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Speaker 2: a sort of meditation. It's like it takes you out

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Speaker 2: of this even this morning, you know. And I know

434
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Speaker 2: you must feel this way, or maybe you don't because

435
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: you've been You're much more, you know, so much more

436
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Speaker 2: wisdom and time, you know, in a high but truly,

437
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Speaker 2: like you know, I consider you to you have more

438
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Speaker 2: experience coping with all the things. But some mornings I

439
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: wake up and it's just it's it's suffocating. How many

440
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: different feelings and emotions and things to do and like

441
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Speaker 2: that are tugging you in all these different directions. And

442
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Speaker 2: my kids are at camp in school right now, so

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Speaker 2: I don't have them. I can't. I could build a

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Speaker 2: lego by myself, I guess, But anyway, I did a

445
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Speaker 2: little meditation instead that having the kids there is so nice,

446
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Speaker 2: and I love that you are staying grounded in the girls.

447
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Speaker 2: You know that y'all are working with that. So talk

448
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Speaker 2: to me about for those who may not know. And

449
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Speaker 2: BA Fan, we've heard of Black Girl's Code. We know that.

450
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Speaker 2: You know you're on this mission to get a million

451
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Speaker 2: girls in tech, black girls in Tech by year twenty forty.

452
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Speaker 2: Such a huge, amazing goal. And I know that you're

453
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Speaker 2: planning new things and expansions, but can you break down

454
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Speaker 2: what exactly the structure of Black Girl's Code is today?

455
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Speaker 2: If someone wants to learn more, get their girls involved,

456
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Speaker 2: get themselves involved as a parent, to help you get

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Speaker 2: to that million, that million number.

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Speaker 1: It's a great honor to lead this organization. The organization

459
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Speaker 1: was founded in twenty and eleven, truly visionary at the time.

460
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Speaker 1: You know, at the time there was not a lot

461
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Speaker 1: of these programs out there, and so when I came

462
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, my focus was again to launch.

463
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Speaker 1: So there's always been this access, inspiration, education, but I

464
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Speaker 1: wanted to connect it to results. A quick way to

465
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Speaker 1: get grounded in what we are doing right now is

466
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Speaker 1: we are EGC dot Org is our website and parents

467
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: can sign their kids up for upcoming programs. We are

468
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Speaker 1: in the last quarter of thirteen summer camps that we've

469
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Speaker 1: been running all summer. Shout out to my BGC team.

470
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Speaker 1: They have been literally nationwide all over the place, including

471
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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. We have our summer camp coming up

472
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Speaker 1: right now next week in Los Angeles.

473
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Speaker 2: These like week long, couple weeks long.

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Speaker 1: It depends like they We've been testing different lengths, so

475
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Speaker 1: some are one week, two week, and some are four weeks.

476
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Speaker 1: I think we're landing somewhere around the two week is

477
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Speaker 1: the optimum length, and we stay connected through the year

478
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Speaker 1: with additional pop ups and immersion programming that is again nationwide.

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Speaker 1: We have ongoing free YouTube programming with a series called Codolong,

480
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Speaker 1: and the streamer Kailani Jules just won the Young Artist

481
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Speaker 1: for Host of a streaming Series for our Code Long Juniors,

482
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Speaker 1: so we're really proud of her. That YouTube series has

483
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Speaker 1: reached over eight million views and it is a great

484
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: introduction to CODE if you cannot get to one of

485
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Speaker 1: our live experiences. But we try to get around the

486
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Speaker 1: nation as much as possible to inspire and engage with

487
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Speaker 1: as many potential students and bring them into the BGC family.

488
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Speaker 1: We've also been working really hard to activate our alumni

489
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Speaker 1: and bring them back into the full A lot of

490
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Speaker 1: them are now teachers assistants. They've been supporting us in

491
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Speaker 1: our summer camps and also with our virtual programs. So

492
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Speaker 1: we have quite a bit going on, but I think

493
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Speaker 1: we need to do even more. The way that there's

494
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Speaker 1: this mass exodus of people of color from tech is

495
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Speaker 1: really worrisome for me, and.

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Speaker 2: Oh talk about that. Is there has there been What

497
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Speaker 2: am I missing? Is it an exodus like we're taking

498
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Speaker 2: charge or we're just going to let go?

499
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Speaker 1: I think it's a combination. I honestly, I think it's

500
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Speaker 1: a combination. I was looking at something it said three

501
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand women have left the workforce just in the

502
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Speaker 1: past year. If I'm accurate, if I'm speaking for.

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Speaker 2: Women of color, Yes, yes, right, and largely a lot

504
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Speaker 2: of that is from tech.

505
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Speaker 1: Correct, Okay, And I worry because the narrative around technology

506
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: is not very welcoming right now. But that does not

507
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Speaker 1: mean that we should give up and just accept the

508
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Speaker 1: fact that we are not in the rooms where these

509
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Speaker 1: technologies are being developed, legislated, funded, or even marketed. And

510
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Speaker 1: so that is why these inter generational hubs that were

511
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Speaker 1: standing up are important. When I was speaking at Web

512
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Speaker 1: Summit Vancouver, someone asked me what would I do if

513
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Speaker 1: I was made queen for a day?

514
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Speaker 2: Aren't you already but okay?

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Speaker 1: My answer was, it's a lot of questions, but I

516
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Speaker 1: so really and I mean this is that every parent

517
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: would have the conversation about AI with their child, right.

518
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Speaker 1: I mean. I have a very senior technologist on my

519
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: team and she was like, you know what. After I

520
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: heard that, I was like, you know, I've here talked

521
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: to my eleven year old about it. She's like, download chat, GPT,

522
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: let me show you what it is. He's like, oh,

523
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I've had it. And so that's her. But I also

524
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: think about how many people come up to me when

525
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: I speak after panels to tell me that they don't

526
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Speaker 1: use it, or private meetings and can I teach them?

527
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Speaker 1: And it makes me think, well, how are they going

528
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Speaker 1: to have the conversation about this technology with their kids

529
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Speaker 1: if they don't understand it themselves. And that's why we

530
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Speaker 1: have this first pop up in Inglewood, California. Is AI

531
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Speaker 1: for families. I truly believe that you not just coders.

532
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you do if you're a board member,

533
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Speaker 1: if you're an investor, if you're a teacher, if you're

534
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Speaker 1: a parent, if you manage technology and are not a

535
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: technologist yourself, you still need to have a baseline understanding

536
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: of what these technologies are, what they can do, and

537
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: where the deficits are and the harm that occurs from

538
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Speaker 1: not having us in the rooms where they are developed,

539
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: so that we can be thoughtful about how we roll

540
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: them out and how we use them. And we're being

541
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Speaker 1: thoughtful about how we can bring this training also to teachers,

542
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Speaker 1: because that is the other person who's talking to kids,

543
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Speaker 1: not trying to a teachers. Already, big scope, but we

544
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Speaker 1: have to think about how we talk about these technologies

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Speaker 1: with our children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, talk to me a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: As a parent myself. My five year old is he's

548
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Speaker 2: he knows a lot already, and I do try to

549
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Speaker 2: keep tabs on everything that he is consuming. But I'm

550
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Speaker 2: wondering what types of conversations are you hoping parents have

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Speaker 2: with children or educators, or even if you're a you're

552
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Speaker 2: an auntie who's listening, or a godparents or whatever, like,

553
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Speaker 2: what types of conversations are you hoping that we have

554
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: and then what's the what's the ideal outcome from those conversations?

555
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: Is it raising their awareness or straight up like teaching

556
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Speaker 2: them how to use it to accomplish things and they

557
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Speaker 2: want to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think you know, you see you

559
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: see conversations about I think it was in China where

560
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: they're starting in at six, and I just I worry

561
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: about that we have brought on doctor Avriel Epps. She

562
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Speaker 1: actually wrote this book.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, let me get that. I think it's

564
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Speaker 2: book for those who can't see a kid's book about

565
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Speaker 2: AI bias.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by doctor Avriel Epps. It is an introduction to

567
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Speaker 1: how to think about artificial intelligence for children, but I

568
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Speaker 1: really think it's for anybody, especially in these conversations. One

569
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Speaker 1: of my worries, and one of the things that we

570
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Speaker 1: consider when we're building our own curriculum is how to

571
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Speaker 1: ensure that our participants and really any of us, don't

572
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: lose our ability to continue to develop critical thinking, because

573
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: when we turn over all of our questions to a

574
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Speaker 1: technology platform like write me this email. Oh, I'm having

575
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: a conflict with Mandy. What should I say to her?

576
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, hey, what is a great new idea? For

577
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: this thing that I want to do. You are surrendering

578
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Speaker 1: your ability to think for yourself. Two things pop in

579
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Speaker 1: my head. One is I already always had was challenged

580
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: with navigation. I'm one of those people that gets lost

581
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Speaker 1: going around the corner, and now I get lost as

582
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Speaker 1: soon as I go out my door because my brain

583
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Speaker 1: is like, exactly, I knew we didn't need this Google Maps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember any phone numbers that he wore? I'm

586
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Speaker 1: old enough that I still remember phone numbers. But how

587
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Speaker 1: many phone numbers do you member? Because your brain at

588
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: this point was like, yeah, right, just type in the

589
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: person's name and it comes up. There's a time when

590
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: you would know like ten twenty phone numbers.

591
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Speaker 2: I remember that, Okay, those days. I have three phone

592
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: numbers by heart, my mom, my husband, and my brother

593
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Speaker 2: for some reason.

594
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Speaker 1: And and you know what are those? Your brain has

595
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: decided that it doesn't need to use energy to remember

596
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: these things. So what are we teaching our brain that

597
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: we don't need to understand anymore? I had a terrifying

598
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: conversation with a friend of mine when I was in

599
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The last time she sits next to this

600
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: guy and their cubicles are next to each other, and

601
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Speaker 1: he uses it for dating.

602
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Speaker 2: So God exactly which would be the most obvious use

603
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Speaker 2: of it for a dude? You know, like, oh, you're.

604
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Already meeting the representative, but now you're meeting the GPT

605
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: version of him that he fancies himself to be what

606
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: it does, So luck on your.

607
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Speaker 2: First date, dude, Good luck.

608
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: And this is why I do believe that we need

609
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: some more in person time together, Like what is happening

610
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: to our social skills?

611
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: So you you're in these you know, you know what

612
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: it's like to be rising to the ranks in corporate.

613
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Speaker 2: You know, you're giving presentations, you're speaking live to people,

614
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: even if it's on zoom, you're not. Maybe you can

615
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: use these tools to prep or to troubleshoot or whatever,

616
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: like to prepare yourself, but to be in the room

617
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: and be able to come up with ideas on the

618
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 2: fly and think on your feet. That type of training

619
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: is invaluable. And the more that we can get, especially

620
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Speaker 2: young women who are pursuing these paths and career, it's

621
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Speaker 2: so soft skills. It's like the how do you how

622
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Speaker 2: do you address people? How do you leave an impression?

623
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: How do you how do you come across you know,

624
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: your energy that you're bringing into the room, and how

625
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: do you trust yourself to go off track, even off

626
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: of your scripted whether the presentation or a keynote or whatever, like,

627
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: how do you trust yourself to go off script? And

628
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: if people are losing that or never even building that

629
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: muscle in the first place, I'm scarred, very shitty.

630
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Speaker 1: It's funny when I don't enjoy presenting with slides for

631
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: this very reason. I once was in a meeting and

632
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Speaker 1: I was the customer and I told this executive he

633
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: was presenting, and I could see there was like twenty

634
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: more slides to go, and I was already bored. But

635
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Speaker 1: I asked a question and he said, oh, let me

636
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: just finish this deck and then I'll answer your question.

637
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: And it was like at that point, I was already

638
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: doing my email. And you know, over reliance on what

639
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: you think is important, and now what chat GPT thinks

640
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: you should think is important is a surefire way to

641
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: disconnect yourself from a human experience with someone, which is

642
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: the whole point of engaging and having a conversation and

643
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: a presentation, because otherwise, couldn't it just be an email.

644
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: Amen's sister friend. Also, people who present decks and you

645
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: have your whole slide gallery on the side, you like,

646
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: don't do that, so annoying anxiety.

647
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Speaker 1: Immediately, I'm like, oh my god, there's so many No,

648
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: can you fix this one thing for me?

649
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Because you got to you gotta go through, you gotta

650
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Speaker 2: go through. Okay. So, so you're you're said you're wanting

651
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: to expand the the audience that y'all are targeting. So

652
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: traditionally it's been what ages seventeen to twenty five with

653
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: Black Girl's.

654
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Code seven to.

655
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: Seventeen, oh seven to seventeen, expanded to.

656
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: Through college, and now with these centers, it's really to

657
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: ninety five, right, it is we want to solve for

658
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the whole community, and I don't want anyone to get

659
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: left behind in this conversation. We need to think about

660
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: how we prepare our commune unities for this technology. You

661
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: speak to anyone in tech and you will know that

662
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: we are in an incredible hype cycle around some of

663
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: these new technologies and they cannot quite deliver exactly what

664
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: they're promising, and so just saying it's not worth opting

665
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: in is the wrong answer. I think coding is still

666
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: an important skill when you think about how to build

667
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: critical thinking problem solving. You know, some of the issues

668
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: that I see around. You know, people's favorite vibe coding

669
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: is that could just learn.

670
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: This expression yesterday.

671
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: It's like where you know, just because it can make

672
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: something quicker doesn't mean that it's more efficient and that

673
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: it is secure. And we all know that these systems

674
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: still hallucinate and they don't tell you when they're hallucinating.

675
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: They think it's great, and you will find out the

676
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: hard way when something is wrong. And it worries me

677
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: when we think about agents that are not built with

678
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: inclusivity in mind, especially as it relates to healthcare, finance,

679
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: and education and recruiting. You know these How do you

680
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: know when someone develops a technology that decides whether you

681
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: get advanced to the next round of interviews, if you

682
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: get a higher interest rate, if you deserve to go

683
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: to the next level of medical care, what is the

684
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: algorithm that decide It's based on which input? Who's the

685
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: person in putting it. That's why I say it's I'm

686
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: beating a dead horse here. I hate that term. Sorry,

687
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: But if you're in a board, if you're a parent,

688
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: if you work, if you're manager, if you work in marketing,

689
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: anybody anywhere needs to understand if you're using these technologies,

690
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: how do they work. I'm not saying that you need

691
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: to code one or build one or vibe code one,

692
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: but you should understand, like, what are the securities? We

693
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: heard about someone you know vibe coding and it erased

694
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: an entire database. You know what?

695
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: Wait so for BA family doesn't know vibe coding. I

696
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: thought it was just your play coding on your own

697
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: personal computer for fun, like you're trying to build.

698
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: People make things. People actually make things, but the securities

699
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: are not in place always. And just because AI can

700
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: write code does not mean that it is perfect. And

701
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: that is why I still believe that there needs to

702
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: be a human that is involved in all of these technologies.

703
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: I also wanted to because I was looking at who

704
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: your audience is, ooh, what do.

705
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: You find younger twenty five to forty five, younger.

706
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: Who are focused on accelerating their wealth and their careers?

707
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to say It's funny because I

708
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: was talking to a recruiter yesterday and they were like,

709
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: I know, if this person fits in your box for

710
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: what you're looking for, and you know as a habitual

711
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: line stepper by self, You remember that Dave Chappelle as

712
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: a habitual line stepper myself. I don't believe that in

713
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: this current climate, staying in your lane is always the

714
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: best thing to do. I think that you should make

715
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: it your business. And we're talking about this exact thing

716
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: right now as it relates to technology. To understand, and

717
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: I hate to use this term has been overused, but

718
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: be a lifelong learner and understand what is going on

719
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: around you, not just your specific lane that you're focused

720
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: on in your career currently. What's the future looking like?

721
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: What is the opportunity space where you could affect change

722
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: Instead of just seeing problems and agreeing that this is problematic,

723
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: what if you came up with a solution. And especially

724
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: in this time, we're so many people need help. It's

725
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: discouraging to see people say I can't fix everyone and

726
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: therefore not opt in to fix the one person that

727
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: they can help.

728
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: Today, say more about that last part, fix everyone in

729
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: what context?

730
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: So this is not related to my current work, But

731
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody about current opportunities with what

732
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: I was doing, and she was talking about She was

733
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: emotional because she was frustrated because she could not help

734
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: a kid who needed help. The system wasn't working for her,

735
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: and she just felt stuck. I was like, well, what

736
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: can we do to help this girl? We have her name,

737
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: what can we do to help her? It would be

738
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: easy to say like the system is broken and the

739
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: parents are challenging, and the daughter won't leave because she

740
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: doesn't want to leave her brother, but like, what can

741
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: we do to help? Doesn't mean that we don't care

742
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: about everybody, but it also means that we have a

743
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: name of somebody, like what can you do to help?

744
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: And I just think that if we did more, that

745
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: we would be a better society. I think we are

746
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: overburdened with you touched on this, overstimulated with too much

747
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: bad news. And it's funny because I was talking to

748
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: somebody the other day, you know, I always like, write

749
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: a book, write a book. I'm like that, I think

750
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: a memoir to I don't like looking backwards. I want

751
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: to look forward to where the opportunity is. If you

752
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: get stuck in the now all this bad, you look

753
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: back and it's like overwhelming, how'd you get here? You're exhausted,

754
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's the depression comes from ruminating on the past,

755
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and anxiety is thinking about the future and the present

756
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: is and the present. So I just when I talk

757
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: about using your platform for change, I think about not

758
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: just work. What can you do today to make someone's

759
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: life better? Is a worthy exercise for all of us

760
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: to consider.

761
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a very very true statement.

762
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I think it's a and you it's

763
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: you're right, it's a practice. It is. It's almost a mantra.

764
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: Yes, no one feels bad from helping someone else. That

765
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: is a fact.

766
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: You got to get to know your neighbors. Like if

767
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: you get to know your neighbors, eventually you're going to

768
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: be in a position where you have someone that you

769
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: asking to borrow or asking to help or you know,

770
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: and vice versa. It's it's such a as much as

771
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: I think we're in this like virtual hellscape and like

772
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: it's like we have too much. We're like overly inundated

773
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: with voices and everything day to day on our on

774
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: our devices. But and to the point where people are

775
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: like I'm too exhausted to even leave my house, leave.

776
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: Your house, leave your house.

777
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: Bump up against some people Yeah.

778
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: That's like my dog makes me leave, you know, like

779
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: go yeah, go for a walk, leave your phone, look around,

780
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: enjoy nature, use skills that are getting dull, like listen

781
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: to the birds. I'm not trying to be you know, pollyannious.

782
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: I know that we have like huge problems that we're

783
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: all solving and that we're all dealing with every day

784
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: in our life. However, we have a limited amount of

785
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: time on this earth. Make the most of it. Don't

786
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: lay in bed doom scrolling and thinking about all the

787
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: things that you can't solve. Solve the one thing that

788
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: you can today.

789
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: Yeah again, my kids help. Not say any other cure

790
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: for everything, but someone that you take care of, something

791
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: that relies on you, it just pulls you out of it.

792
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: I want to talk about you know, when you were

793
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: talking about approaching your career and not staying in your lane,

794
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. As a coach, I'm

795
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: like a broken record when it comes to tech. Like

796
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: a lot of my time I spend as a coach

797
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: is working with really accomplished women who just need someone

798
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: to tell them to talk about themselves and their work

799
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: and to get out of like get out of their

800
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: current social circle and to expand it. Can you talk

801
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: to me over your career how those two things have

802
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: helped you, if at all, I'm going to assume, because

803
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: you're so successful, you know how to do these two things.

804
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: I do.

805
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: You do know how to talk about yourself, and you

806
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: do know how to expand your network.

807
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I do know how to talk about myself. And if

808
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: you've heard me something before, we know that I'm an

809
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: introvert and I can be a bit socially awkward. That's

810
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: just who I am. Pop I cut straight to the facts.

811
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: I still get nervous every time I have to get

812
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: up and speak, and it is an overthinking of like

813
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: making sure that whatever I'm saying is like worth people

814
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: spending their time to listen to me. As someone who

815
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: came up in media, you know, attention is a huge currency,

816
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: and so thinking about how to make sure that every

817
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: conversation is meaningful is exhausting. One of the ways that

818
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I started getting better at networking for someone who used

819
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: to dread. The networking piece was look at who's going

820
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: to the event that you're going to look them up

821
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: and who are they and what do they care about?

822
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: If they have a LinkedIn. They probably post what they

823
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 1: care about, have they written an article? Do you share

824
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: a chair of philanthropy and ask them about themselves. People

825
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: love to talk about themselves. People get overwhelmed when you

826
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: come immediately to them and like be my mentor. It's

827
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: like whoa, yeah I am Christina. But also think about

828
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: what the conversation is. I was really I had somebody

829
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: once who wanted to meet with me and was really

830
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: aggressively wanting to meet with me. And I finally met

831
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: with her, and her first question was what is my sign?

832
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and then her phone kept

833
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: going off. She kept looking at it.

834
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, like, what's your astrological sign? Yes,

835
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: well now I got to know what's your sign?

836
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's a scorpio. So when I say all these

837
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: things at all.

838
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Tracks, I'm a Leo, So I don't really know much

839
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: about the people's signs, so about.

840
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Your's sign because Leo sees the baby.

841
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: I could talk all day about it. It's really hard

842
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: being introverted Leo. It's it's the Dike. It's weird. Yeah,

843
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 2: that's a world of contradictions over here.

844
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Yo, totally makes sense. I'm all dark and stormy and

845
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: think about things a lot. So yeah, I can only

846
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: imagine who's your time because you don't know when you're

847
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: going to engage with people, which you would ideally like,

848
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to walk away with exactly what

849
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: you want in that first interaction. The win is getting

850
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: someone to interact with you again, that's the win, and people.

851
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Want to put too much more? Do you put too

852
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: much pressure on that one interaction?

853
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: It's like a man if you don't. This happened to

854
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: me when I was twenty five. When I was twenty five,

855
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: I drove from I worked at Warner Brothers. I drove

856
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: to Newline and I was twenty five again like maybe

857
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I've been this way a long time, and Michelle Bell

858
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: was We're still very good friends. She was at the

859
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: time like VP of Creative Services at Newline and Warner

860
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Brothers had just acquired them, and so I had just

861
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: been promoted to manager. I drove down to Newline and

862
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: met with from the Valley to LA and met with

863
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: Michelle Bell to tell her that in order to be

864
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: successful she needed to hire me, and she didn't. I

865
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: was devastated. I remember I drove home with the window down.

866
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: I used to have long hair, wind blowing through my

867
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: hair and was like, I can't believe it. Devastation. And

868
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: a week later she did call me. She was like,

869
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, come back for another meeting. Tell me boy.

870
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: She did end up hiring me. We are still really

871
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: good friends. There you go, and she's She was the

872
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: first person that I saw that made me understand that

873
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: you could be your self. She I worked at Warner Brothers,

874
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: which was very corporate. Michelle at the time wore her

875
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: hair natural like, wore these giant boots, was loud and

876
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: herself and I loved it. And even though I didn't

877
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: work for her long because I ended up going to

878
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: work at twentieth Century Fox, where I spent the bulk

879
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: of my career, she made a very lasting impression on me.

880
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: So I do think as you, As I say all

881
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: the things, the pressure is not just on the person

882
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: who wants the engagement. It is still on us to

883
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: be thoughtful about how we show up for the next generation,

884
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: current generation who's coming through the ranks, to show what

885
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: the art of the possible, what success looks like. I

886
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: am not a traditional executive. I don't walk around all

887
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: buttoned up, all the time with saying perfect things and

888
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: perfect clothes with perfect hair, because I'm a person and

889
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: those things do not equal what is brilliant about me,

890
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: which is my brain.

891
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: So if I could just echo some of that back.

892
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: Your example when you were twenty five with Michelle Bell

893
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: is like you were putting a lot of pressure on

894
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: that one interaction. You were devastated, but clearly you made

895
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: an impression. I did because a week later and.

896
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: She would just already she could call me and so

897
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: but again, like I did leave her with So there's

898
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: two parts to unpact. Thank you for pulling it back.

899
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Two parts to unpack, which is devastation, did not get

900
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: outcome I wanted right away added value. She thought about

901
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: it and was like, maybe some of these things could

902
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: be great. No, she's not ready to be a director,

903
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: but come and do this work with me instead. And

904
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: so I didn't just go and tell her be my mentor.

905
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to be my mentor. I wanted

906
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: her to hire me because I saw an opportunity because

907
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I worked at Warner Brothers and I knew what they

908
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: were saying about Newline when they acquired it. So just again,

909
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: do your homework add your value proposition, but like, don't

910
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: be hurt if it doesn't click the first time, and

911
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: be patient when you're reaching out to people. People don't

912
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: always answer right away.

913
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: Because work also just bandwidth. Like you may have a

914
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: question that I can't answer, and the two minutes I

915
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: have between this talk and the next one, or I

916
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: have to go to the bath, I gotta pee real bad.

917
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: But let's connect and then I can, you know, more

918
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: thoughtfully think about this later. And there's a sense of

919
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: I've seen women get when you're quota. You think you're

920
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: turned down. I had a coaching client tell me up

921
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: and down. She's like, Nvidia rejected me. I didn't get

922
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: through the first round. I got this automated email and

923
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: this had become like a story that we talked about

924
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: for the past six weeks. We've been working with each other.

925
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: Tell me why yesterday she went back to the original email.

926
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't a rejection. It was like, we're passing on

927
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: your resume to the next step. We'll reach out if

928
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: we're interested. It wasn't a rejection. I mean, did she

929
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: hear back no.

930
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: The next round, which is really successful in these days.

931
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, but they yes, it wasn't like one of

932
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: those automated but she had told herself and I'm like,

933
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: we gotta. It's like we it's that negative like uh

934
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: track that sometimes we can be on. Or if someone

935
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: doesn't answer your question, Like you run into someone in

936
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: the bathroom at a conference and you're like a huge

937
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: fan or the worker you want it, You're just you

938
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: try to chat and they're like it feels like you're

939
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: getting rejected or brushed off because they really have to

940
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: use the bathroom where they're late for something else. And

941
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: then you start to feel embarrassed or ashamed and like

942
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: shy about doing it again.

943
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, please stop attacking. I get attacked a lot

944
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. It's really.

945
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: Wait really because that's one of my favorite places to like.

946
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Have I got just catch me on the outside, like okay,

947
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: wash my hands and like walk outside and catch my

948
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: breath because sometimes this room just to breathe.

949
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: For a second. Because with the work that you do

950
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: to your point, when you talk about these things you

951
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: get off the panel. People want to tell you their story. Men, women,

952
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to tell you their specific story. And I

953
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: love everybody's story, but sometimes, like I have a lot

954
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: of pressure on myself before I get up, and then

955
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I want to just go and pause for a second

956
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: to think, and then I can recharge five seconds, come out,

957
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: start all over again, and then go hide in my

958
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: room later so I can complete like reboot.

959
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: Like yourself in exactly exactly those room bus God, no,

960
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: did you get back to the docking station. No, they

961
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: just had a thing that roombas had some breathing they

962
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: recalled or something.

963
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Pictures that aren't authorized.

964
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: And room boss have a camera, yeah they do.

965
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: That's how they know where to go.

966
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: So which, Okay, that makes sense.

967
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Another great job of the future, by the way, is cybersecurity. Girls.

968
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: My husband's in that past.

969
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Okay, security is a great great track.

970
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: Scurity, right, everything is watching us. I don't actually have

971
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: a roomba.

972
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: It's real point comfortable with just surrendering our data. Like

973
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: you remember back in the day when there was like

974
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: a breach and everybody's like, oh my god, breach. Now

975
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's information has been hacked and people are

976
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: like whatever I mean they're talking about like aliens arriving

977
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: in November and people are like, okay, aliens, yeah, like

978
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: just random you.

979
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: Know, just like Martians or something whatever. Like like you said,

980
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: we try to stay in the present sometimes, like we

981
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: don't want to get in an anxiety cycle. Oh lord, great,

982
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: I want to be respectful of your time. I work

983
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: with women, like I said, women of color who are

984
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: They are typically like mid career thirties, getting into their

985
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: late thirties, and they are either they're really frustrated. Sometimes

986
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: they're not feeling like they're making any traction. They're not

987
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: getting the opportunities to advance that they want. They're also tired,

988
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: which I really understand, tired of being the only tired

989
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: of being mistaken for cleanup crew or the intern or

990
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: whoever else happens to have some melanin and curly hair,

991
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: and they are wanting a new opportunity. But it's so challenging.

992
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: I've got clients who have incredible resumes and are sending

993
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: out applications even with a referral, sometimes.

994
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: Talking about their achievements anywhere.

995
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Great question. So I'm I mean, yes, I'm gonna I

996
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: love that. That's what your head went. Okay, they're really

997
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: frustrated and it's taken I don't know, like say, it's

998
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: been a couple of months and you know, You've been

999
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: making these efforts, but you're not hearing back.

1000
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: Your question is are you talking about your achievements? Like,

1001
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: are you coming through a non traditional route where you

1002
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: cut through the clutter and someone pays attention to the

1003
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: work that you're doing that is not what everyone else

1004
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: is doing. People do not get promoted anymore for time

1005
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: served that's gone. So what are you doing that's different

1006
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: that makes you stand out that someone would go like,

1007
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: I want to learn more about what they are doing.

1008
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know LinkedIn's weird now, but I

1009
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: still think it's a great platform to talk about things

1010
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: that you care about, your achievements, connect with the people

1011
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: that you care about. I personally have reached out to

1012
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: multiple people to connect because I was curious about what

1013
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: they were talking about. Someone reached out to me the

1014
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: other day, which was pretty funny. It was a cold

1015
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: sales call, but it was a hey, I see you

1016
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: speak Italian, and like, I love speaking Italian and also

1017
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: have you thought about this SaaS platform?

1018
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: Ha, that's like people on Brown front again on Brown addition, Yeah, like,

1019
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: that's not I guarantee you I'm going to get an

1020
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: email subject line. Loved your interview with Christina Mancini from

1021
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: Black Girl's Code. By the way, like, okay.

1022
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Non secretary, but think about like do think about these

1023
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: platform People are on them and paying attention. But if

1024
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: you reach out to someone in a cold call, like hey,

1025
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: that's interesting, blah blah blah, you should have something that

1026
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: they can go look at your profile and go like,

1027
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this person is interesting to talk to more.

1028
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm just gonna So basically, what

1029
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: you're saying is you endorse all of my career coaching

1030
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: philosophies and you think I'm the best and everyone should

1031
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: listen to me.

1032
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: As I said, I'm a fan.

1033
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: It's really hard. No, but it's really challenging, and it

1034
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how many years I've been doing it, I

1035
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: still run up against this. It's the sense of like,

1036
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: I've done incredible work, yes, and I'm like, and if

1037
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: a tree falls in the forest, what does it like

1038
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: does it matter? Then it's like then you have to

1039
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: go through the same excuses like oh, link LinkedIn, it's

1040
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: like icky, it's grow it's cringe, or I don't want

1041
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: to seem boastful. I don't know, or like there's a

1042
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: sense of talking about what you're doing, like they're almost

1043
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: too good for that, Like, no Ah.

1044
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm still talking about what I'm doing.

1045
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: Christina man Cheiney's on a p podcast to talk about

1046
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: what she's doing to get attention and a new eyeball,

1047
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: so that like you're talking about yourself even now, you

1048
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: have to you.

1049
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: Have to stay current. You have to stay current. And

1050
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: when I tell my friends, like update your LinkedIn, it's

1051
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: like I don't have time to do that.

1052
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Well, okay, then stay stuck.

1053
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: And the problem is is that it's no different than

1054
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: when you're building technology. You know, if there's like more

1055
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: than three clicks, someone's probably not going to do it right.

1056
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: So if it's too hard for me to learn about you,

1057
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to do it. People say like, well,

1058
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: I sent you, my I sent you, I sent you

1059
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: an email, I sent you, but I'm looking at you

1060
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. You can't be mad at the person for

1061
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: like optimizing the time that they have where they are

1062
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: where they are, like email is a nightmare, nightmare, like

1063
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: inboxes are overflowing, but on LinkedIn, there's like this great

1064
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about yourself, what you care about, what

1065
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: you want to do, and I don't see any harm

1066
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: in talking about that. I think it's helpful. It's really helpful.

1067
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: And to that end, you should really think about what

1068
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: you do say when you're on LinkedIn and on Instagram.

1069
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 2: And make it on brand and make it on message.

1070
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: Don't be angry, be thoughtful about what you want to achieve.

1071
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Be thoughtful about what you want to achieve, and focus

1072
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: on that. So this is your sadly necessary other job,

1073
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: but it's worth it if you get to where you

1074
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: want to be instead of just complaining that you haven't

1075
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: made it there.

1076
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: Amen. And if you can master those two things, like

1077
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: putting yourself in rooms where there's people that you can

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Speaker 2: connect with, even if it's I always give myself a

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Speaker 2: goal to have one conversation because introvert, I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to single out one person that's my person.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have one chat and then you know.

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Speaker 2: But if you make that, if you focus on putting

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Speaker 2: yourself in rooms where you can bump up against people

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Speaker 2: and chat to people, and then the second piece is

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Speaker 2: actually talk about yourself and share what you're doing, and

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Speaker 2: not just talk about yourself, but actually demonstrate the work

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Speaker 2: that you're doing. Demonstrate the way that you think about things.

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Speaker 2: Demonstrate that, yeah, the critical thinking, Like I'm working with

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Speaker 2: a UX designer right now. And I'm so proud of

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Speaker 2: her because she started to blog about other platforms and

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Speaker 2: like she would run against run up against apps and

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Speaker 2: technology in the wild on vacation at the airport, and

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Speaker 2: she would have a bunch of thoughts about how this

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Speaker 2: could be better or how she loved the way that

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Speaker 2: this worked. And I was like, put that on lived in.

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Speaker 1: Will you share her information with me?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I would love to. She's just I love her

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Speaker 2: so much. And she's part of a discord for black

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Speaker 2: women developers in Tampa, Florida, and she's involved in FIGMA

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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get her to come out to

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Speaker 2: to go to this. There's this great conference called Batty's Con.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of this?

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Speaker 1: I have? I have heard of it.

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Speaker 2: And she was like, she was like, I want some advice.

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Speaker 2: I'm submitting my resume for Batty's Con. Of like looking

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Speaker 2: at the conference and I said, girl, why aren't you

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Speaker 2: on a flight? Like why are you not? So I

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Speaker 2: think she's going to come out here.

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Speaker 1: Please she's a Please connect those because I would love

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Speaker 1: to talk to her myself. B Yeah, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. And see being able to when she's there,

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Speaker 1: have her elevator pitch.

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Speaker 2: Elevator pitch, Okay, what's it? An ideal elevator pitch for

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Speaker 2: someone like you? If the goal is I'm open to

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Speaker 2: new opportunities, I'd love to be considered for an open role.

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Speaker 2: Should they I always like to go in if you're

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Speaker 2: to know who you're talking to and to already have

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Speaker 2: a sense of if there's open roles at their company

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes there's like roles you haven't thought of, Like

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Speaker 1: what you just said. I was like, huh, that's an

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Speaker 1: interesting way of I'm everybody's different, and for me, the

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Speaker 1: way that people think is really interesting. So people who

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Speaker 1: think different, especially in this time as we need to

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Speaker 1: think about how to prepare our youth and ourselves for

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Speaker 1: quickly changing times. What she's doing is exactly what I

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Speaker 1: was talking about. She's like looking at things and going like, huh,

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Speaker 1: this makes no sense. This is how it would be better.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That to me, I'm like, I want

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Speaker 1: to know her and maybe we can do something together.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love you for that, And see told you

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00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: should talk about yourself because then I can talk about

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Speaker 2: you exactly.

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Speaker 1: You're like a sponsor times one hundred.

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Speaker 2: I go hard for my Mandy money makers. It's just

1136
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: like I'm ana. They call me a loving bully. I

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: lovingly bully them because if I'm like, you need to

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: post this on LinkedIn, I'll be like, Okay, cool, what

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: date are we saying? And then I'm gonna tell Siri

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Speaker 2: to remind me and I will bother you.

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Speaker 1: You need to you, you need to. I have to

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Speaker 1: be reminded. You can get buried in your work and

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Speaker 1: forget to talk about the work. But to your point,

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00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 1: if a tree falls in the forest, and I think

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00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: it's a muscle that you have to build and start

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: being comfortable talking about yourself because you're not bragging about yourself,

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the work that you're doing. I had

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Speaker 1: an executive when I was at Salesforce, and I wanted

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: to give her a bigger role. She said, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I'm ready for that? I don't, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I said, you tell me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did until you asked me if I thought

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Speaker 2: you were ready.

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Speaker 1: I asked her the next question, and I said, if

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Speaker 1: you were a man, would you have asked me that question?

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Speaker 1: She thought about it and she was like, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to take it. And she was excellent and she

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: continues to thrive. What we're talking a little bit about

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Speaker 1: is imposter syndrome. And I talk about this a lot.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to give credence to imposter syndrome. I

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Speaker 1: don't like to give energy to it because it's a

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Speaker 1: fake voice in your head that does not exist. It's

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Speaker 1: not a real person, it's not based on anything real.

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Speaker 1: That tells you to not expend any energy trying something

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Speaker 1: new because you're just going to get your feelings sirt.

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Speaker 1: Turn that off, don't listen to it. Talk about yourself,

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable. I'm not saying brag about yourself. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: talk about your achievements. You did it, You deserve the flowers.

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Speaker 2: You absolutely do. And it also to be a what

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Speaker 2: did you call it, A forever learner or a lifetime learner,

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Speaker 2: wrong learner. Say things without fear of critique, look at

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Speaker 2: critique or any additional con because people are afraid that

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Speaker 2: people are going to point out a mistake or that

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Speaker 2: they're going to criticize what they've done, Like if you

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Speaker 2: just go into this, if you open up your mind

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Speaker 2: and your like your heart too, people may have feedback

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Speaker 2: and you post with the intention of getting that feedback.

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Speaker 2: That's engagement. That's that's great for the algorithm. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's good for you.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent. And I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: ideas and they are not all great ideas, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: the best ideas come from a bad idea. But you

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Speaker 1: need to be open to feedback. So when people have

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Speaker 1: ideas and they've curated them for so long and don't

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Speaker 1: want to release them into the wild, they are like

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: very protective of it. Yeah, they get into the habit

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Speaker 1: of thinking about things, sharing your thoughts, getting feedback and evolving.

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Speaker 2: Fail fact, you I.

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Speaker 1: Really no wonder I knew I was going to enjoy

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Speaker 1: talking to you. Andy.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Every time I see all thirty how many

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Speaker 2: teeth do we have? I see all your teeth. That's

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Speaker 2: all I want to see. That's all I want to see.

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Speaker 2: That's all we're here to do.

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Speaker 1: This has been a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for sharing with me and

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Speaker 2: for sharing with BA fam. Christina Mincheini from Black Girl

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Speaker 2: Code everyone, we will post the show in the show notes,

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Speaker 2: you'll have a link to why do I keep one

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Speaker 2: to say, bcg BGC the website how you can get involved?

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Speaker 2: When is this?

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Speaker 1: Channels too so you can see what the girls are

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Speaker 1: up to Black Girl's Code. We're on TikTok, Instagram, LinkedIn.

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Speaker 1: I'm also on LinkedIn at Krispy Mancini. I just get involved, opt.

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Speaker 2: In, yeah, and get excited. Check out what the youths

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Speaker 2: are doing to inspire you. I love that you're expanding

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Speaker 2: it to women you know and more advanced in their careers.

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Speaker 2: But also just like and at whatever point you are

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Speaker 2: in your career, like, check out what the kids are doing.

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Speaker 2: Give them some advice. It'll make you, it'll overnew your energy,

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Speaker 2: give you a little bit of joy, and just whatever

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Speaker 2: way you can support the work that Black Girl's Code

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Speaker 2: is doing. And Christina again, thank you very much, Brand Ambition.

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Speaker 2: The Ghost of Gwendolen Montgomery and ooh, she got a

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Speaker 2: I've leaned a little hot under the just thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: But really good, really intriguing book to read, and I

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