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Speaker 1: by very special guests. Andrew Zimmer hosts the More damn

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Speaker 1: that's where it starts to narrow itself down a little bit.

424
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Speaker 1: But in so many zillions quadrillions of opportunities, right, but

425
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: just the idea of life on another planet, even a

426
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: life form that may not be able to communicate with

427
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: us because of their timeline, Because it's like the most

428
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: advancing is the earthworm. There's stuff or whatever. There's stuff

429
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: out there. There is stuff out there well. And then

430
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: also going back to your original point, like consider that

431
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe there does come the day that we do finally

432
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: get that transmission, but it came from so far away

433
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: that that civilization they don't exist anymore, that's right there,

434
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: long since gone. So they sent it, and then it's

435
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: to send it at their height, and then they're gone, yeah,

436
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, and we think so highly of

437
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: ourselves that transmission will come in with like a word misspelled,

438
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: and we'll be like, that might be that's a that's

439
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: a future show for you, man. Planet. We're still trying

440
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: to figure out. We're still trying to figure out how

441
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: to feed our populations, whether it's for people for astronauts

442
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: or you know, feeding people for deep space exploration is

443
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: now the really big question mark. And it's fascinating being

444
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: around scientists down in in Houston or Florida at our

445
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: Space Centers California, at the different jet propulsion laboratory facilities.

446
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: And I've had the opportunity to be with some of

447
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: these food scientists who are so insanely smart and just

448
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: just the the engineering to feed people for a deep

449
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: space trip nutritive food that stays nutritive, right, because the

450
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: current way we feed our astronauts it becomes non nutritive.

451
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: And so you know, how do you grow sustain our

452
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: own life on these deep space voyages is something that

453
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: my brain just starts to fizzle out on. But it's

454
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. Have they watched that Matt Damon movie, Well,

455
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that's the whole figure out, that's the big jo, right

456
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: that was I saw it and it was like, you know,

457
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, we've all heard that. Our kids

458
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: tell us that I was. I can't member who was

459
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: with us? Oh you were? Yeah, Cridinal was there. Um

460
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: when we went a few months ago, we went to

461
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: we had dinner with Rogan and want to watch his

462
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: like I hope not like blowing something for him because

463
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: he's like developing a news show because anyways he's talking

464
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: about someone was he's with someone who's explaining like the

465
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: intricacies of getting people to Mars and all this ship

466
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and he says, but the whole time the person's explained,

467
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: the man he's just thinking how there's three people. He's like,

468
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: what if one of those guys brings a pistol and

469
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Speaker 1: shoots the other two. It was like it was like

470
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Speaker 1: one off one has a pistol and shoots one of

471
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Speaker 1: them and then himself, and then you're like after they launched,

472
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: So he's like some nomatters check them for guns. Oh,

473
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: here's a good one. We've covered this bunch, but I

474
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Speaker 1: want to talk about again Mountain Lions in Connecticut. Speaking

475
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: of mysteries, this is mysterious. You think other planets are mysterious.

476
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: This guy's riled up. So he's got he's got people

477
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: broken into two kinds of people. It's it's it's actually

478
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: not a dude, it's a it's a gal. He's maybe

479
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: one of ten audience members. So one of the ten

480
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: women listens to the show wrote in and she uh

481
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: um this time about there's two kinds of people on

482
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: this planet. I think there's two kinds of people. There's

483
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: people that divide people into two kinds of people. Uh.

484
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Speaker 1: But she's got it that there's two distinct camps. There's

485
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Speaker 1: mountain lion believers, Mountain lion deniers, two kinds of Connecticut.

486
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: That's it. There's no one in the middle. It's like

487
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I think It's like that everywhere to the Mississippi's people

488
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: who do not know what a mountain lion is, people

489
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: who don't give a ship like the category they fall in.

490
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: So there's mountain lion truthers, those that believe mountain lions

491
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Speaker 1: have an established breeding population statewide, but listen to the terminology,

492
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: because I want the listener to listen to the terminology

493
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: that she is using. Okay, those that believe mountain lions

494
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: have an established breeding population state wide in Connecticut. I

495
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: think that, like, I'm gonna get into the primary question,

496
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: but I'm asking her to listen to what she's saying,

497
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: established breeding population statewide. And mountain lion deniers those that

498
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: believe there is no established breeding population and the annual

499
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: lion sightings are a result of people's inability to distinguish

500
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Speaker 1: a bobcat from a lion. Goes on to state there's

501
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: a recent high profile sighting and a face post Facebook

502
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Speaker 1: post made by the Woodbridge p D acknowledging the sighting.

503
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Speaker 1: So it's police department hasn't happened a while. It's called

504
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: it's quite a stir based on the fact I'm quoting

505
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: and summarizing in a mix of quotes and summarizations based

506
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Speaker 1: on the fact that these sightings have never been substantiated

507
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: by any photos or tracks. Our Wildlife Division insists that

508
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: there is no established breeding population. With so many sightings

509
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and so many locals of all kinds of lion stories,

510
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: you think that in the age of the smartphone eighty

511
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Speaker 1: by thousands trailer This is more from the non people

512
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: saying smartphones trail cams. You'd catch one um every hunting

513
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: and agriculture facebook pages talking about this new sighting. One

514
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: look through the comments section will show how divided we

515
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: are on this issue. Goes on to say, my main

516
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: question for the lion truthers is if lions really are

517
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Speaker 1: breeding here, why does the Department of Energy and Environmental

518
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Protection deny their presence. What kind of secret, hidden agenda

519
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: does our underfunded, understaffed, and disorganized little Wildlife division have.

520
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: She's saying, maybe they just want to keep all the

521
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: lions of themselves. Maybe they respond to sightings by going

522
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: out at night, trapping the lions and bringing them to

523
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: their secret underground lion facility for secret testing. I would

524
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Speaker 1: love to hear you discussion. I love how that took

525
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: a hard turn into conspiracy theory. No, No, I think

526
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: she's saying, like, what if it's a common thing, you'll

527
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Speaker 1: commonly like in all these states where this happens, you'll

528
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: commonly here that like like all the time, Oh, fishing

529
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: game knows they're here. They don't want to admit it.

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Speaker 1: There's a lit like I want to tackle that from

531
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Speaker 1: it because there is a little bit of of a

532
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: validity too. Um. There are issues at play for states

533
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: to deny they have populations because and this is not conspiracy,

534
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: just like a thing, there's a there's a there's a

535
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Speaker 1: chance where remember recently, there was a there was a

536
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Speaker 1: bill to try to declare um it was it was

537
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: an e s a deal. It was like it would

538
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: be that if there was a Eastern cougar, if there

539
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: was an Eastern cougar, um, it would be a it

540
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: would be a dead ringer for Endangered Species Act protection. Okay,

541
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: so there is a little like not quite conspiracy theory

542
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: at for state agencies to come out and say, yes,

543
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: we have a very small um at risk breeding population

544
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: of a native large cat, there would probably be a

545
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: conversation about, well, what are you going to do to

546
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: protect that naturally recovered naturally occurring populations and that has

547
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: it would have all kinds of implications that has to

548
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Speaker 1: manage land and other animals. They're gonna be like, what's

549
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: your management plan, right, what's your recovery plan? Okay, so

550
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: there is a foot there is a understandable foot dragging

551
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: on the part of people just to come out and

552
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: a mountain lane gets hit on the side of the

553
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: road and for them to be like, Okay, we're gonna

554
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: have a management plan and a recovery plan and there

555
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: naturally right, is that he typt dollars and resources and

556
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: all the rest. That's what they'd rather just sweeping under

557
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: the rugs that the point reads look the other direction

558
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: or not like or it's what I here's my take

559
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: on it. I take on it is that, yeah, man,

560
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: there are mountain lions running around, but you have to

561
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: ask yourself, what does it mean to say that you

562
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: have an established breeding population. When lions turned up crazy places,

563
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: they're often able to be the you know, through genetic testing.

564
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: They'll be like, it's from a South Dakota Black Hills population,

565
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: which which is what happened what several years ago got

566
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: hit on the road, one struck out and did some

567
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: crazy ship just like in Missouri. Um, you know, I

568
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: remember that high profile, somewhat high profile case. A guy

569
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: came home from ball hunting and there was a coyote

570
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: trying to get into his chicken coop. He shoots the coyote. Nope,

571
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: he shot a wolf. From Michigan's up they wander around

572
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: in Missouri. So then does the state of Missouri then say, oh, well,

573
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: let's have a management plan for gray wolves, and then

574
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: five years agoes by. No one ever lays eyes on

575
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Speaker 1: another gray wolf. Oh we we had a case of

576
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: black bear that hopped on a grain barge yep and

577
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: ended up in some place that does not have a

578
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: black bear population. I don't care that, yeah, which apparently

579
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: is like not totally uncommon brutal the bear, right, Yeah,

580
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: they're notorious for wanting to catch free ride somewhere bears exactly.

581
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: That bear gradually almost made his way he wanted to

582
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: get hit, right, but almost made his way to like

583
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: almost ship lucked into a population of black bears in Arkansas,

584
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: which would been cool. So it's like, no one. I

585
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: don't know if any serious individual who looks at like

586
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: wildlife politics and wildlife trends. I don't know any serious

587
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: individual who doesn't think that legitimate wild born mountain lions

588
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: are making their way into the eastern US and showing

589
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: up an unexpected places. And I remember one there was

590
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Speaker 1: one that was hit that had been uh. She had

591
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: lactated and had like there was evidence that she had

592
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: read produced. She hadn't been de claude right, And no

593
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: doubt in places two of these things are coming together

594
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: and reproducing. But um, that isn't the same thing as

595
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: an established breeding population that a state would then go

596
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: in and have a management plan for. UH said on

597
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: behalf of the folks at deep over there in Connecticut.

598
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: I gotta work with with these folks, UH tagging um

599
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: or replacing radio colors on on black bears through the

600
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: NSSF one year and that was super awesome. And these

601
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: are just like you find I would say the majority

602
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: of in wildlife agencies and the majority of states that

603
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: they're very dedicated in carrying people. My observation is in

604
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: the state of Connecticut, your wildlife agency people get very

605
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: little time to deal with wildlife because you people that

606
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: have over people the state of Connecticut just keep calling

607
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: it for random crap and they just they don't have

608
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: any time to deal with the animals, but that's what

609
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: they want to do. So but they are dedicated wildlife folks.

610
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: And to Steve's point, you know, we had last year,

611
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: the year before, grizz sighting on the Clearwater River drainage

612
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: in Idaho. Now we know for a fact there's grizz

613
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: that trapes through the Panhandle of Idaho often, but there

614
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: is no evidence of an established grizzly population in that area.

615
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: We know there's established grizzly bears in southern Idaho on

616
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the g y e population, greater Yellowstone

617
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: ecosystem population. And I remember Idaho Fishing Game was getting

618
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: some some crap because they said, yes, we're we're acknowledging

619
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: that there was a sighting of like what is believed

620
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: to be a grizzly air in this drainage. Happened to

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Speaker 1: be the second year in a row. They were able

622
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: to find tracks that definitely looked like grizzly tracks, and

623
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Speaker 1: they were able to find hair, and then they were

624
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: not going to say this is a grizzly bear until

625
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: they did a DNA analysis on that hair, because as

626
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Steve just said, there's implement there's larger implications for a

627
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: state agency to say yep, you're right, because then they

628
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: have to change their management to say that this does

629
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: exist here, and it has implications on a bunch of

630
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, you're John Q. Fisher folk don't

631
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: have to worry about when they say, yeah, I saw

632
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: Grizzy the other day, like almost guaranteed immediate lawsuits too,

633
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: to be like suits like why is it not listed?

634
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Why have you not fulfilled your management plan? You know, yep,

635
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: there should be no bear hunting here because there's a

636
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Speaker 1: chance that a black bear is going to get grizz

637
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: is gonna get mistaken for a black bear, which does happen.

638
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: So I want to tell this Connecticut and what do

639
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: they call people from Connecticut? Not Connecticut? Can we can

640
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: we push for that for the Connecticut person. Though, here's

641
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: just the last thing I'll say on this subject. Clay

642
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: had an interesting observation with mountain lions showing up in Arkansas, Okay,

643
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: where it got to be like more trail camp pictures,

644
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: more stuff. Event Arkansas used to have a black bear

645
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: biologist one day. One day that biologists became the large

646
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: the state's large carnivore biologists or some such thing like that.

647
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: It was like a very subtle like his per view.

648
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: Suddenly his purview expanded right, and it was sort of

649
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: a Clay took it to be a subtle acknowledgement. Clay

650
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: Brice took it to be a subtle acknowledgement of the

651
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: existence of black panthers, like not just mountain lions, but

652
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: black panthers too. Uh on um marching along toward our

653
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: getting back to our conversation with our esteem guest Andrew

654
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Zimmer and Sean hit Us with the first Case of

655
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Homosexual Necrophelian Mallards. That'd great title for a movie. That

656
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: was a band, Oh, that would be a good band.

657
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: Name is the name of one of Carl's bans exactly.

658
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: It will be by the end of the day. First

659
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: case of homosexual necrophilia and Mallards, which is an actual

660
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: paper in the what journal was it? Shaan, Okay, Well,

661
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know what journal it was in. This guy,

662
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: so this guy C. W. Molliker back in recorded Drake

663
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Mallard running into the glass of the what must be

664
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: like the Natural History Museum, and he's even gotten pictures

665
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: of it. Here oh yeah he did. He did full

666
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: fledge documentation taking pictures of Cornelius Mullicker. Yeah, he's got

667
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: a heck of name. Uh. Drake Mallard clides into the glass,

668
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: being chased by another Drake Mallard, falls dead and proceeds

669
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: to get bread. Practically for seventy five minutes. Du documents

670
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing, takes pictures, collects the carcasses, the whole bit.

671
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: That's an interesting type of academic journal um and there's

672
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: like a there's like people will get journal journal articles

673
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: off just like a crazy observation, yeah, you know, and

674
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: you'll publish like people will publish an observation. And he

675
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: took six years to publish it because he was like,

676
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is something I really want

677
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: to deal with. And he ended up winning like a

678
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: satirical science award. It's called the ig Nobel Prize. That's

679
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: for weird science. The ig Nobel. Oh you know who

680
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: won that? Metten as well for his poop knife. It

681
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: seems to me to to add a new definition to

682
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: the term screwed the life out of you. I mean,

683
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: that's as now he was. There's a speculation that when

684
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: it collided with the glass. It was engaged in an

685
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: attempted rape flight that resulted in the collision because it

686
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: was running away from this other drake, is what he

687
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: supposed this ad. Yeah, anybody's watched prison movies knows that

688
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: this all makes sense. Well, prison movies lack barbed penises. Yeah,

689
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: that's true. Mallard does not. What I like is now

690
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: that it's become like a holiday. It's Dead Duck Day

691
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: on June five, and he like him and a bunch

692
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: of people go back to the Natural History Museum. Yes, yes,

693
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: and then they pretty much host a vigil and then

694
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: walk to a local Chinese restaurant for a six course

695
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: for a six course duck dinner. Wow, yeah, I'm going

696
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: to that. I need that. I'd want to get it

697
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: on the meal part, but I might sit the vigil out,

698
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: depends on the restaurant. Yeah. He even has like a

699
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: there's pictures of him like giving a speech with a podium,

700
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: the whole bit. He's leave you close at the door.

701
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: I have the vigil now. Yeah. Uh. Fell named Cody

702
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: wrote in on my way home from work, you'll see

703
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: that we're near. We're closing in on your terrain. Attention

704
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: pay attention, get ready we start wide. I mean the feeling,

705
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that was I felt super dialed

706
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: in when we started talking with the Necrophiliam Mallard. He

707
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: thought we were like started the interview. Um, what happened here?

708
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh God named Cody writes my way home from work.

709
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: I was listening to podcast episode three to one Yate

710
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: test my meat, and part of the conversation raised a

711
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: question for me. In your conversation about brining, you guys

712
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: discuss how adding other ingredients into a brine will not

713
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: make the cut of meat take on those flavors. What

714
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: I was just saying is when you're mixing up a

715
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: brine and you get into just like things, you're like,

716
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: come on, like three peppercorns, I was like, just put

717
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: the pepper on, Like it's not you're not. No one's

718
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: gonna taste the one and be like, is there a

719
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: hint of peppercorn? It's just like pepercorn. Yeah, Like it

720
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: looks cool on the brine. The Brian looks cool with

721
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: stuff floating in it. But I'm just like, at a

722
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: point there's some things that like there's no way on

723
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: planet Earth even the most finest palette on the World

724
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: Taste that there were peppercorns in that brine. The example

725
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: this is Cody talking. The example in the podcast was

726
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: including a bay leaf in the Brian My question is

727
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: how is dried one? My question is how is marinading

728
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: meat different? Unless I'm mistaken, soaking meat and the marinade

729
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: will make that meat soak up the flavors of the marinade,

730
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: not the leaf. But based on the brining discussion, I'm

731
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: not wondering if my outlook on marinading meat is wrong.

732
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Can meat actually soak up a marinade? He is wrong? Yeah,

733
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: because it's just explained it. We're talking about you very

734
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: different things, all right. So without going into the minut

735
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: shift this because I know I'm the one who throughout

736
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: the whole Baileaf thing. Kevin GILLASTI here, Yeah, Hey, hello everyone.

737
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: I know you thought I was Randy Savage earlier, but

738
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: the whole time, um man, you're going that Bailey is

739
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna work, can't stay off drugs. Let me tell you something,

740
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: this is excellent. I'm doing the rest of the podcast

741
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: in my pseudo Randy Savage. I won't be able to

742
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: talk later. That just grinds your Yeah, um okay, So

743
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: we talked about this. Brining is is a water based solution.

744
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: Not a lot of a lot of the things that

745
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: people throw in brine's are not water soluble, so they

746
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: won't ever break down in a water based Onions and

747
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: garlic are So that's one of the times when it

748
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: actually will work. If you pure up an onion and

749
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: you added into your brine, you will get an onion

750
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: flavor that penetrates into the meat because your piggyback on

751
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: you travel with the water in the osmotic reaction. Ever

752
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: looked up water in your dictionary, No I have. It

753
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: describes it describes that. One of the parts of the

754
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: description is it describes it as an almost universal solvent

755
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: and grab a dictionary stat um. So here here's the

756
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: deal with the marinating of brinie. There are two different things.

757
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: In modern parlance. Marinades imply in acidic liquid, whereas brine

758
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: implies a water based liquid. Good, nice and clean is

759
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: the that's the clean answer for you until you start

760
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: to put acids care into their right and there's and

761
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: there is, there's there's a lot of fine subtlety. What

762
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: acid based brian water based brian's are very effective because scientifically,

763
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: because the way the chemistry of it works, they work.

764
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: Marinades on the other hands, on the other hand, don't

765
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: really work. Now, it's not to say they won't make

766
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: things taste like something. That's a whole different subjective conversation,

767
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: because well, right, because ship gets on the outside and

768
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: you cook it and and of course it's still going

769
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: to be there. But they didn't test. A few years ago,

770
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Cook's Illustrated actually did this, which is a great magazine

771
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: for folks who don't subscribe to it, and they marinated

772
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: meat for eighteen hours and then they tested to see

773
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: what the penetration level of the marinade was, and it's

774
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: it's a fraction, it's millimeters. Well not if you took

775
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: a fork and stabbed a million times. So what they did, right,

776
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: So there's mechanical ways that you can, of course inject

777
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: something into something, but if you just drop it into

778
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: a liquid, which is what people do, they then took

779
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: it and shaved off like down to the level that

780
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: they could see that the marinade penetrated, cooked them, and

781
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: then blind tasted and people could absolutely not taste the

782
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: difference between something marinated and something not Marka. Here's where

783
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm calling a little bit of bullshit. Okay, here we go.

784
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Steve likes to call bulls, but I think you should

785
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: factor this in. Okay, making cevich by your definition, you're

786
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: marinating little teensy pieces of fish. Yeah, we haven't gotten

787
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: there yet. There's more to this, So there's levels. Right,

788
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: So marinades and brine with enough concentration and time will

789
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: both transition into curing and pickling the same liquid. And

790
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: that's a whole different thing. So an end pressure, right,

791
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: because you can do it under pressure in a in

792
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: a vacuum sealed bag. So when you take something like

793
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: sevich at a high enough acid level, you do, in

794
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: fact cause the d naturing of protein. It's sat long enough.

795
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: You've manually made it small enough so that the absorption

796
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: level will break, so that little one eighth inch of

797
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: penetration coming from four sides is meeting in the middle. Correct.

798
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: There you go, Especially on a small cut of fish. Again,

799
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: you have to consider that the protein structure of fish

800
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: is different than land mammals, than than than meat. It

801
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: is different than vegetables. Marinating vegetables is very effective because

802
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: the cellular structure of a vegetable is very different than

803
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: than a piece of protein. And so when you go

804
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: in and you say it works versus it doesn't work,

805
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: that's where you get into the slippery slope, because they

806
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: all work. It's just are they doing what you think

807
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: they are doing. And so most people marinate for two reasons,

808
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: either to make something more tender or to make something

809
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: taste different. And if you're talking tenderness, it doesn't really

810
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: work because the acid really just d natures the protein

811
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: on the outside. It makes it mushy, but it doesn't

812
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: really make it more tender. Like in the objective using

813
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: the Werner Ratzler machine, we wouldn't have a more tender

814
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: piece of meat. If you're talking taste, of course it can,

815
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: but does it get to the center of the meat?

816
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Does it penetrate all the way down? Absolutely not. It

817
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: does count the outside with something, and if that something

818
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: is viscous enough that it will stay put on the outside,

819
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: then of course it can affect. And let me just

820
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: jump in here and say what confuses a lot of

821
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: people is the fact that then after those processes happen,

822
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: what the the cook does with it then also affects

823
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: the outcome and I'll give the most simple explanation in

824
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: the whole world when you talk when you talk about

825
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: actually changing texture and flavor, uh live culture, yogurt marinades

826
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: on tan dourry chicken, if you're eating it in India

827
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: or somewhere where someone actually has the expertise to have

828
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: done this. I have friends who have come back and said,

829
00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I have experienced the taste and texture breakdown, and that

830
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: is the because of the way they butcher, for example,

831
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: their poultry. They will butterfly chicken legs right cut down

832
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: to the bone on one end, flap the pieces open,

833
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: thereby making it a half inch thick piece of meat

834
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: instead of a three or four inch in circumference piece

835
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of meat right with me. And therefore that yogurt and

836
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: those spices will because they do it for twenty four

837
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: thirty six hours, will penetrate it, and the turmeric that's

838
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: in there will change the color, and on and on

839
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: and on, and then they fire roast it. But because

840
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: it's a smaller width of chicken, it's only in that

841
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: nine degree tandor for seven eight minutes. So consequently a

842
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of that yogurt marinade is left behind. But the

843
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: yogurt actually does its job denaturing that protein, and so

844
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: there are outliers like that that confuse the piss at

845
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: it right, like something like the one that I always

846
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: used for people that they might not know this dishes

847
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: shash leek, the like the Eastern European kebab. You see

848
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: it in Russia, Ukram in places like that. So there

849
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: are people that don't write um, but it's a perfect

850
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: example of sash leek. It's where marinade and brine kind

851
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: of crossover because you end up with a watery, onion

852
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: based like you blend up onions to make the liquid.

853
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Then you add some sort of dairy it's usually what

854
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: we would call sour cream. It's not exactly sour cream,

855
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: but a dairy based liquid that has then acid in it.

856
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: But it does actually affect it because you will get

857
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: that osmotic water transfer so to pull the onion into

858
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: it while simultaneously getting a little bit of tenderizing effect

859
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: from that lactic acid on the outside. And again the

860
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: meat is cut very small. It's not only cut small,

861
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: it's cut in a manner that exposes that internal muscle structure,

862
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: so it's taking away some of the effort that the

863
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: marinade would actually have to go through Kosh or either no, no,

864
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think that's ever been factored in,

865
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: particularly based on my historical knowledge of the region. Well

866
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: rabbinical traditions, states um, So to answer that dude's question,

867
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: and actually, you know what we are filming tomorrow. We

868
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: are filming a brining one oh one video for the

869
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: Meat Eater website that we're gonna because of how many

870
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: people right in with these questions. We're not gonna go

871
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: ultra deep. If people watch it and we get good response,

872
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: I'll do a one oh two. We'll keep going gallant.

873
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: But we're gonna help people understand why you would do it,

874
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: how you do it, and really in this one, it's

875
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: just generalized to meet and fish and what parts of

876
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: silly yeah, and what doesn't make any sense, and stop

877
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: wasting your time and money. Frankly, because I've watched people

878
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: make elaborate turkey Brian's for Thanksgiving that include ingredients. Look

879
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: like I've brined mine with a little bit of shaved truffle.

880
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: You're like, we could have just taken it outside and

881
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: thrown it in on the ground. Martha Stewart on very

882
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: popular recipes. Is the twenty dollar turkey Brian, Yeah, that

883
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: has a you know, fifteen dollar bottle of the worst demeanor,

884
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's just like people are wasting

885
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: their time and money. If you want those flavors, you

886
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: can accomplish it. But as you said to your points

887
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: to three, malvar peppercorns are not going to make their way.

888
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: After Martha Stewart got in trouble for Inside of Trading Um,

889
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: she was profiled in the New Yorker and there's always

890
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: something that broke my heart. And the end the writer

891
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: is there was you know, people like really jumped on

892
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart. She went like, just people are always kind

893
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: of looking for like a chink in the armor. So

894
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: also every like hated Mark Stewart. And she's eating lunch.

895
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: She cooked the chicken dish. She's eating lunch with the

896
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: journalist and they're eating it with chopsticks, and the journalist

897
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: comments on the chopstick, and Martha Stewart said, I read

898
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: somewhere that thinner chopsticks, the thinner the chopstick, the more

899
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: elegant the chopstick is, right, senmy use like silverware for

900
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: us to demonstrate elegan, so she said, So I went

901
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: out and bought the thinnest chopsticks I could find, And

902
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: I think that's why people hate me. It's an incredible

903
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: comment on her and I've I've had the I've known

904
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: her since I was a teenager, and uh, the phases

905
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: of her life are incredible. The thing that impresses me

906
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: the most about Martha, all the food stuff aside, is

907
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: to be a single mom. Uh, to realize that you

908
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: that you are not going to get any support from

909
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: your ex, the father of your your child. You were

910
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: going to then establish a catering company out of your home,

911
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: and then that morphs into everything that she had built

912
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: up into the point of the insider trading situation. She

913
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: has then removed as the head of her company. Right,

914
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: still owns a piece of it. Blah blah. I mean,

915
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, don't cry for me, Argentina, Right, I mean

916
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: she but but essentially removed does her time in the

917
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: stir without saying anything about anyone like does does the

918
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: time And I do not care if it's a country club,

919
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: prison or not. You were in you were in a

920
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: prison environment. I don't want to be I'm sorry. Nobody

921
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: wants to having been in those plays, nobody wants to

922
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: be there. And then she comes out and over the

923
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: course of the last twenty three years since that happened,

924
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: twenty years since that happened, has now come back bigger, stronger,

925
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and better than ever. The woman is an incredible force,

926
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: and at eighty years old, the most recent interview that

927
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: I just saw here is still complaining about what What

928
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: did she say? Most recently, the men that I want

929
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: to date, who are the most attractive to me are

930
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: usually already taken, and they're the husbands of my friends.

931
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: Is it bad to wish them dead? Ah? I she

932
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: was trying to make a joke about about it, But

933
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean this, this woman, I haven't I have a

934
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: lot of it is I have a lot of respect

935
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: for Mark Chopstick comments aside, because that is why people

936
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: came there. There was a time in her life where

937
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: she was creating tablescapes that no one in the world

938
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: would ever consider reasonable or have the time to do

939
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: except her three or four friends and my stepmom. Correct,

940
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: And that was that was her audience, and there was

941
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: nothing It was aspirational. It was an aspirational time, and

942
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: it was the world so tiny post prison. Martha Stewart

943
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: is like Universal and and Giant Age Range and she's roasting.

944
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: She hangs out, I'm a Martha Stewart and Kevin Kevin is,

945
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: and Kevin will back me up on this when when

946
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: when people come to me and say, what are the

947
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm just learning to cook? But the how two books

948
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: bore me. I want something that's simple recipes that are

949
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: like tested and retested five thousand times and are guaranteed

950
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: to work. And I refer them to a line of

951
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: small magazine booklets that you can still get online and

952
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: find on her website, and it's Martha Stewart every Day.

953
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: And it's that those recipes for a first time cook,

954
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: not only you're delicious and contemporary and use good ingredients,

955
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: they're simple, efficient, They take forty five minutes to get

956
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: on the table. It is I've recommended those two more

957
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: people with more success because she has them tested and

958
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: retested and I don't know also like just the method

959
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: that she uses, like tested by people who could make mistakes,

960
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: Like so it's they've already they've already done all the

961
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: work for you, Like they wouldn't have published if they

962
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been full proof. Yep, she's a baller. You pay attention, chrimp,

963
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: She's a ball So Martha Stewart as a guest oh

964
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: man on the same show, preferably with Jared Diamond. Mike

965
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: cons has like the pandemic. Mike is winding down. No,

966
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Mike and I are talking. He's yeah, it's gonna happen.

967
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: Can we bring Snoop Dogg along with because Macho Man

968
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: still around, No, he's not. We can xum his remains

969
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: and bring him in for there as still pretty small. Yeah.

970
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: If you go back in time, what was the first

971
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: what was the first moment you became aware of the

972
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: disciplines of hunting and fishing? Uh? With my father, we

973
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't call it foraging, but we went out and went

974
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: around in the woods, well the woods, the beaches, the

975
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: ponds that I mean. We we gathered rose My mom

976
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: would gather rose hips with me in the in the morning.

977
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: You had to do it the at the very earliest

978
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: hours of the day when they were still moist with

979
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: the dew, before they dried out. This is a little

980
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: little kid where Long Island we we we you know,

981
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: we went clamming. We uh fish for striped bass. Every

982
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: night on the beach. Um we uh took old rotted

983
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: chicken legs and threw them out on the string in

984
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: the water and pulled slowly and would gather, I'm looking

985
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: at a bushel basket of blue crabs here in the studio,

986
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: and we pull that up and do a crab right there.

987
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: Fantastic exactly. We would we would hand line for eels

988
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: in the harbor and nail them to trees, run a

989
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: little pen knife around their neck and strip matter their

990
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: skin and just put them on the grill. Which is

991
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: people identify as out as outdoors, not at all, men

992
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: and women, not just life. Absolutely and and this is

993
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: what's fantastic. If you had said to them, if if

994
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: you had said of them, oh, you're living an outdoors lifestyle,

995
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: they would look at you and say, you're ridiculous. We're

996
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: just living a lifestyle. Now. This is in the sixties. Um.

997
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: And you know both of them grew up in the depression,

998
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: uh a little bit, but they weren't super cris My

999
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: dad was. My dad ran a big advertising agency. My

1000
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: mom was a free and loose like sixties housewife. You know,

1001
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was an interesting time, a free and

1002
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: loose sixties housewife that she would, uh my father did

1003
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: well enough that uh in her apartment. I don't know

1004
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: how many of you have read some of the Tom

1005
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Wolf books about New York City in the sixties when

1006
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: Park Avenue housewives were raising money for the Black Panther

1007
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: Party in there, you would I mean, Huey Lewis would

1008
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: you know some of those people would show up to,

1009
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, raise money in living rooms where you know, wealthy,

1010
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: free and loose Park Avenue house So she was like

1011
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: she was like had ruined to be a common cultural

1012
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: six super utopian socialist and all the rest that, but

1013
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: at the same time enjoyed the privileges that came with,

1014
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, a a booming one per center class that

1015
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: has kept growing going forward. Don't use the word loose

1016
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: about your own, moll. Now, that's that's different because one

1017
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: of the things that I loved the most about her

1018
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: was that, and I mean this is the most respectful

1019
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: way possible. When she divorced my father because of certain

1020
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: things within our family, she went on a run for

1021
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: like eight or nine years. We're looking back at it.

1022
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: I was like, way to go up, Way to go mom,

1023
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: and and it included I mean some pretty well. I

1024
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: was like, like, way to go, mom, Uh, parents sound

1025
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: like it was fun to be a kid. Oh the best,

1026
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: because my father would take me traveling all around the world.

1027
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you caught onto that right away.

1028
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: He actually took me places and taught me ship and

1029
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: said you will need to know this later in life.

1030
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: And it was an incredible education. Um. And some of

1031
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: my friends who when I got to college were into

1032
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: uh hunting and fishing. I already had experience a lot

1033
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: of experience fishing. I'd gone, I'd raised a gun to

1034
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: my shoulder once, and by the time you hit college.

1035
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: By the time I hit college, and then one of

1036
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: my uh the very close friends, his family had thousands

1037
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: of acres near O Sable Falls in uh northwestern New York,

1038
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: and he said, you gotta come up deer hunting sometime,

1039
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: and I went up. I had a fantastic time, harvested

1040
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: two animals, and I was hooked because I was already

1041
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: cooking at the time, and I was eating all these

1042
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: things with my dad. So when I was traveling with

1043
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: my father and Kevin and I were talking before we

1044
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: started recording about how much game meat is eaten overseas

1045
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: and because it's you can bring it into restaurants, right.

1046
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: It's it's a different situation than we have here. Um.

1047
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: I was eating wild foods that were hunted and I

1048
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: I was threatened, But come back home. Why can't we

1049
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: have this? It tastes better than uh, you know, beef? Right?

1050
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: For example, There's certain animals that I tasted and have

1051
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: gone back and hunted and tasted and continue to go

1052
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: back and taste, especially African uh hoofed animal species that

1053
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: I would eat instead of beef every day of the week. Um.

1054
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: And there are species of of hoofed animal in in

1055
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: Italy like donkey and horse that are eating regularly not hunted,

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: but but but sustainably farmed that you know. I mean, look,

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm the person who stood up loud and clear and

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: said we need to diversify our food resources and and

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: made a show for thirteen years that sort of preached

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: that out the wazoo. I mean, so, I mean, you

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01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: know where what stands I come from? Uh, But that's

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I got hooked. And then the

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: pleasure of all of the learning that took place, because

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01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: for me it was new. I grew up in an

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: apartment in New York City. Right. So, through my television

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01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: work and through some experiences with friends before that, I

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: was able to go places and do things that very

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: few people are actually able to do. And as everyone

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: is at this table knows, because I'm preaching to the converted.

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: Once you experience that, you never go back. I don't

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: know anyone who's ever gone out, uh, fly fishing in

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: a place where you can actually take a fish if

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: there's a slot limit for it, or or or gone

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01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: out duck hunting or or goose hunting and then experienced

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: what it's like to actually eat the food that you've taken,

1076
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: and to do it in a responsible way, and to

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01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: learn about what are ancestors did with bones and feathers,

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: and to start to get into the the fun part

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: of it, which is not necessarily pulling their trigger letting

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: an arrow fly, but is actually being in tune with nature.

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: We're so out of tune with nature. It's why I

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: love that book, uh that you wrote the Outside, because

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01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it's so it's it's of such vital importance. And

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: it changed my life, changed my perspective on things, and

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01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: gave me a respect for other cultures. And other people

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01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: that we desperately need today. We desperately need it. We

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01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: have become a nation so divided we can't even talk

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: to one another about civic issues that are for our

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01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: national betterment for everyone. Right, Um, and I'm not talking

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01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: about left right or red or but I'm just about

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: forward as a as a society. And to go back

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: and to look at my life and say, hey, where

1093
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: did I learn that? Where did I become more accepting

1094
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: of other people and other traditions and things like that.

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: It's all. It all goes back to how I I'll

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: just call it gathered food. And I think that's a

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01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a vital importance today. Do you do

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: you feel that the difference there, Like, do you feel

1099
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: it's beneficial? Like trying to think how you put this?

1100
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: Do you advise people to be like, you know, what

1101
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: you ought to do for your own betterment is go

1102
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: out and like eat a hand secured meal, yes, and

1103
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: not just okay, tell me about that. Ye. Well, there's

1104
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: two sides to this point. So let's let's talk about

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: diminishing uh resources in our human created, finite world. Um,

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01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 1: if everybody took uh a meal replacement meal and a

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: can once a week, and everybody took a meal from

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: the wild once a week, which by the way, could

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: be vegetarian. I'm just saying a meal from the wild, right,

1110
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: and we skipped one meal a week. And I'm not

1111
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: talking about children or seniors or people with with health issues.

1112
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: So don't at me with a million you know, ridiculous

1113
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: comments on Twitter, right, I mean, we all know what

1114
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. A meal, not a day, but a meal,

1115
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: a meal, just a meal. So one meal in a can, yep,

1116
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:30,480
Speaker 1: and skip one. We eliminate one seventh of our reliance

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01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: on factory farms and factory produced food and big ad

1118
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: produce food, etcetera, etcetera. Right, It radically reshapes our dependence

1119
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: on these places and will help us decentralize our food system.

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Speaker 1: I still believe in a world it We can't do

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01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: it everywhere, but I visited enough places where people still

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: hunt at night for their breakfast and hunt during the

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: day for their dinner. And the connection to the natural

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: world that I take from those experiences is to me

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01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: of vital importance. And if human beings can, I mean, look,

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: I it's coming out next When does this air? This podcast? Okay?

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01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: So by by this time it will have been announced

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: that I've I'm a co founder of a sustainable UH

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: seafood alliance. I'm obviously a a very UH active social

1130
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: justice UM proponent, and I work with a lot of

1131
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: different food groups across the country and across the world

1132
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: UH in trying to provide UH help for those who

1133
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: need it, for those who are able to the wisdom

1134
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: that comes with taking. And it's not just about how

1135
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: to harvest an animal. I'm talking about spiritual wisdom. I'm

1136
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: talking about personal growth. I'm talking about a a connection

1137
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 1: to other people and the world around you. You become

1138
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: people who live a lifestyle that incorporates even casually being

1139
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: in the outdoors and harvesting meals from there. To me,

1140
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: are the most in the majority, the most open minded,

1141
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,959
Speaker 1: forward thinking. I was just I mean, just the bullshitting

1142
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: we were doing before the microphones you know, went on.

1143
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: All I was I was listening. All have to do

1144
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: that would really with making the world a better place, right,

1145
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: You have to understand the world if you're going to

1146
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: do anything about it. I famously said, and well I

1147
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't say well, sure, I'll say it because it was

1148
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: quoted everywhere. But in What's in America one of our episodes,

1149
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: I I was sitting on a John Dear tractor and

1150
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: I and I looked at the camera and I said,

1151
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to understand what's happening on

1152
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: American farms, I suggest you visit one. People who are

1153
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: talking about the outdoors with never having spent time in it.

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, how about fuck you if you're talking about,

1155
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: you know, farming in America and you've never spent time

1156
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 1: on a farm, big or small, you know, I get

1157
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: I get outraged at it. Where do you learn that

1158
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: scrabble dictionary? I mean, get out there and live it,

1159
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: just just for a day, experience it so you can

1160
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: develop Because everyone is entitled to opinion unless you're pulling

1161
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 1: it out of your ass. It absolutely drives me crazy.

1162
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: And and and by the way, you know, my personal stance,

1163
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: my civic stance, my political stance is vastly, vastly one sided.

1164
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,440
Speaker 1: But I still learned all of that in the outdoors.

1165
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: You take what you want from a develop your opinions

1166
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: by actually being there right regardless of where they may fall.

1167
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: But if you do not get out there, how do

1168
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: you I'll give you a really great example. Um, I

1169
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: believe everybody has to have a relationship with the power

1170
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: greater than themselves. If you think you're the be all

1171
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: and end all, and you're living totally an ego, you

1172
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: will not be successful in life. I gotta I don't

1173
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: want to bore people with two hours of stories about it,

1174
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: but you know, flat out, you have to believe in something.

1175
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, but believe in something

1176
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself. It could be nature, it could be family,

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: it could be other human beings, it could be believe

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: in something bigger than yourself. Right, So i'm i'm I'm

1179
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 1: hunting elk. Out with the leaders of the Taos Pueblo

1180
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: and we go up to one of their sacred mountains. Um,

1181
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: we heard elk, We we called elk, we saw elk.

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01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: It was it got too dark and we were too

1183
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: far away. Never put the gun to my shoulder. Still

1184
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, greatest nights of my life. And

1185
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: then we sat around a fire for five hours with

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: their ward chief, with their tribal leader, with people, and

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: they started teaching me about the mountain we were on,

1188
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: and about the history of their of their people, and

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: they just told stories, because that's how they communicate and

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: pass on traditions by telling stories. Uh. And we we

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: put it in the show as best we can. You know,

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: we got forty four minutes with commercials um. But it

1193
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: was afterwards when one of them said to me, came

1194
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 1: here and we we we walked around about I don't know,

1195
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: a quarter mile down this this hill to this place

1196
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: that was just like two acres of six inch deep moss.

1197
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: That's all it was was moss, this huge field of moss.

1198
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: But it happened to they They called it a very

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: sacred ground because it faced a certain constellation of stars.

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01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: And I lay down there and he started to talk

1201
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: to me about, you know, some of their spiritual practice

1202
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: and what other people might call godly belief and wisdom.

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: And it absolutely I have never forgotten that moment. I

1204
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: remember every word that was spoken to me, and it

1205
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: was really all about what we do for other people

1206
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: and being in service to other people, that that's our

1207
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: purpose with being here on planet. That they believe that

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: we are meant to love each other and be of

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: service to other human beings full stop, which was identical

1210
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: to what the shaman of the Juntawaisi and Botswana had

1211
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: said to me after a trans dance where he he

1212
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: and he pulled me out of myself and we floated

1213
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,440
Speaker 1: above my body and shared an out of body experience

1214
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: and we documented the show. I burst into tears. I

1215
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: sat outside his his hut after he passed out and

1216
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: slept for twelve hours. I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't shoot

1217
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: because I needed to be the first one to talk

1218
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: to him with the translator to say, to make sure

1219
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: what he experienced was what I experienced. And um, if

1220
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: it hadn't happened to me, I would call bullshit on it.

1221
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: But I I had the same transcendent experience with him,

1222
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: and not to be I'm not making a Bill Murray

1223
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: joke here, but I knew I was in the presence

1224
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: of someone very special. And I asked him, what are

1225
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: what's our purpose on life here on this planet? And

1226
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: he said he laughed at me. He laughed at me

1227
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: because I was a modern Western person and he started

1228
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: to walk away, and I insisted in the the tribal management,

1229
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: like you're gonna want to hear about it. It was

1230
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: so simple. He laughed at me because he thought I

1231
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: would just ignore it. But it's stuck with me forever.

1232
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: The the tribal management officer that was with us, who

1233
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: was the grandson of one of the other shamans, asked

1234
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: him to please answered, if you would answer the question,

1235
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want to push too much, and he turned

1236
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: around and basically said, in his language, you're an idiot.

1237
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: It's to love each other and take care of each other,

1238
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: which is exactly what the tribal elder of the Taos

1239
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: Pueblo people said. These are these are spiritual truths that

1240
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: go back to the very beginning of time of how

1241
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: we're supposed to treat each other and our planet. And

1242
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: I have yet to learn any of that from a book.

1243
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: I've yet to learn any of that from from other

1244
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: experiences other than being out in the world with people

1245
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: who are living in harmony with nature, which means take

1246
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: food from their natural surroundings. So I believe very strongly,

1247
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: to get back to your question, that taking food from

1248
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: our natural surroundings is a very very very important part

1249
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: of what should be an everyday lifestyle for everyone. And

1250
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: that includes concerts. I mean, look, I'm preaching to the

1251
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: converter your listeners understand this. That includes conservation, that includes

1252
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: how we care for each other, how we feed each other,

1253
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: it includes how we make laws, it includes how we

1254
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: think about our ecosystems. And I think it's vitally important.

1255
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I feel sorry for the people that

1256
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: don't get to experience that and your and your wanderings.

1257
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: What culture or indigenous group or tribal group, um kind

1258
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: of had the lifestyle the wild foods pattern where you thought, like,

1259
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,839
Speaker 1: these guys gotta figured out, Well, it's all the protected tribes.

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been very lucky. I think we're up

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: to now fifty seven tribal groups that are the governments

1262
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: of those countries don't allow contact outsiders with them. I've

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01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: lived with I think fourteen of them. Uh. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an incredible experience. UM. And I didn't realize

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01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: it at the time I I went to I went

1266
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: to a teaching university, UH University of India, big school,

1267
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: and UH the anthropology department there was was they teach

1268
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: a course on using bizarre foods at and they wanted

1269
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: me to come down and give a talk. And I

1270
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: found myself with the anthropology department at night at a

1271
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: little private meet and greet at at the Dean's home.

1272
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: And Uh, I was introduced to other people as an anthropologist,

1273
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: and I laughed at my I said, I'm a TV

1274
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm a fat white guy that goes around the world

1275
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: meets bugs. Um, this was if my anthropologist. And Uh,

1276
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: he said, oh, no, no, no, he says, we have

1277
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: we have tenured professors here that have maybe spent time

1278
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: with two tribes of the type that you have spent

1279
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks with many. And maybe the

1280
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: first inkling I got about how special the experience was.

1281
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: And and now they don't really make TV like that anymore. Um.

1282
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I found is all those

1283
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: protected groups live in in concert with their natural surroundings.

1284
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: So the ones in Amazonia right um, in in the

1285
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: deepest parts of Amazonia where there are no seasons, where

1286
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: it's give or take a degree or two, the same

1287
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: temperature every day, the same weather system. Every day, they

1288
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: constantly are are hunting and fishing, the same animals, gathering

1289
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: the same fruits, gathering the same vegetables. That's much different, say,

1290
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: than the Juntoasi, who live in a place that has seasons. Uh.

1291
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 1: Even though it's the high desert in Botswana outside about

1292
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: five four or five hours outside the hills um they

1293
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: have seasons. So when we got there, they were eating

1294
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: beetles roasted and mashed with marula nuts because marula fruit

1295
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: was fault. They'd eat the fruit, they'd roast the nuts,

1296
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: mash them with these bugs that they roasted, and they

1297
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: would make this paste and dry it. And it reminded

1298
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: me of those old tigers milk power bars, about the

1299
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: old breasting the world's first power bar. They stank and

1300
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: they were chewy there, just like bad taffy, and that's

1301
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: what that food was. But they ate that for eight

1302
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: nine days until those bugs were gone and the marula

1303
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: fruit had fallen from the trees and was all gone, right,

1304
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: and then they moved on to Kudu right blew my

1305
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: mind absolutely blew my mind. Uh. And I was like,

1306
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: oh okay, and they're like no, because now usually after

1307
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: the season and the younger animals are old enough, so

1308
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: it's at that point that are pushing older males out

1309
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: of the out of the herd. And that's what we harvest,

1310
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: is the older males that are pushed out of the herd.

1311
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: And we only do it and and just every week

1312
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: had a different you know, food or two or three

1313
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: to it, And I think those are the those are

1314
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: the places that I was most impressed with. Any other

1315
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: group has access to things all the time and is

1316
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: trading with people in towns or cities, and modernism has

1317
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: crept in and it's more of a convenience lifestyle. Um,

1318
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: I think I would be okay with with living the

1319
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: the pure seasonal structure that I viewed with a with

1320
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: a couple of other tribe. It really is, it really

1321
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: is absolutely unbelievable. That's really it's an interesting observation that

1322
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: you made. I hadn't really thought of that equatorial hunter

1323
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: gathers are, Um, they're not dealing with that correct, right, Like,

1324
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: but you probably have trees, Like if you have an

1325
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: array of date trees all the time, there's probably some

1326
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: day tree at any given time. It is probably fruiting

1327
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: anytime anytime. And the and the fish that they like

1328
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: are always there. The animals that they like are always there. Um,

1329
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the skill set of those people.

1330
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,919
Speaker 1: You know, wild chickens kind of like a grouse popping

1331
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: up out of the ferns in a forest. So there's

1332
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: trees in your way. I'm talking about a dense rainforest. Okay,

1333
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: you talk about hard shots, and they take off moving

1334
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: let's say, from right to left, and they have these

1335
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: these people are hunting with tiny flightless arrows, and they

1336
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: don't miss featherless arrows. They don't miss the the with

1337
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: the with the juntasi, a black mamba. You know, the

1338
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: five steps snake bites you, you're dead. And five steps

1339
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: came into the camp while we were there, an actual

1340
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: rare occurrence. But those animals hunt and they will come

1341
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: back for the same scent and the same smell. So

1342
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: the entire tribe drops, i mean drops everything. One person

1343
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: and they have an emergency protocol system for this. One

1344
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: person kicks out the fire. Everyone else gathers the belongings,

1345
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: which by the way, our group owned, not an individual loan,

1346
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: and they all thirty of them, little kids, grandpas and

1347
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: everyone in between, starts chasing the snake. But they all

1348
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: gather sticks and stones as they're running, and they keep

1349
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: throwing it. The idea is they want to chase the

1350
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: snake up a tree. And so eventually after about a

1351
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: mile of this, by the way, our instinct, because it's

1352
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: been drilled into us, where you see a five steps snake,

1353
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: you run the other way. So we all took like

1354
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: eight steps back, and then your your TV sense kicks

1355
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: in and you're like, oh no, no no, we have to

1356
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: document this. And then we start running behind them, and

1357
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: we put it in our show. We got the snake

1358
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: shot of it climbing up the tree, and you know,

1359
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: a twelve year old kid literally comes running up with

1360
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: a sling shot by the way, not the kind that

1361
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, has a fork sling with a rock in it,

1362
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: and from thirty feet out from the tree, because you

1363
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: can't be you have to be out from the tree

1364
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: to get it. He waited for the snake to come

1365
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: to an edge and look out at everyone spends his thing.

1366
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: But I mean no, he didn't take time to tee

1367
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: it up. He didn't, you know, like the traditional you know,

1368
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: like take your time, get your breathing down. He just

1369
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: hucked this thing bang, hits it on the head and

1370
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: it starts to drop, and he throws through three more

1371
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: times total of four hit it, three times, missed once.

1372
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: Snake is almost dead on the ground, and then everyone

1373
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: in the tribe takes turned stomping it and then they

1374
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: throw it into a crucifixion bush, which is a bush

1375
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: that has so many big thorns on it. That's the

1376
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: Western name for it. That's where they throw it because

1377
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: if you step on the bones, it can kill you

1378
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: even a year later. So they wanted to rot and

1379
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: die in the heat and in that and no one's

1380
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: gonna bump into it if it's on the top of

1381
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: a crucifixion bush. Um Uh, the most incredible thing I've

1382
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: ever seen. But you you start to get the protocol

1383
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: an appreciation for that. Those seasonal tribal people are absolutely

1384
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: believable with with skill sets, by the way, and I

1385
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: know that there's people here at this table who've experienced

1386
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: this with skill sets that far outweigh anything. I mean,

1387
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: the jun Twasi, this was the funny part. The Kudoos.

1388
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: They have these little arrows. They have this poison that

1389
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: there's no antidote for, and they keep the poison. They

1390
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: make it a couple of times a year. We put

1391
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: it in the show, and they keep it in a

1392
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: shell inside a leather bag on this tree hanging so

1393
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: that no one touches it. And uh, you know, they

1394
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: don't have a concept of certain things about when to

1395
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: use it because everything that um, well, the kudoo. For example,

1396
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, are you gonna use the poison arrows

1397
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: or or you're gonna use your little flightless arrows with

1398
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: no poison on it? Or how do you hunt the kudu?

1399
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: Because they said we're going kudu hunting tomorrow and they said, oh,

1400
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to go, and this is

1401
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: through our translator, and it's like, well, no, well we'll

1402
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: be stealthy and quiet and just send Andrew in one cameraman.

1403
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: The usual conversation we have with everyone about this. And

1404
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: they're like, no, you won't be able to keep up

1405
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: running with us, and you'll you'll die of exhaustion and

1406
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: you'll get lost. And we're like like, what do you

1407
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: mean running? And it's like well, and they don't have

1408
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: a term that we have for sporting, but it was

1409
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: essentially the idea was they run and throw rocks and

1410
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: sticks until the animal is exhausted, and they get it

1411
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: to a place where it's in a canyon against a wall,

1412
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 1: and then they walk up to it and strangle it

1413
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: and then bleed it out. That's how they hunt kudu. Right, Okay,

1414
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: they don't notoriously athletic and they run after it until

1415
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: it's exhausted. So think about that, right, we were not

1416
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: allowed to our insurance coming. We weren't allowed to leave

1417
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: camp with less than six liters of water on our bodies.

1418
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Had to carry six for each person. Someone has to

1419
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: have the medical I mean just I mean, the precautions

1420
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: were insane. And these people are just walking out. They

1421
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: eat these little berries that helps their body retain moisture.

1422
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: They drink in the morning, then they come back and

1423
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: drink a lot at night, but they're they're fine during

1424
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: the day, including run. You know, it's a hundred and

1425
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: twenty degrees, you know, in the middle of the desert,

1426
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: in the hot sun, and they're chasing kudu, chasing kudu. Okay,

1427
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that's new for me. I just sat there and I

1428
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and everyone at least the one

1429
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: thing all of those protected tribes have in common, and

1430
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: you you, you know, you hit on one of the

1431
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: differences with where they are in the world. But all

1432
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: of them are doctors, lawyers, engineers, farmers, hunters, soldiers, right, builders.

1433
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean that that we we have lost so much

1434
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: across training. It's insane. It's insane, And and that the

1435
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: young people in these tribes are taught all this and

1436
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: from starting at a very early age. I mean, they're

1437
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: all pharmacists. I mean, you know, someone gets I mean,

1438
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: here's the thing you look at. I'm sitting there at

1439
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: one point, you know. And I only come back to

1440
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 1: the Genoaisi because the one of the first second protected

1441
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: tribe I was ever with. And I'm like, God, there's

1442
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: a lot of old people here. Don't they get sick?

1443
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: And the the folks who were with us uh from

1444
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: the their parks department UH and tribal Management office were like, sure,

1445
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: they get sick all the time. They take medicine. They

1446
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: looked at me like I'm an idiot, Like, of course

1447
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: they get sick. They have their diseases. One of the

1448
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: reasons we keep them away from you people is we

1449
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: don't want other diseases brought in. Right. But I was like, oh, yeah,

1450
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: they get sick and then they use their own uh

1451
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, medicine to heal themselves. And people break bones

1452
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: and they they splint them and they know and they

1453
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: rehab them. And there's all these eighty year olds walking around.

1454
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: They live a healthy, happy, long life. And I'm like,

1455
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: we're doing something wrong, or there's maybe not only we're

1456
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 1: doing something wrong, but the biggest mistake we make is

1457
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: not learning from these people somehow minimizing their experience and

1458
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: saying to ourselves they have less to offer me than

1459
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: this book, this school, this other thinker, philosopher, whatever it's like.

1460
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: It's like, no, go spend some time with some of

1461
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: those people. Study those people, and you will learn. Number One,

1462
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: it's extremely emasculating. I mean, as a modern man with

1463
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: with some skill set, you hang out with these folks

1464
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: and it is you know, I'm a useless I am

1465
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:56,799
Speaker 1: an appendage um. And uh, their lifestyle is is not boring.

1466
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: The the happiness quotients is very high. We so what's

1467
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: called a honey bird. If they see it, this bird

1468
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: has a long bill and it eats the honey the

1469
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: b larva. So whenever they see the bird, which is rare,

1470
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: it only happens two or three times a year. Uh,

1471
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: they all run and follow it. The whole tribe just

1472
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: gets up and moves camp some and they leave market.

1473
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: They leave markers to eventually the bird will leave them

1474
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: to a a natural hide. Now, these are wild African bees,

1475
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. They can make fire faster

1476
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,440
Speaker 1: than any I mean I'm talking. I mean two sticks,

1477
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: a thong, you know, from an old from a deer tendon,

1478
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: and they're making fire. I mean three seconds, four seconds

1479
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: is nothing. Uh. They whip up the fire, they grow

1480
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: a bigger fire, and they hold it in this piece

1481
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: of hide, smoke them out so they're all just asleep.

1482
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Then they reach in, grab all the honey, put it

1483
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: into this bigger hide, and then carry it home. And

1484
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: then they gorge on it. And they the way some

1485
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: people have the meat sweats and eat too much at

1486
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: a steakhouse and pass out. They all pass out from

1487
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: this sugar high. There was. There was another tribe I

1488
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: was with on the other side of Africa, that's southwestern Africa,

1489
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: in central eastern Africa, the Chaga. Uh. They make beer, well,

1490
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: they make a mead beer thing with it, and they

1491
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: get hammered and they find it two or three times

1492
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: a year and do the same thing, but they do

1493
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: a different thing uh with it. Uh. It's it's incredible

1494
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: what we learned from if you're open minded. So what

1495
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 1: did it teach me? It taught me that regardless of me.

1496
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: There's how many of us at this table, fourteen it's

1497
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: unfrecking believable. Um, but what it taught me was there's

1498
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: no one out there who can't teach me something, right,

1499
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: So to think that, I know, it's it's it taught

1500
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: me to be a better People say, well, how did

1501
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: that trip transform you? It's like, well, I I became

1502
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: an instant recycler. I listened to people more. That trip

1503
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: would visit the gun Choasi in in Botswana change my

1504
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: life irrevocably. Uh. I mean, let's talking about immediate, immediate

1505
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: because it was so humbling to see how these people

1506
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: operated for two weeks and you know, every night at

1507
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 1: midnight because the times of the thing. I took the

1508
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: satellite phone and walked to a clearing out of this

1509
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: jungle with like three guides, three tribes people around me

1510
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: with spears because they're like, you won't see the animal coming,

1511
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna kill you. And I'm like, come on, you know,

1512
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: I'll call bullshit on that one, right. I mean, your tribe,

1513
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: you're making lots of noise and they're just shaking their

1514
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: head at me and they're all standing around me. And

1515
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: I would talk to my wife and kid and you know,

1516
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: spend my five minutes on the SAT phone and then

1517
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 1: I'd walk back, I'd go to sleep. Second morning, I

1518
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: wake up and the guy who was with me when

1519
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I called the first night is still standing outside my

1520
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: tent door and he takes his spear. He didn't speak

1521
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: my language, I didn't speak his, and he points in

1522
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: his eyes, he takes his here, and he just starts

1523
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: pointing out all the different tracks of animals, some of

1524
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: which were massive, right uh. And then he's showing me

1525
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: the slithering of snakes and all the way like the

1526
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: activity outside. And I asked the conservation officer, I said,

1527
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: so what does he do? How does he deal with

1528
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: those animals? And why aren't they eating him? It's like, well,

1529
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: he hides, he's spiritually and mentally tries to make himself disappear.

1530
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: He slows his breathing, he does all of these things

1531
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: that you learn to do to make yourself as small

1532
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: as possible in that environment, like a spear fisherman. Not

1533
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: only he's like I'm not here, I'm not here, But

1534
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: it goes back to that that that thing that we

1535
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: were talking before about, you know, human transformation, you know

1536
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: you can you were talking about the throwing stars and

1537
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Ninja's The reason why I know there are people who

1538
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: have those what we would call supernatural skill sets, is

1539
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: because I've seen it with tribal people around the world.

1540
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: He actually made himself so small in the middle of

1541
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 1: the night the animals that he was worried would kill

1542
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: me because I don't know how to make myself small.

1543
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 1: We're not an issue for him. It was not because

1544
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: he'd been practicing it since he was a baby. It

1545
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 1: was taught to him. So when people say what's your

1546
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of superpower do you want? It's

1547
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: always flight, right, But I've seen real people have super

1548
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to put a cloak

1549
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: around myself and make myself small where nothing would perceive me.

1550
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: Now we are talking about a night in the middle

1551
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: of an African country, five dred of thousand, seven, fifty

1552
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: miles from the nearest anything, right, But still, what a

1553
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: skill set to have to be that in touch with nature.

1554
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: So those are the things you learn when you embrace

1555
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,799
Speaker 1: the outdoor lifestyle, the world that's around us, the natural

1556
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: world that's around us. Yeah. One of the things I

1557
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: saw um in South America traveling with the Amerindian group

1558
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: was that, uh, that really stuck with me. We actually

1559
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: tried to do what we call it the Mkushi code

1560
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: of silence, but it's just Kushi code of silence. But

1561
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: they do not do not, will not say anything at

1562
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: the level of volume that we're talking right now. That's correct.

1563
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't. If someone's down by the water,

1564
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: anyone would be like, hey, can you grab the it

1565
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. You walk down. You walk down and say

1566
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: into that person's ears, that's right. Never ever ever make noise.

1567
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: By the way, it's like talking about like being small

1568
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 1: as no one for any reason makes any noise. And

1569
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: they don't brush against ship. We we were out. When

1570
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: we came back from our first day of shooting with

1571
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: the Genoasi, everyone had burs all over their clothes, scratches

1572
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: all over their face. Some we looked like we've been

1573
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: run over by a truck. Because everywhere you go, even

1574
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: though we had walking sticks and you learn how to

1575
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: push thorns and all this kind of stuff, ship catches

1576
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: on your clothing. I mean, everything was like nipped up,

1577
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: torn up. I mean, we really looked like we were

1578
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: a mess, all of them completely unmarked. They just laughed

1579
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: at us. They're like, you know because and and you

1580
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: know they have they have the same behavioral system that

1581
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: you're describing. I mean, all first people's around the world,

1582
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 1: truly first people's, I think, have the same have that

1583
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: same ability. They don't they don't touch other ship. We

1584
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: just break ship, you know. I mean it's pretty it's

1585
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing. So yeah, and the food is great too.

1586
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean the food is giant. If you've never eaten

1587
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: a hundred pound wild freaking porcupine, massive, it's like rodents

1588
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: of an unusual size. They're they're as big as as

1589
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: you pick. They're massive. Yeah, And they pull them out,

1590
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: they go down in the spear, they crawl into their holes.

1591
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: These are these are uh giant members of the rodent

1592
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 1: family with quills that they shoot at people, but which,

1593
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: by the way, are big enough on that animal that

1594
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: you can die. And they crawl face first into their burrows.

1595
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Literally they are literally they can fling the quill the

1596
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: porcupines because you know there are porcupines, don't. Yeah, they can.

1597
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: It's it's it's defensive because they they there must and

1598
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: and all you'll you'll understand why in the second. So

1599
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: they go down, they kill the thing with the spear.

1600
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: They pull it out. The first thing they do is

1601
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: all the women descend on the thing and they use

1602
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: because the quills are so big, they're hollow, and they

1603
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: use it for jewelry, and they cluster the tips together

1604
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,759
Speaker 1: to make these little poking weapons and and sewing needles

1605
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. Right, So then you're left

1606
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: with this bald porcupine, and it's all white fat because

1607
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,719
Speaker 1: the quills are their hair, right, And it gets cold

1608
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: at night in the desert, so it's really thick and

1609
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 1: dense with the stuff. And so basically what they are

1610
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: surrounded with and Kevin Steady yourself is a blanket of

1611
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: bacon is all around them. Okay, so it's like an

1612
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: inch and a half thick piece of what I thought

1613
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: was fat. Well, when they clean the animal, they throw

1614
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: the meat and the bones up into the trees to

1615
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: let them dry. Then the first thing you eat is

1616
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: the blood and the skin. So the blood is beaten

1617
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: with uh animal milk or just beaten so the clots

1618
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: are taken out, and then you can drink the blood

1619
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: for health. And then uh you uh char the fat

1620
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 1: uh on both sides until it's blackened, and then everyone

1621
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: cuts it up with their knives and everyone gets a

1622
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: square that's like three or four inches in size. And

1623
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: when I got my cut piece, I looked at it

1624
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and it was streaked with muscles like very thin finds.

1625
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't pure fat. It was streaked with these pink lines.

1626
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I realized that that's why that animal

1627
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: can dislodge it because it it essentially will constrict its

1628
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 1: muscle system and pop them out. Now, it doesn't throw

1629
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: them far, but if another predator, and there are very

1630
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: few for that animal, but there are. It does have

1631
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: predators um especially in other parts of Africa, ostrich which

1632
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 1: will eviscerate them from the belly where they don't have

1633
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: that ostriches. Just as a defense mechanism, they'll do it. Yeah,

1634
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: they'll kill the porkupines. No, no, no, the ostrich will

1635
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: will if they're threatened will so if one messes with it,

1636
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: it could kill it. And if a line, I mean

1637
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: it's the only Ostrich are the only animals that regularly

1638
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 1: kill desert lines down in southwestern Africa because they have

1639
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,799
Speaker 1: that huge uh we call the dew claw on dogs,

1640
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's massive and they literally do like a

1641
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,679
Speaker 1: karate move where they stop. They will let the line

1642
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: chase it until it's tired enough and then turn and

1643
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: flick that leg up and just cut them open from

1644
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: it's the sharpest claw on the Ostrich's body. Um. But

1645
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: these these porcupines will shoot them, uh, you know, up

1646
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to a foot two feet so that it by constricting

1647
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 1: their skin. But the point being that's what makes the

1648
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: fat so delicious when it's charred. It's just that sounds fantastic.

1649
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. And you know you just sit there and

1650
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: marvel at these people, their animals and how they live

1651
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: in in space, you know, in their space. It's it's

1652
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: quite quite something. Yeah, those are great experiences. Yeah, they're cool.

1653
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm a little jealous. The takeaway on you know, the

1654
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: eating the bugs and the fruit that lead up to

1655
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the kudo which is only a nine day fruit and

1656
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: bug season that leads up to and that fruit. Um,

1657
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, my takeaway there is like first in, first

1658
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: out type of like don't spite the food in front

1659
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: of you to get to the food that's still going

1660
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: to be available next week. What was your takeaway there?

1661
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: Same Sam, It was frustrating as a television crew because

1662
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: we got there and we're like, well, you know, the

1663
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: producer director, you know, Chris is trying to explain to

1664
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: them he had to have a big sit down meeting

1665
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 1: for three or four hours, and we're like, you're not

1666
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: going to convince them to throw away forty thousand years

1667
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: of their tradition for your work here. Well, we're just

1668
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to win. R. Zimmer and would like to

1669
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 1: do it. So the phone call his SAT call the

1670
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: first because when we went there, the iPhone iPhone just

1671
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: had its fifteenth birthday, So the the iPhone had birthday

1672
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: and we went there, uh, fourteen years ago, two thousand

1673
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand, nine years ago, so iPhones a

1674
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: brand new thing, so there was no faith all the

1675
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: things that are on the iPhone. Back then it was

1676
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: a phone with a camera, right, and a couple of

1677
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 1: apps in an app store, right, So there was no

1678
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 1: We're just relying on paper letters with the government to

1679
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: let us go in there. So there's no scouting, there's

1680
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: no we're going so far away, there was no sending.

1681
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: We didn't have budget to send someone scouted come back

1682
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: and figure out the beach sheet for our stories. We

1683
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: just trusted based on what we're told that we have

1684
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: eight million stories. We could make forty hours of TV

1685
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: with these people, which we could have. And so we

1686
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: get there and the very first thing we find out

1687
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: is that we're we've we've arrived a week early. There

1688
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:00,879
Speaker 1: are no one because you know, and we refined shooting

1689
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 1: the bug and you know, we shot that. That's that

1690
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 1: was the story, and then we had to wait and

1691
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: that was actually there's only so much civilian was you know,

1692
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: just a person where I learned the most because we

1693
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: got to go out and do other things with them.

1694
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 1: We wound up shooting five days worth of b roll.

1695
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: But the learning. They make snap snares to trap this

1696
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: one bird that they roast um, and they have to

1697
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: walk ten miles in one direction to grab the berries

1698
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 1: that the animal eats, and they take it, then ten

1699
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: miles in the other direction right, so a twenty mile

1700
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: walk right, and they put them in a place where

1701
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: the birds fly by and are around, but where their

1702
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: favorite food doesn't grow, and they scatter them all over

1703
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: the ground and they make eight or nine little wooden

1704
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: snap snares, which they make in about four minutes with

1705
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 1: little knives that are are made out of stone. I

1706
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: mean the craftsmanship and the quick time on this stuff,

1707
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: the skill set, and then no one like hooks up

1708
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: the snap stare and then it goes and you're like, oh,

1709
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: we got gotta be careful, gotta you know. There's just

1710
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:10,599
Speaker 1: no test and measure. They just make them and they

1711
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 1: work and they lay these nooses on the ground and

1712
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: then where the berries are, and then we're like, okay,

1713
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: we'll come back in a couple of days. And we

1714
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: walked back in a couple of days and every single

1715
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: one of them has a bird in it. And I

1716
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 1: was like, wow. Every one of them worked and they

1717
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 1: couldn't understood their translator. They couldn't understand the point I

1718
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: was making. They were like, why wouldn't do it if

1719
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,799
Speaker 1: it wouldn't like my My point was that they couldn't

1720
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: even process it well because the question made no sense

1721
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 1: to them. We laid ten snaps snares. Of course we

1722
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,520
Speaker 1: get ten birds, right, And I took all these refrigerators

1723
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: of work exactly, I and I pull and I took

1724
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 1: my knife out. The key to living with these people

1725
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: is to be useful, because they take their cues from

1726
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 1: the animal world. It's identical and vice versa. Right, So

1727
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: the useless people. Males are pushed out of the try

1728
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: their exiled, or they're just let to die, or they're

1729
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: not healed because they have limited resources. Right, that's how

1730
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 1: they deal with these things. It's a very very primitive

1731
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 1: system for human management. Right. So, um, you try to

1732
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 1: be useful. You just try to carry ship. You just

1733
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: if you want them to be impressed by you, you

1734
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 1: have to do ship right. And so I took up

1735
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: my knife and I was like, okay, I'll cut. I'll

1736
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: be useful, I'll cut the snares. And I almost got

1737
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: gang tackled when I took my knife out and moved

1738
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: towards the rope. And they said to me, we make

1739
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: the rope, and we use the rope until the rope

1740
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: goes back into the ground into dust, and until such

1741
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 1: a we don't We do not ever take a knife

1742
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: to the rope. The rope is sacred. That's how we

1743
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: get our food. And they carefully spool it up and

1744
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: put in their bags and return it to the community

1745
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: tree where anyone can use rope for something. And several

1746
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: days later we we finally got them to show us

1747
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: how they make rope. All thirty members the tribe sit down.

1748
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: They start splitting reads into these fine hairs, and they

1749
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 1: weave it using their toes and fingers so that they

1750
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: have more because instead of using your hands where you

1751
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: can have ten strands at once, if you lay in

1752
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,440
Speaker 1: between your fingers use your toes, you now have twenty.

1753
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 1: And they make we shot. It's in the show. It's

1754
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: the most incredible thing. And then I'm like, well, how

1755
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: strong I'm thinking my house is my third day there.

1756
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 1: The rope is not that strong, right, use whatever primitive thing.

1757
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: And the guy says, show him how. My translator show

1758
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: him how. So he holds on one end of it

1759
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: and I and he literally two guys lift me up

1760
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: holding onto the rope with it around my wrists, you know.

1761
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: And I'm two and thirty pounds at the time, I

1762
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 1: was two thirty six. It's just incredible. I mean that

1763
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: the stuff that's out there. I guess the point being

1764
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: is that, yeah, yeah, I I wish everyone could go

1765
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: spend time with them. But I've had similar experiences, not

1766
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: as profound, not as cool in the storytelling mode, you know,

1767
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: and or and sitting around with you guys. But we've

1768
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 1: all had those experiences out in the sitting by a

1769
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: river or on a boat or in a blind or

1770
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: just walking where you learn something or have a profound

1771
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 1: experience that changes your life. So if you don't get outdoors,

1772
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:32,759
Speaker 1: you will never have those experiences ever. Ever, you just won't.

1773
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, some of those experiences are testing

1774
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: yourself as a human being. I mean, I was duck

1775
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: hunting wants people in waiters and a guy had his

1776
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: waiter belt. He would liked to wear his dad's waiters

1777
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: and he used a waiter belt. Um, he wasn't wearing

1778
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: the right so of course he flipped. He's the guy

1779
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: who winds up in the canoe flipping. Uh in the

1780
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: freezing cold water of Canada in October November, where we're

1781
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 1: duck hunting, trying to get the last days of the

1782
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: season because as the holes as the ice forms, you know,

1783
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: you get those, you know they're really good hunt because

1784
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,600
Speaker 1: they're just looking for a little bit of water. And um,

1785
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 1: he tipped in a canoe in a big piece of water,

1786
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: and we thought he died, by the way, in a

1787
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: horrible rain and windstorm that came up out of out

1788
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,719
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And so you you start talking about testing

1789
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: yourself when you see it and I'm not advocating let's

1790
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: all make a friend be in a dangerous place. But

1791
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: I had never had to go. I had never had

1792
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: to go save someone's life like that, right. I mean

1793
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: I pulled friends out of cars, you know, a car

1794
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 1: crash or something, or you know, drug overdose or things that.

1795
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:48,719
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about like you mother nature, friend in trouble,

1796
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to learn something about yourself

1797
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: or the other people around you, go through that experience,

1798
01:48:56,760 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, um, And we saved him and he is

1799
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: okay because we got to them fast enough, because we

1800
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 1: did the smart stuff going in to that blind where

1801
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: we took I mean, we didn't want to carry it,

1802
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: but common wisdom was don't bring one canoe, right, and

1803
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: thankfully we had. We had a canoe right with us

1804
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 1: that we could jump into and go after him, right.

1805
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 1: And it's you were tested in ways that you will

1806
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 1: never be tested any other way in your life. You know,

1807
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: twist your ankle and you have to get over that

1808
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 1: mountain or you have to you know, pack that cheap

1809
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: up after shooting it. I mean I I almost, I

1810
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,799
Speaker 1: mean I almost broke my ankle. That I've never felt

1811
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: as tested as I did in Hawaii hunting wild sheep

1812
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: on the top of a volcano. The ground is uneven,

1813
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: there's old lava, so plants. Everything looks like it's flat,

1814
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 1: but it's not. There's an ankle breaking moment every step

1815
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: you take, so you have to proceed very slowly, and

1816
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: so you have to feel dress the animals out there right,

1817
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: because it lowers the amount of weight that you're humping

1818
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 1: back uh to the camp and uh. You know. I

1819
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: did not think I was up for that, but I

1820
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: turns out I was capable of it. But I had

1821
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 1: to be pushed by someone else right who said, you

1822
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: can do this, you can do this. Um, I did

1823
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: not think. I did not think that I could, you know,

1824
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: And and I would have never learned that. It was

1825
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 1: one of those times where I was like, oh, there's

1826
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I bet I can do that.

1827
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do the The fun hunting

1828
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: part of that one is that the species are so

1829
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: you're shooting from so far away. The sound takes a

1830
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: second or two to travel, So if you're a if

1831
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,520
Speaker 1: you can quickly reposition your rifle, you can take two animals.

1832
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 1: The only graze for a couple of hours in the morning.

1833
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: When they do that's there all their water up at

1834
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: the top of this volcano during the warm weather months

1835
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: where it's not snowing, is from the dew on the grass,

1836
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:05,640
Speaker 1: so they eat all the two. You have to go

1837
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 1: to certain places where there's the grass set up far

1838
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: enough away. And my guide was like, look, you know,

1839
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: we don't didn't come all this way to take, you know,

1840
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: just one animal. So when you shoot, before you pull

1841
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: the trigger, know where your second animal is going to be.

1842
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, they're just gonna bolt. He goes they're

1843
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 1: not gonna bult because they're not going to hear the sound.

1844
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 1: And we only hunt here like two days a year,

1845
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: he said, So those those sheep, those wild mountain sheep,

1846
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 1: are the trust me. Just know where your second shot

1847
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: is going to be. And so I just waited and waited,

1848
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: and I had to. They were kind of side by side,

1849
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 1: dip in their head and eating, and I just went

1850
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: one to and you know then I'm like, oh, now

1851
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 1: we each have to carry one. And you get down

1852
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 1: there and they're really big. Coming in was hard enough

1853
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 1: for me going out. That's why you mess that, because

1854
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm all like every sheep I mean even even in

1855
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:02,560
Speaker 1: farmyards or whatever. I'm like, oh, sounds a giant. I

1856
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like whatever, little like Mary's little lamb. Heavy, heavy,

1857
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 1: And of course, of course my first my first thought is,

1858
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: you know, how how am I getting this out of here?

1859
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 1: And I I didn't put it together that oh, we're

1860
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 1: going to share the car in the meat, and he's

1861
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 1: going to make a sled with the skin of one animal,

1862
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to a certain point and then

1863
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 1: we'll carry it when we can't anymore because of the terrain.

1864
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: And we wound up cooking it in a well. He

1865
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 1: smoked it in a homemade smoking box that he made

1866
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 1: with sticks and green branches to sort of seal it

1867
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: up with a really low fire underneath. He said, yeah,

1868
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: we got to cook it for five or six hours.

1869
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, and I'm like, can we take

1870
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: one piece of meat and kind of lower it closer

1871
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 1: to the rill it up And he's like, no, we

1872
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: have to smoke at all, because this is the meat.

1873
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,719
Speaker 1: We have to give half of it to the tribal

1874
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: pep bull on whose land where you know, there's there's

1875
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: a there's a thing, there's a there's a thing we're

1876
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 1: doing here, and you know, the network note is, uh,

1877
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 1: why didn't Andrew eat any of the grilled meat? So

1878
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,759
Speaker 1: that we had two different taste explanations and two different tastes.

1879
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:19,719
Speaker 1: It's like, because we're violating ten thousand years of their

1880
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: tribal history and we wouldn't do that, and that they

1881
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 1: had a hard time understanding that. Tell uh, tell folks

1882
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 1: what you're working on now, because I know you've got

1883
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: a few handful projects going on. I do. Um. You know,

1884
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: I after years and years and years of telling stories

1885
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,880
Speaker 1: like this at dinner party, well making TV about it,

1886
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 1: but you know, telling stories about it. I met someone

1887
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 1: in Minnesota who invited me ice fishing. Uh. That was

1888
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, one of the people who runs Outdoor Channel

1889
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: and he said you should really do you cook all

1890
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 1: that stuff? And I'm like, well, of course I do.

1891
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, I said, look I don't. I

1892
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:05,679
Speaker 1: don't do stand Inster TV. Uh And he goes, well,

1893
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 1: our viewers really like Standinster TV. And he saw some

1894
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 1: of the stuff that my production company was making and

1895
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: they said, do you want to do this show? And

1896
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 1: I said sure. So you know, Wild Game Kitchen got

1897
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: birthed from that in Premier September nineteen. Really excited about it.

1898
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to do some crossover stuff with Kevin, uh,

1899
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: which would be fun because we're full disclosure. Uh, we

1900
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 1: dated for a long time before he got married and

1901
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: I got We've been friends for a while, and it's

1902
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: it's great to be able to share those kind of

1903
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: things with people and just be a blast. Um. But yes,

1904
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: that's happening. I'm working on. I've waited to do a

1905
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: cookbook my whole life, to sort of structure it in

1906
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: a certain ways so that the cooking has to deal

1907
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: with the time periods in my life. Um, and it

1908
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 1: is kind of structured different ways. So I had the

1909
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 1: ways he got old enough to have enough. That's exactly right,

1910
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And I also I'm not a cookbook

1911
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: guy in the sense that some people can you know,

1912
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 1: have five cookbooks in them where every year they're going

1913
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 1: to come out with a cookbook. Um, that's not my thing, right. UM.

1914
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: I tell stories in different ways, but I knew I

1915
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 1: had one great one. So let's just fire that. Let's

1916
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 1: use that powder, you know, at the best time possible, right, Um,

1917
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Speaker 1: And when are you releasing that so that I don't

1918
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Speaker 1: release the same time that heads up and be helpful.

1919
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Speaker 1: All right, Well I'll let you know. UM, yeah, it's

1920
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be really special. Um. And I

1921
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 1: can imagine something that's real special that you should do

1922
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 1: that also going to go on to um be very

1923
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 1: useful for you would be a compilation of compliments that

1924
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:55,919
Speaker 1: you've delivered off of Iron Chef. I mean, we're talking

1925
01:55:56,040 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 1: about a skill unto itself. It is, it is beyond

1926
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 1: it's it's tertiary level deepness that you just can't get into.

1927
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's just being old and not dying

1928
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: and having a decent vocabulary and reading a lot and

1929
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: listening to people. You're bringing chefs to tears, like let

1930
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: me tell you about what you just well I just

1931
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: put in my mouth, you know something that it's you know,

1932
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Iron Chef. The ratings were fantastic. It was

1933
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 1: it's still top ten for kids. It was top ten,

1934
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, past the magic mark of two weeks. So

1935
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming Top Chef, sorry, Iron Chef, will be uh,

1936
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: we'll be picked up again, and I'm assuming I'll be

1937
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 1: a part of it, you know, for right now, I

1938
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: can't imagine a world in which I'm not the Uh

1939
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: that's a hard seat to give up. Well, it's not

1940
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,000
Speaker 1: me giving up, it's it's it's networks and stuff sometimes

1941
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 1: make really crazy decisions like wow, that was great, Andrews incredible,

1942
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 1: But we're gonna wrote we want to rotate people. I mean,

1943
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's that conversation gets had. It doesn't mean

1944
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 1: that that person who says it isn't either applauded or

1945
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 1: shot down. I don't know which. And and I'd like

1946
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 1: to think that my um my being on that show

1947
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: helped make it, in a small way, a little bit

1948
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: of his success. And I've heard from people that they

1949
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 1: believe that. So I'm going to assume I'm doing it again.

1950
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Speaker 1: Um But the important I mean, the moments occurred to

1951
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: me simply because it goes back to being out in

1952
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: the world and seeing Ship one of the chefs who

1953
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 1: was on the show. I don't want to ruin it

1954
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: for people, but heav Ang among chefs from Minnesota, his family,

1955
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: among our tribal people. Uh. They live in the several

1956
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: areas where Thailand, Vietnam and Laos all come together. They're

1957
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a hill people, their tribal they're an ethnic group. They've

1958
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 1: never had they've never had their own Hey, what's up, Yeah, Yang,

1959
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out the thing you sent us to, the

1960
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: embroidery of young of Mong activities. Love it. So the

1961
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 1: largest population of Moong in America are in the Twin Cities.

1962
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 1: And so you know, I've gotten to know a lot

1963
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 1: of these folks really really well. Uh yeah, who's a

1964
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 1: chef and restaurateur and a phenomenal culinarian. Was born in

1965
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 1: a refugee camp and he came on iron chef and

1966
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: instead of cooking like, oh, three Moong dishes and I'm

1967
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:23,839
Speaker 1: gonna show you that I can cook Italian food too,

1968
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: he made five Mong dishes, knowing, by the way. And

1969
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 1: I can start crying thinking about it, because I know

1970
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:36,920
Speaker 1: he knew that that was not necessarily the way to win.

1971
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 1: In other words, Okay, I'm not doing a dessert. You

1972
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 1: don't get knocked for that. But Mung food, for anyone

1973
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 1: who's eating it, has a limited number of ingredients and flavors.

1974
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 1: So if you're just cooking that food and someone else

1975
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 1: is doing more things more ways, based on the judging criteria,

1976
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 1: you're at risk unless that other person makes a mistake.

1977
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,880
Speaker 1: But he, I think understood the moment, and no one

1978
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 1: else was calling it out. And it may be because

1979
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 1: I live in a place where the mung live, or

1980
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 1: maybe I've just been out in the world and seeing

1981
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 1: more marginalized human beings than other people have um and

1982
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 1: I brought up I just got everyone to stop, and

1983
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: they left in the show, but I essentially got the

1984
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 1: room to stop and just said, this is the first

1985
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 1: time mung food has ever been cooked on international television,

1986
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 1: first time ever, And so what that says about inclusiveness,

1987
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: and what that says about how we combat those who

1988
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 1: would not want to celebrate our diversity, what that says

1989
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:44,879
Speaker 1: about how we accept marginalized people, and how we shouldn't

1990
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: be continuing to do that. Because the food was spectacular

1991
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 1: and what he showed was spectacular, and he took the heat.

1992
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 1: He used that opportunity to showcase not himself but his

1993
01:59:56,000 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 1: culture's food, and I thought that was just the coolest

1994
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 1: thing I've seen in a competition cooking show ever. To

1995
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 1: not have the ego to say I want to win.

1996
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:08,360
Speaker 1: He said, I may win because the other person makes

1997
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 1: a mistake one of their dishes. Doesn't get plated. You're

1998
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you're down your point, but right, so, I

1999
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 1: mean there's no coming back from that. But he's it's

2000
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 1: more important to cook my culture's food. And I think

2001
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 1: things like that are are absolutely mind boggedly That's that's

2002
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 1: the stuff that's important, uh to me. By the way,

2003
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 1: we were all things because I know we're running out

2004
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 1: of time. All things for are available at Andrew Zimmer

2005
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: dot com. My my new sub stack. I think is

2006
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: really cool. The book is gonna be really cool. Iron

2007
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:43,320
Speaker 1: Chef's gonna be cool. I'm shooting another uh six episodes

2008
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 1: of Family Dinner starting in a week or two on Magnolia.

2009
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 1: UM and and probably most important for me at this

2010
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 1: point in my life because at some point, you know,

2011
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 1: TV is gonna stop, right. But the the other things

2012
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, I'm I'm a member of the International

2013
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 1: Rescue Committee, which Einstein founded in ninety nine, and I'm

2014
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: the international voice of nutrition UH for them. David miliband,

2015
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 1: Tony Blair's old Secretary of State runs the i r C.

2016
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 1: And UM I've been able to work extensively uh with

2017
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 1: them and going with them to a few African countries. UH.

2018
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 1: Next year, I was blessed enough to be honored with

2019
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:28,280
Speaker 1: being the United Nations World Food Program Global Ambassadorship. So

2020
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of work with them. They're the

2021
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:34,480
Speaker 1: largest relief organization in the world, um, and they they

2022
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 1: have the distribution and the people power to make a really, really,

2023
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 1: really big difference. So I'm I'm excited to be working

2024
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: with them. And you know, a lot of the other

2025
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,959
Speaker 1: social justice stuff that I'm doing around food is changing

2026
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 1: and morphing because kind of the older you get, there's

2027
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 1: that sweet spot window where I've been doing it long

2028
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,640
Speaker 1: enough that now I can like actually talk to congressman

2029
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:58,360
Speaker 1: and senators and spend more time in d C lobbying,

2030
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: uh and arm twisting for the issues that I think

2031
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: are important, like the ones we talked about getting people

2032
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: to be able to spend time outdoors and preserving our

2033
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 1: natural world. So, um, it's a it's a cool thing.

2034
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: It's a great time. I'm not slowing down, I mean,

2035
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 1: that's that's for sure. I'm the you know, I just

2036
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:18,080
Speaker 1: turned sixty one, and I'm proud of that because in

2037
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 1: my mind I'm like thirty, you know, and behaviorally i'm

2038
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:25,520
Speaker 1: either thirteen or eight, depending on I have some clothes

2039
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 1: for it because I can be I suffer from infantilism,

2040
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 1: which you know means I'm extremely immature. Uh just for

2041
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 1: good solid a couple hours every day, um and uh.

2042
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:43,160
Speaker 1: But as I get older, I I've been able to

2043
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: challenge some of my energies away from just the TV

2044
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: book sort of me me me is um and and

2045
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 1: try to do a little more US US US work.

2046
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's a very natural

2047
02:02:56,600 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 1: progression for human beings. That's solid. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff.

2048
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show. Oh this was a

2049
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 1: a bucket list cross off item. Well, I mean, I've

2050
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: known Kevin for a long time. You and I have

2051
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: have we've met once before, but known each other for

2052
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:21,360
Speaker 1: a long time and obviously have had a lot of

2053
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 1: different paths of ours cross and traverse over the years.

2054
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm such a huge admirer of of people

2055
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:33,920
Speaker 1: who do the right things with their platform, no matter

2056
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 1: how bigger, how small, And I've I've publicly said that

2057
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 1: for those who have been lucky enough to get a

2058
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 1: slightly larger platform, if they wasted it, to me, there's

2059
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:49,160
Speaker 1: nothing sadder. There's nothing sadder than someone wasting their their platform.

2060
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 1: And from the very beginning, as your career started to

2061
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 1: get traction and the world started to respond to you

2062
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: the way they've responded to you, you have used your

2063
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: platform for so many incredible good things. I'm such an

2064
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:05,879
Speaker 1: admirer reviewers, I'm such a big fan of your content.

2065
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm a bigger more than I like

2066
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 1: your content. I like what goes on between your ears

2067
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:17,520
Speaker 1: because you've made a commitment to to to be yourself

2068
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:21,320
Speaker 1: and create that platform to inspire other people and shown

2069
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:24,880
Speaker 1: folks that you can change things with what you do.

2070
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,720
Speaker 1: You can change hearts and minds, and you can educate

2071
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 1: and have fun at the same I called it adventure learning.

2072
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of adventure learning, and I can't

2073
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 1: think of anyone who defines that with what they do,

2074
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 1: not with what they say, but with what they do,

2075
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:42,000
Speaker 1: more than you. So this was a big bucketlet that

2076
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: the ask came in. I don't know what about chasing

2077
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:48,120
Speaker 1: down other people, but when someone mentioned to me that

2078
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to do this, I said yes

2079
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: right away because there was zero hesitation. Well, thank you

2080
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 1: for the very generous compliments. That's what cal was talking about,

2081
02:04:58,040 --> 02:04:59,600
Speaker 1: like that was a perfect example of we all just

2082
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 1: went time. Is that what you were talking about that?

2083
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm solid, I'm good, but thanks, but it's very kind

2084
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 1: of you. It's the truth. It's all I do is

2085
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:13,360
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And now he's going to be really

2086
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: mean to you during trivia. Yeah, now you get to

2087
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 1: watch the bloodthirst come in. Said, I hope he doesn't.

2088
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna do good. No, I don't know.

2089
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:26,560
Speaker 1: It depends what the questions are. Just here. He's got

2090
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: this theory that being old is an advantage. That's why

2091
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 1: me and Brody dominate. Okay, um, let me give an

2092
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:36,560
Speaker 1: oar tip. Okay, most of the answers you don't actually

2093
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:38,960
Speaker 1: know the answer. It's a good guess. You just figure

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Speaker 1: what you figure into. Okay, so you got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. You've got a lot of things to figure from. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're like, well, it wouldn't be that. That wouldn't make No,

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Speaker 1: that's like any other like the S A T. S

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Speaker 1: that I cheated on. Anyway, Yeah, let's go get Spencer. Ye, everybody,

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Speaker 1: let's listen. Thank you Andrew Zimmer and thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: My pleasure. Check out our check out our channel What's

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