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Speaker 1: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 1: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, September tenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton. I am co

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Variety alongside Ramin Setuda. I'm in

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Speaker 1: LA He's in New York, and Variety has reporters around

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Speaker 1: the world covering the business of entertainment. In today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we'll have our cover story segment with TV editor Michael

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Speaker 1: Schneider discussing the quality time that he spent with one

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Speaker 1: Kathy Bates. She's the cover star of our annual pre

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Speaker 1: Emmy Awards issue. And we'll also hear from Emily longeretta

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Speaker 1: senior TV features editor, on how she puts together our

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Speaker 1: annual TV Producer's Impact List. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: here are a few headlines just in this morning that

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Speaker 1: you need to know. Netflix and Amazon have joined forces

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Speaker 1: in the effort to sell more advertising. The tech giants

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Speaker 1: will team up to share programmatic revenue opportunities. It's a

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Speaker 1: sign that programmatic advertising inventory, the low hanging fruit of

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Speaker 1: inventory unleashed in recent years by outlets including Netflix and Amazon.

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Speaker 1: More Netflix News. Netflix has set October ninth as the

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Speaker 1: launch date for its Victoria Beckham docuseries titled Beckham. Fathom

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Speaker 1: Entertainment plans to celebrate one hundred years of Dick Vandyke

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Speaker 1: in December. The independent film distributor will run the retrospective

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Speaker 1: feature Dick Van dyke hundredth Celebration in theaters as a

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Speaker 1: two night event on December thirteenth and December fourteenth. Dick

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Speaker 1: of these stories and so much more can be found

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Speaker 1: on Variety dot Com. Right now. Now, we turn to

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Speaker 1: conversations with Variety journalists about news and friends and show business.

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Speaker 1: In today's cover story segment, Michael Schneider tells all about

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Speaker 1: his time with the awesome and Emmy nominated star Kathy Bates.

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Speaker 1: Before we talked to Mike. Let's hear a clip from

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Speaker 1: Bates talking about how she came to star in the

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Speaker 1: CBS drama Matt Locke that earned her this Emmy nomination.

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Speaker 1: This comes from Varieties Actors on Actress series that ran

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Speaker 1: in June. Bates is conversing here with Billy Bob Thornton.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I first read the script, I thought

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Speaker 2: I'm in, because I really had one foot out the door.

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Speaker 2: I just felt that I was getting small roles that

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Speaker 1: It today, Michael, thank you for taking time out of

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Speaker 1: your busy Emmy week to talk to us about the

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Speaker 1: great Kathy Bates.

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Speaker 3: Always glad to talk about the one and only national

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Speaker 1: The issue that comes out the week before the Emmy Awards.

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Speaker 1: Always in the last bunch of years has featured a

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Speaker 1: Tell us about your experience with the awesomeness of Kathy Bates.

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Speaker 3: She's one of the great stories of the year when

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Speaker 3: you look at what a smash Matlock has become and

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Speaker 3: how Kathy Bates was at the center of it, and

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Speaker 3: infectious talking to her. She looks fantastic, she's got more

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Speaker 3: She's got these beautiful blue eyes and she's always looking

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Speaker 1: But you really just capture she is so invested in

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Speaker 1: a terrific portrait. Profiles of very well known people are

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Speaker 1: In addition to covering the Emmy Awards Soup to Nuts

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Speaker 1: Variety dot Com. Right now is our annual drum Roll

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Speaker 4: There are so many talented producers in this business, and

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Speaker 4: So this year we decided to focus on shows that

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Speaker 4: One of the big things. There's also producers who shepherd

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Speaker 1: Being here in southern California, it's literally been for a

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Speaker 1: If you want to get something done, give it to

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Speaker 1: so much, Emily. I can't wait to see what all

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Speaker 1: good news for US fans. Thanks for listening. This episode

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Speaker 1: was written and reported by me Cynthia Littleton, with contributions

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Speaker 1: from Michael Schneider and Emily Longerretta. It was edited by

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