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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed we do, of course, another jam packed, busy day.

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Speaker 2: There is reporting indicating Trump is leaning towards strikes in Iran,

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Speaker 2: SOO break down all of that for you.

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Speaker 4: We also have some.

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Speaker 2: Interesting economic moves being made by Trump via executive order,

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Speaker 2: including trying to cap interest rates on credit cards, something

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Speaker 2: that he talked about on the campaign trail, so we'll

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Speaker 2: dig into that and what is going on there. A

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Speaker 2: bombshell report from the Wall Street Journal about all of

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Speaker 2: the right wing influencers who are getting paid by a

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Speaker 2: of that pretty important to know who is getting paid

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Speaker 2: by what country when they are telling you, making claims

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Speaker 2: and pushing this administration on various issues. We also have

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Speaker 2: some significant twenty twenty six news, both in terms of

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Speaker 2: party identification for Democrats is going up. This was one

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Speaker 2: administration when Republicans overtook them. We also have a important

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Speaker 2: Senate candidate entering the race in Alaska that actually gives

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Speaker 4: Dig into some of that.

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Speaker 2: Also, we're taking a look at Matts Dollar highlighting how

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Speaker 2: gambling is now the second fastest growing part of the economy.

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Speaker 2: So it's basically like AI data centers and gambling polymarket

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Speaker 2: integrated fully into the Golden globes, all sorts of dystopian

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Speaker 2: a monumental I would say. A guest on the show today,

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Speaker 2: yam Zvera Fakas, former Finance minister of Green actually hosts

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Speaker 2: his own podcast now called The Econoclast.

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Speaker 4: Is that what it is? I'm pretty sure that's right.

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Speaker 4: I'll total check my notes.

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Speaker 2: In any case, he is going to weigh in both

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Speaker 2: on what Venezuela means in terms of global geopolitics, were

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Speaker 2: and then also wanted to talk to him about AI Socer.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the most deep faked person people

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Speaker 1: I had no idea if you told me that, and

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Speaker 4: Are so good, he said.

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Speaker 2: It took him two minutes of watching this fake version

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Speaker 4: Of what is to come.

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Speaker 2: And of course the you know, big tech company is

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Speaker 2: not exactly responsive when he reached out to them and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: what the hell.

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Speaker 3: Is going terrifying if you think I mean, you and

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Speaker 3: I have spoken on camera almost every day for what

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: If somebody showed me they're like, this is a clip

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Speaker 2: No, if you showed me a clip of me from

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Speaker 2: The way he figured it out was he has two

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Speaker 3: That is terrifying crazy, that is absolutely terrifying. We need

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Speaker 3: just a national ban on likenesses period. I know that

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Speaker 2: At the very least, it has to be really clearly

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, just after we recorded this, there was actually

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Speaker 3: a new announcement from the President. Let's put it up

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Speaker 3: there on the screen and I'm going to read from it.

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Speaker 3: He says, Irani and patriots keep protesting. Take over your institutions.

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Speaker 3: Save the names of the killers and the abusers. They

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Speaker 3: with the Iranian officials until the sensus killing of protester stops.

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Speaker 3: Help is on its way, Mega President Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 3: So crystal massively important to the discussion of which everyone

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Speaker 3: the killing of protesters. Mega help is on its way.

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Speaker 3: We're about to kick to ourselves. Talking about reporting about

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Speaker 1: Looks all the more likely.

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Speaker 2: What happened to the donro doctor, and I thought we

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Speaker 3: We'd be shocked to learn as I pointed out that

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Speaker 3: that is actually what happens. So anything else you want

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Speaker 2: No, just seeing bear this in mind as we as

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Speaker 4: So I guess we know what direction we're headed in.

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Speaker 3: Turning now to Iran. Some very fast moving parts. Everybody

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Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 3: leans towards authorizing fresh military strikes on Iran. They talk

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Speaker 3: at these disloyal people. The Wall Street Journal already owned

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Speaker 5: Strikes off the table in Iran. And if you believe

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Speaker 5: the commander in chief. Diplomacy is always the first option

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Speaker 3: No one knows that better than Iran. You know this,

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Speaker 3: and just in the context because I know you guys

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Speaker 3: and that midnight hammer, the operation to bomb Iran just

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Speaker 3: that it could potentially lead to more escalation from Israel

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Speaker 3: what's happening right now? Some six months odd later Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: No, you will not be able to have true self

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Speaker 2: situation is incredibly dire. The regime there is incredibly repressive,

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Speaker 3: So, yes, we may bomb Iran and have some sort

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Speaker 4: They've been convinced.

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Speaker 2: Trump has been convinced that these protests mean that the

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Speaker 3: That is literally what it is. I've said it before.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the current plan that Graham and all of

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Speaker 3: them are selling, is what they sold in Iraq, is

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Speaker 3: that we will easily be able to depose. We will

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Speaker 3: be great as liberators. I mean, that's basically the pitch

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Speaker 3: we have. Lindsey here basically laying out this case A four.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: I pray and hope that twenty twenty six will be

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Speaker 6: the year that we make a run great again. I

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Speaker 6: want a military invasion of Iran. I don't want any

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Speaker 6: boots on the ground. But President Trump has chosen wisely

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Speaker 6: to be with the protesters.

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Speaker 1: He's the first.

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Speaker 6: President since nineteen seventy nine to pick the people over

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Speaker 6: the ayahtola. President Trump says, if you continue to kill

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Speaker 6: your people, all hale will break out, all hale to pay.

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Speaker 6: That's as strong as when Reagan said, mister Gorbertchov, tear

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Speaker 6: down this wall.

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Speaker 1: So you could see there.

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Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan first from nineteen seventy nine, make you ron

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Speaker 3: great again. All of this is an effort to pump

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Speaker 3: up his ego and like this is really, this is

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Speaker 3: really what it's about. And that's why that wall streets

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Speaker 3: are story By the way, immediately, you know, the vance

461
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Speaker 3: team has to come out and be like, this is

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Speaker 3: not true all of that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it was designed for. Like more

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Speaker 1: than I thought about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this has been designed to actually box

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Speaker 3: out opponents and to make it so that you can

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Speaker 3: more difficult internally. And you know, oh, then you have

468
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Speaker 3: to suck up maybe to the boss, to prove that

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Speaker 3: you're truly loyal to him. Look at what happened to

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Speaker 3: Tulsi Gabbard. Do you want to be Tulsi who D

471
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Speaker 3: and I stood for? Do not invite to the Veneuela.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's humiliating. I mean, by the way, she

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Speaker 3: should resign, Like, if that's actually true, you have been

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Speaker 3: openly defenstrated on the national stage. Yeah, you were in

475
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Speaker 3: on the beach, you know, doing a yoga pose when

476
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Speaker 3: the US military was taking out Maduro. They don't respect you,

477
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Speaker 3: they don't care about your views. Yeah, you have to

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Speaker 3: do something.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she has to resign. Also, if she had

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Speaker 2: a shred of integrity. I mean, just imagine like selling

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Speaker 2: your entire soul just to be have d and I

482
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Speaker 2: standford do not envis is what the most humiliating thing.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, you know about the shaping of

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Speaker 2: the information space space and all of them manipulating of Trump.

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Speaker 2: Mark Levin been posting very hard. Here's something that he

486
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Speaker 2: said last night. He said, I am convinced the President

487
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Speaker 2: will act decisively and strongly and militarily as he has

488
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Speaker 2: threatened for days, because he knows what we all know.

489
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Speaker 2: That is, if that regime survives, it will be the

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Speaker 2: greatest missed opportunity against terrorism.

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Speaker 4: And in avowed terror state.

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Speaker 2: Ever, diplomacy and negotiations are ridiculous words in the context

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Speaker 2: of what's happening in Iran and what's happening to those

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Speaker 2: brave people.

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Speaker 4: And to me, the most important line in.

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Speaker 2: All of that is where Levin says Trump will act

497
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Speaker 2: as he has threatened for days, because he wants to

498
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Speaker 2: underscore that if you walk away from this, then you

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Speaker 2: look like you're weak. Right, You've committed to this, You're

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Speaker 2: committed to the intersection. There's no backing out now. You

501
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Speaker 2: know you've got to go or else you're going to

502
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Speaker 2: look weak. And that is the thing that Trump hates

503
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Speaker 2: the most, any appearance of fragility, any appearance of weakness.

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Speaker 2: And so since he has laid down this red line

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Speaker 2: about the treatment of the protesters, and clearly there are

506
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Speaker 2: some protesters who are getting guilled here, this is forcing

507
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Speaker 2: them him into corners that you got to act now.

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Speaker 4: You said you were going to act.

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Speaker 2: You have to act now in order to put action

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Speaker 2: with your words and not be one of these weak

511
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Speaker 2: presidents like Barack Obama who says things and then allows

512
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Speaker 2: people to walk all over you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they've said over and over again. And

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Speaker 3: this is exactly what happened with Venezuela. One of the

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Speaker 3: reasons why I mean, let's all take a step back

516
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Speaker 3: here and not forget the deal that we have right

517
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Speaker 3: now with Venezuela was offered on the table by Maduro.

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Speaker 3: The reason why we had to go and kidnap Maduro

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Speaker 3: is because the administration set a red line in the

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Speaker 3: sand and said we can never have Maduro. And it

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Speaker 3: was completely arbitrary. It was set by the administration. Same

522
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Speaker 3: thing here is you get manipulated, and I'm not manipulated. Look,

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Speaker 3: Trump is the president right, Like he came in and

524
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Speaker 3: he said, I don't want you know, the regime needs

525
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Speaker 3: to fall, or shouldn't shoot any protesters or whatever. They'll

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Speaker 3: show him some number, who knows the accuracy of said number.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny people who have been killed.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, look at the CIA, like, do they really

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Speaker 3: have a good idea of the number of people who

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Speaker 3: are getting killed in Iran?

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Speaker 1: Like be serious?

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Speaker 3: Look at their entire past history and their ability to

533
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Speaker 3: judge events truly on the ground, Like it's not good.

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Speaker 3: And you could present, you know, with medium confidence something

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Speaker 3: Secretary of State Rubio, who's advocated multiple times for a

536
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Speaker 3: regime change in Iran, Lindsay Graham and others say, you

537
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Speaker 3: said that you were going to do this.

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Speaker 1: That's the easiest way to play into it.

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Speaker 3: And the next thing, you know, look at our amazing

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Speaker 3: United States military, mister President, they can easily accomplish this,

541
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Speaker 3: this and this, and then you never know. And this

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Speaker 3: is the exact problem of events like Midnight Hammer and

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Speaker 3: of the Venezuela operation. It convinces you that you are

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Speaker 3: capable of doing something which was highly targeted and had

545
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Speaker 3: very small in a narrow, defined mission set and then

546
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Speaker 3: open up some massive can of worms and then you

547
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Speaker 3: own it, you know completely. You may even look fine,

548
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Speaker 3: remember Libya. Libya looked fine for like six months and

549
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Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know, it's not so bad. Chris

550
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Speaker 3: what was his name? The I'm totally blanking our ambassador

551
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Speaker 3: who was killed, you know, and then all of a

552
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Speaker 3: sudden nine to eleven Benghazi.

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Speaker 1: And all you're like, whoa like al Qaeda?

554
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Speaker 3: And then three years later ices is in charge of

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Speaker 3: the entire city Benghazi.

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Speaker 2: Literally, yeah, can we guys pull E six if it's possible,

557
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Speaker 2: because I do think this is relevant to what you

558
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Speaker 2: were talking about about the info that is being shared about.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump believes the things that he wants to believe,

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Speaker 2: and so you had Polymarket tweet this out, yes, where

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Speaker 2: they said breaking Iranian regime security forces have lost nearly

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Speaker 2: all control of Iran's capital city, second largest city, and

563
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Speaker 2: fifth largest city. Okay, that is not true, Like there

564
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Speaker 2: is no indicator. Yes, there's an Internet black it's hard

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Speaker 2: to know. There is no indication that that is accurate whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: But I mean John Junior is on the board of Polymarket,

567
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Speaker 2: like they're closely tied to the Trump administration. It would

568
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Speaker 2: not surprise me at all if this is the sort

569
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Speaker 2: of stuff that he's being shown, that he is being fed,

570
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Speaker 2: and that he is believing or at least, you know,

571
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Speaker 2: thinking that there's some truth to and giving you know,

572
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Speaker 2: giving comfort to this idea that the regime is already crumbling.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is like push with your

574
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Speaker 2: pinky and the whole thing is going to come falling down,

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Speaker 2: and then it's going to be you know, you're going

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Speaker 2: to be a hero again and mission accomplished. The other

577
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Speaker 2: thing is I was listening to Glenn yesterday on with

578
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Speaker 2: Aaron Bassani over at a Novara medio, and he was

579
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Speaker 2: making a point about Trump's psychology where it really seems

580
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Speaker 2: like he takes like personal pride in these operations like

581
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Speaker 2: it was him.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: He pointed to the fact that when he was doing

584
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Speaker 2: his like congratulations speech to net Nyahu, he called net

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Speaker 2: Nyahu a war hero. Now, of course, I mean he's

586
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Speaker 2: a war criminal, but usually that's reserved for people who

587
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Speaker 2: actually like bravely fought and did a thing in the

588
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Speaker 2: battle space. But he sees himself in that same way

589
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Speaker 2: that if you know, you have a special forces operation

590
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Speaker 2: that's successful, or a bombing campaign successful, that that success

591
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Speaker 2: redounds to him and contributes to his own like sense

592
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Speaker 2: of vitality and strength and projection of strength. And so

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Speaker 2: I do think that that is part of the calculus here.

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Speaker 2: Is it just feels good to him? Yeah, when he

595
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Speaker 2: can say go and without any checks from Congress, with

596
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Speaker 2: having to consult anyone, not having to deliberate with literally anyone,

597
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Speaker 2: including his own vice president, he can just say go

598
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Speaker 2: and this major world shaking event will occur. That plays

599
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Speaker 2: right into his psychology, which is why he's always very

600
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Speaker 2: you know, it's very easy to manipulate him in the

601
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Speaker 2: direction of these bombing campaigns. That's why he's bombed what

602
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Speaker 2: seven countries at this point, because it's very enticing to him,

603
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Speaker 2: and he can be persuaded.

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Speaker 4: He wants to be persuaded.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's yeah, I mean, I don't

606
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Speaker 3: think that that's deniable in terms of his own impact.

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Speaker 3: He also looks pre I mean, remember he would always

608
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Speaker 3: mention post Venezuela, the Jimmy Carter operation, like he sees

609
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Speaker 3: the decline of Carter's presidency as I'm forgetting the exactly

610
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Speaker 3: Eagle something where all of the Special operators were killed

611
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Speaker 3: and the mission to try and go to save the

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Speaker 3: American hostages at the Iranian embassy.

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Speaker 1: So like this is somebody who this is a media creature.

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Speaker 3: He knows what play as well, right, and like of

615
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: course Midnight Hammer and the Venezuela operation are I mean, look,

616
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Speaker 3: it'll probably be a movie, right, Like zero Darc thirty

617
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: obviously lived on for years and the whole bin Laden Ray.

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Speaker 3: There are people who are still making millions of dollars

619
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Speaker 3: off of the Loden raid for there's a reason for that,

620
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Speaker 3: because of the mythos and you know, the special operations

621
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Speaker 3: of what you're talking about, and he wants to play

622
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Speaker 3: into that. But that of course ignores the infamy of Iraq.

623
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Speaker 3: And the only lesson they seem to have taken away

624
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Speaker 3: is that explicit regime change or nation building itself is bad,

625
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Speaker 3: not the military operation by itself. But that is why

626
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Libya is such an important example of you can still

627
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: try to thread the needle and fail. You know, I

628
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: was very gratified recently Tommy Veeder and the Podza people

629
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Speaker 3: who actually were literally behind them came out and they're

630
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Speaker 3: like it was a disaster.

631
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Speaker 1: We were totally wrong.

632
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Speaker 3: I was like, thank you, finally, you know, somebody needs

633
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: to say it and acknowledge how bad of a situation

634
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Speaker 3: that was. And that requires also the difficulty. And I'm

635
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: watching Dave Smith recently was criticizing you know, he was like,

636
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: come on, you know, after back in Israel, like, we're

637
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Speaker 3: really all going to just be up in arms over

638
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Iran supposed, you know, killing civilians. He's like, it's a

639
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: ridiculous pretext of intervention. And people immediately are like, you're

640
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: defending the Iranian regime. It's like, why are we so

641
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: reductive when it comes to that, and just say, it's

642
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: not about the regime, it's about us what and by

643
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Speaker 3: the way, if you do care about them, it probably

644
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: won't work out for them. There's no history to say, yeah,

645
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: it's going to work out to their benefit. There's nothing

646
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: that you can point to and say that this will

647
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: be explicitly better for the people who are there on

648
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: the ground if you do care about them. And then

649
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: if you care about us and our own proven track record,

650
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Speaker 3: I mean, what would your hit it rate be if

651
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: you just simply bet against US intervention over the course

652
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Speaker 3: of a five year period, and they're trying to judge

653
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Speaker 3: everything based on three or four months. Just because Venezuela

654
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Speaker 3: hasn't exploded, it doesn't mean it won't. It probably will,

655
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Speaker 3: I would bet on it will. There's no chance that

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Speaker 3: this is going to work, certainly.

657
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea that we're just going to use our

658
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Speaker 2: military leverage in order to control an entire country, very

659
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Speaker 2: complicated country, with a lot of ideological factions and a

660
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Speaker 2: lot of armed gorillas is I think seems pretty fantastical.

661
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Speaker 2: You know, the idea we're just gonna the Venezuelans are

662
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Speaker 2: just going to accept us coming in and plundering their

663
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Speaker 2: resources and they're going to have nothing to say about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for a nationalist, he certainly doesn't seem to

665
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Speaker 2: understand nationalism at all that it can be a very

666
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Speaker 2: strong animating force.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, nationalism is really the core reason why these

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Speaker 2: various imperial projects and colonial projects from the past were

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Speaker 2: shelved in favor of a different model of exerting control

671
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Speaker 2: and influence around the globe. So you know, already you've

672
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Speaker 2: got reports that some of these you know, Maduro aligned

673
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Speaker 2: or regime aligned gorilla forces are going out with guns

674
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Speaker 2: and demanding to see people's phones and you know, doing

675
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: god knows what to them if they find that they

676
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Speaker 2: were celebrating at all the kidnapping operation of Maduro and

677
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Speaker 2: the attacks on Venezuela. So you already see this possibility

678
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Speaker 2: for destabilization, So you know, to declare mission accomplish, I mean,

679
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Speaker 2: I don't know how people didn't learn that lesson from

680
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Speaker 2: history that it's incredibly premature, and so in any case,

681
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Speaker 2: you know, I do think that the Venezuela operation really

682
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Speaker 2: gave Trump this unearned confidence that he could just play

683
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Speaker 2: god in any country that he wants, which is why

684
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: you see these, you know, increasing threats against Iron. You've

685
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Speaker 2: got the Greenland situation, Colombia, Mexico, like just one country

686
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Speaker 2: after another that is coming under threat because he really

687
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Speaker 2: feels like he can just, you know, with the snap

688
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Speaker 2: of his fingers, totally remake the global map and make

689
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Speaker 2: everybody pay attention to him and fear him and do

690
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Speaker 2: his bidding.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think that is unfortunately accurate. Okay, let's get

692
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Speaker 3: to econ. Turning now to the economy, some major moves

693
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Speaker 3: by the Trump administration maybe too a little too late,

694
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Speaker 3: but potentially trying to swing things before the midterms. Has

695
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Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen, hopefully one of

696
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Speaker 3: the more significant things. Senator Elizabeth Warren saying yesterday that

697
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Speaker 3: this quote. This morning, I gave a speech noting how

698
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is driving up costs for families, et cetera,

699
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Speaker 3: et cetera. After my speech, the President called me and

700
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Speaker 3: I delivered the same message on affordability to him directly.

701
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Speaker 3: I told him Congress can pass legislation to cap credit

702
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Speaker 3: card rates if he will actually fight for it. I

703
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Speaker 3: also urged him to get House Republicans who pass a

704
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Speaker 3: bipartisan Act on Housing which passed the Senate with unanims support,

705
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Speaker 3: which would build more housing and lower costs, no more delays.

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Speaker 3: It is time to deliver REEF relief for American families.

707
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Speaker 3: And so this has been kind of a dizzying thing.

708
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Speaker 3: Which has been happening behind the scenes is a spate

709
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Speaker 3: of executive orders and truths from the Trump administration which

710
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Speaker 3: are supporting a lot of these affordability measures which we've

711
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Speaker 3: long been supportive of here on the show, so for example,

712
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Speaker 3: capping credit card interest rates. Actually, today he endorsed the

713
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Speaker 3: Credit Card Competition Act, which by the way, would personally

714
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Speaker 3: decimate me because it nukes the entire points industry.

715
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Speaker 1: That's fine.

716
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Speaker 3: I still support it, you know, because I understand it's

717
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Speaker 3: usersts and it's bad. But this from my friends in

718
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Speaker 3: the Senate, they tell me the banks have never lobbied

719
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Speaker 3: harder against any single piece of legislation since Dodd Frank

720
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Speaker 3: is that the Credit Card Competition Act, which effectively not

721
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Speaker 3: only caps interest rates but removes a lot of the

722
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Speaker 3: points infrastructure and swipe fees, which obviously just print billions

723
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Speaker 3: and billions and billions of dollars for them, is the

724
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Speaker 3: one piece of legislation that they have targeted specifically because

725
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Speaker 3: they I mean, look at twenty nine thirty forty percent interests. Now,

726
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Speaker 3: in some cases you don't have to be a genius

727
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Speaker 3: at math to see how much money you can print

728
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Speaker 3: off of all of these people who are desperate and

729
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Speaker 3: who are in debt. This is exactly the type of

730
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Speaker 3: stuff originally which you know, there were some promises and

731
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Speaker 3: some vision. You know, let's say, in terms of economic governance,

732
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Speaker 3: let's say of the country. As things have gotten away

733
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Speaker 3: from them over a year, you had the housing Blackrock order,

734
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Speaker 3: then you had the Defense contractor order.

735
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Speaker 1: Now you have the credit card and look.

736
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Speaker 3: Who knows all right, because you actually have to do

737
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Speaker 3: something in the Senate to get something like this pass, yeah,

738
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Speaker 3: for it to really go through.

739
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Speaker 1: But calling Warrent hey good.

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Speaker 3: There was another one about data centers actually that just

741
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Speaker 3: came out. He says, I have never want Americans to

742
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Speaker 3: pay higher electricity bills because the data centers. Therefore, my

743
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 3: administration is working with technology companies to secure their commitment

744
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Speaker 3: to the American people.

745
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Speaker 1: We will have much to announce.

746
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Speaker 3: Microsoft, who my team has been working with, will make

747
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Speaker 3: major changes beginning this week to ensure Americans don't pick

748
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Speaker 3: up the tab for their power consumption in the form

749
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Speaker 3: of paying higher utility bills. This is as major Wall

750
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Speaker 3: Street journal piece out just this morning about the spiking

751
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Speaker 3: costs of utility. All of this is devil's in the details, right, Like,

752
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: so don't give flowers or props or anything before any

753
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Speaker 3: of it happens. But I think this is a recognition

754
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Speaker 3: of the growing problem that they had on affordability, especially

755
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Speaker 3: poststar On, and they're like, Okay, we actually have to

756
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Speaker 3: try and to do something about this.

757
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Speaker 1: The bigger question will.

758
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Speaker 3: Be, as we all know, MAGA and Congress are slaves

759
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Speaker 3: to the White House.

760
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Speaker 1: There are the Duma.

761
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Speaker 3: Well, treat them like it and force them to pass

762
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: something which is actually counter to their interest. So that

763
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Speaker 3: is why, you know, look, I think it's good. It's

764
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Speaker 3: in generally it's good. And in some cases the executive

765
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Speaker 3: I mean, as we saw under Biden and previously and

766
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Speaker 3: with this administration, you can use executive power for a

767
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: lot of shit, as FDR proved to all of us recently.

768
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Speaker 3: They had this thing with mortgages. Can we put that

769
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Speaker 3: one up there? This is B two where the Trump

770
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Speaker 3: administration is going to buy some two hundred billion in

771
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Speaker 3: bonds to try to lower the mortgage rates, which actually

772
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Speaker 3: worked fell below six percent for the first time in years.

773
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Speaker 3: This is exactly the type of stuff where if you

774
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Speaker 3: want higher number on economics, if you follow through and

775
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: it actually, as you know, shows up with people's of

776
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: personal finances in November, could make an impact. I personally

777
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: think it might be a little bit too late, just

778
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Speaker 3: because of the entire first year of the administration doge, Medicaid,

779
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Speaker 3: all this other stuff, and you try to do this

780
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Speaker 3: at the end, but if you've done anything like this

781
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Speaker 3: in day one, I mean, man, you could be seventy

782
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Speaker 3: percent approval rating. Yeah, if you wanted to.

783
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Speaker 2: Be if you if you let out of the gate,

784
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Speaker 2: I mean, you signed a whole slew of executive orders

785
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: to begin with, but you know a lot of those

786
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: were more fulfilling the culture war desires of the right

787
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Speaker 2: and then giving the store away to tech billionaires. I mean,

788
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: that was the thrust of a lot of the early

789
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Speaker 2: executive orders you started with. This instead, when there's a

790
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Speaker 2: lot of attention being paid to the media about like, Okay,

791
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Speaker 2: what is this administration going to be and where are

792
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Speaker 2: they going to put their weight, I think you would

793
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: have a very different perception from the American people about

794
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Speaker 2: what their priorities are. And even if look, you know,

795
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Speaker 2: I'm skeptical that any of these just if they do

796
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Speaker 2: executive orders and aren't able to like really pass through Congress,

797
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Speaker 2: which the last Congress, like last year was like the

798
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Speaker 2: least productive year ever for Congress in history or something

799
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Speaker 2: like that, they don't have a lot of attention to

800
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Speaker 2: detail in terms of actually making legislative pushes. So you know,

801
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Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that any of these are going to

802
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Speaker 2: have significant impacts, but.

803
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Speaker 4: It matters a lot.

804
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Speaker 2: It would have mattered in the beginning a lot to

805
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: send that message of like, this is what we're focusing on,

806
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Speaker 2: this is what we're prioritizing.

807
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: You and I both noted.

808
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: Also, many of these issues are like directly out of

809
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: go back and look at the many segments and focuses

810
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: on the show, which is also this.

811
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Speaker 3: White House is very often super ch as we all know, yes,

812
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Speaker 3: and let's say I often you know, I don't use

813
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: Twitter all that much anymore, but when I do, I

814
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Speaker 3: try to for a purpose.

815
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Speaker 1: And all of these issues I have been beating the drum.

816
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Speaker 3: Because I'm like, do something about it. I know you're

817
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: all following, Yeah, you are looking at the discourse. So look,

818
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: I'm skeptical will it actually happen? You know, there's been

819
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: all this criticism I have of the AI moratorium and

820
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: giving their dough. But can you imagine a world where

821
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: this was February of twenty twenty five.

822
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Speaker 1: That's a different reality, right, real Doge.

823
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: And Doge coming in with the chainsaw destroying social security,

824
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: like running around like maniacs, you know, all of that.

825
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: Instead you do this. And the other piece is that

826
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Speaker 2: they you know. So there's two things. I mean, number one,

827
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Speaker 2: it does smell of desperation. There's just no doubt about it.

828
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Speaker 2: Where they're looking at the numbers, they're looking at the

829
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: results of the twenty twenty five elections, they're like, holy shit,

830
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Speaker 2: we've got a problem, Like we have to do a

831
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, and we have to do it now.

832
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, at the end of last year,

833
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: there had been promises from Trump and other administration officials

834
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Speaker 2: like you wait and see, We're going to do all

835
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff on affordability, even as Trump was calling

836
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: it a Democrat con job. But in any case, like

837
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: it appears that they got that political message of like

838
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Speaker 2: we are in big trouble if we don't do something,

839
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: but they're also really sort of stepping on and bearing

840
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Speaker 2: their own message here because this stuff is not getting

841
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: talked about. I mean, even this is the sort of

842
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: stuff that in another in another week or in another era,

843
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 2: you and I would have done like a whole show

844
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: on each of these individual issues. But we got to

845
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: cover a run, We got to cover Venezuela, we got

846
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: to cover Renee Good getting killed in Minneapolis. You know,

847
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just so many and then you know,

848
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: are we going into Greenland? Are we what are we

849
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: doing with Columbia all of these other things that are

850
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: understandably going to dominate news coverage and really block out

851
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Speaker 2: even the messaging value of these things, which is primarily

852
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Speaker 2: what I think, you know, the value of them ultimately

853
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: will be. I will say, you know, in terms of

854
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: like the impact that they will have, probably the most

855
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: positive impact that they will have is shifting the Overton

856
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Speaker 2: window because it'll be very hard for you know, if

857
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: there's a future democratic administration, be very hard for Republicans,

858
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: not that they won't do it, they certainly will, but

859
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Speaker 2: to cry socialism when they're like, no, we're actually codifying

860
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: the sort of things that Trump floated. So do you

861
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: oppose maganaw? Do you oppose Trump? Because this is like,

862
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, some extension of his playbook. So I do

863
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Speaker 2: think it shifts the public debate in a way that

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Speaker 2: over time could be productive and beneficial.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, Again, no one says not most of this

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Speaker 1: probably won't happen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there are deeply as I just said, if you

868
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Speaker 3: were to bet on the banks or on Trump, who

869
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Speaker 3: would you usually bet on to prevail in the United

870
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Speaker 3: States Senate? Where are we really going to get sixty

871
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Speaker 3: odd votes to cap credit card interest rates. Probably not,

872
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Speaker 3: But as you just said, there is an Overton window

873
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: where you can shift where literally the leader or the

874
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: Republican Party is saying we need to cap users credit

875
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: card interest rates. You can use that sometime in the future,

876
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: and you can use it in the way that a

877
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 3: lot of people currently do in these intra maga fights

878
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: where they say stuff like, so are you saying you

879
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 3: oppose President Trump?

880
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: Right?

881
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: And same thing on private equity buying single family homes.

882
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: Now we have the credit card stuff, we have the

883
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: defense contractor. I mean, it's effectively nationalizing the defense contractor

884
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: industry to come in and say you can only pay

885
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: certain amount of Listen, I'm all for it, right, good,

886
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: I agree, Yes, state is literally the only force that

887
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: can regulate all of this chaos and insanity currently happening

888
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: in our private capital markets. I would just say we

889
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: would do it to a lot more other sectors, including

890
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: the technology sector or the financial sector.

891
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Right.

892
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: But I mean, the messaging problem that you're highlighting is

893
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: also the fundamental issue with the administration is I do

894
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 3: think waiting a year they let everything. First of all,

895
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: no Democrat, even if this help is going to give

896
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: you credit. Now at this point, you're in Biden territory period,

897
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: Like in the way that in the way the Republicans

898
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: truly hated Biden.

899
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: That's how the Dems feel.

900
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: No matter what you could, you could give them all

901
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 3: the five thousand dollars tecks, I still.

902
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: Think they wouldn't do anything for you, you know at this point.

903
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: Seriously, and the news value, as you just said, I

904
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: mean every story you just listed is actually more important

905
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: because you and like, well that has a more reality

906
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: of actually happening. These are potential Overton window. It's like,

907
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of robbed yourself of that ability.

908
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: And then finally, as we learned under Biden, because they

909
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 3: did some similar desperate measures when they were under water,

910
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: it didn't work. You know, by November, even when inflation

911
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: was like kind of ticking down a little bit.

912
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: Nope.

913
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: The first year was really what's stuck in everybody's life.

914
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: This is a cancer always on presidents. You really only

915
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: have like three or four months to really do something,

916
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: and Doge defined everything, I would say, truly, you know,

917
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: like the Honeymoon, to the extent that it even existed.

918
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Liberation Day, people were like I'm done get I really,

919
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: I really believe.

920
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: That well, and I think you're right about that.

921
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: I think the tariffs are the most economically disastrous just

922
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: from a political perspective move that. I mean, it's hard

923
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: to think of something that immediately turned because Trump's whole

924
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: brand was being good on the economy that flipped on

925
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: a dime after Liberation Day. And I don't think that.

926
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Speaker 2: I don't think he will recover from that. I don't

927
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: think that the brand will recover from that ultimately. And

928
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: so you know, it's also like what we said with Biden,

929
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: you've got a reality problem, like some messaging, executive orders

930
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: or whatever that people feel like, Okay, sure are not

931
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: going to help you pay the bills at the end

932
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: of the month if you don't see real and concrete

933
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: action and a sustained focus. We can put you know,

934
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: just a few indications of that reality problem up on

935
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Speaker 2: the screen. Here, let's put B three up on the screen.

936
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: I thought this was pretty significant, just to understand the

937
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: trend and the dynamic. I think a lot of this

938
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Speaker 2: has to do with AI. So US workers just received

939
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: fifty three point eight percent of GDP in the third quarter.

940
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: This is from an account called HEDG markets. By the way,

941
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: that I'm reading from the lowest share since the government

942
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: started tracking this in nineteen forty seven. That's down from

943
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: fifty four point six the quarter before, and well below

944
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: the fifty five point six percent average from the twenty twenties.

945
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Speaker 2: At the same time, corporate profit margins are hitting some

946
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: of their strongest levels in decades. So again continuation of

947
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: a trend in which, you know, any sort of productivity

948
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: gains that are coming into play from AI, like American

949
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: workers are not benefiting from that. It's just corporate profit

950
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: margins which are expanding. And so you know, people can

951
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: see the way the economy has become so incredibly slanted.

952
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: Let's put the next piece up on the screen, which

953
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: again goes to this same exact issue. You have a

954
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: massive youth under employment issue. Let me go ahead and

955
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: get the specific numbers here. So you've got youth unemployment

956
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: on pace to reach a ten year high. Over fifteen

957
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: percent of sixteen to twenty four year olds are unemployed.

958
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Speaker 2: And I saw another stat that some I think it's

959
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: forty three percent of college grads are under employed, meaning

960
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: you graduate and you're not working in you know, the

961
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Speaker 2: field that you studied, you're not fully you know, you're

962
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: not working full time. You are under employed based on

963
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: your education and based on full time working hours. That

964
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: is an absolute crisis. So and again, you know, AI

965
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: plays into a good piece of this, and then I

966
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 2: can put this last piece up on the screen.

967
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: Listen.

968
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: Never good sign when gold is smashing new records. You know,

969
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: the markets did not crash yesterday after the whole fight

970
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: with Jerome Powell and the criminal accusations against him in

971
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: the way that frankly I would have anticipated. I think

972
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: in part because they saw the statements from Tom Tillison

973
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: later in the day, Lisa Murkowski saying like, we're not

974
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: gonna be down for what the president wants to do

975
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: you here. But in any case, we've had gold prices,

976
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: which is the ultimate you know, flight to safety, even

977
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: above and beyond at this point US treasures, which people

978
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: are increasingly nervous about, gold smashing new record at forty

979
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. So we did get inflation numbers this

980
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 2: morning that were fairly good. They came in a little

981
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: bit lower than inspect expected. So you know, I do

982
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: want to do want to put that out there, but

983
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: in terms of how people are feeling about their job prospects,

984
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: their future, where things are going.

985
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 4: It is very, very bad.

986
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: And so you know, I think the administration sees that

987
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: they're trying to do something. But to your point, I mean,

988
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: you said too little, too late, and I think.

989
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: That probably, yeah, you need a whole of government approach

990
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: from the beginning that's concerned and it's serious. I mean,

991
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: that's the major problem. And they and they're also schizophrenic.

992
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, well, you know, right now, the S

993
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: and P is up on the year, right, it's up

994
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: by two one point four percent or whatever since January.

995
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well, as I've said a million times,

996
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 3: the SMP was up like sixty percent if you look

997
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: for all bidens.

998
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: So what who cares? I mean nothing.

999
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: Just like with foreign policy, he wants those mission accomplish moments. Yeah,

1000
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: on economics as well. And that's just not the way

1001
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: that this works. You remember he had previously said in

1002
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: his besset, and everybody was running around talking about, Oh,

1003
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: everybody's going to get this two thousand dollars dividend from

1004
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: the tariffs, blah blah blah. Trump got asked about it

1005
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: recently and was like, I don't know what you're talking about,

1006
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: because like I don't remember saying that. It's like, I mean,

1007
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, the like the attention span of a goldfish.

1008
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: So will he have the stick to itness to like

1009
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: work with Elizabeth Warren and do some bipartisan thing.

1010
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: To actually cap credit card interest rates?

1011
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: Like maybe I don't know, maybe or maybe they just

1012
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: take it and run with it and it's something that

1013
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't really have to put his hands on and

1014
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: it makes its way through.

1015
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, long.

1016
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: Term thinking and sticking to you know, really paying attention

1017
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: to the details is not really the thing that he's

1018
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: been about in the past yet.

1019
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, you'd be fair to criticize.

1020
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: I hope to see it, I do, you know, at

1021
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: the very least, you know, who knows, get some writer

1022
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: and a bill, get a couple of votes. Who knows

1023
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: which way twenty twenty six will go in the Senate. Right,

1024
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about that just here in a second.

1025
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, could happen.

1026
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: It's definitely could happen. All right, let's get to influencers.

1027
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a wild story. A lot of

1028
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: this has been reported out before, but the first of all,

1029
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 2: it's a Wall Street Journal, so you know, just frstinate

1030
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 2: a premature of such a prestige brand matters. And also

1031
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: it puts together a lot of pieces. Let's go and

1032
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: put this tear sheet up on the screen. And I

1033
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: do want to give them their flowers for reporting this out,

1034
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: because I think this is incredibly important, as people who

1035
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: care a lot about the media, care a lot about

1036
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: the integrity of the media and that whole landscape. This

1037
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: is an absolute cancer. Wall Street Journal, says Washington's new lobbyist,

1038
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: paid online influencers with few rules. They go on to

1039
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: detail a variety of right wing influencers who are taking

1040
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: money from a variety of interest some of them just

1041
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: directly from foreign governments, in order to push either the

1042
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: corporate or that government's line. And so let me read

1043
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: you the opening, the opening sort of graphs here to

1044
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: give you the anecdote.

1045
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 4: They start with.

1046
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 2: Last summer, Donald Trump's twenty eight year old former campaign aide,

1047
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Alex Brucewitz, had some new advice for the president. Reclassify

1048
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: marijuana as less dangerous drug Sager. Nearly seventy percent of

1049
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: Republican voters support Trump on this no brainer, He said

1050
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: to more than six hundred and forty thousand followers on

1051
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: x What bruce Witz left out of that post a

1052
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: political action committee funded by legal marijuana's biggest players, had

1053
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: just paid him three hundred thousand dollars. Goes on to

1054
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: say Trump's return of the White Houses transformed the federal

1055
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: government and up ended the business of lobbying, creating a

1056
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: new class of Washington operatives that blur the lines between consulting,

1057
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: advocacy and journalism. So, you know, on the first Trump administration,

1058
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: the understanding was basically, if you wanted to get the

1059
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: message to the president, you go on Boss News.

1060
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1061
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: That's if you can't.

1062
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: Get like directly in face to face, and sometimes if

1063
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: you can get directly face to face that he would

1064
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: listen more attentively to things he saw in televised format

1065
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: than in a direct meeting.

1066
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: There's still some truths and there is still truth to that.

1067
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, with I think more so, and you can you

1068
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: can tell me if this is your impression as well,

1069
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 2: with the people who are in the Trump administration, who

1070
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: are so incredibly online that they are very susceptible to

1071
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: messaging from a variety of influencers and seeing like what

1072
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: goes viral on X and then when they see that,

1073
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: they take that and run with it and put it

1074
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: to the product. Hey, look, this is really super popular,

1075
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: let's do it. So there is a whole industry that

1076
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: has sprung up around paying these influencers, and they do

1077
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: not disclose where the money comes from. I mean, I

1078
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: have an issue with the money to start with, but

1079
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: then it's not in it, like, there is no indication

1080
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: that this is a paid advertisement, that this content is

1081
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: anything other than this creator's own brilliant, independent ideas. And

1082
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: it's incredibly, incredibly corrosive. It's dystopian, and there has to

1083
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: be at some point I know it's not gonna happen

1084
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: under this events. There has to be a crackdown on this.

1085
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: There already is a law like FARA, It exists, you

1086
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: have to register. It's just that nobody complies with the law.

1087
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Speaker 3: And we have a screenshot of some of these, we

1088
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: can go through them. Let's put them up here on

1089
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: the screen just to show you. Here, they highlighted one

1090
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: Rob Smith, a veteran gay pro Trump commentator Instagram, a

1091
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: photo beaming next to Serena Williams quote tbh, I had

1092
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: zero clue Doha was such a cultural hub, he wrote

1093
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: in the caption, Yeah, Doha, it's.

1094
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: Not a culture after they paid him to go on

1095
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: this very glamorous trip and be wined and dined.

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00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Doha is so amazing.

1097
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's amazing.

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00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask the ask some of the laborers there how

1099
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: much of a cultural hub it is for them.

1100
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one, shall we? Here they say?

1101
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 3: Sinclair, who is twenty nine, received sixty seven five hundred

1102
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 3: dollars from the MAHA Pack to host videos about issues

1103
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: of interest with the RFK junior organizations financial disclosures quote,

1104
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: creators have the attention right now in twenty twenty six,

1105
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: I believe attention is going to be the currency of power.

1106
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one, shall we. Influencer Deborah

1107
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: Lee launched to internet fame after a video.

1108
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing.

1109
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 7: I know.

1110
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm old. I literally don't even know who these people are.

1111
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: She is at various times acted as advisor to government officials,

1112
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: including Mike Johnson, questioning administration officials at the White House briefing,

1113
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: and been paid to promote everything from the solar industry

1114
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: to the prediction market cals She's a frequent Fox News

1115
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: commentator and has appeared there as a brand voice for

1116
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: Parlor social media site.

1117
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: I believe this is the lady who said she has

1118
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: so many different of these deals that is just hard

1119
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: for her to even keep up with them, hard for

1120
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: her to even keep track of all of the special

1121
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: interests that are paying her for her opinion.

1122
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong business man. All right, let's go

1123
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: to the next one, shall we.

1124
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: After billionaire Jared Isaacson saw the administration blew up, he

1125
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 3: hosted independent MAGA commentators like Benny Johnson and Nick Sorter

1126
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: at his court private and Montana hangar, where he keeps

1127
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: a fleet of fighter jets, and while his allies pushed

1128
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: for MG nominated, he gave them rides in the jet

1129
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: and a tour of his private Star Wars themed canteena

1130
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: bar that overlooks the planes. Quote it was one of

1131
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: the best days of my life, the influencer said in

1132
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: a video he posted online, and then others then advocated

1133
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: for his renomination. This one is a little bit more

1134
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: of just you know, classic whining and dining. Although who

1135
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: knows if money did change hands, but this is exactly

1136
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: what you're saying like, if you have normal social media

1137
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 3: influencers which are out there right now, you generally because

1138
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: the FTC after they crackdown under the Biden administration, they

1139
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: have to put the hashtag AD whenever they're promoting a product.

1140
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: I do think that there should be the same standard,

1141
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: even just ethics.

1142
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean, as people know it.

1143
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's embarrassing, but if I know somebody who were covering,

1144
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 3: I just say it because it would be ten times

1145
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: worse if later on you would know the appearance of

1146
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: like trying to neutrally analyze somebody and then there's a

1147
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: photo or something that came out. You have to just

1148
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: be upfront about it, be like, yeah, I listen, disclosure

1149
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: know this person right right known for X on one ears. Again,

1150
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: it's embarrassing sometimes sometimes it's not a great look or whatever.

1151
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: But sometimes you know, I go to a dinner or whatever,

1152
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: like you meet this person and you're just like, look,

1153
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 3: you know again, I know this person is. And it's

1154
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: not usually to your benefit necessarily, but in the long run,

1155
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 3: you have to be able to let people make.

1156
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Up their minds for yourself and couch your analysis.

1157
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: If you do know someone personally and that's just like

1158
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: knowing someone this is being paid and I don't know,

1159
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: but I mean the danger of what I have come

1160
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: to this general conclusion as of recently is the public

1161
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: actually doesn't care. And that is deeply disconcerting because I

1162
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: actually believed for a long time, not only just disclosure,

1163
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: but in general, trying to be nuanced or you know,

1164
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: independent or like free thinking or any of that would

1165
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: be rewarded both by the marketplace and in the long run.

1166
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: But look at the most popular people today and the

1167
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: people making generational wealth off of you know what we

1168
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: do here, literally getting paid people who openly just like

1169
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: propaganda lying.

1170
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: Many of them are genuinely retarded, and it's like nobody

1171
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: cares if they're getting rewarded for it. And I talked

1172
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: about this, uh what was it?

1173
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: I forget which scandal which it was, and I was like,

1174
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: you know, why bother checking the facts. It's actually to

1175
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: your benefit when you don't like It's like, these people are.

1176
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: Ten times more popular, ten times.

1177
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: More more rewarded, literally ascending to the heights of power.

1178
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: Some of them don't know the word of benevolent Okay,

1179
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay.

1180
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why read a fucking book?

1181
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: And the whole country is like dancing to his right

1182
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: right now, Why I read a book?

1183
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: I'm serious, Like, at this point, what is even the

1184
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: point in this this like endeavor when it is very clear,

1185
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to cover an NFL story someone

1186
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: hopefully I'm thursday to this regard where everyone's praising this

1187
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: lady for going to a press conference and just being like, oh, coach,

1188
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: you're so amazing, and the public is on this lady's side,

1189
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: and the journalists who are like, hey, you're supposed to

1190
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: ask a question are apparently the villains. I never thought

1191
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: I'd be defending a bunch of establishment journalists or something,

1192
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: but I'm like, this is where the country's headed.

1193
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: Well, people don't care.

1194
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: What I would say is that you know, we do

1195
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: just fine here.

1196
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, we are in a good living right and

1197
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: we get to sleep at night. Yeah, so you know,

1198
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1199
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: And you do see some of these, like, you know,

1200
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: the people who would just go it all in on,

1201
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 2: like the partisan propaganda, which in order to get these

1202
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: deals and make sure you're still on the good side

1203
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: of the Trump administration, you cannot deviate from them.

1204
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 4: You've got to be you.

1205
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: Know, on on message one hundred percent of the time,

1206
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: and it does have a shelf life, right, We've seen

1207
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: people flame out before. I also point to Kyle was

1208
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: telling me about this yesterday. You know, Bill Burr had

1209
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 2: really built this brand around like credibility and his willingness

1210
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: to call out powerful forces and whatever. When he took

1211
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: that Saudi money, he has had a massive falloff. Really,

1212
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: so for months apparently his comment section is filled with

1213
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: people who are just still disgusted with him. Really, his

1214
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: views have completely tanked, and it's you know, I mean,

1215
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: how when's the last time we saw bil Berg clip

1216
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: in the while that we were like, oh, that's interesting,

1217
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: let's play it on the show.

1218
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. He really that really sort of nuked him.

1219
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: And I think the thing for him is that he

1220
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: really did hold himself out as having the sort of

1221
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: values that you and I try to you know, uphold here,

1222
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: and then when he did something that was so at

1223
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: odds against that in the perception of his audience, they

1224
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: were like, Okay, we don't trust you anymore. I mean,

1225
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: I guess the difference is that these people really never

1226
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: them sells down as the beacon of integrity, so and

1227
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: no one cares.

1228
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 3: When people don't even pretend and just openly are like yep,

1229
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: like this is what I do. They are dramatically rewarded

1230
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: for it, and it's like not just. And the thing is,

1231
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 3: it's one thing to be worshiped by elements of power.

1232
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: People in power always love people who are willing to

1233
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: be propagandistic.

1234
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: But what happened to the people who supposedly.

1235
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I've read a lot maybe you know

1236
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: the yellow journalism ARA is starting to make a lot

1237
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: more sense whenever I think back to it. But you know,

1238
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: there was some general expectation I thought, at least you

1239
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: know now currently because what was the why do the

1240
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: mainstream media's credibility fall apart?

1241
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: Like you know Iraq lying.

1242
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were seen as like partisan partisan outless.

1243
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: Right, you know, openly ignoring certain sets of facts which

1244
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: are inconvenient to a narrative, picking and choosing, obviously ideological

1245
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: and yet you see the worst, in my opinion, the

1246
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: worst of them be recreated and then actually become more

1247
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: popular and supposedly trusted.

1248
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1249
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the question is how long is that jobble?

1250
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: Because my personal opinion is that you know, you're in

1251
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: sort of a transitional phase.

1252
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Yes, poles are my theory too.

1253
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: You know, people are excited about the genuine promise and

1254
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: possibility of independent media in the way that we are

1255
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: as well and should be, and haven't really caught up

1256
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: with that. It can actually go even worse than mainstream

1257
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: media because at least with this legacy media, there are

1258
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: some still like journalistic norms and standards and processes in place,

1259
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: and there's some arms length distance between the host and

1260
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: the average the people who are selling the ads or whatever.

1261
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: That does not exist in independent media. It certainly doesn't

1262
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: exist in like you know, random TikTok influencers or whatever,

1263
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: and so it will take a while for people to

1264
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: catch up to that reality. But they're going to catch

1265
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: up to that reality. That is my belief. We would

1266
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: be roomors. I think there was one more slide in

1267
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: that CE two sledge Well, I just I know this

1268
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: is one that people will be definitely interested in. In September,

1269
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: newly formed firm called Bridges Partners registered as a foreign

1270
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: agent for the Government of Israel and discos plans for

1271
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: a nine hundred thousand dollars influence program dubbed Esther Project

1272
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: now Quincy Institute Responsible Stacraft. What's their blog called Responsible

1273
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: State Yeah, Responsible State Statecraft. They were the ones that

1274
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: initially broke this story. So again, this isn't brand new news.

1275
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: But I think there's.

1276
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: Something hopeful here soccer because Israel's paying big bucks to

1277
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: a whole suite of influencers. We don't know exactly who

1278
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: they are, which ones are getting their seven thousand bucks

1279
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: per post.

1280
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: Or whatever, but we know they're out there for sure.

1281
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: And is it working. No, it's not working. You know.

1282
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: Israel's look in terms of the death and destruction, they've

1283
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: been able to, you know, to continue to commit in

1284
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: Gaza and in the West Bank, and they're backing from

1285
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: the Trump administration that has been very successful. But in

1286
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: terms of public opinion, it's been a disaster. I mean,

1287
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: they've completely lost Democrats, they've lost independence, they've lost young Republicans,

1288
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: and that bleeding just continues. So in that way, it

1289
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: is sort of hopeful because you do have this very concerted,

1290
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: very sophisticated propaganda effort, paid propaganda effort coming from the

1291
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: Israeli government and people are seeing right through it. So,

1292
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, in that way, I find that that. I

1293
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: find that to be sort of encouraging that there are

1294
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: some antibodies against the story.

1295
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: You can't buy your way out of all of it,

1296
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: but apparently can buy a way a decent amount.

1297
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's right.

1298
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: If you're committing a live genocide on our feeds, you're

1299
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: probably not going to be able to seven thousand dollars

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: paid influencers.

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Speaker 3: I have never believed. That's why the Weed thing is

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Speaker 3: a perfect example. Right, It's one of those nobody's really

1303
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Speaker 3: paying attention to it. It was like kind of a

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01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: side issue. This is why you know you've had I mean,

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Speaker 3: I covered the whole weed story here, even if you

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Speaker 3: support it. Like the way that it all went down

1307
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Speaker 3: is that a literal weed CEO went to the office,

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Speaker 3: the Oval office, and convinced Trump on the spot to

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Speaker 3: do this.

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Speaker 1: Like that's literally how it happened.

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Speaker 3: Somebody who had a direct financial interest and called Mike

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Speaker 3: Johnson and he put her on speakerphone. Trump literally put

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Speaker 3: her on speakerphone and was like, why don't you explain

1314
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Speaker 3: to Mike Johnson why this is.

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Speaker 1: A good idea? That's insane?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Like that's completely insane and that's this is a

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Speaker 3: person who stood to make billions of dollars as a

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Speaker 3: result of this decision. Oh in lo and behold there

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Speaker 3: was a massive pump in the stock price as oh shocker, right,

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Speaker 3: And so this is why they pay Alex bruce Witz

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Speaker 3: in some of the like in these side areas like

1322
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Speaker 3: ma or remember the whole Laura Lumor thing with vine

1323
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Speaker 3: proissad where you know attack it was over a drug

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Speaker 3: like it was over a drug which he held up

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Speaker 3: because it was killing children. That was the reason why

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Speaker 3: it didn't get That was the reason why. No, it

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Speaker 3: was it was some rare disease drug. That's why it

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Speaker 3: was so crazy that that's what it was about. It

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Speaker 3: was one specific company who got held up, and then

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Speaker 3: Rick Santorum and Lowa Lumer and all these other people

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Speaker 3: started gettingvolve because they're looking in paid at least the

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Speaker 3: Santorm's case. Don't know about Lumor, there was some suspicion

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Speaker 3: of that. But in Santorm's case, like literally getting paid

1334
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Speaker 3: by the drug companies. That's but that's actually where it's

1335
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Speaker 3: more pernicious because that's like actual pay to play, you know,

1336
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: political influence slash lobbying and in a lot of these

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Speaker 3: like more side areas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can't buy your way out of Israel.

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Speaker 3: But all you know, in these little things which are

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Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars to a single company, three

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01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: hundred and four hundred thousand is nothing if a single

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Speaker 3: regulatory decision polymarket, Why do you think they're sponsoring all

1343
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: of these people all all of it came.

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Speaker 1: Down to the CFTC and the SEC.

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Speaker 3: Who is going to regulate a single regulatory decision worth billions?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you spend ten million?

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: You know, you could spend one hundred million if you're

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Speaker 3: going to make billions and be worth it off of

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Speaker 3: a single thing.

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Speaker 1: That's why they do it.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of things that you know are very dark

1352
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: and depressing to me, you have Dan Bongino, fresh down

1353
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: of that FBI back to his podcast career, and I am,

1354
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Speaker 2: I am actually shocked because I thought that even Maga

1355
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: the Maga Bas was like, this guy really screwed.

1356
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Speaker 4: Up and we don't trust him anymore.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Looks like they're right back, you know,

1358
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: right back to trusting him, wanting to watch his content

1359
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: whatever he now now that he's not no longer in

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Speaker 2: any sort of position of power. And now that he's

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Speaker 2: not at that FI now he's just back in his

1362
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: podcast here. Now he's going to reveal all the secrets

1363
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Speaker 2: and expose all the people and do all the things.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to C three.

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Speaker 7: When I come back. If it's going to be you know,

1366
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 7: endless complaining, then just don't watch this show. Is it's okay,

1367
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 7: Like this is a constitutional republic. If you're not obligated

1368
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 7: to listen to my show. The thing about black pillars

1369
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 7: where everything sucks all the time, Well, we're demanding accountability, great,

1370
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 7: so am I. If you're endlessly complaining about things even

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 7: don't know anything about, that's all you do. Like you'll

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Speaker 7: shut down the border ten people across somebody. Why wasn't

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Speaker 7: it zero? Okay, Well, can you just acknowledge going from

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 7: a million and ten is a big deal. There's a

1375
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 7: cost to that. You can't let this negative vibe constantly

1376
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 7: set it. That doesn't mean healthy debates about policy are

1377
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 7: not welcome. Debating policies are fine, but the black pill

1378
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 7: complaining and whining all the time at the administration of it.

1379
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Speaker 7: It's just like, man, what teamor you on. You don't

1380
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 7: have to watch. It's okay, there's a door, you know,

1381
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 7: go find the freaking exits. I don't really give a shit.

1382
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 7: I'm not here for anybody's money or anything like that.

1383
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 7: I'm too old for that shit.

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Speaker 4: Not here for anybody's money.

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Speaker 2: But then on the screen he says, it's been a

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: busy year, so much to talk about. When I returned

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Speaker 2: to the podcast live on Rumble on February second at

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Speaker 2: ten am Eastern Time. So in any case, he's you know,

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Speaker 2: now that he's back in the podcast chair, he can

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Speaker 2: do all the things that he had promised he would

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Speaker 2: do when it was at FBI, apparently, and you know,

1392
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Speaker 2: everyone can just stop complaining and taking the black pill

1393
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Speaker 2: and reminding him that he was part of the Epstein file.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of a good example of what I'm

1395
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: talking about. I mean, you have somebody here who literally

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Speaker 3: was in a position of power, did literally nothing, and

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Speaker 3: is apparently.

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Speaker 4: Going to be well rest part of a cover.

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Speaker 1: Part of the episode which he purported.

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Speaker 3: Like, imagine if I went into government after everything I've

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: said about weed and gambling, and then I was complicit

1402
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: in like legalizing weed and giving a license to and

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01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: then I came back here and I was like, by

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Speaker 3: the way it was in my phone, I mean, come on,

1405
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: like you know, like it would.

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Speaker 2: Be like responsible for making it like the US brought

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: By Calsh, I brought to you by Calshi.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, actually, FanDuel, we're gonna you know

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 3: it literally directly working behind the scenes or was part

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Speaker 3: of a meeting to like legalize sports handling in the

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Speaker 3: entire nation. And then came back and I was like, oh,

1413
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: and fuck you for black. But that's my point. It's

1414
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: like there's no price. It's so crazy just to watch

1415
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Speaker 3: in real time, you know, hopefully you know, karma and all.

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Speaker 1: That, but like I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just watched I watched the popularity and all and

1418
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: know there's no I mean, you have that whole story

1419
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: about you know, people getting paid one hundred grand a

1420
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Speaker 3: video or whatever. Nothing happens. Everybody just moves on. It's

1421
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 3: like the team sport thing. There's no standards, you know,

1422
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 3: the stuff we would rip the legacy media for literally

1423
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Speaker 3: rip them whenever they would do correctly right, whenever we

1424
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: would see somebody do a shoddy job. And then you

1425
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: do somebody just do one of the dumbest jobs in

1426
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Speaker 3: like modern political journalism, and it's like, oh, give them

1427
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Speaker 3: the Politzer Prize. It's crazy, right, Like I think this

1428
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 3: is a therapy session for me.

1429
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Speaker 1: It is. I feel like I'm going nuts.

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Speaker 3: You just see it all go, you know, fifty twenty

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Speaker 3: five million views, it's whatever, All right, let's go to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is interesting, significant potentially development. Let's put

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Speaker 2: D one up on the screen. The reason that this

1435
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Speaker 2: is worth flagging is because party identification was a major

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Speaker 2: indicator in the Biden era that Republicans were really on

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Speaker 2: the upswing. And so you can see for you know,

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: the they're in twenty twenty four, as Trump's campaigning, you

1439
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: had Republican party identification beating Democratic party identification.

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Speaker 4: That was really a new development.

1441
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Speaker 2: Now that trend has reversed and you've got Democratic party

1442
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: identification at forty eight percent. Republican party identification has fallen

1443
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: to forty percent. Significant swing year over year, you know.

1444
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: Last year, so Q four of twenty twenty four, it

1445
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Speaker 2: was that measure was R plus four. Q four of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five it was D plus eight. So that's

1447
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: a net twelve point swing towards Democrats, and kind of

1448
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: remarkable thing to happen at a time when you know

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is extremely unpopular, like reaching lows of popularity,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of that is, of course Republicans hate

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, but there's a lot of sense off

1452
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: fecklessness coming from Democratic Party leadership. But even as that

1453
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Speaker 2: brand is obviously incredibly tarnished and people are disgusted with

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Speaker 2: the way that leadership has conducted themselves, you still have

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Speaker 2: people who are feeling like okay, but I'd rather identify

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Speaker 2: with them than what I see happening in Trump's America.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, you've got the House is

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Speaker 2: almost lost already. I mean, it's such a narrow margin

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Speaker 2: at this point that Mike Johnson barely barely by the

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Speaker 2: skin of his team holds on to a majority. Looks

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Speaker 2: very much like Democrats are poised to take back the

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Speaker 2: House in the midterm elections. But the Senate always seemed

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Speaker 2: like a much bigger stretch. Now you have the Senate

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Speaker 2: also coming into play, and so that's why this development

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Speaker 2: is really significant.

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Speaker 4: Dep Up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So former Representative Mary Peltola of Alaska is jumping into

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Speaker 2: the Alaska Senate race. I do not pretend to understand

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Speaker 2: the politics of Alaska. I don't understand them at all.

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Speaker 2: But I do know Mary Peltola is popular in Alaska,

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Speaker 2: and I believe this is a congressional seat where you

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Speaker 2: actually represent the whole state because it's a relatively small population,

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Speaker 2: so you are, as a congress member representing the entire state.

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Speaker 2: We can put D four up on the screen to

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Speaker 2: show you some of the initial polling about this matchup

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Speaker 2: between Mary Peltola and Dan Sullivan, who's the incumbent. Has

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Speaker 2: it Peltola up a point, obviously within the margin of

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Speaker 2: error here. This was from back in October, so we

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Speaker 2: haven't had a new poll to update this on exactly

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Speaker 2: where things stand. But this means that this Senate seat

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Speaker 2: is actually in play. Let's go ahead and take a

1482
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: listen to D three to get a sense of how

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Speaker 2: Mary Peltola is positioning herself.

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Speaker 8: I'm Mary Peltola, and I'd like to share why I've

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Speaker 8: made the decision to run for US Senate. I grew

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Speaker 8: up on the Couscopum River salmon fishing with my father, Buzzy,

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Speaker 8: and I raised our seven kids in Alaska.

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Speaker 4: And spent long summer days at fish camp.

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Speaker 8: Life is difficult here and we know that we have

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Speaker 8: to take care of each other. DC people were shocked

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Speaker 8: that I prioritized going back to Alaska in July to

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Speaker 8: help put up fish for our family.

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Speaker 4: But Alaskans understand.

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Speaker 8: It's not just that politicians in DC don't care that

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Speaker 8: we're paying seventeen dollars a gallon for milk and rural Alaska.

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Speaker 8: They don't even believe us. They're more focused on their

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Speaker 8: stock portfolios than our bank accounts. When they actually work

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Speaker 8: together on something, it's usually to help themselves. Our delegation

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Speaker 8: used to stand up to their party and put Alaska first.

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Speaker 8: DC people will be pissed that I'm focusing on their

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 8: self dealing and sharing what I've seen firsthand. They're going

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Speaker 8: to complain that I'm proposing term limits.

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 4: But it's time. Systemic change is the only.

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Speaker 8: Way to bring down grocery costs, save our fisheries, lower

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Speaker 8: energy prices, and build new housing Alaskans can afford. No

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Speaker 8: one from the lower forty eight is coming to save us.

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Speaker 8: It's about time Alaskans teach the rest of the country

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Speaker 8: what Alaska first and really America first looks like.

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Speaker 4: Alaska first, there you go.

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Speaker 3: I actually didn't believe that they're paying seventeen dollars for

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Speaker 3: a gallon of milk.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. But like that, which he's like, who they

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01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: won't believe us? I was like, I don't believe there's

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Speaker 1: no I mean it's possible. I guess that's crazy crazy,

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: that's actually insane.

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: So anyway, the Senate math is as such, Democrats have

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: to hold on to Georgia and Michigan are the two

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: that are you know, most sort of dicey for them

1520
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: to hold on to. If they're able to do that,

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: then they have to win three more seats. The two

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01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: most obvious places are North Carolina in Maine, where they

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01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: have also a strong candidate in North Carolina, the former

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: governor Cooper, a cameraer's first name right now, Cooper, Yeah,

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 2: Roy Cooper, who seems like, you know, I mean, people

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01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: like him statewide. It's a difficult year for Republicans. Whatever

1527
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: that's once seems very much in reach. Then you have Maine,

1528
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 2: which is Susan Collins, who may she's making an announcement,

1529
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 2: it's not entirely clear she's even running for reelection. My

1530
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: personal opinion, Maine is lost for the Republicans, but I

1531
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: thought that in the past as well. I just think

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: the partisanship at this point is going to be very

1533
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: difficult to overcome. But any case, North Carolina and Maine

1534
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: are definitely both in reach for Democrats.

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01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 4: Then you need one more.

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 2: And that's where it was always like. Where else You

1537
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: got Texas, I don't know about that. You got Nebraska,

1538
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: where you've got Dan Osborne who's running as an independent

1539
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 2: but will probably caucus with Democrats, although I don't want

1540
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: to put words in his mouth. I don't know that

1541
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: he said that, but you know he would take out

1542
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: a Republican so could be that, but that's very difficult

1543
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: to accomplish. You've got Iowa, which Iowa has been hit

1544
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: very hard by the Trump teriff policy. Their economy is,

1545
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, they're very upset with a lot of economic aspects.

1546
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: There's actually the Democratic gubernatorial candidate looks like he's got

1547
01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: a really good shot.

1548
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: Is it possible.

1549
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 2: I was really pretty red at this point, So Alaska

1551
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 2: now appears to be their best hope for a third seat.

1552
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: In Ohio, I should throw in the mix as well,

1553
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: where shared Brown is running of course, and shared Brown

1554
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: is you know, the strongest candidate Democrats could possibly put

1555
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: forward again. Ohio though tough, tough state at this point,

1556
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: and he's already lost once. So in any case, you know,

1557
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: Alaska really sort of puts things more in play for

1558
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 2: Democrats to be able to take the Senate then previously.

1559
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: If Mary Peltola is able to pull that one off.

1560
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: Look, it's possible. Again.

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: I don't know she was able to. Remember, don't they

1562
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 3: still use ranked choice voting? They do, so that could

1563
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: throw you know, things in the mix. If you have

1564
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: a couple, you know who knows the narrowing of the

1565
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 3: field and all of that. So it's theoretically possible. This

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 3: is the same way that she was able to win.

1567
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: I would probably bet Ohio, Maine or you know, much

1568
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: better pickups potentially for them. But you got to remember,

1569
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: if this is twenty ten and you were there to

1570
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 3: Crystal like you or you were literally running for office,

1571
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: there were people who were winning for Republicans who had

1572
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 3: no business winning all over the country. And then two

1573
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 3: years prior to that, in two thousand and eight, in

1574
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: a Democratic wave, you know, Obama won like North Carolina,

1575
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 3: like you had won Distriana.

1576
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly.

1577
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 3: There were if I recall there was like a democratic

1578
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 3: one like some some place in Louisiana or something like,

1579
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: there were these crazy districts where you had people that

1580
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: had no business being in the House and even in

1581
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: the Senate, you know at that time. So it could happen,

1582
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, you could. Anything could happen in a crazy

1583
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 3: wave type of election. We've seen it time and time again.

1584
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: So this is why I wouldn't count out necessarily. I mean,

1585
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 3: it would be a huge coup for the Democrats to

1586
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: be able to have control of both houses. Oh yeah,

1587
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 3: I mean it would basically shut down Washington as we

1588
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 3: know it as it is right now.

1589
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: I will just say those sort of like really unexpected

1590
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: things usually happen at them, like the House level versus

1591
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: the Senate, just because there's more attention paid to the

1592
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 2: statewide Senate candidates. But if you do have a large

1593
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: Democratic wave election, you know, I think now you can

1594
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: credibly say that the Senate is in play between. So

1595
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: if you assume they hold on to what they got

1596
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: and they pick up Maine in North Carolina and they

1597
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 2: need one more, and Ohio and Alaska both are not

1598
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: preposterous to imagine. One more thing we wanted to update

1599
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: D five here. Graham Platner has a new internal poll

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 2: that he gave to Zeteo has him up fifteen points

1601
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 2: on Janet Mills, which is pretty wild.

1602
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the sign of the times, right.

1603
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: This guy, Kyle and I talked to him last week

1604
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: and he was saying, again, like, guys, remember last summer

1605
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: is when I launched it, Like no one had ever

1606
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: heard of me before last summer, and now I'm thrust

1607
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: into this spotlight and like the level of momentum and

1608
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 2: the things that are happening, he can scarcely wrap his

1609
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 2: head around. And he's up according to his poll and

1610
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: according to other poles we've seen too, by double digits

1611
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: on the sitting governor of Maine who has the backing

1612
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: of the DSCC, and Chuck Schumer and all of these

1613
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: sorts of people, which we talked to Chrismin Holland about

1614
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: him being upset about that yesterday too in the interview

1615
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: that Ryan and I did with him. So it is

1616
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 2: going to be a very very interesting year in terms

1617
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 2: of politics, and we're going to get a lot of

1618
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: indications of where things are added.

1619
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: Internal poll you never know sometimes their cope. You know,

1620
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: usually it has some methodology. Main is a hard place

1621
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: to poll. But you know tracks public the actual like

1622
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 3: private ones. Yeah, that really matter. And in general, you know,

1623
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any stuff to back up her campaign's legitimacy,

1624
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 3: like crowds or enthusiasm. There's none of the other accoutrement

1625
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 3: that would, you know, show that you're actually running a

1626
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: winning campaign from her, at least except I guess Chuck Schumer, right,

1627
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: who I wouldn't even want their endorsement if I were

1628
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:59,440
Speaker 3: running the Democratic No primary today.