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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere, Donks, look at this now, Tim. To Tim,

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Speaker 1: this is our life.

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Speaker 2: This is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Friday, the twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: of July twenty twenty, and it is time, Donks for

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat Extra. Hi everyone, I am one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I am

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Speaker 1: joined by the gentleman on the other side of the screen,

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Speaker 1: the Conspiracy. To my theory, he is the man in

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Speaker 1: Combat Sports over at CBS Sports Connecticut's own raccoon dumpster.

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Speaker 1: I don't know searcher eater, guy who just romages through

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Speaker 1: the garbage for food. It's my friend and yours. It's

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Luke? I'm a man who knows what I want and

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Speaker 2: what I like. Okay, Luke? All right? A show so nice.

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Speaker 2: We had to do it twice this week. And can

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Speaker 2: we take that fourth wall and just remove it for

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Speaker 2: a second, Luke, because people were in virtual upheaval over

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Speaker 2: what they thought was a want want, a little bait

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Speaker 2: and switch, a little fight Island Part two sort of

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Speaker 2: we're gonna give you the palm tree. No, we're not.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna put it in an arena. The big surprise

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Speaker 2: on Monday Show it wasn't supposed to be Jay, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, Jay filled in for that big surprise. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The big surprise is what came after what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: So good news today there's no Jay on the show today.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure our listeners and viewers BC will find a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had that weird inspector gadget bad guy

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Speaker 2: got a big extra show planned, Luke. A lot of

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Speaker 2: Will you, Luke? Will you have the balls?

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Speaker 2: you offset that with Mike's absurd power. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: what's this gonna look like? Okay, for a round or two,

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, it feels to me like

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Speaker 2: You know, you wake us to with a slop fest. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, we've been there, Luke, We've been there.

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 2: People might counter and say, like, BC, what the hell

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Speaker 2: gas station. This is everything you would want. Okay, if

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Speaker 2: A critic of me might say, hey, didn't you watch

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Speaker 2: maybe not a bad piece of business in the end. Okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe this could be that. But I hate eight rounds exhibition.

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Speaker 1: In the end. The last thing I say abou this

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Speaker 1: Steven gets here. It's really quite simple, which is I

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Speaker 1: cannot stand these people being like, oh, what's your problem

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Speaker 1: I'm like, everything Jake Paul is able to have a

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, well, well, no YouTube on YouTube crime.

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Speaker 1: I don't charge.

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Speaker 2: I don't charge now.

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Speaker 1: I don't charge people to go watch me do mediocre weightlifting.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference. I stick to what my area of

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Speaker 1: it's not the same. More to the point, it's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: see value in there, let's just American, that's any economy. Fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. And I get that it doesn't hurt boxing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one of these old fuddy duddies that's so

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Speaker 1: I don't. But the one thing I just don't want

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Speaker 1: If you don't, don't whatever, it's all up to you.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. The one argument I just don't want

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Speaker 1: to see trotted out is that we have to like

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Speaker 1: is good for boxing because it's gonna bring in new fans.

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Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up, No, it is not. It did

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Speaker 1: not back then, it's not going to now. It is

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Speaker 1: a BC, hands in the air, I'm old, they're cool. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, don't bring that argument around MK

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Speaker 1: because it ain't it ain't got no life around here.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how about Nate Robinson getting involved? Though I can,

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Speaker 2: I can be it on that. Also, it was a

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Speaker 2: little weird that commercial Tyson put out of like Mike

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Speaker 2: Legends League. I mean, what do you give that seventeen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't give it much. Very quickly, if we can,

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Speaker 2: Probably a little bit more patient giving everything in this circumstance.

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Speaker 2: But I think you know, eventually he'll settle it. This

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Speaker 2: that's gonna win him this fight. I mean, look, if

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Speaker 2: what's the biggest criticism of Till At times he just

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Speaker 2: Stephen Thompson fight was close. I know I always harp

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Speaker 2: and there's an opening there for Whitaker to just do

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Speaker 2: to show you the full, well rounded game. I'm interested

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Speaker 2: in seeing if this fight goes to the ground, Luke,

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. So who do you think takes it there? Rob?

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Speaker 2: You know what flawed? Does Whitaker have? None except for

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Speaker 2: long as he corrects that. I'm telling you this has

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Speaker 2: stop hating on the guy.

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Speaker 1: I love him.

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Speaker 2: He's got a great personality. He's driving Mike Perry crazy

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I didn't I don't know what to make

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Speaker 1: It's like, if I'm not saying, Masvidal and Whittaker are

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Speaker 2: No, it's not catastrophic. And you know, and Pete, we

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Speaker 2: So I wonder if we're gonna get a relaxed Robert Whitaker,

426
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Speaker 2: and if that makes him extra dangerous. But to your point,

427
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Speaker 2: you'll take it. Either one will take a step back.

428
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Speaker 2: Both have pretty strong name value though you know, I

429
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Speaker 2: mean even higher than Gasolain. I think in terms of

430
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Speaker 2: their UFC brand value where they'll be back in it.

431
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: They'll have to win one or two, but they'll be there.

432
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about this one. I did a

433
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Speaker 1: couple of segments on my radio show this week when

434
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Speaker 1: Gustasen came back out of retirement or at least announced

435
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Speaker 1: that he was and saying he was gonna go to heavyweight.

436
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Speaker 1: Everyone was so interested, and I feel like the interest

437
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Speaker 1: has kind of died down now. I don't really know why.

438
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just fatigue, or the world's gone crazy and

439
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Speaker 1: people just can't concentrate, or maybe I'm just misreading it.

440
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Speaker 1: It could be, but I would love to know what

441
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Speaker 1: you make about gustuson going out against Verdun because my

442
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: whole thought was people like, oh, how's he going to

443
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Speaker 1: look at heavyweight, and I'm like, well, he can't really

444
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Speaker 1: change too much of what made him great at light heavyweight,

445
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Speaker 1: which was great job, great footwork, you know, a ton

446
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Speaker 1: of different weapons, well rounded, good takedown defense, good takedowns

447
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: when he needed it, like that Belahovich win for him

448
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 1: when he had to wrestle the guy. It's kind of

449
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: aged pretty well actually, given how Blahovitch has done so

450
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Speaker 1: he's he can do it all. We know he weighed

451
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Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pounds and Verduom is two forty

452
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Speaker 1: two BC. Is he gonna be fleet of foot in

453
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Speaker 1: the way that he needs to be, you hope to be.

454
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Speaker 2: I saw the picture of him on the scale and

455
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Speaker 2: it was a bit surprising. I do think this whole storyline.

456
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Speaker 2: You're right, it's it's fallen under the radar. How well

457
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Speaker 2: Gustupson look at heavyweight. I think there's there's like bright

458
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Speaker 2: potential here above just okay, can he extend his career.

459
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Speaker 2: It's a curiosity. Let's see how he looks. He's fighting

460
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Speaker 2: you know, a big name in Verdum, but he's fighting

461
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Speaker 2: the guy at the right time, coming off of you know,

462
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Speaker 2: two bad losses in the in the inactivity between the

463
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Speaker 2: two of them and all that where it's weird, Luke,

464
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Speaker 2: that gap between I say all the time, the gap

465
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Speaker 2: between the light heavyweight and heavyweight can be the widest

466
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Speaker 2: in in some situations given your skill set. Where at

467
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Speaker 2: thirty three, when he walked away from from two oh five,

468
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Speaker 2: we were like, okay, you've been through the wars. It's

469
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Speaker 2: probably never gonna get better than this. You're probably never

470
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Speaker 2: gonna be able to be the Jones or a Rais

471
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Speaker 2: or whatever, and you'll just be a tough out. And

472
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Speaker 2: yet suddenly, now if you really look at it, you're like,

473
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Speaker 2: what's gonna stop this guy from having a Ryan Batter

474
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Speaker 2: type situation in a new weight class? And I know

475
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Speaker 2: Bader was a little bit more fresh certainly, and in

476
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Speaker 2: a better spot in wins and losses when he took

477
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Speaker 2: the chance and moved up into that tournament. And I

478
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Speaker 2: know he thought different level of competition potentially than Gusu

479
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Speaker 2: sentle Face here. But the whole idea of a guy

480
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Speaker 2: who's still young enough is gonna have an inherent speed advantage,

481
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: is such a detailed striker. And oh, by the way,

482
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Speaker 2: has really good size at six ' four. And you

483
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Speaker 2: know you mentioned the Blahowic site five five that aged well.

484
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Speaker 2: I just went back and watched the Daniel Cormier title

485
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Speaker 2: loss two days ago. That's aged extremely well in terms

486
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Speaker 2: of a great performance. He took DC down, He's toff takedowns.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the full game. That may have

488
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Speaker 2: been the last time we've seen him at his five

489
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Speaker 2: star ultra elite level. There is a lot of potential

490
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Speaker 2: because you can use those advantages at heavyweight against older,

491
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Speaker 2: slower guys and your age is not an issue. And

492
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Speaker 2: when you have like John Jones, which is why I've

493
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Speaker 2: made a long case that Jones could go unbeaten for

494
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Speaker 2: a stretch at heavyweight. If you have got the size

495
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Speaker 2: to go with it, and you can you can stop

496
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Speaker 2: the takedown and take people down. It's a different story.

497
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Guvson's gonna walk in there overnight and

498
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Speaker 2: be a new fighter, but he has the skill set

499
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Speaker 2: to do that. I mean, even Ali Latifi moved up,

500
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Speaker 2: and I know it was one of the best fight,

501
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: but you're like, he may have found an avenue for

502
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Speaker 2: a longer career here if he focuses on wrestling as

503
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Speaker 2: a heavyweight. This is very interesting. Luke the size, he's

504
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Speaker 2: gonna have to prove to us that it doesn't matter

505
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Speaker 2: that it's just extra blob on him. I mean, didn't

506
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Speaker 2: work for John Valante as much, but you know, we'll

507
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Speaker 2: see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing for folks who been I realized

509
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Speaker 1: I looked at the tail of tape at least with Verduom,

510
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Speaker 1: and Verdun was a huge guy. Gustafsen six five to

511
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Speaker 1: his six ' four seventy nine inch reached to Verduome

512
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Speaker 1: seventy seven. So in terms of the frame anyway, he's

513
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Speaker 1: got the frame. We'll see how the size does. Again,

514
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Speaker 1: he was so light on his feet and sticking and

515
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Speaker 1: moving at light heavyweight. He's gonna have to retain some

516
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Speaker 1: of that. But he brought up some great points and

517
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Speaker 1: thirty three at heavyweight is in no way, shape or

518
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Speaker 1: form old, not even close. It might even be on

519
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Speaker 1: the younger side, to be quite honest with you.

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Speaker 2: He may have the time to learn and adjust and

521
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Speaker 2: grow and figure out the best heavyweight version of him.

522
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: It's that early in the process, right.

523
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Speaker 1: So that's the question, is that does his game to

524
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Speaker 1: what exit? Is his game at heavyweight his game at

525
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Speaker 1: light heavyweight. For Daniel Cormier it was pretty similar. They

526
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Speaker 1: had basically the same game, but sometimes when guys move

527
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Speaker 1: up they change it just a little bit. So I'm

528
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Speaker 1: curious to see what happens there with him. But the

529
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Speaker 1: part for me that I can't get out of my

530
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Speaker 1: head BC, and I wonder what you make of this

531
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Speaker 1: part too, is let's say he goes up and does well.

532
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Speaker 1: Now there's a big question about how well he will do,

533
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Speaker 1: because do I think he can beat this shemil Afdo

534
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Speaker 1: Rocky Mobs of the world. Yes, I certainly do. I

535
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Speaker 1: think he can make it inside the top ten, although

536
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Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, how things go this weekend, But

537
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Speaker 1: it seems plausible in theory he could do that. You

538
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: start getting up to the jds's and the Francis's and

539
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Speaker 1: then I just don't know what to make of that.

540
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Speaker 1: But I'll say this, If Gustafson goes up and looks

541
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Speaker 1: good this weekend and then it gets another good win

542
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Speaker 1: at heavyweight against a ranked sort of well known name,

543
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Speaker 1: do you think that that makes it a little bit

544
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Speaker 1: more likely that John Jones comes back, which we know

545
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Speaker 1: his beef is about fighter pay and about the principle

546
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Speaker 1: of the matter, and he doesn't need it in the

547
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: way that Gustafson badly needs a rebrand here, I understand,

548
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Speaker 1: But how could John Jones look around and see, wow,

549
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: DC got to be a champ. Champ, here's the other

550
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: guy I vanquished twice and now he's up there kicking ass, Like,

551
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: maybe I should just come back and just make the

552
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Speaker 1: best of it, because it's just it makes more sense

553
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Speaker 1: than the end for what it's available to me given

554
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Speaker 1: the circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great point on look at

556
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Speaker 2: like that will only speed up John coming there. If

557
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Speaker 2: Gustin's able to go in there again for doom out

558
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: box him completely, and and you know, and and if

559
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: he can control him and statut of trouble on the ground,

560
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: certainly and look great. That could be a tip in

561
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Speaker 2: the in the cap of John thinking you can do

562
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: the same. And also, let's not forget when John took

563
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: that stance publicly about the pay. That was when we

564
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: had no live gates. We still have no live gates,

565
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: but we have deep pockets in our friends at the UAE,

566
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Speaker 2: so that could also fuel John's return the same. I

567
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: think ultimately final point on GUV is gonna come down

568
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: to his punch resistance, Luke. I mean, he's been in

569
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: there with with heavyweight level punchers when you're talking about

570
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: like a rumble Johnson in a DC and you know,

571
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Speaker 2: and he for the most part, I know he got

572
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: blitzed in that one fight, but for the most part

573
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: he's incredibly sturdy and has great punch resistance. So we'll

574
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Speaker 2: see if that can hold up.

575
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Speaker 1: For sure, we're waiting on Steven Espinosa. He should be

576
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Speaker 1: here any minute before the time remaining. Jesus Christ, Dude,

577
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Speaker 1: I can't be the only one who looks at this

578
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: comaine between Showgun and Little Nog and it's like it's

579
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Speaker 1: the trilogy, and I'm like, it's the sadness is what

580
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Speaker 1: it is. Dude. I hate to say say this because

581
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: I you know, I certainly no doctor. I can't make

582
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: a claim like this. It would be absolutely the biggest

583
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: surprise of my career if both of these guys end

584
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: up with no long term ill effects from brain trauma.

585
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is some kind of joke

586
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: or punchline.

587
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: It's not.

588
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm legitimately worried about them both.

589
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm not as worried right now based on the recent

590
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: signs they've shown. I mean, if you look at Chogun

591
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Hua's record, it's like, actually sneaky, really good in the

592
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: past five.

593
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Speaker 1: Years, saying I didn't say he was bad, I just

594
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: saw I got a lot of problems.

595
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: See the problem for him and even little nog To

596
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Speaker 2: a certain girl though he's forty four, and it's a

597
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: different story. Is they got old early to where we

598
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: can go Okay, they're not the same title version, meaning

599
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: thirty two years old, thirty three years old. Yet they

600
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: were still great enough as what their role became as

601
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: a gatekeeper that they never suffered enough damaging losses to

602
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 2: to really speed up their exit, and it's allowed them

603
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: to linger in. Yes, this is a sloppy trilogy. They

604
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: might as well go eight rounds with no headgear and

605
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: promise not to knock each other out. Luke, but uh,

606
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it'll be sneaky good. I don't know.

607
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: I don't hate it as much as most people.

608
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it.

609
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. We're gonna prove here. We're not even

610
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: on Brazilian soil, so there's a lot. There's a lot

611
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: not to love here. But would you rather see these

612
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: two fight each other than some young horse that's gonna

613
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: walk in there and wallop them? Yes, Luke, you would.

614
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: The other part is like Showgun ended up actually becoming

615
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: a UFC fan favorite because he still had enough lift

616
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: in the tank to become a champion while he was here,

617
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: whereas Little Knog was, first of all, never as good

618
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: as his brother Number one, or at least as successful anyway,

619
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Speaker 1: and number two. Dude, this is an old Brazilian top

620
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: team versus shooter box rivalry. Are either of these teams

621
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: still around? It's like, what are we what an anachronistic

622
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: vibe are we going for here?

623
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Speaker 4: Uh?

624
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, maybe the matchmaker's just going, uh

625
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, why are we gonna get either of these

626
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: guys hurt? Right now? If they fight each other. The

627
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: old school of crowd will care. I mean, there's a

628
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: market for it. I love that shit, all right, there

629
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: is a market for it.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's go to our guest. Now, we've

631
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Speaker 1: never had a guest live on the air like this

632
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Speaker 1: with you and MEBC, it's pretty pretty special. He is, uh, well,

633
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: he's the man who signs the checks BC. He is

634
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Speaker 1: the president of Sports and Events Programming. When when you ask, hey,

635
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: who was in charge of sports at Showtime? It is

636
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: our next guest. It is the one and only Harvard alum,

637
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: mister Steven Espinosa. Hi, Stephen, how are you welcome to

638
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Speaker 1: the show?

639
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Speaker 3: Do you get that question a lot?

640
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: You know?

641
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: Who who over there is in charge of Showtimes Sports?

642
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: Is it like that that tone of disbelief that you.

643
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Just asked it with?

644
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: They're like, is that the guy that was feuding with Connor?

645
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the guy that was feuding with Connor

646
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: Steve Ivy League.

647
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know about this side of the all right.

648
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Stanford actually, you know, Harvard's the Stanford of the East.

649
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: But that's right, Yeah, sorry, there's only one. Yes, that's right.

650
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: I forgot my mistake. Okay, well that in mind, Stephen,

651
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: thank you for making some time for us. We appreciate it.

652
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: Let's get right to it with the boxing as they

653
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: got announced on Wednesday, So it seemed to me quite deliberate, right,

654
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: you had top rank coming back, and they were kind

655
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: of piecemealing the rollout in terms of what fights were coming,

656
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: some dribbles of announcements from Golden Boy and match Room.

657
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: You guys decided to come out and say we're just

658
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: going to give you the entire rest of the schedule

659
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. It seemed quite deliberate.

660
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the strategy there. What were you

661
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: looking for and making that kind of an announcement in

662
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: that particular way.

663
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Speaker 3: It definitely was deliberate.

664
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Speaker 4: We said early on that we weren't going to be

665
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: the first ones back for for several reasons, I know, were.

666
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: We going to be the last ones back.

667
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 4: But one thing we wanted to do is to come

668
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: back with a you know, a high quality schedule of

669
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: meaningful fights. You know, sure we could have come back

670
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: earlier with you know, with fights that that didn't quite

671
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: have the same impact, but that's just not wasn't interesting

672
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: to us. You know, that wasn't where we're going to go,

673
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: and you know, we liked the idea of trying to

674
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: impose a little bit of logic and predictability on boxing.

675
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: I know those are things that don't go with combat sports,

676
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: but you know, whenever we can being able to set

677
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: out a schedule of five or six months, it's a

678
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: paint in the butt, but it is absolutely worth it

679
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: because you know, it just signals that that boxing doesn't

680
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: have to be a sort of ad hoc case by case,

681
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: fight by fight. We can do this in an organized

682
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: way that looks like the other major professional sports.

683
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: I think that's a big advancement for the sport.

684
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: If we can start, you know, acting like a professional,

685
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: organized sport.

686
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: And this is one part of it.

687
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Speaker 1: So the big question for me is inside the UFC.

688
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons why they've been able to

689
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: have their premier talent compete, and we could delineate them,

690
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: but for lack of a better description, essentially, they just

691
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: have more control over that kind of a thing. You've

692
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: been hearing from a lot of high end boxers, not

693
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of them. They're like,

694
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: if there's no gate, I'm not going to compete. Now,

695
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I've not heard that specifically from the Charlot Twins, but

696
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: they're of that level of the other kind of boxers

697
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: who have been saying that. So I guess my question

698
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: is you see top rank again. They're out there rolling shows.

699
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I commend them for it, but they don't have their

700
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: premiere product. How are you able to, like, what is

701
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: the economic mechanism that got these sort of A listers

702
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: to be able to compete, including Gervante Davis and others.

703
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: I think what it is is really just a mindset

704
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: more than anything else, and that is we don't know

705
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: what the future holds. We don't know if we're going

706
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: to be back in crowds you know, October, November, December,

707
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: or whether we'll be doing fan lists, you know, into

708
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. So in light of that uncertainty, everybody

709
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: in the sport has one of two choices. Either you

710
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: can sort of say, look, I'm gonna hang around and

711
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 4: wait until some undetermined date, you know, and I'm not

712
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: going to do big fights until we can have crowds back.

713
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: And I understand there are some of those, you know,

714
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: Wilder Fury, you know you're not going to walk away

715
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: from ten million dollars plus at the game. But you know,

716
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 4: short of that, what you've seen from everybody on our

717
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: schedule and particularly the pay per view fights, is you know,

718
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: they're saying, look, we don't know what the future holds,

719
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: but we're not going to wait. We're not going to

720
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 4: be sidelined waiting indefinitely. It's not good for the sport.

721
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's not good for these guys' careers. So

722
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: they're saying, look, if we need to take a little

723
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: bit of a hit, you know, we're going to better

724
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: to continue to proceed your career than to put it

725
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: on hold indefinitely waiting for a day where we can

726
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: be in front of fans, which who knows when that's

727
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: going to be.

728
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: Uh Steven, there's a theme ongoing theme of this show.

729
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: We remove the fourth wall. We you know, we don't

730
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: protect anybody. We bring it and knowing you personally, that's

731
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: also your style, your Twitter account always riding the edge

732
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: of probably getting you suspended, and I love that about you.

733
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Look the boxing media one year ago, they were writing

734
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: your obituary from the standpoint of we love showtime, great

735
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: announced team, great production. But they're on the way of

736
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: becoming the next HBO and getting out of it. And

737
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: you've heard Bob Aram of Toprik many times say, you

738
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: know cable premiere boxing, you know boxing and premiere cable homes.

739
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't work anymore. It works better on big sports networks.

740
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: And of course we know PBC splits time with Fox.

741
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: This announcement, though, I mean, I think under the guise

742
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: of a quarantine, it's an a plus. I think even

743
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: without that, it is so strong because it's competitive, there's variety,

744
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good stuff here. Does this say

745
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: like you all must have forgot Showtime Boxing the best

746
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: in the business at this moment. I mean you had

747
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: to like a little a little bit of a you know,

748
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: two words for you when you drop this.

749
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 4: The reality it wasn't the primary focus or the objective

750
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: here was to answer that. But you know, sure this

751
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: sort of removes any questions. To be clear, the questions.

752
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Really are the doubts or the rumors of our demise.

753
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 4: We're coming from two sources, and two sources who weren't

754
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: particularly objective. They have their own interests in building boxing elsewhere,

755
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: but neither of those two sources have any visibility into

756
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: our business. So for them to be able to generalize

757
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: and say, look, you know the business isn't working for showtime,

758
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: that's that's not a decision. It's not a judgment you

759
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: can make from outside. So yes, look, is there a

760
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: little bit of personal satisfaction in doing a schedule this big,

761
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: in doing a schedule that is more comprehensive, more meaningful,

762
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 4: I think, higher quality than what anyone's done in boxing before.

763
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 4: You know, in this current environment, yes, you know that

764
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: is job one. But also saying look, you know, for

765
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: all those that you doubted, there's a reason we've been

766
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: here thirty five years where we're not going anywhere whereas

767
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: committed and enthusiastic, and we know the sport you know

768
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: better than anybody. So you know, we're not going to

769
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: answer every sort of criticism. We'll just continue to do

770
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 4: what we do and let our work speak for ourselves.

771
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: The modern boxing game as we speak right now in

772
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty step and look, we know what the promoters

773
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: are very tied to their exclusive network. It's created almost

774
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: like a separate group of leagues. Yes, we do see

775
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: some crossover at the very highest level. We do see

776
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: it sometimes at the lowest level in terms of promoters,

777
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: sharing fighters and all that. PBC is in a unique

778
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: spot with two major networks, as I mentioned, Showtime and Fox.

779
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: What is that conversation like ahead of this launch between

780
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: you and Al Haim and the PBC founder in terms

781
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: of what fighters are right for Showtime? What fighters are

782
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: right for Fox? Because I almost see right now that

783
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, there's a focused look at certain divisions in

784
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: the Showtime rollout, and like I mentioned, competitive fights that

785
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: seem to have Hey, if this guy wins this, he

786
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: may be fighting this guy down the road on Showtime.

787
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: Look, the dynamics is really clear. You know, at Showtime

788
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: we want all the best fights. I'm sure they feel

789
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: the same way at Fox, you know. And it's the

790
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 4: same situation with the NFL. You know, CBS wants all

791
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: the best NFL games, you know, wants to have a better.

792
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Schedule than NBC and ESPN.

793
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: You know, the reality is there's there's good events and

794
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: they can be spread out everywhere. I'm really happy at

795
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: the quality of our schedule top to bottom, not just

796
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 4: the headliners. The headliners are in tough fights, but top

797
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: to bottom they're competitive fights and more importantly, meaningful fights

798
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: and I think that is what's necessary right now. I am,

799
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 4: you know, in this whole era of the pandemic in

800
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 4: those sports. I'm sort of a contrarian. I don't think

801
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: that there's pent up demand. I don't think that that's

802
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: what is going on right now. If anything, it's the opposite.

803
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: You know, our audience has pretty much figured out how

804
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: to exist without us for several months.

805
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: You never want your audience.

806
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: To get used to not having you around. So we

807
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: need to come out strong and remind people why they

808
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: love this sport and remind people of the best this

809
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: sports to offer. Coming out with a schedule of you know,

810
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: four six and eight rounders that aren't particularly meaningful, isn't

811
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: the way to bring you know, sports fans, you know,

812
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 4: back to the sport after a period of inactivity.

813
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: Uh, Steven, I want to focus in on the two

814
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Crown Jewel events of the schedule that we're announced. It's

815
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: two pay per views. The first is the twenty six.

816
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, it's going to be a pay per

817
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: view doubleheader with both Jermal Charlo and Jermel Charlo. What

818
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: it was the genesis of this idea. I love it

819
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: because I actually went through and I was searching every

820
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: boxing online forum I could find, and it was a

821
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: consistent theme with this event. One, it was the totality

822
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: of it, like, oh, we're gonna get both Charlo brothers, okay.

823
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: Two it was they both got real fights on their hands.

824
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: And then three that the card was sort of filled

825
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: out all the way down. It wasn't it was. This

826
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: was the one that they highlighted on the showtime schedules

827
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: being the most stacked, So why go so heavy on

828
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: the twenty six with the two brothers?

829
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: In this way, part of it is is an acknowledgement

830
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: of the economic conditions that were that we're in.

831
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: You know, look, the employment is at record numbers.

832
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: There's a lot of financial stresses, and you know, they

833
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: really want to deliver value for someone who's going to

834
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 4: put down their hard earned money on this on this

835
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: pay per view, you know. And the other aspect is,

836
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: you know, this is an important fight for the sport,

837
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: it's an important fight for the Charlo's in particular, and

838
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: we wanted to make it feel big. We wanted to

839
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: get back on on the calendar with big, big events

840
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 4: like this. Idea originally was taking a queue from WWE

841
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: and what they did with WrestleMania and having two nights,

842
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: and that's where we additionally wanted to do is have

843
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: one one Charlot on Friday night, one Charlote Saturday night,

844
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: one pay per view price for two evenings of entertainment.

845
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 4: We ran into the same problem that WWE did, which

846
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: is that there are technical challenges to doing that with

847
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: cable and satellite companies that I won't bore you with

848
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: the reasons. You know, it has to do with, you know,

849
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: keeping the pay per view window open for more than

850
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. So once we figured out that that

851
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 4: couldn't happen, the next best thing, let's turn it into

852
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: a doubleheader. We see doubleheader, you know, NFL games, double header,

853
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: NBA games, baseball games. We've remember seeing really a doubleheader

854
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: boxing event. So you know, here we just knowing the

855
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: financial challenges a lot of people are under, we want

856
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: to make sure that this one over delivered in terms

857
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 4: of value during this particular time.

858
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: And then the other one, of course, is the Gravante

859
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: Davis and Leo Santa Cruz fight. I believe that scheduled

860
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: for October twenty fourth, also a pay per view. I mean,

861
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: so there's there's sort of like a big story about Jervonte. Right.

862
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: The good side, obviously is I'll never forget when he

863
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: fought Gamboa in Atlanta at the end of the year.

864
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I was actually out with some friends, Steven and I

865
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: was going down Eighth Street Northeast in DC, and every

866
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: single sports bar had on the fight. I was. I

867
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: was kind of amazed. I was like, Wow, this guy's

868
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: about to break through, and this is the fight that

869
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: could help him really enter that next level. Still, he

870
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: has been getting into a bit of trouble. I think

871
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: it's a nother thing we can ignore. We talked about

872
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: it a little bit on Morning Combat. Now he's been

873
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: I guess out of the headlines more recently, which is great.

874
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: But still some of the video was a little bit upsetting.

875
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I wonder what your response is to what all has

876
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: been happening around him.

877
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: Look, it was certainly upsetting to us as well, and

878
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: we you know, Jervonte is somebody I have a personal

879
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: relationship with, you know, and we've we've talked about that

880
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: incident and.

881
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Some more issues, you know, extensively, and you know.

882
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 4: I am I'm confident that he is remorseful and he's

883
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: committed to do better now he knows he's not going

884
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: to get you know, many more chances, you know at

885
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: this point. And you know, only time will tell in

886
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: terms of whether he's able to avoid those sorts of

887
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: situations and temptations and you know, and those kinds of conflicts.

888
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: But you know, if he is, the sky's the limit

889
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: for him. I mean, you know, look, boxing is is

890
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 4: filled with stories about unfulfilled potential and and distractions and

891
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: other problems which sort of take promising young fighters on

892
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 4: a path that they didn't expect. If if he can,

893
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: you know, stay on the straight and narrow, he has

894
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 4: proven that he can resonate with casual fans, you know,

895
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: and it's he's got that that it factor that just

896
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: can't quantify that draws people to him.

897
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: He is a charismatic young fighter.

898
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: I think he's he's got, you know, you know, the

899
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: world ahead of him if he can, if he can

900
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: sort of stay on the right path.

901
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: The other thing that I found about the fight that's

902
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: really interesting, Steven, if I may, it's I don't quite

903
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: know how this works. It's going to be for the

904
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: super featherweight title and the lightweight title, so two different

905
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: weight classes at once. How does that.

906
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: Work pound title, and Leo's got the one hundred and

907
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: thirty pound title. So in order to defend your one

908
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five pound title, all you have to

909
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: do is weigh in under one thirty five. So if

910
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 4: you're fighting actually for the one hundred and thirty pound

911
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: title as well, you know, weighing under one thirty will

912
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: satisfy the weight limits for both titles.

913
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: So the fight will be contested, you know, really at a.

914
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 4: One hundred and thirty pound but one hundred and thirty

915
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: five pound title will also be at stake. I think

916
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: the last time it's been done with Sugar Ray Leonards,

917
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: so it's been a while, but it's a you know,

918
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 4: it's interesting twist on the fight. It brings it to

919
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: much higher stakes. Not just two titles, but two titles

920
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: in different divisions are at stake in that fighting.

921
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: Steve, I don't want to jump in a nerdy out

922
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: on Showtime Trivia, but let's not forget the Floyd Mayweather

923
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: Marcos Madonna pay per view rematch in twenty fourteen. They

924
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: did the same thing, putting Floyd's fifty four title on.

925
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: Nice little trick there certainly adds to the stakes. I

926
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: want to double back quickly on the Charlos though they

927
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: did a double bill main event with Fox in twenty

928
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: eighteen and flipped a coin to see who would go

929
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: on last. The reason why I bring this up is

930
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: what I love about these guys. They are so insanely

931
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: competitive that any interview with them at any time can

932
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: go off the damn rails. They've sent me to hell

933
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: on my own podcast. It is what it is. In

934
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: the end, how the hell are you going to take

935
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: these two brothers who are competitive against each other and

936
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: just say, you two figure it out who's going on last?

937
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 4: That's exactly what we're gonna have to do. You probably

938
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: saw it on the on the zoom. You could already

939
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: see them angling, you know, staking out their their their

940
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: territories in terms of of who goes who goes.

941
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: Into late slot.

942
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: You know, Toru Metal clearly hasn't forgotten that he lost

943
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: the coin toss uh last time around. Look, I'm not

944
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: gonna get in the middle of it. They are insanely competitive.

945
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: I don't think it matters all that much. You know,

946
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: if if you know, the second game of an NFL

947
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: doubleheader isn't necessarily any lower and stature than the first game.

948
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: I think, here, you've got you know, two really great events.

949
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: You've got four world titles on one on one pay

950
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: per view card.

951
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I'll let them.

952
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure they've you know, whether it's rock, paper scissors

953
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: or you know, arm wrestling or whatever they do in

954
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: the Charlow House to settle this disputes. This certainly won't

955
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: be the first one or the last between those two guys.

956
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: I love those guys. Indeed, I mentioned Floyd in passing before.

957
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: He's still, you know, the biggest brand in the sport

958
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: whenever he wants to be. And he's got a great

959
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: relationship with you guys at Showtime, and we know that

960
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: if I'm looking at you know, if I'm playing Showtime

961
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: matchmaker and then their future. I still feel like Floyd

962
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: Connor two is the biggest fight you could possibly make.

963
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: In general, What are your conversations with Floyd? Do you

964
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: believe he'll fight again and fight, you know, on Showtime

965
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: pay per view and a blockbuster?

966
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I would, I would love love for him to do it,

967
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 4: you know, and trust me, we've been pressuring him.

968
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: Cajoling him.

969
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, every every verb you can think of

970
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, getting him back, whether it's

971
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: against you know, another Pachio fighter, McGregor fighter or something else.

972
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 4: You know, I think the sport is is better off,

973
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: wouldn't He's around. He brings a level of visibility and

974
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: awareness that really, I think rises.

975
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: It's the tide that lifts all boats.

976
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: So I think it would be great, not just for

977
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: our business and for Floyd's pocketbook, but I think the

978
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 4: sports benefits from, you know, from that mainstream visibility. Having

979
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: said that, you know, other than the last the first

980
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: six months, I don't get the sense that he's actually

981
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: been that close to coming back. Sure, he's flirted with

982
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 4: it and you know, things like that, but at the

983
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 4: end of the day, you know, what more can he achieve?

984
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, he loves to do big events and

985
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: there are big opportunities there. But you know, when you've

986
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: devoted your entire life to something, you know, including you know,

987
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: twenty years of being a professional boxer, look, at a

988
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: certain point you probably deserve to be left alone. So yeah,

989
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: so I've backed off in terms of that. I'm hoping

990
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: that he still comes back, but there's part of me

991
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 4: that's that's also hoping you know, let him be happy

992
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: on his own. He's doing a lot of training, he's

993
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: still in the gym, he's raising his kids. You know,

994
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: let him have a life outside the sport.

995
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: And he's at an age in his early forties where

996
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, he's done enough, we've seen enough, yet still

997
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: close enough to greatness that he could pull it off.

998
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: Other guys, though, Steven, have people worried like fifty four

999
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: year old Mike Tyson and fifty one year old Roy

1000
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: Jones Junior? Did did show time pass on this fight?

1001
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 2: If not, it's going to appear on some app here.

1002
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: You got any thoughts on this, Steven, this eight round exhibition.

1003
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: We typed to Mike and Kiki and his and their

1004
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: representatives early on, and we you know, give him the

1005
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 4: relationship with Mike in his appeal. You know, we certainly

1006
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 4: were interested in the event. You know, I think they

1007
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, the financial opportunities might be better

1008
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: somewhere somewhere else. You know, I don't think it's it's

1009
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: fully established yet, but you know the reality they had,

1010
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 4: you know, people offering them, you know, tens of millions

1011
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: of dollars to get this done. And you know, I

1012
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: think if there's that global of interest on the guaranteed

1013
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: some then' you know, more power to them. You know, yes,

1014
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 4: it is a bit of a freak show, but it

1015
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: is Mike Tyson. He's a phenomenon unlike any other. I

1016
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: don't think anyone's going into this, you know, expecting this

1017
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 4: to be, you know, the biggest and most skilled boxing

1018
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 4: event they've ever seen. You know, it's a it's a

1019
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: way to enjoy some of the greats again, you know,

1020
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: it's very clearly an exhibition. I don't I don't put

1021
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: it in the same category as as sort of you know,

1022
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 4: the elite fights of today in the sport. But I'm

1023
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: also not going to say that they're not entitled to

1024
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: do it. If they want to come out and entertain

1025
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 4: and it's done in a safe way, they're more power

1026
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: to them.

1027
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: Steven, there is a you mentioned something I thought was

1028
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, which was, you know that the audience

1029
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: had to be just kind of been managing without boxing

1030
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: for a time and you want to kind of like,

1031
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, snap them out of it. And intuitively that

1032
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: sounds quite right, but the UFC seems to have a

1033
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: bit of the opposite belief that they have really benefited

1034
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: from the absence essentially of alternatives. So which is it.

1035
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: Are they coasting to a higher sort of tide as

1036
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: it were because they don't have to worry about football

1037
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: or boxing or anything else, or how do you reconcile

1038
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: those two different competing visions.

1039
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 4: Look, there's certainly a general benefit from not having to

1040
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: compete for attention in a very busy sports calendar.

1041
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: I think there is some benefit to that.

1042
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 4: And I think they were able to come back relatively early,

1043
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: you know, And and I'm sure the fan.

1044
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: Base appreciates that.

1045
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, it comes down to quality fights,

1046
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: and I don't think that. I think there are some

1047
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: that think that, look, just come back with anything, and

1048
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 4: people will be so thankful to have it, so desperate

1049
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 4: that you'll get a pass that you'll get get by.

1050
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 4: And I guess what I'm what I'm really ranting against

1051
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: more than anything else, is that.

1052
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: That that sort of expectation. I think as.

1053
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: Combat sports fans, we should have better expectations for our sport.

1054
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: We shouldn't just be thankful that it's there and say, well,

1055
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 4: I give them credit for doing something. No, it's it's

1056
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: fair to request, meaningful, to expect meaningful competitive fights, high

1057
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 4: quality fights, and and to not.

1058
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: Watch it if you're not getting that.

1059
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: And I think you know, there have been some UFC

1060
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 4: events that did great there there have been some that

1061
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 4: did you know below what they've been doing pre pandemic,

1062
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, it really goes to the

1063
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 4: quality of the events. If you're doing quality events, people

1064
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: will come. I don't think that even in this time,

1065
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: you're going to get a pass for doing events that

1066
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: no one really cares about, even if they're desperate.

1067
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 3: I think at a certain point you're.

1068
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: Just it's not going to resonate no matter how desperate

1069
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: the fan base is.

1070
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: I do want to talk very quickly we can about

1071
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: the COVID safety protocol that you guys are going to

1072
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: have at the Mohegan Sun By the way, Belt will

1073
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: be there tonight, and of course I guess their August

1074
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: seventh show will be there as well. Can you give

1075
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: us a bit of a detail about that. I recall

1076
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: early in the UFC's run. I think this was during

1077
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville shows in May where it became news that

1078
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: they had to sign this waiver. I guess the UFC

1079
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: has really walked that back, but there's no waivers. Anybody

1080
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: has to sign to get into the Mohigan Sun, right, Like,

1081
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing to keep people safe? And

1082
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: what are the How did you come up with those protocols.

1083
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: It's one of the.

1084
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: Reasons why we we waited a little bit longer so

1085
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: we could see what UFC did, what Top Rank did,

1086
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: what the NBA was doing. That's really been in a

1087
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: leadership position on all this, you know, and see all

1088
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: these other plans. You know, I've probably got a dozen

1089
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 4: different leagues plans here and want to see how they

1090
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: played out. So look, I'm not saying our plan is better,

1091
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 4: our structure is better. I do think that we've learned

1092
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 4: and made adjustments based on what we've seen in other

1093
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: plans and in other events. One thing I think that

1094
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 4: that we're prioritizing, the promoters are prioritizing, is more pre

1095
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: fight testing among fires, because the worst thing in all

1096
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: of this is to get those last minute cancelations, So

1097
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's the day before, a couple of

1098
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: days before, you know, it's terrible for the fighter to

1099
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: do all that work. It's bad for the audience, you know,

1100
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: and then it's bad for the network as well.

1101
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: Because we can't. We don't have time for to find

1102
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: a replacement.

1103
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 4: So when I look at the guys of the main event,

1104
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: the guys from our August one card, they've the fighters

1105
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 4: themselves and their camps have been already tested at least

1106
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: five times. I think, you know, the main event has

1107
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 4: been tested six, you know, and we tested at least

1108
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 4: two more times during fight week. So you know, as

1109
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 4: as long as as we're able to do that with

1110
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: you know, and and it holds with the testing demand,

1111
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest difference is you know, testing

1112
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: on a weekly basis, starting four or five weeks before

1113
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 4: the fight, so that you know, we can catch hopefully

1114
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: a positive before fight week and and have the greatest

1115
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: chance to get the best quality fights on during during

1116
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: this whole pandemic.

1117
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: Stephen, quickly before we go, you know, the Viacom CBS

1118
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: merger has made a lot of us closer. Belatur's under

1119
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: the hood now this show, of course is as well,

1120
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: we're all related now in some form, you know, sort

1121
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: of sort of sort of all right from the way

1122
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: stuff at least, uh Stephen, fans have seen you know,

1123
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: beltour back tonight will not be on design will be

1124
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: on the Paramount Network, which is also in the family.

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: We know that you oversee Belatore. What can you tell

1126
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: us about any future potential. We've seen Strikeforce have a

1127
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: great run on Showtime in the past. To see m

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: m A back on Showtime, I think.

1129
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: That is the goal long term.

1130
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Speaker 4: You know, we we we're certainly not going to put

1131
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: beltor position of of you know, breaching their contractual agreement.

1132
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: So when the opportunity rises, you know, I'd love to

1133
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 4: see the event, the events back on on Showtime, you know,

1134
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 4: as well as across the Bacon company. And I think

1135
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 4: what's interesting, at least from the combat sports nerd element

1136
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: of this is we've set a pattern here of how

1137
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: we can collaborate with with sort of our affiliated company.

1138
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: You know.

1139
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 4: We are setting up you know, one time and staying

1140
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: there for a couple of months. We may extend, we

1141
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 4: may not, depends on what the situation is. But there's

1142
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 4: no one else in there. It's same protocols, same lighting grid,

1143
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 4: same set, same everything. We're just switching out a ring

1144
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: for cage every you know, basically every other week. But

1145
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 4: I think this this will lead to I think more

1146
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: synergies be toward the two we've talked about, you know,

1147
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: events on the same night and maybe you know, intermingled events.

1148
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: I think it's all possible once you're you're dealing with

1149
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: an affiliated company, and I think there's a lot that

1150
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 4: we can do to further expand and elevate the ballotore

1151
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 4: fan base.

1152
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: Steven, last question before I'm sorry, sorry to see you.

1153
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: Go ahead, buddy.

1154
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and closing here, and you're We've been great chat

1155
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: with you. Appreciate your time for sure. I got to

1156
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: ask for the boxing hardcore here. This quarantine has has

1157
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: been hard on a lot of us. It's opened up opportunities.

1158
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: My wife has had me cleaning out the garage, all right.

1159
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: You know, you find some old things, you rekindle old relationships.

1160
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: You look like you're in your office right now at

1161
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: Showtime headquarters in NYC. It's seven years later. You know,

1162
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: the people need to know, Steven, Floyd Mayweather, Robert Guerrero,

1163
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: did you find the pay per view numbers? Did we

1164
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: break a million or not? I think the statue of

1165
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: limitations is passed. We can be honest. Now, Okay, this

1166
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: is you.

1167
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: Know, as we get back to the office and I

1168
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: haven't been in the office since March twelfth, thirteenth, whatever

1169
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: that was. You basically have to go through an NSA

1170
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 4: security check in a review in order to be let

1171
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 4: back in the office. Not to mention, you know, any

1172
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 4: number of tests. So you know, I will as we

1173
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: get back in sort of into the work environment, I

1174
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: will make sure everybody looks in all the crooks and

1175
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: the crevices, and maybe we'll turn up on counting report

1176
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: and we'll let you guys break it.

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: Thank you. Can we get Heraldo Rivera involved in this? Please?

1178
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1179
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes. Got to open up all the tombs very

1180
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: quickly before you go, Steve, and I wouldn't want to

1181
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: end on a sour note, but I wouldn't want to

1182
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: forget it either. It was reported just before the show

1183
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: that Nazeene Richardson, the legendary boxing trainer, had passed away

1184
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: trainer to Moseley even in the kickboxing world better Harry

1185
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: and some other folks with Bernard Hopkins. I wonder what

1186
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: you made of that in any comments about the life

1187
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: and the career of Nazine Richards.

1188
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: You know, I knew Nassim a really good guy, very

1189
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 4: thoughtful guy, as a as a trainer and as a

1190
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 4: as a man. You know, he suffered a stroke a

1191
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: while back, and a lot of people thought that that

1192
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 4: might be the end of him training, and it turned

1193
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: out that he uh, he continued on, he fought through

1194
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 4: it and and continued to have a lot more successful years.

1195
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 4: Like I uh, I think he's one of the most

1196
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: you know, thoughtful, under appreciated and undervalued guys in the sport.

1197
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 4: Just a really well rounded guy and you know, who

1198
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: cared about his fighters in and out of the ring,

1199
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 4: and so I you know, his loss will will definitely

1200
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: be felt. You know, I'll probably always associate him most

1201
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 4: with with Bernard Hopkins, and the part I remember about

1202
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: in the zem is you know, he had a you know,

1203
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 4: a set of code words. There's a lot of trainers do,

1204
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: but his were always really colorful.

1205
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1206
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: He when he's yelling out to Bernard Hopkins, he's saying,

1207
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 4: you know, you know, he's yelling at it. He's like,

1208
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 4: pop that chain, pop that chain, you know, swim without

1209
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 4: getting wet, you know, and you know all of that

1210
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: meant something to Bernard and I could you can try

1211
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 4: and guess it, but it was just his manner of

1212
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: speaking and expressing himself.

1213
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: It was.

1214
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: It was always colorful, it was entertaining and and it

1215
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: and something to the fighter. So that's that's probably what

1216
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: I'll remember about him most in Connect with the Box.

1217
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Well, Steven, it's the first time we've had you on

1218
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: the show, first time that Brian and I have had

1219
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: a live guest, you know, maybe the last time, depending

1220
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: on how things go. But we appreciate your candor congratulations

1221
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: on the debut of the boxing schedule. Can't wait to

1222
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: see it, quite honestly, I mean that genuinely. It's been

1223
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: it's been a long winter, so to speak, and it

1224
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: seems like it's gonna fall out a little bit. So

1225
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and hopefully we'll talk soon.

1226
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to start to do maybe we'll do

1227
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: a reveal show on Morning Combat. We can do it

1228
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 4: like the NCAA tournament where we're we're taking names off

1229
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: the board and you know, and and revealing things.

1230
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: Let's make this like a six hour announcement.

1231
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: I love this. I love it, Steven. We are pathetic

1232
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: careerist social climbers. If ever there were some anything you

1233
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: want to debut on the show, it's a yes.

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: Okay, good to know, guys.

1235
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: There, Steven Espinosa, thank you so much. All Right, very good,

1236
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: h b C. Let's get to this here just a

1237
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: little bit forir so appreciate Steven coming on. You think

1238
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna get fired for some of those questions, I'm

1239
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: just wondering, probably not right.

1240
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: No, No, it was great. It was great. Stephen always

1241
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: always deals with the fastballs very well.

1242
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: And uh, here's the thing that like, here's the thing

1243
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: that like fans don't appreciate who just come from MMA

1244
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: boxing promoters slash like high level folks in boxing. They're

1245
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: much more willing to spar over topics than like in MMA,

1246
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: right in MMA, they don't want to do that at all.

1247
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, indeed, you know. But no, Steven's got a

1248
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: great personality. People get on them sometimes because McGregor got

1249
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: off ball in that ass, but but a great leader

1250
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: as well as good to chat with. Look, let's hit it.

1251
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Let's hit this showtime schedule. It's strong, it's really strong. Okay,

1252
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: you mentioned those two big pay per views, but there

1253
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: are some really sneaky great matchups across the board, Luke

1254
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: and I really think showtime as potential here PBC in general,

1255
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: that one fifty four division is so oh frickin' jacked up.

1256
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: You really could do a you know, eight twelve sixteen

1257
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: man tournament right now. And you just look at that

1258
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: September nineteenth on Showtime fight ericson Lubin and Terrell Goshe

1259
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: winner no doubt gonna get elevated to the title level.

1260
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: And then, as we mentioned, one half of that September

1261
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: twenty sixth Charlo on Charlo pay per View when Jamel

1262
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: Charlo brings his one of four junior middleweight titles in

1263
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: against Jason Bananas Rosario, who has two of the four

1264
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: after his upset knockout of Jay Rock Williams earlier this year. Luke,

1265
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: that's going to be a huge fight for power and

1266
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: control in this division. When you consider the winner, we'll

1267
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: have three of the four major belts, and you consider

1268
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: that everyone else in the division of note is PBC friendly.

1269
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: You can see Julian Williams back in the mix, Jarrett Hurd,

1270
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: you can see Arislandi, Lara, Tony Harrison. There are so

1271
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: many great names right now, Brian Costano where I can't

1272
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: wait to see where this plays out. And you know,

1273
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: if Steven and company play their cards right, this could

1274
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: be a nice there could be some synergy here in

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01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: storyline to get behind on showtime.

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Speaker 1: So let's play a little bit of a game. I'm

1277
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: going to play curious but clueless, MMA fan, I'm being

1278
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: type cast. You play boxing insider. I'm gonna ask you

1279
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: about some of the sort of the top line things

1280
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: that they might be interested in. Tell me what to

1281
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: look forward to. So, first of all, you mentioned the

1282
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: twenty six, which is the pay per view. You've got

1283
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: Charlo against dere Yanchenko and darrevian Chenko. He gave Triple

1284
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: G basically everything he could handle. How competitive is that

1285
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: fight for the WBC Middleway crown.

1286
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Speaker 2: He gave him hell, look cigrette. Derevinchenko is thirteen and

1287
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: two with ten KOs. He's gone after it in his

1288
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: pro career, and both of those losses were at the

1289
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: title level, to the elite, to Daniel Jacobs, to Kenadi Glufkin,

1290
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: and he had an outside claim of winning both. He

1291
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: had a much stronger claim against Glofkin last year for

1292
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: that vacant midway title. To many people, it was the

1293
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: fight of the year, all action, all the time. He

1294
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: gets in you. He's a southpaw they call him the

1295
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: technician because he's got craft, but he is tough as balls.

1296
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: Jamal Charlo needs this type of challenge. He had been

1297
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: on a bit of a middle way island when you

1298
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: got to look at the politics in boxing, Luke, when

1299
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: if you're a casual fan and understand it, the Glovekins,

1300
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: the Canelos, all those other guys were not PBC friendly.

1301
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: Jamal finally has a big name. He can fight now

1302
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: and dere Vinchenko if he wins this, and by the way,

1303
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: this is the toughest matchup to date in his career.

1304
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: By far, he's legit. I liked what the two Charlo

1305
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: brothers said when they were asked on that Zoom call

1306
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: on Wednesday with Steven Espinoza about you know what are

1307
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: people going to be saying after this pay per view.

1308
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: Both of those guys want critical pound for pound recognition

1309
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: and think they can get it in either of these matchups,

1310
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: and to a degree, I think they're right on. They've

1311
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: got extreme talent and this is a look look of

1312
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: the fights in boxing that I've been announced. I think

1313
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: Jamal Charlo Serge Derevinchenko is the best fight on paper

1314
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: right now. Yes, we think we're getting Lomachenko Tayo Femalpez,

1315
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: which would probably be a little bit better or on

1316
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: par And then look, Wilder Fury three excites us in

1317
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. But this Charlo Derevinchenko fight

1318
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: is is absolutely fantastic. And then Jimmel Charlo against.

1319
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: A big contrast Rosario, Wow, let me do it, Let

1320
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: me do it. Jason Rosario. By the way, he's he's

1321
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: Latin because it's spelled j E I s O N

1322
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: Officer Rosario two. But the whole point is he kind

1323
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere, right, He was not supposed

1324
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: to beat Jay Rock, who was not supposed to beat

1325
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: jareded Heard and here he is twenty one and one,

1326
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: Like what kind of fighter is Rosario? That no one

1327
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: seemed to see him coming, and that now he's in

1328
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: a very good fight with Dremal Charlo.

1329
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: He's an opportunist because he got an opportunity, leaped through

1330
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: the screen with his power and his aggressiveness and ended

1331
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: up backing up everything he had said ahead of that fight.

1332
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: And it's like weird because you know we've seen Jay

1333
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: Rock lose and then come back in a big way

1334
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: and beat Jared Herd for two of the four belts

1335
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: and remind us by the way in boxing that you

1336
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: can take a loss and you can come back be better.

1337
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: And then out of know where, Rosario comes in and

1338
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: blasts him through the ring. So this is a big puncher.

1339
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: This is a huge test for Jamal Charlo who's coming

1340
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: off Luke a fantastic win to regain his title over

1341
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: Tony Harrison. It was an absolute brawl in December. It

1342
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,479
Speaker 2: was in the argument for Fight of the Year. He's

1343
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: on the verge of stardom. Both Charlos are we got

1344
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: to be honest, thirty years old. They can box, they

1345
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: can punch, They're quick, they're strong, They're all that. And

1346
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: I think even more important Luke, they know how to

1347
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: market themselves. They do the lines only bit. They're edgy

1348
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: and angry on the mic at times. They go after people.

1349
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: They just need the big competition and this pay per

1350
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: view card is giving them that. So again, you know,

1351
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: I can waive the showtime flag because they pay me.

1352
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 2: I can also tell you as a boxing hardcore that

1353
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: these fights really matter.

1354
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: So then you have the October twenty fourth card. Dravonte

1355
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: Davis and Leo Santa Cruz Leo Santa Cruz known as

1356
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: El Terremoto, which means earthquake, doesn't quite look like that thing.

1357
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: He's very thin. The thirty seven and one and one

1358
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: nineteen Dravanta Davis we kind of know, right, big power,

1359
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: they call him tank, kind of takes his time a

1360
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: little bit early, has a huge punch. What about Leos

1361
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: Ante Cruz? What kind of fighter is he?

1362
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Full on excitement all the time. May not have let's say,

1363
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: one punch knockout power on the elite level, but he

1364
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: makes up for that with almost an old school Chavez

1365
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: senior likability to effing get inside on you, to get

1366
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: in your kitchen and just throw punches all night long.

1367
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, he's not just an aggressive, come

1368
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: forward fighter. We saw that in his two fights against

1369
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: Carl Frampton at the featherweight title level, both Fight of

1370
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: the Year candidates themselves that this guy has absolutely great craft.

1371
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: He can adjust on the fly. His two fights with

1372
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: Abnamara show this that as well. The key to this fight, Luke,

1373
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: whether you believe Dravonte Davis is ready for the pay

1374
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: per view level or not from a you know, pay

1375
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: per view by standpoint, and again you're never gonna know

1376
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: until you are flot Mayweather didn't know until he fought

1377
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: out Turrogatti that he can move the product. It's a

1378
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: similar launch in that situation, but you want him in

1379
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 2: there against a guy can lose against. And the fact

1380
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: that this fight is going to be at one thirty

1381
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: really evens the stakes. If it was at one thirty five,

1382
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: you'd start to say to yourself, Leo's gonna be over

1383
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: his head potentially in terms of power and taking a punch.

1384
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: Leo has won titles in four divisions Luke, including just

1385
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: recently that vacant title at one thirty over Moysi's floors,

1386
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: which will be on the line in this one. And

1387
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: the fact that it's at one thirty and Dravonte's got

1388
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: to come back down should even the stakes a bit.

1389
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: Look what Dravante does not do well right the flaws

1390
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: we can say against him. He's got all the talent

1391
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: in the world. There's been times where there's been a

1392
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: gap in showing that maybe he doesn't throw enough punches,

1393
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: maybe he headhunts too much at times.

1394
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: Also, thet the weight cut.

1395
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: The professionalism in the way cut, all those areas come

1396
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: into play. He's a great boxer, he just never really

1397
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: gets the chance to show that he is. Well, he's

1398
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to show a lot against the guy who

1399
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 2: if Dravonte doesn't get a knockout, or if Dravante doesn't

1400
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 2: come ready to box, you know, Leo is going to

1401
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: out work him. It's a fact, and the judges may

1402
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: end up favoring that. That's what makes this fight great. Obviously,

1403
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 2: there's bigger storylines from the star standpoint. They called Jervonte

1404
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: tank the Mike Tyson of the lower weight classes. You know,

1405
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: it's a it's a big statement, but it's not that big.

1406
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: When you watch his highlights, he absolutely pun can punch

1407
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: through people. So this is really a great fight to

1408
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 2: see where he's at brandwise, to also finally give him

1409
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: a big name. Look, I mean, he's had some great wins, right,

1410
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: but sometimes he's had trouble luring those big names. This

1411
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: is a big name. This's a big fish we're gonna

1412
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: see all right.

1413
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: So then last but not least, And it doesn't have

1414
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: to be a headlining fight BC. It doesn't have to

1415
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: be that. But if you're a fan, you're gonna give

1416
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: Showtime a try. You're gona go to Showtime dot com.

1417
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a thirty day free trial. What

1418
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: would be the one fight that's gonna air on Showtime

1419
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: and again main event, comein event whatever that You've really

1420
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: got your eye on that. And I'm not even telling

1421
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: you it's the best one. I'm saying it's the BC special.

1422
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: It's the one where you go to the gas station,

1423
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: like I don't want this hot dog in the front,

1424
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: I want that one in the back. That's the one

1425
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: that I want. Which one is it?

1426
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: Can you just serve that in my hand with a

1427
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: with a with a palm ful of catchup? Please? Yeah, Look,

1428
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: there's a few. I talk to you how I like

1429
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: the Lubin Gochet fight in terms of I don't know

1430
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: who's gonna win, styles, but you want to see people bang.

1431
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: Sergate Lippinets is an underrated name at welterweight. Remember you

1432
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: know he moved up from one forty. Remember he lost

1433
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: his title to Mikey Garcia. But he knocked Mikey down.

1434
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: He pushed him late in that fight. Sergeate Lippinets gets

1435
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: up in that ass. If we can say that out loud, Luke, Okay,

1436
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: he's got a fight October tenth on Showtime against an

1437
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: unbeaten guy fifteen to zero, Kudratilio abdu Hakarovu. He comes

1438
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: from one of those countries, Luke, where they bang, Okay,

1439
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 2: they bang, there's an interim, there's an interim title at stake,

1440
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 2: and you know the business at welterweight, Luke, we're overflowing

1441
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: with big names. Ninety five percent of them are under

1442
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: the PBC banner. I think this is gonna be a

1443
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: Fight of the Year contender, and I think Lippinets has

1444
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: a chance to really break into that overall category. And

1445
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: just one more thing, how about that last one in December?

1446
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: December twelfth, no Nito Donare the legend. Don Air won

1447
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: titles in so many divisions. Former pound for pound number two.

1448
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: He's coming off the fight of the year last year

1449
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: against Neyowa and Newe in the finals of that bantamweight

1450
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: tournament the World Boxing Super Series. The old guy pushed

1451
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: the young guy to the limit and broke his jaw

1452
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff. He's back to going for

1453
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: another title at one eighteen here against noordin U Bali,

1454
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: who's unbeaten himself. That's a sneaky great fight.

1455
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: Also kind of interesting that stablemate of Javonte, Malik Hawkins

1456
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: fighting on that Lipponitz card as well. The one thing

1457
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at that I've circled BC that we

1458
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: actually don't have an opponent for yet is going to

1459
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: be the return of Jeron or Jared I don't remember

1460
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: to pronounce his first name, Ennis, who's tennis. Yeah, King

1461
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: Tug is on that card and then it's Lubin and

1462
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: Gausha on the the is September nineteenth as the maid.

1463
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: Let's not confuse though, King Tug with you freshman year

1464
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: and the dorms William and Mary, because that's very applicable.

1465
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: But luke uh, it's time. Anybody who's been following Showbox,

1466
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: anybody who's been following the undercards that we've been a

1467
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: part of doing the kickoff show, there are there are

1468
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: some good young prospects and names, a lot of them

1469
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, affiliated with Dravante, same camp that's come up

1470
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: with him, that are ready to leap off and they're

1471
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 2: getting you know, key Cole Maine events spots and on

1472
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: a lot of these cards. So look out for those names.

1473
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: The Richardson Hitchens, the Malie Hawkins, as you mentioned.

1474
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: And then obviously as each of these fights get closer,

1475
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: we'll preview all of them and all the cards as well.

1476
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: We'll go into great detail. And uh, I wouldn't mind

1477
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: working some of those events BC, but we'll see how

1478
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: things go.

1479
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: All right, before we get out of here, you got

1480
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: a good chance there to to puff up Espinoza, and

1481
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: you you know you didn't do it, right.

1482
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 1: I know, I asked him about Dravonte, what are you

1483
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna do? That's just who I am, endlessly's self sabotaging.

1484
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: All right, So we do have Bellotzwortz to night again

1485
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: at the Mohegan Sun. By the way, I've never been

1486
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: to the Mohegan Son. Is it nice?

1487
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? I love the Molligan so so so there

1488
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: there's the Fox Would Resort down the road about twenty minutes.

1489
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: That's the bigger one. That's the one that many times

1490
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: has had the largest casino in the world. But I've

1491
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 2: always been more of a Mohegan Sun fan. You know.

1492
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's very very welcome.

1493
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: What's the what's the Vegas equivalent? If like, if I

1494
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: don't know if Foxwoods is the what's the luxury tower

1495
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 1: at the Venetian I forget.

1496
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, Foxwood is nice. They're not super elite Vegas nice.

1497
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: They're they're they're East Coast. No, like it's like maybe

1498
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: they're like a uh a less glitzy Aria.

1499
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh, it's okay. As long as it's not ex caliber

1500
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: then I'm fine.

1501
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they're not they're not CD. You want

1502
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: to go CD, go cover a boxing fight at a

1503
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: casino in like the middle of upstate New York or something,

1504
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 2: you'll find CD.

1505
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Well, have you been to the MGM and

1506
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: here outside of DC and in Oxen Hill?

1507
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: I have not.

1508
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: The National Heart is really nice. Actually, the National har Re.

1509
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: I know it's Oxen Hill, Maryland. I used to live there.

1510
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: Fucking j J correcting me on my neighborhood. Fuck you, Jay,

1511
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: all right, why don't you get Why don't you get

1512
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: a louder air conditioner? Jay? Is that a jet engine

1513
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: behind you or a fucking nineteen forties refrigerant? All right?

1514
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: Main event for Bellatore tonight. Ricky Bendeja has taken on

1515
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: Sergio Pettis. Bendejas is the guy that gave the come

1516
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: up and to the SBG sort of. People call him

1517
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: the Connor clone. But anyway, did it here north there?

1518
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Pettis has had an interesting run. He actually has a

1519
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: win over Joeb Yeah, yes, I like JAMESO. But he

1520
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: had one fight in Belatore against Alfred Kashkai in just

1521
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: a guy with that a Wikipedia entry. His last win

1522
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC was against Tyson Nam. He kind of

1523
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: fell short against the better ones in that division, the

1524
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: guys like Henry Shudo and Formiga and font Bendejas is

1525
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: good and talented, and Pettis has as a tendency to

1526
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,520
Speaker 1: let fights go longer than they should. But I suspect

1527
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: he'll win here, and I did like the move for

1528
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: Pettis still only sitting at twenty six years old to

1529
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: go to Bellator.

1530
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he could become a star there.

1531
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, you know, whether you're talking

1532
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 2: bandam white, featherweight beltur, you know, world class and stocked

1533
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: in terms of those. I mean we're seeing a giant

1534
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: Grand Prix breakout recently. For a reason in that I

1535
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 2: like this fight a lot, because if Pettis has a

1536
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: offish night or isn't as tuned in, ban Dejas can

1537
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: come in there and finish you. He's coming off of

1538
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 2: two early knockout wins, you know, following those two losses

1539
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: after the Gallaher When this is really good matchmaking, I

1540
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: think it's the right fight. I think you should favor

1541
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: Sergio Pettis. He's got much better experience and technique I think.

1542
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: But Bandejas is a live body. I like it. I

1543
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: talked to Big John McCarthy on the podcast this week.

1544
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 2: He got to be all kinds of fired up for it.

1545
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: Luke a right, very good. Jason Jackson taking on Jordan

1546
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: Me and the Canadian should be an interesting fight. He's

1547
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: fighting in a lightweight, which is because I think most

1548
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: of his career has been not mistaken, has largely been

1549
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: at welter. I want to make sure that's true. Yeah,

1550
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: mostly it's been a Walter wehight. So he's going to

1551
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: be dropping down a way class, which is kind of interesting.

1552
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: But the other one that really matters he or Taiwan

1553
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: Claxton take it on JJ Wilson. Taiwan Claxton sort of

1554
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: a standout wrestler, But the bigger one BC is the

1555
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: return of Aaron Pico. He's taken on a donk by

1556
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: the name of Solo Hatley couldn't tell you much about him.

1557
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a particularly distinguished record, but

1558
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a scrub, but he's just really.

1559
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: Not on things.

1560
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: Well, here's my view on this. I've seen a lot

1561
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: of people be like, oh, he should be fighting someone

1562
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: better at this point. No, he shouldn't. First of all,

1563
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: he's five and three. His last fight was in January,

1564
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: which wasn't forever ago. But he is still very much

1565
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: in need of experience. All of the fights that he

1566
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: has had BC, they should have been at LFA or

1567
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, regional fucking drive in theater. This thing like,

1568
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: it's true that Bellatore is better than UFC in the

1569
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: sense that they can take somebody who's zero and zero

1570
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: and give them an appropriate level of experience, and they're

1571
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: doing that with Dylan Danis. Everyone wants to rush him,

1572
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: but I feel like they're doing that actually just right.

1573
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: But they went a little bit too fast with this guy,

1574
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: and he was so much hype on him, and I

1575
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: know he beat Leandre Ego and that was like, oh

1576
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: my god, it's amazing. But he clearly is just not

1577
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: quite ready for the next level, which means he won't

1578
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: be ready. Ever, it's just take your time with this guy.

1579
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: He's young, he's talented, he's with Brandon Gibson and the

1580
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: guys at Jackson Wink. He should win this. What I'm

1581
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: looking for him is patience, execution, calmness, strategy. That's I

1582
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: think the key for me tonight. PC. What about you?

1583
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I talked to him a couple of months ago

1584
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 2: in the midst of the quarantine, and I really liked

1585
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: what I heard. You know, the move to Jackson Wink

1586
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: moved everything down there, is embracing the culture. He's got

1587
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: horses on the ranch there. I mean, he's he's living

1588
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: the life, and he's saying Luke for the first time.

1589
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: He's not just reacting physically. He's not just thinking, Okay,

1590
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm I'm a better boxer, wrestler, an

1591
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: athlete than all these people. So I'm just gonna come

1592
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: in and flash that. He's listening to his coaches and

1593
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: understanding why they're implementing a certain game plan and why

1594
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: it makes sense. So, you know, this has been the

1595
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 2: best thing he's needed. This humbling, it seems, obviously, wasn't

1596
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: ideal for a guy that Brett Okmodo once said on

1597
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 2: ESPN is the you know, most hype, the brightest prospect

1598
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: in m A history, And I think he was right

1599
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: at that point, given the uh, the you know, the

1600
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: amateur you know accreditations that uh well, how about that

1601
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: word that uh he has had. But look, he's got

1602
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: to go wrestling first, Luke, you know what I mean.

1603
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: He can finish you, especially after using the shoot as

1604
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 2: a as a threat, but he's got to go wrestling

1605
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 2: first and build off of that. He's got to play

1606
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 2: it safer. He's got a bet better defense. Even in

1607
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 2: that knockout win in January, I thought he got hit

1608
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: a little too much. Hopefully he can get there. In

1609
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: terms of his opponent, Solo Hatley, he's eight and two

1610
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: and Big John McCarthy did tell me he's going to

1611
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: have a massive speed advantage over Pico. In fact, he's

1612
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: got ward class, elite level speed, although he obviously doesn't

1613
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: have the experience, and he's certainly the right opponent at

1614
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 2: the right time for Pico. It's going to be an

1615
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: interesting fight to see where he's at. It's more about

1616
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 2: not making mistakes, I think, you know, than anything else,

1617
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 2: in utilizing all the strength that he brings to the table,

1618
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: but it's Reality TV every single time Aaron Pico fights

1619
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: from here on out.

1620
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: And obviously it would be at featherweight and from the

1621
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: prelim card. Nothing really of note. They did just announce

1622
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: before the show. Chandler and Benson Henderson is official for

1623
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: two forty three August seventh, also at mohegan Son Matt

1624
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: Mitrione against Timothy Johnson. For those who are interested in

1625
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: the Curtis Millandert and taken on Sabah Ho MASSI. I

1626
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: think we covered just about everything BC. What do we

1627
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: miss today?

1628
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, we touched briefly on Brother Nazim's passing. You know,

1629
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: obviously that's a big hit to the boxing game in

1630
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: a legend, and I loved the run he had as

1631
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins is almost like wise Yoda during that run,

1632
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: you know where Bernard in those late forties was winning

1633
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: the light heavyweight title. And I had so many great

1634
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: one on one talks with Brother Nazem, like in the

1635
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: gym and Philly and stuff like that. Guy just lived

1636
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: it and has such a funny way of looking at

1637
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 2: the sport.

1638
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1639
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: He told me after I remever forget in Montreal, deep

1640
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: in the locker room after Bernard Hopkins had beat John

1641
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: Pascal in their rematch and set the rec is the

1642
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 2: oldest champion of boxing history. I'm like Nazim, like, you're

1643
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: not a guy that wants to see people get hurt.

1644
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: You know how much longer can Bernard do this? And

1645
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: he looked at me and he's like, man, until I

1646
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: can look at the top ten and and not see

1647
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: six guys Bernard can be I'm never telling him to

1648
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,759
Speaker 2: leave and walk away. And he just had a quirky

1649
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: way about him. And he was a smart guy obviously

1650
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 2: and did a lot of things with big name fighters.

1651
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: So tough to see. Thank you, brother, Nazim make career

1652
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: in this sport of lifer. Loved it.

1653
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, if you ever watch any for me

1654
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: as a guy who missed a lot of years in boxing,

1655
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: dude to like MMA coverage. I still recall. Like one

1656
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: thing that stands out to me about him is, yes,

1657
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: he was good in interviews, but his corner advice between

1658
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: rounds was always so clear and so obvious, and when

1659
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: his fighters were in trouble, he did not pull punches either,

1660
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: so to speak right, like you need to show me

1661
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: something or this is going to be the end of it,

1662
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: or you know, he just you just had a certain

1663
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: like at ease with boxing about when to push, when

1664
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: to pull, when to you know, break, when to gas,

1665
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: and of sort of what it all meant. Brilliant, brilliant guy, phillyone,

1666
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: you know, from the day he was born until obviously

1667
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: today and real tragedy for the game. But you know,

1668
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: a life well lived in many respects, I think is

1669
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: an important thing here.

1670
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,480
Speaker 2: Remember Luke, you know, changing subjects quickly. Remember mid quarantine,

1671
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 2: we were like, man, there's no fights. But if everybody

1672
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 2: comes back at the same time in the second half

1673
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: of the year and loads up these schedules, it's gonna

1674
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: be a wild final six months to the year. We

1675
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: kind of have that potential. Between the showtime boxing announcement

1676
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: and obviously PBC is gonna come back on Fox, top

1677
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,879
Speaker 2: rank reloading for some big cards, the zones back bellatour UFC.

1678
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: This could be a great time to be to be

1679
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: subscribed to the Morning Combat podcast. We're gonna have to do,

1680
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, more than one episode on the regular, I

1681
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 2: would I would have to assume.

1682
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: Probably, Although you did get one thing wrong in the

1683
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: Espinoza interview. It was true that when the fight was

1684
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: first announced that the Zone was not covering tonight's fight.

1685
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: They are tonight, they actually are, but you know, you know,

1686
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: we'll see hell on that last Did.

1687
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 2: You know that interesting? I did not hear that.

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Speaker 1: That is very interesting. Last minute, last minute changed yesterday

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01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: the Zone sad they were going to air it.

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01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: So shout out to days In on that one.

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, days In, old Howard Johnson.

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you want to update the people at what

1693
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: they should expect in the their future, because tomorrow I'm

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01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: forty two years old. I'm out of vacation.

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01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: Brother, all right, that's right. Happy birthday. What are you

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01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: doing for your birthday, you old piece of shit?

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 2: My wife bought me a peloton. By the way, you're

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01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 2: a little nervous about my lack of fitness or mental

1699
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: positive mental health, so uh.

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01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: Get on the bike, you fat fuck. Happy birth I may.

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01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: Have to broadcast this show from the bike a few

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 2: days a week. Moving forward. Yeah, so I'm gonna be

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: getting in shape a little. I know. I'm like, I'm

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01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 2: gonna be on a lake house. We're gonna have a

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: good time. You know, BC's gonna get fat, drink a

1706
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: lot of beer. Look at the sunsets. What are you

1707
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna do? You're gonna put on a show next week.

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01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: So what we'll do is there will definitely be a

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: There'll definitely be a dissected from the weekend. We're toying

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01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: with ideas if folks would like to see like a

1711
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: Monday kind of live chat show where they just get

1712
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: to ask questions in real time, and then I'll just

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: go for like an hour and sort of cover all

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: of the weekend stories. That way, I can do that

1715
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: if they have another idea and folks like, oh, why

1716
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: can't we just have something like Chuck on Now? We

1717
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: love Chuck, but this setup requires a certain amount of

1718
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: technology that we have to ship out to people, and

1719
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: there's just no way to do that right now with him.

1720
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: So it can only be me or BC. And if

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01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: BC can't be here, then it can only be me

1722
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So if you've got any ideas, we're

1723
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: kind of open Luke Thomas news at gmail dot com.

1724
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: About a minimum email and say, you know what about

1725
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: Jay the rector, the producer.

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't I can't hear him because of

1727
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: the stealth bomber that's fucking flying right next to his ear.

1728
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Cherry, Jay, you were only coming through in waves. Your

1729
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: lips move, but I can't hear what you say. I know.

1730
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: It's like, Jay, why is your podcast studio at Cape

1731
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: Carnaverral where NASA is launching fucking SpaceX shit into orbit?

1732
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? I had no idea what

1733
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: you were doing that for. That makes no sense, say.

1734
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: All I know is if I come back next week

1735
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: and the damn Schmo replaced me, you know we're have problems.

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01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 3: All right.

1737
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll say this though. People ask me, like what

1738
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: your favorite holiday is, or you know, your favorite day

1739
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: of the year, And when you're a kid, it's usually

1740
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: either Christmas or your birthday or something. Right, But now

1741
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: that I'm a dad, I got to tell you Father's

1742
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Day is better than my birthday because now that I'm

1743
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: over the hell and over forty like you, I'll be

1744
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: forty one in just a couple of weeks. People are

1745
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: always like, your old ass, bitch, aren't your balls dragging

1746
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: on the ground your old ass home? And then on

1747
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: Father's Day, everyone's like, wow, you know, Luke, uh, here's there,

1748
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: cheers to you for being such a great dad, Like

1749
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: everyone's all happy apparently about my contributions, whereas I get

1750
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: nothing but insulted on my birthday. I think Father's Day

1751
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: better than birthdays. BC.

1752
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty incredible. Mother's Day in my house

1753
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 2: is a monster.

1754
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: Just ris. We can't hear you.

1755
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: It becomes a month, it comes a months later, just me,

1756
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,879
Speaker 2: or we can't hear It's more like, let's.

1757
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Just all right, well I can't.

1758
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm a massive I can't be c thank you, thank you.

1759
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: We frozen? What is what the hell's happening?

1760
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to wait in side movie? BC?

1761
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: I cannot what is what is happening?

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01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: BC? I cannot hear you. I cannot hear you. All right,

1763
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. I cannot hear you. So

1764
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here. We have to go

1765
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: out here anyway, have another job. That's the sort of

1766
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: way this thing goes all right for By the way,

1767
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: of course, give us a thumbs up on the video.

1768
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Subscribe to the channel as always. We are available and

1769
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: social media as well. Morning Combat on Insta, Morning Combat

1770
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: on YouTube. We'll be back Monday with some kind of coverage.

1771
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: Let us know what you guys want to see in

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01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: the comment section below, or of course you can email

1773
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: me as well. For BC, I'm Luke. Thanks to Steven

1774
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Espinosa as well. Until next time, they're all of your gains.

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: Be loyal,