WEBVTT - It Ooogs Me Out 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.779 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:05.820 --> 0:00:10.850 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong 0:00:10.910 --> 0:00:18.660 and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:23.460 --> 0:00:27.830 It's early and overall unemployment remains generally steady. But mounting 0:00:27.870 --> 0:00:32.480 research shows that for the most AI-exposed jobs, take software developers, 0:00:32.979 --> 0:00:37.060 hiring has slowed and wages have declined. The impact focused 0:00:37.140 --> 0:00:39.800 on one group in particular, 20-somethings. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.570 Traditionally, the tasks that you might assign to a young person, 0:00:43.590 --> 0:00:47.710 maybe doing some market research or creating the first draft 0:00:47.990 --> 0:00:50.769 of a memo, AI is just really good at doing 0:00:50.810 --> 0:00:51.230 those now. 0:00:52.500 --> 0:00:55.080 Yeah, so that's from last night's 60 Minutes. It was 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.010 her lead story and really got into the whole is 0:00:58.090 --> 0:01:00.510 AI going to wipe out jobs thing or create more 0:01:00.550 --> 0:01:03.790 jobs or, you know, that discussion. That woman you heard 0:01:03.850 --> 0:01:06.920 from there, she was big in the AI world and 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.660 was worried about it and decided to start a nonprofit 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.620 that deals with, well, trying to combat this whole thing. 0:01:13.350 --> 0:01:17.310 Which was quite giving of her is because if you're 0:01:17.370 --> 0:01:19.970 on the full speed ahead track with some AI company, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.720 I think you're much more likely to end up a 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.340 billionaire than the pushing back against AI world. But she's 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.780 young and cares about the world as opposed to her 0:01:28.860 --> 0:01:31.420 own riches. That's what happens when you're young. 0:01:31.459 --> 0:01:31.660 Fool! 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:34.000 Right, yeah. 0:01:34.500 --> 0:01:37.949 Yeah, the whole thing was both fascinating and troubling in 0:01:37.990 --> 0:01:41.280 the way that all these discussions are. Let me throw 0:01:41.310 --> 0:01:43.400 in a disclaimer real quick, just because I see a 0:01:43.420 --> 0:01:46.060 lot of the text, and I don't know which of 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.790 you are trolls. who just want to elicit a response 0:01:50.850 --> 0:01:52.350 and there's a fair number of you and I've been 0:01:52.410 --> 0:01:54.310 blocking you a lot. I've decided to get rid of 0:01:54.350 --> 0:01:57.050 all the trolls and Twitter text, everything like that. Just, 0:01:57.230 --> 0:01:58.430 just not, don't have time for you. 0:01:58.450 --> 0:02:00.230 All right. I know you, you, you try to get 0:02:00.250 --> 0:02:02.710 under people's skin and that's how you live your sad, sad, 0:02:02.770 --> 0:02:04.910 sad lives. We're just blocking you. So I don't see 0:02:04.950 --> 0:02:08.049 him anymore as much, but, um, we get a fair amount. 0:02:08.110 --> 0:02:09.950 Oh my God. Are you guys talking about AI again? 0:02:11.790 --> 0:02:14.450 All right. If you're not interested in what is going 0:02:14.490 --> 0:02:16.669 to be the biggest thing that's ever happened to human 0:02:16.750 --> 0:02:19.270 beings on the planet earth, I don't know what to 0:02:19.310 --> 0:02:21.989 tell you. And it's going to disrupt your job and 0:02:22.010 --> 0:02:25.279 your kid's job and the economy and all of these 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.560 different things. I firmly believe. 0:02:27.980 --> 0:02:30.899 I think they would deny that your your premise is true. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.619 It's not going to be the biggest thing ever. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.339 It's going to be somewhat more effective computers, better search engines. And, 0:02:37.419 --> 0:02:40.380 you know, you can ask it to write your rough draft. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.160 Well, it's the five of the seven biggest companies on Earth. 0:02:44.380 --> 0:02:45.930 And if it turns out not to be much, I 0:02:45.940 --> 0:02:50.549 think that's going to be a pretty big deal. for 0:02:50.570 --> 0:02:54.110 the economy. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 0:02:55.690 --> 0:02:58.959 Here's more from that woman talking about where she sees 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.840 things going on 60 Minutes last night. You've seen how 0:03:02.900 --> 0:03:03.740 powerful this can be. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:09.190 Yeah, I've seen us go from previously requiring dozens of 0:03:09.250 --> 0:03:14.290 people to conceive of a product, prototype it, build it, 0:03:14.650 --> 0:03:16.690 to now being able to do that with one or 0:03:16.730 --> 0:03:19.150 two or three people using AI agents. 0:03:20.380 --> 0:03:23.139 Shai was so alarmed by what this meant for the workforce, 0:03:23.300 --> 0:03:26.250 she quit her plum tech job and founded a nonprofit 0:03:26.430 --> 0:03:30.109 helping young people navigate this new economy. And she has 0:03:30.169 --> 0:03:32.169 emerged as an AI Cassandra. 0:03:32.550 --> 0:03:34.309 I think AI is going to have a profound impact 0:03:34.530 --> 0:03:37.470 on every profession. There are a lot of people whose 0:03:37.530 --> 0:03:44.180 jobs it is today within companies to prepare information, research, 0:03:44.580 --> 0:03:49.780 analyze data for other individuals in that company. And increasingly, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.820 although it's starting with the entry level, it could result 0:03:52.900 --> 0:03:55.180 in a lot of people losing their jobs. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.300 And job loss means what as you see it? 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:04.000 It's never just about the jobs. It's people's sense of self-worth. 0:04:04.580 --> 0:04:06.660 It's the fracturing of communities. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.060 According to Elon, that's not going to be a problem. 0:04:10.500 --> 0:04:15.370 You play your guitar and write poetry. Yeah, no problem. 0:04:15.410 --> 0:04:18.610 And there will be universal high income where some amount 0:04:18.650 --> 0:04:22.690 of money will be gotten somehow by somebody. 0:04:23.350 --> 0:04:27.289 And given to you somehow. And you will then have it. 0:04:27.710 --> 0:04:29.900 My son's all on board with this. My oldest, who 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.380 will be out in the real world here in just 0:04:31.420 --> 0:04:35.580 a year and a half, which blows my mind. He's like, what? Cool. 0:04:36.100 --> 0:04:37.779 Where do I sign up? So I'll have some little 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.870 crappy apartment, drive a crappy car. I'm fine with that. 0:04:40.230 --> 0:04:41.469 I'm just going to have a good time the rest 0:04:41.510 --> 0:04:41.870 of my life. 0:04:42.470 --> 0:04:45.090 That gal who we're listening to is overseeing major AI 0:04:45.110 --> 0:04:47.230 divisions at Salesforce and then Meta. 0:04:47.690 --> 0:04:49.390 So a heavyweight in the field. 0:04:50.570 --> 0:04:53.029 One of the featurettes in the midst of that report 0:04:53.350 --> 0:04:55.690 caught my ear because I have a friend at the 0:04:55.730 --> 0:04:58.950 same law firm as one of the gals who's quoted. 0:04:59.450 --> 0:05:02.480 And he had told me about these AI personas that 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.740 they were building. And what they are in short is, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.180 and you've heard examples of this from writers, but it 0:05:10.300 --> 0:05:15.500 studies everything you've done. You feed the AI system, you know, 0:05:15.620 --> 0:05:19.300 everything you've done, everything you've written as an attorney, every 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.770 negotiation you've worked through, the entire paper trail. Then you 0:05:23.790 --> 0:05:29.589 do long interviews with the AI people. And the persona 0:05:29.730 --> 0:05:35.500 then can do an imitation of you so uncanny, it's freaky. 0:05:36.300 --> 0:05:36.880 How would. 0:05:37.790 --> 0:05:42.550 Attorney Joe Getty respond to this offer to buy an 0:05:42.610 --> 0:05:46.650 apartment building with these terms. And according to my friend, 0:05:46.670 --> 0:05:48.960 it was like, oh, my God, it approached it just 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:54.760 the way I would have, including like his style, which 0:05:54.860 --> 0:06:00.150 is kind of amiable and easygoing. Uh, because you know, 0:06:00.170 --> 0:06:02.529 you can always get to brass tacks later. And the 0:06:02.589 --> 0:06:06.380 persona imitated that with freakish, uh, you know, accuracy. 0:06:06.420 --> 0:06:10.100 Well, the way the Barry Weiss 60 minutes opened this story, 0:06:10.140 --> 0:06:12.340 I thought was pretty clever last night. You had the 0:06:12.339 --> 0:06:14.860 60 minutes correspondence sitting on the stool in front of 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.180 the screen, like they start all the stories. And then 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.260 at some point the real guy stepped forward and said, 0:06:19.300 --> 0:06:22.060 that wasn't me. That was AI. It was an AI 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.600 video of him talking like him words put in his 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.469 mouth that looked and sounded exactly like him. Um, which 0:06:28.550 --> 0:06:31.550 is why some people think AI now passes the Turing 0:06:31.589 --> 0:06:36.350 test for video in addition to written word. And I 0:06:36.410 --> 0:06:38.130 had one more point on that. 0:06:38.150 --> 0:06:40.600 Turing test, that's the number of pull-ups you can do 0:06:40.900 --> 0:06:44.300 and timed runs. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.440 You can fool people that you can't tell the difference 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.820 between the artificial intelligence and the human being. Oh, and 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.850 then back to my point arguing with the people who 0:06:52.890 --> 0:06:55.360 say we talk about AI too much. This is just 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.740 one of the topics, so you have to believe none 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.900 of them are going to be a problem. The taking 0:06:59.940 --> 0:07:03.140 away jobs as opposed to creating new jobs like other technologies, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:09.640 the superintelligence taking over the world, what it's going to 0:07:09.690 --> 0:07:12.390 do to governments, what it's going to do to the military. 0:07:12.430 --> 0:07:16.270 I mean, there's so many issues around this. Actually, as 0:07:16.310 --> 0:07:18.650 long as we're talking about that, let me call an 0:07:18.710 --> 0:07:22.030 audible at the line. Omaha, Omaha. Play us 72. 0:07:22.020 --> 0:07:26.720 This is actually from CBS Sunday, Professor Hani Farid of Dartmouth. 0:07:27.380 --> 0:07:28.730 Here's what I think is next. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.330 And by saying next, I mean in the coming year. 0:07:32.150 --> 0:07:34.090 which is most of the deep fakes that we are 0:07:34.110 --> 0:07:37.400 seeing today have a human somewhere in the process. Somebody's 0:07:37.620 --> 0:07:39.880 hands are on the keyboard. There's still a human in 0:07:40.380 --> 0:07:42.260 the loop. But what's going to start happening is AI 0:07:42.740 --> 0:07:45.100 agents are going to start creating their own fakes. So 0:07:45.140 --> 0:07:47.750 what is an AI agent? An agent just has more autonomy. 0:07:47.890 --> 0:07:49.450 And what we have started to see is that when 0:07:49.490 --> 0:07:51.430 you give it a problem to solve, it will find 0:07:51.490 --> 0:07:54.550 creative ways to do it, including creating a fake identity 0:07:54.830 --> 0:07:56.430 to interact with the human, to get a human to 0:07:56.470 --> 0:07:58.030 do something, and then it will lie about it. 0:07:59.770 --> 0:08:02.510 I wouldn't worry about it. See, that's already happening if 0:08:02.530 --> 0:08:05.330 you don't think AI is anything to be concerned about. 0:08:05.610 --> 0:08:09.190 That whole data center debate that we're having in the country, 0:08:09.270 --> 0:08:12.390 a lot of that was driven by AI agents put 0:08:12.450 --> 0:08:14.890 out there by Russia and China that got onto the 0:08:14.930 --> 0:08:20.030 Internet and are still today creating fake accounts and putting 0:08:20.090 --> 0:08:22.980 out videos and statements and stuff like that to convince 0:08:23.010 --> 0:08:26.780 people that the data center debate is more contentious than 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:39.390 it actually is. It's already happening. So to the idea 0:08:39.490 --> 0:08:44.790 that there are people that now get hired to go 0:08:44.830 --> 0:08:47.610 to work for a company as a whatever it is 0:08:47.650 --> 0:08:51.819 your expertise is. They had a musician, a nurse, somebody else. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:59.860 And they go help AI companies replace them. You think 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.910 that's a good idea? Or is it just a, what 0:09:02.950 --> 0:09:06.949 choice do you have? Oh, absolutely. It's a good idea. Yeah. 0:09:07.090 --> 0:09:09.650 You can either be one of the few that profits 0:09:09.750 --> 0:09:12.430 from the disillusion of your industry. 0:09:12.470 --> 0:09:14.050 Briefly. Briefly. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.560 Or you can just be a victim of it. I'm 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.540 going to help bury my coworkers. 0:09:19.700 --> 0:09:21.780 I'm turning on you guys the first chance I get. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.719 I suppose it makes sense that if I don't do it, 0:09:23.740 --> 0:09:27.400 somebody else is going to. If I'm not the nurse 0:09:27.540 --> 0:09:30.290 that goes works for an AI company and helps them 0:09:30.390 --> 0:09:32.390 create an AI agent that can do what I do, 0:09:32.890 --> 0:09:36.210 somebody else is going to. Either way, my job's going away. 0:09:36.850 --> 0:09:37.010 Right. 0:09:37.270 --> 0:09:37.429 Yeah. 0:09:37.670 --> 0:09:37.910 Agreed. 0:09:38.890 --> 0:09:42.700 So I kind of liked the 23-year-old billionaire with his 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.900 attempt at being sunshiny about this while no one was 0:09:46.980 --> 0:09:47.550 buying it. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.320 Let's go with 84, Michael. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.240 Today, AI training is America's fourth fastest growing job category 0:09:55.300 --> 0:09:59.510 on LinkedIn. And just as machinists once replaced artisans, Brendan 0:09:59.590 --> 0:10:03.680 Foodie he's creating a career of the future. Out of work, 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:05.840 fear not, come train AI. 0:10:06.220 --> 0:10:09.480 Literally all of the top 20 economists in America, they 0:10:09.500 --> 0:10:12.520 would say the exact same thing, which is that there's 0:10:12.540 --> 0:10:14.730 gonna be more jobs in 10 years than there are today. 0:10:15.350 --> 0:10:15.809 No, there aren't. 0:10:16.090 --> 0:10:21.930 Training AI to replace people? That is by definition self-limiting. 0:10:22.630 --> 0:10:24.790 Right. There's a booming field. 0:10:24.860 --> 0:10:28.700 Electricians across America are training AI to replace them. And 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.280 that field is growing every year. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:38.679 No, no, no. No. And I just, I wish I 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.740 didn't have this. It's just hard for me to listen 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.520 to the 23-year-old billionaire and not have, like, just come 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.580 at it from a negative angle, which is not his fault. 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All right. 0:12:27.170 --> 0:12:31.780 So you got your 23-year-old billionaire whose industry is finding 0:12:32.420 --> 0:12:35.060 all the lawyers in the world, all the lawyers he can, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.560 all the electricians, all the music producers, everybody, so they 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.930 can train the AI to put themselves out of work. 0:12:42.750 --> 0:12:45.730 But he says, no, it'll create more jobs. 60 minutes, 0:12:45.830 --> 0:12:48.110 ask someone else in 85. 0:12:48.110 --> 0:12:50.390 You're a top economist in America. What say you? No. 0:12:51.500 --> 0:12:53.460 No, not on our current trajectory. I don't saw that 0:12:53.500 --> 0:12:58.320 could happen. What we are living through with AI is unprecedented. 0:12:58.660 --> 0:13:03.020 The first phase of the industrial revolution lasted for 80 years. Today, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.300 it's taking place in one or two years, and it's 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.949 taking place across many sectors at the same time. 0:13:10.890 --> 0:13:13.130 I think a lot of people's resistance to talking about 0:13:13.170 --> 0:13:19.550 this or fatigue is that they... It's a lot like 0:13:19.670 --> 0:13:23.960 talking about mortality. I don't know what to do about it. 0:13:24.090 --> 0:13:26.330 There's nothing I can do about it. It's making me 0:13:26.390 --> 0:13:29.240 sad and scared. I have to go about my day. 0:13:30.010 --> 0:13:33.510 And maybe they say you guys should shut up about 0:13:33.550 --> 0:13:34.310 this for that reason. 0:13:34.530 --> 0:13:38.410 I don't know. There's some role for the electorate to play, 0:13:38.570 --> 0:13:41.270 isn't there, though, in guiding this a little bit? Like 0:13:41.290 --> 0:13:44.100 when we found out Friday that the leaders of Anthropic 0:13:44.140 --> 0:13:48.579 are talking to religious leaders so they can give Claude morality. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.100 I think we should know that before we get into 0:13:52.140 --> 0:13:54.960 the whole what kind of guidelines the government should put 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.069 on these companies or whatever. And the people in Anthropic 0:13:58.130 --> 0:13:59.590 are saying, you know, it may be conscious. 0:13:59.670 --> 0:14:02.690 It may have rights. We need to really treat it well. 0:14:03.110 --> 0:14:08.050 I think those people are dangerous. Hell yes, they're dangerous. 0:14:08.290 --> 0:14:12.020 Crazy and dangerous. They're crangerous. Any thoughts on that text 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:24.880 line 415-295-KFTC? Armstrong and Getty. It is a miracle that 0:14:24.950 --> 0:14:29.859 that Attempted hijacking didn't work out the way the guy 0:14:29.940 --> 0:14:36.420 wanted it to. With that flight full of Israelis last week. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.540 Now that we know the stories, because the pilot lived, 0:14:39.660 --> 0:14:41.780 the hijacker lived. So now we have a lot of 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:47.150 details about it. But that jihadist said, I need to pray. 0:14:48.970 --> 0:14:53.680 Pilot says, sure, go ahead. Jihadi grabs an axe, hits 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.760 Pilate in the back of the head with the idea of, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.360 I'm going to kill him or knock him out, take 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.420 over the plane and fly it into the terminal at 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.500 the airport in Tel Aviv and kill a lot of people. 0:15:04.060 --> 0:15:08.040 Whether you're talking about Islamic fundamentalism or neo-Marxism or whatever 0:15:08.140 --> 0:15:12.480 the extremist fundamentalist philosophy, they're looking for simplicity and certainty. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.040 People just like that. And John Cleese, the great thinker 0:15:16.210 --> 0:15:20.470 and comedian... And Ryder said this a number of years ago, 0:15:20.500 --> 0:15:22.570 but it is absolutely perfect. 0:15:23.110 --> 0:15:27.010 Seriously, though, we've heard a lot about extremism recently. A nastier, 0:15:27.130 --> 0:15:31.910 harsher atmosphere everywhere, more abuse and bother-boy behavior, less friendliness 0:15:31.980 --> 0:15:33.600 and tolerance and respect for opponents. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.400 All right, but what we. 0:15:35.300 --> 0:15:38.700 Never hear about extremism is its advantages. 0:15:39.580 --> 0:15:40.680 Well, the biggest. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.900 Advantage of extremism is that it makes you feel good. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:49.220 Because it provides you with enemies. Let me explain. The 0:15:49.260 --> 0:15:51.900 great thing about having enemies is that you can pretend 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.330 that all the badness in the whole world is in 0:15:54.370 --> 0:15:57.550 your enemies, and all the goodness in the whole world. 0:15:57.350 --> 0:15:57.790 Is in you. 0:15:58.650 --> 0:16:01.390 Attractive, isn't it? So, if you have a lot of 0:16:01.530 --> 0:16:04.410 anger and resentment in you anyway, and you therefore enjoy 0:16:04.450 --> 0:16:07.450 abusing people, then you can pretend that you're only doing 0:16:07.490 --> 0:16:11.110 it because these enemies of yours are such very bad persons. 0:16:11.810 --> 0:16:13.770 And that if it wasn't for them, you'd actually be 0:16:13.850 --> 0:16:18.150 good-natured and courteous and rational all the time. So, if 0:16:18.190 --> 0:16:21.070 you want to feel good, become an extremist. 0:16:21.190 --> 0:16:21.430 Okay. 0:16:22.590 --> 0:16:23.490 Now you have a choice. 0:16:23.770 --> 0:16:26.430 If you join the hard left, they'll give you their 0:16:26.510 --> 0:16:30.570 list of authorized enemies. Almost all kinds of authority, especially 0:16:30.610 --> 0:16:38.550 the police, the city, Americans, judges, multinational corporations, public schools, farriers, 0:16:38.910 --> 0:16:46.760 newspaper owners, fox hunters, generals, class traitors, and, of course, Now, 0:16:47.540 --> 0:16:50.430 once you're armed with one of these super lists of enemies, 0:16:50.770 --> 0:16:52.890 you can be as nasty as you like and yet 0:16:53.030 --> 0:16:57.010 feel your behaviors morally justified. So you can strut around 0:16:57.170 --> 0:16:59.530 abusing people and telling them you could eat them for 0:16:59.580 --> 0:17:02.200 breakfast and still think of yourself as a champion of 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.460 the truth, a fighter for the greater good, and not 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.379 the rather sad paranoid schizoid that you really are. 0:17:08.380 --> 0:17:11.700 100%. Oh, absolutely right. 0:17:11.780 --> 0:17:17.210 Yeah, he's paraphrasing Aldous Huxley, who talked about to abuse people, 0:17:17.609 --> 0:17:20.750 but feel like you're morally righteous in doing it is 0:17:20.810 --> 0:17:25.490 the most— what did he call it? The height of psychological luxury, 0:17:25.730 --> 0:17:33.040 the most delicious of moral traits. Yeah, that was really, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.080 really good. They're entirely wrong, and we're entirely right. It's just— 0:17:37.750 --> 0:17:40.100 The fact that this comes out of universities where people 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.040 are allegedly being trained to think through things and learn 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.060 various perspectives and all is a bitter, bitter irony. 0:17:47.340 --> 0:17:49.619 Well, it's tough when you're up against something that, as 0:17:49.660 --> 0:17:51.240 he points out there, feels so good. 0:17:52.950 --> 0:17:53.110 Yeah. 0:17:53.730 --> 0:17:58.610 It feels so good for them. I just sneezed again. 0:17:58.650 --> 0:18:02.090 I got that Russian plague. Yeah, I'm sorry. 0:18:02.190 --> 0:18:04.620 My Russian girlfriend gave it to me and I came 0:18:04.780 --> 0:18:06.620 in even though I sneezed and I thought it was allergies. 0:18:07.060 --> 0:18:09.200 So now we're probably all dead. 0:18:10.140 --> 0:18:12.700 But if we last through this brief break, we'll talk 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.660 to you about Islamic extremism and. 0:18:14.619 --> 0:18:17.330 How more and more people around the globe are calling 0:18:17.369 --> 0:18:20.149 it out. Armstrong and Getty. 0:18:21.670 --> 0:18:24.469 At that moment, I was fighting for my life. But 0:18:24.490 --> 0:18:26.869 there was a moment when I realized I had fallen 0:18:26.910 --> 0:18:29.369 down due to my injuries. And I realized that if 0:18:29.450 --> 0:18:32.170 I don't get up, I've been a pilot for 17 years. 0:18:32.930 --> 0:18:35.240 I've been a captain for the past 11 years. I 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.820 know what's happening in a flight, even with my eyes closed. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.580 When I was on the ground, I realized that the 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.899 aircraft is going down. And I told myself, this is 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.159 the last push, Smith. The door is right there. And 0:18:47.180 --> 0:18:49.000 I was still getting hit, but I opened the door. 0:18:49.500 --> 0:18:51.980 And everyone else who helped was just as incremental to 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:52.440 this effort. 0:18:52.619 --> 0:18:55.000 God, the guy was still bashing him with the axe. 0:18:57.170 --> 0:19:00.540 With his last effort, the pilot got that door open 0:19:00.859 --> 0:19:03.820 so some people could get in, like the plumber. The 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.400 more details we get on this, the more miraculous that 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.340 this didn't end up in the tragedy it was supposed 0:19:10.380 --> 0:19:14.880 to be. As this dude had smashed the instruments also. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.350 So when the pilots got in there, they had to 0:19:17.380 --> 0:19:20.130 fly the plane and land it with no instruments to use. 0:19:20.950 --> 0:19:23.190 And the plane had been going at a speed where 0:19:23.230 --> 0:19:25.590 the plane is not supposed to be able to survive 0:19:25.630 --> 0:19:29.699 that at all. I mean, there's all kinds of reasons 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.040 why that shouldn't have worked out, and it did. So, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.699 Senator Kirsten Gillibrand wore a hijab during a visit to 0:19:38.740 --> 0:19:42.830 a Bronx mosque last week. She sat alongside a cleric 0:19:42.869 --> 0:19:46.070 who once celebrated Hamas for causing so much trouble for 0:19:46.109 --> 0:19:49.650 the Jews and has hailed Osama bin Laden's spiritual mentor. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.560 Jill Abram, who shares the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, kowtowed 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.990 to the folks there and followed all their rules and 0:19:58.030 --> 0:19:59.929 made it clear she was respectful of them. What does 0:19:59.950 --> 0:20:04.290 that have to do with the airplane, you're asking? Well, Thankfully, 0:20:04.609 --> 0:20:07.930 there are more and more people across the West who 0:20:08.609 --> 0:20:12.210 either have broken free of their fear or their fear 0:20:12.270 --> 0:20:16.020 of being ostracized and are saying what we've been saying 0:20:16.060 --> 0:20:19.720 for a very long time. The most significant political movement 0:20:19.980 --> 0:20:26.540 on earth is fundamentalist Islam. And if you are cowed 0:20:26.619 --> 0:20:29.679 into thinking, well, it's a religion, we have freedom of religion, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.419 I don't want to be a bigot, whatever, so I'm 0:20:31.460 --> 0:20:34.720 not allowed to talk about that. you're contributing to what 0:20:34.820 --> 0:20:39.109 could be an enormous pivot in the history of mankind. 0:20:39.950 --> 0:20:42.990 And I've got so much stuff, and it's so good. 0:20:43.010 --> 0:20:44.850 We'll have to pick and choose a little of this, 0:20:44.869 --> 0:20:46.889 a little of that, but I wanted to lead off 0:20:46.990 --> 0:20:52.590 with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is now Neil Ferguson's wife. 0:20:53.390 --> 0:20:55.780 She was raised in the Middle East and Africa, a 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.300 devout Muslim, and had gotten pulled into some fairly extremist circles, 0:20:59.859 --> 0:21:03.000 then moved to Europe and had her eyes opened and 0:21:03.420 --> 0:21:06.000 abandoned it all, and is now a former Muslim, which 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.650 means she's marked for death. But she wrote about, in Europe, 0:21:11.710 --> 0:21:13.229 if you don't follow this thing, you might not be 0:21:13.290 --> 0:21:18.720 aware of it, In Europe, the conversation about fundamentalist Islam 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:23.720 taking over Europe, quote-unquote, Britain, France, etc., witness the recent riots, 0:21:24.780 --> 0:21:28.910 it's a serious, serious conversation. It's not a backburner, let's 0:21:28.970 --> 0:21:32.650 talk about this, then forget about it topic. It's forefront. Anyway, 0:21:33.369 --> 0:21:36.350 she writes, on the cover of its latest edition, The 0:21:36.390 --> 0:21:40.190 Economist promises to uncover the truth and the lies about, quote, 0:21:40.330 --> 0:21:43.879 Islam in Europe. The story it presents is, and she's, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.179 I'm sorry, this is her description. The story it presents is, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.359 for the magazine's readership, a reassuring one. A crisis of 0:21:50.460 --> 0:21:54.550 two extreme fringes fighting across the sensible middle. But this 0:21:54.609 --> 0:21:57.649 is also a false framing that betrays the complexity of 0:21:57.730 --> 0:22:01.490 Islam in Europe. It promises to untangle just when honest 0:22:01.550 --> 0:22:03.109 understanding is urgently needed. 0:22:03.250 --> 0:22:04.350 Allow me to explain why. 0:22:04.990 --> 0:22:08.260 The editors offer a soothing symmetry. On one side, a 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.650 small minority of Islamic extremists. On the other, a small 0:22:11.690 --> 0:22:14.879 minority of far-right extremists, like the guys you see in 0:22:14.900 --> 0:22:18.660 the streets demonstrating in England or talking about the rape 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.300 gangs or what have you. 0:22:20.340 --> 0:22:22.320 It's a small minority of far-right extremists. 0:22:23.020 --> 0:22:27.780 Islam poses no serious danger, that's a quote, declares the 0:22:27.820 --> 0:22:32.159 accompanying editorial. But Islam and the fear of Islam do. 0:22:34.020 --> 0:22:37.050 So that's the classic, the thing we need to fear 0:22:37.109 --> 0:22:40.230