WEBVTT - Ep. 352: Bizarre Guests with Andrew Zimmern 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast, coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by First like creating proven, versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.960 every hunt. First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer. Joined today 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.000 by very special guests. Andrew Zimmer hosts the More damn 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.880 Shows than you can shake a stick out shake a 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:48.680 set of tongs. App not all great, though still one 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:50.400 of the guys that works for his Garrett Long he's 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.400 been on the show. He texts me this morning, bumm 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.040 that he couldn't come meet you. He said. We watched 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.800 Andrew Zimmer's Bizarre Foods like some people go to church. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.400 We'll say I think that was a good show that 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.760 was not mentioned that you'd get your special clothes on 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.120 and the family would gather around. That brought the Longs together. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.000 They brought the Longs together, creator, executive producer and hosts 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.440 of shows including Bizarre Foods franchise and Travel Channel Driven 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.959 by Food, I mean, winning the Zimmering List, Family Dinner, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:26.200 What's Eating America from MSNBC and this year it's the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.480 premiere of his newest show, Wild Game Kitchen on the 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.880 Outdoor Channel hitting the air waves. People still say that 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:40.679 is it still air waves? I'd go with it. What 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.480 I what I call my phone my telephone, and people like, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:47.440 why do you say that? It's your phone hitting the airwaves? 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:53.080 September nine. Also four books, The Bizarre Truth and Andrew 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.720 Zimmern's Bizarre World of Food, Andrew Zimmern's Field Guide to 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.200 exceptionally Weird, wild and Wonderful Food. And here's an unexpected 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:06.040 one Alliance of World Traveler's Volume one A Z in 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.000 the Lost City of oh Fear. Hit me with that 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.840 real quick. I used to make up stories to put 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.360 my kid to sleep, and I finally well at the 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:21.280 time one and I, I just finally said, there's nothing 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.280 in the eight to twelve year old space for kids. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.080 There's a really good cardboard books, I mean for anny, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.920 dad's or moms out there. Yeah, I mean, you know, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.360 inky Stinky Caterpillar and you know ye, there's just a 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.560 whole bunch of great for little kids. And there's really 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.440 good stuff for twelve thirteen and up, but there's there's 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.519 a missing chunk. I think that was underestimating what eight 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.200 to twelve, eight to thirteen year olds could read. So 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.359 I made a kid's book and it's the to this, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.320 I mean one a lot of awards, and then you 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.480 can't sell the second one because that age group fell out, 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.720 somehow fell out of favor because they're all reading stuff 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.440 on their computers or their telephones. So you did you 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.480 intend to go many volumes? I wanted to. I still 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.560 want to. I will. I'll force my way into something. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.960 I'll figure it out. Yeah, that's cool, though, I'm gonna 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.000 get a copy of that. I have to right now. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.000 The land right in that zone. Oh my god, they'd 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.720 love it. It's a it's an adventure time traveling tale 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.680 with the greatest premise ever. There's a strange uncle Arthur, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.040 who is the works at the British Museum in London 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:35.680 and yet lives in this old Victorian mansion in in St. Paul, Minnesota. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.400 And uh he has his near Dowell kid who's basically me, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.720 can't do anything right. Uh, doesn't have a lot of 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:49.640 self esteem. He's a total mess and pure in the 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:55.400 kids book, but I wanted kids. Here was the thing. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.640 I wanted kids. That was the whole point to relate 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.200 to because that's how the kids are feeling, right, So 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.240 I wanted to put in real kids with real feelings 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:08.640 and real kid characters. And so little Lazy sneaks his 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.920 way on board. Uh his uncle's playing unbeknownst to the uncle, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.919 and sneaks with him, just kind of creeps behind and 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.279 gets into the British Museum and he's found out and 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.480 his uncle banishes him to the office uh that he has, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.920 and the kid pulls out one of those old um 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.440 picture viewers where you slide the picture into the tube 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.800 and hold it up to the light. And it's a 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.039 time traveling device and the uncle is trying to hide 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.839 it in plain sight, and he goes back to ancient Egypt. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.279 But as the time traveling thing is happening, a whole 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.640 bunch of people rushing to the office and he is 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.480 sent back to ancient Egypt with three or four other 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.520 kids he doesn't know. And then the evil villains also 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.520 make their way back there. And it's like Indiana Jones, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.039 just cliffhanger every chapter as they hurdle their way to 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.120 the exciting finish where they saved the world. Great man, Yeah, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:13.680 it's good for sale. Uh, yes, I guarantee if you 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 put it, put it this way, I will send you 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.840 one perfect Oh. I got one more question for you, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.960 right quick? Two questions for you. The T shirt? Yeah, 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:29.880 peace in America? Yeah, thank you. Um. The second question 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.760 is are you super scared? I think you'll do pretty 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.680 good at trivia. You know you're playing trivia with us. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.560 I heard about that afterwards. Um. I don't think you'll win, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.000 but I think you're good. Here's here's the great thing 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.279 I think you'll do. Here's here's here's the great thing. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:45.839 I was talking about this with someone else, say they 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.760 do on a different subject. At a certain point in 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:53.000 your life, if you have lived, if you have if 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.200 you have subscribed to whatever you believe right living is, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.280 and you've started to live by a certain set of principles, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.040 I mean really live by them. You make mistakes all 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.640 the time, because you're a human being. We all make mistakes. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.040 We all have a lot of messy issues in our lives. 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:09.919 We all have a lot of things that are private 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.360 that we're not good at, you know. But if you 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.960 live by a certain set of principles, you develop enough 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.919 self esteem that really you're not scared of anything. So 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.920 if you fail at something, it's it's unimportant. It doesn't 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.720 matter to me if I didn't answer any of them. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.760 Not I it's not just when it's I don't care, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.760 if I don't care if I embarrassed. I don't care 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.279 if I embarrass myself anymore. But you have you have 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:40.080 a professional amount of of pride and expertise on the 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:47.400 line if we're playing an outdoors based trivia or a game. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.039 Is that a nice way of saying Steve as a 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.240 fragile ego. No, it's it's a it's a nice way. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.120 It's a nice way of saying, there's more pressure on 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.000 you guys, Like if I want to okay, let's say 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.839 I was to go. Let's say Andrew has a show 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:07.160 and they have a culinary uh world culinary trivia show. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.920 You might do pretty good. Well I go on the show. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.800 He would probably say to me, I think you'll do okay. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.040 I don't think you'll win, right, I think you'll get 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:16.920 a three or four. I don't know that. Andrew would 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.400 say that he's nicer than you. Stay. Oh, I'm trying 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:26.960 to do here, man, I'm just trying to drum up expectations, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.320 trying to drum up, trying to drum up listener. You 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.640 know how like in in world wrestling, like the pro wrestling, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.920 they take like whole Cogan and the other guy and 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.480 they have like the meeting before to promote the thing. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:44.600 That's all I'm trying to. Let me tell you, that's 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.960 trying to me is no longer with us. And I 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:54.600 grew up watching through the years, through the years. It's uh, 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.040 I love wrestling. When I was a little, little little kid, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.840 you had to buy the magazines and then wait a 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.040 week till Saturday and and watch pro wrestling. Remember do 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.960 you remember having I remember having honest to God debates 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.720 with kids when I was like in elementary school about 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.520 whether it was real or not. I'm not buying it, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.600 you mean, what do you mean? It was very real 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.040 to me for a very long time until I started 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.240 to see you know, like the the and me no 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.880 disrespect to little people. But the minute they put in 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.240 like at the time they called them midgets right and 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.679 you know, Skilo Low and little Beaver, and I realized, Okay, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.520 this is not only disrespectful to little people. It may 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.359 just struck me as being wrong, but it's also disrespectful 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.720 to native Like the whole thing kind of struck me, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.640 is is not right? And then I started to sniff 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.960 things out and then I was like now, and it 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.640 started dawn on me at age like eleven twelve that 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.920 my love of the sport needed to change a little bit. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.720 And it and it and it did. But it still 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.600 didn't mean that I wasn't obsessed with Milmascarris coming off 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.760 the top rope. Well maybe after the trivia thing, you 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.160 pro Russell. I love it. I'll get a folding chair. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:19.480 I've done it, have done, have you? Oh my god? 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.600 But most funny, once in a a while there's a wrestling 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.120 match on, like a video shoot. Yeah, yeah, I like 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.640 doing it. Here's a thinker for you guys, all you 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.840 listeners out there. Hack saw Jim Dugan. He got to 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.480 bring a two by four into the arena because he 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:45.760 incorporated would into his name. Basically, that's all I could 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:53.200 figure out. Called me Stevie, Blade, called me Brody the 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.480 taser for the meat you could bring like a big 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:02.120 Tomahawks steak. Probably podcast uh. Duck Lore season two is 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.320 out now, tell him sean yep. Duck Lore season two, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.080 which was kind of the back half of last Waterfowl season, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.959 first episode out right now is on the Great Salt Lake, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:17.360 which is pretty wild. Um. Yeah, duck lawers out and 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.800 along with that the new First Light waterfowl gear yeah, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.760 which is tight. Yeah, well it's tight, but it's Tyfa 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:29.120 Tyfa which is a genus for cat tails. Great name 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.520 man um. So First Light Tifa has launched. I know. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.880 This is the first of two waterfowl like, two collections 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.080 of waterfowl material that will be coming out from First 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.440 Light um meaning like the entire collection Ralph the top 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.319 comes out in two batches. So right now, only certain 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.360 styles are out for purchase, but you'll see a lot 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.520 of that stuff if you watch duck Lore, Yep, you 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.840 see a lot of gear. Phenomenal, phenomenal stuff. I love it. Um. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.000 Certain styles arevailable for purchase right now. Other styles because 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.920 an available at a later time. Here's what you got now, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.680 the Landing Zone jacket, the Tundra net Gator which is sweet, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:13.240 three new beanies, and the coal ab collection with tangle free. Yeah. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.160 That's all that's of the new styles, right and then 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.440 we've got a bunch of the you know, existing product 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.320 like the Catalyst and all the wool and all that, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.960 and so there's yeah, it's obviously all kinds of crossover stuff, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.800 other kinds of First Light apparel that crosses over real well, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.520 so um, you know, there's a bunch of Marino. There's 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.120 the Origin hoodie which I have in Typhon. I've had 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.200 that for a long time, Catalyst Vast Catalyst jacket, Catalyst paint, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:44.439 leafy jacket, Uncle Pagret two point oh all out now 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.000 in the type of pattern. And then more of the 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.800 First Light Waterfowl line, which is like a great collection 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.240 they've got through. I mean just keep getting better and 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.640 better stuff coming all the time. And so check all 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.400 that stuff out now and hopefully by by Waterfowl the 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.960 rest of the dry yeah, yeah, and and in duck 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.559 Lor along with the duck Lower launch will have some 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.560 videos and stuff on the Mediata website, like getting into 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.000 the like the conditions I'm wearing each piece in and 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.439 kind of talking about some of the features of these jackets. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:22.360 There's some like ridiculous thinking that went into these even 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.400 like one specific feature, right is the casting stripe on 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.240 the underside of the arms for casting your dog. Little 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.319 things like that. We break down why all these pieces 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.480 are the way they are, what's casting sorry, casting stripe 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.200 is for casting your dog on hand signals right, for 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.000 for directing your dogs. Underside of your arm is a 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.400 visible bar. So when you're telling your dog, like Cal's 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.640 super dog, you to point, snap, yell like what that 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.040 what do you yelling? You can tell them a direction 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.640 over and that's dog stops or that dog will run 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.400 out and be kind of lost her minute. He's like 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.640 stops and stares at Cal. Cal does the hand signal, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.480 points his arm, what way it goes, and that's something. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.360 It goes in that direction, which happens to be like 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:13.360 the best feeling is the best tool. What color is that? 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.520 I mean, is it like just so they can see it? Good? Yeah, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.800 because you know that type. I mean, it's kind of 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.480 funny when you think about it. The whole point of 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.199 the jackets to be camo and then you're standing again 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.559 and the dogs like where the hell is he? Yeah, well, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.439 so under the arm there's black. Hold your arm out 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.040 and you got like a directional bar. Further the dog 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.720 gets away, the bigger you need to become. Typically if 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.760 you gotta do the hand signals. Yeah, dude, there's nothing 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.640 worse than most dogs. But like nothing worse than most dogs. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.480 But the dogs that are dialed are just cool. Man. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.920 We're gonna have a bunch of dial dogs her rubies 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.440 kicking butt. How's your dog doing, Sean Cases doing well. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:57.880 I don't want to jinx it right because a guy 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:06.959 that talks up his dog a dog, I'm happy, never 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.719 talked about your own dog, never talked dog. I'm considering 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:17.480 training my first dog. Persistency. That's that's the whole, that's 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.520 the whole thing. I think I have the time now 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.239 and I think I finally have the dog, and I'm 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:28.600 super super excited about it. It's a Lagatta Romanolo. It's 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:33.440 an Italian water dog. But did those have like the white? 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.840 But it's very good, very good. But you are good 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:47.400 at trivia. But she's she is, believe me. As the 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.680 only sixty one year old New York City Jew at 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.920 the table, I figured it had to be something right on. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.000 But the I finally have the dog that as a 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.200 she's five months old, but she she's kind of a natural. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.280 So just slowly doing stuff with her at the house. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.880 I broke my leg and fractured my ankle in April, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.640 so I've had a lot of time. And it was 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.120 the day she arrived. She was actually the cause of 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:19.280 me slipping falling and was chasing out the house. And 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.400 so there's a bond between the shot and well, this 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.360 is what I think is the spiritual pay. I think 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.680 the universe is like I saved her, uh, which is 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.560 how I see it. And uh, then did my suffering, 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.880 my forty years in the desert for her and now 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.560 exactly and now she is going to pay it back 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.600 to me. And but this this dog will like at 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.240 a very young age, will obey commands and roots out 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.760 stuff that is unbelievable to me, where her older brother, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:16:00.160 same parents a year apart is completely inefficient, fantastic to 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.720 couch dog. But that's where it ends with Luca Clemmy 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:09.000 the exact opposite. Yeah, you know, like pro trainers that 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.560 are that are then a lot of dogs under under 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.360 their watch. A lot of times it averages out to 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.520 like twenty minutes a day of of of real training. Uh. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.560 And then there's a lot of fundamentals that other folks 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.640 will jump in there on. So I mean twenty minutes 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.960 a day and then the constant reinforcement of just the 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.440 normal good behavior set stay come yep, I mean it's 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.120 not asking that much of your time, and she wants 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.040 when I say natural is I've never done this before, 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.080 but I'm starting to study it. And and she will 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.840 go anything that moves in the backgroud. She doesn't go 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.000 right after it right away, but she kind of stays 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.040 and watches it. And if if you see her watching something, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.800 it's an animal. When we live way out in the 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.680 country in Minnesota, and so there's tons of stuff out 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.440 there for her, and the only thing that she's obsessed 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.400 right now with actually going after that. We've taught her 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.280 very quickly not to eat our frogs because they come 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.679 up out of the lake and they're breeding, and she 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.080 sees these little things in the grass, especially at night 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.520 when it's hot, and they come out, and she's just 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.600 like going nuts. It's like, stop eating the frogs. But 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.760 she's she's got that down. So I'm like, I have 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.280 I have faith in her. I just you know, we 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.800 my life there in terms of local you know, hunting 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.000 is you know, duck, geese, pheasants, and grouse. That's it. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.720 And well, you know, if that's all you have, that's 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:41.800 all we have. Just yet the things I love too, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.719 hopefully I can because to share that with the dog 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.000 is THEO. I was getting back to your point about 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.840 that moment where in the field, and it's an important moment, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.000 and it happens and it works out is an unbelievable 0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:00.080 symbiotic relationship. And shut up. Very fulfilling, keeps us going on. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.679 I got a hot tip for parents. You know, Brody, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.280 we should have put this in the Outdoor Kids in 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.880 an Inside World book. You know, I was gonna mention 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:09.800 that book when he was talking about eight to twelve 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.440 year old. So we're writing a book for those kids too. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.560 We wrote a book about kids, and now I write 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.840 aboot four kids, the book about kids, Outdoor Kids in 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.800 an Inside World, which is great. I wish we had 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.159 I redecked my snowbill trailer. So I took the old 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.960 rot and plywood off and putting new plywood down and 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.720 found some good leaned him up against the garden fence. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.840 And that inspired me to go dig out the ninja 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.359 throwing stars, which we hadn't used in a while. Man, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.520 if you got kids, give him some ninja throwing stars, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.879 teach them how to makes ninja. Yeah, well, the Chinese 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.760 throwing stars. I have no idea why they must have 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.560 said China stamped in market, but let me give you 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.000 a tip when you go to buy one. Yeah, I 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.080 was showing my kid how a real ninja holds him 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.879 last night. I ad, it's hard to throw a real ninja. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.440 He's like, are the real ninjas. I'm like, yeah, dude, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.000 they were like assassins and burglars years ago. So it's 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.760 starting to really doubt Karen's martial arts credit. I mean, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:19.280 you don't know what's throwing stars na accent. My wife 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:25.240 calls it that multi prong throwing. So all. They're fun, 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.840 but I don't like Amazon doesn't sell them. I think 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.520 like safety concerns. We used to make them in shop, 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:36.200 I know, but they're no good. You know. That's that's 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.840 what's up next for him. The gaslene powered sharp thing. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.480 Good for your kids. These dude, they love throwing stars. Uh. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.399 But there's a couple of things you gotta go to. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.840 You gotta go to ninja supply houses. You can't you 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.600 can't get them go to a ninja supply ninja supply 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.840 get suckered into the four prongs. That's that's no. You 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.560 need like a six P seven. And then I took 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.879 I took an angle grinder and finally honed the prongs 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.639 on those throwing stars. And then I took blaze orange 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.560 paint because they go yeah off never never Land. So 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.840 I blaze orange painted him, honed him up with an 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.080 angle grinder, and then you know those old rotten sheets 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.800 apply would do hours of fun, hours of fun. Sounds 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:29.240 pretty good. I remember from a ninja movie they did 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.800 like a train. The ninjas. They take like a string 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.159 and tie like a washer on it and let it 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.040 swing in front of the target. And you gotta get 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:42.159 so good that you can flop pin the string to 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.600 the board. You know what I never bought in those movies, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.760 even as a kid, was like a ninja would he 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.359 would throw your brain paint like hit you in the 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.000 chest and the guy would just fall over dead, stone cold. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:21:01.400 If you more like you were like for because more 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.760 what you would say? If ye just my ninja star? 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:11.640 Are you? Are you nuts? So much fun? Um? Oh 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.040 the James Webb. This stuff is like I can't be 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.800 looking at James Webb telescope. We'll put that on my 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.439 radar the other day. I can't we looked this morning 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.760 at the one. It ruins your whole day. So well, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.840 those those first deep space ones from Hubble. However, many 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.040 years ago, the first time I saw that, I had 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.080 like my first real existential moment, like dizzy and almost 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.320 passed out, just like I didn't think of the vastness 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.600 of the universe. I woke up being proud that I 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.080 remember it was my anniversary. So I'm just laying there, 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.080 my wife still sleeping. I was laying there being like, 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:51.040 I am gonna rap by saying happy anniversary. Then I'm like, God, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.560 I hope you don't forget it sleeps much longer. You're like, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.520 just but I missed her birthday twice, which just still 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.880 haunts me. So I don't know if I've ever forgotten 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.120 that anniversary. One day, we got the day wrong, went 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.040 out to dinner, didn't realize until later that was the 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:12.040 wrong day, but I remembered anyways, And then when she 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:16.359 woke up, we're looking at the James Web Space telescope things, 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:24.399 and there's that like deep field photo thousands of galaxies. Okay, 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:29.359 so that like some of them being like the Sun's 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.439 light takes is eight or thirteen minutes to get here. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:36.120 The Sun's light takes eight minutes to get here. Galaxies 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:43.360 that are two hundred and ninety light years away. So 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.080 if you turned on a flashlight on one of them planets, 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.280 the light would get here in two hundred and ninety years. 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:52.240 If you turned on the light at the Sun, it 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.879 would be here in eight minutes. There are I'm not 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.520 saying there's dude sitting around writing books and whatnot. There 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:06.280 are definitely things more planets than there are grains of 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.440 sand on Earth. And then what is all that ship 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.040 doing out there? That's what I don't like to think of. Yeah, 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.879 it's just too much. Gasoline is expensive, and then you 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.280 see that picture. It doesn't matter. There are many different 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.840 types of measuring contests in this world, and the uh 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:29.520 the headline that made me laugh thinking about this measuring 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:34.680 contest that we put ourselves in is uh first pictures 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:41.120 with web telescope, like deepest view of space ever recorded, 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.639 like very first ones. And I just imagined that there 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.320 was somebody sitting around being like I told you, so, 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:53.080 I told you there's no way, no way that we 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:58.359 are in aimless rock hurdling nowhere, doing nothing, circling an 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.679 average of the Our son is a G two star, right, 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:06.159 the most average of all types of stars. So to 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:12.720 think that of all these billions trillions of we just don't. 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:19.480 The vastness is unbelievable, right, because that's more that we're 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:24.359 the only one that is supporting life is ludicrous. Yeah, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.639 you're right, but ludicrous. I think I've sewn this up 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:27.960 for and I don't want to take too much time 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:31.640 on it. But you know the physiologists Jared Diamond, it's 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.440 kind of a white whale for this podcast never did 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.640 get him on do we No, I should circle back. 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.520 I just bought a bunch of his books, The New 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:45.320 White Whales Ron. I've tried to go through high level, 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.640 high level contacts and can't get a call back from 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:53.439 Ron to santis and then Jared Jared Diamond. So in 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.840 his book about human history, he in the and he 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.040 talks about what about other people coming and hanging out? 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.119 And he gets to this interesting idea, uh that like 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.840 if you imagine the Earth's the way he describes it, 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:11.639 if you imagine the Earth timeline as your arms spread out. Okay, 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.840 so the Earth timeline is fingertip a fingertip, you could 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.640 remove human history with one stroke of a nail file. 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.359 That's actually John McPhee observation. But that's what human history 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.560 is so as long as the Earth's been here, human 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.800 history is a stroke of a nail file, and then 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.639 you can take that off the timeline. So when he 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.960 gets into is this idea that like, if you have 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:37.240 a four billion year old planet, okay, and you have 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.399 a human history, that's the stroke of a nail file, 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:44.240 and then those people can transmit electronic signals for a 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:50.960 couple hundred years. You're talking about a tremendous coincidence for 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:56.200 other planets to sort of like launch a life form 0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.160 that becomes where it has aspiration similar to ours. Then 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:05.560 it's particular timeline and it's aspirations and it's technological capabilities 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.200 somehow coincide with ours. It's not like is it out there, 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.520 but it's like where is it in their time? Like 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.000 where is it? And and does all things go in 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.600 this direction? That's where it becomes even more fascinating, and 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.440 that's where it starts to narrow itself down a little bit. 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:26.160 But in so many zillions quadrillions of opportunities, right, but 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.199 just the idea of life on another planet, even a 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.520 life form that may not be able to communicate with 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.480 us because of their timeline, Because it's like the most 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.480 advancing is the earthworm. There's stuff or whatever. There's stuff 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.640 out there. There is stuff out there well. And then 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.080 also going back to your original point, like consider that 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.840 maybe there does come the day that we do finally 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.679 get that transmission, but it came from so far away 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.000 that that civilization they don't exist anymore, that's right there, 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.360 long since gone. So they sent it, and then it's 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:59.280 to send it at their height, and then they're gone, yeah, 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.800 we're gonna be like, and we think so highly of 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.959 ourselves that transmission will come in with like a word misspelled, 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:12.160 and we'll be like, that might be that's a that's 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.040 a future show for you, man. Planet. We're still trying 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:20.160 to figure out. We're still trying to figure out how 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:26.200 to feed our populations, whether it's for people for astronauts 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:31.000 or you know, feeding people for deep space exploration is 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.480 now the really big question mark. And it's fascinating being 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.639 around scientists down in in Houston or Florida at our 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:45.760 Space Centers California, at the different jet propulsion laboratory facilities. 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.520 And I've had the opportunity to be with some of 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:52.760 these food scientists who are so insanely smart and just 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.960 just the the engineering to feed people for a deep 0:27:56.000 --> 0:28:00.800 space trip nutritive food that stays nutritive, right, because the 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.040 current way we feed our astronauts it becomes non nutritive. 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.440 And so you know, how do you grow sustain our 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.719 own life on these deep space voyages is something that 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.160 my brain just starts to fizzle out on. But it's 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.000 fascinating to me. Have they watched that Matt Damon movie, Well, 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.800 that's the whole figure out, that's the big jo, right 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:27.280 that was I saw it and it was like, you know, 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.960 it was like, yeah, we've all heard that. Our kids 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:35.960 tell us that I was. I can't member who was 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.520 with us? Oh you were? Yeah, Cridinal was there. Um 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.080 when we went a few months ago, we went to 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.440 we had dinner with Rogan and want to watch his 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.720 like I hope not like blowing something for him because 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.320 he's like developing a news show because anyways he's talking 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.680 about someone was he's with someone who's explaining like the 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.640 intricacies of getting people to Mars and all this ship 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.560 and he says, but the whole time the person's explained, 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.440 the man he's just thinking how there's three people. He's like, 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.720 what if one of those guys brings a pistol and 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:14.480 shoots the other two. It was like it was like 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.880 one off one has a pistol and shoots one of 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.920 them and then himself, and then you're like after they launched, 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:35.520 So he's like some nomatters check them for guns. Oh, 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.040 here's a good one. We've covered this bunch, but I 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.800 want to talk about again Mountain Lions in Connecticut. Speaking 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:44.760 of mysteries, this is mysterious. You think other planets are mysterious. 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.360 This guy's riled up. So he's got he's got people 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.160 broken into two kinds of people. It's it's it's actually 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.760 not a dude, it's a it's a gal. He's maybe 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:57.080 one of ten audience members. So one of the ten 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:02.600 women listens to the show wrote in and she uh 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:04.840 um this time about there's two kinds of people on 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.040 this planet. I think there's two kinds of people. There's 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:12.080 people that divide people into two kinds of people. Uh. 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.840 But she's got it that there's two distinct camps. There's 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.920 mountain lion believers, Mountain lion deniers, two kinds of Connecticut. 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.000 That's it. There's no one in the middle. It's like 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:27.760 I think It's like that everywhere to the Mississippi's people 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.840 who do not know what a mountain lion is, people 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.440 who don't give a ship like the category they fall in. 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.520 So there's mountain lion truthers, those that believe mountain lions 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.600 have an established breeding population statewide, but listen to the terminology, 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.440 because I want the listener to listen to the terminology 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.560 that she is using. Okay, those that believe mountain lions 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:56.880 have an established breeding population state wide in Connecticut. I 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.560 think that, like, I'm gonna get into the primary question, 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.000 but I'm asking her to listen to what she's saying, 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:11.480 established breeding population statewide. And mountain lion deniers those that 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:17.040 believe there is no established breeding population and the annual 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:21.040 lion sightings are a result of people's inability to distinguish 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.200 a bobcat from a lion. Goes on to state there's 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.400 a recent high profile sighting and a face post Facebook 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.640 post made by the Woodbridge p D acknowledging the sighting. 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.720 So it's police department hasn't happened a while. It's called 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.600 it's quite a stir based on the fact I'm quoting 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.400 and summarizing in a mix of quotes and summarizations based 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.960 on the fact that these sightings have never been substantiated 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.760 by any photos or tracks. Our Wildlife Division insists that 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:54.920 there is no established breeding population. With so many sightings 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.160 and so many locals of all kinds of lion stories, 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.320 you think that in the age of the smartphone eighty 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.200 by thousands trailer This is more from the non people 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:11.360 saying smartphones trail cams. You'd catch one um every hunting 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.640 and agriculture facebook pages talking about this new sighting. One 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.400 look through the comments section will show how divided we 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.680 are on this issue. Goes on to say, my main 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:26.120 question for the lion truthers is if lions really are 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.760 breeding here, why does the Department of Energy and Environmental 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:37.080 Protection deny their presence. What kind of secret, hidden agenda 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:42.240 does our underfunded, understaffed, and disorganized little Wildlife division have. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.440 She's saying, maybe they just want to keep all the 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.680 lions of themselves. Maybe they respond to sightings by going 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.080 out at night, trapping the lions and bringing them to 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:58.080 their secret underground lion facility for secret testing. I would 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.200 love to hear you discussion. I love how that took 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.240 a hard turn into conspiracy theory. No, No, I think 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.400 she's saying, like, what if it's a common thing, you'll 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.440 commonly like in all these states where this happens, you'll 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.440 commonly here that like like all the time, Oh, fishing 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.680 game knows they're here. They don't want to admit it. 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:17.600 There's a lit like I want to tackle that from 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.400 it because there is a little bit of of a 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:25.880 validity too. Um. There are issues at play for states 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:30.959 to deny they have populations because and this is not conspiracy, 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.040 just like a thing, there's a there's a there's a 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.000 chance where remember recently, there was a there was a 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:42.680 bill to try to declare um it was it was 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:46.040 an e s a deal. It was like it would 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.160 be that if there was a Eastern cougar, if there 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.960 was an Eastern cougar, um, it would be a it 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.800 would be a dead ringer for Endangered Species Act protection. Okay, 0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.920 so there is a little like not quite conspiracy theory 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.840 at for state agencies to come out and say, yes, 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:10.800 we have a very small um at risk breeding population 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.759 of a native large cat, there would probably be a 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.920 conversation about, well, what are you going to do to 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:25.160 protect that naturally recovered naturally occurring populations and that has 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.080 it would have all kinds of implications that has to 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.600 manage land and other animals. They're gonna be like, what's 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.239 your management plan, right, what's your recovery plan? Okay, so 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.480 there is a foot there is a understandable foot dragging 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.960 on the part of people just to come out and 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.680 a mountain lane gets hit on the side of the 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.239 road and for them to be like, Okay, we're gonna 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.319 have a management plan and a recovery plan and there 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.040 naturally right, is that he typt dollars and resources and 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:52.879 all the rest. That's what they'd rather just sweeping under 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.240 the rugs that the point reads look the other direction 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.919 or not like or it's what I here's my take 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.480 on it. I take on it is that, yeah, man, 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.960 there are mountain lions running around, but you have to 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.120 ask yourself, what does it mean to say that you 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:12.480 have an established breeding population. When lions turned up crazy places, 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.080 they're often able to be the you know, through genetic testing. 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.360 They'll be like, it's from a South Dakota Black Hills population, 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:23.400 which which is what happened what several years ago got 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.520 hit on the road, one struck out and did some 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.759 crazy ship just like in Missouri. Um, you know, I 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.759 remember that high profile, somewhat high profile case. A guy 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.080 came home from ball hunting and there was a coyote 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.400 trying to get into his chicken coop. He shoots the coyote. Nope, 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.360 he shot a wolf. From Michigan's up they wander around 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.000 in Missouri. So then does the state of Missouri then say, oh, well, 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.640 let's have a management plan for gray wolves, and then 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.799 five years agoes by. No one ever lays eyes on 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.520 another gray wolf. Oh we we had a case of 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.719 black bear that hopped on a grain barge yep and 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.480 ended up in some place that does not have a 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:05.880 black bear population. I don't care that, yeah, which apparently 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:10.200 is like not totally uncommon brutal the bear, right, Yeah, 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:17.280 they're notorious for wanting to catch free ride somewhere bears exactly. 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.080 That bear gradually almost made his way he wanted to 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.279 get hit, right, but almost made his way to like 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.000 almost ship lucked into a population of black bears in Arkansas, 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:32.840 which would been cool. So it's like, no one. I 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.120 don't know if any serious individual who looks at like 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.520 wildlife politics and wildlife trends. I don't know any serious 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:45.280 individual who doesn't think that legitimate wild born mountain lions 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:51.240 are making their way into the eastern US and showing 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.440 up an unexpected places. And I remember one there was 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.399 one that was hit that had been uh. She had 0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.799 lactated and had like there was evidence that she had 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.960 read produced. She hadn't been de claude right, And no 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.560 doubt in places two of these things are coming together 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:14.239 and reproducing. But um, that isn't the same thing as 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:18.239 an established breeding population that a state would then go 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:24.080 in and have a management plan for. UH said on 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.719 behalf of the folks at deep over there in Connecticut. 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:32.800 I gotta work with with these folks, UH tagging um 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.920 or replacing radio colors on on black bears through the 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.239 NSSF one year and that was super awesome. And these 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:44.640 are just like you find I would say the majority 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.719 of in wildlife agencies and the majority of states that 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:54.520 they're very dedicated in carrying people. My observation is in 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:59.920 the state of Connecticut, your wildlife agency people get very 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:05.319 little time to deal with wildlife because you people that 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.480 have over people the state of Connecticut just keep calling 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.239 it for random crap and they just they don't have 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.600 any time to deal with the animals, but that's what 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.880 they want to do. So but they are dedicated wildlife folks. 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.560 And to Steve's point, you know, we had last year, 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:27.960 the year before, grizz sighting on the Clearwater River drainage 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.600 in Idaho. Now we know for a fact there's grizz 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.640 that trapes through the Panhandle of Idaho often, but there 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.600 is no evidence of an established grizzly population in that area. 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.759 We know there's established grizzly bears in southern Idaho on 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.480 the you know, the g y e population, greater Yellowstone 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:53.040 ecosystem population. And I remember Idaho Fishing Game was getting 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.640 some some crap because they said, yes, we're we're acknowledging 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.320 that there was a sighting of like what is believed 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.480 to be a grizzly air in this drainage. Happened to 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.600 be the second year in a row. They were able 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:08.840 to find tracks that definitely looked like grizzly tracks, and 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.040 they were able to find hair, and then they were 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.360 not going to say this is a grizzly bear until 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.960 they did a DNA analysis on that hair, because as 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:24.719 Steve just said, there's implement there's larger implications for a 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:29.600 state agency to say yep, you're right, because then they 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:34.839 have to change their management to say that this does 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:38.759 exist here, and it has implications on a bunch of 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:43.839 stuff that you know, you're John Q. Fisher folk don't 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:45.480 have to worry about when they say, yeah, I saw 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.080 Grizzy the other day, like almost guaranteed immediate lawsuits too, 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.200 to be like suits like why is it not listed? 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.080 Why have you not fulfilled your management plan? You know, yep, 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:57.600 there should be no bear hunting here because there's a 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.479 chance that a black bear is going to get grizz 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.800 is gonna get mistaken for a black bear, which does happen. 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.800 So I want to tell this Connecticut and what do 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:11.239 they call people from Connecticut? Not Connecticut? Can we can 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.440 we push for that for the Connecticut person. Though, here's 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.600 just the last thing I'll say on this subject. Clay 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.960 had an interesting observation with mountain lions showing up in Arkansas, Okay, 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.320 where it got to be like more trail camp pictures, 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.759 more stuff. Event Arkansas used to have a black bear 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:35.880 biologist one day. One day that biologists became the large 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.680 the state's large carnivore biologists or some such thing like that. 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.359 It was like a very subtle like his per view. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.080 Suddenly his purview expanded right, and it was sort of 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.160 a Clay took it to be a subtle acknowledgement. Clay 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:51.840 Brice took it to be a subtle acknowledgement of the 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:57.560 existence of black panthers, like not just mountain lions, but 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:04.000 black panthers too. Uh on um marching along toward our 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.839 getting back to our conversation with our esteem guest Andrew 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.040 Zimmer and Sean hit Us with the first Case of 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:14.440 Homosexual Necrophelian Mallards. That'd great title for a movie. That 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.080 was a band, Oh, that would be a good band. 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.759 Name is the name of one of Carl's bans exactly. 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.399 It will be by the end of the day. First 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:27.160 case of homosexual necrophilia and Mallards, which is an actual 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:31.200 paper in the what journal was it? Shaan, Okay, Well, 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.160 I don't even know what journal it was in. This guy, 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:43.920 so this guy C. W. Molliker back in recorded Drake 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:48.040 Mallard running into the glass of the what must be 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:52.640 like the Natural History Museum, and he's even gotten pictures 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.280 of it. Here oh yeah he did. He did full 0:41:55.320 --> 0:42:00.600 fledge documentation taking pictures of Cornelius Mullicker. Yeah, he's got 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:05.880 a heck of name. Uh. Drake Mallard clides into the glass, 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:11.960 being chased by another Drake Mallard, falls dead and proceeds 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:19.400 to get bread. Practically for seventy five minutes. Du documents 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.960 the whole thing, takes pictures, collects the carcasses, the whole bit. 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.959 That's an interesting type of academic journal um and there's 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.200 like a there's like people will get journal journal articles 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.360 off just like a crazy observation, yeah, you know, and 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.400 you'll publish like people will publish an observation. And he 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.600 took six years to publish it because he was like, 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.359 I don't know if this is something I really want 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.360 to deal with. And he ended up winning like a 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:50.959 satirical science award. It's called the ig Nobel Prize. That's 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.879 for weird science. The ig Nobel. Oh you know who 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:59.319 won that? Metten as well for his poop knife. It 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.560 seems to me to to add a new definition to 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.759 the term screwed the life out of you. I mean, 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:14.399 that's as now he was. There's a speculation that when 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.840 it collided with the glass. It was engaged in an 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:22.560 attempted rape flight that resulted in the collision because it 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.160 was running away from this other drake, is what he 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:32.200 supposed this ad. Yeah, anybody's watched prison movies knows that 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:36.120 this all makes sense. Well, prison movies lack barbed penises. Yeah, 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:43.319 that's true. Mallard does not. What I like is now 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:47.560 that it's become like a holiday. It's Dead Duck Day 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.839 on June five, and he like him and a bunch 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:57.440 of people go back to the Natural History Museum. Yes, yes, 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.520 and then they pretty much host a vigil and then 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.360 walk to a local Chinese restaurant for a six course 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:10.319 for a six course duck dinner. Wow, yeah, I'm going 0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.040 to that. I need that. I'd want to get it 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.120 on the meal part, but I might sit the vigil out, 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.279 depends on the restaurant. Yeah. He even has like a 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.360 there's pictures of him like giving a speech with a podium, 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.960 the whole bit. He's leave you close at the door. 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.760 I have the vigil now. Yeah. Uh. Fell named Cody 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.200 wrote in on my way home from work, you'll see 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.800 that we're near. We're closing in on your terrain. Attention 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:39.960 pay attention, get ready we start wide. I mean the feeling, 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.920 I don't know, maybe that was I felt super dialed 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:48.960 in when we started talking with the Necrophiliam Mallard. He 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:54.399 thought we were like started the interview. Um, what happened here? 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.920 Oh God named Cody writes my way home from work. 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.239 I was listening to podcast episode three to one Yate 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.840 test my meat, and part of the conversation raised a 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.520 question for me. In your conversation about brining, you guys 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.799 discuss how adding other ingredients into a brine will not 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.360 make the cut of meat take on those flavors. What 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:14.960 I was just saying is when you're mixing up a 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.000 brine and you get into just like things, you're like, 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:22.839 come on, like three peppercorns, I was like, just put 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:24.600 the pepper on, Like it's not you're not. No one's 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.440 gonna taste the one and be like, is there a 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.520 hint of peppercorn? It's just like pepercorn. Yeah, Like it 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:32.920 looks cool on the brine. The Brian looks cool with 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.640 stuff floating in it. But I'm just like, at a 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.600 point there's some things that like there's no way on 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.400 planet Earth even the most finest palette on the World 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:45.239 Taste that there were peppercorns in that brine. The example 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:51.120 this is Cody talking. The example in the podcast was 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.680 including a bay leaf in the Brian My question is 0:45:53.680 --> 0:46:00.520 how is dried one? My question is how is marinading 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.400 meat different? Unless I'm mistaken, soaking meat and the marinade 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.160 will make that meat soak up the flavors of the marinade, 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.879 not the leaf. But based on the brining discussion, I'm 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.800 not wondering if my outlook on marinading meat is wrong. 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:18.680 Can meat actually soak up a marinade? He is wrong? Yeah, 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.120 because it's just explained it. We're talking about you very 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.960 different things, all right. So without going into the minut 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:25.680 shift this because I know I'm the one who throughout 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.240 the whole Baileaf thing. Kevin GILLASTI here, Yeah, Hey, hello everyone. 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:31.799 I know you thought I was Randy Savage earlier, but 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:40.840 the whole time, um man, you're going that Bailey is 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:47.360 gonna work, can't stay off drugs. Let me tell you something, 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.000 this is excellent. I'm doing the rest of the podcast 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.440 in my pseudo Randy Savage. I won't be able to 0:46:55.480 --> 0:47:02.040 talk later. That just grinds your Yeah, um okay, So 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.240 we talked about this. Brining is is a water based solution. 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:08.520 Not a lot of a lot of the things that 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.399 people throw in brine's are not water soluble, so they 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:15.400 won't ever break down in a water based Onions and 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.480 garlic are So that's one of the times when it 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:19.600 actually will work. If you pure up an onion and 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:21.600 you added into your brine, you will get an onion 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:26.759 flavor that penetrates into the meat because your piggyback on 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.520 you travel with the water in the osmotic reaction. Ever 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.560 looked up water in your dictionary, No I have. It 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.319 describes it describes that. One of the parts of the 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.240 description is it describes it as an almost universal solvent 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.840 and grab a dictionary stat um. So here here's the 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.319 deal with the marinating of brinie. There are two different things. 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:54.680 In modern parlance. Marinades imply in acidic liquid, whereas brine 0:47:54.920 --> 0:48:00.120 implies a water based liquid. Good, nice and clean is 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.479 the that's the clean answer for you until you start 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.600 to put acids care into their right and there's and 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:11.960 there is, there's there's a lot of fine subtlety. What 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:19.160 acid based brian water based brian's are very effective because scientifically, 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.120 because the way the chemistry of it works, they work. 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.919 Marinades on the other hands, on the other hand, don't 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.160 really work. Now, it's not to say they won't make 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.640 things taste like something. That's a whole different subjective conversation, 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.440 because well, right, because ship gets on the outside and 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:35.840 you cook it and and of course it's still going 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:37.839 to be there. But they didn't test. A few years ago, 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.560 Cook's Illustrated actually did this, which is a great magazine 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.279 for folks who don't subscribe to it, and they marinated 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.560 meat for eighteen hours and then they tested to see 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.279 what the penetration level of the marinade was, and it's 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.839 it's a fraction, it's millimeters. Well not if you took 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:58.000 a fork and stabbed a million times. So what they did, right, 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.120 So there's mechanical ways that you can, of course inject 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:03.520 something into something, but if you just drop it into 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.279 a liquid, which is what people do, they then took 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.440 it and shaved off like down to the level that 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.239 they could see that the marinade penetrated, cooked them, and 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.239 then blind tasted and people could absolutely not taste the 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.640 difference between something marinated and something not Marka. Here's where 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.560 I'm calling a little bit of bullshit. Okay, here we go. 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.920 Steve likes to call bulls, but I think you should 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:31.320 factor this in. Okay, making cevich by your definition, you're 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:35.439 marinating little teensy pieces of fish. Yeah, we haven't gotten 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:39.719 there yet. There's more to this, So there's levels. Right, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:46.879 So marinades and brine with enough concentration and time will 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:52.279 both transition into curing and pickling the same liquid. And 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.440 that's a whole different thing. So an end pressure, right, 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.799 because you can do it under pressure in a in 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:01.279 a vacuum sealed bag. So when you take something like 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:05.120 sevich at a high enough acid level, you do, in 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.160 fact cause the d naturing of protein. It's sat long enough. 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.200 You've manually made it small enough so that the absorption 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:13.640 level will break, so that little one eighth inch of 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.840 penetration coming from four sides is meeting in the middle. Correct. 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:20.760 There you go, Especially on a small cut of fish. Again, 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.120 you have to consider that the protein structure of fish 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.800 is different than land mammals, than than than meat. It 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.400 is different than vegetables. Marinating vegetables is very effective because 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.959 the cellular structure of a vegetable is very different than 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.080 than a piece of protein. And so when you go 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:37.920 in and you say it works versus it doesn't work, 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:39.759 that's where you get into the slippery slope, because they 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.399 all work. It's just are they doing what you think 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.360 they are doing. And so most people marinate for two reasons, 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.880 either to make something more tender or to make something 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:51.120 taste different. And if you're talking tenderness, it doesn't really 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.280 work because the acid really just d natures the protein 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.040 on the outside. It makes it mushy, but it doesn't 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:59.239 really make it more tender. Like in the objective using 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.560 the Werner Ratzler machine, we wouldn't have a more tender 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:07.440 piece of meat. If you're talking taste, of course it can, 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:09.719 but does it get to the center of the meat? 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:11.960 Does it penetrate all the way down? Absolutely not. It 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.200 does count the outside with something, and if that something 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.240 is viscous enough that it will stay put on the outside, 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.120 then of course it can affect. And let me just 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:23.359 jump in here and say what confuses a lot of 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:28.360 people is the fact that then after those processes happen, 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:34.280 what the the cook does with it then also affects 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.759 the outcome and I'll give the most simple explanation in 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.280 the whole world when you talk when you talk about 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:44.719 actually changing texture and flavor, uh live culture, yogurt marinades 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:49.240 on tan dourry chicken, if you're eating it in India 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.080 or somewhere where someone actually has the expertise to have 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.560 done this. I have friends who have come back and said, 0:51:54.560 --> 0:52:00.200 I have experienced the taste and texture breakdown, and that 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.440 is the because of the way they butcher, for example, 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:08.160 their poultry. They will butterfly chicken legs right cut down 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:11.040 to the bone on one end, flap the pieces open, 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:15.520 thereby making it a half inch thick piece of meat 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:20.120 instead of a three or four inch in circumference piece 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:24.040 of meat right with me. And therefore that yogurt and 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.839 those spices will because they do it for twenty four 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.799 thirty six hours, will penetrate it, and the turmeric that's 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.239 in there will change the color, and on and on 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.440 and on, and then they fire roast it. But because 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.719 it's a smaller width of chicken, it's only in that 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:46.279 nine degree tandor for seven eight minutes. So consequently a 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.160 lot of that yogurt marinade is left behind. But the 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:53.200 yogurt actually does its job denaturing that protein, and so 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.480 there are outliers like that that confuse the piss at 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.160 it right, like something like the one that I always 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.400 used for people that they might not know this dishes 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.640 shash leek, the like the Eastern European kebab. You see 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.600 it in Russia, Ukram in places like that. So there 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:09.000 are people that don't write um, but it's a perfect 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.719 example of sash leek. It's where marinade and brine kind 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.920 of crossover because you end up with a watery, onion 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.840 based like you blend up onions to make the liquid. 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.440 Then you add some sort of dairy it's usually what 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:25.000 we would call sour cream. It's not exactly sour cream, 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:28.240 but a dairy based liquid that has then acid in it. 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:32.000 But it does actually affect it because you will get 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.000 that osmotic water transfer so to pull the onion into 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.480 it while simultaneously getting a little bit of tenderizing effect 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.759 from that lactic acid on the outside. And again the 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.080 meat is cut very small. It's not only cut small, 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:48.280 it's cut in a manner that exposes that internal muscle structure, 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:50.840 so it's taking away some of the effort that the 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.440 marinade would actually have to go through Kosh or either no, no, 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.080 it's not. I don't think that's ever been factored in, 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:01.759 particularly based on my historical knowledge of the region. Well 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:08.000 rabbinical traditions, states um, So to answer that dude's question, 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.600 and actually, you know what we are filming tomorrow. We 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.360 are filming a brining one oh one video for the 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.520 Meat Eater website that we're gonna because of how many 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.759 people right in with these questions. We're not gonna go 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.360 ultra deep. If people watch it and we get good response, 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.520 I'll do a one oh two. We'll keep going gallant. 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:28.040 But we're gonna help people understand why you would do it, 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.359 how you do it, and really in this one, it's 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.719 just generalized to meet and fish and what parts of 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.480 silly yeah, and what doesn't make any sense, and stop 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.440 wasting your time and money. Frankly, because I've watched people 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:43.560 make elaborate turkey Brian's for Thanksgiving that include ingredients. Look 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.280 like I've brined mine with a little bit of shaved truffle. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.480 You're like, we could have just taken it outside and 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.480 thrown it in on the ground. Martha Stewart on very 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:55.600 popular recipes. Is the twenty dollar turkey Brian, Yeah, that 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:59.920 has a you know, fifteen dollar bottle of the worst demeanor, 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.200 you know. Yeah, And it's just like people are wasting 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.200 their time and money. If you want those flavors, you 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.560 can accomplish it. But as you said to your points 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.640 to three, malvar peppercorns are not going to make their way. 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:18.840 After Martha Stewart got in trouble for Inside of Trading Um, 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.920 she was profiled in the New Yorker and there's always 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.880 something that broke my heart. And the end the writer 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.239 is there was you know, people like really jumped on 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.480 Martha Stewart. She went like, just people are always kind 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.120 of looking for like a chink in the armor. So 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:36.879 also every like hated Mark Stewart. And she's eating lunch. 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.080 She cooked the chicken dish. She's eating lunch with the 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:45.040 journalist and they're eating it with chopsticks, and the journalist 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:49.240 comments on the chopstick, and Martha Stewart said, I read 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:53.560 somewhere that thinner chopsticks, the thinner the chopstick, the more 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:58.759 elegant the chopstick is, right, senmy use like silverware for 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:01.920 us to demonstrate elegan, so she said, So I went 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:05.680 out and bought the thinnest chopsticks I could find, And 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:15.600 I think that's why people hate me. It's an incredible 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.480 comment on her and I've I've had the I've known 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:24.600 her since I was a teenager, and uh, the phases 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:28.200 of her life are incredible. The thing that impresses me 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.799 the most about Martha, all the food stuff aside, is 0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:36.239 to be a single mom. Uh, to realize that you 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:38.800 that you are not going to get any support from 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:43.640 your ex, the father of your your child. You were 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.480 going to then establish a catering company out of your home, 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.760 and then that morphs into everything that she had built 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:54.080 up into the point of the insider trading situation. She 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.600 has then removed as the head of her company. Right, 0:56:57.719 --> 0:56:59.719 still owns a piece of it. Blah blah. I mean, 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:01.920 you know, don't cry for me, Argentina, Right, I mean 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:07.319 she but but essentially removed does her time in the 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:12.799 stir without saying anything about anyone like does does the 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.600 time And I do not care if it's a country club, 0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.000 prison or not. You were in you were in a 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.880 prison environment. I don't want to be I'm sorry. Nobody 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.320 wants to having been in those plays, nobody wants to 0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:26.360 be there. And then she comes out and over the 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:30.240 course of the last twenty three years since that happened, 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:34.640 twenty years since that happened, has now come back bigger, stronger, 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:38.520 and better than ever. The woman is an incredible force, 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:42.680 and at eighty years old, the most recent interview that 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:46.600 I just saw here is still complaining about what What 0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:49.600 did she say? Most recently, the men that I want 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.280 to date, who are the most attractive to me are 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:55.080 usually already taken, and they're the husbands of my friends. 0:57:55.360 --> 0:58:00.280 Is it bad to wish them dead? Ah? I she 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.880 was trying to make a joke about about it, But 0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:05.720 I mean this, this woman, I haven't I have a 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:10.320 lot of it is I have a lot of respect 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:13.880 for Mark Chopstick comments aside, because that is why people 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.480 came there. There was a time in her life where 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.080 she was creating tablescapes that no one in the world 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:22.360 would ever consider reasonable or have the time to do 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:25.120 except her three or four friends and my stepmom. Correct, 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.960 And that was that was her audience, and there was 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:32.440 nothing It was aspirational. It was an aspirational time, and 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:37.480 it was the world so tiny post prison. Martha Stewart 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:42.520 is like Universal and and Giant Age Range and she's roasting. 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:52.680 She hangs out, I'm a Martha Stewart and Kevin Kevin is, 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.520 and Kevin will back me up on this when when 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.520 when people come to me and say, what are the 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:01.400 I'm just learning to cook? But the how two books 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.400 bore me. I want something that's simple recipes that are 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:08.520 like tested and retested five thousand times and are guaranteed 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:11.440 to work. And I refer them to a line of 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:15.280 small magazine booklets that you can still get online and 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:18.680 find on her website, and it's Martha Stewart every Day. 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.560 And it's that those recipes for a first time cook, 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.600 not only you're delicious and contemporary and use good ingredients, 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:29.280 they're simple, efficient, They take forty five minutes to get 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.080 on the table. It is I've recommended those two more 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:35.960 people with more success because she has them tested and 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:40.480 retested and I don't know also like just the method 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.920 that she uses, like tested by people who could make mistakes, 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:47.040 Like so it's they've already they've already done all the 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.200 work for you, Like they wouldn't have published if they 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:54.000 hadn't been full proof. Yep, she's a baller. You pay attention, chrimp, 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:59.280 She's a ball So Martha Stewart as a guest oh 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:06.720 man on the same show, preferably with Jared Diamond. Mike 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:10.120 cons has like the pandemic. Mike is winding down. No, 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:14.240 Mike and I are talking. He's yeah, it's gonna happen. 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.600 Can we bring Snoop Dogg along with because Macho Man 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.880 still around, No, he's not. We can xum his remains 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:31.200 and bring him in for there as still pretty small. Yeah. 1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:36.720 If you go back in time, what was the first 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.560 what was the first moment you became aware of the 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:45.080 disciplines of hunting and fishing? Uh? With my father, we 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:48.920 didn't call it foraging, but we went out and went 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.800 around in the woods, well the woods, the beaches, the 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:56.280 ponds that I mean. We we gathered rose My mom 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:59.040 would gather rose hips with me in the in the morning. 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:01.640 You had to do it the at the very earliest 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:03.520 hours of the day when they were still moist with 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:07.640 the dew, before they dried out. This is a little 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:11.880 little kid where Long Island we we we you know, 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:16.160 we went clamming. We uh fish for striped bass. Every 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:21.320 night on the beach. Um we uh took old rotted 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.120 chicken legs and threw them out on the string in 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.880 the water and pulled slowly and would gather, I'm looking 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:29.320 at a bushel basket of blue crabs here in the studio, 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.320 and we pull that up and do a crab right there. 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:38.280 Fantastic exactly. We would we would hand line for eels 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.840 in the harbor and nail them to trees, run a 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.120 little pen knife around their neck and strip matter their 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.880 skin and just put them on the grill. Which is 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:51.240 people identify as out as outdoors, not at all, men 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:54.360 and women, not just life. Absolutely and and this is 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:59.400 what's fantastic. If you had said to them, if if 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:02.000 you had said of them, oh, you're living an outdoors lifestyle, 1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:04.160 they would look at you and say, you're ridiculous. We're 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:08.000 just living a lifestyle. Now. This is in the sixties. Um. 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:11.000 And you know both of them grew up in the depression, 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:14.920 uh a little bit, but they weren't super cris My 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:18.080 dad was. My dad ran a big advertising agency. My 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.400 mom was a free and loose like sixties housewife. You know, 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:25.720 it was. It was an interesting time, a free and 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:29.680 loose sixties housewife that she would, uh my father did 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.600 well enough that uh in her apartment. I don't know 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:35.080 how many of you have read some of the Tom 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.760 Wolf books about New York City in the sixties when 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.800 Park Avenue housewives were raising money for the Black Panther 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.560 Party in there, you would I mean, Huey Lewis would 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:46.800 you know some of those people would show up to, 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:52.200 you know, raise money in living rooms where you know, wealthy, 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.200 free and loose Park Avenue house So she was like 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:57.440 she was like had ruined to be a common cultural 1:02:57.480 --> 1:03:00.920 six super utopian socialist and all the rest that, but 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:04.280 at the same time enjoyed the privileges that came with, 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:08.520 you know, a a booming one per center class that 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.120 has kept growing going forward. Don't use the word loose 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:16.240 about your own, moll. Now, that's that's different because one 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:18.400 of the things that I loved the most about her 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:22.040 was that, and I mean this is the most respectful 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:25.320 way possible. When she divorced my father because of certain 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:29.680 things within our family, she went on a run for 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:31.960 like eight or nine years. We're looking back at it. 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:39.320 I was like, way to go up, Way to go mom, 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:44.000 and and it included I mean some pretty well. I 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:49.360 was like, like, way to go, mom, Uh, parents sound 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.720 like it was fun to be a kid. Oh the best, 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:54.600 because my father would take me traveling all around the world. 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:57.560 And it's interesting that you caught onto that right away. 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:00.920 He actually took me places and taught me ship and 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:03.360 said you will need to know this later in life. 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:07.520 And it was an incredible education. Um. And some of 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:10.320 my friends who when I got to college were into 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:15.360 uh hunting and fishing. I already had experience a lot 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.920 of experience fishing. I'd gone, I'd raised a gun to 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.880 my shoulder once, and by the time you hit college. 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:24.120 By the time I hit college, and then one of 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:31.040 my uh the very close friends, his family had thousands 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:34.880 of acres near O Sable Falls in uh northwestern New York, 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:37.520 and he said, you gotta come up deer hunting sometime, 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:42.440 and I went up. I had a fantastic time, harvested 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:46.480 two animals, and I was hooked because I was already 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:48.720 cooking at the time, and I was eating all these 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.760 things with my dad. So when I was traveling with 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:53.960 my father and Kevin and I were talking before we 1:04:55.000 --> 1:05:01.240 started recording about how much game meat is eaten overseas 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:04.840 and because it's you can bring it into restaurants, right. 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:08.240 It's it's a different situation than we have here. Um. 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:13.160 I was eating wild foods that were hunted and I 1:05:13.160 --> 1:05:15.280 I was threatened, But come back home. Why can't we 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:19.480 have this? It tastes better than uh, you know, beef? Right? 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:22.880 For example, There's certain animals that I tasted and have 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:26.040 gone back and hunted and tasted and continue to go 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:30.160 back and taste, especially African uh hoofed animal species that 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:34.680 I would eat instead of beef every day of the week. Um. 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:38.680 And there are species of of hoofed animal in in 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:42.200 Italy like donkey and horse that are eating regularly not hunted, 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:48.600 but but but sustainably farmed that you know. I mean, look, 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:51.600 I'm the person who stood up loud and clear and 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.680 said we need to diversify our food resources and and 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:58.240 made a show for thirteen years that sort of preached 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.000 that out the wazoo. I mean, so, I mean, you 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:04.560 know where what stands I come from? Uh, But that's 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:08.000 that's kind of how I got hooked. And then the 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:11.560 pleasure of all of the learning that took place, because 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:12.840 for me it was new. I grew up in an 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:16.800 apartment in New York City. Right. So, through my television 1:06:16.840 --> 1:06:21.400 work and through some experiences with friends before that, I 1:06:21.480 --> 1:06:24.919 was able to go places and do things that very 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:28.600 few people are actually able to do. And as everyone 1:06:28.720 --> 1:06:31.720 is at this table knows, because I'm preaching to the converted. 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:35.840 Once you experience that, you never go back. I don't 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:40.920 know anyone who's ever gone out, uh, fly fishing in 1:06:41.000 --> 1:06:43.400 a place where you can actually take a fish if 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:47.680 there's a slot limit for it, or or or gone 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:51.360 out duck hunting or or goose hunting and then experienced 1:06:51.360 --> 1:06:55.800 what it's like to actually eat the food that you've taken, 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.720 and to do it in a responsible way, and to 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:02.400 learn about what are ancestors did with bones and feathers, 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:06.880 and to start to get into the the fun part 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:09.520 of it, which is not necessarily pulling their trigger letting 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:13.960 an arrow fly, but is actually being in tune with nature. 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.280 We're so out of tune with nature. It's why I 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:23.440 love that book, uh that you wrote the Outside, because 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:27.040 it's it's so it's it's of such vital importance. And 1:07:27.080 --> 1:07:30.400 it changed my life, changed my perspective on things, and 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:32.960 gave me a respect for other cultures. And other people 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.680 that we desperately need today. We desperately need it. We 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:41.600 have become a nation so divided we can't even talk 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:45.560 to one another about civic issues that are for our 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:49.240 national betterment for everyone. Right, Um, and I'm not talking 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:50.960 about left right or red or but I'm just about 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.480 forward as a as a society. And to go back 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:57.600 and to look at my life and say, hey, where 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.960 did I learn that? Where did I become more accepting 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:02.280 of other people and other traditions and things like that. 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:06.560 It's all. It all goes back to how I I'll 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:09.400 just call it gathered food. And I think that's a 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:13.920 I think it's a vital importance today. Do you do 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:17.439 you feel that the difference there, Like, do you feel 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:20.240 it's beneficial? Like trying to think how you put this? 1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:23.600 Do you advise people to be like, you know, what 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:26.559 you ought to do for your own betterment is go 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:31.120 out and like eat a hand secured meal, yes, and 1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:36.040 not just okay, tell me about that. Ye. Well, there's 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:38.240 two sides to this point. So let's let's talk about 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:45.320 diminishing uh resources in our human created, finite world. Um, 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:51.560 if everybody took uh a meal replacement meal and a 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:55.800 can once a week, and everybody took a meal from 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:59.519 the wild once a week, which by the way, could 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:03.200 be vegetarian. I'm just saying a meal from the wild, right, 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.479 and we skipped one meal a week. And I'm not 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:10.160 talking about children or seniors or people with with health issues. 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:13.160 So don't at me with a million you know, ridiculous 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.800 comments on Twitter, right, I mean, we all know what 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:19.599 I'm talking about. A meal, not a day, but a meal, 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:22.400 a meal, just a meal. So one meal in a can, yep, 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:30.480 and skip one. We eliminate one seventh of our reliance 1:09:30.560 --> 1:09:35.360 on factory farms and factory produced food and big ad 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:41.680 produce food, etcetera, etcetera. Right, It radically reshapes our dependence 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:45.240 on these places and will help us decentralize our food system. 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:48.240 I still believe in a world it We can't do 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:51.200 it everywhere, but I visited enough places where people still 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:54.720 hunt at night for their breakfast and hunt during the 1:09:54.800 --> 1:09:59.439 day for their dinner. And the connection to the natural 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.640 world that I take from those experiences is to me 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:09.200 of vital importance. And if human beings can, I mean, look, 1:10:09.280 --> 1:10:15.759 I it's coming out next When does this air? This podcast? Okay? 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:17.960 So by by this time it will have been announced 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:21.920 that I've I'm a co founder of a sustainable UH 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:28.920 seafood alliance. I'm obviously a a very UH active social 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:32.880 justice UM proponent, and I work with a lot of 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:35.479 different food groups across the country and across the world 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:40.519 UH in trying to provide UH help for those who 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:45.040 need it, for those who are able to the wisdom 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.840 that comes with taking. And it's not just about how 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:51.920 to harvest an animal. I'm talking about spiritual wisdom. I'm 1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:56.400 talking about personal growth. I'm talking about a a connection 1:10:56.560 --> 1:10:59.839 to other people and the world around you. You become 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:07.240 people who live a lifestyle that incorporates even casually being 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:11.120 in the outdoors and harvesting meals from there. To me, 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:15.559 are the most in the majority, the most open minded, 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.959 forward thinking. I was just I mean, just the bullshitting 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:21.160 we were doing before the microphones you know, went on. 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:23.519 All I was I was listening. All have to do 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:26.280 that would really with making the world a better place, right, 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:29.280 You have to understand the world if you're going to 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:32.479 do anything about it. I famously said, and well I 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.479 shouldn't say well, sure, I'll say it because it was 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:38.280 quoted everywhere. But in What's in America one of our episodes, 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:40.640 I I was sitting on a John Dear tractor and 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.479 I and I looked at the camera and I said, 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:45.160 you know, if you want to understand what's happening on 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:49.160 American farms, I suggest you visit one. People who are 1:11:49.160 --> 1:11:51.800 talking about the outdoors with never having spent time in it. 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:55.200 You know, how about fuck you if you're talking about, 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:57.479 you know, farming in America and you've never spent time 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:00.799 on a farm, big or small, you know, I get 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:04.160 I get outraged at it. Where do you learn that 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.400 scrabble dictionary? I mean, get out there and live it, 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:10.280 just just for a day, experience it so you can 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:14.000 develop Because everyone is entitled to opinion unless you're pulling 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:17.839 it out of your ass. It absolutely drives me crazy. 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:22.040 And and and by the way, you know, my personal stance, 1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:29.000 my civic stance, my political stance is vastly, vastly one sided. 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:33.440 But I still learned all of that in the outdoors. 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.080 You take what you want from a develop your opinions 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:39.679 by actually being there right regardless of where they may fall. 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:41.800 But if you do not get out there, how do 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.880 you I'll give you a really great example. Um, I 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:47.240 believe everybody has to have a relationship with the power 1:12:47.280 --> 1:12:50.320 greater than themselves. If you think you're the be all 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.760 and end all, and you're living totally an ego, you 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:55.200 will not be successful in life. I gotta I don't 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:57.639 want to bore people with two hours of stories about it, 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:00.559 but you know, flat out, you have to believe in something. 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:02.519 I don't care what it is, but believe in something 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:04.920 bigger than yourself. It could be nature, it could be family, 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:11.400 it could be other human beings, it could be believe 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:15.280 in something bigger than yourself. Right, So i'm i'm I'm 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:19.839 hunting elk. Out with the leaders of the Taos Pueblo 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:23.120 and we go up to one of their sacred mountains. Um, 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:27.240 we heard elk, We we called elk, we saw elk. 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:30.240 It was it got too dark and we were too 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:33.920 far away. Never put the gun to my shoulder. Still 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:38.800 one of the greatest, greatest nights of my life. And 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:42.240 then we sat around a fire for five hours with 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:45.280 their ward chief, with their tribal leader, with people, and 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:50.080 they started teaching me about the mountain we were on, 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:52.439 and about the history of their of their people, and 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:54.920 they just told stories, because that's how they communicate and 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:58.080 pass on traditions by telling stories. Uh. And we we 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:00.760 put it in the show as best we can. You know, 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:04.640 we got forty four minutes with commercials um. But it 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:06.960 was afterwards when one of them said to me, came 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:09.600 here and we we we walked around about I don't know, 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:12.160 a quarter mile down this this hill to this place 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:15.800 that was just like two acres of six inch deep moss. 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:19.200 That's all it was was moss, this huge field of moss. 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:22.240 But it happened to they They called it a very 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:26.160 sacred ground because it faced a certain constellation of stars. 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.880 And I lay down there and he started to talk 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:32.200 to me about, you know, some of their spiritual practice 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:37.120 and what other people might call godly belief and wisdom. 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.960 And it absolutely I have never forgotten that moment. I 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:44.160 remember every word that was spoken to me, and it 1:14:44.200 --> 1:14:47.200 was really all about what we do for other people 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:49.800 and being in service to other people, that that's our 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:53.040 purpose with being here on planet. That they believe that 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:54.680 we are meant to love each other and be of 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:59.200 service to other human beings full stop, which was identical 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:03.400 to what the shaman of the Juntawaisi and Botswana had 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:08.240 said to me after a trans dance where he he 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:11.320 and he pulled me out of myself and we floated 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:14.440 above my body and shared an out of body experience 1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:17.479 and we documented the show. I burst into tears. I 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:21.120 sat outside his his hut after he passed out and 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:23.360 slept for twelve hours. I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't shoot 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:25.519 because I needed to be the first one to talk 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:27.679 to him with the translator to say, to make sure 1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:33.719 what he experienced was what I experienced. And um, if 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:37.960 it hadn't happened to me, I would call bullshit on it. 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:41.880 But I I had the same transcendent experience with him, 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:44.280 and not to be I'm not making a Bill Murray 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.479 joke here, but I knew I was in the presence 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:49.160 of someone very special. And I asked him, what are 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:55.040 what's our purpose on life here on this planet? And 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.519 he said he laughed at me. He laughed at me 1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:00.880 because I was a modern Western person and he started 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:05.720 to walk away, and I insisted in the the tribal management, 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.040 like you're gonna want to hear about it. It was 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:09.920 so simple. He laughed at me because he thought I 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.920 would just ignore it. But it's stuck with me forever. 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:17.679 The the tribal management officer that was with us, who 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:21.000 was the grandson of one of the other shamans, asked 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:23.599 him to please answered, if you would answer the question, 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:25.479 I didn't want to push too much, and he turned 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:28.799 around and basically said, in his language, you're an idiot. 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:31.280 It's to love each other and take care of each other, 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:37.639 which is exactly what the tribal elder of the Taos 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:41.040 Pueblo people said. These are these are spiritual truths that 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:43.519 go back to the very beginning of time of how 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:46.680 we're supposed to treat each other and our planet. And 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:49.759 I have yet to learn any of that from a book. 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:53.160 I've yet to learn any of that from from other 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:56.679 experiences other than being out in the world with people 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:59.920 who are living in harmony with nature, which means take 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:04.200 food from their natural surroundings. So I believe very strongly, 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.760 to get back to your question, that taking food from 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:10.439 our natural surroundings is a very very very important part 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.920 of what should be an everyday lifestyle for everyone. And 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.080 that includes concerts. I mean, look, I'm preaching to the 1:17:16.080 --> 1:17:20.200 converter your listeners understand this. That includes conservation, that includes 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:22.320 how we care for each other, how we feed each other, 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:25.280 it includes how we make laws, it includes how we 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:29.080 think about our ecosystems. And I think it's vitally important. 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:32.600 I can't imagine. I feel sorry for the people that 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:36.200 don't get to experience that and your and your wanderings. 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:43.160 What culture or indigenous group or tribal group, um kind 1:17:43.200 --> 1:17:48.680 of had the lifestyle the wild foods pattern where you thought, like, 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:53.839 these guys gotta figured out, Well, it's all the protected tribes. 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.120 I mean, I've been very lucky. I think we're up 1:17:57.160 --> 1:18:00.400 to now fifty seven tribal groups that are the governments 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:04.040 of those countries don't allow contact outsiders with them. I've 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:10.479 lived with I think fourteen of them. Uh. And yeah, 1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:14.920 it's it's an incredible experience. UM. And I didn't realize 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.120 it at the time I I went to I went 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:23.719 to a teaching university, UH University of India, big school, 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:29.120 and UH the anthropology department there was was they teach 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:31.800 a course on using bizarre foods at and they wanted 1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:35.040 me to come down and give a talk. And I 1:18:35.040 --> 1:18:37.920 found myself with the anthropology department at night at a 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:40.400 little private meet and greet at at the Dean's home. 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:44.040 And Uh, I was introduced to other people as an anthropologist, 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:45.920 and I laughed at my I said, I'm a TV 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:48.800 I'm a fat white guy that goes around the world 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:56.960 meets bugs. Um, this was if my anthropologist. And Uh, 1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.120 he said, oh, no, no, no, he says, we have 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:03.439 we have tenured professors here that have maybe spent time 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:07.080 with two tribes of the type that you have spent 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.040 weeks and weeks and weeks with many. And maybe the 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:13.920 first inkling I got about how special the experience was. 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:18.760 And and now they don't really make TV like that anymore. Um. 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:21.000 And the one thing that I found is all those 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:25.920 protected groups live in in concert with their natural surroundings. 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:31.080 So the ones in Amazonia right um, in in the 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:35.400 deepest parts of Amazonia where there are no seasons, where 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.400 it's give or take a degree or two, the same 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:40.559 temperature every day, the same weather system. Every day, they 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:44.400 constantly are are hunting and fishing, the same animals, gathering 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:48.160 the same fruits, gathering the same vegetables. That's much different, say, 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:53.240 than the Juntoasi, who live in a place that has seasons. Uh. 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:57.799 Even though it's the high desert in Botswana outside about 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:02.800 five four or five hours outside the hills um they 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:06.080 have seasons. So when we got there, they were eating 1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:11.000 beetles roasted and mashed with marula nuts because marula fruit 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:13.679 was fault. They'd eat the fruit, they'd roast the nuts, 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:16.439 mash them with these bugs that they roasted, and they 1:20:16.479 --> 1:20:19.240 would make this paste and dry it. And it reminded 1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:21.800 me of those old tigers milk power bars, about the 1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:25.920 old breasting the world's first power bar. They stank and 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:29.400 they were chewy there, just like bad taffy, and that's 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.639 what that food was. But they ate that for eight 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:36.600 nine days until those bugs were gone and the marula 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:40.960 fruit had fallen from the trees and was all gone, right, 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:48.040 and then they moved on to Kudu right blew my 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:52.080 mind absolutely blew my mind. Uh. And I was like, 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.479 oh okay, and they're like no, because now usually after 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.800 the season and the younger animals are old enough, so 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:02.280 it's at that point that are pushing older males out 1:21:02.360 --> 1:21:06.200 of the out of the herd. And that's what we harvest, 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:08.800 is the older males that are pushed out of the herd. 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:11.639 And we only do it and and just every week 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:15.519 had a different you know, food or two or three 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:18.479 to it, And I think those are the those are 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:21.080 the places that I was most impressed with. Any other 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:23.880 group has access to things all the time and is 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:28.080 trading with people in towns or cities, and modernism has 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:32.479 crept in and it's more of a convenience lifestyle. Um, 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:38.280 I think I would be okay with with living the 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:42.920 the pure seasonal structure that I viewed with a with 1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:45.200 a couple of other tribe. It really is, it really 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:49.000 is absolutely unbelievable. That's really it's an interesting observation that 1:21:49.040 --> 1:21:53.639 you made. I hadn't really thought of that equatorial hunter 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:59.760 gathers are, Um, they're not dealing with that correct, right, Like, 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:02.760 but you probably have trees, Like if you have an 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:06.080 array of date trees all the time, there's probably some 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:08.200 day tree at any given time. It is probably fruiting 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:10.880 anytime anytime. And the and the fish that they like 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:15.240 are always there. The animals that they like are always there. Um, 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:17.479 you know, I mean the skill set of those people. 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:21.919 You know, wild chickens kind of like a grouse popping 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:25.960 up out of the ferns in a forest. So there's 1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:29.200 trees in your way. I'm talking about a dense rainforest. Okay, 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.559 you talk about hard shots, and they take off moving 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:36.200 let's say, from right to left, and they have these 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:40.599 these people are hunting with tiny flightless arrows, and they 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:45.360 don't miss featherless arrows. They don't miss the the with 1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:50.720 the with the juntasi, a black mamba. You know, the 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.400 five steps snake bites you, you're dead. And five steps 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.920 came into the camp while we were there, an actual 1:22:57.080 --> 1:23:00.320 rare occurrence. But those animals hunt and they will come 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:03.240 back for the same scent and the same smell. So 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:07.080 the entire tribe drops, i mean drops everything. One person 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:09.840 and they have an emergency protocol system for this. One 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:13.680 person kicks out the fire. Everyone else gathers the belongings, 1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:16.439 which by the way, our group owned, not an individual loan, 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:21.400 and they all thirty of them, little kids, grandpas and 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:24.719 everyone in between, starts chasing the snake. But they all 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:27.760 gather sticks and stones as they're running, and they keep 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.960 throwing it. The idea is they want to chase the 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.240 snake up a tree. And so eventually after about a 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:36.760 mile of this, by the way, our instinct, because it's 1:23:36.840 --> 1:23:39.519 been drilled into us, where you see a five steps snake, 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:41.880 you run the other way. So we all took like 1:23:42.000 --> 1:23:45.240 eight steps back, and then your your TV sense kicks 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:46.439 in and you're like, oh no, no no, we have to 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:48.720 document this. And then we start running behind them, and 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:51.040 we put it in our show. We got the snake 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:54.320 shot of it climbing up the tree, and you know, 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:57.519 a twelve year old kid literally comes running up with 1:23:57.560 --> 1:24:01.120 a sling shot by the way, not the kind that 1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:07.120 you know, has a fork sling with a rock in it, 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:10.360 and from thirty feet out from the tree, because you 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:12.120 can't be you have to be out from the tree 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:14.960 to get it. He waited for the snake to come 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:18.400 to an edge and look out at everyone spends his thing. 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:21.120 But I mean no, he didn't take time to tee 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:24.800 it up. He didn't, you know, like the traditional you know, 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:28.160 like take your time, get your breathing down. He just 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:32.080 hucked this thing bang, hits it on the head and 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:35.400 it starts to drop, and he throws through three more 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.360 times total of four hit it, three times, missed once. 1:24:38.680 --> 1:24:41.439 Snake is almost dead on the ground, and then everyone 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:44.320 in the tribe takes turned stomping it and then they 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:49.600 throw it into a crucifixion bush, which is a bush 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:52.120 that has so many big thorns on it. That's the 1:24:52.160 --> 1:24:55.760 Western name for it. That's where they throw it because 1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:57.960 if you step on the bones, it can kill you 1:24:58.040 --> 1:25:00.720 even a year later. So they wanted to rot and 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:04.559 die in the heat and in that and no one's 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:06.400 gonna bump into it if it's on the top of 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:10.920 a crucifixion bush. Um Uh, the most incredible thing I've 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:14.680 ever seen. But you you start to get the protocol 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:20.479 an appreciation for that. Those seasonal tribal people are absolutely 1:25:20.520 --> 1:25:22.800 believable with with skill sets, by the way, and I 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.040 know that there's people here at this table who've experienced 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:29.160 this with skill sets that far outweigh anything. I mean, 1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:33.120 the jun Twasi, this was the funny part. The Kudoos. 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:35.200 They have these little arrows. They have this poison that 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:37.920 there's no antidote for, and they keep the poison. They 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.160 make it a couple of times a year. We put 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:41.840 it in the show, and they keep it in a 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:46.000 shell inside a leather bag on this tree hanging so 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:50.880 that no one touches it. And uh, you know, they 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:53.240 don't have a concept of certain things about when to 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:58.360 use it because everything that um, well, the kudoo. For example, 1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:00.920 I'm like, oh, are you gonna use the poison arrows 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.680 or or you're gonna use your little flightless arrows with 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:07.200 no poison on it? Or how do you hunt the kudu? 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.960 Because they said we're going kudu hunting tomorrow and they said, oh, 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:11.640 you're not gonna be able to go, and this is 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:14.760 through our translator, and it's like, well, no, well we'll 1:26:14.800 --> 1:26:17.240 be stealthy and quiet and just send Andrew in one cameraman. 1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:20.160 The usual conversation we have with everyone about this. And 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:22.000 they're like, no, you won't be able to keep up 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:24.760 running with us, and you'll you'll die of exhaustion and 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:29.000 you'll get lost. And we're like like, what do you 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.639 mean running? And it's like well, and they don't have 1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:33.880 a term that we have for sporting, but it was 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:38.800 essentially the idea was they run and throw rocks and 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:42.240 sticks until the animal is exhausted, and they get it 1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:44.519 to a place where it's in a canyon against a wall, 1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:46.600 and then they walk up to it and strangle it 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:52.360 and then bleed it out. That's how they hunt kudu. Right, Okay, 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:56.960 they don't notoriously athletic and they run after it until 1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:01.519 it's exhausted. So think about that, right, we were not 1:27:01.560 --> 1:27:03.679 allowed to our insurance coming. We weren't allowed to leave 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.960 camp with less than six liters of water on our bodies. 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.560 Had to carry six for each person. Someone has to 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:12.760 have the medical I mean just I mean, the precautions 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:14.720 were insane. And these people are just walking out. They 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.840 eat these little berries that helps their body retain moisture. 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.439 They drink in the morning, then they come back and 1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.200 drink a lot at night, but they're they're fine during 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:26.320 the day, including run. You know, it's a hundred and 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:29.439 twenty degrees, you know, in the middle of the desert, 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:36.720 in the hot sun, and they're chasing kudu, chasing kudu. Okay, 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:39.000 that's new for me. I just sat there and I 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:41.080 was like, you know, and everyone at least the one 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:43.240 thing all of those protected tribes have in common, and 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:46.000 you you, you know, you hit on one of the 1:27:46.000 --> 1:27:49.519 differences with where they are in the world. But all 1:27:49.560 --> 1:27:57.000 of them are doctors, lawyers, engineers, farmers, hunters, soldiers, right, builders. 1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.880 I mean that that we we have lost so much 1:28:00.320 --> 1:28:04.759 across training. It's insane. It's insane, And and that the 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:08.200 young people in these tribes are taught all this and 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:10.960 from starting at a very early age. I mean, they're 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:13.320 all pharmacists. I mean, you know, someone gets I mean, 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:15.800 here's the thing you look at. I'm sitting there at 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.200 one point, you know. And I only come back to 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:21.639 the Genoaisi because the one of the first second protected 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.519 tribe I was ever with. And I'm like, God, there's 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.439 a lot of old people here. Don't they get sick? 1:28:27.960 --> 1:28:32.639 And the the folks who were with us uh from 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:37.160 the their parks department UH and tribal Management office were like, sure, 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:38.840 they get sick all the time. They take medicine. They 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:41.120 looked at me like I'm an idiot, Like, of course 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:44.000 they get sick. They have their diseases. One of the 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:47.920 reasons we keep them away from you people is we 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:53.720 don't want other diseases brought in. Right. But I was like, oh, yeah, 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:57.800 they get sick and then they use their own uh 1:28:58.320 --> 1:29:03.320 you know, medicine to heal themselves. And people break bones 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:08.000 and they they splint them and they know and they 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:12.320 rehab them. And there's all these eighty year olds walking around. 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:14.519 They live a healthy, happy, long life. And I'm like, 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:18.680 we're doing something wrong, or there's maybe not only we're 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:21.680 doing something wrong, but the biggest mistake we make is 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:26.120 not learning from these people somehow minimizing their experience and 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:29.519 saying to ourselves they have less to offer me than 1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:33.080 this book, this school, this other thinker, philosopher, whatever it's like. 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:35.120 It's like, no, go spend some time with some of 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:38.080 those people. Study those people, and you will learn. Number One, 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:42.280 it's extremely emasculating. I mean, as a modern man with 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:45.040 with some skill set, you hang out with these folks 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:49.439 and it is you know, I'm a useless I am 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:56.799 an appendage um. And uh, their lifestyle is is not boring. 1:29:56.960 --> 1:30:00.519 The the happiness quotients is very high. We so what's 1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:03.240 called a honey bird. If they see it, this bird 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:05.960 has a long bill and it eats the honey the 1:30:06.000 --> 1:30:09.200 b larva. So whenever they see the bird, which is rare, 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:11.800 it only happens two or three times a year. Uh, 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:14.040 they all run and follow it. The whole tribe just 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:16.840 gets up and moves camp some and they leave market. 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.920 They leave markers to eventually the bird will leave them 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:25.120 to a a natural hide. Now, these are wild African bees, 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:29.559 the worst of the worst. They can make fire faster 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:34.440 than any I mean I'm talking. I mean two sticks, 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:38.519 a thong, you know, from an old from a deer tendon, 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:42.120 and they're making fire. I mean three seconds, four seconds 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:45.559 is nothing. Uh. They whip up the fire, they grow 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:47.559 a bigger fire, and they hold it in this piece 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:52.280 of hide, smoke them out so they're all just asleep. 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:56.680 Then they reach in, grab all the honey, put it 1:30:56.720 --> 1:31:00.200 into this bigger hide, and then carry it home. And 1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:02.680 then they gorge on it. And they the way some 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:04.559 people have the meat sweats and eat too much at 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:07.639 a steakhouse and pass out. They all pass out from 1:31:07.640 --> 1:31:11.160 this sugar high. There was. There was another tribe I 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.920 was with on the other side of Africa, that's southwestern Africa, 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:17.800 in central eastern Africa, the Chaga. Uh. They make beer, well, 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.479 they make a mead beer thing with it, and they 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:24.120 get hammered and they find it two or three times 1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:25.320 a year and do the same thing, but they do 1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:30.240 a different thing uh with it. Uh. It's it's incredible 1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:33.280 what we learned from if you're open minded. So what 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:36.240 did it teach me? It taught me that regardless of me. 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:38.840 There's how many of us at this table, fourteen it's 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:43.320 unfrecking believable. Um, but what it taught me was there's 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:47.040 no one out there who can't teach me something, right, 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:50.599 So to think that, I know, it's it's it taught 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:52.439 me to be a better People say, well, how did 1:31:52.479 --> 1:31:55.639 that trip transform you? It's like, well, I I became 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:59.439 an instant recycler. I listened to people more. That trip 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:03.160 would visit the gun Choasi in in Botswana change my 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:08.760 life irrevocably. Uh. I mean, let's talking about immediate, immediate 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:12.400 because it was so humbling to see how these people 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:15.880 operated for two weeks and you know, every night at 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:18.600 midnight because the times of the thing. I took the 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:21.599 satellite phone and walked to a clearing out of this 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:27.360 jungle with like three guides, three tribes people around me 1:32:27.479 --> 1:32:30.719 with spears because they're like, you won't see the animal coming, 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:33.200 that's gonna kill you. And I'm like, come on, you know, 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:36.439 I'll call bullshit on that one, right. I mean, your tribe, 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:38.439 you're making lots of noise and they're just shaking their 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:40.360 head at me and they're all standing around me. And 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:42.880 I would talk to my wife and kid and you know, 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.160 spend my five minutes on the SAT phone and then 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:47.960 I'd walk back, I'd go to sleep. Second morning, I 1:32:48.000 --> 1:32:50.720 wake up and the guy who was with me when 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:53.160 I called the first night is still standing outside my 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:56.400 tent door and he takes his spear. He didn't speak 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:58.800 my language, I didn't speak his, and he points in 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:01.360 his eyes, he takes his here, and he just starts 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:04.080 pointing out all the different tracks of animals, some of 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:07.200 which were massive, right uh. And then he's showing me 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:09.439 the slithering of snakes and all the way like the 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:13.000 activity outside. And I asked the conservation officer, I said, 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:17.080 so what does he do? How does he deal with 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:20.599 those animals? And why aren't they eating him? It's like, well, 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:28.040 he hides, he's spiritually and mentally tries to make himself disappear. 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:32.639 He slows his breathing, he does all of these things 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:35.160 that you learn to do to make yourself as small 1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:39.600 as possible in that environment, like a spear fisherman. Not 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:43.320 only he's like I'm not here, I'm not here, But 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.720 it goes back to that that that thing that we 1:33:46.720 --> 1:33:50.280 were talking before about, you know, human transformation, you know 1:33:50.439 --> 1:33:53.439 you can you were talking about the throwing stars and 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:56.040 Ninja's The reason why I know there are people who 1:33:56.080 --> 1:34:00.280 have those what we would call supernatural skill sets, is 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:04.240 because I've seen it with tribal people around the world. 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.240 He actually made himself so small in the middle of 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.840 the night the animals that he was worried would kill 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:11.679 me because I don't know how to make myself small. 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:16.679 We're not an issue for him. It was not because 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:19.120 he'd been practicing it since he was a baby. It 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.680 was taught to him. So when people say what's your 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:23.760 you know, what kind of superpower do you want? It's 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:27.439 always flight, right, But I've seen real people have super 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:29.960 I would love to be able to put a cloak 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:34.280 around myself and make myself small where nothing would perceive me. 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:37.320 Now we are talking about a night in the middle 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:41.760 of an African country, five dred of thousand, seven, fifty 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:44.680 miles from the nearest anything, right, But still, what a 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:48.240 skill set to have to be that in touch with nature. 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:50.800 So those are the things you learn when you embrace 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:55.799 the outdoor lifestyle, the world that's around us, the natural 1:34:55.840 --> 1:35:06.640 world that's around us. Yeah. One of the things I 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:13.080 saw um in South America traveling with the Amerindian group 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.920 was that, uh, that really stuck with me. We actually 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:17.559 tried to do what we call it the Mkushi code 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:23.280 of silence, but it's just Kushi code of silence. But 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:29.479 they do not do not, will not say anything at 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:31.880 the level of volume that we're talking right now. That's correct. 1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:35.080 You don't. You don't. If someone's down by the water, 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:40.160 anyone would be like, hey, can you grab the it 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:44.720 doesn't happen. You walk down. You walk down and say 1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:50.360 into that person's ears, that's right. Never ever ever make noise. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:54.040 By the way, it's like talking about like being small 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:57.640 as no one for any reason makes any noise. And 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:00.360 they don't brush against ship. We we were out. When 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:03.080 we came back from our first day of shooting with 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:07.160 the Genoasi, everyone had burs all over their clothes, scratches 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:10.840 all over their face. Some we looked like we've been 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:13.880 run over by a truck. Because everywhere you go, even 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:15.800 though we had walking sticks and you learn how to 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:18.519 push thorns and all this kind of stuff, ship catches 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:21.920 on your clothing. I mean, everything was like nipped up, 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.120 torn up. I mean, we really looked like we were 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:27.200 a mess, all of them completely unmarked. They just laughed 1:36:27.200 --> 1:36:32.519 at us. They're like, you know because and and you 1:36:32.560 --> 1:36:35.680 know they have they have the same behavioral system that 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:38.840 you're describing. I mean, all first people's around the world, 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:43.600 truly first people's, I think, have the same have that 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:47.880 same ability. They don't they don't touch other ship. We 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.559 just break ship, you know. I mean it's pretty it's 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:54.240 pretty embarrassing. So yeah, and the food is great too. 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:57.759 I mean the food is giant. If you've never eaten 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:05.439 a hundred pound wild freaking porcupine, massive, it's like rodents 1:37:05.439 --> 1:37:08.360 of an unusual size. They're they're as big as as 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:14.400 you pick. They're massive. Yeah, And they pull them out, 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:17.479 they go down in the spear, they crawl into their holes. 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:21.479 These are these are uh giant members of the rodent 1:37:21.520 --> 1:37:25.639 family with quills that they shoot at people, but which, 1:37:25.640 --> 1:37:27.920 by the way, are big enough on that animal that 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:33.200 you can die. And they crawl face first into their burrows. 1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:38.960 Literally they are literally they can fling the quill the 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:43.120 porcupines because you know there are porcupines, don't. Yeah, they can. 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:47.360 It's it's it's defensive because they they there must and 1:37:47.360 --> 1:37:50.720 and all you'll you'll understand why in the second. So 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:52.559 they go down, they kill the thing with the spear. 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:55.439 They pull it out. The first thing they do is 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:58.080 all the women descend on the thing and they use 1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:00.240 because the quills are so big, they're hollow, and they 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:03.519 use it for jewelry, and they cluster the tips together 1:38:03.560 --> 1:38:07.759 to make these little poking weapons and and sewing needles 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:10.559 and all this other stuff. Right, So then you're left 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.880 with this bald porcupine, and it's all white fat because 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:17.719 the quills are their hair, right, And it gets cold 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:19.720 at night in the desert, so it's really thick and 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:22.559 dense with the stuff. And so basically what they are 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:27.120 surrounded with and Kevin Steady yourself is a blanket of 1:38:27.160 --> 1:38:30.040 bacon is all around them. Okay, so it's like an 1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:32.280 inch and a half thick piece of what I thought 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:35.040 was fat. Well, when they clean the animal, they throw 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.200 the meat and the bones up into the trees to 1:38:37.280 --> 1:38:41.800 let them dry. Then the first thing you eat is 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:45.320 the blood and the skin. So the blood is beaten 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:50.599 with uh animal milk or just beaten so the clots 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:53.679 are taken out, and then you can drink the blood 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:59.160 for health. And then uh you uh char the fat 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:03.719 uh on both sides until it's blackened, and then everyone 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.160 cuts it up with their knives and everyone gets a 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:08.519 square that's like three or four inches in size. And 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:10.880 when I got my cut piece, I looked at it 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:15.200 and it was streaked with muscles like very thin finds. 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:19.120 It wasn't pure fat. It was streaked with these pink lines. 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:24.400 And you know, I realized that that's why that animal 1:39:25.080 --> 1:39:29.920 can dislodge it because it it essentially will constrict its 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.599 muscle system and pop them out. Now, it doesn't throw 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:37.639 them far, but if another predator, and there are very 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:40.640 few for that animal, but there are. It does have 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:45.679 predators um especially in other parts of Africa, ostrich which 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:48.280 will eviscerate them from the belly where they don't have 1:39:49.200 --> 1:39:54.040 that ostriches. Just as a defense mechanism, they'll do it. Yeah, 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.160 they'll kill the porkupines. No, no, no, the ostrich will 1:39:57.280 --> 1:40:02.160 will if they're threatened will so if one messes with it, 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:04.040 it could kill it. And if a line, I mean 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:06.320 it's the only Ostrich are the only animals that regularly 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:09.640 kill desert lines down in southwestern Africa because they have 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:13.799 that huge uh we call the dew claw on dogs, 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:16.680 but it's it's massive and they literally do like a 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:19.679 karate move where they stop. They will let the line 1:40:19.760 --> 1:40:22.040 chase it until it's tired enough and then turn and 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:25.519 flick that leg up and just cut them open from 1:40:25.640 --> 1:40:29.280 it's the sharpest claw on the Ostrich's body. Um. But 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:33.439 these these porcupines will shoot them, uh, you know, up 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:36.520 to a foot two feet so that it by constricting 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:38.640 their skin. But the point being that's what makes the 1:40:38.680 --> 1:40:42.960 fat so delicious when it's charred. It's just that sounds fantastic. 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:46.360 It's fantastic. And you know you just sit there and 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:49.800 marvel at these people, their animals and how they live 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:55.519 in in space, you know, in their space. It's it's 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:59.800 quite quite something. Yeah, those are great experiences. Yeah, they're cool. 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:05.720 I'm a little jealous. The takeaway on you know, the 1:41:06.080 --> 1:41:09.200 eating the bugs and the fruit that lead up to 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:12.120 the kudo which is only a nine day fruit and 1:41:12.120 --> 1:41:18.040 bug season that leads up to and that fruit. Um, 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:22.000 you know, my takeaway there is like first in, first 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.760 out type of like don't spite the food in front 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:28.080 of you to get to the food that's still going 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:31.479 to be available next week. What was your takeaway there? 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:35.000 Same Sam, It was frustrating as a television crew because 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.320 we got there and we're like, well, you know, the 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:40.519 producer director, you know, Chris is trying to explain to 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:42.479 them he had to have a big sit down meeting 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:44.840 for three or four hours, and we're like, you're not 1:41:44.880 --> 1:41:48.960 going to convince them to throw away forty thousand years 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:53.680 of their tradition for your work here. Well, we're just 1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:55.800 gonna have to win. R. Zimmer and would like to 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:59.600 do it. So the phone call his SAT call the 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:03.920 first because when we went there, the iPhone iPhone just 1:42:03.960 --> 1:42:11.320 had its fifteenth birthday, So the the iPhone had birthday 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:15.599 and we went there, uh, fourteen years ago, two thousand 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:19.120 and eight, two thousand, nine years ago, so iPhones a 1:42:19.160 --> 1:42:21.320 brand new thing, so there was no faith all the 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:23.160 things that are on the iPhone. Back then it was 1:42:23.200 --> 1:42:25.760 a phone with a camera, right, and a couple of 1:42:25.800 --> 1:42:29.599 apps in an app store, right, So there was no 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:33.680 We're just relying on paper letters with the government to 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:35.840 let us go in there. So there's no scouting, there's 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:39.320 no we're going so far away, there was no sending. 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:42.360 We didn't have budget to send someone scouted come back 1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:44.920 and figure out the beach sheet for our stories. We 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:47.360 just trusted based on what we're told that we have 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:50.200 eight million stories. We could make forty hours of TV 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:53.080 with these people, which we could have. And so we 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:55.040 get there and the very first thing we find out 1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:58.160 is that we're we've we've arrived a week early. There 1:42:58.200 --> 1:43:00.879 are no one because you know, and we refined shooting 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:03.200 the bug and you know, we shot that. That's that 1:43:03.320 --> 1:43:07.240 was the story, and then we had to wait and 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:12.000 that was actually there's only so much civilian was you know, 1:43:12.080 --> 1:43:14.400 just a person where I learned the most because we 1:43:14.720 --> 1:43:16.800 got to go out and do other things with them. 1:43:17.040 --> 1:43:19.240 We wound up shooting five days worth of b roll. 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:23.639 But the learning. They make snap snares to trap this 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:28.400 one bird that they roast um, and they have to 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:31.360 walk ten miles in one direction to grab the berries 1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:34.679 that the animal eats, and they take it, then ten 1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:37.040 miles in the other direction right, so a twenty mile 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:41.439 walk right, and they put them in a place where 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:44.360 the birds fly by and are around, but where their 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:47.240 favorite food doesn't grow, and they scatter them all over 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:49.160 the ground and they make eight or nine little wooden 1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:52.720 snap snares, which they make in about four minutes with 1:43:52.880 --> 1:43:57.640 little knives that are are made out of stone. I 1:43:57.680 --> 1:44:01.160 mean the craftsmanship and the quick time on this stuff, 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:03.800 the skill set, and then no one like hooks up 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:06.280 the snap stare and then it goes and you're like, oh, 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:08.400 we got gotta be careful, gotta you know. There's just 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:10.599 no test and measure. They just make them and they 1:44:10.640 --> 1:44:13.479 work and they lay these nooses on the ground and 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:16.880 then where the berries are, and then we're like, okay, 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:18.360 we'll come back in a couple of days. And we 1:44:18.400 --> 1:44:19.960 walked back in a couple of days and every single 1:44:20.000 --> 1:44:21.479 one of them has a bird in it. And I 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:24.800 was like, wow. Every one of them worked and they 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:28.120 couldn't understood their translator. They couldn't understand the point I 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:30.800 was making. They were like, why wouldn't do it if 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:33.799 it wouldn't like my My point was that they couldn't 1:44:33.840 --> 1:44:38.639 even process it well because the question made no sense 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:41.559 to them. We laid ten snaps snares. Of course we 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:46.520 get ten birds, right, And I took all these refrigerators 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:50.439 of work exactly, I and I pull and I took 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:52.719 my knife out. The key to living with these people 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:54.519 is to be useful, because they take their cues from 1:44:54.560 --> 1:44:57.719 the animal world. It's identical and vice versa. Right, So 1:44:58.280 --> 1:45:02.160 the useless people. Males are pushed out of the try 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:04.720 their exiled, or they're just let to die, or they're 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:08.000 not healed because they have limited resources. Right, that's how 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:12.800 they deal with these things. It's a very very primitive 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:19.479 system for human management. Right. So, um, you try to 1:45:19.479 --> 1:45:21.640 be useful. You just try to carry ship. You just 1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:23.880 if you want them to be impressed by you, you 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:27.680 have to do ship right. And so I took up 1:45:27.680 --> 1:45:29.200 my knife and I was like, okay, I'll cut. I'll 1:45:29.240 --> 1:45:32.000 be useful, I'll cut the snares. And I almost got 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:34.400 gang tackled when I took my knife out and moved 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:37.000 towards the rope. And they said to me, we make 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:40.599 the rope, and we use the rope until the rope 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:44.479 goes back into the ground into dust, and until such 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:46.719 a we don't We do not ever take a knife 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:49.320 to the rope. The rope is sacred. That's how we 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.360 get our food. And they carefully spool it up and 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:54.160 put in their bags and return it to the community 1:45:54.400 --> 1:45:58.200 tree where anyone can use rope for something. And several 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:00.920 days later we we finally got them to show us 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:04.240 how they make rope. All thirty members the tribe sit down. 1:46:04.320 --> 1:46:08.360 They start splitting reads into these fine hairs, and they 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:11.080 weave it using their toes and fingers so that they 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:14.040 have more because instead of using your hands where you 1:46:14.080 --> 1:46:16.519 can have ten strands at once, if you lay in 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:19.440 between your fingers use your toes, you now have twenty. 1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:22.680 And they make we shot. It's in the show. It's 1:46:22.680 --> 1:46:25.080 the most incredible thing. And then I'm like, well, how 1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:27.559 strong I'm thinking my house is my third day there. 1:46:27.880 --> 1:46:32.680 The rope is not that strong, right, use whatever primitive thing. 1:46:32.720 --> 1:46:35.760 And the guy says, show him how. My translator show 1:46:35.800 --> 1:46:37.800 him how. So he holds on one end of it 1:46:37.960 --> 1:46:41.920 and I and he literally two guys lift me up 1:46:41.960 --> 1:46:45.160 holding onto the rope with it around my wrists, you know. 1:46:45.200 --> 1:46:47.920 And I'm two and thirty pounds at the time, I 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:53.680 was two thirty six. It's just incredible. I mean that 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:57.559 the stuff that's out there. I guess the point being 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:01.559 is that, yeah, yeah, I I wish everyone could go 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:05.439 spend time with them. But I've had similar experiences, not 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:09.080 as profound, not as cool in the storytelling mode, you know, 1:47:09.200 --> 1:47:11.960 and or and sitting around with you guys. But we've 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:16.000 all had those experiences out in the sitting by a 1:47:16.120 --> 1:47:19.880 river or on a boat or in a blind or 1:47:19.960 --> 1:47:24.200 just walking where you learn something or have a profound 1:47:24.240 --> 1:47:27.280 experience that changes your life. So if you don't get outdoors, 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:32.759 you will never have those experiences ever. Ever, you just won't. 1:47:33.080 --> 1:47:35.400 And by the way, some of those experiences are testing 1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:37.519 yourself as a human being. I mean, I was duck 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:41.040 hunting wants people in waiters and a guy had his 1:47:41.080 --> 1:47:44.120 waiter belt. He would liked to wear his dad's waiters 1:47:44.320 --> 1:47:47.960 and he used a waiter belt. Um, he wasn't wearing 1:47:48.040 --> 1:47:50.760 the right so of course he flipped. He's the guy 1:47:50.800 --> 1:47:55.400 who winds up in the canoe flipping. Uh in the 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:59.760 freezing cold water of Canada in October November, where we're 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.000 duck hunting, trying to get the last days of the 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:05.200 season because as the holes as the ice forms, you know, 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:08.880 you get those, you know they're really good hunt because 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:12.600 they're just looking for a little bit of water. And um, 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:15.240 he tipped in a canoe in a big piece of water, 1:48:15.400 --> 1:48:17.000 and we thought he died, by the way, in a 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:19.720 horrible rain and windstorm that came up out of out 1:48:19.720 --> 1:48:22.719 of nowhere. And so you you start talking about testing 1:48:22.720 --> 1:48:26.120 yourself when you see it and I'm not advocating let's 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.720 all make a friend be in a dangerous place. But 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:34.160 I had never had to go. I had never had 1:48:34.200 --> 1:48:39.519 to go save someone's life like that, right. I mean 1:48:39.520 --> 1:48:41.400 I pulled friends out of cars, you know, a car 1:48:41.479 --> 1:48:44.200 crash or something, or you know, drug overdose or things that. 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:48.719 But I'm talking about like you mother nature, friend in trouble, 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:51.960 you know, and you want to learn something about yourself 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:56.280 or the other people around you, go through that experience, 1:48:56.760 --> 1:49:00.120 you know, um, And we saved him and he is 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:03.160 okay because we got to them fast enough, because we 1:49:03.200 --> 1:49:08.080 did the smart stuff going in to that blind where 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:12.160 we took I mean, we didn't want to carry it, 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:16.960 but common wisdom was don't bring one canoe, right, and 1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:21.120 thankfully we had. We had a canoe right with us 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:24.160 that we could jump into and go after him, right. 1:49:24.400 --> 1:49:28.439 And it's you were tested in ways that you will 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:33.200 never be tested any other way in your life. You know, 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:35.680 twist your ankle and you have to get over that 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:38.840 mountain or you have to you know, pack that cheap 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:42.040 up after shooting it. I mean I I almost, I 1:49:42.080 --> 1:49:44.799 mean I almost broke my ankle. That I've never felt 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:49.880 as tested as I did in Hawaii hunting wild sheep 1:49:50.080 --> 1:49:53.599 on the top of a volcano. The ground is uneven, 1:49:53.640 --> 1:49:56.200 there's old lava, so plants. Everything looks like it's flat, 1:49:56.240 --> 1:49:58.960 but it's not. There's an ankle breaking moment every step 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.559 you take, so you have to proceed very slowly, and 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:05.320 so you have to feel dress the animals out there right, 1:50:05.439 --> 1:50:08.080 because it lowers the amount of weight that you're humping 1:50:08.120 --> 1:50:13.360 back uh to the camp and uh. You know. I 1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:15.920 did not think I was up for that, but I 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:19.400 turns out I was capable of it. But I had 1:50:19.439 --> 1:50:22.360 to be pushed by someone else right who said, you 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:26.000 can do this, you can do this. Um, I did 1:50:26.000 --> 1:50:29.120 not think. I did not think that I could, you know, 1:50:29.280 --> 1:50:32.240 And and I would have never learned that. It was 1:50:32.240 --> 1:50:33.720 one of those times where I was like, oh, there's 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:35.559 a lot of stuff I bet I can do that. 1:50:35.640 --> 1:50:38.960 I don't think I can do the The fun hunting 1:50:39.000 --> 1:50:40.920 part of that one is that the species are so 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:45.800 you're shooting from so far away. The sound takes a 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.960 second or two to travel, So if you're a if 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:52.520 you can quickly reposition your rifle, you can take two animals. 1:50:53.920 --> 1:50:55.880 The only graze for a couple of hours in the morning. 1:50:55.880 --> 1:50:58.080 When they do that's there all their water up at 1:50:58.080 --> 1:51:01.400 the top of this volcano during the warm weather months 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:03.920 where it's not snowing, is from the dew on the grass, 1:51:04.120 --> 1:51:05.640 so they eat all the two. You have to go 1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:07.920 to certain places where there's the grass set up far 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:11.960 enough away. And my guide was like, look, you know, 1:51:12.120 --> 1:51:14.400 we don't didn't come all this way to take, you know, 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:17.960 just one animal. So when you shoot, before you pull 1:51:18.000 --> 1:51:20.680 the trigger, know where your second animal is going to be. 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:23.679 And I'm like, they're just gonna bolt. He goes they're 1:51:23.680 --> 1:51:25.679 not gonna bult because they're not going to hear the sound. 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:27.639 And we only hunt here like two days a year, 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:31.080 he said, So those those sheep, those wild mountain sheep, 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:34.880 are the trust me. Just know where your second shot 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:36.599 is going to be. And so I just waited and waited, 1:51:36.600 --> 1:51:38.559 and I had to. They were kind of side by side, 1:51:38.920 --> 1:51:41.000 dip in their head and eating, and I just went 1:51:41.120 --> 1:51:45.559 one to and you know then I'm like, oh, now 1:51:45.600 --> 1:51:47.679 we each have to carry one. And you get down 1:51:47.720 --> 1:51:52.559 there and they're really big. Coming in was hard enough 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:54.880 for me going out. That's why you mess that, because 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:57.000 I'm all like every sheep I mean even even in 1:51:57.080 --> 1:52:02.560 farmyards or whatever. I'm like, oh, sounds a giant. I 1:52:02.560 --> 1:52:09.559 don't know, it's like whatever, little like Mary's little lamb. Heavy, heavy, 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:12.880 And of course, of course my first my first thought is, 1:52:13.240 --> 1:52:16.639 you know, how how am I getting this out of here? 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:20.559 And I I didn't put it together that oh, we're 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:21.960 going to share the car in the meat, and he's 1:52:21.960 --> 1:52:24.559 going to make a sled with the skin of one animal, 1:52:24.960 --> 1:52:27.240 and we're gonna get to a certain point and then 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:30.679 we'll carry it when we can't anymore because of the terrain. 1:52:30.920 --> 1:52:34.360 And we wound up cooking it in a well. He 1:52:34.439 --> 1:52:38.080 smoked it in a homemade smoking box that he made 1:52:38.160 --> 1:52:41.840 with sticks and green branches to sort of seal it 1:52:41.920 --> 1:52:45.120 up with a really low fire underneath. He said, yeah, 1:52:45.160 --> 1:52:46.960 we got to cook it for five or six hours. 1:52:47.000 --> 1:52:49.639 And I'm like, okay, and I'm like, can we take 1:52:49.720 --> 1:52:52.479 one piece of meat and kind of lower it closer 1:52:52.520 --> 1:52:55.160 to the rill it up And he's like, no, we 1:52:55.200 --> 1:52:57.120 have to smoke at all, because this is the meat. 1:52:57.520 --> 1:52:59.719 We have to give half of it to the tribal 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:01.639 pep bull on whose land where you know, there's there's 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:05.240 a there's a thing, there's a there's a thing we're 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:09.920 doing here, and you know, the network note is, uh, 1:53:10.080 --> 1:53:12.640 why didn't Andrew eat any of the grilled meat? So 1:53:12.680 --> 1:53:15.759 that we had two different taste explanations and two different tastes. 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:19.719 It's like, because we're violating ten thousand years of their 1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:23.519 tribal history and we wouldn't do that, and that they 1:53:23.520 --> 1:53:27.599 had a hard time understanding that. Tell uh, tell folks 1:53:27.640 --> 1:53:29.120 what you're working on now, because I know you've got 1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:32.120 a few handful projects going on. I do. Um. You know, 1:53:32.360 --> 1:53:36.479 I after years and years and years of telling stories 1:53:36.520 --> 1:53:39.880 like this at dinner party, well making TV about it, 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:43.679 but you know, telling stories about it. I met someone 1:53:43.720 --> 1:53:48.000 in Minnesota who invited me ice fishing. Uh. That was 1:53:48.360 --> 1:53:51.759 you know, one of the people who runs Outdoor Channel 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:55.559 and he said you should really do you cook all 1:53:55.600 --> 1:53:57.320 that stuff? And I'm like, well, of course I do. 1:53:57.680 --> 1:54:00.479 And he goes, well, I said, look I don't. I 1:54:00.479 --> 1:54:05.679 don't do stand Inster TV. Uh And he goes, well, 1:54:05.920 --> 1:54:10.439 our viewers really like Standinster TV. And he saw some 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:12.519 of the stuff that my production company was making and 1:54:12.560 --> 1:54:14.040 they said, do you want to do this show? And 1:54:14.040 --> 1:54:18.320 I said sure. So you know, Wild Game Kitchen got 1:54:18.400 --> 1:54:23.080 birthed from that in Premier September nineteen. Really excited about it. 1:54:23.080 --> 1:54:26.800 We're gonna try to do some crossover stuff with Kevin, uh, 1:54:27.000 --> 1:54:31.280 which would be fun because we're full disclosure. Uh, we 1:54:31.400 --> 1:54:33.320 dated for a long time before he got married and 1:54:33.320 --> 1:54:38.280 I got We've been friends for a while, and it's 1:54:38.360 --> 1:54:40.080 it's great to be able to share those kind of 1:54:40.120 --> 1:54:43.440 things with people and just be a blast. Um. But yes, 1:54:43.520 --> 1:54:47.280 that's happening. I'm working on. I've waited to do a 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:51.440 cookbook my whole life, to sort of structure it in 1:54:51.440 --> 1:54:53.720 a certain ways so that the cooking has to deal 1:54:53.760 --> 1:54:57.000 with the time periods in my life. Um, and it 1:54:57.080 --> 1:54:58.720 is kind of structured different ways. So I had the 1:54:58.720 --> 1:55:01.120 ways he got old enough to have enough. That's exactly right, 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:04.120 That's exactly right. And I also I'm not a cookbook 1:55:04.200 --> 1:55:07.040 guy in the sense that some people can you know, 1:55:07.120 --> 1:55:09.120 have five cookbooks in them where every year they're going 1:55:09.160 --> 1:55:13.560 to come out with a cookbook. Um, that's not my thing, right. UM. 1:55:13.800 --> 1:55:15.920 I tell stories in different ways, but I knew I 1:55:15.960 --> 1:55:19.920 had one great one. So let's just fire that. Let's 1:55:20.000 --> 1:55:24.280 use that powder, you know, at the best time possible, right, Um, 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.440 And when are you releasing that so that I don't 1:55:26.480 --> 1:55:29.680 release the same time that heads up and be helpful. 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:33.240 All right, Well I'll let you know. UM, yeah, it's 1:55:33.240 --> 1:55:36.800 gonna be it's gonna be really special. Um. And I 1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:39.880 can imagine something that's real special that you should do 1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:43.840 that also going to go on to um be very 1:55:43.960 --> 1:55:50.400 useful for you would be a compilation of compliments that 1:55:50.480 --> 1:55:55.919 you've delivered off of Iron Chef. I mean, we're talking 1:55:56.040 --> 1:56:00.680 about a skill unto itself. It is, it is beyond 1:56:00.920 --> 1:56:04.400 it's it's tertiary level deepness that you just can't get into. 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:07.280 I appreciate that. It's just being old and not dying 1:56:07.360 --> 1:56:10.000 and having a decent vocabulary and reading a lot and 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:16.440 listening to people. You're bringing chefs to tears, like let 1:56:16.440 --> 1:56:18.560 me tell you about what you just well I just 1:56:18.560 --> 1:56:20.800 put in my mouth, you know something that it's you know, 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:23.640 I mean, Iron Chef. The ratings were fantastic. It was 1:56:23.960 --> 1:56:26.280 it's still top ten for kids. It was top ten, 1:56:27.040 --> 1:56:29.200 you know, past the magic mark of two weeks. So 1:56:29.240 --> 1:56:32.840 I'm assuming Top Chef, sorry, Iron Chef, will be uh, 1:56:33.040 --> 1:56:36.640 we'll be picked up again, and I'm assuming I'll be 1:56:36.680 --> 1:56:39.120 a part of it, you know, for right now, I 1:56:39.160 --> 1:56:42.480 can't imagine a world in which I'm not the Uh 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:45.120 that's a hard seat to give up. Well, it's not 1:56:45.200 --> 1:56:48.000 me giving up, it's it's it's networks and stuff sometimes 1:56:48.120 --> 1:56:52.320 make really crazy decisions like wow, that was great, Andrews incredible, 1:56:52.400 --> 1:56:55.120 But we're gonna wrote we want to rotate people. I mean, 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:58.880 I'm sure there's that conversation gets had. It doesn't mean 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:01.400 that that person who says it isn't either applauded or 1:57:01.440 --> 1:57:04.200 shot down. I don't know which. And and I'd like 1:57:04.320 --> 1:57:07.880 to think that my um my being on that show 1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:12.200 helped make it, in a small way, a little bit 1:57:12.240 --> 1:57:15.120 of his success. And I've heard from people that they 1:57:15.160 --> 1:57:17.400 believe that. So I'm going to assume I'm doing it again. 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:21.800 Um But the important I mean, the moments occurred to 1:57:21.840 --> 1:57:24.640 me simply because it goes back to being out in 1:57:24.640 --> 1:57:27.400 the world and seeing Ship one of the chefs who 1:57:27.400 --> 1:57:29.280 was on the show. I don't want to ruin it 1:57:29.360 --> 1:57:33.920 for people, but heav Ang among chefs from Minnesota, his family, 1:57:34.720 --> 1:57:38.600 among our tribal people. Uh. They live in the several 1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:41.920 areas where Thailand, Vietnam and Laos all come together. They're 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:44.640 a hill people, their tribal they're an ethnic group. They've 1:57:44.680 --> 1:57:51.320 never had they've never had their own Hey, what's up, Yeah, Yang, 1:57:51.400 --> 1:57:53.520 I'm pointing out the thing you sent us to, the 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:57.520 embroidery of young of Mong activities. Love it. So the 1:57:57.600 --> 1:58:01.160 largest population of Moong in America are in the Twin Cities. 1:58:01.560 --> 1:58:04.920 And so you know, I've gotten to know a lot 1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:08.440 of these folks really really well. Uh yeah, who's a 1:58:08.520 --> 1:58:13.200 chef and restaurateur and a phenomenal culinarian. Was born in 1:58:13.200 --> 1:58:17.960 a refugee camp and he came on iron chef and 1:58:18.000 --> 1:58:21.200 instead of cooking like, oh, three Moong dishes and I'm 1:58:21.200 --> 1:58:23.839 gonna show you that I can cook Italian food too, 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:29.560 he made five Mong dishes, knowing, by the way. And 1:58:29.760 --> 1:58:31.840 I can start crying thinking about it, because I know 1:58:33.520 --> 1:58:36.920 he knew that that was not necessarily the way to win. 1:58:37.760 --> 1:58:40.880 In other words, Okay, I'm not doing a dessert. You 1:58:40.920 --> 1:58:43.840 don't get knocked for that. But Mung food, for anyone 1:58:43.880 --> 1:58:48.000 who's eating it, has a limited number of ingredients and flavors. 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:50.440 So if you're just cooking that food and someone else 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:55.280 is doing more things more ways, based on the judging criteria, 1:58:55.480 --> 1:58:58.600 you're at risk unless that other person makes a mistake. 1:58:59.560 --> 1:59:03.880 But he, I think understood the moment, and no one 1:59:03.920 --> 1:59:05.880 else was calling it out. And it may be because 1:59:06.000 --> 1:59:08.360 I live in a place where the mung live, or 1:59:08.400 --> 1:59:10.720 maybe I've just been out in the world and seeing 1:59:10.760 --> 1:59:15.440 more marginalized human beings than other people have um and 1:59:16.680 --> 1:59:19.280 I brought up I just got everyone to stop, and 1:59:19.280 --> 1:59:21.280 they left in the show, but I essentially got the 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:23.960 room to stop and just said, this is the first 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:27.120 time mung food has ever been cooked on international television, 1:59:27.560 --> 1:59:32.320 first time ever, And so what that says about inclusiveness, 1:59:32.320 --> 1:59:37.720 and what that says about how we combat those who 1:59:37.720 --> 1:59:41.200 would not want to celebrate our diversity, what that says 1:59:41.240 --> 1:59:44.879 about how we accept marginalized people, and how we shouldn't 1:59:45.200 --> 1:59:48.080 be continuing to do that. Because the food was spectacular 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:52.080 and what he showed was spectacular, and he took the heat. 1:59:52.240 --> 1:59:55.840 He used that opportunity to showcase not himself but his 1:59:56.000 --> 2:00:01.200 culture's food, and I thought that was just the coolest 2:00:01.240 --> 2:00:03.760 thing I've seen in a competition cooking show ever. To 2:00:03.880 --> 2:00:06.080 not have the ego to say I want to win. 2:00:06.120 --> 2:00:08.360 He said, I may win because the other person makes 2:00:08.360 --> 2:00:11.040 a mistake one of their dishes. Doesn't get plated. You're 2:00:11.080 --> 2:00:13.480 I mean, you're down your point, but right, so, I 2:00:13.480 --> 2:00:16.760 mean there's no coming back from that. But he's it's 2:00:16.760 --> 2:00:20.040 more important to cook my culture's food. And I think 2:00:20.040 --> 2:00:23.240 things like that are are absolutely mind boggedly That's that's 2:00:23.280 --> 2:00:26.320 the stuff that's important, uh to me. By the way, 2:00:26.360 --> 2:00:29.440 we were all things because I know we're running out 2:00:29.480 --> 2:00:32.600 of time. All things for are available at Andrew Zimmer 2:00:32.720 --> 2:00:35.120 dot com. My my new sub stack. I think is 2:00:35.160 --> 2:00:37.920 really cool. The book is gonna be really cool. Iron 2:00:38.000 --> 2:00:43.320 Chef's gonna be cool. I'm shooting another uh six episodes 2:00:43.320 --> 2:00:46.960 of Family Dinner starting in a week or two on Magnolia. 2:00:47.640 --> 2:00:50.800 UM and and probably most important for me at this 2:00:50.840 --> 2:00:53.160 point in my life because at some point, you know, 2:00:53.680 --> 2:00:57.480 TV is gonna stop, right. But the the other things 2:00:57.520 --> 2:01:00.640 that I'm doing, I'm I'm a member of the International 2:01:00.720 --> 2:01:04.480 Rescue Committee, which Einstein founded in ninety nine, and I'm 2:01:04.480 --> 2:01:08.160 the international voice of nutrition UH for them. David miliband, 2:01:08.240 --> 2:01:11.120 Tony Blair's old Secretary of State runs the i r C. 2:01:11.800 --> 2:01:15.640 And UM I've been able to work extensively uh with 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:19.760 them and going with them to a few African countries. UH. 2:01:19.920 --> 2:01:24.040 Next year, I was blessed enough to be honored with 2:01:24.160 --> 2:01:28.280 being the United Nations World Food Program Global Ambassadorship. So 2:01:28.280 --> 2:01:30.000 I'm doing a lot of work with them. They're the 2:01:30.080 --> 2:01:34.480 largest relief organization in the world, um, and they they 2:01:34.520 --> 2:01:38.320 have the distribution and the people power to make a really, really, 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:41.320 really big difference. So I'm I'm excited to be working 2:01:41.320 --> 2:01:43.760 with them. And you know, a lot of the other 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:46.959 social justice stuff that I'm doing around food is changing 2:01:47.560 --> 2:01:49.800 and morphing because kind of the older you get, there's 2:01:49.840 --> 2:01:52.040 that sweet spot window where I've been doing it long 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:55.640 enough that now I can like actually talk to congressman 2:01:55.640 --> 2:01:58.360 and senators and spend more time in d C lobbying, 2:01:58.920 --> 2:02:00.920 uh and arm twisting for the issues that I think 2:02:00.920 --> 2:02:03.920 are important, like the ones we talked about getting people 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:06.360 to be able to spend time outdoors and preserving our 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:09.960 natural world. So, um, it's a it's a cool thing. 2:02:09.960 --> 2:02:12.600 It's a great time. I'm not slowing down, I mean, 2:02:12.640 --> 2:02:15.640 that's that's for sure. I'm the you know, I just 2:02:15.680 --> 2:02:18.080 turned sixty one, and I'm proud of that because in 2:02:18.120 --> 2:02:21.960 my mind I'm like thirty, you know, and behaviorally i'm 2:02:21.960 --> 2:02:25.520 either thirteen or eight, depending on I have some clothes 2:02:25.560 --> 2:02:28.640 for it because I can be I suffer from infantilism, 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:35.200 which you know means I'm extremely immature. Uh just for 2:02:35.400 --> 2:02:40.080 good solid a couple hours every day, um and uh. 2:02:40.520 --> 2:02:43.160 But as I get older, I I've been able to 2:02:43.240 --> 2:02:46.320 challenge some of my energies away from just the TV 2:02:46.560 --> 2:02:49.720 book sort of me me me is um and and 2:02:49.800 --> 2:02:53.360 try to do a little more US US US work. 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:55.960 And I think that's I think that's a very natural 2:02:56.600 --> 2:03:02.280 progression for human beings. That's solid. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. 2:03:03.640 --> 2:03:06.200 Thanks for coming on the show. Oh this was a 2:03:06.200 --> 2:03:11.680 a bucket list cross off item. Well, I mean, I've 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.920 known Kevin for a long time. You and I have 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:17.800 have we've met once before, but known each other for 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:21.360 a long time and obviously have had a lot of 2:03:21.360 --> 2:03:25.200 different paths of ours cross and traverse over the years. 2:03:25.360 --> 2:03:29.520 But I'm I'm such a huge admirer of of people 2:03:29.640 --> 2:03:33.920 who do the right things with their platform, no matter 2:03:33.920 --> 2:03:37.440 how bigger, how small, And I've I've publicly said that 2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:40.160 for those who have been lucky enough to get a 2:03:40.160 --> 2:03:44.640 slightly larger platform, if they wasted it, to me, there's 2:03:44.680 --> 2:03:49.160 nothing sadder. There's nothing sadder than someone wasting their their platform. 2:03:49.200 --> 2:03:52.640 And from the very beginning, as your career started to 2:03:52.640 --> 2:03:55.840 get traction and the world started to respond to you 2:03:56.200 --> 2:03:58.360 the way they've responded to you, you have used your 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:02.120 platform for so many incredible good things. I'm such an 2:04:02.120 --> 2:04:05.879 admirer reviewers, I'm such a big fan of your content. 2:04:05.920 --> 2:04:09.240 But I'm I'm I'm a bigger more than I like 2:04:09.360 --> 2:04:13.200 your content. I like what goes on between your ears 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:17.520 because you've made a commitment to to to be yourself 2:04:17.560 --> 2:04:21.320 and create that platform to inspire other people and shown 2:04:21.360 --> 2:04:24.880 folks that you can change things with what you do. 2:04:25.040 --> 2:04:27.720 You can change hearts and minds, and you can educate 2:04:27.760 --> 2:04:29.800 and have fun at the same I called it adventure learning. 2:04:29.920 --> 2:04:32.720 I'm a big proponent of adventure learning, and I can't 2:04:32.760 --> 2:04:36.720 think of anyone who defines that with what they do, 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:39.000 not with what they say, but with what they do, 2:04:39.080 --> 2:04:42.000 more than you. So this was a big bucketlet that 2:04:42.080 --> 2:04:45.160 the ask came in. I don't know what about chasing 2:04:45.200 --> 2:04:48.120 down other people, but when someone mentioned to me that 2:04:48.160 --> 2:04:50.160 I had the opportunity to do this, I said yes 2:04:50.280 --> 2:04:54.800 right away because there was zero hesitation. Well, thank you 2:04:54.880 --> 2:04:58.000 for the very generous compliments. That's what cal was talking about, 2:04:58.040 --> 2:04:59.600 like that was a perfect example of we all just 2:04:59.680 --> 2:05:02.640 went time. Is that what you were talking about that? 2:05:05.240 --> 2:05:07.960 I'm solid, I'm good, but thanks, but it's very kind 2:05:08.000 --> 2:05:10.080 of you. It's the truth. It's all I do is 2:05:10.160 --> 2:05:13.360 tell the truth. And now he's going to be really 2:05:13.400 --> 2:05:17.040 mean to you during trivia. Yeah, now you get to 2:05:17.040 --> 2:05:20.680 watch the bloodthirst come in. Said, I hope he doesn't. 2:05:21.440 --> 2:05:23.120 I think you're gonna do good. No, I don't know. 2:05:23.400 --> 2:05:26.560 It depends what the questions are. Just here. He's got 2:05:26.600 --> 2:05:29.400 this theory that being old is an advantage. That's why 2:05:29.440 --> 2:05:33.600 me and Brody dominate. Okay, um, let me give an 2:05:33.640 --> 2:05:36.560 oar tip. Okay, most of the answers you don't actually 2:05:36.600 --> 2:05:38.960 know the answer. It's a good guess. You just figure 2:05:39.040 --> 2:05:42.040 what you figure into. Okay, so you got a lot 2:05:42.040 --> 2:05:44.960 of things. You've got a lot of things to figure from. Okay, 2:05:45.160 --> 2:05:47.200 we're like, well, it wouldn't be that. That wouldn't make No, 2:05:47.320 --> 2:05:49.360 that's like any other like the S A T. S 2:05:49.760 --> 2:05:55.000 that I cheated on. Anyway, Yeah, let's go get Spencer. Ye, everybody, 2:05:55.080 --> 2:05:57.360 let's listen. Thank you Andrew Zimmer and thank you so much. 2:05:57.480 --> 2:06:00.520 My pleasure. 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