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Speaker 1: good at trivia. You know you're playing trivia with us.
Speaker 1: I heard about that afterwards. Um. I don't think you'll win,
Speaker 1: but I think you're good. Here's here's the great thing
Speaker 1: I think you'll do. Here's here's here's the great thing.
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Speaker 1: your life, if you have lived, if you have if
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Speaker 1: self esteem that really you're not scared of anything. So
Speaker 1: if you fail at something, it's it's unimportant. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to me if I didn't answer any of them.
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Speaker 1: if I don't care if I embarrassed. I don't care
Speaker 1: if I embarrass myself anymore. But you have you have
Speaker 1: a professional amount of of pride and expertise on the
Speaker 1: line if we're playing an outdoors based trivia or a game.
Speaker 1: Is that a nice way of saying Steve as a
Speaker 1: fragile ego. No, it's it's a it's a nice way.
Speaker 1: It's a nice way of saying, there's more pressure on
Speaker 1: you guys, Like if I want to okay, let's say
Speaker 1: I was to go. Let's say Andrew has a show
Speaker 1: and they have a culinary uh world culinary trivia show.
Speaker 1: You might do pretty good. Well I go on the show.
Speaker 1: He would probably say to me, I think you'll do okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll win, right, I think you'll get
Speaker 1: a three or four. I don't know that. Andrew would
Speaker 1: say that he's nicer than you. Stay. Oh, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do here, man, I'm just trying to drum up expectations,
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Speaker 1: know how like in in world wrestling, like the pro wrestling,
Speaker 1: they take like whole Cogan and the other guy and
Speaker 1: they have like the meeting before to promote the thing.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to. Let me tell you, that's
Speaker 1: trying to me is no longer with us. And I
Speaker 1: grew up watching through the years, through the years. It's uh,
Speaker 1: I love wrestling. When I was a little, little little kid,
Speaker 1: you had to buy the magazines and then wait a
Speaker 1: week till Saturday and and watch pro wrestling. Remember do
Speaker 1: you remember having I remember having honest to God debates
Speaker 1: with kids when I was like in elementary school about
Speaker 1: whether it was real or not. I'm not buying it,
Speaker 1: you mean, what do you mean? It was very real
Speaker 1: to me for a very long time until I started
Speaker 1: to see you know, like the the and me no
Speaker 1: disrespect to little people. But the minute they put in
Speaker 1: like at the time they called them midgets right and
Speaker 1: you know, Skilo Low and little Beaver, and I realized, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not only disrespectful to little people. It may
Speaker 1: just struck me as being wrong, but it's also disrespectful
Speaker 1: to native Like the whole thing kind of struck me,
Speaker 1: is is not right? And then I started to sniff
Speaker 1: things out and then I was like now, and it
Speaker 1: started dawn on me at age like eleven twelve that
Speaker 1: my love of the sport needed to change a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it and it and it did. But it still
Speaker 1: didn't mean that I wasn't obsessed with Milmascarris coming off
Speaker 1: the top rope. Well maybe after the trivia thing, you
Speaker 1: pro Russell. I love it. I'll get a folding chair.
Speaker 1: I've done it, have done, have you? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: But most funny, once in a a while there's a wrestling
Speaker 1: match on, like a video shoot. Yeah, yeah, I like
Speaker 1: doing it. Here's a thinker for you guys, all you
Speaker 1: listeners out there. Hack saw Jim Dugan. He got to
Speaker 1: bring a two by four into the arena because he
Speaker 1: incorporated would into his name. Basically, that's all I could
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Speaker 1: the Landing Zone jacket, the Tundra net Gator which is sweet,
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Speaker 1: the like the conditions I'm wearing each piece in and
Speaker 1: kind of talking about some of the features of these jackets.
Speaker 1: There's some like ridiculous thinking that went into these even
Speaker 1: like one specific feature, right is the casting stripe on
Speaker 1: the underside of the arms for casting your dog. Little
Speaker 1: things like that. We break down why all these pieces
Speaker 1: are the way they are, what's casting sorry, casting stripe
Speaker 1: is for casting your dog on hand signals right, for
Speaker 1: for directing your dogs. Underside of your arm is a
Speaker 1: visible bar. So when you're telling your dog, like Cal's
Speaker 1: super dog, you to point, snap, yell like what that
Speaker 1: what do you yelling? You can tell them a direction
Speaker 1: over and that's dog stops or that dog will run
Speaker 1: out and be kind of lost her minute. He's like
Speaker 1: stops and stares at Cal. Cal does the hand signal,
Speaker 1: points his arm, what way it goes, and that's something.
Speaker 1: It goes in that direction, which happens to be like
Speaker 1: the best feeling is the best tool. What color is that?
Speaker 1: I mean, is it like just so they can see it? Good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know that type. I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny when you think about it. The whole point of
Speaker 1: the jackets to be camo and then you're standing again
Speaker 1: and the dogs like where the hell is he? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: so under the arm there's black. Hold your arm out
Speaker 1: and you got like a directional bar. Further the dog
Speaker 1: gets away, the bigger you need to become. Typically if
Speaker 1: you gotta do the hand signals. Yeah, dude, there's nothing
Speaker 1: worse than most dogs. But like nothing worse than most dogs.
Speaker 1: But the dogs that are dialed are just cool. Man.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a bunch of dial dogs her rubies
Speaker 1: kicking butt. How's your dog doing, Sean Cases doing well.
Speaker 1: I don't want to jinx it right because a guy
Speaker 1: that talks up his dog a dog, I'm happy, never
Speaker 1: talked about your own dog, never talked dog. I'm considering
Speaker 1: training my first dog. Persistency. That's that's the whole, that's
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think I have the time now
Speaker 1: and I think I finally have the dog, and I'm
Speaker 1: super super excited about it. It's a Lagatta Romanolo. It's
Speaker 1: an Italian water dog. But did those have like the white?
Speaker 1: But it's very good, very good. But you are good
Speaker 1: at trivia. But she's she is, believe me. As the
Speaker 1: only sixty one year old New York City Jew at
Speaker 1: the table, I figured it had to be something right on.
Speaker 1: But the I finally have the dog that as a
Speaker 1: she's five months old, but she she's kind of a natural.
Speaker 1: So just slowly doing stuff with her at the house.
Speaker 1: I broke my leg and fractured my ankle in April,
Speaker 1: so I've had a lot of time. And it was
Speaker 1: the day she arrived. She was actually the cause of
Speaker 1: me slipping falling and was chasing out the house. And
Speaker 1: so there's a bond between the shot and well, this
Speaker 1: is what I think is the spiritual pay. I think
Speaker 1: the universe is like I saved her, uh, which is
Speaker 1: how I see it. And uh, then did my suffering,
Speaker 1: my forty years in the desert for her and now
Speaker 1: exactly and now she is going to pay it back
Speaker 1: to me. And but this this dog will like at
Speaker 1: a very young age, will obey commands and roots out
Speaker 1: stuff that is unbelievable to me, where her older brother,
Speaker 1: same parents a year apart is completely inefficient, fantastic to
Speaker 1: couch dog. But that's where it ends with Luca Clemmy
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. Yeah, you know, like pro trainers that
Speaker 1: are that are then a lot of dogs under under
Speaker 1: their watch. A lot of times it averages out to
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes a day of of of real training. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of fundamentals that other folks
Speaker 1: will jump in there on. So I mean twenty minutes
Speaker 1: a day and then the constant reinforcement of just the
Speaker 1: normal good behavior set stay come yep, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not asking that much of your time, and she wants
Speaker 1: when I say natural is I've never done this before,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to study it. And and she will
Speaker 1: go anything that moves in the backgroud. She doesn't go
Speaker 1: right after it right away, but she kind of stays
Speaker 1: and watches it. And if if you see her watching something,
Speaker 1: it's an animal. When we live way out in the
Speaker 1: country in Minnesota, and so there's tons of stuff out
Speaker 1: there for her, and the only thing that she's obsessed
Speaker 1: right now with actually going after that. We've taught her
Speaker 1: very quickly not to eat our frogs because they come
Speaker 1: up out of the lake and they're breeding, and she
Speaker 1: sees these little things in the grass, especially at night
Speaker 1: when it's hot, and they come out, and she's just
Speaker 1: like going nuts. It's like, stop eating the frogs. But
Speaker 1: she's she's got that down. So I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: I have faith in her. I just you know, we
Speaker 1: my life there in terms of local you know, hunting
Speaker 1: is you know, duck, geese, pheasants, and grouse. That's it.
Speaker 1: And well, you know, if that's all you have, that's
Speaker 1: all we have. Just yet the things I love too,
Speaker 1: hopefully I can because to share that with the dog
Speaker 1: is THEO. I was getting back to your point about
Speaker 1: that moment where in the field, and it's an important moment,
Speaker 1: and it happens and it works out is an unbelievable
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship. And shut up. Very fulfilling, keeps us going on.
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip for parents. You know, Brody,
Speaker 1: we should have put this in the Outdoor Kids in
Speaker 1: an Inside World book. You know, I was gonna mention
Speaker 1: that book when he was talking about eight to twelve
Speaker 1: year old. So we're writing a book for those kids too.
Speaker 1: We wrote a book about kids, and now I write
Speaker 1: aboot four kids, the book about kids, Outdoor Kids in
Speaker 1: an Inside World, which is great. I wish we had
Speaker 1: I redecked my snowbill trailer. So I took the old
Speaker 1: rot and plywood off and putting new plywood down and
Speaker 1: found some good leaned him up against the garden fence.
Speaker 1: And that inspired me to go dig out the ninja
Speaker 1: throwing stars, which we hadn't used in a while. Man,
Speaker 1: if you got kids, give him some ninja throwing stars,
Speaker 1: teach them how to makes ninja. Yeah, well, the Chinese
Speaker 1: throwing stars. I have no idea why they must have
Speaker 1: said China stamped in market, but let me give you
Speaker 1: a tip when you go to buy one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was showing my kid how a real ninja holds him
Speaker 1: last night. I ad, it's hard to throw a real ninja.
Speaker 1: He's like, are the real ninjas. I'm like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: they were like assassins and burglars years ago. So it's
Speaker 1: starting to really doubt Karen's martial arts credit. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's throwing stars na accent. My wife
Speaker 1: calls it that multi prong throwing. So all. They're fun,
Speaker 1: but I don't like Amazon doesn't sell them. I think
Speaker 1: like safety concerns. We used to make them in shop,
Speaker 1: I know, but they're no good. You know. That's that's
Speaker 1: what's up next for him. The gaslene powered sharp thing.
Speaker 1: Good for your kids. These dude, they love throwing stars. Uh.
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of things you gotta go to.
Speaker 1: You gotta go to ninja supply houses. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't get them go to a ninja supply ninja supply
Speaker 1: get suckered into the four prongs. That's that's no. You
Speaker 1: need like a six P seven. And then I took
Speaker 1: I took an angle grinder and finally honed the prongs
Speaker 1: on those throwing stars. And then I took blaze orange
Speaker 1: paint because they go yeah off never never Land. So
Speaker 1: I blaze orange painted him, honed him up with an
Speaker 1: angle grinder, and then you know those old rotten sheets
Speaker 1: apply would do hours of fun, hours of fun. Sounds
Speaker 1: pretty good. I remember from a ninja movie they did
Speaker 1: like a train. The ninjas. They take like a string
Speaker 1: and tie like a washer on it and let it
Speaker 1: swing in front of the target. And you gotta get
Speaker 1: so good that you can flop pin the string to
Speaker 1: the board. You know what I never bought in those movies,
Speaker 1: even as a kid, was like a ninja would he
Speaker 1: would throw your brain paint like hit you in the
Speaker 1: chest and the guy would just fall over dead, stone cold.
Speaker 1: If you more like you were like for because more
Speaker 1: what you would say? If ye just my ninja star?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you nuts? So much fun? Um? Oh
Speaker 1: the James Webb. This stuff is like I can't be
Speaker 1: looking at James Webb telescope. We'll put that on my
Speaker 1: radar the other day. I can't we looked this morning
Speaker 1: at the one. It ruins your whole day. So well,
Speaker 1: those those first deep space ones from Hubble. However, many
Speaker 1: years ago, the first time I saw that, I had
Speaker 1: like my first real existential moment, like dizzy and almost
Speaker 1: passed out, just like I didn't think of the vastness
Speaker 1: of the universe. I woke up being proud that I
Speaker 1: remember it was my anniversary. So I'm just laying there,
Speaker 1: my wife still sleeping. I was laying there being like,
Speaker 1: I am gonna rap by saying happy anniversary. Then I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I hope you don't forget it sleeps much longer. You're like,
Speaker 1: just but I missed her birthday twice, which just still
Speaker 1: haunts me. So I don't know if I've ever forgotten
Speaker 1: that anniversary. One day, we got the day wrong, went
Speaker 1: out to dinner, didn't realize until later that was the
Speaker 1: wrong day, but I remembered anyways, And then when she
Speaker 1: woke up, we're looking at the James Web Space telescope things,
Speaker 1: and there's that like deep field photo thousands of galaxies. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that like some of them being like the Sun's
Speaker 1: light takes is eight or thirteen minutes to get here.
Speaker 1: The Sun's light takes eight minutes to get here. Galaxies
Speaker 1: that are two hundred and ninety light years away. So
Speaker 1: if you turned on a flashlight on one of them planets,
Speaker 1: the light would get here in two hundred and ninety years.
Speaker 1: If you turned on the light at the Sun, it
Speaker 1: would be here in eight minutes. There are I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there's dude sitting around writing books and whatnot. There
Speaker 1: are definitely things more planets than there are grains of
Speaker 1: sand on Earth. And then what is all that ship
Speaker 1: doing out there? That's what I don't like to think of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just too much. Gasoline is expensive, and then you
Speaker 1: see that picture. It doesn't matter. There are many different
Speaker 1: types of measuring contests in this world, and the uh
Speaker 1: the headline that made me laugh thinking about this measuring
Speaker 1: contest that we put ourselves in is uh first pictures
Speaker 1: with web telescope, like deepest view of space ever recorded,
Speaker 1: like very first ones. And I just imagined that there
Speaker 1: was somebody sitting around being like I told you, so,
Speaker 1: I told you there's no way, no way that we
Speaker 1: are in aimless rock hurdling nowhere, doing nothing, circling an
Speaker 1: average of the Our son is a G two star, right,
Speaker 1: the most average of all types of stars. So to
Speaker 1: think that of all these billions trillions of we just don't.
Speaker 1: The vastness is unbelievable, right, because that's more that we're
Speaker 1: the only one that is supporting life is ludicrous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, but ludicrous. I think I've sewn this up
Speaker 1: for and I don't want to take too much time
Speaker 1: on it. But you know the physiologists Jared Diamond, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a white whale for this podcast never did
Speaker 1: get him on do we No, I should circle back.
Speaker 1: I just bought a bunch of his books, The New
Speaker 1: White Whales Ron. I've tried to go through high level,
Speaker 1: high level contacts and can't get a call back from
Speaker 1: Ron to santis and then Jared Jared Diamond. So in
Speaker 1: his book about human history, he in the and he
Speaker 1: talks about what about other people coming and hanging out?
Speaker 1: And he gets to this interesting idea, uh that like
Speaker 1: if you imagine the Earth's the way he describes it,
Speaker 1: if you imagine the Earth timeline as your arms spread out. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Earth timeline is fingertip a fingertip, you could
Speaker 1: remove human history with one stroke of a nail file.
Speaker 1: That's actually John McPhee observation. But that's what human history
Speaker 1: is so as long as the Earth's been here, human
Speaker 1: history is a stroke of a nail file, and then
Speaker 1: you can take that off the timeline. So when he
Speaker 1: gets into is this idea that like, if you have
Speaker 1: a four billion year old planet, okay, and you have
Speaker 1: a human history, that's the stroke of a nail file,
Speaker 1: and then those people can transmit electronic signals for a
Speaker 1: couple hundred years. You're talking about a tremendous coincidence for
Speaker 1: other planets to sort of like launch a life form
Speaker 1: that becomes where it has aspiration similar to ours. Then
Speaker 1: it's particular timeline and it's aspirations and it's technological capabilities
Speaker 1: somehow coincide with ours. It's not like is it out there,
Speaker 1: but it's like where is it in their time? Like
Speaker 1: where is it? And and does all things go in
Speaker 1: this direction? That's where it becomes even more fascinating, and
Speaker 1: that's where it starts to narrow itself down a little bit.
Speaker 1: But in so many zillions quadrillions of opportunities, right, but
Speaker 1: just the idea of life on another planet, even a
Speaker 1: life form that may not be able to communicate with
Speaker 1: us because of their timeline, Because it's like the most
Speaker 1: advancing is the earthworm. There's stuff or whatever. There's stuff
Speaker 1: out there. There is stuff out there well. And then
Speaker 1: also going back to your original point, like consider that
Speaker 1: maybe there does come the day that we do finally
Speaker 1: get that transmission, but it came from so far away
Speaker 1: that that civilization they don't exist anymore, that's right there,
Speaker 1: long since gone. So they sent it, and then it's
Speaker 1: to send it at their height, and then they're gone, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, and we think so highly of
Speaker 1: ourselves that transmission will come in with like a word misspelled,
Speaker 1: and we'll be like, that might be that's a that's
Speaker 1: a future show for you, man. Planet. We're still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out. We're still trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to feed our populations, whether it's for people for astronauts
Speaker 1: or you know, feeding people for deep space exploration is
Speaker 1: now the really big question mark. And it's fascinating being
Speaker 1: around scientists down in in Houston or Florida at our
Speaker 1: Space Centers California, at the different jet propulsion laboratory facilities.
Speaker 1: And I've had the opportunity to be with some of
Speaker 1: these food scientists who are so insanely smart and just
Speaker 1: just the the engineering to feed people for a deep
Speaker 1: space trip nutritive food that stays nutritive, right, because the
Speaker 1: current way we feed our astronauts it becomes non nutritive.
Speaker 1: And so you know, how do you grow sustain our
Speaker 1: own life on these deep space voyages is something that
Speaker 1: my brain just starts to fizzle out on. But it's
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. Have they watched that Matt Damon movie, Well,
Speaker 1: that's the whole figure out, that's the big jo, right
Speaker 1: that was I saw it and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, we've all heard that. Our kids
Speaker 1: tell us that I was. I can't member who was
Speaker 1: with us? Oh you were? Yeah, Cridinal was there. Um
Speaker 1: when we went a few months ago, we went to
Speaker 1: we had dinner with Rogan and want to watch his
Speaker 1: like I hope not like blowing something for him because
Speaker 1: he's like developing a news show because anyways he's talking
Speaker 1: about someone was he's with someone who's explaining like the
Speaker 1: intricacies of getting people to Mars and all this ship
Speaker 1: and he says, but the whole time the person's explained,
Speaker 1: the man he's just thinking how there's three people. He's like,
Speaker 1: what if one of those guys brings a pistol and
Speaker 1: shoots the other two. It was like it was like
Speaker 1: one off one has a pistol and shoots one of
Speaker 1: them and then himself, and then you're like after they launched,
Speaker 1: So he's like some nomatters check them for guns. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a good one. We've covered this bunch, but I
Speaker 1: want to talk about again Mountain Lions in Connecticut. Speaking
Speaker 1: of mysteries, this is mysterious. You think other planets are mysterious.
Speaker 1: This guy's riled up. So he's got he's got people
Speaker 1: broken into two kinds of people. It's it's it's actually
Speaker 1: not a dude, it's a it's a gal. He's maybe
Speaker 1: one of ten audience members. So one of the ten
Speaker 1: women listens to the show wrote in and she uh
Speaker 1: um this time about there's two kinds of people on
Speaker 1: this planet. I think there's two kinds of people. There's
Speaker 1: people that divide people into two kinds of people. Uh.
Speaker 1: But she's got it that there's two distinct camps. There's
Speaker 1: mountain lion believers, Mountain lion deniers, two kinds of Connecticut.
Speaker 1: That's it. There's no one in the middle. It's like
Speaker 1: I think It's like that everywhere to the Mississippi's people
Speaker 1: who do not know what a mountain lion is, people
Speaker 1: who don't give a ship like the category they fall in.
Speaker 1: So there's mountain lion truthers, those that believe mountain lions
Speaker 1: have an established breeding population statewide, but listen to the terminology,
Speaker 1: because I want the listener to listen to the terminology
Speaker 1: that she is using. Okay, those that believe mountain lions
Speaker 1: have an established breeding population state wide in Connecticut. I
Speaker 1: think that, like, I'm gonna get into the primary question,
Speaker 1: but I'm asking her to listen to what she's saying,
Speaker 1: established breeding population statewide. And mountain lion deniers those that
Speaker 1: believe there is no established breeding population and the annual
Speaker 1: lion sightings are a result of people's inability to distinguish
Speaker 1: a bobcat from a lion. Goes on to state there's
Speaker 1: a recent high profile sighting and a face post Facebook
Speaker 1: post made by the Woodbridge p D acknowledging the sighting.
Speaker 1: So it's police department hasn't happened a while. It's called
Speaker 1: it's quite a stir based on the fact I'm quoting
Speaker 1: and summarizing in a mix of quotes and summarizations based
Speaker 1: on the fact that these sightings have never been substantiated
Speaker 1: by any photos or tracks. Our Wildlife Division insists that
Speaker 1: there is no established breeding population. With so many sightings
Speaker 1: and so many locals of all kinds of lion stories,
Speaker 1: you think that in the age of the smartphone eighty
Speaker 1: by thousands trailer This is more from the non people
Speaker 1: saying smartphones trail cams. You'd catch one um every hunting
Speaker 1: and agriculture facebook pages talking about this new sighting. One
Speaker 1: look through the comments section will show how divided we
Speaker 1: are on this issue. Goes on to say, my main
Speaker 1: question for the lion truthers is if lions really are
Speaker 1: breeding here, why does the Department of Energy and Environmental
Speaker 1: Protection deny their presence. What kind of secret, hidden agenda
Speaker 1: does our underfunded, understaffed, and disorganized little Wildlife division have.
Speaker 1: She's saying, maybe they just want to keep all the
Speaker 1: lions of themselves. Maybe they respond to sightings by going
Speaker 1: out at night, trapping the lions and bringing them to
Speaker 1: their secret underground lion facility for secret testing. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear you discussion. I love how that took
Speaker 1: a hard turn into conspiracy theory. No, No, I think
Speaker 1: she's saying, like, what if it's a common thing, you'll
Speaker 1: commonly like in all these states where this happens, you'll
Speaker 1: commonly here that like like all the time, Oh, fishing
Speaker 1: game knows they're here. They don't want to admit it.
Speaker 1: There's a lit like I want to tackle that from
Speaker 1: it because there is a little bit of of a
Speaker 1: validity too. Um. There are issues at play for states
Speaker 1: to deny they have populations because and this is not conspiracy,
Speaker 1: just like a thing, there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: chance where remember recently, there was a there was a
Speaker 1: bill to try to declare um it was it was
Speaker 1: an e s a deal. It was like it would
Speaker 1: be that if there was a Eastern cougar, if there
Speaker 1: was an Eastern cougar, um, it would be a it
Speaker 1: would be a dead ringer for Endangered Species Act protection. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there is a little like not quite conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: at for state agencies to come out and say, yes,
Speaker 1: we have a very small um at risk breeding population
Speaker 1: of a native large cat, there would probably be a
Speaker 1: conversation about, well, what are you going to do to
Speaker 1: protect that naturally recovered naturally occurring populations and that has
Speaker 1: it would have all kinds of implications that has to
Speaker 1: manage land and other animals. They're gonna be like, what's
Speaker 1: your management plan, right, what's your recovery plan? Okay, so
Speaker 1: there is a foot there is a understandable foot dragging
Speaker 1: on the part of people just to come out and
Speaker 1: a mountain lane gets hit on the side of the
Speaker 1: road and for them to be like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a management plan and a recovery plan and there
Speaker 1: naturally right, is that he typt dollars and resources and
Speaker 1: all the rest. That's what they'd rather just sweeping under
Speaker 1: the rugs that the point reads look the other direction
Speaker 1: or not like or it's what I here's my take
Speaker 1: on it. I take on it is that, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: there are mountain lions running around, but you have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself, what does it mean to say that you
Speaker 1: have an established breeding population. When lions turned up crazy places,
Speaker 1: they're often able to be the you know, through genetic testing.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, it's from a South Dakota Black Hills population,
Speaker 1: which which is what happened what several years ago got
Speaker 1: hit on the road, one struck out and did some
Speaker 1: crazy ship just like in Missouri. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: remember that high profile, somewhat high profile case. A guy
Speaker 1: came home from ball hunting and there was a coyote
Speaker 1: trying to get into his chicken coop. He shoots the coyote. Nope,
Speaker 1: he shot a wolf. From Michigan's up they wander around
Speaker 1: in Missouri. So then does the state of Missouri then say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: let's have a management plan for gray wolves, and then
Speaker 1: five years agoes by. No one ever lays eyes on
Speaker 1: another gray wolf. Oh we we had a case of
Speaker 1: black bear that hopped on a grain barge yep and
Speaker 1: ended up in some place that does not have a
Speaker 1: black bear population. I don't care that, yeah, which apparently
Speaker 1: is like not totally uncommon brutal the bear, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're notorious for wanting to catch free ride somewhere bears exactly.
Speaker 1: That bear gradually almost made his way he wanted to
Speaker 1: get hit, right, but almost made his way to like
Speaker 1: almost ship lucked into a population of black bears in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: which would been cool. So it's like, no one. I
Speaker 1: don't know if any serious individual who looks at like
Speaker 1: wildlife politics and wildlife trends. I don't know any serious
Speaker 1: individual who doesn't think that legitimate wild born mountain lions
Speaker 1: are making their way into the eastern US and showing
Speaker 1: up an unexpected places. And I remember one there was
Speaker 1: one that was hit that had been uh. She had
Speaker 1: lactated and had like there was evidence that she had
Speaker 1: read produced. She hadn't been de claude right, And no
Speaker 1: doubt in places two of these things are coming together
Speaker 1: and reproducing. But um, that isn't the same thing as
Speaker 1: an established breeding population that a state would then go
Speaker 1: in and have a management plan for. UH said on
Speaker 1: behalf of the folks at deep over there in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I gotta work with with these folks, UH tagging um
Speaker 1: or replacing radio colors on on black bears through the
Speaker 1: NSSF one year and that was super awesome. And these
Speaker 1: are just like you find I would say the majority
Speaker 1: of in wildlife agencies and the majority of states that
Speaker 1: they're very dedicated in carrying people. My observation is in
Speaker 1: the state of Connecticut, your wildlife agency people get very
Speaker 1: little time to deal with wildlife because you people that
Speaker 1: have over people the state of Connecticut just keep calling
Speaker 1: it for random crap and they just they don't have
Speaker 1: any time to deal with the animals, but that's what
Speaker 1: they want to do. So but they are dedicated wildlife folks.
Speaker 1: And to Steve's point, you know, we had last year,
Speaker 1: the year before, grizz sighting on the Clearwater River drainage
Speaker 1: in Idaho. Now we know for a fact there's grizz
Speaker 1: that trapes through the Panhandle of Idaho often, but there
Speaker 1: is no evidence of an established grizzly population in that area.
Speaker 1: We know there's established grizzly bears in southern Idaho on
Speaker 1: the you know, the g y e population, greater Yellowstone
Speaker 1: ecosystem population. And I remember Idaho Fishing Game was getting
Speaker 1: some some crap because they said, yes, we're we're acknowledging
Speaker 1: that there was a sighting of like what is believed
Speaker 1: to be a grizzly air in this drainage. Happened to
Speaker 1: be the second year in a row. They were able
Speaker 1: to find tracks that definitely looked like grizzly tracks, and
Speaker 1: they were able to find hair, and then they were
Speaker 1: not going to say this is a grizzly bear until
Speaker 1: they did a DNA analysis on that hair, because as
Speaker 1: Steve just said, there's implement there's larger implications for a
Speaker 1: state agency to say yep, you're right, because then they
Speaker 1: have to change their management to say that this does
Speaker 1: exist here, and it has implications on a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, you're John Q. Fisher folk don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about when they say, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: Grizzy the other day, like almost guaranteed immediate lawsuits too,
Speaker 1: to be like suits like why is it not listed?
Speaker 1: Why have you not fulfilled your management plan? You know, yep,
Speaker 1: there should be no bear hunting here because there's a
Speaker 1: chance that a black bear is going to get grizz
Speaker 1: is gonna get mistaken for a black bear, which does happen.
Speaker 1: So I want to tell this Connecticut and what do
Speaker 1: they call people from Connecticut? Not Connecticut? Can we can
Speaker 1: we push for that for the Connecticut person. Though, here's
Speaker 1: just the last thing I'll say on this subject. Clay
Speaker 1: had an interesting observation with mountain lions showing up in Arkansas, Okay,
Speaker 1: where it got to be like more trail camp pictures,
Speaker 1: more stuff. Event Arkansas used to have a black bear
Speaker 1: biologist one day. One day that biologists became the large
Speaker 1: the state's large carnivore biologists or some such thing like that.
Speaker 1: It was like a very subtle like his per view.
Speaker 1: Suddenly his purview expanded right, and it was sort of
Speaker 1: a Clay took it to be a subtle acknowledgement. Clay
Speaker 1: Brice took it to be a subtle acknowledgement of the
Speaker 1: existence of black panthers, like not just mountain lions, but
Speaker 1: black panthers too. Uh on um marching along toward our
Speaker 1: getting back to our conversation with our esteem guest Andrew
Speaker 1: Zimmer and Sean hit Us with the first Case of
Speaker 1: Homosexual Necrophelian Mallards. That'd great title for a movie. That
Speaker 1: was a band, Oh, that would be a good band.
Speaker 1: Name is the name of one of Carl's bans exactly.
Speaker 1: It will be by the end of the day. First
Speaker 1: case of homosexual necrophilia and Mallards, which is an actual
Speaker 1: paper in the what journal was it? Shaan, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what journal it was in. This guy,
Speaker 1: so this guy C. W. Molliker back in recorded Drake
Speaker 1: Mallard running into the glass of the what must be
Speaker 1: like the Natural History Museum, and he's even gotten pictures
Speaker 1: of it. Here oh yeah he did. He did full
Speaker 1: fledge documentation taking pictures of Cornelius Mullicker. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: a heck of name. Uh. Drake Mallard clides into the glass,
Speaker 1: being chased by another Drake Mallard, falls dead and proceeds
Speaker 1: to get bread. Practically for seventy five minutes. Du documents
Speaker 1: the whole thing, takes pictures, collects the carcasses, the whole bit.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting type of academic journal um and there's
Speaker 1: like a there's like people will get journal journal articles
Speaker 1: off just like a crazy observation, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: you'll publish like people will publish an observation. And he
Speaker 1: took six years to publish it because he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is something I really want
Speaker 1: to deal with. And he ended up winning like a
Speaker 1: satirical science award. It's called the ig Nobel Prize. That's
Speaker 1: for weird science. The ig Nobel. Oh you know who
Speaker 1: won that? Metten as well for his poop knife. It
Speaker 1: seems to me to to add a new definition to
Speaker 1: the term screwed the life out of you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's as now he was. There's a speculation that when
Speaker 1: it collided with the glass. It was engaged in an
Speaker 1: attempted rape flight that resulted in the collision because it
Speaker 1: was running away from this other drake, is what he
Speaker 1: supposed this ad. Yeah, anybody's watched prison movies knows that
Speaker 1: this all makes sense. Well, prison movies lack barbed penises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Mallard does not. What I like is now
Speaker 1: that it's become like a holiday. It's Dead Duck Day
Speaker 1: on June five, and he like him and a bunch
Speaker 1: of people go back to the Natural History Museum. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and then they pretty much host a vigil and then
Speaker 1: walk to a local Chinese restaurant for a six course
Speaker 1: for a six course duck dinner. Wow, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to that. I need that. I'd want to get it
Speaker 1: on the meal part, but I might sit the vigil out,
Speaker 1: depends on the restaurant. Yeah. He even has like a
Speaker 1: there's pictures of him like giving a speech with a podium,
Speaker 1: the whole bit. He's leave you close at the door.
Speaker 1: I have the vigil now. Yeah. Uh. Fell named Cody
Speaker 1: wrote in on my way home from work, you'll see
Speaker 1: that we're near. We're closing in on your terrain. Attention
Speaker 1: pay attention, get ready we start wide. I mean the feeling,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that was I felt super dialed
Speaker 1: in when we started talking with the Necrophiliam Mallard. He
Speaker 1: thought we were like started the interview. Um, what happened here?
Speaker 1: Oh God named Cody writes my way home from work.
Speaker 1: I was listening to podcast episode three to one Yate
Speaker 1: test my meat, and part of the conversation raised a
Speaker 1: question for me. In your conversation about brining, you guys
Speaker 1: discuss how adding other ingredients into a brine will not
Speaker 1: make the cut of meat take on those flavors. What
Speaker 1: I was just saying is when you're mixing up a
Speaker 1: brine and you get into just like things, you're like,
Speaker 1: come on, like three peppercorns, I was like, just put
Speaker 1: the pepper on, Like it's not you're not. No one's
Speaker 1: gonna taste the one and be like, is there a
Speaker 1: hint of peppercorn? It's just like pepercorn. Yeah, Like it
Speaker 1: looks cool on the brine. The Brian looks cool with
Speaker 1: stuff floating in it. But I'm just like, at a
Speaker 1: point there's some things that like there's no way on
Speaker 1: planet Earth even the most finest palette on the World
Speaker 1: Taste that there were peppercorns in that brine. The example
Speaker 1: this is Cody talking. The example in the podcast was
Speaker 1: including a bay leaf in the Brian My question is
Speaker 1: how is dried one? My question is how is marinading
Speaker 1: meat different? Unless I'm mistaken, soaking meat and the marinade
Speaker 1: will make that meat soak up the flavors of the marinade,
Speaker 1: not the leaf. But based on the brining discussion, I'm
Speaker 1: not wondering if my outlook on marinading meat is wrong.
Speaker 1: Can meat actually soak up a marinade? He is wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's just explained it. We're talking about you very
Speaker 1: different things, all right. So without going into the minut
Speaker 1: shift this because I know I'm the one who throughout
Speaker 1: the whole Baileaf thing. Kevin GILLASTI here, Yeah, Hey, hello everyone.
Speaker 1: I know you thought I was Randy Savage earlier, but
Speaker 1: the whole time, um man, you're going that Bailey is
Speaker 1: gonna work, can't stay off drugs. Let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: this is excellent. I'm doing the rest of the podcast
Speaker 1: in my pseudo Randy Savage. I won't be able to
Speaker 1: talk later. That just grinds your Yeah, um okay, So
Speaker 1: we talked about this. Brining is is a water based solution.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: people throw in brine's are not water soluble, so they
Speaker 1: won't ever break down in a water based Onions and
Speaker 1: garlic are So that's one of the times when it
Speaker 1: actually will work. If you pure up an onion and
Speaker 1: you added into your brine, you will get an onion
Speaker 1: flavor that penetrates into the meat because your piggyback on
Speaker 1: you travel with the water in the osmotic reaction. Ever
Speaker 1: looked up water in your dictionary, No I have. It
Speaker 1: describes it describes that. One of the parts of the
Speaker 1: description is it describes it as an almost universal solvent
Speaker 1: and grab a dictionary stat um. So here here's the
Speaker 1: deal with the marinating of brinie. There are two different things.
Speaker 1: In modern parlance. Marinades imply in acidic liquid, whereas brine
Speaker 1: implies a water based liquid. Good, nice and clean is
Speaker 1: the that's the clean answer for you until you start
Speaker 1: to put acids care into their right and there's and
Speaker 1: there is, there's there's a lot of fine subtlety. What
Speaker 1: acid based brian water based brian's are very effective because scientifically,
Speaker 1: because the way the chemistry of it works, they work.
Speaker 1: Marinades on the other hands, on the other hand, don't
Speaker 1: really work. Now, it's not to say they won't make
Speaker 1: things taste like something. That's a whole different subjective conversation,
Speaker 1: because well, right, because ship gets on the outside and
Speaker 1: you cook it and and of course it's still going
Speaker 1: to be there. But they didn't test. A few years ago,
Speaker 1: Cook's Illustrated actually did this, which is a great magazine
Speaker 1: for folks who don't subscribe to it, and they marinated
Speaker 1: meat for eighteen hours and then they tested to see
Speaker 1: what the penetration level of the marinade was, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a fraction, it's millimeters. Well not if you took
Speaker 1: a fork and stabbed a million times. So what they did, right,
Speaker 1: So there's mechanical ways that you can, of course inject
Speaker 1: something into something, but if you just drop it into
Speaker 1: a liquid, which is what people do, they then took
Speaker 1: it and shaved off like down to the level that
Speaker 1: they could see that the marinade penetrated, cooked them, and
Speaker 1: then blind tasted and people could absolutely not taste the
Speaker 1: difference between something marinated and something not Marka. Here's where
Speaker 1: I'm calling a little bit of bullshit. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Steve likes to call bulls, but I think you should
Speaker 1: factor this in. Okay, making cevich by your definition, you're
Speaker 1: marinating little teensy pieces of fish. Yeah, we haven't gotten
Speaker 1: there yet. There's more to this, So there's levels. Right,
Speaker 1: So marinades and brine with enough concentration and time will
Speaker 1: both transition into curing and pickling the same liquid. And
Speaker 1: that's a whole different thing. So an end pressure, right,
Speaker 1: because you can do it under pressure in a in
Speaker 1: a vacuum sealed bag. So when you take something like
Speaker 1: sevich at a high enough acid level, you do, in
Speaker 1: fact cause the d naturing of protein. It's sat long enough.
Speaker 1: You've manually made it small enough so that the absorption
Speaker 1: level will break, so that little one eighth inch of
Speaker 1: penetration coming from four sides is meeting in the middle. Correct.
Speaker 1: There you go, Especially on a small cut of fish. Again,
Speaker 1: you have to consider that the protein structure of fish
Speaker 1: is different than land mammals, than than than meat. It
Speaker 1: is different than vegetables. Marinating vegetables is very effective because
Speaker 1: the cellular structure of a vegetable is very different than
Speaker 1: than a piece of protein. And so when you go
Speaker 1: in and you say it works versus it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: that's where you get into the slippery slope, because they
Speaker 1: all work. It's just are they doing what you think
Speaker 1: they are doing. And so most people marinate for two reasons,
Speaker 1: either to make something more tender or to make something
Speaker 1: taste different. And if you're talking tenderness, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: work because the acid really just d natures the protein
Speaker 1: on the outside. It makes it mushy, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: really make it more tender. Like in the objective using
Speaker 1: the Werner Ratzler machine, we wouldn't have a more tender
Speaker 1: piece of meat. If you're talking taste, of course it can,
Speaker 1: but does it get to the center of the meat?
Speaker 1: Does it penetrate all the way down? Absolutely not. It
Speaker 1: does count the outside with something, and if that something
Speaker 1: is viscous enough that it will stay put on the outside,
Speaker 1: then of course it can affect. And let me just
Speaker 1: jump in here and say what confuses a lot of
Speaker 1: people is the fact that then after those processes happen,
Speaker 1: what the the cook does with it then also affects
Speaker 1: the outcome and I'll give the most simple explanation in
Speaker 1: the whole world when you talk when you talk about
Speaker 1: actually changing texture and flavor, uh live culture, yogurt marinades
Speaker 1: on tan dourry chicken, if you're eating it in India
Speaker 1: or somewhere where someone actually has the expertise to have
Speaker 1: done this. I have friends who have come back and said,
Speaker 1: I have experienced the taste and texture breakdown, and that
Speaker 1: is the because of the way they butcher, for example,
Speaker 1: their poultry. They will butterfly chicken legs right cut down
Speaker 1: to the bone on one end, flap the pieces open,
Speaker 1: thereby making it a half inch thick piece of meat
Speaker 1: instead of a three or four inch in circumference piece
Speaker 1: of meat right with me. And therefore that yogurt and
Speaker 1: those spices will because they do it for twenty four
Speaker 1: thirty six hours, will penetrate it, and the turmeric that's
Speaker 1: in there will change the color, and on and on
Speaker 1: and on, and then they fire roast it. But because
Speaker 1: it's a smaller width of chicken, it's only in that
Speaker 1: nine degree tandor for seven eight minutes. So consequently a
Speaker 1: lot of that yogurt marinade is left behind. But the
Speaker 1: yogurt actually does its job denaturing that protein, and so
Speaker 1: there are outliers like that that confuse the piss at
Speaker 1: it right, like something like the one that I always
Speaker 1: used for people that they might not know this dishes
Speaker 1: shash leek, the like the Eastern European kebab. You see
Speaker 1: it in Russia, Ukram in places like that. So there
Speaker 1: are people that don't write um, but it's a perfect
Speaker 1: example of sash leek. It's where marinade and brine kind
Speaker 1: of crossover because you end up with a watery, onion
Speaker 1: based like you blend up onions to make the liquid.
Speaker 1: Then you add some sort of dairy it's usually what
Speaker 1: we would call sour cream. It's not exactly sour cream,
Speaker 1: but a dairy based liquid that has then acid in it.
Speaker 1: But it does actually affect it because you will get
Speaker 1: that osmotic water transfer so to pull the onion into
Speaker 1: it while simultaneously getting a little bit of tenderizing effect
Speaker 1: from that lactic acid on the outside. And again the
Speaker 1: meat is cut very small. It's not only cut small,
Speaker 1: it's cut in a manner that exposes that internal muscle structure,
Speaker 1: so it's taking away some of the effort that the
Speaker 1: marinade would actually have to go through Kosh or either no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think that's ever been factored in,
Speaker 1: particularly based on my historical knowledge of the region. Well
Speaker 1: rabbinical traditions, states um, So to answer that dude's question,
Speaker 1: and actually, you know what we are filming tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: are filming a brining one oh one video for the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater website that we're gonna because of how many
Speaker 1: people right in with these questions. We're not gonna go
Speaker 1: ultra deep. If people watch it and we get good response,
Speaker 1: I'll do a one oh two. We'll keep going gallant.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna help people understand why you would do it,
Speaker 1: how you do it, and really in this one, it's
Speaker 1: just generalized to meet and fish and what parts of
Speaker 1: silly yeah, and what doesn't make any sense, and stop
Speaker 1: wasting your time and money. Frankly, because I've watched people
Speaker 1: make elaborate turkey Brian's for Thanksgiving that include ingredients. Look
Speaker 1: like I've brined mine with a little bit of shaved truffle.
Speaker 1: You're like, we could have just taken it outside and
Speaker 1: thrown it in on the ground. Martha Stewart on very
Speaker 1: popular recipes. Is the twenty dollar turkey Brian, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: has a you know, fifteen dollar bottle of the worst demeanor,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's just like people are wasting
Speaker 1: their time and money. If you want those flavors, you
Speaker 1: can accomplish it. But as you said to your points
Speaker 1: to three, malvar peppercorns are not going to make their way.
Speaker 1: After Martha Stewart got in trouble for Inside of Trading Um,
Speaker 1: she was profiled in the New Yorker and there's always
Speaker 1: something that broke my heart. And the end the writer
Speaker 1: is there was you know, people like really jumped on
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart. She went like, just people are always kind
Speaker 1: of looking for like a chink in the armor. So
Speaker 1: also every like hated Mark Stewart. And she's eating lunch.
Speaker 1: She cooked the chicken dish. She's eating lunch with the
Speaker 1: journalist and they're eating it with chopsticks, and the journalist
Speaker 1: comments on the chopstick, and Martha Stewart said, I read
Speaker 1: somewhere that thinner chopsticks, the thinner the chopstick, the more
Speaker 1: elegant the chopstick is, right, senmy use like silverware for
Speaker 1: us to demonstrate elegan, so she said, So I went
Speaker 1: out and bought the thinnest chopsticks I could find, And
Speaker 1: I think that's why people hate me. It's an incredible
Speaker 1: comment on her and I've I've had the I've known
Speaker 1: her since I was a teenager, and uh, the phases
Speaker 1: of her life are incredible. The thing that impresses me
Speaker 1: the most about Martha, all the food stuff aside, is
Speaker 1: to be a single mom. Uh, to realize that you
Speaker 1: that you are not going to get any support from
Speaker 1: your ex, the father of your your child. You were
Speaker 1: going to then establish a catering company out of your home,
Speaker 1: and then that morphs into everything that she had built
Speaker 1: up into the point of the insider trading situation. She
Speaker 1: has then removed as the head of her company. Right,
Speaker 1: still owns a piece of it. Blah blah. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, don't cry for me, Argentina, Right, I mean
Speaker 1: she but but essentially removed does her time in the
Speaker 1: stir without saying anything about anyone like does does the
Speaker 1: time And I do not care if it's a country club,
Speaker 1: prison or not. You were in you were in a
Speaker 1: prison environment. I don't want to be I'm sorry. Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to having been in those plays, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: be there. And then she comes out and over the
Speaker 1: course of the last twenty three years since that happened,
Speaker 1: twenty years since that happened, has now come back bigger, stronger,
Speaker 1: and better than ever. The woman is an incredible force,
Speaker 1: and at eighty years old, the most recent interview that
Speaker 1: I just saw here is still complaining about what What
Speaker 1: did she say? Most recently, the men that I want
Speaker 1: to date, who are the most attractive to me are
Speaker 1: usually already taken, and they're the husbands of my friends.
Speaker 1: Is it bad to wish them dead? Ah? I she
Speaker 1: was trying to make a joke about about it, But
Speaker 1: I mean this, this woman, I haven't I have a
Speaker 1: lot of it is I have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for Mark Chopstick comments aside, because that is why people
Speaker 1: came there. There was a time in her life where
Speaker 1: she was creating tablescapes that no one in the world
Speaker 1: would ever consider reasonable or have the time to do
Speaker 1: except her three or four friends and my stepmom. Correct,
Speaker 1: And that was that was her audience, and there was
Speaker 1: nothing It was aspirational. It was an aspirational time, and
Speaker 1: it was the world so tiny post prison. Martha Stewart
Speaker 1: is like Universal and and Giant Age Range and she's roasting.
Speaker 1: She hangs out, I'm a Martha Stewart and Kevin Kevin is,
Speaker 1: and Kevin will back me up on this when when
Speaker 1: when people come to me and say, what are the
Speaker 1: I'm just learning to cook? But the how two books
Speaker 1: bore me. I want something that's simple recipes that are
Speaker 1: like tested and retested five thousand times and are guaranteed
Speaker 1: to work. And I refer them to a line of
Speaker 1: small magazine booklets that you can still get online and
Speaker 1: find on her website, and it's Martha Stewart every Day.
Speaker 1: And it's that those recipes for a first time cook,
Speaker 1: not only you're delicious and contemporary and use good ingredients,
Speaker 1: they're simple, efficient, They take forty five minutes to get
Speaker 1: on the table. It is I've recommended those two more
Speaker 1: people with more success because she has them tested and
Speaker 1: retested and I don't know also like just the method
Speaker 1: that she uses, like tested by people who could make mistakes,
Speaker 1: Like so it's they've already they've already done all the
Speaker 1: work for you, Like they wouldn't have published if they
Speaker 1: hadn't been full proof. Yep, she's a baller. You pay attention, chrimp,
Speaker 1: She's a ball So Martha Stewart as a guest oh
Speaker 1: man on the same show, preferably with Jared Diamond. Mike
Speaker 1: cons has like the pandemic. Mike is winding down. No,
Speaker 1: Mike and I are talking. He's yeah, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Can we bring Snoop Dogg along with because Macho Man
Speaker 1: still around, No, he's not. We can xum his remains
Speaker 1: and bring him in for there as still pretty small. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you go back in time, what was the first
Speaker 1: what was the first moment you became aware of the
Speaker 1: disciplines of hunting and fishing? Uh? With my father, we
Speaker 1: didn't call it foraging, but we went out and went
Speaker 1: around in the woods, well the woods, the beaches, the
Speaker 1: ponds that I mean. We we gathered rose My mom
Speaker 1: would gather rose hips with me in the in the morning.
Speaker 1: You had to do it the at the very earliest
Speaker 1: hours of the day when they were still moist with
Speaker 1: the dew, before they dried out. This is a little
Speaker 1: little kid where Long Island we we we you know,
Speaker 1: we went clamming. We uh fish for striped bass. Every
Speaker 1: night on the beach. Um we uh took old rotted
Speaker 1: chicken legs and threw them out on the string in
Speaker 1: the water and pulled slowly and would gather, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at a bushel basket of blue crabs here in the studio,
Speaker 1: and we pull that up and do a crab right there.
Speaker 1: Fantastic exactly. We would we would hand line for eels
Speaker 1: in the harbor and nail them to trees, run a
Speaker 1: little pen knife around their neck and strip matter their
Speaker 1: skin and just put them on the grill. Which is
Speaker 1: people identify as out as outdoors, not at all, men
Speaker 1: and women, not just life. Absolutely and and this is
Speaker 1: what's fantastic. If you had said to them, if if
Speaker 1: you had said of them, oh, you're living an outdoors lifestyle,
Speaker 1: they would look at you and say, you're ridiculous. We're
Speaker 1: just living a lifestyle. Now. This is in the sixties. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know both of them grew up in the depression,
Speaker 1: uh a little bit, but they weren't super cris My
Speaker 1: dad was. My dad ran a big advertising agency. My
Speaker 1: mom was a free and loose like sixties housewife. You know,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an interesting time, a free and
Speaker 1: loose sixties housewife that she would, uh my father did
Speaker 1: well enough that uh in her apartment. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many of you have read some of the Tom
Speaker 1: Wolf books about New York City in the sixties when
Speaker 1: Park Avenue housewives were raising money for the Black Panther
Speaker 1: Party in there, you would I mean, Huey Lewis would
Speaker 1: you know some of those people would show up to,
Speaker 1: you know, raise money in living rooms where you know, wealthy,
Speaker 1: free and loose Park Avenue house So she was like
Speaker 1: she was like had ruined to be a common cultural
Speaker 1: six super utopian socialist and all the rest that, but
Speaker 1: at the same time enjoyed the privileges that came with,
Speaker 1: you know, a a booming one per center class that
Speaker 1: has kept growing going forward. Don't use the word loose
Speaker 1: about your own, moll. Now, that's that's different because one
Speaker 1: of the things that I loved the most about her
Speaker 1: was that, and I mean this is the most respectful
Speaker 1: way possible. When she divorced my father because of certain
Speaker 1: things within our family, she went on a run for
Speaker 1: like eight or nine years. We're looking back at it.
Speaker 1: I was like, way to go up, Way to go mom,
Speaker 1: and and it included I mean some pretty well. I
Speaker 1: was like, like, way to go, mom, Uh, parents sound
Speaker 1: like it was fun to be a kid. Oh the best,
Speaker 1: because my father would take me traveling all around the world.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you caught onto that right away.
Speaker 1: He actually took me places and taught me ship and
Speaker 1: said you will need to know this later in life.
Speaker 1: And it was an incredible education. Um. And some of
Speaker 1: my friends who when I got to college were into
Speaker 1: uh hunting and fishing. I already had experience a lot
Speaker 1: of experience fishing. I'd gone, I'd raised a gun to
Speaker 1: my shoulder once, and by the time you hit college.
Speaker 1: By the time I hit college, and then one of
Speaker 1: my uh the very close friends, his family had thousands
Speaker 1: of acres near O Sable Falls in uh northwestern New York,
Speaker 1: and he said, you gotta come up deer hunting sometime,
Speaker 1: and I went up. I had a fantastic time, harvested
Speaker 1: two animals, and I was hooked because I was already
Speaker 1: cooking at the time, and I was eating all these
Speaker 1: things with my dad. So when I was traveling with
Speaker 1: my father and Kevin and I were talking before we
Speaker 1: started recording about how much game meat is eaten overseas
Speaker 1: and because it's you can bring it into restaurants, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's a different situation than we have here. Um.
Speaker 1: I was eating wild foods that were hunted and I
Speaker 1: I was threatened, But come back home. Why can't we
Speaker 1: have this? It tastes better than uh, you know, beef? Right?
Speaker 1: For example, There's certain animals that I tasted and have
Speaker 1: gone back and hunted and tasted and continue to go
Speaker 1: back and taste, especially African uh hoofed animal species that
Speaker 1: I would eat instead of beef every day of the week. Um.
Speaker 1: And there are species of of hoofed animal in in
Speaker 1: Italy like donkey and horse that are eating regularly not hunted,
Speaker 1: but but but sustainably farmed that you know. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I'm the person who stood up loud and clear and
Speaker 1: said we need to diversify our food resources and and
Speaker 1: made a show for thirteen years that sort of preached
Speaker 1: that out the wazoo. I mean, so, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know where what stands I come from? Uh, But that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I got hooked. And then the
Speaker 1: pleasure of all of the learning that took place, because
Speaker 1: for me it was new. I grew up in an
Speaker 1: apartment in New York City. Right. So, through my television
Speaker 1: work and through some experiences with friends before that, I
Speaker 1: was able to go places and do things that very
Speaker 1: few people are actually able to do. And as everyone
Speaker 1: is at this table knows, because I'm preaching to the converted.
Speaker 1: Once you experience that, you never go back. I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone who's ever gone out, uh, fly fishing in
Speaker 1: a place where you can actually take a fish if
Speaker 1: there's a slot limit for it, or or or gone
Speaker 1: out duck hunting or or goose hunting and then experienced
Speaker 1: what it's like to actually eat the food that you've taken,
Speaker 1: and to do it in a responsible way, and to
Speaker 1: learn about what are ancestors did with bones and feathers,
Speaker 1: and to start to get into the the fun part
Speaker 1: of it, which is not necessarily pulling their trigger letting
Speaker 1: an arrow fly, but is actually being in tune with nature.
Speaker 1: We're so out of tune with nature. It's why I
Speaker 1: love that book, uh that you wrote the Outside, because
Speaker 1: it's it's so it's it's of such vital importance. And
Speaker 1: it changed my life, changed my perspective on things, and
Speaker 1: gave me a respect for other cultures. And other people
Speaker 1: that we desperately need today. We desperately need it. We
Speaker 1: have become a nation so divided we can't even talk
Speaker 1: to one another about civic issues that are for our
Speaker 1: national betterment for everyone. Right, Um, and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about left right or red or but I'm just about
Speaker 1: forward as a as a society. And to go back
Speaker 1: and to look at my life and say, hey, where
Speaker 1: did I learn that? Where did I become more accepting
Speaker 1: of other people and other traditions and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's all. It all goes back to how I I'll
Speaker 1: just call it gathered food. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: I think it's a vital importance today. Do you do
Speaker 1: you feel that the difference there, Like, do you feel
Speaker 1: it's beneficial? Like trying to think how you put this?
Speaker 1: Do you advise people to be like, you know, what
Speaker 1: you ought to do for your own betterment is go
Speaker 1: out and like eat a hand secured meal, yes, and
Speaker 1: not just okay, tell me about that. Ye. Well, there's
Speaker 1: two sides to this point. So let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: diminishing uh resources in our human created, finite world. Um,
Speaker 1: if everybody took uh a meal replacement meal and a
Speaker 1: can once a week, and everybody took a meal from
Speaker 1: the wild once a week, which by the way, could
Speaker 1: be vegetarian. I'm just saying a meal from the wild, right,
Speaker 1: and we skipped one meal a week. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about children or seniors or people with with health issues.
Speaker 1: So don't at me with a million you know, ridiculous
Speaker 1: comments on Twitter, right, I mean, we all know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. A meal, not a day, but a meal,
Speaker 1: a meal, just a meal. So one meal in a can, yep,
Speaker 1: and skip one. We eliminate one seventh of our reliance
Speaker 1: on factory farms and factory produced food and big ad
Speaker 1: produce food, etcetera, etcetera. Right, It radically reshapes our dependence
Speaker 1: on these places and will help us decentralize our food system.
Speaker 1: I still believe in a world it We can't do
Speaker 1: it everywhere, but I visited enough places where people still
Speaker 1: hunt at night for their breakfast and hunt during the
Speaker 1: day for their dinner. And the connection to the natural
Speaker 1: world that I take from those experiences is to me
Speaker 1: of vital importance. And if human beings can, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I it's coming out next When does this air? This podcast? Okay?
Speaker 1: So by by this time it will have been announced
Speaker 1: that I've I'm a co founder of a sustainable UH
Speaker 1: seafood alliance. I'm obviously a a very UH active social
Speaker 1: justice UM proponent, and I work with a lot of
Speaker 1: different food groups across the country and across the world
Speaker 1: UH in trying to provide UH help for those who
Speaker 1: need it, for those who are able to the wisdom
Speaker 1: that comes with taking. And it's not just about how
Speaker 1: to harvest an animal. I'm talking about spiritual wisdom. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about personal growth. I'm talking about a a connection
Speaker 1: to other people and the world around you. You become
Speaker 1: people who live a lifestyle that incorporates even casually being
Speaker 1: in the outdoors and harvesting meals from there. To me,
Speaker 1: are the most in the majority, the most open minded,
Speaker 1: forward thinking. I was just I mean, just the bullshitting
Speaker 1: we were doing before the microphones you know, went on.
Speaker 1: All I was I was listening. All have to do
Speaker 1: that would really with making the world a better place, right,
Speaker 1: You have to understand the world if you're going to
Speaker 1: do anything about it. I famously said, and well I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say well, sure, I'll say it because it was
Speaker 1: quoted everywhere. But in What's in America one of our episodes,
Speaker 1: I I was sitting on a John Dear tractor and
Speaker 1: I and I looked at the camera and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to understand what's happening on
Speaker 1: American farms, I suggest you visit one. People who are
Speaker 1: talking about the outdoors with never having spent time in it.
Speaker 1: You know, how about fuck you if you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, farming in America and you've never spent time
Speaker 1: on a farm, big or small, you know, I get
Speaker 1: I get outraged at it. Where do you learn that
Speaker 1: scrabble dictionary? I mean, get out there and live it,
Speaker 1: just just for a day, experience it so you can
Speaker 1: develop Because everyone is entitled to opinion unless you're pulling
Speaker 1: it out of your ass. It absolutely drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: And and and by the way, you know, my personal stance,
Speaker 1: my civic stance, my political stance is vastly, vastly one sided.
Speaker 1: But I still learned all of that in the outdoors.
Speaker 1: You take what you want from a develop your opinions
Speaker 1: by actually being there right regardless of where they may fall.
Speaker 1: But if you do not get out there, how do
Speaker 1: you I'll give you a really great example. Um, I
Speaker 1: believe everybody has to have a relationship with the power
Speaker 1: greater than themselves. If you think you're the be all
Speaker 1: and end all, and you're living totally an ego, you
Speaker 1: will not be successful in life. I gotta I don't
Speaker 1: want to bore people with two hours of stories about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, flat out, you have to believe in something.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, but believe in something
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself. It could be nature, it could be family,
Speaker 1: it could be other human beings, it could be believe
Speaker 1: in something bigger than yourself. Right, So i'm i'm I'm
Speaker 1: hunting elk. Out with the leaders of the Taos Pueblo
Speaker 1: and we go up to one of their sacred mountains. Um,
Speaker 1: we heard elk, We we called elk, we saw elk.
Speaker 1: It was it got too dark and we were too
Speaker 1: far away. Never put the gun to my shoulder. Still
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, greatest nights of my life. And
Speaker 1: then we sat around a fire for five hours with
Speaker 1: their ward chief, with their tribal leader, with people, and
Speaker 1: they started teaching me about the mountain we were on,
Speaker 1: and about the history of their of their people, and
Speaker 1: they just told stories, because that's how they communicate and
Speaker 1: pass on traditions by telling stories. Uh. And we we
Speaker 1: put it in the show as best we can. You know,
Speaker 1: we got forty four minutes with commercials um. But it
Speaker 1: was afterwards when one of them said to me, came
Speaker 1: here and we we we walked around about I don't know,
Speaker 1: a quarter mile down this this hill to this place
Speaker 1: that was just like two acres of six inch deep moss.
Speaker 1: That's all it was was moss, this huge field of moss.
Speaker 1: But it happened to they They called it a very
Speaker 1: sacred ground because it faced a certain constellation of stars.
Speaker 1: And I lay down there and he started to talk
Speaker 1: to me about, you know, some of their spiritual practice
Speaker 1: and what other people might call godly belief and wisdom.
Speaker 1: And it absolutely I have never forgotten that moment. I
Speaker 1: remember every word that was spoken to me, and it
Speaker 1: was really all about what we do for other people
Speaker 1: and being in service to other people, that that's our
Speaker 1: purpose with being here on planet. That they believe that
Speaker 1: we are meant to love each other and be of
Speaker 1: service to other human beings full stop, which was identical
Speaker 1: to what the shaman of the Juntawaisi and Botswana had
Speaker 1: said to me after a trans dance where he he
Speaker 1: and he pulled me out of myself and we floated
Speaker 1: above my body and shared an out of body experience
Speaker 1: and we documented the show. I burst into tears. I
Speaker 1: sat outside his his hut after he passed out and
Speaker 1: slept for twelve hours. I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't shoot
Speaker 1: because I needed to be the first one to talk
Speaker 1: to him with the translator to say, to make sure
Speaker 1: what he experienced was what I experienced. And um, if
Speaker 1: it hadn't happened to me, I would call bullshit on it.
Speaker 1: But I I had the same transcendent experience with him,
Speaker 1: and not to be I'm not making a Bill Murray
Speaker 1: joke here, but I knew I was in the presence
Speaker 1: of someone very special. And I asked him, what are
Speaker 1: what's our purpose on life here on this planet? And
Speaker 1: he said he laughed at me. He laughed at me
Speaker 1: because I was a modern Western person and he started
Speaker 1: to walk away, and I insisted in the the tribal management,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna want to hear about it. It was
Speaker 1: so simple. He laughed at me because he thought I
Speaker 1: would just ignore it. But it's stuck with me forever.
Speaker 1: The the tribal management officer that was with us, who
Speaker 1: was the grandson of one of the other shamans, asked
Speaker 1: him to please answered, if you would answer the question,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to push too much, and he turned
Speaker 1: around and basically said, in his language, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: It's to love each other and take care of each other,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what the tribal elder of the Taos
Speaker 1: Pueblo people said. These are these are spiritual truths that
Speaker 1: go back to the very beginning of time of how
Speaker 1: we're supposed to treat each other and our planet. And
Speaker 1: I have yet to learn any of that from a book.
Speaker 1: I've yet to learn any of that from from other
Speaker 1: experiences other than being out in the world with people
Speaker 1: who are living in harmony with nature, which means take
Speaker 1: food from their natural surroundings. So I believe very strongly,
Speaker 1: to get back to your question, that taking food from
Speaker 1: our natural surroundings is a very very very important part
Speaker 1: of what should be an everyday lifestyle for everyone. And
Speaker 1: that includes concerts. I mean, look, I'm preaching to the
Speaker 1: converter your listeners understand this. That includes conservation, that includes
Speaker 1: how we care for each other, how we feed each other,
Speaker 1: it includes how we make laws, it includes how we
Speaker 1: think about our ecosystems. And I think it's vitally important.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I feel sorry for the people that
Speaker 1: don't get to experience that and your and your wanderings.
Speaker 1: What culture or indigenous group or tribal group, um kind
Speaker 1: of had the lifestyle the wild foods pattern where you thought, like,
Speaker 1: these guys gotta figured out, Well, it's all the protected tribes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been very lucky. I think we're up
Speaker 1: to now fifty seven tribal groups that are the governments
Speaker 1: of those countries don't allow contact outsiders with them. I've
Speaker 1: lived with I think fourteen of them. Uh. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's an incredible experience. UM. And I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it at the time I I went to I went
Speaker 1: to a teaching university, UH University of India, big school,
Speaker 1: and UH the anthropology department there was was they teach
Speaker 1: a course on using bizarre foods at and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to come down and give a talk. And I
Speaker 1: found myself with the anthropology department at night at a
Speaker 1: little private meet and greet at at the Dean's home.
Speaker 1: And Uh, I was introduced to other people as an anthropologist,
Speaker 1: and I laughed at my I said, I'm a TV
Speaker 1: I'm a fat white guy that goes around the world
Speaker 1: meets bugs. Um, this was if my anthropologist. And Uh,
Speaker 1: he said, oh, no, no, no, he says, we have
Speaker 1: we have tenured professors here that have maybe spent time
Speaker 1: with two tribes of the type that you have spent
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks with many. And maybe the
Speaker 1: first inkling I got about how special the experience was.
Speaker 1: And and now they don't really make TV like that anymore. Um.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I found is all those
Speaker 1: protected groups live in in concert with their natural surroundings.
Speaker 1: So the ones in Amazonia right um, in in the
Speaker 1: deepest parts of Amazonia where there are no seasons, where
Speaker 1: it's give or take a degree or two, the same
Speaker 1: temperature every day, the same weather system. Every day, they
Speaker 1: constantly are are hunting and fishing, the same animals, gathering
Speaker 1: the same fruits, gathering the same vegetables. That's much different, say,
Speaker 1: than the Juntoasi, who live in a place that has seasons. Uh.
Speaker 1: Even though it's the high desert in Botswana outside about
Speaker 1: five four or five hours outside the hills um they
Speaker 1: have seasons. So when we got there, they were eating
Speaker 1: beetles roasted and mashed with marula nuts because marula fruit
Speaker 1: was fault. They'd eat the fruit, they'd roast the nuts,
Speaker 1: mash them with these bugs that they roasted, and they
Speaker 1: would make this paste and dry it. And it reminded
Speaker 1: me of those old tigers milk power bars, about the
Speaker 1: old breasting the world's first power bar. They stank and
Speaker 1: they were chewy there, just like bad taffy, and that's
Speaker 1: what that food was. But they ate that for eight
Speaker 1: nine days until those bugs were gone and the marula
Speaker 1: fruit had fallen from the trees and was all gone, right,
Speaker 1: and then they moved on to Kudu right blew my
Speaker 1: mind absolutely blew my mind. Uh. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, and they're like no, because now usually after
Speaker 1: the season and the younger animals are old enough, so
Speaker 1: it's at that point that are pushing older males out
Speaker 1: of the out of the herd. And that's what we harvest,
Speaker 1: is the older males that are pushed out of the herd.
Speaker 1: And we only do it and and just every week
Speaker 1: had a different you know, food or two or three
Speaker 1: to it, And I think those are the those are
Speaker 1: the places that I was most impressed with. Any other
Speaker 1: group has access to things all the time and is
Speaker 1: trading with people in towns or cities, and modernism has
Speaker 1: crept in and it's more of a convenience lifestyle. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I would be okay with with living the
Speaker 1: the pure seasonal structure that I viewed with a with
Speaker 1: a couple of other tribe. It really is, it really
Speaker 1: is absolutely unbelievable. That's really it's an interesting observation that
Speaker 1: you made. I hadn't really thought of that equatorial hunter
Speaker 1: gathers are, Um, they're not dealing with that correct, right, Like,
Speaker 1: but you probably have trees, Like if you have an
Speaker 1: array of date trees all the time, there's probably some
Speaker 1: day tree at any given time. It is probably fruiting
Speaker 1: anytime anytime. And the and the fish that they like
Speaker 1: are always there. The animals that they like are always there. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the skill set of those people.
Speaker 1: You know, wild chickens kind of like a grouse popping
Speaker 1: up out of the ferns in a forest. So there's
Speaker 1: trees in your way. I'm talking about a dense rainforest. Okay,
Speaker 1: you talk about hard shots, and they take off moving
Speaker 1: let's say, from right to left, and they have these
Speaker 1: these people are hunting with tiny flightless arrows, and they
Speaker 1: don't miss featherless arrows. They don't miss the the with
Speaker 1: the with the juntasi, a black mamba. You know, the
Speaker 1: five steps snake bites you, you're dead. And five steps
Speaker 1: came into the camp while we were there, an actual
Speaker 1: rare occurrence. But those animals hunt and they will come
Speaker 1: back for the same scent and the same smell. So
Speaker 1: the entire tribe drops, i mean drops everything. One person
Speaker 1: and they have an emergency protocol system for this. One
Speaker 1: person kicks out the fire. Everyone else gathers the belongings,
Speaker 1: which by the way, our group owned, not an individual loan,
Speaker 1: and they all thirty of them, little kids, grandpas and
Speaker 1: everyone in between, starts chasing the snake. But they all
Speaker 1: gather sticks and stones as they're running, and they keep
Speaker 1: throwing it. The idea is they want to chase the
Speaker 1: snake up a tree. And so eventually after about a
Speaker 1: mile of this, by the way, our instinct, because it's
Speaker 1: been drilled into us, where you see a five steps snake,
Speaker 1: you run the other way. So we all took like
Speaker 1: eight steps back, and then your your TV sense kicks
Speaker 1: in and you're like, oh no, no no, we have to
Speaker 1: document this. And then we start running behind them, and
Speaker 1: we put it in our show. We got the snake
Speaker 1: shot of it climbing up the tree, and you know,
Speaker 1: a twelve year old kid literally comes running up with
Speaker 1: a sling shot by the way, not the kind that
Speaker 1: you know, has a fork sling with a rock in it,
Speaker 1: and from thirty feet out from the tree, because you
Speaker 1: can't be you have to be out from the tree
Speaker 1: to get it. He waited for the snake to come
Speaker 1: to an edge and look out at everyone spends his thing.
Speaker 1: But I mean no, he didn't take time to tee
Speaker 1: it up. He didn't, you know, like the traditional you know,
Speaker 1: like take your time, get your breathing down. He just
Speaker 1: hucked this thing bang, hits it on the head and
Speaker 1: it starts to drop, and he throws through three more
Speaker 1: times total of four hit it, three times, missed once.
Speaker 1: Snake is almost dead on the ground, and then everyone
Speaker 1: in the tribe takes turned stomping it and then they
Speaker 1: throw it into a crucifixion bush, which is a bush
Speaker 1: that has so many big thorns on it. That's the
Speaker 1: Western name for it. That's where they throw it because
Speaker 1: if you step on the bones, it can kill you
Speaker 1: even a year later. So they wanted to rot and
Speaker 1: die in the heat and in that and no one's
Speaker 1: gonna bump into it if it's on the top of
Speaker 1: a crucifixion bush. Um Uh, the most incredible thing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. But you you start to get the protocol
Speaker 1: an appreciation for that. Those seasonal tribal people are absolutely
Speaker 1: believable with with skill sets, by the way, and I
Speaker 1: know that there's people here at this table who've experienced
Speaker 1: this with skill sets that far outweigh anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: the jun Twasi, this was the funny part. The Kudoos.
Speaker 1: They have these little arrows. They have this poison that
Speaker 1: there's no antidote for, and they keep the poison. They
Speaker 1: make it a couple of times a year. We put
Speaker 1: it in the show, and they keep it in a
Speaker 1: shell inside a leather bag on this tree hanging so
Speaker 1: that no one touches it. And uh, you know, they
Speaker 1: don't have a concept of certain things about when to
Speaker 1: use it because everything that um, well, the kudoo. For example,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, are you gonna use the poison arrows
Speaker 1: or or you're gonna use your little flightless arrows with
Speaker 1: no poison on it? Or how do you hunt the kudu?
Speaker 1: Because they said we're going kudu hunting tomorrow and they said, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to go, and this is
Speaker 1: through our translator, and it's like, well, no, well we'll
Speaker 1: be stealthy and quiet and just send Andrew in one cameraman.
Speaker 1: The usual conversation we have with everyone about this. And
Speaker 1: they're like, no, you won't be able to keep up
Speaker 1: running with us, and you'll you'll die of exhaustion and
Speaker 1: you'll get lost. And we're like like, what do you
Speaker 1: mean running? And it's like well, and they don't have
Speaker 1: a term that we have for sporting, but it was
Speaker 1: essentially the idea was they run and throw rocks and
Speaker 1: sticks until the animal is exhausted, and they get it
Speaker 1: to a place where it's in a canyon against a wall,
Speaker 1: and then they walk up to it and strangle it
Speaker 1: and then bleed it out. That's how they hunt kudu. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: they don't notoriously athletic and they run after it until
Speaker 1: it's exhausted. So think about that, right, we were not
Speaker 1: allowed to our insurance coming. We weren't allowed to leave
Speaker 1: camp with less than six liters of water on our bodies.
Speaker 1: Had to carry six for each person. Someone has to
Speaker 1: have the medical I mean just I mean, the precautions
Speaker 1: were insane. And these people are just walking out. They
Speaker 1: eat these little berries that helps their body retain moisture.
Speaker 1: They drink in the morning, then they come back and
Speaker 1: drink a lot at night, but they're they're fine during
Speaker 1: the day, including run. You know, it's a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty degrees, you know, in the middle of the desert,
Speaker 1: in the hot sun, and they're chasing kudu, chasing kudu. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's new for me. I just sat there and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and everyone at least the one
Speaker 1: thing all of those protected tribes have in common, and
Speaker 1: you you, you know, you hit on one of the
Speaker 1: differences with where they are in the world. But all
Speaker 1: of them are doctors, lawyers, engineers, farmers, hunters, soldiers, right, builders.
Speaker 1: I mean that that we we have lost so much
Speaker 1: across training. It's insane. It's insane, And and that the
Speaker 1: young people in these tribes are taught all this and
Speaker 1: from starting at a very early age. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: all pharmacists. I mean, you know, someone gets I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing you look at. I'm sitting there at
Speaker 1: one point, you know. And I only come back to
Speaker 1: the Genoaisi because the one of the first second protected
Speaker 1: tribe I was ever with. And I'm like, God, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of old people here. Don't they get sick?
Speaker 1: And the the folks who were with us uh from
Speaker 1: the their parks department UH and tribal Management office were like, sure,
Speaker 1: they get sick all the time. They take medicine. They
Speaker 1: looked at me like I'm an idiot, Like, of course
Speaker 1: they get sick. They have their diseases. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons we keep them away from you people is we
Speaker 1: don't want other diseases brought in. Right. But I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they get sick and then they use their own uh
Speaker 1: you know, medicine to heal themselves. And people break bones
Speaker 1: and they they splint them and they know and they
Speaker 1: rehab them. And there's all these eighty year olds walking around.
Speaker 1: They live a healthy, happy, long life. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're doing something wrong, or there's maybe not only we're
Speaker 1: doing something wrong, but the biggest mistake we make is
Speaker 1: not learning from these people somehow minimizing their experience and
Speaker 1: saying to ourselves they have less to offer me than
Speaker 1: this book, this school, this other thinker, philosopher, whatever it's like.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, go spend some time with some of
Speaker 1: those people. Study those people, and you will learn. Number One,
Speaker 1: it's extremely emasculating. I mean, as a modern man with
Speaker 1: with some skill set, you hang out with these folks
Speaker 1: and it is you know, I'm a useless I am
Speaker 1: an appendage um. And uh, their lifestyle is is not boring.
Speaker 1: The the happiness quotients is very high. We so what's
Speaker 1: called a honey bird. If they see it, this bird
Speaker 1: has a long bill and it eats the honey the
Speaker 1: b larva. So whenever they see the bird, which is rare,
Speaker 1: it only happens two or three times a year. Uh,
Speaker 1: they all run and follow it. The whole tribe just
Speaker 1: gets up and moves camp some and they leave market.
Speaker 1: They leave markers to eventually the bird will leave them
Speaker 1: to a a natural hide. Now, these are wild African bees,
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. They can make fire faster
Speaker 1: than any I mean I'm talking. I mean two sticks,
Speaker 1: a thong, you know, from an old from a deer tendon,
Speaker 1: and they're making fire. I mean three seconds, four seconds
Speaker 1: is nothing. Uh. They whip up the fire, they grow
Speaker 1: a bigger fire, and they hold it in this piece
Speaker 1: of hide, smoke them out so they're all just asleep.
Speaker 1: Then they reach in, grab all the honey, put it
Speaker 1: into this bigger hide, and then carry it home. And
Speaker 1: then they gorge on it. And they the way some
Speaker 1: people have the meat sweats and eat too much at
Speaker 1: a steakhouse and pass out. They all pass out from
Speaker 1: this sugar high. There was. There was another tribe I
Speaker 1: was with on the other side of Africa, that's southwestern Africa,
Speaker 1: in central eastern Africa, the Chaga. Uh. They make beer, well,
Speaker 1: they make a mead beer thing with it, and they
Speaker 1: get hammered and they find it two or three times
Speaker 1: a year and do the same thing, but they do
Speaker 1: a different thing uh with it. Uh. It's it's incredible
Speaker 1: what we learned from if you're open minded. So what
Speaker 1: did it teach me? It taught me that regardless of me.
Speaker 1: There's how many of us at this table, fourteen it's
Speaker 1: unfrecking believable. Um, but what it taught me was there's
Speaker 1: no one out there who can't teach me something, right,
Speaker 1: So to think that, I know, it's it's it taught
Speaker 1: me to be a better People say, well, how did
Speaker 1: that trip transform you? It's like, well, I I became
Speaker 1: an instant recycler. I listened to people more. That trip
Speaker 1: would visit the gun Choasi in in Botswana change my
Speaker 1: life irrevocably. Uh. I mean, let's talking about immediate, immediate
Speaker 1: because it was so humbling to see how these people
Speaker 1: operated for two weeks and you know, every night at
Speaker 1: midnight because the times of the thing. I took the
Speaker 1: satellite phone and walked to a clearing out of this
Speaker 1: jungle with like three guides, three tribes people around me
Speaker 1: with spears because they're like, you won't see the animal coming,
Speaker 1: that's gonna kill you. And I'm like, come on, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll call bullshit on that one, right. I mean, your tribe,
Speaker 1: you're making lots of noise and they're just shaking their
Speaker 1: head at me and they're all standing around me. And
Speaker 1: I would talk to my wife and kid and you know,
Speaker 1: spend my five minutes on the SAT phone and then
Speaker 1: I'd walk back, I'd go to sleep. Second morning, I
Speaker 1: wake up and the guy who was with me when
Speaker 1: I called the first night is still standing outside my
Speaker 1: tent door and he takes his spear. He didn't speak
Speaker 1: my language, I didn't speak his, and he points in
Speaker 1: his eyes, he takes his here, and he just starts
Speaker 1: pointing out all the different tracks of animals, some of
Speaker 1: which were massive, right uh. And then he's showing me
Speaker 1: the slithering of snakes and all the way like the
Speaker 1: activity outside. And I asked the conservation officer, I said,
Speaker 1: so what does he do? How does he deal with
Speaker 1: those animals? And why aren't they eating him? It's like, well,
Speaker 1: he hides, he's spiritually and mentally tries to make himself disappear.
Speaker 1: He slows his breathing, he does all of these things
Speaker 1: that you learn to do to make yourself as small
Speaker 1: as possible in that environment, like a spear fisherman. Not
Speaker 1: only he's like I'm not here, I'm not here, But
Speaker 1: it goes back to that that that thing that we
Speaker 1: were talking before about, you know, human transformation, you know
Speaker 1: you can you were talking about the throwing stars and
Speaker 1: Ninja's The reason why I know there are people who
Speaker 1: have those what we would call supernatural skill sets, is
Speaker 1: because I've seen it with tribal people around the world.
Speaker 1: He actually made himself so small in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night the animals that he was worried would kill
Speaker 1: me because I don't know how to make myself small.
Speaker 1: We're not an issue for him. It was not because
Speaker 1: he'd been practicing it since he was a baby. It
Speaker 1: was taught to him. So when people say what's your
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of superpower do you want? It's
Speaker 1: always flight, right, But I've seen real people have super
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to put a cloak
Speaker 1: around myself and make myself small where nothing would perceive me.
Speaker 1: Now we are talking about a night in the middle
Speaker 1: of an African country, five dred of thousand, seven, fifty
Speaker 1: miles from the nearest anything, right, But still, what a
Speaker 1: skill set to have to be that in touch with nature.
Speaker 1: So those are the things you learn when you embrace
Speaker 1: the outdoor lifestyle, the world that's around us, the natural
Speaker 1: world that's around us. Yeah. One of the things I
Speaker 1: saw um in South America traveling with the Amerindian group
Speaker 1: was that, uh, that really stuck with me. We actually
Speaker 1: tried to do what we call it the Mkushi code
Speaker 1: of silence, but it's just Kushi code of silence. But
Speaker 1: they do not do not, will not say anything at
Speaker 1: the level of volume that we're talking right now. That's correct.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't. If someone's down by the water,
Speaker 1: anyone would be like, hey, can you grab the it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. You walk down. You walk down and say
Speaker 1: into that person's ears, that's right. Never ever ever make noise.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's like talking about like being small
Speaker 1: as no one for any reason makes any noise. And
Speaker 1: they don't brush against ship. We we were out. When
Speaker 1: we came back from our first day of shooting with
Speaker 1: the Genoasi, everyone had burs all over their clothes, scratches
Speaker 1: all over their face. Some we looked like we've been
Speaker 1: run over by a truck. Because everywhere you go, even
Speaker 1: though we had walking sticks and you learn how to
Speaker 1: push thorns and all this kind of stuff, ship catches
Speaker 1: on your clothing. I mean, everything was like nipped up,
Speaker 1: torn up. I mean, we really looked like we were
Speaker 1: a mess, all of them completely unmarked. They just laughed
Speaker 1: at us. They're like, you know because and and you
Speaker 1: know they have they have the same behavioral system that
Speaker 1: you're describing. I mean, all first people's around the world,
Speaker 1: truly first people's, I think, have the same have that
Speaker 1: same ability. They don't they don't touch other ship. We
Speaker 1: just break ship, you know. I mean it's pretty it's
Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing. So yeah, and the food is great too.
Speaker 1: I mean the food is giant. If you've never eaten
Speaker 1: a hundred pound wild freaking porcupine, massive, it's like rodents
Speaker 1: of an unusual size. They're they're as big as as
Speaker 1: you pick. They're massive. Yeah, And they pull them out,
Speaker 1: they go down in the spear, they crawl into their holes.
Speaker 1: These are these are uh giant members of the rodent
Speaker 1: family with quills that they shoot at people, but which,
Speaker 1: by the way, are big enough on that animal that
Speaker 1: you can die. And they crawl face first into their burrows.
Speaker 1: Literally they are literally they can fling the quill the
Speaker 1: porcupines because you know there are porcupines, don't. Yeah, they can.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's defensive because they they there must and
Speaker 1: and all you'll you'll understand why in the second. So
Speaker 1: they go down, they kill the thing with the spear.
Speaker 1: They pull it out. The first thing they do is
Speaker 1: all the women descend on the thing and they use
Speaker 1: because the quills are so big, they're hollow, and they
Speaker 1: use it for jewelry, and they cluster the tips together
Speaker 1: to make these little poking weapons and and sewing needles
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. Right, So then you're left
Speaker 1: with this bald porcupine, and it's all white fat because
Speaker 1: the quills are their hair, right, And it gets cold
Speaker 1: at night in the desert, so it's really thick and
Speaker 1: dense with the stuff. And so basically what they are
Speaker 1: surrounded with and Kevin Steady yourself is a blanket of
Speaker 1: bacon is all around them. Okay, so it's like an
Speaker 1: inch and a half thick piece of what I thought
Speaker 1: was fat. Well, when they clean the animal, they throw
Speaker 1: the meat and the bones up into the trees to
Speaker 1: let them dry. Then the first thing you eat is
Speaker 1: the blood and the skin. So the blood is beaten
Speaker 1: with uh animal milk or just beaten so the clots
Speaker 1: are taken out, and then you can drink the blood
Speaker 1: for health. And then uh you uh char the fat
Speaker 1: uh on both sides until it's blackened, and then everyone
Speaker 1: cuts it up with their knives and everyone gets a
Speaker 1: square that's like three or four inches in size. And
Speaker 1: when I got my cut piece, I looked at it
Speaker 1: and it was streaked with muscles like very thin finds.
Speaker 1: It wasn't pure fat. It was streaked with these pink lines.
Speaker 1: And you know, I realized that that's why that animal
Speaker 1: can dislodge it because it it essentially will constrict its
Speaker 1: muscle system and pop them out. Now, it doesn't throw
Speaker 1: them far, but if another predator, and there are very
Speaker 1: few for that animal, but there are. It does have
Speaker 1: predators um especially in other parts of Africa, ostrich which
Speaker 1: will eviscerate them from the belly where they don't have
Speaker 1: that ostriches. Just as a defense mechanism, they'll do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll kill the porkupines. No, no, no, the ostrich will
Speaker 1: will if they're threatened will so if one messes with it,
Speaker 1: it could kill it. And if a line, I mean
Speaker 1: it's the only Ostrich are the only animals that regularly
Speaker 1: kill desert lines down in southwestern Africa because they have
Speaker 1: that huge uh we call the dew claw on dogs,
Speaker 1: but it's it's massive and they literally do like a
Speaker 1: karate move where they stop. They will let the line
Speaker 1: chase it until it's tired enough and then turn and
Speaker 1: flick that leg up and just cut them open from
Speaker 1: it's the sharpest claw on the Ostrich's body. Um. But
Speaker 1: these these porcupines will shoot them, uh, you know, up
Speaker 1: to a foot two feet so that it by constricting
Speaker 1: their skin. But the point being that's what makes the
Speaker 1: fat so delicious when it's charred. It's just that sounds fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. And you know you just sit there and
Speaker 1: marvel at these people, their animals and how they live
Speaker 1: in in space, you know, in their space. It's it's
Speaker 1: quite quite something. Yeah, those are great experiences. Yeah, they're cool.
Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous. The takeaway on you know, the
Speaker 1: eating the bugs and the fruit that lead up to
Speaker 1: the kudo which is only a nine day fruit and
Speaker 1: bug season that leads up to and that fruit. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, my takeaway there is like first in, first
Speaker 1: out type of like don't spite the food in front
Speaker 1: of you to get to the food that's still going
Speaker 1: to be available next week. What was your takeaway there?
Speaker 1: Same Sam, It was frustrating as a television crew because
Speaker 1: we got there and we're like, well, you know, the
Speaker 1: producer director, you know, Chris is trying to explain to
Speaker 1: them he had to have a big sit down meeting
Speaker 1: for three or four hours, and we're like, you're not
Speaker 1: going to convince them to throw away forty thousand years
Speaker 1: of their tradition for your work here. Well, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to win. R. Zimmer and would like to
Speaker 1: do it. So the phone call his SAT call the
Speaker 1: first because when we went there, the iPhone iPhone just
Speaker 1: had its fifteenth birthday, So the the iPhone had birthday
Speaker 1: and we went there, uh, fourteen years ago, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand, nine years ago, so iPhones a
Speaker 1: brand new thing, so there was no faith all the
Speaker 1: things that are on the iPhone. Back then it was
Speaker 1: a phone with a camera, right, and a couple of
Speaker 1: apps in an app store, right, So there was no
Speaker 1: We're just relying on paper letters with the government to
Speaker 1: let us go in there. So there's no scouting, there's
Speaker 1: no we're going so far away, there was no sending.
Speaker 1: We didn't have budget to send someone scouted come back
Speaker 1: and figure out the beach sheet for our stories. We
Speaker 1: just trusted based on what we're told that we have
Speaker 1: eight million stories. We could make forty hours of TV
Speaker 1: with these people, which we could have. And so we
Speaker 1: get there and the very first thing we find out
Speaker 1: is that we're we've we've arrived a week early. There
Speaker 1: are no one because you know, and we refined shooting
Speaker 1: the bug and you know, we shot that. That's that
Speaker 1: was the story, and then we had to wait and
Speaker 1: that was actually there's only so much civilian was you know,
Speaker 1: just a person where I learned the most because we
Speaker 1: got to go out and do other things with them.
Speaker 1: We wound up shooting five days worth of b roll.
Speaker 1: But the learning. They make snap snares to trap this
Speaker 1: one bird that they roast um, and they have to
Speaker 1: walk ten miles in one direction to grab the berries
Speaker 1: that the animal eats, and they take it, then ten
Speaker 1: miles in the other direction right, so a twenty mile
Speaker 1: walk right, and they put them in a place where
Speaker 1: the birds fly by and are around, but where their
Speaker 1: favorite food doesn't grow, and they scatter them all over
Speaker 1: the ground and they make eight or nine little wooden
Speaker 1: snap snares, which they make in about four minutes with
Speaker 1: little knives that are are made out of stone. I
Speaker 1: mean the craftsmanship and the quick time on this stuff,
Speaker 1: the skill set, and then no one like hooks up
Speaker 1: the snap stare and then it goes and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got gotta be careful, gotta you know. There's just
Speaker 1: no test and measure. They just make them and they
Speaker 1: work and they lay these nooses on the ground and
Speaker 1: then where the berries are, and then we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll come back in a couple of days. And we
Speaker 1: walked back in a couple of days and every single
Speaker 1: one of them has a bird in it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, wow. Every one of them worked and they
Speaker 1: couldn't understood their translator. They couldn't understand the point I
Speaker 1: was making. They were like, why wouldn't do it if
Speaker 1: it wouldn't like my My point was that they couldn't
Speaker 1: even process it well because the question made no sense
Speaker 1: to them. We laid ten snaps snares. Of course we
Speaker 1: get ten birds, right, And I took all these refrigerators
Speaker 1: of work exactly, I and I pull and I took
Speaker 1: my knife out. The key to living with these people
Speaker 1: is to be useful, because they take their cues from
Speaker 1: the animal world. It's identical and vice versa. Right, So
Speaker 1: the useless people. Males are pushed out of the try
Speaker 1: their exiled, or they're just let to die, or they're
Speaker 1: not healed because they have limited resources. Right, that's how
Speaker 1: they deal with these things. It's a very very primitive
Speaker 1: system for human management. Right. So, um, you try to
Speaker 1: be useful. You just try to carry ship. You just
Speaker 1: if you want them to be impressed by you, you
Speaker 1: have to do ship right. And so I took up
Speaker 1: my knife and I was like, okay, I'll cut. I'll
Speaker 1: be useful, I'll cut the snares. And I almost got
Speaker 1: gang tackled when I took my knife out and moved
Speaker 1: towards the rope. And they said to me, we make
Speaker 1: the rope, and we use the rope until the rope
Speaker 1: goes back into the ground into dust, and until such
Speaker 1: a we don't We do not ever take a knife
Speaker 1: to the rope. The rope is sacred. That's how we
Speaker 1: get our food. And they carefully spool it up and
Speaker 1: put in their bags and return it to the community
Speaker 1: tree where anyone can use rope for something. And several
Speaker 1: days later we we finally got them to show us
Speaker 1: how they make rope. All thirty members the tribe sit down.
Speaker 1: They start splitting reads into these fine hairs, and they
Speaker 1: weave it using their toes and fingers so that they
Speaker 1: have more because instead of using your hands where you
Speaker 1: can have ten strands at once, if you lay in
Speaker 1: between your fingers use your toes, you now have twenty.
Speaker 1: And they make we shot. It's in the show. It's
Speaker 1: the most incredible thing. And then I'm like, well, how
Speaker 1: strong I'm thinking my house is my third day there.
Speaker 1: The rope is not that strong, right, use whatever primitive thing.
Speaker 1: And the guy says, show him how. My translator show
Speaker 1: him how. So he holds on one end of it
Speaker 1: and I and he literally two guys lift me up
Speaker 1: holding onto the rope with it around my wrists, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm two and thirty pounds at the time, I
Speaker 1: was two thirty six. It's just incredible. I mean that
Speaker 1: the stuff that's out there. I guess the point being
Speaker 1: is that, yeah, yeah, I I wish everyone could go
Speaker 1: spend time with them. But I've had similar experiences, not
Speaker 1: as profound, not as cool in the storytelling mode, you know,
Speaker 1: and or and sitting around with you guys. But we've
Speaker 1: all had those experiences out in the sitting by a
Speaker 1: river or on a boat or in a blind or
Speaker 1: just walking where you learn something or have a profound
Speaker 1: experience that changes your life. So if you don't get outdoors,
Speaker 1: you will never have those experiences ever. Ever, you just won't.
Speaker 1: And by the way, some of those experiences are testing
Speaker 1: yourself as a human being. I mean, I was duck
Speaker 1: hunting wants people in waiters and a guy had his
Speaker 1: waiter belt. He would liked to wear his dad's waiters
Speaker 1: and he used a waiter belt. Um, he wasn't wearing
Speaker 1: the right so of course he flipped. He's the guy
Speaker 1: who winds up in the canoe flipping. Uh in the
Speaker 1: freezing cold water of Canada in October November, where we're
Speaker 1: duck hunting, trying to get the last days of the
Speaker 1: season because as the holes as the ice forms, you know,
Speaker 1: you get those, you know they're really good hunt because
Speaker 1: they're just looking for a little bit of water. And um,
Speaker 1: he tipped in a canoe in a big piece of water,
Speaker 1: and we thought he died, by the way, in a
Speaker 1: horrible rain and windstorm that came up out of out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And so you you start talking about testing
Speaker 1: yourself when you see it and I'm not advocating let's
Speaker 1: all make a friend be in a dangerous place. But
Speaker 1: I had never had to go. I had never had
Speaker 1: to go save someone's life like that, right. I mean
Speaker 1: I pulled friends out of cars, you know, a car
Speaker 1: crash or something, or you know, drug overdose or things that.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about like you mother nature, friend in trouble,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to learn something about yourself
Speaker 1: or the other people around you, go through that experience,
Speaker 1: you know, um, And we saved him and he is
Speaker 1: okay because we got to them fast enough, because we
Speaker 1: did the smart stuff going in to that blind where
Speaker 1: we took I mean, we didn't want to carry it,
Speaker 1: but common wisdom was don't bring one canoe, right, and
Speaker 1: thankfully we had. We had a canoe right with us
Speaker 1: that we could jump into and go after him, right.
Speaker 1: And it's you were tested in ways that you will
Speaker 1: never be tested any other way in your life. You know,
Speaker 1: twist your ankle and you have to get over that
Speaker 1: mountain or you have to you know, pack that cheap
Speaker 1: up after shooting it. I mean I I almost, I
Speaker 1: mean I almost broke my ankle. That I've never felt
Speaker 1: as tested as I did in Hawaii hunting wild sheep
Speaker 1: on the top of a volcano. The ground is uneven,
Speaker 1: there's old lava, so plants. Everything looks like it's flat,
Speaker 1: but it's not. There's an ankle breaking moment every step
Speaker 1: you take, so you have to proceed very slowly, and
Speaker 1: so you have to feel dress the animals out there right,
Speaker 1: because it lowers the amount of weight that you're humping
Speaker 1: back uh to the camp and uh. You know. I
Speaker 1: did not think I was up for that, but I
Speaker 1: turns out I was capable of it. But I had
Speaker 1: to be pushed by someone else right who said, you
Speaker 1: can do this, you can do this. Um, I did
Speaker 1: not think. I did not think that I could, you know,
Speaker 1: And and I would have never learned that. It was
Speaker 1: one of those times where I was like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I bet I can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do the The fun hunting
Speaker 1: part of that one is that the species are so
Speaker 1: you're shooting from so far away. The sound takes a
Speaker 1: second or two to travel, So if you're a if
Speaker 1: you can quickly reposition your rifle, you can take two animals.
Speaker 1: The only graze for a couple of hours in the morning.
Speaker 1: When they do that's there all their water up at
Speaker 1: the top of this volcano during the warm weather months
Speaker 1: where it's not snowing, is from the dew on the grass,
Speaker 1: so they eat all the two. You have to go
Speaker 1: to certain places where there's the grass set up far
Speaker 1: enough away. And my guide was like, look, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't didn't come all this way to take, you know,
Speaker 1: just one animal. So when you shoot, before you pull
Speaker 1: the trigger, know where your second animal is going to be.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, they're just gonna bolt. He goes they're
Speaker 1: not gonna bult because they're not going to hear the sound.
Speaker 1: And we only hunt here like two days a year,
Speaker 1: he said, So those those sheep, those wild mountain sheep,
Speaker 1: are the trust me. Just know where your second shot
Speaker 1: is going to be. And so I just waited and waited,
Speaker 1: and I had to. They were kind of side by side,
Speaker 1: dip in their head and eating, and I just went
Speaker 1: one to and you know then I'm like, oh, now
Speaker 1: we each have to carry one. And you get down
Speaker 1: there and they're really big. Coming in was hard enough
Speaker 1: for me going out. That's why you mess that, because
Speaker 1: I'm all like every sheep I mean even even in
Speaker 1: farmyards or whatever. I'm like, oh, sounds a giant. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like whatever, little like Mary's little lamb. Heavy, heavy,
Speaker 1: And of course, of course my first my first thought is,
Speaker 1: you know, how how am I getting this out of here?
Speaker 1: And I I didn't put it together that oh, we're
Speaker 1: going to share the car in the meat, and he's
Speaker 1: going to make a sled with the skin of one animal,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to a certain point and then
Speaker 1: we'll carry it when we can't anymore because of the terrain.
Speaker 1: And we wound up cooking it in a well. He
Speaker 1: smoked it in a homemade smoking box that he made
Speaker 1: with sticks and green branches to sort of seal it
Speaker 1: up with a really low fire underneath. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to cook it for five or six hours.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, and I'm like, can we take
Speaker 1: one piece of meat and kind of lower it closer
Speaker 1: to the rill it up And he's like, no, we
Speaker 1: have to smoke at all, because this is the meat.
Speaker 1: We have to give half of it to the tribal
Speaker 1: pep bull on whose land where you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a there's a thing, there's a there's a thing we're
Speaker 1: doing here, and you know, the network note is, uh,
Speaker 1: why didn't Andrew eat any of the grilled meat? So
Speaker 1: that we had two different taste explanations and two different tastes.
Speaker 1: It's like, because we're violating ten thousand years of their
Speaker 1: tribal history and we wouldn't do that, and that they
Speaker 1: had a hard time understanding that. Tell uh, tell folks
Speaker 1: what you're working on now, because I know you've got
Speaker 1: a few handful projects going on. I do. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I after years and years and years of telling stories
Speaker 1: like this at dinner party, well making TV about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, telling stories about it. I met someone
Speaker 1: in Minnesota who invited me ice fishing. Uh. That was
Speaker 1: you know, one of the people who runs Outdoor Channel
Speaker 1: and he said you should really do you cook all
Speaker 1: that stuff? And I'm like, well, of course I do.
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, I said, look I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't do stand Inster TV. Uh And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: our viewers really like Standinster TV. And he saw some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that my production company was making and
Speaker 1: they said, do you want to do this show? And
Speaker 1: I said sure. So you know, Wild Game Kitchen got
Speaker 1: birthed from that in Premier September nineteen. Really excited about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to do some crossover stuff with Kevin, uh,
Speaker 1: which would be fun because we're full disclosure. Uh, we
Speaker 1: dated for a long time before he got married and
Speaker 1: I got We've been friends for a while, and it's
Speaker 1: it's great to be able to share those kind of
Speaker 1: things with people and just be a blast. Um. But yes,
Speaker 1: that's happening. I'm working on. I've waited to do a
Speaker 1: cookbook my whole life, to sort of structure it in
Speaker 1: a certain ways so that the cooking has to deal
Speaker 1: with the time periods in my life. Um, and it
Speaker 1: is kind of structured different ways. So I had the
Speaker 1: ways he got old enough to have enough. That's exactly right,
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And I also I'm not a cookbook
Speaker 1: guy in the sense that some people can you know,
Speaker 1: have five cookbooks in them where every year they're going
Speaker 1: to come out with a cookbook. Um, that's not my thing, right. UM.
Speaker 1: I tell stories in different ways, but I knew I
Speaker 1: had one great one. So let's just fire that. Let's
Speaker 1: use that powder, you know, at the best time possible, right, Um,
Speaker 1: And when are you releasing that so that I don't
Speaker 1: release the same time that heads up and be helpful.
Speaker 1: All right, Well I'll let you know. UM, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be really special. Um. And I
Speaker 1: can imagine something that's real special that you should do
Speaker 1: that also going to go on to um be very
Speaker 1: useful for you would be a compilation of compliments that
Speaker 1: you've delivered off of Iron Chef. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 1: about a skill unto itself. It is, it is beyond
Speaker 1: it's it's tertiary level deepness that you just can't get into.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's just being old and not dying
Speaker 1: and having a decent vocabulary and reading a lot and
Speaker 1: listening to people. You're bringing chefs to tears, like let
Speaker 1: me tell you about what you just well I just
Speaker 1: put in my mouth, you know something that it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, Iron Chef. The ratings were fantastic. It was
Speaker 1: it's still top ten for kids. It was top ten,
Speaker 1: you know, past the magic mark of two weeks. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Top Chef, sorry, Iron Chef, will be uh,
Speaker 1: we'll be picked up again, and I'm assuming I'll be
Speaker 1: a part of it, you know, for right now, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine a world in which I'm not the Uh
Speaker 1: that's a hard seat to give up. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: me giving up, it's it's it's networks and stuff sometimes
Speaker 1: make really crazy decisions like wow, that was great, Andrews incredible,
Speaker 1: But we're gonna wrote we want to rotate people. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's that conversation gets had. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that that person who says it isn't either applauded or
Speaker 1: shot down. I don't know which. And and I'd like
Speaker 1: to think that my um my being on that show
Speaker 1: helped make it, in a small way, a little bit
Speaker 1: of his success. And I've heard from people that they
Speaker 1: believe that. So I'm going to assume I'm doing it again.
Speaker 1: Um But the important I mean, the moments occurred to
Speaker 1: me simply because it goes back to being out in
Speaker 1: the world and seeing Ship one of the chefs who
Speaker 1: was on the show. I don't want to ruin it
Speaker 1: for people, but heav Ang among chefs from Minnesota, his family,
Speaker 1: among our tribal people. Uh. They live in the several
Speaker 1: areas where Thailand, Vietnam and Laos all come together. They're
Speaker 1: a hill people, their tribal they're an ethnic group. They've
Speaker 1: never had they've never had their own Hey, what's up, Yeah, Yang,
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out the thing you sent us to, the
Speaker 1: embroidery of young of Mong activities. Love it. So the
Speaker 1: largest population of Moong in America are in the Twin Cities.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I've gotten to know a lot
Speaker 1: of these folks really really well. Uh yeah, who's a
Speaker 1: chef and restaurateur and a phenomenal culinarian. Was born in
Speaker 1: a refugee camp and he came on iron chef and
Speaker 1: instead of cooking like, oh, three Moong dishes and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show you that I can cook Italian food too,
Speaker 1: he made five Mong dishes, knowing, by the way. And
Speaker 1: I can start crying thinking about it, because I know
Speaker 1: he knew that that was not necessarily the way to win.
Speaker 1: In other words, Okay, I'm not doing a dessert. You
Speaker 1: don't get knocked for that. But Mung food, for anyone
Speaker 1: who's eating it, has a limited number of ingredients and flavors.
Speaker 1: So if you're just cooking that food and someone else
Speaker 1: is doing more things more ways, based on the judging criteria,
Speaker 1: you're at risk unless that other person makes a mistake.
Speaker 1: But he, I think understood the moment, and no one
Speaker 1: else was calling it out. And it may be because
Speaker 1: I live in a place where the mung live, or
Speaker 1: maybe I've just been out in the world and seeing
Speaker 1: more marginalized human beings than other people have um and
Speaker 1: I brought up I just got everyone to stop, and
Speaker 1: they left in the show, but I essentially got the
Speaker 1: room to stop and just said, this is the first
Speaker 1: time mung food has ever been cooked on international television,
Speaker 1: first time ever, And so what that says about inclusiveness,
Speaker 1: and what that says about how we combat those who
Speaker 1: would not want to celebrate our diversity, what that says
Speaker 1: about how we accept marginalized people, and how we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be continuing to do that. Because the food was spectacular
Speaker 1: and what he showed was spectacular, and he took the heat.
Speaker 1: He used that opportunity to showcase not himself but his
Speaker 1: culture's food, and I thought that was just the coolest
Speaker 1: thing I've seen in a competition cooking show ever. To
Speaker 1: not have the ego to say I want to win.
Speaker 1: He said, I may win because the other person makes
Speaker 1: a mistake one of their dishes. Doesn't get plated. You're
Speaker 1: I mean, you're down your point, but right, so, I
Speaker 1: mean there's no coming back from that. But he's it's
Speaker 1: more important to cook my culture's food. And I think
Speaker 1: things like that are are absolutely mind boggedly That's that's
Speaker 1: the stuff that's important, uh to me. By the way,
Speaker 1: we were all things because I know we're running out
Speaker 1: of time. All things for are available at Andrew Zimmer
Speaker 1: dot com. My my new sub stack. I think is
Speaker 1: really cool. The book is gonna be really cool. Iron
Speaker 1: Chef's gonna be cool. I'm shooting another uh six episodes
Speaker 1: of Family Dinner starting in a week or two on Magnolia.
Speaker 1: UM and and probably most important for me at this
Speaker 1: point in my life because at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: TV is gonna stop, right. But the the other things
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, I'm I'm a member of the International
Speaker 1: Rescue Committee, which Einstein founded in ninety nine, and I'm
Speaker 1: the international voice of nutrition UH for them. David miliband,
Speaker 1: Tony Blair's old Secretary of State runs the i r C.
Speaker 1: And UM I've been able to work extensively uh with
Speaker 1: them and going with them to a few African countries. UH.
Speaker 1: Next year, I was blessed enough to be honored with
Speaker 1: being the United Nations World Food Program Global Ambassadorship. So
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of work with them. They're the
Speaker 1: largest relief organization in the world, um, and they they
Speaker 1: have the distribution and the people power to make a really, really,
Speaker 1: really big difference. So I'm I'm excited to be working
Speaker 1: with them. And you know, a lot of the other
Speaker 1: social justice stuff that I'm doing around food is changing
Speaker 1: and morphing because kind of the older you get, there's
Speaker 1: that sweet spot window where I've been doing it long
Speaker 1: enough that now I can like actually talk to congressman
Speaker 1: and senators and spend more time in d C lobbying,
Speaker 1: uh and arm twisting for the issues that I think
Speaker 1: are important, like the ones we talked about getting people
Speaker 1: to be able to spend time outdoors and preserving our
Speaker 1: natural world. So, um, it's a it's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: It's a great time. I'm not slowing down, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's for sure. I'm the you know, I just
Speaker 1: turned sixty one, and I'm proud of that because in
Speaker 1: my mind I'm like thirty, you know, and behaviorally i'm
Speaker 1: either thirteen or eight, depending on I have some clothes
Speaker 1: for it because I can be I suffer from infantilism,
Speaker 1: which you know means I'm extremely immature. Uh just for
Speaker 1: good solid a couple hours every day, um and uh.
Speaker 1: But as I get older, I I've been able to
Speaker 1: challenge some of my energies away from just the TV
Speaker 1: book sort of me me me is um and and
Speaker 1: try to do a little more US US US work.
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's a very natural
Speaker 1: progression for human beings. That's solid. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show. Oh this was a
Speaker 1: a bucket list cross off item. Well, I mean, I've
Speaker 1: known Kevin for a long time. You and I have
Speaker 1: have we've met once before, but known each other for
Speaker 1: a long time and obviously have had a lot of
Speaker 1: different paths of ours cross and traverse over the years.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm such a huge admirer of of people
Speaker 1: who do the right things with their platform, no matter
Speaker 1: how bigger, how small, And I've I've publicly said that
Speaker 1: for those who have been lucky enough to get a
Speaker 1: slightly larger platform, if they wasted it, to me, there's
Speaker 1: nothing sadder. There's nothing sadder than someone wasting their their platform.
Speaker 1: And from the very beginning, as your career started to
Speaker 1: get traction and the world started to respond to you
Speaker 1: the way they've responded to you, you have used your
Speaker 1: platform for so many incredible good things. I'm such an
Speaker 1: admirer reviewers, I'm such a big fan of your content.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm a bigger more than I like
Speaker 1: your content. I like what goes on between your ears
Speaker 1: because you've made a commitment to to to be yourself
Speaker 1: and create that platform to inspire other people and shown
Speaker 1: folks that you can change things with what you do.
Speaker 1: You can change hearts and minds, and you can educate
Speaker 1: and have fun at the same I called it adventure learning.
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of adventure learning, and I can't
Speaker 1: think of anyone who defines that with what they do,
Speaker 1: not with what they say, but with what they do,
Speaker 1: more than you. So this was a big bucketlet that
Speaker 1: the ask came in. I don't know what about chasing
Speaker 1: down other people, but when someone mentioned to me that
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to do this, I said yes
Speaker 1: right away because there was zero hesitation. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: for the very generous compliments. That's what cal was talking about,
Speaker 1: like that was a perfect example of we all just
Speaker 1: went time. Is that what you were talking about that?
Speaker 1: I'm solid, I'm good, but thanks, but it's very kind
Speaker 1: of you. It's the truth. It's all I do is
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And now he's going to be really
Speaker 1: mean to you during trivia. Yeah, now you get to
Speaker 1: watch the bloodthirst come in. Said, I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna do good. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It depends what the questions are. Just here. He's got
Speaker 1: this theory that being old is an advantage. That's why
Speaker 1: me and Brody dominate. Okay, um, let me give an
Speaker 1: oar tip. Okay, most of the answers you don't actually
Speaker 1: know the answer. It's a good guess. You just figure
Speaker 1: what you figure into. Okay, so you got a lot
Speaker 1: of things. You've got a lot of things to figure from. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're like, well, it wouldn't be that. That wouldn't make No,
Speaker 1: that's like any other like the S A T. S
Speaker 1: that I cheated on. Anyway, Yeah, let's go get Spencer. Ye, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's listen. Thank you Andrew Zimmer and thank you so much.
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