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Speaker 1: On the dol cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bigtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 1: Oh hello, I guess we're doing these accents. I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, of course. My name is Caitlin Durante, Danny

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Speaker 1: and um. We are here to talk about where the

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Speaker 1: portrayal of women in film. The Bigteal Test is the

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Speaker 1: metric that we use in order to in order to

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Speaker 1: is the bigtal tests? It will It's something you usually

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Speaker 1: How long are we going to do this it's a taste. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're we're. I don't know, because there's no reason to

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Speaker 1: to break out of um. Well, so the Mecktel test there, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're back to our our regular toad speak. The Becktel

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Speaker 1: test is the metric we used to discuss it. It

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Speaker 1: is a test that requires there are two women in

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Speaker 1: Shall we demo it? I would love to, hey, Jamie, Yes,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Have you ever? Have you ever been to Australia? Might?

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's very cool. I like how you

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Speaker 1: very cool spectrum. When I passed the Bechtel test, so

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Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, So it doesn't mean that everything that

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Speaker 1: It's our time to be any damn it. Times up

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Speaker 1: men being annoying. I get to be annoying. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: well today we really we we have a banger today,

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Speaker 1: nine years old, and yet I feel like the public

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Speaker 1: opinion of this movie has changed drastically since the movie

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Speaker 1: is released. Days of Summer, Here with Us, Summer, Here

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Speaker 1: with Us to talk about the film is a friend,

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Speaker 1: a very wonderful person, a comedian. Sorry, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: She's one of the co hosts of Lady to Lady podcast,

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Speaker 1: and she's got an album out called Opinion Cave. Brandy Posey, Hello,

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Speaker 1: go nice, Hello, top of the Moon Into Yeah. If

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Speaker 1: it's great. We have alienated all of our internationals. Hello,

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Speaker 1: international listeners like, Okay, I'll just talk American over here.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. Well we here on the big okays. We

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Speaker 1: that was my attempt at a Southern accent. Uh, we're

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Speaker 1: blowing it. Hey, y'all, let's just get into it. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into the discourse. So, Brandy, what is your history,

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Speaker 1: your relationship with the movie Five Hundred Days of Summer

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Speaker 1: So that's just something I don't know, and and this

424
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: is something that I guess it's more warranted for her

425
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: than you know. There it was just like this very

426
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: popular hot take to have for a while, Like Anne

427
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: Hathaway is a bit just I hate her face and

428
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: I hate but and like it was very cool to

429
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: not like Anne Hathaway and think when Anne Hathaway literally

430
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, uh, and that's just something. I mean,

431
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: she like Zoe Dishell's peak twee white lady, and that

432
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: has its own set of issues to unpack. But I

433
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: just it does like I don't know, the the like

434
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: hot take of like Zoe Dictionel sucks and like her

435
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: and bangs and blah blah blah. I mean every I

436
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: don't know, every actor has that. Every actor has the

437
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: role I take over and over and they don't examine it.

438
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't make her better. But I just feel like

439
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: people come down on her harder. I mean, you're right,

440
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: because there are plenty of you know, actors who have

441
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: been pretty typecast who I mean, Bruce Willis plays the

442
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: same role over and over again. They all they all

443
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: play you know, archetypal character in almost every movie that

444
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: they're in. But we as a society love those guys,

445
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: and then we do come down harder on people like

446
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: Zoey Deschanel for doing the same thing those characters that

447
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: she accepts are vastly different from the arte types that

448
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: like you know, your action heroes take, but it's still

449
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: but are also not available to her right exactly. So yeah,

450
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I guess to me, it's also like whenever I see her,

451
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: she channels that in real life a lot too, on

452
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: like couch pieces and stuff like that, where she also

453
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: leans into it in person so much too that I'm

454
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: just like, just be genuine, I want to know who

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who she is and never seen that

456
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: in an interview, and if this issue who she is,

457
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: then that's that's one thing. But I don't believe that

458
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: that's true. So just like there's like a disingenuous about

459
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: all of it that kind of just like, but why

460
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Because she used to be like that.

461
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: I remember when like she was in yes Man and like,

462
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: um early like i've seen her yes man, Yeah, I've

463
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: seen her in early stuff. I remember being like, oh,

464
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: she's like she's fine, and then she just was like, oh,

465
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: this is my thing, and I'm just like always going

466
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: to have ukulele every time on one cone and and

467
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: like right that you is yeah a lot, Yeah, you girl.

468
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: I can't stand for that So that's just my just

469
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: to get because I for this episode, I'm just like,

470
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, everyone's going to go into our mentions

471
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: of like Zoe desianalz dectional. That's just there. We got

472
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: it out of the way. Now let's talk about the characters.

473
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: So I would say that one of the main things

474
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: that you do learn about her or you find out

475
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: that she cuts her hair off and loves it or

476
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: feels nothing or whatever, loves the feeling, loves the addicted

477
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: to theo. So her main thing is she married the annoyed.

478
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: So her thing is that she doesn't want to be

479
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: in a relationship. Really, she's fine with just kind of

480
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: being independent. And I appreciate that you see a depiction

481
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: of a woman in a movie who is not obsessed

482
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: with finding a boyfriend finding husband, because so many movies

483
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: would have you believe that it's all women think about

484
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: because one movie is be very heteronormative and too they

485
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: just depict most single women as just being obsessed with

486
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: finding a boyfriend or someone to marry. Um a maz she.

487
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: But then that's like another thing that's interesting about I

488
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Watching it this time, it was like, oh,

489
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: summer is way more independent and explicit about that than

490
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: I remembered. But the movie also does think, like, but

491
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: she does need a good guy. She's just like she

492
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: says that, but it's a defense mechanism and she really

493
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: does need a man. Like the movie doesn't even believe

494
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: the character that it wrote right right, Yeah, and it

495
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: demonizes that trade about her, where like she's like, yeah,

496
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't need no man, but because she doesn't want

497
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: to be with Joseph Gordon Levitt, our hero, the movie

498
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: would have you believe that she is an uppity bitch

499
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and they literally call her uppity better than everyone's super skameing. Right.

500
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: I want to see more depictions of women in movies

501
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: who are not obsessed with finding a man and that's

502
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: like their one goal throughout the whole story, but also

503
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: to not have that be demonized like it is in

504
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, for sure, what this movie needed was

505
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: like the scene it like the party at the end,

506
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: where there's like his expectations versus reality. They needed a

507
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: split screen of how they both saw every interaction that

508
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: they had, Like they never gave her an actual stay

509
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: in any at any point in the movie. Even at

510
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: that point, you're like you're like, oh, poor him, he

511
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: didn't get the thing that he wanted. Like, it's still

512
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: not like from her point of view, she's like, oh, yeah,

513
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: somebody my friend over. I think we're like cool now.

514
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: You know. It's that at no point do you understand

515
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: what is going on in her head whatsoever. And he's

516
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: such an unreliable narrator because throughout the whole movie he

517
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: is so like fraught with emotion that he is not

518
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: seeing things clearly. And I we can see that when

519
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: we watched this movie. But I wonder if, like when

520
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: this movie came out, because we're led to believe that

521
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: he's like this sensitive guy who deserves love and and

522
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: fuck her for not being in love with him back

523
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: that we're you know, meant to believe that he's this

524
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: great guy. But yeah, we don't see things from her

525
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: point of view, but we're still like supposed to empathize

526
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: with him so heavily. It's very bizarre all the toxic

527
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: traits that are passed off as sensitive man. And it's like,

528
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately bad, a bad movie for young men

529
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: to see. And this was like one of the movies

530
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: that young men were seeing and they're like, I literally

531
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: remember my high school boyfriend being like I kind of

532
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: liked Five Days of Somewhere as you know, to like

533
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: really show his hand, like I'm a sensitive boy. But

534
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: it's like the if you, you know, emulate those behaviors,

535
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: you're a bad man. This is a movie about the

536
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: worst kind of man, because he is and he feels

537
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: entitled to her. He is extremely possessive. The second he

538
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: meets her, she starts to view her as property. Something

539
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: that I again on this viewing, that I noticed is

540
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: like around a third of the time we see Zoe

541
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: additional on screen, it's not even the character, it's him

542
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: thinking about her. So we're seeing the construction of her

543
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: almost as much as we're seeing the character. And whenever

544
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: we see the actual character, it's usually an argument or

545
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it's usually she's being a bitch or like that's what

546
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: the movie would have you believe, And the times where

547
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: she's like soft and so in love with them, it's

548
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: usually stuff that doesn't even happen, yeah, or or or

549
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: at least, you know, a third of the time it's

550
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: something that doesn't even happen. Literally like constructs her body

551
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: and it's like I love this birthmark and your knees

552
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: and like this part of your hair, and like the

553
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: weird imperfection on your thing. And it's like, oh, you're

554
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: just like literally just like pulled her body apart, and

555
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, these are the five parts of you

556
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: that I would make into a soup and drink every day.

557
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Cool dude, It's like, I just want to turn you

558
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: into a broth and share. They do this to Matthew

559
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Gray goobler anyway, Sorry, that's just been like on the

560
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: tip of my tongue this whole time. I love goobs.

561
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I do not understand that reference. I love a little

562
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: bit of goog He plays one of Joseph Gordon love

563
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: It's terrible friends, the black curly hair guy or like

564
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the blondie, little Blondie. Paul, Yes, Paul, Paul, the Blondie.

565
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: I love me some goobs. Give me the goob. I

566
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: said it before, say it again, give me the goob.

567
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: But his character is insufferable. His other friend, Mackenzie's character

568
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: is insufferable, which so I want to go to that

569
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: conversation where we aren't. So they are at a bar

570
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: like a work function, singing karaoke. So it's summer, it's

571
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: Tom and it's Mackenzie sitting in a booth and Mackenzie

572
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: goes to summer. He's like, so, do you have a boyfriend?

573
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: And she's like a no, and he's like why not.

574
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: She says, because I don't want one, and he's like,

575
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: come on, I don't believe that. And she says, you

576
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: don't believe that a woman could enjoy being free and independent,

577
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: and then he responds with are you a lesbian? She said, no,

578
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a lesbian. I just don't feel comfortable being

579
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: anyone's girlfriend. I actually don't feel comfortable being anyone's anything.

580
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: And then they talk a little bit more, and later

581
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: on she says, I like being on my own. Relationships

582
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: are messy. People's feelings get hurt. Who needs to be

583
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: We're young, you might as well have some fun and

584
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: do serious stuff later. And then Mackenzie says, holy sh it,

585
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: you're a dude. You're such a dude for saying that.

586
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: And it's and that, so we can assume the movie

587
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: things that wanting to be single and not wanting to

588
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: be in a relationship is a guy thing. Yeah, it's

589
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: a guy quality. She's so cool, she's a man. Rightly,

590
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the guy's gal trove that shows

591
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: up all the time, right of, like that's something to

592
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: aspire to, like be devastatingly hot and have all these

593
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: traditionally feminine qualities but also act like a dude, but

594
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: don't look like why don't have a feeling? Don't yeah

595
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, just like be fucking cool, bef getting cool,

596
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: but also be fucking hot, be cool in the exact

597
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: way that I want you to be cool, like be

598
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: completely aloof until like I desire you and then be

599
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: so into me just like dude, right, it is it,

600
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: but she like I forgot how explicitly she states it.

601
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: But again it's like that there are those good moments

602
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: in the movie that seemed like almost like it's a mistake,

603
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: and then it's later weaponized against her as like she

604
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: is a dude and like, you know, Joseph Gordon Levitt.

605
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's also so such a slippery slope for them

606
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: to characterize Joseph Gordon Levitt's desire for a relationship as feminine,

607
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: because the way he is in a relationship is scary

608
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and weird. And got there's that scene where the scene

609
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: where they're in the elevator and he asks her like,

610
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: how our weekend was, and she's like a little dodgy,

611
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to really want to talk to him, just

612
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: like it was good. And then immediately he gets so

613
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: mad she's not good enough for me anyways, She's a

614
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: bit blah blah, she's sucking so much, and it's like,

615
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, he calls her a skank again. Yeah,

616
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, so god, there's there's a lot of Eliza

617
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: scanning me at this point on Twitter, So I don't

618
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: want to like me a friend of the She was saying,

619
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: how like there are so many moments where she's just

620
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: trying to be like early on where she's just like

621
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: a woman trying to just navigate being polite to people

622
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: in her office that he interprets as like one thing

623
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: or another where it's like the Smiths thing. To her,

624
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: she's probably like, oh, yeah, we're an elevator, let me

625
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: just say something. Oh yeah, I also like the Smiths.

626
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: And he was just like, oh, it's on yeah, And

627
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: it's like how many times are you just like in

628
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: a space with a guy and you're just like yeah, hey,

629
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean it makes small talk for a second, because

630
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: it's weird to stand in silence with you, right, And

631
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: it's just like so much of her is just trying

632
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: to exist in a space and he's interpreting it, which

633
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: is why he's such an unreliable narrator and why it's

634
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: a problem for the movie to be like, hey, look

635
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: how great this quiet is. But yeah, so she yeah,

636
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: she's just like yeah, I like the Smiths too, And

637
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: then she like exits the elevator and you see him

638
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: like visibly sploshing in his pants, being like, oh, she

639
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: loves me and I love her. God, yes, Morrisey's an assholes.

640
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: That's great. Of course you love Morrisey. Piece of ships

641
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: literally peaked Smith's fans. Absolutely, of course. I just have

642
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: such a problem with the way the movie ascribes certain

643
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: traits as being masculine and other traits as being feminine.

644
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Whereby she doesn't run a relationship, so she's a dude.

645
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: That's a guy thing, and he wants a relationship, so

646
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: that's almost like emasculating, and that's like him being feminine.

647
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: And it's just like those qualities are not like mutually

648
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: exclusive to any gender, and it's like so it subscribes

649
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: to these like very rigid gender norms It's interesting because

650
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: I feel like men and women have had very different

651
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: actions to this movie, Like, at least based on my

652
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: Twitter conversation, it's been defended vehemently by guys and like women,

653
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: I think like a lot of women like especially as

654
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: you get older and you watch it as you get older,

655
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: you're kind of just like, I know this guy. We've

656
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: we've all like known this dude, and like the way

657
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: that they're sneaky about like how what piece of ship

658
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: they are? They like hide it until they show it,

659
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: and you're just like, yeah, no, this is like something

660
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I've had to like dodge my life and had to

661
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: look out for. Like guys don't have these kind of

662
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: warning signs to be looking out for another and like

663
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: women like so I think they they're just like, well, yeah,

664
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: like it's just we're just watching two different movies. Because

665
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: women are just like, well, yeah no, this is um,

666
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: this is a to me, this is like a it's

667
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: a warning manual for what not to go after, and

668
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: men are just like, oh man, you can't have it all.

669
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people use this movie

670
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: as a manual, but from very different things. Guys are like, oh,

671
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: this is you know like they viewed Joseph Gordon Levitt.

672
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: I like you're saying it's like scorned, mistreated. They're God.

673
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: The scene where he's like, I say we're a couple,

674
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: God damn it, and you're just like no, you know

675
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: where is that where he runs down the staircase and

676
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: he's like, no, you'll go ahead, and there's two women

677
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: in the hallway and it's like you're an angry piece

678
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: of ship. And then that scene is followed with her

679
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: showing up at his door drenched from the rain and

680
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: she's like, she's like, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have gotten

681
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: mad at you. Because this all happens after he punches

682
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: a guy at a bar because he threatens his masculinity.

683
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: So there's a scene where a guy comes up tries

684
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: to hit on Summer. She's very clear about saying I'm

685
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: not interested. I'm flattered, but I have no interest. Please

686
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: go over there and leave us alone. She handled it. Yeah,

687
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: it was done, and the guys all like, really, this

688
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: guy is your boyfriend, and then Joseph Gord Lovett stands

689
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: up and punches him in the face and then gets

690
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: punched back. Yeah, and she is very mad at him.

691
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Understandably so well, and she he punches that guy because

692
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: he's not her boyfriend. He punches him because he can't

693
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: punch her. Like, to me, it's like that that whole

694
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: scene is just him being like, I'm not even the

695
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: thing that you think I am. And then fuck you,

696
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: Summer for not letting me be the thing, because it's

697
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: like he calls so earlier, could have been like, hey,

698
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: back off, dude, and then just like like there were

699
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: moments that he could have also like backed her up,

700
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: and he never backed her up. The only time that

701
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: he got mad is when like he was called a

702
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: boyfriend and he's not a boyfriend. Well, he only cares

703
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: about her as it pertains to him. The outside of that,

704
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: he has no interest in her, right, And on that note,

705
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: we're to take a quick break. Everyone just take a lap,

706
00:40:49,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: to take a lap, and we're back. Yeah. I mean,

707
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: it's so weird because it's like we're trying to have

708
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: a conversation about Summer, but we literally don't know enough

709
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: about her. We know these few tweet like next bus

710
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: facts about her hair, her parents are divorced, she loves

711
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: cutting her hair off because she feels nothing. Well, there's

712
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: a divorced narrative too. I feel like it's used to

713
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, that's why she doesn't believe in love.

714
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: It's like maybe she just doesn't right, she doesn't need that.

715
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: We see that also in The Holiday with Cameron Diaz.

716
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: His character like Cameron Diaz, like her parents got divorced

717
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: when she was fifteen, and her whole thing now is

718
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: that she cannot cry. She has not cried since she

719
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: was fifteen years old because she's so damaged from her

720
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: parents being divorced twenty years ago directly. But yeah, so

721
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: we see so, yeah, we we understand. I guess why

722
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: she's so emotionally damaged, and it's because her parents split

723
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: up when she was younger. It's a's all so crazy

724
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: because everybody has friends whose parents are divorced, if their

725
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: parents aren't worse themselves, who live perfectly fine lives, and

726
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: it's just like such like a lie that It's like,

727
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: it's really insulting. Yeah, it's lazy and insulting to make

728
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: that like a thing that we know about her. There's

729
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: a few scenes in this movie that I wanted to

730
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: just go through because I feel like they have become

731
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: like semi modern iconic in ways that are weird. The

732
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: expectations versus reality scene like as constantly cited as as

733
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: a joke at this point, but is something that comes

734
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: up all the time, and I mean, I think we

735
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: might have even covered it already, Brandy, because it's like,

736
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: we don't see that from Summer's point of view. And

737
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: that scene is very serving to the Joseph Gordon Levitt

738
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: character where it gets a lot of sympathy for him,

739
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: where he's like, he just wants a girlfriend, but he

740
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: drinking a beer at the rooftop party alone, like he's

741
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: at the rooftop party. An. There's scene that I loved

742
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: the first time I saw it was the dance scene

743
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: after he has sex with her, Yeah, which rung to

744
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: you this time sinister as like a conquering kind of thing,

745
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: right because she makes it clear. And the other the

746
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: last iconic seen I wanted to talk about the Ikea

747
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: scene where that was oh my god, when I was

748
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: a teenager, forget it. I was like, this is the

749
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: template for love. This is also something I can afford

750
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: to do. Let's all go to barback. Can you imagine?

751
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the horrible teenagers? Just the sweaty, hormonal teenagers.

752
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: The summer this movie came out just laying just spread

753
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: eagling and dry humping all over the ikea. The poor

754
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: summer of onine. Probably not a good time to be

755
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: working at ikea. But she finger on top of none.

756
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: But yes, but like she makes it clear to him

757
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: in the ikea scene, she said, you know, she kind

758
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: of establishes the boundary before they have sex, of like,

759
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: this is fun, your fun, like, don't text me walls

760
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: of text the second you leave my house kind of thing.

761
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: Have a good time. This is fun, you know, it's

762
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: it's it seems pretty clear. It was not clear to

763
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: me when I first saw it, but she does make

764
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: that clear. And then he doesn't have sex with her,

765
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: and then it's this yeah, the fucking returning conqueror sensitive Boy,

766
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: where again the movie has no idea that it's doing this,

767
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: but just the implication that that is, like he got

768
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: what he wanted. Yeah, he was pursuing this like girl

769
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: that he was pining over, and then when he finally

770
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: gets to have sex with her, it was like the

771
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: best moment of his life. Where there's like dancers in

772
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: the street and marching band I passionless missionary. When ye

773
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: passionless missionary. Oh god, nothing was going on. That was

774
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: some really boring head round nonsense that was happening. Doesn't

775
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: at one point like the only other relationship he had

776
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: when he's like in fifth grade or something, that's like

777
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: a line that they say, like yours. He's talking, he's

778
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: saying that to his friend. He's like, you, you don't

779
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. The last girlfriend you had

780
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: was in seventh grade. You dated for three hours, So

781
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't know a ton about Tom's but

782
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: we do know a little bit about Summer's relationship history

783
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: because he asks her about it and she's reluctant to

784
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: talk about it, but he kind of presses her and

785
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, fine. And the one thing I want

786
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: to mention about that is she's like, oh, for a

787
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: brief time in college, there was Charlie. And it cuts

788
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: to what his imagining of Charlie to look like, which

789
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: is like a guy in a punk band or something

790
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: like that, and then Summer says she was nice, and

791
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: then his face goes what what what? And then it

792
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: cuts to a woman in the same band. What is

793
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: happening there? To me, is it's glossing over a queer relationship.

794
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: She could not say less about this character Charlie Um.

795
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: And it's also like a suggestion of oh, it happened

796
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: in college, so it was just her experimenting. It was

797
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: a phase, like very dismissive. And that leads me to

798
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: so I want to go back to how characters talk

799
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: about women, queer people, etcetera. For example, there is a

800
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: moment where Tom is talking to his friends Paul Mackenzie,

801
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: and they're all like, well, what's going on with you?

802
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: And Summer like well, are you boyfriends or what in it? Yeah?

803
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: And Tom's like boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, Like we're adults, we

804
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: don't need to put labels on it. And the Mackenzie

805
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: for no reason says you sound gay and Paul says

806
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: you really do, and it's like what that was was

807
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: baffling where I mean, it is like two thousand nine,

808
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: and like I would say, we're peek no homo around

809
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: this time, and this is not to just really take

810
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: every opportunity to take a gigantic dump all over jut Apataw,

811
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: but I will this was like around the time where

812
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: the jutt Appataw no Homo was like unfolding where it

813
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, men can be friends now as long

814
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: as they constantly state that they could not be gay,

815
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: and they always have to be when they're friends, they

816
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: have to be shipping on women. But you know, real,

817
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: real lateral move of like men are allowed to be friends,

818
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: it's not gay to be friends as long as you're

819
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: always saying it's not gay to be friends. The implication

820
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: is that gays are bad and women are bad. I

821
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: love that guy. Also demonstrated in Cool but totally, especially

822
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: in Coach. There's a moment Korea, so we still need

823
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: to talk about the sister character, but there's a moment

824
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: where his sister is like giving him advice about like, oh,

825
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: you just need to like ask her what you guys

826
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: are doing when your relationship and he's like that sounds

827
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: hard and she's like, just do it and just don't

828
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: be a pussy. And it's like using that language calling

829
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: a man a pussy is suggesting that he is weak

830
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: and effeminine and bad especially and then like his twelve

831
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: year old sister calling him a pussy, Like, so let's

832
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: let's talk about that character. I don't even know if

833
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: I have anything to say other than what an insufferable

834
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: trope that I hate. It's awful. Yeah, we're it's so lazy.

835
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: It's a way too for like usually male writers who

836
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: don't know how to write children or you know, pre

837
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: adolescent girls. Let's just make her wise beyond her years,

838
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: make her know exactly how to be an adult. So

839
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: we see this trope in a couple of the movies

840
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: that I could think of off the top of my head,

841
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: which was like the Nice Guys. I feel like this

842
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: happens in Kick Ass, Paper Moon. People were talking about that. Um,

843
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I know it's other places. I just can't remember. Jeremy

844
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Jared McQuire kid is a real smart right, but I'm

845
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: talking about specifically, like ten to thirteen year old girls

846
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: who seemed to only hang out with adults, seem to

847
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: know how to give the best advice for adult situations. Like,

848
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: it's just such a lazy trophy. This character, she does

849
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: not exist. You never met a twelve year old girl

850
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: like that for sure. And it's just she's not even sweating.

851
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, twelve year old girls are never she's playing

852
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: soccer and she's The line that she says is because

853
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: she's giving him a relationship advice. She tells Tom, you

854
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: don't want to ask her because you're afraid you'll get

855
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: an answer that you don't want, which will shatter the

856
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: illusion of how great the last few months will been.

857
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: It's like that I'm not smart enough to say that,

858
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: and I'm bitch, I'm thirty two. It's incredibly lazy. It's

859
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: and the way it's using this character is kind of

860
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: like she's not like the other girls in that kind

861
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: of deal where I don't know, it's this whole movie

862
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: is is very in cell, but it's for sure, Like honestly,

863
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: I was like, there's a subreddit. We're just shitty little

864
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: virgins just talk about this movie constantly and are just

865
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: like good summer. Every summer is a stacy Like that's there. Yeah, there,

866
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: it's a Chloe Grace morats. I mean, I feel for

867
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: her because she seems like a smart young lady, but

868
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: boy has she been thrown some real crumby parts since

869
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: she was a very young girl. So bummer. Yeah, So

870
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: that that character absolutely sucks and is like Anna is

871
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: used to say mean things about women, is and is

872
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: sold out by the male screenwriter to be like, well,

873
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: if a girl says that women are bitches. Then it's

874
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: like his little get out of jail free card. It's

875
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: too mean coming from his grown aus adult male friends.

876
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll just have the little girls say

877
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: and that's her whole purpose. It is just to be

878
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: like another bro. And then the other tool I feel

879
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: like he uses is like when the movie came out,

880
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: it is the narrative does a lot to mask what

881
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: a shitty guy Tom is. But another way they accomplished

882
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: that is by giving him shitty er friends, um where

883
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: they're like, well, he's the best one out of them,

884
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: so of course you should settle for him. We haven't

885
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: met a man who's better than him, but he's awful.

886
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: He just happens to be the most you know, nice

887
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: passing guy in in this movie where everyone else is

888
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: just straight up they just which is almost more admirable,

889
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Like at least I know who you are. Where Tom God,

890
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing where he's sketching out the skyline, I'm like,

891
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: do you know that architects build one building at a time?

892
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: What the funk are you doing? There? Is there isn't

893
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: how you're act. This is not how to be an architect.

894
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: You're just painting your drunk skylines. It's us being an

895
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: architect's I was like, is he going to is his

896
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: dream to build twelve building? He just wants to build

897
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. That's history. Those buildings are already done. I

898
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: just want to He's it's done. Yeah, I just want

899
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: to sketch the most boring postcards. I think that's he's

900
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: moving from greeting cards to postcards. In this scene where

901
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: he's like this is bullshit and you know, and he's

902
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: like lashing out at work. He's like, love is actually

903
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: more complicated than a card, and it's like, wow, hot,

904
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: take you genius. Yeah, what a fucking ned. He's basically

905
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: a cop. I hate him. Yeah, definitely abolished in the

906
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: In that monologue he's giving, he does say that it's

907
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: like pop songs and green cards and movies that have

908
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: like fed him the lies of what romances, which goes

909
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: to show and it's also true in the very beginning,

910
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: like the voiceovers saying that he had this belief that

911
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: he wouldn't never be happy until he met the one,

912
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: which them from sad British pop music and a total

913
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: misreading of the movie The Graduate, which just goes to

914
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: show how influential media is, how movies lead us astray

915
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: all the time. I also, on that note, there's I

916
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: guess a visual joke. It's a scene where Tom and

917
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: Summer go to the movies and it shows the marquis

918
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: of the movie that they're seeing and it reads part vampire,

919
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: part giant the Giant, which I guess is supposed to

920
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: be a vagina joke, but it's not my least favorite

921
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: joke I've ever heard, and I have to that's something

922
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I have to fight. Yeah, I didn't care for that.

923
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: The bar Is Solo. My favorite part of the movie

924
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: is when it cuts to a screen that Han Solo

925
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: is on and he gives a little wink. That was

926
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: that part of the glimmer of Star Wars was my

927
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: favorite part of Five Days of Summer. I like the goop.

928
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: I honestly just kept watching and being like, you know,

929
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: what to make this movie great? If like she took

930
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: off her skin and was an alien. At one point,

931
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: I just kept being like, what would make me like this?

932
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, if like all of her

933
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: like I don't want a relationship is because she's she's

934
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: just from Mark. Well. At one point whenever Tom is

935
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: on the date with this other girl and I want

936
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: to talk about that, so but he's all like, I

937
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: can only come to two conclusions. She's either just an

938
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: emotionless stupid bitch or she's a robot. And that would

939
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: have been like, I wouldn't just like turned out to

940
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: be Alminator. Yes, there that's a great I love that

941
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: make that turn in the movie. I was like, where's

942
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: that third act where she's just like and then she

943
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: fights Mathra great done. I was reading um. I was

944
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: just sort of going through some of the stuff that's

945
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: been written about because a lot of people's viewing of

946
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: this movie has changed over the years, rightfully. So I

947
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: found an interesting post from I don't know what her

948
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: full name is. Her name is Jen and she wrote

949
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: a really wonderful, comprehensive piece about this and she names

950
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: because the conversation around this movie is a very manic

951
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: pixie dream girl, and that's true and that's present in

952
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: a lot of movies. But she names the Joseph Gordon

953
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: Levitt character depressive entitled Fantasy lad d f L. And

954
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: I really like that because that's absolutely what he is.

955
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: The entitlement is something that just never hit with me

956
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: the first time I saw it. But it's so you

957
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: know that line, I love how she makes me feel,

958
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, like he doesn't love her at all, and

959
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: just that it's such a common thing in relationships coming

960
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: from the man, especially just in my personal experience of

961
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: like someone just having an idea of you and then

962
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: getting to know you makes them angry, which is horrible,

963
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happens in this movie. The better

964
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: he gets to know her, the less he likes her,

965
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: because he doesn't actually like her. He wants he it's

966
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: a specific thing, and has found the correct vessel to

967
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: project onto. But also how could he like her because

968
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: we know nothing about her, Like, nothing about her personality

969
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: is really established. There's a moment towards the beginning there's

970
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: more voiceover narration where the voiceover says there's only two

971
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: kinds of people in the world. There's women and there's men,

972
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: which one that fails to acknowledge that gender is a

973
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: background and that there are many people. What about all

974
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: the people who do not fall within that gender binary anyway, uh,

975
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: And then it goes on to say that Summer Finn

976
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: was a woman whenever she worked at an ice cream parlor,

977
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: everyone went to it, and whenever she tries to rent

978
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: an apartment, everyone gives her discount, and like all this

979
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: stuff where I recently learned about the Mary Sue trope,

980
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: and I was curious to see what you guys thought

981
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: about whether or not she falls into that trope if

982
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: you're not familiar Mary sus And it's kind hard to

983
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: classify because a lot of people kind of interpret it

984
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: different ways. But from what I gather, Mary Sue is

985
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: a trope female character in which she is essentially perfect.

986
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: She has no real discernible flaws. Her beauty is coveted

987
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: by everyone. Everyone thinks she's marvelous and great. But aside

988
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: from that, she's also just underdeveloped. Like those are the

989
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: only things we really know about her. It's more common

990
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: and I think fan fiction from what I understand this trope.

991
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: But but there's also like Bella Swan is cited as

992
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: like the quintessential Mary Sue, where like everyone loves her

993
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: even though she's like ordinary, She's from Twilight. Oh I

994
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: don't know, yes for sure, not for me. Look of

995
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: sheer shut down rejection that came over Brandy's face just now,

996
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, no no, no, no no no, that's going

997
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: to be now. But I guess I didn't hear that

998
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: term until Fury wrote came out because Charlie's Throne's character.

999
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's been around before that, but because

1000
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: to me, everyone was like trying to tear down that

1001
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: movie because Charlie's character is is a Mary interesting. That's that.

1002
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: That's how I think of it as like more of

1003
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: like an action In my head, it's more of like

1004
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: an action here, like she could she has all of

1005
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: the skills to solve a plot point kind of. I

1006
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: became aware of it through yes, super hero movies of

1007
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: like the token woman in an action movie or the

1008
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: token woman in a superhero hero movie, because that is

1009
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: like almost uniformly the case until very recently and still

1010
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: sometimes Anyways, Okay, yes, I think there are those kind

1011
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: of different interpretations where I also, I like watched a

1012
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: video where people were saying that Ray from the New

1013
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: Star Wars is a Merry Sue type because she can

1014
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: do everything right away and she's perfect and everyone loves her.

1015
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think Summer fits this guy. And

1016
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the more like I was watching it this time, I

1017
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: don't necessarily even know that she is a manic pixie

1018
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: dream girl in the way that like Natalie poor Man

1019
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: is in or Kristen Dunson Elizabethtown was like where the

1020
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: was the source of Nathan Raybond, the writer for The

1021
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: A V Club, even naming the trope. But because she's

1022
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: not manic is the thing. But she I would say,

1023
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: is a pixie dream girl. But that's because we see

1024
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: her so often in someone else's thoughts, you know, where

1025
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know the character itself. It seems

1026
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: like there's more there that the movie just isn't interested in.

1027
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: So I don't really know what to do with that

1028
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: where it seems like there is like some complex stuff

1029
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: about her that Tom never inquires into because he doesn't

1030
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: really care. Yeah, so we see her as a manic

1031
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: pixie dream girl, or at least a pixie dream girl.

1032
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that's actually what the character

1033
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: is wants. Yeah, that's what he wants. He wants her

1034
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: to be that, so he's like he stops looking beyond.

1035
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: He's just like your favorite beetles ringo, you're such a

1036
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: pixie dream girl. Meanwhile, I don't know who his favorite

1037
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: Beetle is fucking coward. How about you match it and

1038
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: you tell me who you think is the no. You

1039
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: know he likes Lennon because he wants to hit a

1040
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: woman really bad. For sure. He's definitely a John Lennon guy.

1041
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love John Lennon and Morrissey and they're

1042
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: just like really good. God. It's it's like, oh, are

1043
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: you also investing in crypto? You fucking psycho? He loves bitcoin? God,

1044
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: he loves crypto. Yeah, that should be added to that

1045
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: an entitled bitcoin bro, Lad you accept crypto for this?

1046
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: Morrissey Vinyl, Hi, I'm a murderer? Like, can we talk

1047
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: about the one of the only other female characters in

1048
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: this movie, which is the girl that he goes on

1049
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: a date with after he's been broken up with. This

1050
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: character's name is Alison. Um, how that that's her first mistake?

1051
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: She should have been new Moon. Her name is January

1052
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: and um. So they go in to day. He treats

1053
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: her like absolute shit. Um. He tells her very upfront,

1054
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: saying this isn't going anywhere because basically, I'm in love

1055
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: with someone else. He only talks about summer. He only

1056
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: talks about how he's heartbroken over her, and then we

1057
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: see a moment where she's like, Okay, let me get

1058
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: this straight. She never cheated on you, she never took

1059
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: advantage of you, and she told you upfront that she

1060
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: didn't want a boyfriend. And we as the audience, were like, oh,

1061
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to come to a realization at the moment,

1062
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: and instead he goes, I have a great idea, let's

1063
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: go to sing karaoke. So like you see him continue

1064
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: to be the entitled guy that he is, having no

1065
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: self awareness, having no idea how he has approached this

1066
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: whole relationship with Summer has been completely wrong and entitled

1067
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: and bad. Yeah, yeah, he learns nothing. Poor Yeah Alison,

1068
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: she didn't do anything wrong. She was so patient with him.

1069
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: She was good for her for second locationing with him, right,

1070
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I would have been like, I think I've done.

1071
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: I really saw Alison do some serious emotional labor. Yeah,

1072
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: for a strange man who hated her, which it's like

1073
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: I've been Allison. I don't know. I think we have

1074
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: probably have ever gone in a day with the man

1075
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: who's like, let me talk about my ex girlfriend the

1076
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: whole time and also I hate you, Like, oh cool,

1077
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: I'll sank six months into this, let's do Also, it's

1078
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: a former karaoke host. This guy for sure doesn't tip.

1079
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: You can tell he's not a tip definitely not to

1080
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: see it in all of his choices. He has a

1081
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: four Chan account like this, there's something wrong with this man. Also,

1082
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: like one of the many points where I had to

1083
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: be like, do not check out? It was also when

1084
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: she's sang sugar Land or whatever, that song with sugar

1085
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: Sugartown Nancy. Yeah, she's saying Sugartown. But they didn't have

1086
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: born to run in the karaokee, right, it was just

1087
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: a way to drop. I also like Bruce Ringstein, how

1088
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: dare you how as a former kJ, that's not how

1089
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: the books work. Karaoke jockey. Yeah, that's what we're called kJ.

1090
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that that wasn't included in your intro. I

1091
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: was going to plug it in the outro, Ladies, your

1092
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: former kJ, just like a former kJ. Yeah, that just

1093
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: made that. I was like, she has to sing the

1094
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: tweetest song just to like make her like even more,

1095
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, like ethereal and everything. Right, Well, the song

1096
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: that she chooses as a frequent karaoke attendee a k A.

1097
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: If you will. You want other people to sing fun

1098
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: songs that you can sing along too, and I'll have

1099
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: an uproarious time. Her song choice is stupid, like, no

1100
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: one wants to sing along with that. No one's having

1101
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: a good time with that song. Rude, yeah anyway, and

1102
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: hot karaoke takes. I'm too scared to do karaoke. I'm

1103
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: a baby, really, I've never done it. But the trick

1104
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: is you have to get really drunk. I'm good at that,

1105
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: not the karaoke part, I don't know. I want to

1106
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: talk about the scene that happens in the copy room.

1107
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: After that. There's a surprise kiss in this movie where

1108
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: it's the Friday night where they're all at karaoke. His

1109
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: drunk friend Mackenzie is like, he likes you, account for sure,

1110
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: he's h now and then whenever Summer's like, is that true?

1111
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: Do you like me? Joseph Gordon Levitt's like, no, his

1112
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: friends maybe, but like you because he's an immature little asshole.

1113
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: Then the weekend passes and they're in the office together

1114
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: in the copy room. They kind of look at each

1115
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: other and then she just like saunters up to him.

1116
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: And plants a right on his face. First of all,

1117
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: this is there at work not appropriate technically assment, workplace harassment,

1118
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: and you know he's into it because he fucking loves

1119
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: her or loves the idea of her. But yeah, it's

1120
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: just like really, that's how so much of it. It

1121
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: was also like looking back as it is recollections of

1122
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: him I'm always have with the movie, I was like,

1123
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: is any of this even the way things happened and true?

1124
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: Like is this all just like your memory of like?

1125
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: And then she saundered up to me and she fucking

1126
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: planted one on me in the copy room? How ordered

1127
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: it happen? Where he was like leering over her? And

1128
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: then she turned around and he was like, oh her

1129
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: turning around me? She wants to kiss? Yeah, and then

1130
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: I kissed her and then she was was my ward

1131
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: for Also it's it's fully two days of summer and

1132
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: then two hundred ten days of Joseph Gordon Levitt not

1133
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: being able to accept a breakup. They break up on

1134
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: day two ninety and then he stalks her and then

1135
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: can we talk at where the movie leaves off? This

1136
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: is Juseph Cornlovitt decide he's gonna build five buildings, he

1137
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: draws another skyline. He's like, me going to get a job.

1138
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: I was like, for what for? You have to pick one?

1139
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: And they can't be believed that are already to design

1140
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: your own Building's so stupid. He has not had an

1141
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: original thought in the entire movie, and that includes being

1142
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: an architect. It's like stid. But there's a scene at

1143
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: the end where he was once again drawing buildings that

1144
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: already exist outside and sees summer and she's in a

1145
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: new relationship because she has to be in a relationship

1146
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: and he kind of got good luck chucked where she

1147
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: met someone who wasn't a total I mean maybe he

1148
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: is a total choked. We don't know because the movie

1149
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: doesn't care about summer. But she's like, I'm with someone now,

1150
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm in a relationship and I'm happy. And I think

1151
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: that this is a sticking point for a lot of

1152
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: the insults who were like she was she she was lying,

1153
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: she did want a relationship the whole time, and she

1154
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: was just leading him on. Well, she never leads him on.

1155
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: She always tells him that she doesn't want to be

1156
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: in a relationship. But then probably because he sucks, and

1157
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: then at the end, he's the hero because he's able

1158
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: to sort of accept it and now he's going to

1159
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: build a building that exists already. Yeah, exactly, I hate him,

1160
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: And again we're meant to believe, Like whenever they meet

1161
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: up again at the park towards the end of the

1162
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: Five Days of Summer, you know, she's like, HiPE, somebody's wife.

1163
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: How crazy is that? It was fate? I just knew

1164
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: when he like, he's the one, And the movie frames

1165
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: it so that the audience is supposed to think, oh man,

1166
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: what a what a bitch for not choosing him? What

1167
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: a bitch for not choosing Tom, this sensitive, wonderful guy

1168
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: that we've grown to love, And it's like no, Like

1169
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: the movie so irresponsibly frames so many of those scenes

1170
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: and situations like that, and you know, when we revisit

1171
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: this movie, we realize, oh no, Like, yeah, he is

1172
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: the bad guy. He is a possessive for creep. Well,

1173
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: even like the way that she talks in that scene

1174
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: feels like him telling Mackenzie what happened at the park

1175
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: to be like I know, I'm a wife. Oh my god,

1176
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: This whole bangs take place in his head, Like do

1177
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: we ever actually meet Summer, the whole. It's just like

1178
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: the most insufferable being John Malcolvic of all time inside

1179
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: like the head of a insult. I do want to see,

1180
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: like somewhere like talking to her friends of like, yeah,

1181
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: there's a guy on dating and just like whatever. It's

1182
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: just because I don't know. I've been in situations like

1183
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: that where I'm like, yeah, just like really nothing else

1184
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: is happening, and you know, I don't think he's gonna

1185
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: kill me. I can't. Sometimes I'm just like I don't

1186
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: think he's gonna murder me, and they're so sure, great, Yeah,

1187
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: it seems like it would be more trouble because he's

1188
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: an emotional psychopath and so it would be more difficult

1189
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: to break off than just like have sex with him

1190
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: every once in a while and appeas this emotional vampire.

1191
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: Um exactly. That's how I picture her talking about him, like, well,

1192
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: he bought me Swedish meatballs once, so he has two dollars,

1193
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: so that's fine. I want to talk more about that

1194
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: I Kia scene where when they're like goofing around, they're out,

1195
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: they're having fun and their sink is broken and like

1196
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: t they're lying on a bed at one point and

1197
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: then he looks up and he's like, Summer, I don't

1198
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: know how to tell you this, but there's a Chinese

1199
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: family in our bathroom. And then it cuts to this

1200
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: family and they're like and then they walk away, And

1201
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: it's just another example of how the white, straight characters

1202
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: in this movie talk disparagingly about marginalized people, where it's like, one,

1203
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: how do you know they're Chinese? Specifically, to like that's

1204
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: played for a joke, is in like, oh, what's this

1205
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: ethnic family doing here? Ruining our perfect white head moment? Exactly?

1206
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: Why would they want to look in a bedroom? Right?

1207
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: Why would they be in a Swedish blonde store? And

1208
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: this movie is painfully Caucasian. That Nicole Brown is in

1209
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: it for a second, yes, and her talents are way

1210
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: underused because I love her. I think she's very funny's great.

1211
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: But and then there's there's a moment in the park

1212
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: where they're screaming penis over and over again, and then

1213
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: people are like, why are they screaming penis? And they're like,

1214
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: it's okay, we have touretts and it's like, no, okay,

1215
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: you're making fun of a disability. Now, cool? There's another

1216
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: moment when they're also like, you're not in tenth grade,

1217
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: like you know, I hate, like they're like in their

1218
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: late twenties. Yeah, if you can vote, you can't play

1219
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: the Penis game anymore. I'm sorry, you're done. I love

1220
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: that limitation. I hate I remember after that where boys

1221
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: were doing that again at school, and you know, listen,

1222
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm a grown adult and I have been since I

1223
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: was thirteen years old. I do not play the penis

1224
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: game bag and yeah, that's I guess that's all I have. Also,

1225
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: why is it got to be the Penis game? Why

1226
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: can the Vagiana? Yeah? Yeah, that feels that I don't

1227
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to either grow up. I do want

1228
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: to go see the movie The Giant. Yeah, what's it about?

1229
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't wait to do our episode

1230
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: on teeth. Oh yes, that'll be a thrill. There's also

1231
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: a moment where Tom is on the phone with Mackenzie

1232
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you coming to this wedding? And

1233
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's like, I'm not going to go to the wedding.

1234
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: It's going to be old people, because old people are gross.

1235
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: Old people also turned out to be code for black. Yeah,

1236
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: that wedding is very weird. I was like, what's happening.

1237
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this information because

1238
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: they're the basically the only two white people are like

1239
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: an all African American wedding, and I was like, what

1240
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: is this choice? Who's whose wedding was that? That was

1241
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: some of their colleagues, co workers. I was like, what

1242
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: did you realize you needed to be diverse? And you're like, well,

1243
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: we have the weddings, we have one scene. Yeah, put

1244
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: all the black people in one the wedding scene, and

1245
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: none of them get to talk or you know, have

1246
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: any planning significant role in the story. It's like dressing.

1247
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: It's the West Anderson thing of using minority as a

1248
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: set dressing, so that if anyone ever challenges why are

1249
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: there only white people in your movie, he's like, oh, no,

1250
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: they're in the background all the time, you know, like

1251
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: and where they're in the background, not talking, not having

1252
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: any characterization. Also, we're saying that Mark Webb, who is

1253
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: just the throbbing chowd behind this movie, has gone on

1254
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: to have a very successful film career. He directed the

1255
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield Spider Man movies. Those are bad, though, especially

1256
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: the second one, he's bad. And last year he made

1257
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: a movie that I couldn't get through. I tried to

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01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: go see as a joke and I could not get

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: through it. That movie gifted about the child we're talking about,

1260
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: the like the really smart kid, like it is kid. Yeah,

1261
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean on that note, this movie is

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: directed by a man, written by two men. It's the

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: story is being told through the lens of this male character.

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: It's like so much bad effective to Yeah, yeah, it's crazy,

1265
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: like it would have been. This movie would have been

1266
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: interesting with a female director to like tamper some of

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01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: that and to be like, let's balance this more and

1268
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: like there's a way to tell this story correctly. Sure,

1269
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, but not this movie. This is not it.

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: I do Yeah, I do want to see a version

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01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: of this movie where he's punished. Yeah, absolutely, what's out

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01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: one of her tendrils at the end. It's just like

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: I was marsh and the whole time. Slurp, chomp, chump jump.

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01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts about this movie?

1275
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: This movie is bad. People should stop watching it. Yeah,

1276
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: it's not a fun hate watch. It is just it's

1277
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: it sucks and it'll remind you of a version of

1278
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: yourself you won't like very much. Yeah. The movie was

1279
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,919
Speaker 1: like very well reviewed when it came out, big success.

1280
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: My favorite glowing review of this movie was that it

1281
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: was the best romantic comedy since love. Actually, great movie. Yeah,

1282
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: it's really I scream wrapping a little reviews because they

1283
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,520
Speaker 1: made me very, very freaking angry. This is great. Sometimes

1284
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: you never ever truly figure out why these mysterious creatures

1285
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: break your heart. That for a line, mysterious creatures being

1286
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: robot slash alien. Yeah, I will say. The World Socialist

1287
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: website gave it a negative review. They're very they're very

1288
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: smart for doing that. They were like, this is bad.

1289
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: It sucks. I mean it sucks from every angle to

1290
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: where it's like lazily written bad for women, bad for men,

1291
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: bad for the entire spectrum of gender is punished in

1292
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 1: this movie. It's a bad, punishing experience. Yeah, everyone loved it,

1293
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: and it's it's also like tries to play itself off

1294
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: as like I feel like now the damage control has

1295
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: been but it's satire and it's like it's not. It's

1296
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: it's not it's never the intent. That's not the intent

1297
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: of this movie at all. Comments on nothing. Nothing is

1298
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: subverted by this movie. One of my Twitter chodes was like,

1299
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: it's like it's just like Starship Troopers. And I'm like, hello,

1300
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: how dare you? Number one? Do not come? Starship Troopers

1301
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: do not come? Ever, Yeah, you don't deserve to come.

1302
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: You're done, You're done coming. Um. But he was like,

1303
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: it's a satire just like that, and I was like,

1304
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: that's not that's not the point of it. I guess

1305
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: I need to revisit Starship Troopers. It's pretty fun, right

1306
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: that one probably actually does pass the back. I'll test.

1307
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: I think I'd be surprised. I'd be interested in that. Well,

1308
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: speaking of it's like I love a good transition. Tell

1309
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: you know my good podcast that was like, I see

1310
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: the clock, I see where we're going. So Stranger does

1311
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: five hundred Days of Summer pass the back to test?

1312
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't think we avoided it. Yeah, really goes out

1313
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 1: of its way. And I don't think two female characters

1314
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: even interact in this entire movie. I think this movie

1315
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: is over if two women talk this movie, because they'd

1316
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: be like, um, Joseph Gordon Levitt is kind of a

1317
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: fucking jerk. And then there and then you know, we

1318
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: cut it off at day four and I'll go home. Yeah,

1319
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're right. Imagine the conversation between Allison, the

1320
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: girl that he goes on one date with, and Summer

1321
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: and they just like, remember when we like spent any

1322
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: time with that guy? He sucks. He's another guy. Yeah,

1323
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: Like in retrospect Joseph Gordon Levitt, it's like, oh, remember

1324
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: that weird guy at work who was obsessed with you. Man,

1325
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: he's trying to be an architect now, but I don't

1326
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: think he knows what he's doing. He just draws skyline

1327
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: existing building, Yeah, just buildings that are already there. Doesn't

1328
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: fundamentally went to school for it. I just don't know

1329
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: how he has a degree. They're already exists, they're done.

1330
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: He's just drawing the World Trade centered over and over again.

1331
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: What's it's empty point of building? Yes, and then make one. Also,

1332
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: you know that iconic l A skyline. So this movie

1333
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: does really want to take place in New York very badly,

1334
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: very badly. Shall we rate the movie on our nipple scale?

1335
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: So we rate the movie based on its portrayal of women,

1336
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: a zero to five nipple rating scale. I'm going to

1337
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: go ahead and give it. I'll say a one nipple.

1338
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm giving it that many and not fewer, because I

1339
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: do like that for a split second. If we just

1340
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: kind of ignore all the other context of the movie,

1341
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: we see representation of a woman who is not like

1342
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: marriage obsessed and not going gaga over, you know, trying

1343
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: to find a boyfriend. But because that trait of hers

1344
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: is demonized in this movie and made to seem like

1345
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: she's a bit because she doesn't want to instantly marry

1346
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt's character. That is one of the many

1347
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:16,440
Speaker 1: problems of this movie. Smell is also extremely white, extremely hetero.

1348
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: It doesn't do as badly as some movies we've seen

1349
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: in queer bashing, but it's certainly not an ally that

1350
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: there's no queer character. So unless you count summers one

1351
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: queer relationship in college, which again is so glossed over

1352
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: that we can hardly even begin to understand what that was. Yeah,

1353
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: and it's just it's us supposed to be sympathizing with

1354
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: an extremely entitled, possessive guy who the movie would want

1355
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: you to think is this supersensitive, wonderful person, when in

1356
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: reality he sucks and Summer's character is wildly underdeveloped. The

1357
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: sister care her is that stupid trope that's really done.

1358
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: Troupe does not no twelve year old girls are like that. Yeah,

1359
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: there's just so many problems with it. And I give

1360
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: it one nipple, and that nipple belongs to I guess Allison,

1361
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: the girl that he goes on one date with and

1362
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: treats like ship. She deserves more. And yeah, she was

1363
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: like the one rational female character that we see. Yeah, exactly,

1364
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: I'm giving this movie no nipples at all. I would

1365
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: give it negative if I could. I stand for Zoe

1366
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: Desanelle and that I find her to be more sympathetic

1367
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: than and and whatever already went through that. But I

1368
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: think seeing this movie as a teenager had a negative

1369
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: effect on my life, and I resent that it affected

1370
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: for sure, my behaviors around boys. Uh, it affected how

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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: I would allow my self to be treated. And like

1372
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: where it's like you see a movie where and then

1373
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: this is I mean, this movie is not the sole

1374
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: source of this, but just like because I was the

1375
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: exact right age to get all the wrong messages from

1376
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: this movie when it came out, and so was everyone

1377
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: I went to school with. Yeah, I mean it it

1378
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: affected the way I've viewed myself. It affected the way

1379
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: I assigned value in a relationship. Yeah, I think that

1380
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: it just it. It did nothing good for anyone, and

1381
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: it did make Joseph Gordon Levitt a huge star, and

1382
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: then he went on to play the role a million

1383
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: times and no one ever gave him trouble about it. Anyways,

1384
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: this movie fucking sucks and I have no nipples to give.

1385
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: I will give it also zero nipples, or like I

1386
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: had a breast production a few years ago, I'll give

1387
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: it the leavings of my old You get a couple

1388
01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: of You get my tips, scraps. That's all you deserve,

1389
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: because you should be confronted with something that is real

1390
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: at some point, so that's what you get. The only

1391
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: way that you should be allowed to watch this movie

1392
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: is what a woman in your thirties sitting next to

1393
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: you with a remote control that they can pause and

1394
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: then hit you with the newspaper if you agree with

1395
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: something that just happened. It's the only way that you

1396
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: can watch this movie. Everyone. See if Brandy will agree

1397
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: to watch this movie with you, remember her a million

1398
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: dollars and maybe she consider it. I would love to

1399
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: watch you watch us. Really, I was just angrily petting

1400
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: my dog, just like you just became a therapy animal. Yeah,

1401
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: this movie is garbage. It's it's done. I wash my

1402
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: hands of it. Yeah. Well, Brandy, thank you so much

1403
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 1: for coming on this journey with us. Has of talking

1404
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: about summer. Where can people follow you online? What would

1405
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: you like to plug? On Twitter and Instagram? At brand

1406
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Dazzle you can find me air um. And then my

1407
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: website is Brandy Posey dot com and that has all

1408
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: my tour dates and deats I do. I'm on the

1409
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: road like four or five months out of the year,

1410
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: so I go all over the place. I'm a stand

1411
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: up so um, I'm pretty fun. Live, come hang out.

1412
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: I promise, I'm promise, I'm a good time. And then

1413
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: I have a podcast called Lady to Lady that's myself,

1414
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: Barbara Gray and Test Barker and we have like a

1415
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: different guest on every week and you guys have both

1416
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: put on. Yeah, it's a real it's a real, real,

1417
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: silly fun time. We just kind of gab and have

1418
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: a good time and basically live our live a Beackdale life.

1419
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: At all times. It feels feels real good. Yeah, I

1420
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: find me there. Um, I have a show in l

1421
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: a monthly called Picture This that's comedians paired up with

1422
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: the animators and they live animate your jokes behind you

1423
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: during their set and it's very silly and it's The

1424
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: Virgil Monthly. And then we do that around the country

1425
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: a little bit too. But brand as Ale and Brandy

1426
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: posey dot com has all that info. And of course,

1427
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: don't forget your illustrious career as a k J Yes

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Speaker 1: karaoke yea. Where where did you kJ back in the day? J?

1429
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Speaker 1: All Star Lanes and that's us. I like that place. Yeah,

1430
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: bowling alley, dive bar, karaoke lounge, Chinese restaurant. It's a

1431
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: really great um. You can follow us the Bechtel Cast

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook at Becktel Cast. You can subscribe

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Speaker 1: to our Matreon. It's five dollars a month and you

1434
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: get to bonus episodes every single month. It's August, so

1435
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Speaker 1: that means on the on the Matreon. This month, we've

1436
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: got the episode everyone's been asking for Doubt. We have

1437
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: a Doubt, and then we'll also have hackers because Caitlin

1438
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: is being very patient with me. This month, let's your birthday,

1439
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: your birthday months. So I got to pick my favorite movie,

1440
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: Doubt and a movie I haven't seen, Hackers. So go

1441
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: to the Matreon for all of that, and you can

1442
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: go to our website becktel cast dot com and we've

1443
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: got all kinds of merch there at our episodes there.

1444
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: Just yeah, check us out online. And I'm going to

1445
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: go sketch a building that exists. I'm gonna go talk

1446
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: to a Latin next person in Los Angeles at some

1447
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: point today. Yes, please God, it took place in Los

1448
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: Angeles and it did it. Goodness, well, you know, blessings,

1449
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 1: good tidings to you, bless your heart, God, bless us everyone.

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01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: Goodbye bye