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Speaker 1: because Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackouts podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Rod joined us always by my co host,

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Speaker 2: and we're alive on a Wednesday, ready to wrap up

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Speaker 2: our week. Yes, and it's a very special Wednesday. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was supposed to be here last week and our

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Speaker 2: show would have been started, which we couldn't have known,

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Speaker 2: so we had to push it to this week. And

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Speaker 2: then this week he's out here trying to be a father,

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Speaker 2: being a good father to his son, and he still said,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna find a way to be on the podcast

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Speaker 2: with us fighting technological challenges. You might know him as

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Speaker 2: a sports journalist, former sports center host, former host of

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Speaker 2: His and Hers podcasts and TV show, NFL analyst commentator,

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Speaker 2: current co host of Brother Another podcast with him and

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Speaker 2: Michael Holly and twenty eight times GM other year Madden

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Speaker 3: It's Michael Smith. What's up, man?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? How y'all doing? Appreciate y'all having me?

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Speaker 3: Oh, man, I'm glad you could. You can make it.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's a long time coming. You know, we've been

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Speaker 2: fans of yours, uh forever. We've had Jamil on the

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Speaker 2: show multiple times, and I always do this thing where

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Speaker 2: I forget I can ask anyone. I mean they can

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Speaker 2: say no, but I can ask anyone to be on

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, why not ask

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Speaker 3: Mike to be on the show. Worst thing to say

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Speaker 3: is I don't want to do you a show?

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Speaker 1: So I know.

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Speaker 2: I got more important thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been I've been down with y'all.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: really we've never done this before.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean I've been knowing y'all, feel like for years,

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Speaker 1: like y'all with some of my first Twitter friends. Yeah, man, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Like like I mean, I don't even remember the first

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Speaker 4: I disconnected quite a bit from Twitter in recent years,

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Speaker 4: so of course I would I would come kicking with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Man, Like it didn't even like a I don't even

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Speaker 1: view it as a doing y'all show, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like absolutely, man, passings passing that just got

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Speaker 1: made all in the same game. You like that just now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel I feel like what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to say, it's all love.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was like we should give each other our flowers

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Speaker 2: now because.

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Speaker 3: You just never know.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, watching you from uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, from like ESPN and stuff is different. It's

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Speaker 5: I never he ain't gonna take the time, right.

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Speaker 2: But then it's always interesting because like if you DM

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Speaker 4: Point the people who the people who see that you

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Speaker 4: see themselves the way you're describing I would describe them

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, like we might be we might have

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Speaker 4: or they're not the like, No, it's never from that

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Speaker 1: You know, is is by somebody reason enough.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I had a high school teacher who

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Speaker 4: Get a you know, just work, go to summer school.

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Speaker 4: The Times pick you and called me out the balloon

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Speaker 4: I've always you know, read a lot of sports, whether

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Speaker 4: You know, It's a great way to stay connected in sports,

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Speaker 4: I'll stop the story here and say, the summer after

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Speaker 4: The only paper to offer me an internship was the

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Speaker 1: At the time. The blow I take the over, anybody.

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Speaker 4: So I interned there summer after my sophomore year, then

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Speaker 1: And then I they offered me a job. I graduated

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Speaker 2: Were you a fan of sports and then they asked

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Speaker 4: And oh no, I was hardcore. I mean like I mean,

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Speaker 4: I had the dopest collection. I just saw Lebron's. Lebron's

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Speaker 4: Obviously they do that for you when you cover college

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Speaker 1: You know. I was, like I said, a decent writer.

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Speaker 4: I don't consider myself a great writer, but I guess

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Speaker 1: I was curious.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Boston Globe thought you was straight.

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Speaker 4: As for I think, I think what they saw more

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the thing that I know.

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Speaker 4: So I was a sports intern after my sophomore year

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Speaker 4: for the Boston Globe, so that was a rising junior.

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Speaker 4: Typically they don't take rising juniors anyway. What they never

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Speaker 4: for two summers. Nobody had ever done two summers at

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm convinced that, the reason.

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Speaker 4: I made a good enough impression on the editor at

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's rules against reference in this, dude,

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Speaker 4: But honestly, where it really came from. And we talked

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Speaker 4: Whatever I'm doing is that Yo, I gave it everything

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Speaker 2: Now, it's all good. Sometimes you cheer the right Sometimes

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Speaker 1: to coach him, but I know what it looks like.

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Speaker 2: So like you get what's the path from the Boston

438
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Speaker 2: Globe to ESPN.

439
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 4: Two things covering the New England Patriots when Tom Brady

440
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 4: first burst on the scene, and literally right place, right time,

441
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: because in two thousand and two or three they started

442
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Speaker 4: around the Horn and you may recall Around the Horn

443
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: was initially based in newsrooms yep, around the country. It

444
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Speaker 4: was the Chicago Sun Times, at Denver Post, the La Times,

445
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Speaker 4: the Dallas Morning News, and the Boston Globe.

446
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Speaker 1: And so there was a camera in the middle of

447
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Speaker 1: the Boston Globe. And you know, I'll never forget two

448
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: thousand and three. Summer two thousand and three. I was.

449
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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was the backup Patriots feed reporter.

450
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 4: I wasn't the league guy, so I could also at

451
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 4: any time I could be pulled off of assignments. I

452
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 4: was so hell bent on covering the NFL and covering

453
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Speaker 4: the Patriots. So I was disappointed when the Globe sent

454
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Speaker 4: me to Paris to cover the World Track and Field something.

455
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Speaker 1: Wow. So I was. I was.

456
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 4: I was set in Paris with my old lady who

457
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: was gonna be my wife, all expenses paid trips to

458
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Speaker 4: Paris for like two weeks.

459
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Speaker 5: Oh oh, it's beautiful to you, mad big man like man,

460
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Speaker 5: I'd rather be in Foxborough.

461
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Speaker 1: Massachusetts, right now, watch him training camp. You know. I

462
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Speaker 1: was like, I was like, no disrespect to you, No,

463
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Speaker 1: I love.

464
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you so much, but I

465
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: just want to be around a bunch of sweaty men

466
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: who just is beautiful to you.

467
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Speaker 4: So but what happened was the Newark Star Ledger called

468
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 4: me and offered me the national NFL job. They must

469
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: have taken notice of my work and they offered me

470
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Speaker 4: the national NFL job. And that was the job I

471
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Speaker 4: really want, like to be a national NFL guy. In

472
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Speaker 4: those days that the newspaper was like the ship, so

473
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Speaker 4: I was I would have skipped a step. I would

474
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Speaker 4: have gone from backup to national guy. I wouldn't even

475
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Speaker 4: had to do the beat job. So I was gonna

476
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Speaker 4: take it. But it was the Boston Globe and Don

477
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: Squad was like, look, stay here, You'll be the lead

478
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: beat guy on the beat Nick Cafardo who's passed away,

479
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: rest in peace.

480
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Speaker 1: Nick Cafardo wants to do baseball anyway. You'll be the

481
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Speaker 1: beat guy on the Patriots, and we'll start putting you

482
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Speaker 1: in the around the hornor rotation. Like cool, hey you

483
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Speaker 1: mentioned something earlier horn.

484
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Speaker 2: I was one second Mike you mentioned something earlier about

485
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Speaker 2: the Around the Horn. You said they put a camera,

486
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: so that camera is really just in the middle of

487
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Speaker 2: the damn office.

488
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Speaker 1: At the time.

489
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

490
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Speaker 1: Now now everybody has their own studios. It's evolved, but

491
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Speaker 1: at the time, it was literally in the middle of

492
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Speaker 1: the newsroom.

493
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Speaker 4: And trust me, we got a lot of dirty looks

494
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: from people. It's like when you shut.

495
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Speaker 1: The fuck up. Like I always wondered about that in

496
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the newsroom because you would see.

497
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Speaker 5: The people that looking around them like like like they're

498
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Speaker 5: working at regular nine to five on their break, drinking coffee,

499
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Speaker 5: and I remember they weren't.

500
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Speaker 3: They weren't like camera ready or like extras. It was

501
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: just like a dude being like, there's some donuts and.

502
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to pick copies up?

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, okay, So I was that was that would

504
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: have been I think I started on Around the Horn

505
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Speaker 1: in three so it'ld have been like twenty four years

506
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Speaker 1: old or something like that. And no idea what kind

507
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Speaker 1: of I know that should I say at forty one,

508
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I was saying on but yeah,

509
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: it worked out and then and then not long after that,

510
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: two thousand and so I spent a year on the

511
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Patriots beating again. You covered a high profile team like

512
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots of paper, like the Boston Globe, people reading

513
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: your ship.

514
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Speaker 4: And so ESPN asked me to come and join their

515
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: team in two thousand and four, and.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. And they they doubled my salary. Wow,

517
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: And it was esp It was ESPN. Hello. I'm like,

518
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, now.

519
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: You got cars with Now you got cars with the

520
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: sun roof. You know what I'm saying.

521
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Speaker 3: Now we can look at the trees. You know what

522
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

523
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Speaker 4: Not quite, not quite, not quite. Back then, I was

524
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Speaker 4: still pushing. Well, I think the maximum had of some

525
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: route back, or it might have been. It might have

526
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Speaker 4: been a full I don't remember.

527
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Speaker 1: I remember when I moved to Boston, I had a

528
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Toyota four Runner, and then I bought a Jeep Cherokee

529
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: not long after that. But you know how it is,

530
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: when you get married, the wife gets the good car.

531
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Speaker 1: So she took the GEP and I ended up with

532
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: her maximum, which was nice, you know. But yeah, so

533
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: I was that was but yeah, I mean, at that time,

534
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: it was a no brainer, or at least I thought

535
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Speaker 1: it was a no brainer. I'm not sure. Maybe I'd

536
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Speaker 1: have done it differently if I had to do all

537
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Speaker 1: over again, But it was ESPN, and it was, like

538
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: I said, double my salary and more money than I'd

539
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: ever thought I was gonna make doing this shit, and

540
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: more money than my parents ever made. Yeah, And so

541
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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't I didn't know no better. I

542
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: mean again, I'm twenty four years old, twenty four, twenty

543
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Speaker 1: five years old about to go to the Worldwide Leader,

544
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: which I grew up watching, and just like and it.

545
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Speaker 2: Seemed like I mean, with that time and you kind

546
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: of like jumped from swung from the next to the

547
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Speaker 2: next vine from the newspaper industry, which was you know,

548
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: starting to be hard hit by the Internet and all

549
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: the other types of media. So you kind of, you know,

550
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: maybe even avoided some some stuff that you might not

551
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Speaker 2: have felt like dealing with.

552
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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely, no, it was it was it was a

553
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: period of transition, uh, for the industry in general, whether

554
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 4: we realize it or not. And so yeah, jumping to

555
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: a place like ESPN at the time, you know, super

556
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: financially stable, and you know, going to a.

557
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Speaker 1: Dot com was was considered.

558
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Speaker 4: I would say it was still it was still frowned

559
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: upon by traditional newspaper people, like even television, Like, you know,

560
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 4: it's so funny.

561
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Speaker 1: Because I look back and I was. I was a

562
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Speaker 1: writer to my core, and when I was covering the beat,

563
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Speaker 1: I would be in judgment of TV people, you know.

564
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, y'all, y'all fancy TV people, y'all

565
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: come in, you know, once a week, asking y'all dumb

566
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: ass questions.

567
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: Y'all don't really follow the team. Y'all don't really know

568
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: what's going on. Y'all just be messing it up for

569
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Speaker 4: the real journalists.

570
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: I ain't real journalism. I was. I was. I was

571
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: fucking didn't. I didn't say it to them. I thought it.

572
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: That's how the old heads had me thinking. Right, but

573
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: you get that TV money, you'd be like, I.

574
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Speaker 3: See what some thing's gonna change.

575
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because it's like it's like real hot

576
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: hip hop versus underground hip hop versus the you know, like.

577
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: That type of thing.

578
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 1: But that record label come calling. You're like, look, I

579
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Speaker 1: take I take it back.

580
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, take it all back, it.

581
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: All back, I mean, because it was funny. It's just like,

582
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: but you don't realize the power like that them four letters, man,

583
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: they had some power. Yes, I saw it because again

584
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: like I you know, look, I did a good job

585
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: at the Globe and I and I developed a reputation

586
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: of myself. But at twenty five years old, I had

587
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: I hadn't earned.

588
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: The credibility that I received by association with ESPN at

589
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: the time. So in other words, I go into a

590
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: locker room and somebody having seen me on ESPN or

591
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: somebody having read me on the ESPN, or somebody seeing

592
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: me holding a mic with that flag is different.

593
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Speaker 1: People respond differently that one hundred percent. One hundred percent.

594
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Speaker 4: So if you're a twenty five year old trying to

595
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: like compete on a national level for scoops and shit,

596
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: you're gonna get your calls returned quicker or just in general,

597
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: whereas you you know you might not, I mean even

598
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: at the Boston Globe, I did. So I think I

599
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: was very fortunate to start my career at the Boston

600
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: Globe and then at ESPN because it accelerated those relationships,

601
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Speaker 4: that process of building relationships.

602
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Speaker 2: How do you how does get into school work? Like

603
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: you just get someone's I'm right, call them and be like, hey, man,

604
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: tell me what's going on with Lebron or is it like,

605
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, you take somebody out the lunch, you know

606
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, how does that even work? Or

607
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: is it just more like when you hear something give

608
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: me a call first.

609
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh God, that's a great question. God, that's a great question.

610
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: It's been so long since I did it, and things

611
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: are so different from when I did it. Like that's

612
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: like asking somebody, you know, so tell me how to

613
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: do a decimal system.

614
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: Tell me how like a library works. It's like, shit, man,

615
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: I ain't been in the library. Like I got the

616
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Internet now I got googled, right, I mean you got

617
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: to realize. So when I was doing it, ESPN.

618
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: Had four national NFL people, Chris Mortenson, John Clayton, Lim

619
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Speaker 4: Pascarelli and me.

620
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Other people. They I don't mean no disrespect. You had

621
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just saw pal Antonio's that did the Eagles and you know,

622
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: did Someday count down.

623
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Speaker 4: Yet you know Edward or did his thing. But like

624
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: the main national guys were the four of us. Now

625
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: there are four people covering every team just for ESPN.

626
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: Like the industry and the Internet has exploded. With reporters,

627
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: with insiders, you know, like when I was doing it,

628
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: NFL network was a new and novel thing, you know.

629
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Speaker 4: You know, it's just there was no social media, you know,

630
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: there were no.

631
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Speaker 1: There were And not only was there no social media,

632
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: there were no team media departments like talking about it, damn.

633
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: So the mainstream media in those days had still had

634
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: a level of not only power and authority, but exclusivity

635
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 4: to content that doesn't exist as much now, if that

636
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: makes sense.

637
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Speaker 1: So I say all that to say.

638
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: Of it was the sources were as invested in these

639
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: relationships as you are. But it's really like the process

640
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: of doing it at its still even now, you know,

641
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: all these years later, at a basic level, this relationship

642
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: building and trust building. So I was always a guy,

643
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: like I said, like if if there was any event

644
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: going on.

645
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Speaker 1: And people were going to be there, I show up

646
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: on my office and I show up not wanting anything.

647
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: I just show up to just show my face and

648
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: have people get to know me and develop a rapport.

649
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: Because first you got develop a rapport and develop a

650
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: relationship that you developed trust and so like one of

651
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: the I remember one of the best things I did.

652
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny how everything kind of comes back

653
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: to Connecticut for me. Maybe I guess I was always

654
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: meant to be here, you know. I remember when I

655
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: was covering the Patriots, they were obviously notoriously a notoriously

656
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: tight ship, and you had to find ways to break

657
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 4: down that wall, and it develop sources and I requested

658
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: to talk to Eric Mangini and at the time, he

659
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: was a secondary coach.

660
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: He was a defensive back coach. But young guy, up

661
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: and coming, smart guy.

662
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: You know, I had, you know, different teams around the

663
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: league were trying to hire him for coordinator jobs or whatever.

664
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 4: So I requested the tall to him and it was granted,

665
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: and I said to him, I was like, look, man,

666
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: sometimes it's just shooting your shout. I was like, look man,

667
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: I know the rules around here, I know it works.

668
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: But I love to keep in touch with you. You know,

669
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: I won't sell you out, but I just love to

670
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: polish every now.

671
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: And gave me his number, and there was only so

672
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: much he could give me, right, But like I remember.

673
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: He had a he does a he still does it.

674
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: He is a foundation that does a football camp every June.

675
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: And I've never seen that many kids at a football

676
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: camp before. It's like thousands of kids out there playing

677
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: football at Bulkley High schooling and in downtown Hartford. I

678
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: went and everybody who was anybody was at this camp.

679
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: I think Belichick might have been there, but Belichick was there.

680
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: Dante Scarneck, Get the offensive line coach for a long time,

681
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: was there. Rob Ryan was there. Rex Ryan was there,

682
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: Marvin Lewis was there. So I go there and all

683
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: these people are seeing me in his setting and I'm

684
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: not going there with a taper, corridor camera or notebook.

685
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm just going there. I'm just I'm just there like

686
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: to meet people. I would do that a lot. I

687
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: would go to I would go to the Senior Bowl,

688
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: the Combine, the owners meetings.

689
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: And the combine back then was different. It wasn't on TV,

690
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: and it was at the RCA Dome. It wasn't it

691
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: was at the RCA Dome, and it was not at

692
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 4: the Lucasol Stadium where Lucasol Stadium is like real. The

693
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: combine is confined to certain areas that media has access to.

694
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: When I was there, it was a Chileading convention and

695
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: the combine into RCA Dome and all you do is

696
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: just pull a coach aside, or you'd be a at

697
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: a you know, I would do the whole restaurant scene,

698
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 4: Saint Elmos and PF Chain's, and I'm meeting coaches and agents.

699
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: It's just it's really just getting around and just and hustling.

700
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: So that grind.

701
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: When you do that, the more it was that grind.

702
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: It's like that ship that you got to do in

703
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 4: the dark, and it's like, you know, you're going places

704
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: and taking trips and living on the road and you know,

705
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: and never seeing your house and you know, whatever it

706
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 4: takes to to get people to get to know you

707
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: and and develop that Roodex. But then it's just about

708
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: proving yourself. So then people pay attention to how you

709
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: go about your business, what you write, what you say,

710
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: and then sometimes and then your reputation ends up preceding you.

711
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: So then when the time comes to answer your question,

712
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: rod when the time comes, you know, either they think

713
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: to call you first, or a lot of my school

714
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: just happened because I just was working the phones, and

715
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: I was working them and so cause you know, if

716
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: you're waiting for somebody to call you to say, hey,

717
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: heads up, this is happening. Listen, maybe they do that

718
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: with Adam Schefter, but very rarely did they do that

719
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: with me. I got my shift because I earned it.

720
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he doesn't he earned that. I'm

721
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: saying I got it because I was on the phone

722
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: and then I made the school. Not made up news,

723
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: but I made the school. I was talking to somebody

724
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: and then I was like, hey, this is going on

725
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: every now and then I would get the courtesy of like,

726
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: hey this is happening.

727
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: But a lot of times that's political. And I don't

728
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: mean that in a negative way.

729
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: I mean like agents, no, like yo, we got we

730
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 4: got to fuck with Schefter, we gotta fuck with WoDES.

731
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: You know, those are the guys twenty four year old

732
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: or space that twenty four year old black dude had

733
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: to move differently, you know what I'm saying.

734
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: Like I didn't, I didn't have anybody propping me up.

735
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: I didn't have a network. ESPN didn't want me to

736
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 4: be the guy. NFL network didn't want me.

737
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: To be the guy.

738
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: I had to come in and crash that party, and

739
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: so I had to move differently. Like you know, I

740
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: go to Indianapolis and I want to meet Tony Dungee

741
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: and so Tony looking out for a young brother, same

742
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: as her Edwards did in New York, same as Marvin

743
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: did in Cincinnati. So Tony dungee. I'm in his office

744
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: for hour. We just chopping it up. He's like, you

745
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: need anything, let me know. He's like, yo, you know

746
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: what you should do. You should go down to Tampa.

747
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 4: You should go down a Tampa and meet that secondary coach.

748
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: He's up and coming. Name is Mike Tomlin. Damn like cool,

749
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: I remember the name. So I go down to Tampa.

750
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: I fly down the Tampa. John Gruten is the coach

751
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 4: at the time. One purpose and one purpose only. Like

752
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna meet.

753
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: John Grouping and make a relationship with John Gruten. I

754
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna meet Bill Parcells and have a relationship with

755
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells.

756
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 4: I was gonna meet Mike Tomlin. You know I was

757
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 4: gonna know I was. I was working on the next

758
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: tier of guys.

759
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: That's dope. That brother, that's dope.

760
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: That even in that situation that people black people looking

761
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: out for each other kind of you know what I'm saying.

762
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: Because we got us if nobody else does, how did

763
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: you what?

764
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: But it was but it was black and white though,

765
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 4: like I mean, it was just it was an age

766
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: thing too, But no, you're right about that, Like.

767
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, like black coaches for buying.

768
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: Large will look out for black media because they know

769
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 4: that their only way of getting Black coaches and gms

770
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: know that the only way of getting recognition. More often

771
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: than not, it's about who, you know, Like white coaches

772
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: get called geniuses and they get pushed, you know, in

773
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: the media for jobs because you know, either their friends

774
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: with those report orders or their agents of friends with

775
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 4: those reporters.

776
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: It's no different than like black owned business.

777
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 4: It's like, so you consider the black coaching and general

778
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: manager fraternity of business, it's like who are your customers

779
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 4: gonna be? Who's gonna get the word out about it?

780
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: Black media? But for me, it was not just it

781
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: was not just cultivating relationships with with up and coming

782
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: black coaches or established black coaches.

783
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: It was younger coaches. You know, I mentioned Eric Mangini.

784
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: Like identifying who's gonna be next, Like Okay, Ozzie knew

785
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: some great Hey, Ozzie, nice to meet you, the wizard,

786
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 4: best GM in the league, Hall of Famer. Oh, who's

787
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: your director of Uh? Who's your who's your Director of

788
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: college Scotic Eric DaCosta. Okay, cool, now, I'm tight with Eric.

789
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: Eric's been the GM for the you know what I'm saying,

790
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Like Eve, next to identifying who's next had to be

791
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: my strategy because the establishment was not gonna check for me.

792
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had a question.

793
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, how did your wife

794
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 5: adjust to all the traveling and you're constantly being gone

795
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: and all and those types of things.

796
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh, there is a go ahead.

797
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What did you say?

798
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: How did your wife handle all the traveling and all

799
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 5: the long.

800
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: Hours and weekends?

801
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: Because you know, when you're in the marriage, it's a

802
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 5: give and take, like how how did you find that

803
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: balance between you being dedicated to your job and also

804
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: satisfying the needs at home with you?

805
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: He was taking other Paris, Karen.

806
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if she can't appreciate that, she can't appreciate it. Man,

807
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: what's the man supposed to do just because he in

808
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: a bad moves.

809
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: Such a it's such a great question. It really is

810
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: a great question. And that was when we were dating.

811
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: So we got married in.

812
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: July two thousand and five, so I was I was

813
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: fairly new to ESPN, still coming to the NFL uh.

814
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: We had our first kid in May of two thousand

815
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and six, very early on. And my wife, she's the

816
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: more educated between the two of us. She's an educator,

817
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: educator by trade, if you will. She made the decision

818
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: in the termination we were blessed enough to where my

819
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: income was enough to be able to do it, that

820
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: she was going to be a stay at home mom.

821
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: That was challenging for her because she comes from a

822
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: family of like workers. You know, her dad, her grandfather

823
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 4: founded a moving company.

824
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: Her dad is running a moving company like she works.

825
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: So the idea of not going to work and taking

826
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: care of home and taking care of the kids was

827
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: difficult for her, even though it was what needed to

828
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: be done based on our dynamic.

829
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: That was hard.

830
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 4: That's just not how she was raised. And also there

831
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: was a worse stigma. It's gotten better, but there's always

832
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: been an unfair stigma attached to stay at home parents,

833
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: mothers in particular right as if their job as if

834
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: first of all, as if you're calling in your career

835
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: need to be validated by a paycheck from somebody else.

836
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: That's number one like a job, ain't your calling?

837
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: And I tell her right now, like she's like, you know,

838
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: I think I might get a job. I'm like for what,

839
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 4: Like you know, so I can be like, now we

840
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 4: have three hundred million and seventy dollars, you know, like

841
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: you don't need to we don't need extra money like

842
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: number one. Number two, it's like, yo, you don't need

843
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: to get a check to feel like you're doing something right.

844
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 4: But back then it was worse because it was like

845
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: the paranoia of like, oh, you know, I'm a cliche

846
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 4: or I'm a stereotype, or I'm at home and I'm

847
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: not I'm not bringing home the bacon.

848
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: It's like, but this house don't function if you're not.

849
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: You know what's you know what's real fucked up about

850
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: that too?

851
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Childcare costs a fucking mortgage now, yes it does.

852
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: So it's really funny when people.

853
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Are like, wow, she's just a stay at home mom.

854
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, well do you know how much it

855
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: costs to drop your kid off?

856
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 5: Like it ain't send my salary, so the money that

857
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 5: I will make my check will be literally giving straight

858
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: to daycare.

859
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the labor for.

860
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: One of them people.

861
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: The people who say you're just a stay at home mom.

862
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: I would add to that, that's a good point. You're

863
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: just a stay at home mom. Ona stay on that

864
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: or whatever. It's like, Clearly you ain't never watch no kids.

865
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: Clearly the times when I had to do that, ship I.

866
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: Couldn't last half a day, right, Like like me watching

867
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: the kids is like all right, look, go y'all go

868
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: watch Teve.

869
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if it was up to me,

870
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how my kids would have eaten. My

871
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: kids would have not eaten at all healthy if it.

872
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: Was up to me, be eating a hamburger helpers and noodles.

873
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Like I had an uncle fucking cereal. Yeah, cereal dinner

874
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: to night, you got a cook hamburger helper. No, they

875
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: eating cereal.

876
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: We stayed with my We stayed with my uncle one weekend. Man,

877
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: it was like a big thing.

878
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: That he made hamburger helper like we were celebrating and

879
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: me and my brother was like, whoa we get hamburger

880
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: help he tonight?

881
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: Man, he gonna he throwing down. Boy, he doing something.

882
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: My mom probably would have been like, if y'all don't

883
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: take this sodium and throw this shit in the you're

884
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: trying to.

885
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: Kill my kids and like and Mike for us, I

886
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 5: think when you talk about stay at home person, like

887
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: when Roderick's works the podcast and he works from the

888
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 5: house and I work outside of the house. We're both

889
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 5: at home now because of COVID, And it's amazing at

890
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 5: how people look at him staying at home versus me,

891
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 5: Like he stays at home, he washes the clothes, you know,

892
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 5: and dishes and things like that, and I'm outside of

893
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: the house. Because it was like, you're going for eight

894
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 5: hours a day, it would make no sense for you

895
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 5: to come home, will have to turn around do these extra.

896
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: It was weird because people would be like, you cook,

897
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, one of us is at home, so

898
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: then that person should probably make the food regardless of

899
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: like it's like bonus credit, like so you bet you

900
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: be voting the clothes.

901
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: See, I wear the clothes, so it would make sense that.

902
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: If I'm gonna watch the cla I want to watch

903
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: all the clothes. But it is kind of this weird thing.

904
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: Dudes get a pat on the back that women definitely

905
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: don't well.

906
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: One hundred percent percent, and it's like but it's like

907
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 4: you damn if you do, damn if you don't. Right again,

908
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: far being for me to speak for women, but like,

909
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: but if you're a working woman, oh well you're neglecting.

910
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Your kids or or how you're taking care of home,

911
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: like what you want me to do?

912
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's like from a dude's standpoint, Man,

913
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: I just respect that so much because that's more masculine

914
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: in society. Will ever get you credit for it? Like

915
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: to be able to say, this is what my marriage needs,

916
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: this is what my household needs, to be able to

917
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: not have that, you know, have your identity, your masculine

918
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: identity tied up and going to work and making money, let.

919
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Alone more money. It's like, you know, it's a partnership.

920
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't cook because I can't cook.

921
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: And I'll tell my wife all the time, I don't

922
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: expect you to cook out it. I'm not gonna ask

923
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: you some shit. I ain't doing it right, you know

924
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I'll figure I'll figure it out.

925
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I'll find some need like but do not feel compelled

926
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to cook, you know, but I don't subscribe to gender

927
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: norms like that. I think we're getting better generally, but

928
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: there's still some ways to go on at but like

929
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: the travel was a headache because it wasn't just like

930
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: there's so that's my deep days travel when I was

931
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: going in the games every weekend, I was going to

932
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: facilities all week or Super Bowl for you know, a

933
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: couple of weeks at a time or whatever. That was

934
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: hard on the relationship, especially when we had kids, because

935
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: now she's by herself and just not even really dealing

936
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: with adults.

937
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: But the real challenge and the real awakening for me

938
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: was so from twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, I was

939
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: living in Massachusetts for working at ESPN and Connecticut, so

940
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: I was commuting five days a week, and then once

941
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 4: I got out of commuting five this week, I would

942
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: like stay at a hotel a couple of nights out

943
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: the week in Bristol, because where I lived in Massachusetts

944
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: was about two hours each way, so like going around

945
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: trip every day, this was too much, So I would

946
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 4: you know, this is when I started doing numbers, never lie.

947
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: And what I had to learn was, you know, I

948
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: had to understand I couldn't take my work home with me,

949
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: you know, like I was always there for the important

950
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: shit because I was never gonna.

951
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: Let work get in a way of being there when

952
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: my kids were growing up, or being at home with

953
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: my family. But I had the habit of walking in

954
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: on the phone, sitting at the table on the phone,

955
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: not giving her the attention that she needed, and worse,

956
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: getting defensive when she called me on it. What do

957
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: you want from me? I'm doing the best I can, right,

958
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just young and dumb, just not knowing

959
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: no better, you know. But you know, I realized that

960
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: I had to listen to her and understand where she

961
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: was coming from. That she just wanted more of me.

962
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: She wasn't asking for much, she just wanted more of

963
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: a husband. Right, So that's all that's all I had

964
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: to which is what you promised, that balance. That's what

965
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you promised when you was on the altar. You know,

966
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: it's like nobody ever, you know, it's like you know,

967
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: people don't think about it, but it can be little

968
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that that just creep in, you know what

969
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean, where it's like the way you felt everything

970
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: you promised and pledged, you could mean all that shit

971
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: and then just five years in, work has got you

972
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: stressed about this, kids got us stressed about that. Now

973
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: you know you're on the phone trying to get the

974
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: scoop from you know, Tom Koughlin or some shit, and

975
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: it's just like, damn, is this more important that you

976
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?

977
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: Like you already traveling every day. That's a lot.

978
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: And she did a great job of like giving me

979
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: the space to be my best and she understood how

980
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: important to was to me. Like it's I like to

981
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 4: joke that it was intentional, but I don't think it's

982
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: an accident either that both my oldest two kids are

983
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 4: both born in May. Because I'm telling you, man.

984
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Draft this time of year. Yeah, I listen, I take

985
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: the Pepsi challenge.

986
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 4: I will take the Pepsy challenge with anybody when it

987
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: came to like scooping people on the fucking draft.

988
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had this ship down cold. I'd be I'd

989
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: be in the house, like locked away on the phone

990
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: with no books, full of shit, scouting reports, scoops and

991
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: conversations just like this was my time of year. But

992
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: she give me my space to do it. Man.

993
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the draft is coming up? What this week?

994
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: Like?

995
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: Is it starting tomorroworrow?

996
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

997
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: Panthers, Just I just found out we traded away Teddy Bridgewater.

998
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: We're from Charlotte, North Carolina. I just I just found

999
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: out we hated.

1000
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: Away right right as I literally hit click the start

1001
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: to show. That was like, what the fuck? So we

1002
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: got the quarterback from the Jets? Okay, and we got

1003
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: the pick in the draft. So who were getting Mike?

1004
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: Who we thinking?

1005
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: What are we doing Tono Tomorrow, I'll tell you I

1006
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing because I ain't working like that.

1007
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: What they should do? Tell what they should do.

1008
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 4: I was if I was in franchise mode with the Panthers,

1009
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: and if.

1010
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I was building the Panther, that is what I would do.

1011
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: I would trade back because I think Donald got a

1012
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: raw deal in New York. I think Donald has some potential.

1013
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: He got him for one year because they give up

1014
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: a second round pick next year to get him.

1015
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: That ain't nothing. That's not nothing. So I would roll

1016
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 4: with Donald this year. Trade back from eight to some

1017
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 4: team that wants a quarterback. Maybe it's the Patriots, maybe

1018
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: they want Justin Fields. If he gets to eight, trade back,

1019
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 4: the guy I would be thinking about is already in

1020
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: your backyard.

1021
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: I'd be trying to get Sam Howell next year. I'll

1022
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: be I'll be thinking about if Darnald don't work, I

1023
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: get the North Carolina quarterback next year, because he's supposed

1024
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: to be the guy next year. Yeah, you know, okay,

1025
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: so I'll be I'll be thinking about him.

1026
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely need a quarterback. We do, because I

1027
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: just can't see it ain't the same since Cam left,

1028
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Like even broke down Cam was better than what we

1029
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: was getting.

1030
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: Out there this year.

1031
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: He made he made him relevant they haven't been before since.

1032
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, like dragging one leg and then dressed like

1033
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: mister peanut after the game.

1034
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: I'll take it every week.

1035
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 5: And as and as much as they complained, his outfite

1036
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 5: was something to talk about in the city. So I

1037
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: don't care what they say. They they they miss him

1038
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 5: looking like he done went through the through the thrift store.

1039
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: Now social media has changed the game, man, and now

1040
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: you do a brother from another, so it's it's a

1041
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: more free flowing type of environment. I feel like you

1042
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: don't have to talk about sports all the time. Like

1043
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: y'all had a great episode just talking about Derek Chauvain

1044
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: and the potential verdict that was about to come down,

1045
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: and that was like kind of live that y'all even

1046
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: discussed that. Do you like, do you like that more

1047
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: to have that freedom or do you did you kind

1048
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: of like the like you know, sports angle on on on,

1049
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: on your commentary and on your show.

1050
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: No, man, like I it's it's interesting that you say that,

1051
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't know any other way to

1052
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: do it. Like, ever since I gained autonomy over the

1053
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: shows that I was doing, whether there's numbers, never lie,

1054
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: whether it's his or hers, and the cup of coffee

1055
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: you know I had on Sports Center, I've never thought

1056
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: of myself as a sports guy, and I've never thought

1057
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: I've always given a viewer more credit to think that

1058
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: the viewer could handle a variety of perspectives on a

1059
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: variety of topics. Like I'm I'm not only interested in sports. Hell,

1060
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm more interest in current events. I more interested in

1061
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: pop culture than I am in sports. You know, I like,

1062
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: I don't sit around watching the league pass every night.

1063
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: So I look like I got kids, you know what

1064
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, like I'm grown, Like you know,

1065
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm a concerned citizen, like I want to know what's

1066
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: going on in the world. I got other interests besides sports.

1067
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: So when it came down to do brother from another.

1068
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't even a conversation about what kind of conversations

1069
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: we want to have, right you know, Like I'm like.

1070
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm not doing a sports show. Like I had retired.

1071
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: I was minding my own business. I had retired from

1072
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: this shit, Like I don't need to do this anymore.

1073
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: And I told them that I don't need to do this.

1074
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 4: I've been there, done that. I was like the type

1075
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: of show when NBC came to me to do this show,

1076
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: I was like, the type of show you want to

1077
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 4: do in twenty twenty one, I was doing five six

1078
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 4: years ago for anybody, for anybody wanted to do it,

1079
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 4: I was doing it.

1080
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't need.

1081
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 4: To do this anymore, just because y'all ready to have

1082
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 4: the conversation like I don't need to do this. Look

1083
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 4: we're gonna do it. It ain't gonna be a sports show.

1084
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a show about whatever we care about

1085
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: that day. So there are days, there are days when

1086
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: we won't talk about sports hardly at all, and not

1087
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: just if there's a verdict in a high profile trial

1088
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Like I mean, you know, we led.

1089
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: The show with you know that that Turking episode, and uh,

1090
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I remember one day it was it was I was

1091
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: proud of this transition. I was very proud of this.

1092
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 4: Because we led the show on the anniversary with the

1093
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: anniversary of Rosa Parks not giving up our seat on

1094
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 4: the bus, and then we smoothly and seamlessly pivoted to

1095
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: that Turking episode at that restaurant in Dallas.

1096
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: Yes, same segment. I was so proud. It was just,

1097
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about superhero stuff, Comico talking and

1098
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: Winter Soldier, we talk about movies, we talk about fatherhood,

1099
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: we talk about relationships, we tell stories, we talk about politics,

1100
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: we talk about whatever's on our mind. That yeah, because

1101
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we like to bring our whole

1102
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: selves and be whole people.

1103
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: And I thought it was I think it's interesting too,

1104
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: because when you were doing the six, when you were

1105
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 2: doing His and Hers, I felt like you were always

1106
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: kind of doing that, And it's been interesting to watch

1107
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: the media landscape kind of catch up the where you left,

1108
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, like, I feel like

1109
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: y'all got penalized for being ahead of everybody, but that

1110
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: was clearly where everything was going.

1111
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: And now when you look at like not just TV,

1112
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: but just the.

1113
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: General like consumption of media through social media and all

1114
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: that stuff. It's a lot of just topical pop culture

1115
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: blend blend of stuff, you know what I mean.

1116
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: Even sports itself.

1117
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: It was I always thought it was really messed up

1118
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: what happened with y'all in the six because it was

1119
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: like the same channel that does like a thirty for

1120
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: thirty about like at the Olympics, they raised the black

1121
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: power fish.

1122
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: Like you can't laud that type.

1123
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: Of uh stuff in sports, but at the same time,

1124
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: we don't want you to do that on that and

1125
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: we want you to talk about it, you know. Can

1126
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: you just kind of.

1127
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: It's pretty inconsistent, doesn't it.

1128
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: It does?

1129
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's uh. Listen. I mean i'd be lying

1130
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: to you if I had said.

1131
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: I noticed, yeah, especially this past summer. You know, I

1132
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 4: was like, Oh, I'm like, I'm like, I'm on enough

1133
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 4: to remember, uh, and y'all want to stick.

1134
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,959
Speaker 2: To sports, y'all to y'all too, like you, I'm looking

1135
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: at the commercials and I'm just I'm just like, man, y'all.

1136
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's just like if somebody does something and

1137
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: it's just like, you know, like y'all got.

1138
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: To know how this looks? Right, but it's mean. But

1139
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: they don't care. They don't care. I mean, you know,

1140
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: it's and and and what what what? What else? Is

1141
00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: nobody cares?

1142
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 4: Right, you know, like not only do not they don't

1143
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: care about the hypocrisy.

1144
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: They don't care. Oh, look, given the narrative around what

1145
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: we were doing. But people move on and people keep

1146
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: keep it moving and the show goes on. So it

1147
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: is what it is. But yeah, I mean it is

1148
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: interesting now in a short time, the industry has evolved.

1149
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: Uh and I'd even go so far as to say

1150
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: the world in the in the like athletes changed in

1151
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: our lifetime.

1152
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1153
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: We went from and I know he did this is

1154
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: not a direct quote and he didn't really say this,

1155
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: but you know, Republicans by sneakers to supposedly for Michael

1156
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: Jordan's We went from that to uh, oh we might

1157
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: have lost Mike caught up. Let me pause this recording

1158
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: real quick, all right, you.

1159
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Could just do it audio because yeah, yeah, my phone died.

1160
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you. I'll tell you to get

1161
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: back on.

1162
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're still rolling. I just started recording back.

1163
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: So look in the background y'all don't notice because you're

1164
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: in the audio later. But Mike's phone died right as

1165
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: I was about to put the man on blast with

1166
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: the conspiracy against Black America and the athlete. The Russians

1167
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: came in and shut it down. So he called back

1168
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: and we got it back. But the point I was

1169
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: gonna make was just that y'all were so ahead of

1170
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: the game.

1171
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: I feel like sports.

1172
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: Changed on your watch, Like the biggest voices in sports

1173
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: started talking about this shit, and it was the biggest

1174
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: stories in sports. So it's like impossible to not cover,

1175
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: like you it would be. Yeah, literally, it's literally impossible

1176
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: to not cover like Black Lives Matter, but also somehow

1177
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: covered the NBA. It's impossible, and y'all were on the

1178
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: forefront of that.

1179
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: Man.

1180
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: I always felt like, you know, I hope, I mean,

1181
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: I hope y'all felt like y'all got y'all flowers from

1182
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: the community, even if it felt like y'all kind of

1183
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: got punished for that.

1184
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Shid that. Man. I think what it I think it's

1185
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: I think Trump was really the thing. I think it's

1186
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: a it's a convergence of things. Is social media where

1187
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: you had, you know, athletes and entertainers in general, but

1188
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: athletes in particular, uh, just feeling more empowered and less

1189
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: filtered and you know, direct uh dialogue with their fans

1190
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: and their followers. So that's one part of it, uh

1191
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: And well actually that's part one A, Part Part one B.

1192
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: Social media specifically when it comes to, uh, the issue

1193
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: of police brutality, like this is not the conversation that

1194
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: it is. This is not the topic that it is

1195
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: without camera phones like this ships been going on in

1196
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: our community just the beginning of times, the dawn of

1197
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: this country, but it's more pronounced and it's more spotlighted

1198
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: because we're in an era of social media and camera phones.

1199
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: Where Darnella Fraser hitting record sends the Derek sends Derek

1200
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: Shavin a trial in a way that when he does

1201
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: this ten years ago, it's the police report that it

1202
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: was a medical incident, nobody challenges it. So I think

1203
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: part of it is just we're just in a different

1204
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: day and age and is a different.

1205
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 4: Type of accountability taking place just on that specific issue.

1206
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: But even politically, previous presidents were a little more subtle

1207
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 4: and a little more nuanced with their racism and their

1208
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 4: white supremacy.

1209
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: Just a little bit. This president, especially on the heels

1210
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: of Barack Obama, where you know, the most controversial thing

1211
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: that Barack Obama did was wear a tan suit. This,

1212
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: this last president was was so intentionally divisive. And you know,

1213
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: actually I take that back. I'm sorry, let me take

1214
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: that back, because divisive would suggest that we were united

1215
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: to begin with, Like, you can't devise something that ain't

1216
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: together to begin with. Like this president literally just brought

1217
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: to the forefront all the ship that had always been

1218
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: beneath sometimes beneath the surface, like I like, I like

1219
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: to say, you know, Donald Trump just took the took

1220
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: the white sheet off of America. That's all he did.

1221
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: He took the sheet off, like it just we're not

1222
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: hiding this no more. This is who we are. And

1223
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: so you can to your point, wheight, athletes could not

1224
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: sit on the sideline. They couldn't sit this one out, Nobody,

1225
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: you just couldn't. It would just be it would be

1226
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: a dereliction of your duty as a citizen to sit

1227
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: it out, because fit these things out, you know. So yeah, man,

1228
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say the world change and

1229
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: sports changed with it. Sports has always been at that

1230
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: nexus and in many respects at the forefront of social change.

1231
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: Sports has driven social change. I think sports were forced

1232
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: to change, and these leagues were forced to change because

1233
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: they're athletes, you know, got sick and tired of shutting

1234
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: up and dribbling and became more empowered and emboldened to

1235
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: speak their minds and speak their truths and to represent

1236
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: their communities in a way that once upon a time

1237
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: was not only frowned upon but punished, you know.

1238
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: And then we are the children of the generation of

1239
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: the worship of Muhammad Ali, the worship of Jabbar, the

1240
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: worship of Jim Brown, the worship of the outspoken athletes

1241
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: who took the who paid the cost to speak out

1242
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: the principal people. And then it's like you get older,

1243
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: and it's like the lot of America Tales where it's

1244
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: always like in the past, we weren't ready and it

1245
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: wasn't good, but now it's all good, Right, it's all good.

1246
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: And then you go, yeah, well, I'm glad you brought

1247
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: that up because I have noticed some things and they're like, whoa, wha, whoa,

1248
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

1249
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: What are you doing? We said, it's all good. Did

1250
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: you not hear the message?

1251
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: We said? Not games.

1252
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: Let's talk. Let's stick the sports. Let's stick the sports.

1253
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: Okay, stand up with your hand on your heart, singing

1254
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: the natural anthem.

1255
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 3: Stick the sports.

1256
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: But it's the thing I don't like about the King Holland.

1257
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't like about Black History Month because it's like, Okay,

1258
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: I want to celebrate the struggle. When the ship is convenient,

1259
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: you can capitalize on it, like you know, America, White

1260
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: people corporate America whatever you want, like love to capitalize

1261
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: and monetize off the struggle that they created. You know,

1262
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's such a it's like, okay, it's let's

1263
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: get this straight. Like you.

1264
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 4: You build this nation on the back of black people.

1265
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: You rob it from Native American people, you build it

1266
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 4: on the back of black people, You terrorize and oppress

1267
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 4: black people. You become the richest nation in the world

1268
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: overnight off of free labor, and now the struggle and

1269
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: the chronicling of the struggle, you're now profiting from it.

1270
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 4: They like, they ain't slick, like these these media companies,

1271
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 4: these networks, these corporations, they ain't slick. All they're doing

1272
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 4: and all they've ever done is was good for business.

1273
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 4: They're always going to do what's good for business first

1274
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 4: and foremost, and right now, it is good for business

1275
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 4: to be.

1276
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: On the right side of history. Right, that's profitable, it's

1277
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: profitable for them when it wasn't profitable, when it wasn't

1278
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: profitable to have these conversations on sports networks, when it

1279
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: wasn't popular and comfortable and convenient to bring attention to

1280
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: these issues and shut it down. Yep. I mean, it

1281
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: is so shitty to watch the NFL have It takes

1282
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: all of us in the zone or in racism on

1283
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: the back of helmets, you know, or or put out

1284
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: statements just like man, keep that ship, keep that ship,

1285
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: and we know what, we know what you' all about.

1286
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the NFL.

1287
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: The thing that that's so interesting about it is because.

1288
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: That's just one example.

1289
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: It's just one example, exact one, the one.

1290
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the NBA is as much as we think

1291
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: the NBA is progressive, it's like so so black lives

1292
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: only mattered in the bubble, just so we're clear, like

1293
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: like just you put that ship on the court in

1294
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: the bubble, but we ain't wa ain't we ain't really

1295
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: with that and in these in these actual stadiums next season,

1296
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: as a one off, you know.

1297
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 3: Y'all always had.

1298
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's the NFL is interesting because

1299
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Speaker 2: I do feel like their front office and some of

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: the people that work there would love to be on

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: the side right side of history, as you said, even

1302
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: if it's for profit in a cynical way, or even

1303
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: if it's genuine in a not cynical way.

1304
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: But it really tells you who's.

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: The boss, right, because the people with the money are

1306
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: the owners of the teams. It's not the like Roger

1307
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: Goodell may have been seen as the principal when he

1308
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: and he played into that when he got that job,

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: but he's not the principal of them owners, you know

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like they was some like, man,

1311
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: we not like we're not hiring, you know. And then

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: the thing with the NBA that I think is so

1313
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: interesting though, is like I think the curve we're grading

1314
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: them on is the giant corporate American curve, which is

1315
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: why they are like this is the most progressive league.

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, if you graded by what the other options, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, absolutely, but only to a point. And all

1318
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Speaker 1: of all of it is, all of it is is

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Speaker 1: performative to an extent, you know, because even because even

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Speaker 1: the canceling of games, you know, like when they when

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Speaker 1: they canceled the games in Minnesota in anticipation of the

1322
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Speaker 1: Shavin verdict, Like like, what what did that accomplish? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, everybody did a mental health day,

1324
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, even when Jacob Blake got shot in Kenosha.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't blame the players for walking out,

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: but I was like they came back, you know, like

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Speaker 1: we all went back to work. You know. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like so a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of what these leagues are doing, they're only gonna go

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01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: so far. They only gonna do that, which is optically effective.

1331
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Speaker 1: But that's why I thought. I thought MLB's moved to

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01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: pull the All Star game was probably about it as

1333
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: significant as as far as they could be expected to go,

1334
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: because now you're playing with the Turkey's money, and and

1335
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: and and the backlash came with it, the expected backlash

1336
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: came with it, because that goes beyond just a statement

1337
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 1: and very a very neutral, benign milk toe statement. That's actual,

1338
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: that's actual financial effect, even though it's an exhibition and

1339
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: nobody's entitled to an exhibition, you know what I mean,

1340
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: And the Georgia economy was counting on that ship.

1341
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: Right well, to be fair, like I think I'm still

1342
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: in the cynical place enough to be impressed, you know

1343
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like I'm like, I'm such a cynical person,

1344
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn.

1345
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 1: Y'all okay, expecting that right.

1346
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: Like I was stuck on the.

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: Exactly I was stuck at like, yeah, they probably not

1348
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna do nothing. And then when they was like we

1349
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: moving the game, I'm like I would move to go

1350
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: post on y'all, but well played, I'm gonna leave y'all alone.

1351
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: That was a good one. Nobody saw that coming.

1352
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: Been from MLB exactly one hundred percent, Like, man, listen.

1353
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: Only thing would have been more impressive than that, as

1354
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: if Augusta would have tried to do something.

1355
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: Right, the Masters.

1356
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 5: Would have came out of be like, oh, it's the

1357
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 5: Masters moving.

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 3: Listen.

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01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: If the Masters would have said, even if they would

1360
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: have been like, we've taken we're setting it a week back,

1361
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: if they would have said, if they would have said

1362
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: we starting thirty minutes late, I would have been like, what.

1363
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: We're going to turn Augusta into a voting boot.

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01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah damn, you don't care.

1365
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 4: Please, Yeah, that would have That would have been some

1366
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 4: stop the press and stuff right there.

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always thought that.

1368
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 2: I said this years ago, but I thought the.

1369
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: War over kneeling was over.

1370
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Speaker 2: I want to say, like three weeks in the Kaepernick's protest.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: Three weeks in the Kaepernick I want to say the

1372
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: year he was the first year, so the year that

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: he went from sitting to kneeling. Three weeks later, all

1374
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 2: the people came out, including owners who you know, didn't

1375
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: believe in that shit taking knees, and I was like,

1376
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: it's over. They killed it because it because they killed

1377
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: what it meant. Yeah, now, because then it turned into

1378
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: like it's about unity and it's about the president can't

1379
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: tell us what to do and call us sons of bitches.

1380
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 2: And it's like, well that's not as own what this was.

1381
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: The power isn't.

1382
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so back, No, it's you know it best they

1383
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: were performative. It just became more about who's kneeling and

1384
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: who's not kneeling versus why they're kneeling, And it was

1385
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was not supposed to be a group presentation.

1386
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: It's not a group project. You know what I mean,

1387
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: it's not it became. It became something. It's supposed to

1388
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable, but it's also supposed to be personal. It's

1389
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: supposed to be personal. Like the point is to inconvenience

1390
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: and to draw attention to Now even to draw attention

1391
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: to part I struggle with because it ain't like these

1392
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: people don't know what's happening, you know, like, oh, it's

1393
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: we want to start a conversation. Yeah, but we can

1394
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: have a conversation because one side lives in a different

1395
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: reality and doesn't believe despite what's being captured on film,

1396
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: despite the statistics, despite facts, they don't believe that this

1397
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: is an actual issue. So like, there's no conversation to

1398
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,480
Speaker 1: be had with these people. We're having a conversation among ourselves.

1399
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: But there are certain people that are just not willing

1400
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: or able, let alone ready to have that cover that's

1401
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: so called conversation. Now to mention, my humanity is not

1402
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: a conversation. That's not u for discussions a conversation. Also

1403
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: suggested there's two sides to this ship.

1404
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: The exactly you know, like you to be so distant

1405
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: from the you have to be so distanced from it

1406
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: to even approach it with that type of academic understanding.

1407
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, it reminds me of.

1408
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: Like the nineteen let's talk about it.

1409
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me like the early nineteen hundreds when

1410
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: it would be like the Negro problem. You know, it's

1411
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: like like.

1412
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 5: No, man, this this is my life and this is

1413
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 5: something that you created.

1414
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my life. So I would like to

1415
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: call it something else is like the Negro. We'll talk

1416
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: to some scholars, We'll have James James Baldwin will come on,

1417
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: and it will have someone from the Klan and they

1418
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: don't have a debate, like no.

1419
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: Yes, oh I remember, I remember. This is like it's

1420
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: one of the many ways. It's like, you know, we

1421
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: ain't long for this ship like this, this ain't gonna work.

1422
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: I remember we were doing Sports Center trying to get

1423
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: us to have little kine on. I was like, oh what,

1424
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: no talk why? Like why?

1425
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh God?

1426
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: Just for the other.

1427
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: No, oh we lose Mike Uh I heard, so he's

1428
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: still on the line.

1429
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: Uh mikey dare.

1430
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: Truth?

1431
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 3: Too much truth? Okay? Right now he was preaching truth, not.

1432
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: Too much truth? Right now?

1433
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: Great, he was preaching They said, hold up.

1434
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: Phones, they got our phone tapp SBI over from Beyond

1435
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: the Graves. They got they got on the phone tap

1436
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: right now. Seriously, No, it's like, look, you know, it's

1437
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: just it was It's just not a debate and as

1438
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: long as it could is be a debating discussion and

1439
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: even conversation is counterproductive, just nothing to converse about. But anyway, Yeah,

1440
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: it's like but once once it's started to become you know,

1441
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: this team demonstration, and we're gonna like, oh, then we're

1442
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna not were gonna lock arms because that's less divisive, Like, well,

1443
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: you that's the teas the purpose.

1444
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: This was about how divided we are people.

1445
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like they talked to Kaepernick after the game.

1446
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: He didn't say, I just did it because I think

1447
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: people believe we're divided and I think we should all

1448
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: hold hands. Like he wasn't saying that shit. But that's

1449
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: what it became. And it felt like ever since that point,

1450
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: which was really near the beginning of us all, it

1451
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: just became a whole different discussion for everybody where it's like, no,

1452
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: it's about Nila, don't kneel, And it's like, well okay,

1453
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm kneeling. Well, no, Niel, the right way you know what,

1454
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: you're not kneeling for what we told it to kneel for.

1455
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: It's like what is happening? And it was really telling.

1456
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: It was really telling to the treatment that y'all got

1457
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 2: where people would be like, stick to sports or stop

1458
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: talking politics. Because Will Caine, as you said, was also

1459
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: on the air at the time and he's now like

1460
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 2: a Fox newsperson. He wasn't catching the stick to sports.

1461
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: Why are you making it political? It was just like, well,

1462
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: that's just his opinion.

1463
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 5: You know.

1464
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they never never never caught that. I mean,

1465
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: I was just I was, I rolled my eyes the

1466
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: other day and Brett Fauk like he was talking stick

1467
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: the sports the other day, you know what I mean.

1468
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: And they always talk about how I go to sports

1469
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: for a distraction, a distraction from what This ain't your reality,

1470
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: you don't need to be distracted. Yeah, it's like, you know,

1471
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: I go to sports for distraction. But then when the

1472
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: shopping Verdert happened, he's like, I don't think he intentionally,

1473
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: you know, meant to kill George Floyd. And I'm well, look,

1474
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: you're entitled to your opinion, dumb ass, though it is

1475
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: entitled to your opinion. But don't sit up there and

1476
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about stick the sports to be critical of the

1477
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: Lebron James of the world, and then turn around and

1478
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: when you feel like it, you know, give you a

1479
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: take on on social issues. It's like and it goes

1480
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: back what you said earlier, right, It's like the same

1481
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: people that talk about stick to sports will post a

1482
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: picture of a doctor king for the holiday with something

1483
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know, some some safe quote. Or they'll

1484
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: talk about how much they love Muhammad, which.

1485
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 5: Is funny because they didn't start loving their brother that

1486
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 5: he couldn't talk no more.

1487
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, he.

1488
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: Was dead exactly, you know, but they love they love

1489
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: him comfortable.

1490
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: I remember getting Black History Moth and they teach us

1491
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: about rotin Luther King and then I'll be like.

1492
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 3: Cool, so when can we meet him?

1493
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, yeah, about that.

1494
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 3: We wasn't We wasn't.

1495
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: Really on his side. So so you worked at ESPN.

1496
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 3: Were you working there when like Jalen Rose got there?

1497
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1498
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: Was it intimidating that you didn't went the second best

1499
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: hairline at the at the company? So you got yeah,

1500
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: I got you second, man, you was first. For a

1501
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: long time, I felt like you was running the things,

1502
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: and then Jalen showed up, and I feel.

1503
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: Like, what so, what's so? So? What so what you think?

1504
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: I mean, M so clearly all right, you don't answers then,

1505
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: like you go with that so huptible for him, because

1506
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean that anything to genetically as my hairline.

1507
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I got you, I got you ahead he hasn't, right,

1508
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: But I just want you to know I got you

1509
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,839
Speaker 2: ahead of Dion Sanders, I got you ahead of ray Lewis.

1510
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: So I'm not you know what I'm saying.

1511
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 1: Wait, I can't be, but you got me. You compared

1512
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,839
Speaker 1: me to people playing the steroid.

1513
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you're clean, honestly.

1514
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: And and and just on my own, I'm out here

1515
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: hat carrying in this thing like I'm a hundred and

1516
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: seventy five pound home run. You compared me to people

1517
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: that's all there getting shot up like that ain't a

1518
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: normal headlines. And I'm not saying that Jealen is out here,

1519
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, JU said on what have you? But I'm

1520
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: just saying there's been some whispers about it. I heard

1521
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: some rumors.

1522
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, when the when the Beijing report comes out,

1523
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna look We're gonna look to see if his

1524
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: name is on it.

1525
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: Man, I mean mine is normal, Mine is always has been.

1526
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: I ain't never putting.

1527
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: None in it, no hormone, no hormones.

1528
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: Okay, it's all pure, completely organic.

1529
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,799
Speaker 2: So you ever have you ever covered a live NFL

1530
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,879
Speaker 2: draft like where they interview the players and stuff.

1531
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm always done to drive from the studio.

1532
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So because I was gonna ask you, how do

1533
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: they show prep for those questions about the most tragic

1534
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: ship that's ever happened to them players in their lives?

1535
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to that. I

1536
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: know last year they we're kind of fun that it

1537
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: was a little over bot. I remember there was some

1538
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: criticisms like, yeah, making the ship seem so sad, you

1539
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you're interesting to see if

1540
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: the uh different this time around? Yeah, I don't know.

1541
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who. Uh, I don't

1542
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: know who produces another that you know, great uh person.

1543
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: I've always been an insider.

1544
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 5: Okay, Mike, who was the person that surprised you the most?

1545
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: If you find out that they were rooting for you?

1546
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 5: You know how a lot of people root for black

1547
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 5: people when they see black people going and doing and

1548
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 5: and everybody's root for you. Who was the person that

1549
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 5: surprised you? You were like, you're rooting for me?

1550
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1551
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: A good one. That's a good one. It's gonna pick

1552
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: one person, because I'll tell you in general, Karen, I'll

1553
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: tell you in general. And if I lose, y'all, i'll

1554
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: call you that right back again. I'm just in Connecticut.

1555
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: Would you still got me? Right? Yeah?

1556
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: You still got you?

1557
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? Sorry, thank y'all for bearing with me, by

1558
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: the way with his technical difficult Yeah, I appreciate it.

1559
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some one person that shocked me.

1560
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: It never I put it into it, generally speaking. It'll

1561
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: come to me in a second. Generally speaking, it never

1562
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: ceased to amaze me that people would know me, because

1563
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't you know, when I was

1564
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: doing my thing, I never thought about who was on

1565
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: the other side, and I never thought about that being.

1566
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: I never touched any I mean, I got the significance

1567
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: of what I represented and who I am in that

1568
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: space and the platform and the conversations and the commentary.

1569
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: I knew it mattered, but I never like harmed on it.

1570
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: I never sat around and thought about I never I

1571
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: never saw myself as like a big enough dealer, important enough,

1572
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: and somebody that was important to me would watch I always.

1573
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: I just I feel like, you know, the most finite resource,

1574
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: and therefore the most valuable resource we have is our time.

1575
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: And so I've always been flattered, grateful and appreciative of anybody,

1576
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: anybody deciding to spend their time listening to or watching me,

1577
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: which is which goes back to what we talked about

1578
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: early on. It's like I don't think that alive myself

1579
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: is like somebody even though man, I've taken always making

1580
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: a point especialist. You know this, this little this little

1581
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:37,879
Speaker 1: show that I'm doing. Now, if anybody ever writes anything

1582
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: good or bad about brother from another, I'm like, yo,

1583
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: thank you for watching, thank you for listening, and thank

1584
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: you for taking the time to write. Like I've come

1585
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: to I've come to even look at haters differently, like

1586
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: I'll look at I look at look at criticism differently,

1587
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: because that's like I don't know about everybody else, but

1588
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: like I don't have time to stop and type some

1589
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: shit to somebody that sent or did something I don't like.

1590
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't care like that, you know

1591
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like to somebody to take the

1592
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: time out to even experience criticism or even hate. I'm like,

1593
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 1: you know what, thank you, thank you for paying attention.

1594
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: So I so don't have to say caring to your

1595
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: question of like, who's surprised me? Which is a really

1596
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,879
Speaker 1: good one, because it's kind of stumping me. Anytime somebody

1597
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: that I checked forward, like an actor or a you know,

1598
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 1: a musician, anybody that that watched me that I was

1599
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: a fan of, would always blow my mind. I'm like,

1600
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe you actually sitting around watching the ESPN

1601
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, and you're watching me or you know who

1602
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: I am. So it never ceased to amaze. The amount

1603
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: of people were tuned in at noon or ESPN too,

1604
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: never ceased to amaze.

1605
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: Were you ever like was it do athletes not count?

1606
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: So like if somebody's like, man, I saw that ship,

1607
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: you said, are you ever like, man, what you're doing watching? Uh?

1608
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean yeah, I never really had any

1609
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: conflicts with anybody that you know, saw the show that

1610
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: I can remember. I don't remember anybody being like, yeah,

1611
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: I saw that ship, you said, because I always try

1612
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: to be fair, not always nice, but fair, and maybe

1613
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I've just kind of forgotten.

1614
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: About well, if you keep, if you keep, if you keep.

1615
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Talking, athletes, it's definitely athlete definitely count like a believe

1616
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like because they don't pay attention, but they did, absolutely,

1617
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, some of them do more than others. Yeah,

1618
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, that that happened all the time. You ever

1619
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: really happened when we would go out, when girl go

1620
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: out to any vet, when I go to the super Bowl,

1621
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: or if I go to you know, the SP's or

1622
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: just really anywhere. And I don't mean, I don't mean

1623
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: to say this like to sound arrogant, but at a

1624
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: certain point it was like I stopped being surprised because

1625
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: I just realized, you know, people really fucking watch ESPN,

1626
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: and people, despite what the people at ESPN want you

1627
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: to think, you know, people really fuck with you. Boy.

1628
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: It would be good to go out and may be

1629
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: good to hit the streets because you get some love.

1630
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: You know. It was like it was like mitching Payton

1631
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: full like every now and they be like, yo, I

1632
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: just need to be around some love, that's all, you know.

1633
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: So I hit I go on the road and the

1634
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:53,480
Speaker 1: reception from either like like just everyday people or celebrities

1635
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: will be like wow, like people actually do appreciate what

1636
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: I do despite all the shit that I'm dealing with

1637
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: on the inside. If I had to just pick one

1638
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: name the person that like shock, They're like, wait, you

1639
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: actually know who I am? That has to be Obamas.

1640
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: Wait, first of all, it took you a while to

1641
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: think of the.

1642
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 5: Obama that would deck he had a roller deck.

1643
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 2: That would be a T shirt that I made, Like

1644
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: Barack and Michelle know my name.

1645
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: I've been around for a while and it's happened so often,

1646
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: so honestly, maybe like and so as I'm talking, like, wait,

1647
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: the obvious one is is Barack and Michelle like I've

1648
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: been I've been in a White House three times, you know,

1649
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I obviously not the last four years. But his director,

1650
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: his director of uh the director of black Media later

1651
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: name ad wasn't that And Addie was incredible. Addie listened

1652
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: to the His and Earth's podcast, and Addie put Addie

1653
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: put Barrock on to the His and Earth's podcast, calling

1654
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: him the Rock, like I know they put the president.

1655
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: She put the president onto and so he would listen

1656
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: to the podcast, and so she had us come and

1657
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: buy us, I mean me and Jamal. She had us

1658
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: come to the uh one of the press receptions for holidays,

1659
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: and so there's a little line. There's a there's a

1660
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: line for uh, you know people to come in and

1661
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: take a picture with them both for Christmas. And so

1662
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: we get up to the line and I had just

1663
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: had surgery, but to have my Thompson was removed. So

1664
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: the first lady says, Yo, how you feeling. How is

1665
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: your surgery? I'm like she's like, she's like, no, you

1666
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: had to councils are we were watching and we and

1667
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: we missed you on the show while you're out, like

1668
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like like they were legit, like

1669
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Barack Obama would watch his Nerves Wow and listen to

1670
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: the podcast no lie. So it just yeah, it's it's

1671
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: probably I would say that's probably the one that was

1672
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: like where are you trying to tie and to pay

1673
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: attention to what I'm doing? Uh, there's probably that that

1674
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: was the biggest.

1675
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 6: One all the time, Like I mean, actors, entertainers, you know, musicians,

1676
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 6: I mean, And it was always very humbling and mind

1677
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 6: blowing because it's people like I'm a fan of like

1678
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 6: I'm a legit fan.

1679
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is not just like, oh yeah, I'll

1680
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: watch it, you do a good job. It's that they

1681
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: treat you like a peer, like they make you like

1682
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: like I'm not, I'm not like you.

1683
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Don't like like.

1684
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Like, you know, Michael B. Jordan like no, we to

1685
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: say talking to me like that, you know what I mean?

1686
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of Michael B. Jordan, I was I

1687
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: got the cast to meet briefly, you know, it wasn't

1688
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: we didn't talk extensively, but Chadwick Golseman before he passed away.

1689
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like it's like stuff like that and

1690
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: people that you grew up watching that you that you

1691
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: grew up you know, listening to that music or watching

1692
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: their movies. You know, they talked to you like like

1693
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: you matter like damn you know. So yeah, man, Like

1694
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, I could I could go on on, and

1695
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: if I thought about it, a lot of the names

1696
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: would would you know, it would come to mind, But

1697
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,839
Speaker 1: I would say the biggest is that, you know, President

1698
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: of the United States, for the fort President.

1699
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: United States, I feel like, uh at this point to

1700
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 2: write the passages to get cussed out by Kevin Durant,

1701
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: so like, no, you ain't arrived until the end. You

1702
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: gotta keep giving your sports opinions.

1703
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: Did Kevin Durant did tell me to get the funk

1704
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: off the court?

1705
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 2: Okay, you know you have that count that counts you official,

1706
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, and you sound like you got it old though.

1707
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: I was at the finals. I was at the finals

1708
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: one year and I was on the court, of course,

1709
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: around with Tremont about you shooting arab holes. He didn't

1710
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: see it directly to me, but I heard that he

1711
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: said at the on the end of the court, tuk

1712
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: off the court, which'll y'all think this is say you

1713
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: know or something like that. So he just said directly

1714
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: to me, but he said it, at least that's what

1715
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm told. Okay, I've never Kevin Durant has never cussed

1716
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: me out directly, at least that I know of. He

1717
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: ain't never slated my d MS or nothing like that.

1718
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Because I mean, if he would, if he would have,

1719
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, you would have had he lucky you didn't

1720
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: hear it.

1721
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 3: That's really what it is. You know what I'm saying.

1722
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he's lucky.

1723
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 2: He lucky you didn't hear it. He lucky that you

1724
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 2: was all the way on the other end and you

1725
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: couldn't hear it, because you know, it would have been

1726
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 2: some problem.

1727
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, the problem of God.

1728
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: Get to keep your get to keep your pride, you know,

1729
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 2: you get to keep how'd you mean how'd you meet

1730
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Michael Holly?

1731
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: Uh? He was at the Boston Globe when I got there,

1732
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: the intern and he was my mentor. He was my

1733
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: mentor you know, summer or ninety nine, and we hit

1734
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: it off and you know we would ever since. Man Like, wow, Yeah,

1735
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: it was. It's crazy that this kind of this is

1736
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: come full circle like that.

1737
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 2: You can tell on the show man like, y'all got

1738
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 2: a real rapport and you know, it sounded like and

1739
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 2: I think the best shows do that where you and

1740
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Jamail had it as well. But that thing where it's

1741
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: just like, y'all are allowing us to be a fly

1742
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: on the wall in the conversation, y'all was gonna have

1743
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: anyway right to say, y'all.

1744
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 5: Would have been talking over dinner or somewhere.

1745
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Else and you just hav to turn the mic on.

1746
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: So I love that, man, Like, that's.

1747
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: The vibe going for that's definitely vib going for or like,

1748
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: because I mean, I I approached this show that maybe

1749
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I shouldn't, you know, think like this, but I I've

1750
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: always approached it. But this show in particular, just just

1751
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: given the landscape, given that we're new, given that it's Peacock,

1752
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: it's a streaming show. I approached the show as if

1753
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: nobody's watching, it's just us, and I'm just like, I'm

1754
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: just talking to my boy, and I'm not trying to

1755
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, put on or make any kind of like

1756
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for likes or clicks or retweets

1757
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: or shares, none of that. Ship. I'm just talking to

1758
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: a boy. And it's like, if you tuck with us,

1759
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: you talk with us. If you don't, you don't know,

1760
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: it's all good. Like there's a lot of options out here.

1761
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I am. I'm past the point of Once upon a time,

1762
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, I had to think about what the audience wanted,

1763
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, because I was in the ratings business, and

1764
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had to kind of try to do

1765
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: the type of television that appeal to a broader audience.

1766
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about it brought audience, Honestly,

1767
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't care about it. I just I'm sitting down

1768
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: talking to my boy. And if somebody finds its appealing, great.

1769
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: If they don't, there's plenty of other options, you know.

1770
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm under no pressure or any kind of mandate to

1771
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: appeal to, you know, a certain demographic or hit some

1772
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: kind of numbers like I don't. I just don't care.

1773
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out of fucks to give, you know. So

1774
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: it's like I think that freedom, I think helps us,

1775
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's not just yes about this

1776
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: earlier out about you know, having these this range to

1777
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: go from current events to sports, the politics. That's not

1778
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: that's not the real freedom for me. The real freedom

1779
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 1: for me is being free from any sort of expectations,

1780
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, because because because I don't, I don't let

1781
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: them define what success looks like. And by them, I

1782
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: mean the powers that be Like, success for me is

1783
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: doing the best show we can, and that's what frustrates

1784
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: me is when we fall short of that, you know.

1785
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: But I don't look at success through the lens of

1786
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: how many viewers we have. And so because of that,

1787
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: when I sit down, I'm not thinking about who is

1788
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: or isn't watching, right, because it canna be five people,

1789
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: five million people. I'm gonna be the same person regardless.

1790
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,839
Speaker 5: Do you think that that changed after you turn forty,

1791
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 5: because I'm forty two, and from what I heard, it's

1792
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 5: just something about the age of forty, like all of

1793
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 5: a sudden, your fucks leave, if that makes sense, Like

1794
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,839
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you just stop caring about things.

1795
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 5: You just start wearing what you want to wear. You

1796
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 5: just start doing what you want to do, and somebody

1797
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 5: get an attitude you be, Like, you know what I think,

1798
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 5: once you turn forty, you in your mind, I know

1799
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 5: I'm grown, But in your mind you gonna know I'm

1800
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 5: officially grown now, Like now I can tell you how

1801
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 5: I feel and don't care about your feelings.

1802
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: I understand, and a couple of things. One of them,

1803
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: I've always been couching in my own skin. But I

1804
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: think maturity hitting that number forty definitely comes with that.

1805
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: But I would say, you know, honestly, I think it's

1806
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I think it's the way things ended at ESPN more

1807
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: than anything. I think just going through some ship and

1808
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: having having something that was never yours taken from you.

1809
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Let me say that again, having something that was never

1810
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: really yours taken from you, is a is a is

1811
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 1: a real reminder of the reality of this situation, you know.

1812
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 1: And so I went through a very very difficult, dark stretch,

1813
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: the depths of which only my wife really knows, and

1814
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: not even she don't even really know it because I don't.

1815
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: I don't always tell everything that I'm thinking, because if

1816
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I tell everything that I'm thinking, that it takes her

1817
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: to that same place she knows, but she don't know, no,

1818
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: And that's my wife, you know. So because of that,

1819
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 1: when you've when you've been, when you've been that, when

1820
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 1: you've been to the bottom, and then let me let

1821
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: me be clear on something. My bottom ain't as low

1822
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: as as it as it could have been. There's a

1823
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 1: lot of blessings for me to count while I was

1824
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: at the bottom. But when you've been to the bottom,

1825
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: it it frees you of fear. Mm hmmm, because I'm

1826
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: just at this point, I'm like, what the fuck are

1827
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: not gonna do to me? Right? Like, I mean, like,

1828
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be smart and I'm gonna move, I'm not

1829
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna cut off my nose is like my face. But

1830
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: at a certain point, exactly what can you do to

1831
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: me that that what can you take from me now?

1832
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: What can you do to me now? So I think

1833
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of my fucks left, you know,

1834
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 1: just over the last couple of years, just going through

1835
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: the fire of the fire kind of burned and away up.

1836
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: That makes up.

1837
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1838
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: I think also like that this is the age where

1839
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 2: you get to know and value yourself and you see like,

1840
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 2: this is who I am, and this is my value system,

1841
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 2: and the confidence to be like this isn't bad, you

1842
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1843
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: I feel like for a long period of.

1844
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Time, especially good people, good people kind of look for

1845
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: outside validation like am I.

1846
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: Doing the right thing?

1847
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 5: Am I?

1848
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: This is this? Okay?

1849
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 3: Am I doing good?

1850
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 1: Am I?

1851
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: And then there's like a certain point where it's like, wait,

1852
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 2: I have my own eyes and ears. I've seen the

1853
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: world around me. I know the difference between good and bad,

1854
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 2: right and wrong. Do I tried my best to do right.

1855
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 2: I tried my best to do good. I tried my

1856
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 2: best to do right by people. Blah blah blah. And

1857
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 2: I think also you brought up something on your show

1858
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: that I struggled with as well, which was the accessibilit

1859
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: and the appeasement of other people. And I thought, and

1860
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 2: I think for a long time, I was really siphoning

1861
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 2: off of them value, like the same value I could

1862
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 2: have put in myself. I was trying to siphon off

1863
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 2: of them by going, look what I'm doing for you. Look, hey,

1864
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: you need me, I'm here whatever you want, you know,

1865
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: and then them.

1866
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 3: Going thank you.

1867
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 2: Was supposed to be make me feel more secure in myself,

1868
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: but I didn't need that. Really, what I really needed

1869
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: was to feel that security in myself regardless, because because

1870
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 2: if you overextend yourself, then you start to feel like.

1871
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 3: Resentment towards people that.

1872
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 2: Typically don't deserve it, or you start to feel that

1873
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 2: lack of effort that you're putting for it in other

1874
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: areas of your life, and the people that you care

1875
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 2: about that don't get it. They don't get the sunlight

1876
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 2: that they're supposed to get, you know, because you're spending

1877
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: it over exerting yourself for people that ultimately don't really

1878
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 2: matter as much as you're putting it on. So I

1879
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: think forty killed all that shit for me. Well, I

1880
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm not doing that. Everything you see

1881
01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 2: me doing is something I wanted to do.

1882
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: What Karen you talked about hitting forty and Robber just

1883
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: talked about just like you know, I think it comes

1884
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying earlier about how I

1885
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: just appreciate anybody that decides that they want to take

1886
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: time out to listen or watch me. Is like it's

1887
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: like time. And I think at forty you become more

1888
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: cognizant of time in every context, like I don't have

1889
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: time for your bullshit. I don't have time to waste

1890
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: doing some shit that I don't want to do, right,

1891
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: And so where I'm still trying to grow in terms

1892
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: of accommodating people. All accommodating people is is wasting time

1893
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: doing some shit that doesn't serve you. And I'm not

1894
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: saying that you got to be selfish and you don't

1895
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: do something to serve the greater good, serve mankind, you know,

1896
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: or serve your fellow man or woman. I'm saying, if

1897
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: you're doing some shit that don't make you happy, you

1898
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it because you ain't got time to

1899
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: be doing some shit that does that doesn't serve you exactly,

1900
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: And so it's giving shouldn't make you happy, but that

1901
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: giving makes you happy, alright, then you're good. But if

1902
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: you're giving of yourself and of your time and of

1903
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: your talents toward an end that doesn't that it is

1904
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: not yours. Then you're wasting your time and we don't

1905
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: have time to wait. We have less time to waste

1906
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: that forty than we did that twenty. So the earlier

1907
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: you can learn that lesson, the better yes.

1908
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 5: And something I had to learn is every time I

1909
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 5: say yes to something, I'm saying no to something else.

1910
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 5: And once I understood that concept, it made it easier.

1911
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 5: So it's like, Okay, do I really want to do

1912
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 5: this or would I rather live here and sleep? I'd

1913
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 5: rather lay here and sleep, So no, I'm not doing that.

1914
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: All right, I gotta ask you this about the great

1915
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,639
Speaker 1: way I'm putting this opportunity cost That was a big

1916
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: thing for me when I took this on and I

1917
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: had this. I really struggle with the opportunity costs talking

1918
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: about this this show because it's like, all right, if

1919
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I do this show, then the time that I'm putting

1920
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: into doing the show, because I'm not gonna havel asset

1921
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: reason I told you about earlier, like I'm not so

1922
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna roll out of bed and do

1923
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: it for two hours and then go and then leave

1924
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 1: it alone. Like I'm gonna be investing in it all day,

1925
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: every day. But the time that I'm spending doing this

1926
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: show is time that I'm not building my company. It's

1927
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: time that I'm not creating the content that I want

1928
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: to create. So that's an opportunity cost. So I love

1929
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: how you put that I'm saying yes to something, I'm

1930
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 1: saying no or something else.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, look we about to wrap up, man,

1932
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 2: but Mike, this was so fun. Please come back, you know,

1933
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 2: like we could have chopped it up with you like

1934
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 2: does anytime. And yeah, man, like love the show, brother

1935
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 2: and catch it everywhere you listen to podcast.

1936
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Speaker 1: Were rooting for you.

1937
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: We all rooting for you.

1938
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I appreciate y'all in the same here. Yeah, you know,

1939
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Speaker 1: we it's always been love. Appreciate you guys. And it's

1940
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 1: a long time coming along with a dude. But I'm

1941
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: glad we got a chance to do this. But yeah, man,

1942
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: like you know, sign up for Peacock. It's free in

1943
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: this case, you don't get what you paid for, you know,

1944
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Speaker 1: streaming on Peacock TV. We streaming on Peacock every afternoon

1945
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Speaker 1: and like and like you said, Man, you can start

1946
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Speaker 1: on the podcast on YouTube or whatever you were trying to.

1947
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Speaker 1: We're trying to build a little fun goes, you know.

1948
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Speaker 2: Yep, support y'all, and we'll be back Saturday for our

1949
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Speaker 2: feedback show.

1950
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Speaker 3: And uh, the sports show is tomorrow.

1951
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Speaker 2: And uh oh, don't forget the we have a cell

1952
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Speaker 2: going on right now for premium people. Uh, since it's

1953
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 2: year two of the pandemic, we got another. I didn't listen.

1954
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Speaker 2: I didn't plan this. I thought we'd doing a one

1955
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Speaker 2: year sell for everybody, but we're gonna go ahead and

1956
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Speaker 2: do another.

1957
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Speaker 5: Year two of coronavirus is the second coronavirus.

1958
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Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going outside, but I'm just

1959
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: saying in case you want to hang out inside and

1960
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Speaker 2: you need company and your your phones, go to the website.

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Speaker 2: It's on there, the blackout tips dot com. And there's

1962
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Speaker 2: also a cell in the merch.

1963
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Speaker 3: At the Tea Public store.

1964
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Speaker 2: Just put tbgwt in the search at Tea Public and

1965
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Speaker 2: I think everything's like thirty three percent off or something

1966
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Speaker 2: like that, thirty five percent off.

1967
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Speaker 3: Thanks everybody, Thank you, Mike.

1968
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Speaker 2: So this was so fun, And we'll talk to You'll

1969
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Speaker 2: talk to you all Saturday until then, I love you

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Speaker 2: h