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Speaker 1: I want to thank every Amazon employee and every Amazon

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Speaker 1: customer because you guys paid progress. You guys paid problems.

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Speaker 1: This is megaical an investigative podcast exposing some of the

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Speaker 1: world's most unethical corporations. This series is about Amazon. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jake Hanrahan, journalists and documentary filmmaker. Mega Corp is produced

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Speaker 1: by H eleven for cool Zone Media. Picture this. You're

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Speaker 1: a freelance Amazon delivery driver what's known as an Amazon

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Speaker 1: Flex driver. You deliver packages, You do your best, you

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Speaker 1: make your realms. It can be a fairly low paying job,

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Speaker 1: but if you get decent tips from the customers you

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Speaker 1: deliver to, you'll be able to make do. Probably you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get rich doing this, but every little helps.

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Speaker 1: Secretly though, imagine this in the background. The company you

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Speaker 1: work for, Amazon, which is owned by the world's richest man,

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Speaker 1: is literally stealing money from your tips that weren't enough

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Speaker 1: to make you furious. I don't know what is Believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, though this is not a hypothetical situation.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly what happened at Amazon. For two and

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Speaker 1: a half years. Amazon was effectively stealing money from the

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Speaker 1: tips of Amazon Flex drivers when they got caught. Amazon

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Speaker 1: was fined sixty one point seven million dollars by America's

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Speaker 1: Federal Trade Commission or the FTC in one somehow, though,

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Speaker 1: get this, they got richer of the back of that.

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Speaker 1: Now you're probably thinking, how the fuck. Well, let's get

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Speaker 1: into it. So the fine I just mentioned is actually

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Speaker 1: roughly the amount Amazon stole from its Flex drivers. According

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Speaker 1: to journalists Will a remus of one zero. That's sixty

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Speaker 1: one point seven million dollars roughly taken from drivers. What's more,

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Speaker 1: in the hours after the FTC fine announcements came out,

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Speaker 1: Amazon's stock prices rose by one to two percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, they rose. This added around twenty billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to the company's market value, As Will Arima says in

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Speaker 1: his one zero article, Corporate crime Pays. So anyway, how

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Speaker 1: did this scam work? Well, basically, Amazon Flex drivers work

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Speaker 1: for a guaranteed minimum hourly rate. Anything they make on

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Speaker 1: top via tips was supposed to be there's extra money.

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Speaker 1: Amazon told them that they would be able to one

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Speaker 1: of the tips. Likewise, with the customers, they were told

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Speaker 1: if they tipped their driver, all of it would go

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Speaker 1: to the driver. What happened, though, is that Amazon was

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Speaker 1: effectively building a pyramid scheme, using the money from tips

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Speaker 1: to pay the minimum hourly rate of the drivers at times,

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Speaker 1: and then secretly deducting the tips before they got them.

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Speaker 1: This is completely criminal. If you or me did something

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Speaker 1: like this, we'd probably go to prison. But Amazon seems

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Speaker 1: to be above the law. Journalist Joanna Brien first broke

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Speaker 1: this story for The l A. Times. She wrote, quote

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Speaker 1: Amazon at times deeps into the tips earned by contracted

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Speaker 1: delivery drivers to cover their promised to pay. A Times

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Speaker 1: review of emails and receipts reveals Amazon guarantees third party

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Speaker 1: drivers for its Flex program a minimum of eighteen dollars

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Speaker 1: to twenty five dollars per hour, but the entirety of

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Speaker 1: that payment doesn't always come from the company. If Amazon's

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Speaker 1: contribution doesn't reach the guaranteed wage, the e commerce giant

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Speaker 1: makes up the difference with the tips from customers. According

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Speaker 1: to documentation shared by five drivers. In emails to drivers,

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Speaker 1: Amazon acknowledges it can use any supplemental earnings to meet

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Speaker 1: Amazon insists that the drivers received the entirety of their tips,

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Speaker 1: but they declined to answer questions about whether it uses

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Speaker 1: An Amazon spokesperson named Amanda I wrote the following in

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Speaker 1: partners still earn eighteen dollars per hour, including one of tips,

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Speaker 1: end quote. Well, as we know, it seems like the

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Speaker 1: FTC disagrees with that. Now. Amazon conveniently doesn't actually provide

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Speaker 1: showing them their full payout. So the way some cunning

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Speaker 1: One driver, for example, tipped himself fifteen dollars and ninety

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Speaker 1: The California Labor Codes Provision three five one, which targets

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Speaker 1: claiming they are actually treated as employees. Amazon would not

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Speaker 1: say whether it dips into drivers tips in California. End quote. Now,

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Speaker 1: really accept what was levied at them, but they paid

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Speaker 1: the fire anyway. Here's what the FTC had to say

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Speaker 1: about it in a press release from one quote. According

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Speaker 1: Amazon Logistics. The company regularly advertised that drivers participating in

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Speaker 1: The ads, along with the numerous other documents provided to

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Speaker 1: customers tips to drivers as it had promised to do,

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Speaker 1: Amazon used the money itself. Our action today returns to

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Speaker 1: drivers the tens of millions of dollars in tips that

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Speaker 1: Amazon misappropriated, and requires Amazon to get drivers permission before

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Speaker 1: changing its treatment of tips in the future. Pend quote.

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Speaker 1: To get an idea of what it's like working as

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Speaker 1: and he has several other grievances with Amazon's Flex driver program.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what he had to say. They have not

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Speaker 1: exactly been fair. They've not been treating you guys right.

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Speaker 1: The biggest issue is Amazon will dispatch stuff late or

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Speaker 1: And when it comes right down to it, every time

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Speaker 1: and then punish the drivers for it. There's no middleman.

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Speaker 1: You can try and appeal it, but the only time

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Speaker 1: their escalations department because all of their support is offshore

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Speaker 1: now and people don't understand or they just don't care.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get emails like, oh, well, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to investigate this issue. It's like, I understand that

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Speaker 1: but where is the fairness in this? So, for example,

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Speaker 1: And now it's late, and now I'm being blamed for

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Speaker 1: It's like I never even left your store, right, So

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Speaker 1: they are essentially not paying you correctly for things that

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Speaker 1: you haven't done correct and then they will you know,

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Speaker 1: they call it deactivating you. They will deactivate you for

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Speaker 1: the customer was on cooperative. They call it deactivating. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? They don't gonna work with you again? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you get all of your stuff through an application.

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Speaker 1: It's called Amazon Flex, and if they decide that they

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Speaker 1: such a reason, and happy trails. So, as Bob just

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Speaker 1: stealing scandal at Amazon Flex. Drivers. Amazon, we're taking tips

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Speaker 1: I've listened to this so like Amazon will. Most recently

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Speaker 1: So basically, what Bob is saying here is that there

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Speaker 1: will be taking a look back over everything we've learned

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Speaker 1: in this series. Megacorp is made by my production company

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Speaker 1: H eleven for Cool Zone Media, Written, researched and produced

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