1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Well, we have our emergency podcast and it's for the 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: worst possible reason this late Sunday night. We just got 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: into the now Dunks studio here. I'm sure all you 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: know Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter crash today with 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: his thirteen year old daughter Gianna. Also killed nine people 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: in total in the helicopter crazy But you know, we've 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: obviously had all Sunday afternoon. I'm sure you guys were 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: watching NBA TV and seeing the you know, the guy's 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: colleagues still with tasks and of course the former colleagues 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and those guys. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Trying to wrap their head around this. Which is is it? 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Honestly, it's it's it's doesn't feel real. I think that's 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: fair to say. You don't want it to be real, 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: of course, But now that we've had a little bit 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: of time here throughout the day, what do you even 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: say to this. 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: He was looking just with stunned silence at my phone, 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: just sort of refreshing because I saw it come through 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: TMC and you thought, this doesn't feel right, but it's 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: coming from their legit account, and so you're just thinking 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: like this is you sometimes see these celebrity deaths that 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: are hoaxes for whatever reason. Yeah, and you just kind 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: of thought that was going to eventually come out someone 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: saying this is a crazy, stupid report, and that never happened. 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: In fact, it just went the other way. More and 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: more reputable sources kept reporting it and very tough just 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: to it was stunning. It was stunning. There's only been 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: a few moments, I think in life where something like 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: that's happened. Michael Jackson dying probably the last time where 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: it was just something you just couldn't even though people 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: were saying it, you were hearing it, you were reading it, 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: just didn't feel like it was actually happening. 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: Well, he's obviously, he's larger than life, right, He's one 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: of those few guys in the NBA that impacts not 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: only basketball players but just the world at large. Like 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: we got an email just now saying that I named 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: my child Kobe Bryant. Obviously, you know, guys on the 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: floor who had to play on Sunday or were thinking 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: about the guy who is they're Michael Jordan really and 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: that's you know, after mj It it really was Kobe's era. 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: You know, you can throw another couple of names in there, 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: but Kobe is the guy that impacted the the basketball world. 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: He impacted like there's guys like neymar giving tribute to 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 4: him today. Only a few days ago, Novak Djokovic, you know, 46 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: before he passed away, was talking about what he was 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: to him and and to fans out there, like he is. 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: He is like you bring up Michael Jackson Lee and 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: people are bringing up you know, Prince and to that effect. 50 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 4: And you know, we were lucky enough to be in 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 4: the same auditorium as him and got got to interview 52 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: him and how people were like chasing him and screaming 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 4: and yelling, and one woman yelling Kobe touched me, and 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: that like he he had that sort of impact, and 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: he's just he yeah, I mean there's there's just not 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: many people in the world like that, and and he's 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: just you know, we can we can go on and on. 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: I think about him off the floor and and and 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 4: this you know, poor family obviously. 60 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've just been sick to my stomach. Honestly, since 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: I saw the tweets coming across, I was likely it 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: just seemed unbelievable that it had even happened. And then 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 5: slowly but surely more and more details are trickling out 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: and reports are being confirmed, and then suddenly the games 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 5: are starting and you're seeing tributes all around the NBA. 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 5: It's like you can't get away from it. Kobe was 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 5: such a huge part of the NBA, even having now 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 5: been retired for what four years, Basically you can already 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: see the elder statesmen role he had taken on and 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: the what he meant to the players that are currently 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 5: in the league. Some of the guys obviously played against 72 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 5: them since it was recently that Kobe was still a player, 73 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: and others like Trey Young are obviously very close to Kobe, 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 5: you know, taking the court wearing his uniform, they have 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 5: He's even Trey Young has had a bond with Kobe's daughter, 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 5: who was on the helicopter as well. And it's just 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 5: it's just very sad, and it makes you really realize 78 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 5: how quickly life can be gone and how important it 79 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 5: is to enjoy being with the people you're with when 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 5: you're with them. 81 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it is. It is crazy 82 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: to me. 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I keep going, well, Kobe, Bryan's dead, and then and 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: then I go, oh, my god, his daughter was in 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: the It was in the helicopter too. It's like it's 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: the double you know, punch to the gut. 87 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. 88 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: I was flying back today from New York, and so 89 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't maybe living in the moment with the whole 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Twitter trying to figure it out is this real or not? 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: So when I land, of course the phone just goes 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: bl like you know, it wasn't just me too, of course, 93 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: this was like, you know, the guy beside me and 94 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the person in front of me. You could tell everyone's like, 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: what is this? And everybody's like is this real? And 96 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: everybody's like trying to figure it out? 97 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: And it was. 98 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: And I was like I'd been sleeping, so I'm like 99 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: I felt like a dream, like a bad dream, like 100 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: a namemare And then yeah, trying to wrap your head 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: around it all day. 102 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's it's shocking. It is. 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: And you said, like Trey Young wearing number eight. The 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: MAVs just recently say they're going to retire number twenty four. 105 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: Nobody ever's gonna wear number twenty four for the MAVs. 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: I think I'm good on the MAVs. I think the 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: rest of the league is going to do that. 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: I'd be shocked. 109 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Actually, if the NBA doesn't do something that all the teams. 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Maybe not, but it sucks too that you know, he 111 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: was he was do it for the whole fame. I mean, 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: we're not where did we get the Colby speech? 113 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 114 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: You know yeah. 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: And the fact that just last night he was in 116 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: the news too with Lebron that makes this whole thing 117 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: overtaking him. Yeah, Like there was so much talk and 118 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: h and Kobe's last tweet was basically saying to Lebron, 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: you know, I'm handing handing over the next generation to you. 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: And that's the thing about Kobe, I like legend. You know, 121 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: spent twenty years there, won everything, you know, not always 122 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: like great times with the Lakers. He had his moments there, 123 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: but in the end, he persisted and he stayed with 124 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: the franchise. And you know, when it was all said 125 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: and done, no one spent more time at the Lakers 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: than he did. And you know, his legacy is interesting 127 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: because when you look at the number eight that he 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: wore and then the number twenty four that he wore, 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: when they broke down the stats of what he achieved 130 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: in both numbers, it was incredible just how identical it 131 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: all was. And yeah, it's just shocking that that he's 132 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: not going to be around the game anymore, because I 133 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: loved seeing him as a committed dad to his daughters. 134 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: All of his daughters, he was there practicing and playing 135 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: and trying to teach them moves and coaching. And you 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: remember he was disappointed when his daughter's team finished I 137 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: think sixth because you could just you can tell that, 138 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: you know, some people took that the wrong way, but 139 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: Kobe was trying to install that work ethic into his 140 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: daughter at this young age. And I think that's the 141 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: one thing that's consistent. Whether you liked Kobe or he 142 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: didn't like him, I think everybody in any sport respected 143 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: he's worketh He was so determined to be the best, 144 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: and that's what a lot of people say. You know, 145 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: Kobe just worked and worked and worked, and it didn't 146 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: matter what sport I got. If you wanted to be 147 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: at his level, you hit the gym, you work as hard, 148 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: and you have that determination. And I think that's why 149 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: he did connect with so many athletes from around the world. 150 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 5: He's a guy that everybody is chasing, everybody is trying 151 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 5: to be like he goes into the two thousand and 152 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 5: eight Olympic team, and guys like Lebron and Wade and 153 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 5: Chris Bosh and Mellow are watching Kobe just out working 154 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: everybody there, despite the fact that at this time he's 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 5: already got championships, he's already got an MVP, that kind 156 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: of stuff. And you can see from that moment forward, 157 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 5: Kobe just became even more respected around the league as 158 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: the guy who is the hardest worker, basically since Michael Jordan. 159 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 5: This generation's Michael Jordan, like you're saying, tass and a 160 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 5: defining player for the generation of guys that are in 161 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 5: the league now because they were all trying to be 162 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 5: as good as Kobe was. And you know, you might 163 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 5: not think Kobe was the greatest in the league at 164 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: the time, but he was still up there a guy 165 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 5: you at least had to bypass to become the greatest 166 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: in the league. And I don't know, I seeing him 167 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: as a dad, I think is probably the best Kobe 168 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 5: there was. 169 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: To see. 170 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 5: The advocacy he had for the women's game, how much 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: he just loved getting to tutor his daughter and talk 172 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: about his daughter, and how much she loves playing basketball, 173 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: that's something that I relate to a lot, and it's 174 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: something that it's pretty sad that Kobe got four years 175 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 5: of being a full time dad. 176 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really sad. He navigated that that transition from 177 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: being a professional athlete to being his post playing career, 178 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: which obviously included a lot of fatherhood extremely well. You know, 179 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: from the outside looking in, I can't imagine how hard 180 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: that is because you know, I never competed at that level, 181 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: but I know he was watching athletes. It doesn't go 182 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: very well. And he was somehow able to channel that 183 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: that crazy easy competitive edge or competitive level that he 184 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: had into being an incredible dad. And uh and you 185 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 4: mentioned tray about being like supporting the w n B 186 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: A and women's college basketball more. I love that Jimmy 187 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: Kimmel clip that's going around. It's phenomenal about about Gianna 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: and how she wanted to take over the women's game 189 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: and how special that is. Do you think your daughter 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: might want to play in the w NBA. 191 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: She does, for sure, she does. 192 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 5: I mean this kid, man, wouldn't that be great? 193 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: Dude? 194 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: Man, I'm telling you, the best thing, the best thing 195 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: that happens is when we go out and fans will 196 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 4: come up to me and She'll be standing next to me, 197 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: and they'll be like, and. 198 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 5: You got to have a boy you and v gotta 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: have a boy, man, you have somebody carry on the tradition, 200 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 5: the legacy. 201 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: She's like, oh, I got this, you know, both of. 202 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 5: Like, that's right, yes, you do. 203 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: You got this. 204 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: I know. I hugged my daughter pretty freaking hard today. 205 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: And I'm sure a lot of people are too, because 206 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: it just reaches so many people. And and and he 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: attacked not not only did it, like did he transition 208 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: well to being a father? Like you know from you know, 209 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: from the social media world. Who the heck knows what's 210 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: really happening with Kobe Bryant, But that's all he posts about. 211 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: And and not only did he attack that, but he 212 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: attacked his his his dreams and his wishes of of 213 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: being a producer and writing children's books and giving a 214 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: crap about what he gave a crap about and really 215 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: working at it. And so the work ethic like just 216 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: transitioned from twenty years of being a basketball player to 217 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: really being I think that the competitive edge kind of 218 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: it kind of faded away in a way in the 219 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: basketball world, like he wasn't. He didn't talk trash on 220 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: Twitter anymore. But he he just big up to everybody. 221 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 4: He was so encouraging to everybody, you are going to 222 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: be the MVP, to Yannis and to everybody, just so 223 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 4: much support and and obviously players looked up to him 224 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: in a major way, and he was able to really 225 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: to navigate that really well and still attack life and 226 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 4: and like as you know, former President Barack Obama tweeted, 227 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: he was legend on the court and just getting started 228 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 4: in what would have been just as meaningful a second act. 229 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: And that's from a from a very special person. Those 230 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: are very special words, because who the heck knows, Like 231 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: you said, it's Trey three and a half years since 232 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: he retired, and he was able to accomplish a lot, 233 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: win an oscar and uh and rate kids books and 234 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: and really attack life with what he wanted to do. 235 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Is it's he toretty about how he wanted to be 236 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: more than a basketball player when he retired. And a 237 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: lot of guys say that, but they don't sort of 238 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: take on something else, but Kobe did in these things 239 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: you're talking about here with the with the oscar, like 240 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: he actually really tried his best and he put him 241 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: put himself in a position to back up his words 242 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: like that, And it would have been so easy for 243 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: him to take a cushy media job, coaching role somewhere. 244 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: You know, he didn't need the money, but he needed 245 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 3: that stimulation that basketball wasn't going to be able to 246 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: give him anymore. And he wanted to try something else 247 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: out in a different field and just had incredible success 248 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: with it. And you know he again when you see 249 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: him transition into dad Kobe, that's something that you know, 250 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: some of us can relate to where you see, like, 251 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, he had some struggles there as a dad, 252 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: like all of us do, where it's like, you know, 253 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: sleepless nights and kids drive you crazy, but he was 254 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: always there and determined to make sure because he missed 255 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: out on so much being a player, that he wanted 256 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: to not miss out anymore. You know now that he 257 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: was no longer you know, the guy who was committed 258 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: to playing basketball for a living. 259 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: Am I going too far? 260 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: Saying like when you got the text, you saw the tweet, 261 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: it felt like someone in your own family a date, 262 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: Like your immediate sort of reaction to it, it did 263 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: to me, and I don't know that. That's just because 264 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: of what the nature of what we've done. We've made 265 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: a basketball show for what near in fifteen years now, 266 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: so he's an entire you know it, basically his entire career. 267 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: We've been watching his fans and then before he did 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the spiraling into the show, it's like, you know, we 269 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: don't have a real connection with him. We did the 270 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: video with him and an All Star weekend, You're right, Test, 271 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: it was so much fun, hilarious task trying to get 272 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: Kobe to apologize for scooring eighty one against the Raptors. 273 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, we didn't like we weren't talking 274 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: to Kobe. We did him on the. 275 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Show all the time, stuff like that. But it's just 276 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: because he's the one word guy. It's we just were 277 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: always talking about him and and we've been talking about 278 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: it forever too. 279 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 5: Like I talked about Kobe Bryant in middle school with 280 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 5: my friends. I talked about him in college with that 281 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 5: set of friends. I've talked to him about him a 282 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 5: lot with you guys since then. I had group texts 283 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 5: this past week about who's the greatest of all time, Michael, 284 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 5: Kobe or Lebron You know you're will never stop cough 285 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 5: talking about Kobe Bryant. Uh, but we've been talking about him. 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 5: He's been a part of our lives for twenty five years. 287 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 5: So yeah, it definitely hits hard. 288 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: I remember when he was first drafted and he came 289 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: into the league and I'd heard about this young guy 290 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: out of high school, athletic, guy who could dark his 291 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 3: dad used to play. And you know, this was around 292 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: ninety six, ninety seven, so basketball at that point still 293 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: wasn't mainstream in Australia. So you know, you saw clips 294 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: on the news or wherever. I remember thing like jee'z 295 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: pretty pretty athletic. This guy like he sort of looks 296 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: like Jordan, a young Jordan there. But you know a 297 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: lot of guys can do that in their first couple 298 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: of years. Will this guy be able to live up 299 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: to it? And then it wasn't until the finals in 300 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: two thousand against the Pacers were actually saw on that 301 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: on the big stage. Him step up and he was 302 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: only twenty one then or maybe twenty two, but he like, 303 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I was like, oh my god, 304 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: this guy already is delivering in the clutch in the playoffs, 305 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: in the finals, on the road for the Lakers, like 306 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: we might actually have the next Jordan, you know. And 307 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: and he had the cool fro. He looked cool. He 308 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: was big, he had you know, he could throw down 309 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: those dunks, he could hit the big shots. But he 310 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: also seemed to have that like I'm way better than 311 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: everyone else on the court, you know. He had that swagger. 312 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and which that something like that or like all today, 313 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, you heard every talking head saying like the 314 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: number one thing is like that competitive nature, right, he 315 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: just worked harder. This always blows my mind. It's like 316 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: all these guys in the NBA to make it to 317 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: that level, they are out working everybody else to get 318 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: to that level. But even at the most elite level 319 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: of professional basketball, there's another level for the very few 320 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: that these guys who have worked, trust me, harder than anyone, 321 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, to make it there in the first place, 322 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: are even going like. 323 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: Whoa, No, that's different. That's crazy to me when you 324 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: think about it. Yeah, it's like one thing for us 325 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: to be like, oh, yeah, that's. 326 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 5: Crazy, but like they're they're there, And to task his point, 327 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 5: that's why he's been able was able to succeed away 328 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: from basketball immediately as well too, the just the drive 329 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 5: to be the best at what he was doing. I 330 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 5: saw a tweet from Jeff Stotts, who runs in street clothes, 331 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 5: about here, it's like an injury database. He was talking 332 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 5: about an article Brad Baxter Holmes was doing on Kobe, 333 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 5: and he was saying, I want to double check these 334 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 5: injuries here. I got forty one. Sounds like a lot 335 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 5: of over twenty year career to miss time for forty 336 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 5: one injuries. The real number was one hundred and forty one. 337 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: Kobe played through one hundred and forty one injuries while 338 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: he was playing in the NBA. That's like insane. The 339 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 5: guy took free throws with a torn achilles ye yeah, 340 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 5: like pinching it together so it wouldn't fall apart so 341 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: he could actually walk off the court. The desire to 342 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 5: be great and the desire to be mentioned amongst the 343 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: greatest of all time is insane for Kobe. And that's 344 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 5: why we talk about him so much. 345 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 346 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and hopefully his legacy will be you know, not 347 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: just basketball. But I think he was he was on 348 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 4: his way to really affecting the women's game because he was, like, 349 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: as Rebecca Loba tweeted today Rebecca Lobo said, no NBA 350 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: player supported WNBA or women's college basketball more than Kobe. 351 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: He attended games, watched on TV, coach the next generation. 352 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: We pray for his family, and I think he would 353 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: have swung like whether you know, Gianna would have been 354 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 4: a WNBA player, I think he would have swung it 355 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: to even bigger heights. I think that would have just 356 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 4: been part of his legacy and hopefully it continues that way. Other, 357 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: you know, the legacy, other than his three children, which 358 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: obviously will be a huge part of it. I just 359 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: think that he he wasn't done, and that's the sad thing. 360 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: Like there's there was a lot more Kobe to be 361 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: had other than his playing career, and that's that's the 362 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 4: very very sad thing. 363 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I saw a lot of people tweeting 364 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: this idea. Chris Mannix is one of them. 365 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: You know. 366 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: I wonder what they will do at All Star weekend 367 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: right around the corner in Chicago. I think Chris says, 368 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: Team Lebronch maybe they're all wearing number eights and Team 369 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: honest is all wearing number twenty four. That's you know, 370 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: that seems like a no brainer to do something like that, 371 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people loving that idea. 372 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, I keep coming back like, yeah, we're not 373 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: going to get the Kobe Hall of Fame speech, We're 374 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: not going to see the statue, you know, the Kobe 375 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: statue with him one Valiant and stuff like that. It's 376 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: like that, those things like you put all that work 377 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: in for the twenty years and then it's like just 378 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: taken from you, like that in in a helicopter. 379 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: USh. 380 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, it's one of those moments where you try 381 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: to find the right words, but it doesn't seem that 382 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: they're out there really. You know, that's just it's a 383 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: feeling and it's an emotion, and it's you know, we're 384 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: going to go to bed tonight and wake up in 385 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: the morning and hope that this is not real. R 386 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's funny. I remember it was about ten 387 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: years ago. I was just started working at The Score, 388 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: and I was building a World Cup feature on the 389 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: Soccer World Cup, and I was trying to get any 390 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: star players i could. The Lakers are in town in Toronto, 391 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: so obviously everyone's trying to get Kobe Bryant, and he 392 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: didn't do any media before the game. After the game, 393 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: the Lakers lost by two points. Kobe missed the game 394 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: winner that would have a three point that would have 395 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: given him the game, and he missed it. And in 396 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: the scrum afterwards, like obviously, everyone's just waiting for Kobe, 397 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 3: and he talked about it, talked about the game. He 398 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: wasn't you know, he wasn't down and out. He answered 399 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: the questions, yeah, I missed a shot, you know whatever, 400 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And afterwards, I was just standing there 401 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: with the mic and with the cameraman and I'm like, well, 402 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: this is my shot, this is my shot. Kobe is 403 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: right here. If I want to try to get him, 404 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: it's going to be right now. And I just said, 405 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 3: excuse me, Kobe, and you know, something like that, And 406 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 3: I said, I'm doing a feature on the World Cup. 407 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: I know you spend time in Italy. Can I just 408 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: ask you some question? 409 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: You know? 410 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: Coby's like, yeah, sure, man, And so Ryan Stratton was 411 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: the camera. I said, get that camera on right now, 412 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: right now, and I just blurted out like five crazy 413 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: questions to Kobe. Nervous as anything, you know, barely on 414 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: the payroll at the score. I wasn't really supposed to 415 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: be for sure, you're not supposed to be there. And 416 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, Kobe, you know you're 417 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: obviously a great athlete. Did you ever try soccer? And 418 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I tried. I was two big. And 419 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: then then I said I was talking about Italy. I said, 420 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: what about Italy? They got a chance? He said, yeah, 421 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: there are a chance. Yeah, but I'm going for America, 422 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: of course. And then I said, I give me a 423 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: score in Italian for the final. You know, I don't 424 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: know what the hell does that mean? You know. Kobe said, 425 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: like USA sink on New Year or something like that 426 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: was five nil. And I said, thanks heaven norvous man. 427 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: And I came home to Rocksanna and I just like 428 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 3: walked in the I said, I can't believe I just 429 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: got Kobe. I got him, I got him. I have 430 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: no idea how it's going to turn out. It's I 431 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: blurted some crazy stuff at him, but he answered it. 432 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: And it was probably only ninety seconds, but to me, 433 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: it was just like, oh my god, that's I've hit 434 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 3: the jackpot here. Yeah, and it fortunately. 435 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: That's similar with us when we got him at d 436 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: those early days. 437 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, is that Phoenix. Now it was twenty ten, Dallas, 438 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: So Dallas. We're lucky to get him, and very much likely. 439 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: I mean he Kobe was extremely gracious, but he had 440 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 4: a young TASML yelling at his ear. I mean I 441 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: was yelling because it was extremely loud in that room, 442 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: but also because he had literally hundreds of screaming fans 443 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: yelling at him. So even though I had a microphone 444 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: in my hand and it's supposed to take in your 445 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: voice and amplify it, I yelled as loud as I 446 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: could because I thought Kobe couldn't hear me. He was gracious, 447 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: He was very, very gracious. He was He was calm 448 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: and handled my stupid questions. Not that your questions are stupidly, 449 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: but handled my dumb questions for sure. He handled them 450 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: very well. 451 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: I'm surprised he could hear what I was saying. I 452 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: just was just so nervous, so sweaty. It was the middle. 453 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: It was February or January. Yeah, I was freezing in Toronto, 454 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: but I was perspiring heavily in the locker room there. 455 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: And I said this recently, I think here on the 456 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: podcast too, which because another reason this is so weird. 457 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: It's like when we started the show back in two 458 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: thousand and six, you know, mid January, Well, the Kobe 459 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: goes for eighty one against the Raptors, like a few 460 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: days later. I mean it was probably like the second 461 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: thing show we then were talking about that. 462 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: I remember that, right, which is sort of just surreal. Yeah. 463 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a it's it sucks. There's no 464 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: other way to put it. It's so sad. It's just 465 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: damn down, damn depressing, is what it is. Do you 466 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: have I mean, just because we were like, I like this. 467 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad we're doing this because I'm talking it out 468 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: and I hope people are digging this as well. But 469 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite Kobe like game or moment 470 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: or like, what will you when somebody says, Kobe ten 471 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: years twenty years from nolle, where will your mind go? 472 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: Right away? 473 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 5: The first Kobe thing that I ever liked was the 474 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 5: two thousand and six playoffs against the Suns where he's 475 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 5: part of the huge steal on Steve Nash at half 476 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 5: Courtney comes down and he hits the game tying shot 477 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 5: with point seven left in regulation, and it's like a 478 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 5: floater that somehow goes off the glass despite the fact 479 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: that he's on the baseline. I was like, I don't 480 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 5: know how somebody makes that shot, let alone makes that 481 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: shot at that moment of the game in the playoffs 482 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 5: to send it to overtime, like the touch. Just the 483 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 5: fact that he had every single shot in the bag 484 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 5: was amazing. And then it comes to overtime, wins the 485 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 5: jump ball, dribbles straight to his spot, straight to the 486 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 5: right elbow, pops the game winning jumper from the free 487 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 5: throw line, pulls the jersey to the side. This was 488 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 5: in the eight Days, and that's when I was like, 489 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 5: Kobe's undeniable. He is undeniably right right now. Yeah, he 490 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 5: just that's like a movie. Oh my god, it's exactly right. 491 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 5: It's crazy like ushering him. Yeah, come right to your spot, 492 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 5: hit this perfect shot. Make sure you hit your mark. 493 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 5: You're gonna want to be right on that X. We 494 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 5: got the shot set up for your right here, and 495 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 5: he just dreams it. That was awesome. 496 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be a good statue I think for him, 497 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: you know, shirt, it could be that or standing on that. 498 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: There's the classic when we're sending on the thing. 499 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 4: It's got to have the definitely the jar the lower 500 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: jaw out. I think, yeah, somehow. 501 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: Do you have a game or a moment. 502 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: Well, it's Game four from the two thousand finals against 503 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: the Paces. Shack foils out. It goes to overtime and 504 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: Kobe hits three baskets in overtime, and the last one 505 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: is like a put back where he sort of comes 506 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: from underneath the backboard and sort of tipped it over 507 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: his head and then you see him run over to 508 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: the Lakers bench as the Paces call the time out 509 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: and Kobe's got the It's all right, guys, calm down, 510 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 3: I got this, I got this. And again I was like, 511 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: this guy's twenty one and he's and he's that composed already. 512 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: And they went three one up in the series and 513 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: that was their first championship. And again a bit like 514 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: Trey was saying, like all right, Kobe's legit. That the moment, 515 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: Famili where I was like, Okay, this guy is living 516 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: up to the hype. This is going to be pretty 517 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: exciting to see just how good he can be. 518 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, when he was the news bro that he was 519 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: retiring and stuff like that, and we were getting the 520 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: goodbye Kobe year there half year whatever. It was like 521 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: we were doing like top ten lists on the show 522 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and I remember we did like 523 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: the top ten games like Kobe games, and like how 524 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: much fun we'd had, like debating like where everything goes 525 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: and like what doesn't make the list and stuff like that. 526 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: But you said, like, there's definitely the one that that 527 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: game four, Like you said of the two thousand finals, 528 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: you got the game winner versus the Suns the one, 529 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: he said, and there's tons more. Obviously the game where 530 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: he hit twelve threes the guy was it was the 531 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: one like he was like not an amazing knockdown three 532 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: point art as he hits twelve threes in a game. 533 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: And on random January. 534 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: Two thousand and three game against the Sonics MSG the 535 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: sixty one, the sixty two versus the MAVs in the 536 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: three quarters, which was wild. And then of course the 537 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: eighty one Raptors tons on and on and on. They're 538 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: so awesome. 539 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, eighty one for me because I never saw another 540 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 4: human do it in the NBA, and no one, you know, 541 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: Wilt did in the sixties. Obviously did the hundred, but 542 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: you know, the eighty one was special because it was 543 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: it was Kobe, you know, Kobe at his best. It 544 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: was also sort of his downfall, the fact that he 545 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: shot every single time and part of the reason why 546 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 4: some people didn't like him. But you know, when you 547 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: look back at the way Kobe played, some people just 548 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 4: can't do what he did, even if they're misshots. Some 549 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: people just can't shoot that much. You know. It's a 550 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: little bit of the Russell Westbrook scenario that we that 551 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: were watching today and eighty one. Man, no one's done it, 552 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: No one. 553 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: So crazy that happens. 554 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: They were down too, I mean, he was definitely getting 555 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: some points there at the end when it was out 556 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: of reach and the Raptors were not winning that game, 557 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: but they were down eighteen like in the third, and 558 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: he caught fire. I mean, he had the massive second 559 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: half in that one. Obviously, I guess we're eighty one, 560 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna have some massive halfs. 561 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, not have at least one big half if you're 562 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: going for eighty one. 563 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 3: I guess he had a few moments against the Raptors too. 564 00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: There. 565 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 3: Actually there was a game in Toronto I remember as well, 566 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 3: another one where he had a big one. He had 567 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: forty six and afterwards he said listen only come to 568 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: Canada once a year. I want to put on a show. 569 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 3: And it felt like he did that, you know, like 570 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 3: that he that it did mean something to him because 571 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: you know, that was like a Jordan type thing where 572 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: I know that there's there's some kids in the stand, 573 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: this is the only game they're ever going to see. 574 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 3: I want them to remember it. And so he had 575 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: that showmanship quality about him. You know, he liked to 576 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: put it on. And you know in the All Star 577 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: Games as well, particularly in those early years, he liked 578 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: to he liked to show off in those. 579 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: Those m vps for sure. 580 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of that this, I remember I found this court 581 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: when we were doing the Hall, like Kobe was retiring stuff, 582 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: and like, I think it's just so perfect. Michael Rosenberg 583 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: of s A He said the NBA is appealing for 584 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: two fundamental reasons, the artistry of the game itself and 585 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: the personalities of the stars. Nobody of this generation epitomized both. 586 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: Late Kobe Bryant's like spot. 587 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 3: On on the Lakers too, like on the biggest market, 588 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: the biggest team, you know, that's that's the other thing. 589 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: To be able to live up to that sort of 590 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: a market. It is very, very tough. But he did it. 591 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did anything else, guys, I mean this wee 592 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: we again. We're coming in here late on Sunday night. 593 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: Well left this one of course, breathe here on Monday. 594 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: We'll get back into the swing of things. Don't you 595 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: worry with the daily podcast and stuff like that. We 596 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: got some specials coming up too, But anything else to 597 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: add I mean, I'm glad we did this. I am 598 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: actually I'm oddly feeling better than when we first sat 599 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 1: down here. 600 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it. 601 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: Maybe just smiling and talking hoops with the guys and 602 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: thinking about his career. I mean, as sad as it 603 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: all is, it does you know it it brightens you 604 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: up a little bit. 605 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 606 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: I loved his final game. As another thing that it'll 607 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 5: always stick with me. The Warriors were going for NBA history. 608 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: They were gonna win their seventy third game that game 609 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 5: that same night, and nobody cared. Everybody was watching Kobe 610 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 5: take fifty shots. Do you even remember who he played? 611 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 2: It was the Jazz. Yeah, nobody cares about that either. 612 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: He took fifty. 613 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: Shots, scored sixty points. He might think, Yeah, fifty shots. 614 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 5: Who cares sixty points. That's Kobe Bryant. 615 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: Man. 616 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: That was what a way to go out. 617 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 5: What a perfect way for him to go out of 618 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: the NBA, taking as many shots as he wants and 619 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 5: scoring sixty points. 620 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: And he made a joke about out to say, you know, 621 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: people always telling me like you shoot too much on 622 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 3: not to not I'm telling me to shoot. 623 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 4: They started really hot too, right, like he was really 624 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 4: a fishing at first. If I did see the step 625 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 4: right in that game. In that game, yeah, yeah, yeah. 626 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: Well the Jazz had a late too in that one light, 627 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: didn't they end? Yeah, well that. 628 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: The place was going bombers when he's hitting the shots 629 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: the three of the failure. Everybody please on the side going. 630 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's obviously respecting the legend and giving him, you know, 631 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 4: another half foot of space as well, just shots up too, 632 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. 633 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, we're gonna call there. 634 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean, look, our deepest condolences are obviously going out 635 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: to Vanessa, the Atire, Bryant family, everyone with the Lakers, 636 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Lakers organization, the NBA in general. But uh yeah, so 637 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: we'll we'll you'll hear from us a little bit later 638 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: this week.