1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Let four times. Welcome to the show. One Doll's lives 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: that in Michalot of help. We're coming here from One 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Bills Drive, Orchard Park, New York. It's a cloudy day 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: here and obe gonna be four thunderstorms in the forecast 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: for later on. But come off a great weekend, good 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: weather weekend, and good weather headed into the rest of 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: the week. Good afternoon. Welcome, it's a little bit afternoon. 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: John Murphy here and on one Buffalo Studio, joined by 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: our buddy Chris Brown Bills Insider from Buffalo bills dot Com. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: He's in for Steve today. Thank you, Brennie, thanks for 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: coming by the latest edition of Where in the World 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Is Steve Jasker. Steve is off today, He'll be off 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: the next week, Carmen Sandy. Steve will be with us 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the week, though, especially when we move 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: out to a training camp for our first show coming 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: up on Thursday. And we're having a brownie here. Chris, 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: I haven't talked in a while. You were I was 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: on vacation. You were on vacation. Yea. I came back, 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: you came back a week later. I was off three 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: days last week. We've kind of been going at different places, 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: different paces for the last couple of weeks. Good to 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: have you here the passing ships if you will, yes, 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, everybody's kind of Today's kind of the day, right, Yeah, 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: where you know, the Monday before camp opens, it's like 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: the day where everybody kind of gets back in the building, 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: gets settled in again, and gets ready for what's going 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: to be a six seven month Yeah here, I got 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: that sense. Today we had, you know, our morning meeting. 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: At morning it's almost like first day school, right or 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: maybe to getting ready for the first day shore. Everybody's back. 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: Most people have completed their vacation time. Most people are 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: looking ahead to Thursday in the start of training camp 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: and get our school supplies, get your school supplies. You 34 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: start thinking about what has to get done over the 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: next few days before you go to camp. It's it's 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: a good feeling, right, It's it's the start of a 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: new year. It's exciting. Kind of Yeah, I like it. 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to turn the page at some point, 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: and I know you always like turning the page. Where 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: is it the Combine Senior Bowl Senior Bowl, that's where 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: you like turning the page into the next year. But 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: this is really where the rubber meets the row this 43 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: time of year. So yeah, three days away and we'll 44 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: be out. They're covering a night practice, so pretty crazy. 45 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: You were in a couple of was it last week? 46 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: Did you do shows last week with Steve? You did? 47 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I did one show last week? Yep? Okay, yep, last Wednesday? Yes, 48 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: And then they had a Pete was here on Thursday. Okay, trying. 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: I was off a couple of days getting ready for 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: a family wedding. My son got married Saturday. Great weekend. 51 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: Everything went smooth, everybody behaved. As the father of the groom, 52 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: was that a question? Was there a question as to 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: whether that would happen? Yes? Okay. As the father of 54 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: the groom, I determined fairly early on that my job 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: was simply to stay out of trouble, just to not 56 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: do anything wrong, and I think I accomplished that well. 57 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: And you always hear what the mother of the groom 58 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: is supposed to do. Be quiet, don't do anything, and 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: wear beige. Used to be the old line or something, 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: But there's no line for the father of the groom, 61 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: isn't there There's no line, just no just stay all 62 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: the way and be on time, be ready to help. 63 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: I took time off last Wednesday, Thursday, Friday months ago, 64 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna need me, something's gonna have to be 65 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: done last minute and every day. And I started last 66 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: week Monday and Tuesday. I would check in with the principles, 67 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: my son, the groom and other people and say what 68 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: do you need? What can I do? Nothing, We're all set, 69 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: We're all set. Consequently, I got in some golf last Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 70 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: but that was all I had to do. It was 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: there was for yourself a drink. Yeah, it was great. 72 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: It was great, and it's great to be back, and 73 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: it's great to look ahead to do to a new 74 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: training camp. And I were just talking a moment ago 75 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: the nineteenth training camp at Saint John Fisher College. I 76 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: remember the first one like it was yesterday, Chris that 77 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: there was some interesting logistics that first year. Wade was 78 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: the coach who was his third season, third and final 79 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: season and final season. I didn't want to mention that, 80 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: but Phil glad you did. And I remember sitting in 81 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: the middle of a student lounge with Wade standing there 82 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: at the leftern and it was it was weird. Because 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: here we are at an NFL press conference at training camp, 84 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know, for a brief second it felt 85 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: like I was I was in a lecture hall or 86 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: something on a college campus and Wade was the professor. 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: It just that went threw me a little bit. But uh, 88 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: it's it's really morphed and changed into this dynamic training 89 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: camp setup. I mean, when you think about how they 90 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: were still kind of getting all their ducks in a 91 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: row that first year or two to where it is now, 92 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, with multiple fields, stands, all that stuff. I 93 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: just think the layout there. The best part about it, 94 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: at least from a fan perspective and for us in 95 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the media, is it's everything's walkable, you know, Like some 96 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: of these college campuses are gigantic, right and you know, 97 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean even if they used to use the golf carts, 98 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, because think the spread out in nature of things, 99 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: and you don't have to do that at Fisher. Everything 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: is walkable and right in front of you. The one 101 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: thing too, and it's evolved. It's more so this like 102 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: this every year training camp has become to me kind 103 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: of a football theme park too, and it's set up 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: for fans. It's we know that the IDF it went 105 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: to Rochester to engage that part of the state of 106 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: the Rochester area and points to the east, get them, 107 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, involved in Buffalo Bill's football. That has worked. 108 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: It's been a tremendous success. But it is a theme park, right, 109 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean think about it. You you take the shuttle 110 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: buses over as a fan, you walk through the merchandise tent. 111 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: There's food stands, there's giveaways, free stuff to get. There 112 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: are practice fields on the back end. There there's the 113 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: setups for games for kids to play. You can literally, 114 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: if there's a saying eight forty five and practice, you 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: can get there at eight thirty in the morning and 116 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: get out of there at eleven in the morning and 117 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: have at least one half day of good quality family 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: summer fun right with your favorite football team. It's it's 119 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: it's a theme park. That's what I tell people. Yeah, 120 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: the theme park for football fans essentially. Yeah, I mean 121 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: it's and that's what every team's tried to do. Although 122 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: it is interesting because I saw the stats at the 123 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: NFL put out or I I mean, I think we're 124 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: down to only about ten or eleven NFL clubs that 125 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: go somewhere else for training camp instead of doing it 126 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: at their own home base, their normal in season practice facility. 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: So I mean two thirds of the league now are 128 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: just doing it in house at home, and I find 129 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: that very interesting. I don't I don't think. I don't 130 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: get the sense the Bills will ever go that route 131 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: because at their core, they're a regional franchise, right, you know, 132 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: they need to be out there and have a Rochester 133 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: presence because well, I think the last I checked, fifteen 134 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: percent of the season ticket base comes from Rochester, like 135 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: another fifteen percent comes from southern Ontario. So you've got 136 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: to market and be out there in front of those people, 137 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: just to remind them of your presence. Just a couple 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: of months ago, when Russ Brandon left the team make First, 139 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation, well, that's it, Fisher 140 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: is not going to be around much longer for a 141 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: training camp. I didn't think so then and I don't 142 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: think so now. That departure by Brandon meant the end 143 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: of training camp in Rochester because of what you just said, 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: It is a it's a multiplier for the interest in 145 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: Bill's football that part of the state, and when you're 146 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: there and you talk to fans, Act, talk to fans. 147 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: There are people coming from downstate New York who probably 148 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: would balk in another couple of hours, maybe three hours 149 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: in the car to get from Rochester to Fredonia where 150 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: the Bills used to be. It's a it's a it's 151 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: a great thing for fans. It means a lot for fans. 152 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: They have the access and the opportunity to be around 153 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: the players and to be around Bills football like that. 154 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: I like you, I don't see it going away. They 155 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: have what a multi year agreement left a couple of 156 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: years left at least in the agreement. I would not 157 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: be surprised if that continues, even with the improvements made 158 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: here to the complex in Orchard Park. I think I 159 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: think they get a lot of benefit out of training 160 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: camp in Roger. And if there's anybody that knows intimately 161 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: what the team means to fans in Rochester, it's Kim Pagoula. 162 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Act, she grew up in Fairport. She kind 163 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: of has been around what Bills football has meant there 164 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: growing up. So you know, I got to imagine that 165 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: having intimate knowledge of that tie and that bond, she's 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: certainly going to respect that. The question always becomes, Chris, 167 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about today, by the way, 168 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: and some good guests are going to get to those 169 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: guys in a second. The question becomes does the football 170 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: department want to go away to camp? And I think 171 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're now a year going into our second 172 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: year with Sean McDermott and Randon mean they have derived 173 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: to benefit from moving away, moving off site, having you know, 174 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the small campus there, as you said, everything's walkable, having 175 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the complete attention of players for a little bit more 176 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: than a three week time span. The benefits one might 177 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: get from moving off site include team bonding, team building, right, 178 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: And I think McDermott being and the rest of the 179 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: football department appreciate that see that here. Whether or not 180 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: you know that continues is obviously always up in the air, 181 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: and as the personnel changes then maybe they thought changes. 182 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: But I think this group sees a benefit to being 183 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: an off site, having the whole group together for at 184 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: least what three weeks. Now they've got three plus weeks 185 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: in Rochester with games interspersed, and obviously you've got to 186 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: get the off days in by virtue of the CBA. 187 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: But I think they see a benefit to it from 188 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: the football department, Well, you think about how this team 189 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: came together last year, I think that serves as very 190 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: good evidence that it was beneficial. And you know, I 191 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: suppose you could slice it either way you want as 192 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: a coach in the NFL, whether it's beneficial not beneficial, 193 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: sleeping in their own beds not sleeping in their own beds. 194 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: There's pros and cons to everything. But when you're a 195 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: new head coach and you're trying to get something established 196 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: in terms of a foundation and a belief in one 197 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: another and working kind of symbiotically coaches and players, if 198 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: you're traveling in the same circles twenty four hours a 199 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: day for the better part of three and a half 200 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: four weeks, you know there is a closeness that develops there. 201 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's undeniable. And it's clear that it 202 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: made a difference, at least in my estimation just observing 203 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: the team in their first year under McDermott, there was 204 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: a close knit nature to that particular group in twenty 205 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: seventeen that I just want. I don't know if it 206 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: was better, but it was different than in previous seasons 207 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: and those previous teams were also out at that training camp. 208 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: It's not like the venue is different, but I think 209 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: coach McDermot and his staff did a very good job 210 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: of taking advantage of all the pros that having camp 211 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: away from your own regular season facility offers. So here 212 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: we are three days away from the twenty eighteen Bills 213 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: Training Camp presented by Connors and Ferris, the nineteenth training 214 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: camp at Saint John Fisher College. It starts on Thursday, 215 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: five thirty pm practice. You need a ticket from that 216 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: ticket information available at our website Buffalo Bills dot com. 217 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: And then on Friday they are right back there at 218 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: two fifteen in the afternoon for another practice. You do 219 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: not need a ticket for that practices. Ticket and practices 220 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, eight forty five. Sunday morning eight forty five 221 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: Sunday is Christmas in July Day at Camp Chris one 222 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: of the several themes. To see what I mean by 223 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: theme park Christmas in July Day, there's Princess in Superhero Day. 224 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: We look forward to seeing what Chris dresses up for 225 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: that day. One Buffalo Day Pyro with the Flash theme 226 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: days at training camp that you're all of that information 227 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: available at our website, Buffalo Bills dot com three days away. 228 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: All right, on the show today as we get you 229 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: Setter training camp, we're gonna talk about it a lot. 230 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: Coming up with us at one o'clock Jason lock On 231 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: four from CBS Sports dot Com. Jason will join us. 232 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: He did a pretty exhaustive story that I think he 233 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: posted last week about the process of the Bills arriving 234 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: at Josh Allen is their first round draft pick and 235 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: fremade Edmonds as their other first round draft pick. Did 236 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: you catch that story to read that? Chris, I did 237 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of skim through it a little bit. You know, 238 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: we kind of covered some similar territory on Buffalo bills 239 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: dot com right after the draft because I got an 240 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to sit down with Brandon as well, So it 241 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: was I mean, yeah, I mean a lot of the 242 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: stuff that you know, we kind of covered ground with 243 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: with Brandon also, but it's still interesting. I mean, just 244 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: the nature of the if thens that took place as 245 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: the first round unfolded pick by pick, you know, biting 246 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: your fingernails, worried about the teams in front of you, 247 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: and after you have a trade in place, you know, 248 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, the train can be done. Now you just 249 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: need to wait for your guy to be there, and 250 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: you're looking at teams with similar needs and you're like, 251 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: oh boy, you know, is Edmond's gonna get to me? 252 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Got Oakland there, who clearly had a linebacker need and 253 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: instead went to the offensive side of the ball and 254 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: took Colton Miller. So you know, you breathe a sigh 255 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: of relief and you get your guy. But just those 256 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: dynamics of what's going to happen next and completely not knowing, 257 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, until the card is announced up at the podium, 258 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: it really makes for high drama, even when it's being 259 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: retold after the fact. One of the things that Jason story, 260 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: and we'll talk with Jason about this, one of the 261 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: things that I took out of it was how flexible 262 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: and how ready to move Brandon Bean and his staff 263 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: had to be within minutes on draft night to get 264 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Treman Edmunds, mostly even the quarterback Josh Allen. They had 265 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: to be ready to move. You wrote about it too, 266 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: and they were ready right they made their calls, they 267 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: did their work, not knowing how things might play out. 268 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: There were certain picks ahead of them that they weren't 269 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: sure we're going to go to their benefit. They did 270 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: for the most part, and even Bean admits he was 271 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: surprised to get two first round picks site when it 272 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: was all said and done, I know they were the 273 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: guys in that room in the draft room were kind 274 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: of friendly, bartering, wagering with each other about whether Tremaine 275 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Edmonds was going to get out of the top ten. 276 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: And there was a healthy contingent of people in that 277 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: Bill's draft room that didn't think he was going to 278 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: get past ten. So to get him at sixteen, I mean, 279 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: I think even the people that thought he could fall 280 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: out of the top ten, I don't think they believed 281 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: he was going to get as far as sixteen. I 282 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: think they thought by thirteen fourteen, he's off the board, 283 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: no questions asked. So to see him there at sixteen 284 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: and you're the team getting him and more importantly not 285 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: giving up picks in twenty nineteen to get back up 286 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: the board two sixteen to get Edmonds, I mean, that's 287 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: just that's the feather in your cap if you're Brandon 288 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: being yep. So we'll talk with Jason lack On for 289 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: about that at one o'clock and other league issues. Coming 290 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: up at two o'clock Thad Brown, sports director at w 291 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: ro OCTV in Rochester. He'll be live on the Life. Well, 292 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about training camp heading back to Rochester for 293 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: the nineteenth consecutive year, plus other Bills issues with Dan Brown. 294 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: We may talk about this. And this just came out 295 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Ian Rappaport from NFL Network rap Sheet. Here's 296 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: his tweet, running back Lashan McCoy is reporting to the 297 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Bills training camp with the rest of the veterans on Wednesday, 298 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: sources tell Mike Garafollo and me. Unless his status changes 299 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: with the league. It has not. The team is expected 300 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: to treat him like any other player. That's from Ian Rappaport. 301 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: We anticipated, I guess over the last few days. I anticipated. 302 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: Didn't tweet anything because I don't do that, but I 303 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: anticipated that that would be the case that Shady McCoy 304 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: would unless something changed. And look, it's been almost two weeks, 305 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: no criminal charges filed, no real criminal issue really revealed 306 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: by the police department down there in Milton, Georgia that 307 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: until something changed, that he would be at camp. Ian 308 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Rappaport apparently has checked and says that McCoy will be 309 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: there with the rest of the veterans on Wednesday. You 310 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: would anticipate that would me need to be on the 311 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: field at practice at first practice on Thursday? Do you 312 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: think of that, Chris, I'm not surprised. I mean, until 313 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: there are formal charges, you know, legitimate evidence or an 314 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: investigations completed by the police department, this is the route 315 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: you have to go, you know. I mean, we live 316 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: in a society where it's innocent until proven guilty. So 317 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the way you've got to take this, 318 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,359 Speaker 1: no matter how you feel about the allegations, the accusations, 319 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the links that have been made, you know, between McCoy 320 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: and this situation. Innocent until proven guilty. So the team 321 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: business as usual until the dynamic changes in terms of 322 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: a the investigation, be evidence or see charges. Yeah, it's 323 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: interesting and I've you know, I'd like to remain open 324 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: minded and try to learn from situations. And in the 325 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: two weeks since the McCoy news broke, I've learned this 326 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: that don't jump too soon. Right, two weeks ago the 327 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: news came out, was it Tuesday? Right? Two weeks ago tomorrow, 328 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: It'll be two weeks ago tomorrow. Initially, you're like, oh, 329 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: this is bad, this is not going to be good. McCoy, 330 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, could be in big trouble. Two weeks later, 331 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: no real movement by the police agency down there. You 332 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: would anticipate the investigation has been ongoing by the league 333 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: they said it was, and the Buffalo Bills monitoring that 334 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: pretty closely. The Bills aware of the situation. No action 335 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: at all. As Chris said, what else can you do? Right, 336 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: you have to move forward until something happened. So I 337 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: don't know what happened down there. None of us know 338 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: what happened. There's a lot of instant knee jerk opinions 339 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the day it went down, conjectured right, but none of 340 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: us know. The police department actively investigating this for a 341 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, have yet to come up with anything. 342 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: They may still and it may still require some action 343 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: by the league or the Buffalo Bills, but I don't 344 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: see them there the way to do what they're doing. 345 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport says, McCoy will be report to camp on Wednesday, 346 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: many of the players checking in on Wednesday, first practice 347 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: on Thursday. What else can you do? Just wait and see. 348 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's what I've learned, Chris, just be patient, right, 349 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: you don't need an answer right away. That was you 350 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: know that. There was a lot of knee jerk reaction 351 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: two weeks ago on Tuesday about this is they gotta 352 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: do this, they gotta do that. Yeah, I mean something happened, 353 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: we know that. And absent any criminal charges, all we 354 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: have our allegations right made on social media. I don't 355 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: know that you can just go with that. No, you can't. 356 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: And that's why an investigation is taking place, because that 357 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: is what we'll get concrete answers or as concrete answers 358 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: as they can find, you know, based on the police 359 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: work that has to be done. Just got to do 360 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: a good old fashioned police work, get to the bottom 361 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: of what happened, who was responsible, and why, and then 362 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: go from there. Because apps and that, that's all it is, 363 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: just sweeping allegations on social media. That's really all you have, 364 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: right Yeah, So we'll keep on top of that as 365 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: much as we can. We'll talk with you about that 366 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: as much as you'd like. The phone lines open at 367 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: eight O three fifty and toll free one eight eight 368 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: by fifty two five fifty, or you can reach us 369 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter. We do have a Twitter poll up today too, 370 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: and we want to talk to you about that. It 371 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: deals with the start of training camp and the people 372 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: who may be important figures at training camp this year, 373 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: and we want to hear from you about that camp countdown. 374 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Who will be this year's training camp sleeper and why 375 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: you know it happens every year. We used to have 376 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a co workers, Chris, who would come to me like 377 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: two practices in the camp and they say, okay, who's 378 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: your sleeper? And I would say, we're two practices in. 379 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't give me a week at least, but we 380 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: even before we get to camp. You'd like to think 381 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: who's going to surprise people with how good they are, 382 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: how much they have to offer, and what their potential 383 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: role might be for the Buffalo Bills this year. That's 384 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: our Twitter poll question, who will be this year's training 385 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: camp sleeper? And why you can call us up let 386 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: us know what you think eight oh three oh five 387 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: fifty or toll free one eight eight eight five fifty 388 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: two five fifty or tweeted in vote on a Twitter 389 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: poll or a comment on Twitter. Right now, Robert Foster 390 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: gets it's pretty close vote, which we always think is 391 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 1: the side of a pretty good Twitter poll. Robert Foster 392 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: gets the vote of thirty seven percent of our Twitter respondents, 393 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: which I think is interesting. Undrafted rookie free agent Robert 394 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: Foster that presumably folks don't know a whole lot about 395 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: rookie from Alabama's got good size. I don't know if 396 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: it's because his name was mentioned in the paper, Chris 397 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: mentioned him on Buffalo Bills dot com. But thirty seven 398 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: percent say Robert Foster is going to be this year's 399 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: training camp sleeper. Thirty three percent I like this peak 400 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: this pick, say Rod Streeterer, the veteran receiver who got 401 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: hurt last year in training camp, and I was recovered 402 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: and may have something to offer the Bills receiving corps. 403 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: Seventeen percent of our respondents say Philip Gaines, the cornerback. 404 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: He's kind of the forgotten guy in that cornerback corps. 405 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows the draft pick Terren Johnson, but 406 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: he and Philip Gaines are going to be locked in 407 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: that nickel cornerback battle. And the thing that's the most 408 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: interesting about that position battle, Murph, is the fact that 409 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: they had come from two completely different skill sets. You know, 410 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Arn Johnson is that classic compact, quick as a hiccup corner, 411 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: great change of direction skills, while Philip Gains is that 412 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: long limbed, get a hand in the passing lane kind 413 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: of corner that just has a lot of field savvy 414 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: out there. So they come from two completely different schools 415 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: of playing the position, which makes I think the competition 416 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: all the more interesting and probably harder to evaluate for 417 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the coaching staff because you can't. It's not apples to apples. 418 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: You have to compare how they're both playing within the 419 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: scope of your defense and whose skill set fits better. 420 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: I think it's it's less a matter of Gains versus 421 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Johnson and more a matter of who fits the scheme better, 422 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: whereas in most other position battles it's who's playing better. 423 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the more unique position battles 424 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: here in camp because they are so different from a 425 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: player perspective. So Philippines is one of the guys that 426 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: Chris wrote about. What the other day, Chris, you had 427 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: a list of the training camp sleepers you wrote a 428 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: lot about Philip Gaines. What do you have eight training 429 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: camp seven or eight? Yeah, seven or eight training camp 430 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: sleepers on a Buffalo Bills dot com website Story Camp 431 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: Countdown number seven. Who the training camp Sleepers want air 432 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: from you? Who are the training camp Sleepers? You can 433 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: tweet it in and we'll read it on the air 434 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: if we like your tweet, or if your tweet is 435 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: interesting enough. You had Robert, did you in your alphabetical orders? 436 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: Just so medical? That was my question. So Robert Foster 437 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: finished his first alphabetically He's number one in our Twitter poll. Yeah, 438 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be interested in Robert Foster. I 439 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: will be interested as well, but I don't know that 440 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: I'm expecting a whole lot from him. Chris Well, he 441 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: had a good spring. The knock, you know, the knock 442 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: on him coming out of college besides the fact that 443 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: he didn't get a lot of time on the field 444 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: much production, So not a lot of time on the field. 445 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: He is playing at Alabama where they don't throw the ball. 446 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: A lot to be in with. But the knock on 447 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: him was lacks instincts, And so that's kind of what 448 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to key in on when I was 449 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: watching him this spring, like does he really just not 450 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: have a feel for reading coverage or or where the 451 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: hole in the zone might be. You know whatever it 452 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: is you know, are there is there an alarming lack 453 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: of instincts here, because that's the thing I kept reading 454 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: on him as the knock and I didn't get that sense. Now, granted, 455 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: it's not real football yet, nobody's in pads, nobody's playing 456 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: really full contact press at the line of scrimmage, etc. Etc. 457 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: But I will say that day in and day out, 458 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: he was making a noticeable play or two every single practice. Now, again, 459 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: there are receivers who look fantastic in shorts and helmets 460 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: in the spring, and then when the game becomes closer 461 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: to real football with press coverage, you know, cornerbacks getting 462 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: their hands on you, the game changes a little bit 463 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes guys disappear. That's the thing that I'm most 464 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: concerned about with him. Is he going to shrink when 465 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: the game becomes more physical? I don't think so. He's 466 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: sixty three two hundred pounds, runs a four three five, 467 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: so he's got the physical skill set. Now can he 468 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: adapt when the game becomes more physical and still make 469 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: the same kinds of plays that he made in the 470 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: spring training camp? Sleepers were talking about looking at the 471 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: guys who might be that guy. There's another Alabama undrafted 472 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: rookie on the other side of the ball, Levi Wallace, 473 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: Who've got a lot of attention. You wrote about him too, 474 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: more playing time, right, more experience for him at Alabama 475 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: and one year starter. Yeah, you know, And I think 476 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: he's got some physical attributes, in particular length that might 477 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: endear him to the coaching Length is kind of the 478 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: soup du jour for cornerbacks these days in the league 479 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: in general, no matter which game you're playing. I think 480 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: in his own scheme, though, if you're a long limb 481 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: corner and you're a decent runner, you've got a good 482 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: chance to have a nice, long career in this league. 483 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: And Levi Wallace is long limp, long legs, long arms. 484 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: The only place where he doesn't really measure up, and 485 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: I think this was part of the reason he had 486 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: trouble until his senior you're getting on the field at 487 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: Alabama is because if he's beat on a play, he 488 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have that elite hatch up speed to get back 489 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: close to his coverage assignment and make a play on 490 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: the ball. If he's beat, the play's generally over somebody's 491 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: catching it autumn. So with that in mind, You're really 492 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: depending on him to be ultra consistent not have any busts. 493 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: He's got to be a smart player out there. He 494 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: cannot have mental errors because if he does, I think 495 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: he's taking away from his game. Now to this point 496 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: in the spring, he's done fairly well. He's had some 497 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: pass breakups here or there. I think this scheme is 498 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: a perfect fit for him, which is why I think 499 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: he's a legitimate sleeper because based on his skill set 500 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: and the scheme he's playing in, those two are tend 501 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: to marry pretty well together because he's not in man 502 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: coverage a whole lot where he can get beat and 503 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: not catch up to make a play. So it'll be 504 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: interesting to see how it pans out for him. Where 505 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: he kind of fits on the depth chart. He was 506 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: running second team in the spring. Now that was due 507 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: in part to the fact that Vante Davis wasn't taking 508 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: a full compliment of reps. They were kind of pacing 509 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: him along with Trent Murvy, two guys coming off offseason surgeries. 510 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: But I think Levi Wallace has a legitimate chance to 511 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: stick on the roster, not just be a practice squad player. 512 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: As a rookie. There's others on your list, Chris, that 513 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about and we want to hear 514 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: from you as well. We'll get to the tweet sheet 515 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: in a moment. Read some of the thoughts you have 516 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: on unheralded guys, under the radar, guys, training camp sleepers, 517 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: who do you think they'll be? Give us a call 518 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: or let us know on Twitter. At One Bill's Live, 519 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: Chris Brown is here, got Jason lock on four from 520 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: CBS Sports dot Com coming up at one, Sad Brown 521 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: from w r OCTV and Rochester coming up at two, 522 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: and more of your input as well, So come on back. 523 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: It is One Bill's Live presented by Collid to Health. 524 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: Where at One Bill's Drive, this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. 525 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Trenning Camp starts this week, coming up on Thursday. We're 526 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna be live Thursday and Friday this week at training 527 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Camp step Taster Night. Chris Brown is in for Steve 528 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: right now. Welcome to the show. We're here until three 529 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: talking about training camp and who the sleepers might be 530 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: at training camp. A little bit of news on Lashawn 531 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: McCoy today courtesy of Ian Rappaport of NFL dot Com. 532 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: He says McCoy will report the camp with the rest 533 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: of the veterans Wednesday. Expected on the practice field Thursday 534 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: unless his status changes with the league or the Bills. 535 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, of course, McCoy was mentioned implicated in 536 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: social media in a ugly incident down in Georgia. There 537 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: have been no criminal action since then, and so the 538 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: league is not going to do anything, probably not going 539 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: to do anything for a while until their investigation is complete. 540 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: In the meantime, let's hear from you on Twitter. You 541 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: can reach us at one Bills Live. We're wanting over 542 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: from you. Who is the training camp sleeper? Chris Brown 543 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: has a list of seven or eight up on the 544 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: website Buffalo Bills dot com. We've gone through a few 545 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: of them. If you've got Marcus Murphy in there. Chris 546 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: was that anticipating that maybe McCoy's status in camp could 547 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: be a little bit limited. No, I really didn't have 548 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: anything with respect to that. I think what we've got 549 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: here is a guy that got in, you know, towards 550 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: the end of the season last year, and I thought 551 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: he did a nice job, you know, spot duty type 552 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: work with some people nicked up, but still in all 553 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a shiftiness to his game that's a 554 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: little bit different than everybody else on the roster, with 555 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the exception of McCoy. So you know, yes, you have 556 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: a veteran in Chris Ivory. Yes you've got a player 557 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: in Trevarus Cadet who offers you a multifaceted skill set. 558 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, but you have to figure they're going to 559 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: carry four backs. You know, this is a guy that 560 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: could be flirting with that fourth back role. Knowing DeMarco's 561 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: probably a lock as a fullback. So you know, depending 562 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: on the kind of camp he has, the kind of 563 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: preseason he has, you know, maybe he ekes out a 564 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: roster spot because he does he is used on special 565 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: teams by coach Crossman, So you know, I thought he 566 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: was a worthwhile guy to list in the sleeper spot there. 567 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Trevus Cadet. Does he qualify as a sleeper? Does he have? 568 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of a known commodity in the NFL. 569 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: Number one, and you know, I think he's got enough 570 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: of an NFL resume where you know, if you said 571 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: the name, all right, maybe not eight out of ten 572 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: people would know who he is, but I would say four. 573 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard of him before, especially people in 574 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: the fantasy football universe, even though we'd probably be like 575 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: a fifth back for a fantasy player. And I think 576 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: he's on this roster. I like him a lot. I 577 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: think he's the closest thing to Lashawn McCoy on the 578 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: roster in terms of skill set. He's not Leshan, but 579 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: he's pretty close in terms of being able to run 580 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: alone players and to catch the football out of the 581 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: back family. I guess that's what got me thinking about 582 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: Marcus Murphy. And you listen him as a training camp sleeper. 583 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: I guess I looked at the running back you know. 584 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: Again my opinion only the depth chart going into training 585 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: camp would be McCoy Ivory, and then I would put Cadet, 586 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: and I guess Murphy would be a consideration there. I 587 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, Taylon Jones maybe if he can get some 588 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: return work in. I don't know, maybe they only keep 589 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: the three of them. Are it's possible. And again it's 590 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see with the new rules 591 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: on special teams, Murph, how that could impact numbers at 592 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: certain positions on your roster, knowing there are going to 593 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: be more quote unquote small guys on special teams because 594 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: of the new rules and how people have to line 595 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: up and set up, You're only gonna have three guys 596 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: deep now, none of whom are going to be of 597 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: the defensive line tight end, you know, big linebacker types. 598 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: You need more small people for your special teams roles. 599 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: So might that mean you know, you keep an extra 600 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: running back, or you keep an extra receiver, or you 601 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: know you keep an extra defensive back because you need 602 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: a fast, quick guy back there to cover ground and 603 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: do that knowing the wedges are gone in this league 604 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: as far as kick returns are concerned. Right now, here's 605 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: the name, literally a big name on the training camp 606 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: sleeper list and a guy that I will be keeping 607 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: an eye on because because of his size, because of 608 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: his length. You know, we had him in I think 609 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: we had him in here in the studio, maybe I 610 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: saw him at practice. You just can't get away from 611 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: Diggi Zuwa and what he might be able to bring 612 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: to the party in terms of a lengthy outside guy, 613 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, an edge guy who can defend the edge 614 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, and guy's got a little bit of 615 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: NFL experience. I think Diggi Zoa is a guy to 616 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: watch during the training camp. Yeah, he's a physical specimen. 617 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. And oftentimes 618 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: these are the guys that you see that will get 619 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: multiple opportunities to make a roster in the NFL. You know, 620 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: he got a crack with the Giants, saw some game action, 621 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: and then kind of washed out there for whatever reason. 622 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: He's got an uphill battle. There's a lot of depth 623 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: at that position, and they've invested in that position, most 624 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: notably in the form of Trent Murphy and free agency, 625 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: who signed a pretty sizable contract. I think it was 626 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: second only to Starlotulala for the Bills this offseason. So 627 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: you look at that and you say, okay, it's it's 628 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: not an easy road for Digizu, but I think there 629 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: is an opportunity there that if he can take advantage 630 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: of it, similar to the way Eddie Yarborough did last year, 631 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: he couldn't find himself on this roster, so people will saying, well, 632 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: who's this guy. But he's got time in the league, 633 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: had some extraordinary athletic production in college, you know, at UCLA, 634 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: So you know, this is a guy with physical traits 635 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: that fit the NFL. Now can he take those physical 636 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: traits and be productive on the field as a defensive end. 637 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: A guy in the defensive side who's primarily a special teamer. 638 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: And when you were talking about smaller guys, you know, 639 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: covering kicks this year on special teams, I thought of 640 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: Julian Stanford, who's got substantial special teams experience in his background. 641 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: He does have a little bit of an NFL background 642 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: with six years, most of that with the Jets over 643 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: the last few years, but it seems to me would 644 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: almost have to be just a special teamer. He's just 645 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: not big enough. You can't see him holding up on 646 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: defense much hits though I'll say that he hits. I 647 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: mean I remember him. He had to start uh an 648 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: inside linebacker for the Jets last year against the Bills, 649 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: and uh he can run and hint. I think more 650 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: of his speed is straight line in nature, which is 651 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: why he is such a good player on special teams, 652 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: because you're running forty yards down the field. Um laterally, 653 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: I think is where he might find his challenge. But 654 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: right now, that's a guy that's battling for the backup 655 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: middle linebacker spot behind Tremaine Edmonds. So this is a 656 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: guy that you know, if if injury strikes and Tremaine 657 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: Edmonds has to miss some time. This is a guy 658 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: people might be hearing his name an awful lot um, 659 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, a young veteran player in this league with 660 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: time on the job, you know, in both linebacker and 661 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: on special teams. And I think he just wanted to 662 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: change a scenery for a new kind of opportunity, you know, 663 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: hoping he could crack a lineup here there or somewhere 664 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: and at the very least be the first guy off 665 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: the bench on defense. Here's another linebacker special teamer. Last 666 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: year's one of last year's seventh rounders, Tanner Valho who 667 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: you list as a sleeper? Tell me about him? You know, 668 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: I would. I would. It's almost like if you keep Stanford, 669 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: do you keep Vallejo? I don't know, you know what 670 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean. They're both special teams line right and they're 671 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: both lining up at middle linebacker right now. That's not 672 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: to say either of them couldn't play another one of 673 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: the linebacker positions, and heck, it might behoove them to 674 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: try to line up it's one of those other ones, 675 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: just to prove I can do a little bit more 676 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: and than just sit here at the mic and call 677 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: the defense and make plays from this spot. But that's 678 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: that's the biggest competition for backup roles perhaps is the 679 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: one between Stanford and Vallejo, but not only because of 680 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: who they're behind, but because of the importance of the position. 681 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: And I know coach McDermott and his defensive staff think 682 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: a lot of Vallejo and what he did as a 683 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: late round pick here last year in terms of learning 684 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: the defense, committing to it, and then getting in a 685 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: position towards the end of last year where he really 686 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: felt comfortable running the show and calling it. You know. 687 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: So now here we are here two and there is 688 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: there's a guy coming in to compete with him. And 689 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: it's not just some street free agent. It's a guy 690 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: that has been in the league for six years pretty 691 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: steadily and has time on the job at linebacker, more 692 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: in fact than Vallejo does. So it's going to be 693 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: one of the more interesting under the radar competitions. And 694 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: you're right, Mr, one of those guys could be on 695 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: the roster and the other may not be. Chris Brown 696 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: joined just talking about training camp sleepers. He's got a 697 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: list of them, eight of them up on our website 698 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot com. And the last guy I want 699 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: to ask you about on your list, what might be 700 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: the guy that one of the guys anyway, and you 701 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I do this, you probably do you start rooting for 702 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: guys to make the team. Yeah, I'm going to be 703 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: rooting hard for Rod Street or who had a sensational 704 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: training camp last year. I was gonna make the team 705 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: last year and then came up with the dislocated toe injury, 706 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: didn't make the team. They signed him again. I think 707 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: in January, right, reserve future, free a future in January. Boy, 708 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: if he is anywhere near what he was last year 709 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: in training camp, he will be heard from, I believe 710 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: in some way. At the receiver spot he had, you 711 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: could make the argument he had one of the best 712 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: training camps out of anybody, any position group last summer. 713 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean he was after two weeks in camp. I 714 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: mean he was already a lock to make the roster. 715 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: It was just a question of is this guy gonna 716 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: be the number three? Yeah, so he gonna be the 717 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: number four. He might be the number three? Holy cow, 718 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, and then an Quon Bolden abruptly retires and 719 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: you're like, this guy could be the three. Yeah, this 720 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: might be the he's making. I mean he was. He 721 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: wasn't just making plays every day at camp last year. 722 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: He was making some eye popping plays. I still remember 723 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: he ran a post route on the auxiliary field, which 724 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: is behind the fieldhouse there at Fisher and I can't 725 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: remember the quarterback who threw it, but a forty yard 726 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: bomb goes up and it's a little bit too far 727 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: out in front of him. It gets past his outstretched 728 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: arms and he realizes he's not going to get it 729 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: with his hands above his shoulders, so he actually puts 730 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: his hands down, takes two more strides, pumps his arms, 731 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: and pulls it off his shoetops and keeps running. I mean, 732 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: it was those kinds of plays that he was turning 733 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: in almost daily, and against what we found was a 734 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: very good secondary, so he was really wowing a lot 735 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: of people. After two years of dealing with foot injuries, 736 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: he had fractures in both of his feet over the 737 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: course of two seasons, which really is why he washed 738 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: out in Oakland because he couldn't stay on the field, 739 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: and then to see it happen again. He really felt 740 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: for the guy because it was arguably the best camp 741 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: of his career, and you just hope that he can 742 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: duplicate that this summer and stay on the field this time. 743 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: I'll be rooting for him. Training camp sleepers were talking 744 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: about that today, we'll talk with you about that. Chris 745 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: wrote about it last week in Buffalo Bills dot com. 746 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: The thought strikes me, Chris, do we spend and look, 747 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: we know what camp was all about. Do we spend 748 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: too much time looking for those stories, those sleepers stories? 749 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: And maybe should we take a step back and say, Okay, 750 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: those are sleepers. All of these guys we mentioned, it'd 751 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: be you'd be hard pressed to say they are going 752 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: to be difference makers in the bills one loss record. 753 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: If you take a step back, maybe we should maake 754 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: more attention to the actual starters. The guys are going 755 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: to be there, and maybe where the Bills are at 756 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: that'll take play right. Yeah, But I mean when you 757 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: and I are out there every day, we got to 758 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: look for some other things. We don't just want to 759 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: prattle on with the same two or three storylines. You 760 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: kind of look for different things to keep your interest up. 761 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to talk day after day 762 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: about the quarterback thing. I know, it's the polar it's 763 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: going to be the polarizing subject of training camp, There's 764 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: no question about that. But how about a one A 765 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: or a one B or a two A or a 766 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: two B. I'll take you know, when you're out there 767 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: for two or three weeks, every practice, every day, you're 768 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: looking for those other little nuggets to kind of pass 769 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,959 Speaker 1: along to the fans. So that's why some of those 770 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: lesser matchups or like I was telling you, Philip Gaines 771 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: and tarn Johnson or who is Julian Stanford, Tanner Vallejo, 772 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: those are little things that all spend ten or fifteen 773 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: minutes watching out of practice because I already feel I've 774 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: got to handle on what's going on in quarterback. That's 775 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: not saying i'll ignore it. I'll keep paying attention to that, 776 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: but I'll kind of keep a casual eye over here 777 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: and look at some of these other developments that are 778 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: going on in some other positions. Okay, all right, you're excused. No, 779 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean I do the same thing. No, honey, I 780 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: mean three weeks you're out there, yes, every day. I 781 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: mean we gotta make it interesting. You gotta switch it 782 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: up a little bit and This is how rosters are 783 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: built sometimes, you know, with guys who are under the radar, 784 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: the sleepers we just talked about, guys who may someday 785 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: make a difference, and we're looking forward to all of that, 786 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: plus the big stories at training camp. Who's leading at 787 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback battle, who's going to be the bride receivers, 788 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: what's McCoy status thought all that'll be covered by Chris 789 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: at Buffalo Bills dot com and then on our show 790 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: as well. All right, we're finally going to get to 791 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: your tweet some of your thoughts on training camp sleepers 792 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: when we come back, So come on back for that. 793 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: Chris brown is with us here today. One Goes Live 794 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: from One Goes Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio, 795 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: Brian Chris Brownie. Before the vacationing see Gasteroste will be 796 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: back tomorrow, will be a training camp on Thursday. I 797 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: don't over here. We're talking Chris and I today a 798 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: lot about the training camp sleepers. Who are the guys 799 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: who will jump up and maybe make a big push 800 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: for a roster spot. On Twitter, some good responses to 801 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: this from Darryl f twenty nine. Because I say, Robert 802 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Foster not just because of the size, speed factor. He's 803 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: also very familiar with Brian Dayball. Due to that, I 804 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: think he'll be put in a favorable spot. Plus, I'm 805 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: sure Dayball had some influence on him being picked and 806 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: might have his back any true to that, Chris Well, 807 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: I think if there's one thing that helps, it's the terminology. 808 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: You know, here's a guy that, as I said at 809 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: the top of the show, the one knock we've seen 810 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: on him is lacking instincts on the field. Well, how 811 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: do you help that. You come walking in the door 812 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: already knowing a vast amount of the terminology. And I 813 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: think the other advantage here, at least from a Bill's perspective, 814 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: is Brian Dabele has an intimate, working knowledge of what 815 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: this guy is capable of, so he I think the transition. 816 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, this is a time of year in training 817 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: camp where a lot of assistant coaches, coordinators particularly get 818 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: a handle on what these players do well and don't 819 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: do well. They're learning that in training camp. Brian Dabel 820 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: already has a book of that knowledge on Robert Foster, 821 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: so putting him in positions to succeed is something Dabel 822 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: already has at the ready, so I think that helps Foster. 823 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: And then, as I said, the fact that he knows 824 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Dable's terminology already coming in is a 825 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: huge benefit to him. He's, you know, his head's not 826 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: swimming for the most part. And I don't know how 827 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: much carry overcame from the Alabama scheme, but I would 828 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: like to think that a lot of things are called 829 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: the same types of stuff, So I think there's some 830 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,439 Speaker 1: carryover for Foster that's going to benefit him. I get 831 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes on a radio show in Hamilton, 832 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: Ontario this morning, and they were asking about the Buffalo offense, 833 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: and I honestly and sincerely said, that's one of the 834 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: big questions I believe in this training camp. Is Brian 835 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: day Ball's offense qualify as a training camp sleeper. I 836 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: don't know about that, but it certainly qualifies to me, 837 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: Chris as one of the big questions that we begin 838 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: to get answers from now. Look, they're not gonna, you know, 839 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: unveil everything at training camp, and they certainly will keep 840 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: play it close to the best when they get the 841 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: preseason games. But I do look forward to this camp 842 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: to getting to look at exactly what day Ball has 843 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: in mind, what it looks like, you know, the personnel 844 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: packages they put out there. Who gets the reps. Maybe 845 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: it's guys like Robert Foster with some measure of familiarity. 846 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the good stories of this 847 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: camp coming up here, is what the offense looks like 848 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: and what day Ball has in mind, because really aren't 849 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: a whole lot of clues. I think it's hard to 850 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: look at, you know, the Alabama offense and say that's 851 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: what it will look like. Hard to look at what 852 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: he did in Cleveland, right when he was coordinator and 853 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: say that look like yeah. So I think that's one 854 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: of the good big questions of this training camp. One 855 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: thing that we covered actually in our camp countdown on 856 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: Buffalo and Steve and I were actually talking about it 857 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: on the show here last week. There are clues and 858 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: I kind of provided a general overview of three of 859 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: the things that you should expect from Brian Dable's offense. 860 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: One is it's going to be matchup focused. First, A 861 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: lot of coaches and offensive coordinators in this league do 862 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 1: focus on mismatches. Obviously, that's how you get the ball 863 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: into playmaker's hands. But most coaches, or a good number 864 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: of them anyway, coach the progressions of the play to 865 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And while Dabele does do that, he prioritizes 866 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: the matchup first, and not all coaches do that. So 867 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: for example, and I mentioned this last week too, if 868 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,959 Speaker 1: you have a progression rate that goes one, two, three, 869 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: right to left, but pre snap lined up on the 870 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: left side as your third rad and he's in a 871 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: gross mismatch with a linebacker or something, you're going right 872 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: to that guy and you're tossing the progression out the window. 873 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: That's how Dable operates in terms of matchups. And then 874 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: he's also about being multidimensional. You know, he doesn't want 875 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: to be predictable. No coordinator wants to be in this 876 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: league on the offensive side of the ball or the 877 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: defensive for that matter. But the way he achieves that 878 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: is not only through volume of his offense, but he 879 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: achieves it also through variation by where people line up. 880 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: He teaches plays based on concepts, not on individual player assignments, 881 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: So receivers know what the X, Y and Z is 882 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: doing and why on every given play, So now you 883 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: can deploy that player in any one of those three roles, 884 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, So I think what you have is greater 885 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: variation through the ability of your players to line up 886 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: in different spots. And then the third thing is tempo variation. 887 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: And I reference that specifically in the story that I 888 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: wrote last week. How many times have you seen the 889 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: Patriots offense fail on third down? Hurry up to the line, 890 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: Brady sneaks it and they got a new set of downs. 891 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: I mean, time and time again. That is some of 892 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: what Brian Dable's going to be bringing to the Buffalo offense. 893 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: There are gonna be ties where they step on the 894 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: gas and keep a defense that they want on the 895 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: field on the field and not let them substitute by 896 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: going fast. And then there might be ties where they 897 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: have a lead in the game and they back off 898 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: the gas a little bit. There will be tempo variation. Now, 899 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin told me this offense is going to go fast. 900 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to go fast full time. 901 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: I think it'll go fast at times, because when you 902 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 1: think about the dynamics of brand new offense for this roster, 903 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: still don't know who your quarterback is. You can't go 904 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: into Week one and go one hundred and fifty miles 905 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: an hour and expect it to sing. So I think 906 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: there will be tempo variations. I don't think there's going 907 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: to be a complete commitment to going all fast all 908 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: the time. Stop to look for when they hit the 909 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: field and go through the team ports into practice. At 910 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: training camp coming up later this week, we're talking about 911 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: who will be this year's training camp sleeper, wandering Jack 912 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: Tweets and Brandon Riley. With jobs available at wide receiver, 913 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: he'll build off his strong twenty seventeen camp and his 914 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: experience on the practice squad to not only earn a 915 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: roster spot, but push for the other starting outside position. 916 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: He's got size, speeding hands to be a factor. Might 917 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: be this year's Adam Feeling. Wow. Yeah, that's interesting. That's 918 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: a pretty high praise. I'm not buying all of that, 919 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, I will say this. He was inches away 920 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: from being on my list, but he was such a 921 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: fan favorite last year in training camp that I think 922 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: he's a well known name now on the Bill's roster. 923 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: As crazy as that might sound, I mean, you say, 924 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: how could it be a well known name? He got 925 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: called up at the end of the season and spent 926 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: most of the year on the practice squad, but how 927 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: badly he did Bills fans want that kid to make 928 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. Last year. I remember when 929 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: that roster came out last summer, people Howard was riley 930 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,439 Speaker 1: on on the roster. You know, people were up in arms. Yeah, 931 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,399 Speaker 1: and now you know some of that is back again 932 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: with some fans thinking will be the number two. We'll see. 933 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: I'll say this. The hands, I think yep. And the size, 934 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. The speed is a factor, and I 935 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: don't know. He didn't help himself last year with special 936 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: teams work right. Is he ready to do that this year? 937 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: We'll find out. We'll find out we get to camp. 938 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: I think he's tightened up his route running since last year. 939 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: I think he's a sharper, more consistent route runner now. 940 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: And the other thing that I think he's done, because 941 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: I asked him and he confirmed it for me, he's 942 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: added about six to eight pounds of lean muscle mass 943 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: to his frame, so he's a little bit thicker, a 944 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: little bit stronger. I think he got a taste for 945 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: just how physical this lead can be going against NFL cornerbacks, 946 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: and he added six to eight pounds a lean muscle 947 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: to his upper body, and I think that's going to 948 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: help him, you know, ward Off, you know, a corner, 949 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: make a play on a ball, win more jump balls, 950 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: you know against the dB. So he's one of the 951 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: guys that's worth watching, especially knowing how wide open the 952 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: receiver position depth chart is right now going into camp 953 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: Training Camp Sleepers will talk more about it that in 954 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: the second hour of the show. We're going to talk 955 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,879 Speaker 1: with Jason Lockotton cbssports dot Com as well coming up next, 956 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: So come on back for that. Chris Brown here for 957 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: Steat Tasker. Today One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive 958 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: and this in Buffalo Bill's radio focus at training camp 959 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: Officey is going to be on the quarterback battle with 960 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,320 Speaker 1: first round draft pick Josh Allen contending for a starting 961 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: spot still unsigned as of today, and the status of 962 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: running back Lashawan McCoy after an incident in Milton, Georgia 963 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He inter rapp report at 964 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com reports at McCoy will report the camp 965 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: with the rest of the players on Wednesday, expected to 966 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: be in the field on Thursday unless his status changes 967 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: with the NFL or with the Buffalo bills that a 968 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 1: social media allegation made against McCoy two weeks ago in Milton, Georgia, 969 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: and nothing since. Josh Gordon will not be with the 970 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns when they opened training camp Thursday. He announced 971 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,439 Speaker 1: today on Twitter. He's missed most of the last three 972 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 1: seasons because of suspensions related to violations of the substance 973 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: Abuse Policy. Gordon said today he's doing great physically and mentally, 974 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: but the absence is part of his treatment plan. Saquon 975 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: Barkley became one of the NFL's top paid running backs 976 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: before he took an NFL snap number two overall pick 977 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: out of Penn State, signed yesterday with the Giants four years, 978 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: thirty one point two million dollars. Arizona Cardinals running back 979 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: David Johnson is ending his contract called out that ran 980 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: through the team's mandatory minicamp. Johnson expected to be there 981 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: at training camp this week. Minnesota Vikings offensive blink coach 982 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: Tony Parrano died unexpectedly yesterday at the age of fifty six. 983 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: He had complained about chess pains and went to the 984 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: hospital Thursday. The underwent test was released on Friday. His 985 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: wife found him unconscious yesterday morning as they prepared to 986 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: leave for church and could not revive him. The Hamilton 987 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: Tiger Cats of the Canadian Football League of traded quarterback 988 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,760 Speaker 1: Johnny Menzel to the Montreal Alouettes Menzell offensive tackle Tony Washington, 989 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,879 Speaker 1: an alignment sent to Montreal in exchange for a couple 990 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,399 Speaker 1: of players and a couple of tramp picks. Menzel never 991 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: saw the field for Hamilton, which has been led by 992 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,439 Speaker 1: quarterback Jeremiah Mazzoli. That's the update from one Bill Thron, 993 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: John Murphy and Chris Brown. Chris is in for Steve 994 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: Tasker today. Steve is back with us tomorrow, joining us 995 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: on the Subway fresh Day Hotline. A man who covers 996 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: the NFL in his role as CBS four NFL Insider. 997 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: He is a contributor to NFL Today and cbsports dot 998 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: Com and the host of the Be More Opinionated podcast. 999 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: Happy to have Jason lacon for on the line with us. Jason, 1000 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: John Murphy and Chris Brown here in Buffalo. Thank you 1001 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: very much for joining us. No worries, man, How are 1002 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: you guys doing. We're doing okay. We're digesting the latest. 1003 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: I guess it's news, although not surprising news about Leshaun McCoy. 1004 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that, Jason, just not 1005 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: necessarily where this might go, but what what the spot 1006 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: that the League and the Bills are in not getting 1007 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: a whole lot of details about what happened with McCoy, 1008 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: And what do they do about that? Is they want 1009 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: to be proactive about incidents like this? Where do you 1010 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: see what do you see is the situation here? Well, 1011 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean in general, the league, well, we'll let the 1012 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: legal process play out for a considerable period of time 1013 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: and basically wait to see, you know, if if charges, 1014 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, if someone faces a court day, if they're 1015 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 1: indicted by a grand jury in cases where green juries 1016 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: are involved, or if they are going to be prosecuted 1017 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: by the state, and then at that point we tend 1018 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: to see the league step in. Now, obviously there's other 1019 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,800 Speaker 1: cases like Ray Rice where it had been basically settled 1020 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: as a legal matter, but then new evidence came to 1021 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: life and we saw the league react, you know, not proactively, 1022 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,280 Speaker 1: but after the fact to then establish a new standard 1023 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: that there often does not appear to be much rhyme 1024 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: or reason and how these things are adjudicated by the league, 1025 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: and what the end result ultimately is, obviously, these are 1026 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: incredibly troubling allegations against Lashawn McCoy right now, and you know, 1027 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: could he end up on a commissioner's example list or 1028 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: something like that by the start of the season. Will 1029 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: the NFL step in even if there hasn't been a 1030 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: full legal review and say, hey, because of the severity 1031 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: of this, we're going to act as we have in 1032 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: the past with Greg Hardy, with Adrian Peterson and a 1033 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: few others, and take him off the field until we 1034 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: know more. No, I guess those are possibilities. But I'm 1035 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: the wrong person to ask as to how how the 1036 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: league reaches these decisions, because I am often confused myself. Yeah, 1037 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: I guess we're all kind of waiting to see what happens. 1038 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: Nobody knows how that might go out. Jason, we had 1039 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,280 Speaker 1: down the show. You were here a couple I guess 1040 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: more than a month or two ago, and you had 1041 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with Brandon Dean, the Bills 1042 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: general manager. Talked a lot with him about the Bills 1043 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: first round in the draft, Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmonds. 1044 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: It was it's an interesting story. And I said to Chris, 1045 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about at last hour, because the bills 1046 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: above maybe anything else, the bills had to be flexible. 1047 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: They had to be ready to move quickly. They were 1048 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: and got themselves too potentially premium first round picks back 1049 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: in April. Yeah, I mean, I thought one of the 1050 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: more interesting aspects of our talk. And you can read 1051 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: the piece of CBS Sports dot Com and also watch, 1052 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: you know, an edited version of I sit down with him. 1053 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: We talked for a good period of time, and I 1054 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: tried to get in as much detail as I could. 1055 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to me that they had, 1056 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: as you said, they had to be ready for anything. 1057 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: They had to have so many potential scenarios laid out 1058 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: and if this happens, how do we react? If that happens, 1059 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: how do we react? And they went through, you know, 1060 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of mock draft I think Brandon Bean said 1061 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: he did five or six himself. They had other people 1062 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: in the franchise doing them. They were obviously gathering as 1063 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: much information as they could from agents for these particular 1064 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: players and with all the other teams they were talking 1065 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: trade with, and they never once even considered for a 1066 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: moment that hey, we might be able to trade down 1067 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: and keep enough picks to then still be able to 1068 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 1: trade up and get somebody like you know, Tremaine Edmonds 1069 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: and who I and they didn't think was probably getting 1070 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,919 Speaker 1: out of the top ten picks no matter what. So 1071 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: for him to still be there and them to be 1072 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: able to execute two trades, one for the quarterback but 1073 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: not giving up, you know, the full kitty, so that 1074 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: they still had enough and reserved to then go and 1075 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: get another player with them and everybody always you always 1076 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: here a lot didn't think that got would be there, 1077 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But in this case, I mean, the 1078 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: buzz about Tremi and Edmands across the board was between 1079 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: the teams that needed linebackers, you know, Oakland, San Francisco, 1080 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,399 Speaker 1: some others. There was a pretty good shot he didn't 1081 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,479 Speaker 1: get out of the top ten. So they never once 1082 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: even considered how it ultimately turned out. But they had 1083 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: a long term plan in place for over a year 1084 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: and how they were going to accumulate enough assets to 1085 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: be able to do something just like that if it 1086 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: came to it on twenty eighteen draft day, and it 1087 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: obviously did. And despite the fact that there was all 1088 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: that planning, you know, presumably to get up high enough 1089 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: to take a quarterback were it? Did it surprise you 1090 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: at all, Jason, that there it is at the combine 1091 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: and they're working on, you know, trading up again to 1092 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: get higher in the first round and get ultimately what 1093 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,360 Speaker 1: became picked twelve from Cincinnati and the Quarty Glenn trade. 1094 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: That while they knew quarterback was ultimately a target for them, 1095 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: they still really hadn't met any of these guys or 1096 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: knew which one they liked the most. Did did that 1097 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,919 Speaker 1: catch you by surprise at all? In hearing Brandon say 1098 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: that as late as the end of February, No, because 1099 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: you had started to hear by the end of the 1100 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 1: college football season, it was pretty clear that there was 1101 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: a chance they might even go one, two, three, And 1102 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: there were five who were looking like potential first round picks. 1103 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: And as long as nobody you know, put their foot 1104 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: in their mouth or or you know, did something that 1105 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: drastically caused their stock to plummet or you know, managed 1106 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 1: to get hurt short of that, that's probably how it 1107 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: was going to shape out. So as I tried to 1108 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: kind of go like in a linear aspect with Brandon 1109 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: and go through all the different sort of milestones. He 1110 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: was pretty pretty you know, candid that and it was 1111 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,239 Speaker 1: my assumption anyway that hey, when you get to the 1112 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: combine and all these you know, these kids are doing 1113 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: what they're doing and the measuring like they are, and 1114 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, it's the part you knew that it's going 1115 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: to take more than one trade to get where you 1116 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: want to go. That in all likelihood, you know you're 1117 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: going to move Corty Glenn, who you know you were 1118 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: very open to moving at the deadline, but it's going 1119 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: to make more sense now. And he brought up a 1120 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 1: great point the lack of offensive lineman in his draft 1121 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: and that was part of their thinking and not forcing 1122 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: a Glenn trade at the deadline at the trade deadline, 1123 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, we looked at that as an 1124 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 1: all likelihood and intermediary step that as long as we 1125 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: were going to really like, you know, whether it's two 1126 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: of these kids, three of these kids, for these kids 1127 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,799 Speaker 1: whatever higher up in the draft, and then that's where 1128 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: we're going to have to be willing to go. And 1129 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: obviously ultimately they were were Jason lock On for a 1130 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: CBS Sports NFL Insider talking about a post that he 1131 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,759 Speaker 1: wrote just a week or so ago about how the 1132 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: Bills landed Josh Allen remained Edmonds in twenty eighteen in 1133 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 1: the first round of the draft. You know, I mentioned 1134 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: you a minute ago, Jason, about how flexible the Bills 1135 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: had to be day also, and you kind of chronicle 1136 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: this pretty much in depth. They also had to have 1137 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 1: a plan, and it's a plan that was almost twelve 1138 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: months old by the time they got to draft Knight, Right, 1139 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 1: they knew what they had in mind. They started making moves, 1140 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,879 Speaker 1: you know, as soon as last training camp. Really yeah, 1141 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they began preparing for the contingency. I would 1142 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: call it a likelihood that Tyrod Taylor was someone they 1143 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: were going to rent rather than secure his services for 1144 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: the long haul. And I mean Brandon being told me, 1145 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, some of his first conversations with the coach 1146 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: there were about the quarterback position and with that was 1147 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: going to mean long term and all the various machinations 1148 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: and moves that would likely have to occur for them 1149 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: to ensure that they were in place to tap into 1150 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: what looked like it might be even a year out, 1151 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: a pretty robust first round quarterback market in that twenty 1152 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: eighteen draft. So you know, that that dialogue with Ian 1153 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,359 Speaker 1: Sean was was ongoing from the Guinea up and they 1154 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: had to be in lock step about being willing to 1155 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: take some short term pain for long term gain. And 1156 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: they knew not all these moves would look incredibly popular 1157 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: along the way, but they had a vision and it 1158 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: was a bold vision, and I give them credit for 1159 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,280 Speaker 1: sticking to it. Now, did they altimately get the right quarterback? 1160 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: And how will this all plant? Nobody knows. There's no 1161 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: crystal ball, and this is incredibly difficult to suss out. 1162 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: But they continued to impress me throughout the season with 1163 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: how they stuck to it. And yeah, this might not 1164 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: win us more games right now, but this is why 1165 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: it fits with everything else we're doing. There was a 1166 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,959 Speaker 1: real cohesion. It wasn't like some of these teams where 1167 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: they take two steps forward and then they get scared 1168 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: of their own shadow and take one step back and 1169 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: don't follow all the way through. These guys were willing, 1170 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 1: to a certain degree tear it down and more and 1171 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: more to the point, just eat a bunch of money 1172 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: now to free up the ability to have the wherewithal 1173 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: to get better later through the draft now. But then 1174 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: as they get closer ultimately through free agency, and they 1175 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,920 Speaker 1: managed to shed themselves of some horrible contracts that they 1176 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: inherited that frankly, I didn't think they be able to. 1177 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of addition by subtraction as well, 1178 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 1: Brandon being told you and I know he told the 1179 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: media here in his post mortem from the draft that 1180 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, going into round one, he thought if he 1181 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 1: was going to do a deal with any team in 1182 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: the top ten, it was probably going to be Denver. 1183 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 1: But then Bradley Chubb falls out of the top four 1184 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: and all bets are off. What did you make after 1185 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: talking to Brandon? I mean, we all witnessed it how 1186 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: he was able to pivot after that, blew up and 1187 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: get up to seven with Tampa Bay. But just the 1188 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,800 Speaker 1: way he described the process in going from oh, crap, 1189 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 1: that one's done, let me try to set something else 1190 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: up and doing it just two picks later. Yeah, I mean, 1191 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of time to wallow and the 1192 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 1: Meyer and the aftermath of that, because as soon as 1193 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: the Browns make their pick, he knows, okay, the deal 1194 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,360 Speaker 1: we had with Denver is gone, because there's no way 1195 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 1: that you know they're not going to pounce on Chubb 1196 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: and then now there's a really good there's you know, 1197 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,000 Speaker 1: it's a really good chance, and Chubb's going to be 1198 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,920 Speaker 1: there because the Jets are going quarterback. So at that moment, 1199 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: he begins canvassing all the teams you know around there again, 1200 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: anybody you know from from Oakland at Keen who was 1201 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: obviously open for business and was open for business for 1202 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: weeks and altimately made the Rosen trade and moved down 1203 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,080 Speaker 1: with Arizona. You know, he told me he talked to Keen, 1204 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: he taught he was talking to San Francisco, you know, 1205 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 1: he was talking to Tampa. Yeah, He's talking all over 1206 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: the place to figure out where do I have to 1207 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,280 Speaker 1: go to get this guy, And in the back of 1208 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: his mind he's also thinking Arizona could be doing the 1209 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: exact same thing. So I need to get high enough 1210 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: that I know they don't jump me, whether it's for 1211 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,360 Speaker 1: Alan or Rosen or whomever around the line. With Jason 1212 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,680 Speaker 1: lock On for CBS sports dot Com, he's written about 1213 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,040 Speaker 1: the Bills draft the Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo's opponent opening day 1214 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 1: September Night, David first round quarterback. But as you wrote 1215 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 1: the earlier today, Jason, I'll quote you he said there 1216 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 1: is no quarterback controversy in Baltimore, certainly not now, not yet. 1217 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Tell us about that situation with the Lamar Jackson and 1218 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. Oh, that's worked down through a week and 1219 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 1: a half of camp. Well, I still believe Lamar Jackson 1220 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: very well could be the first rookie quarterback to take 1221 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,160 Speaker 1: the field. He won't be the first to start a game, though. 1222 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,960 Speaker 1: There is a Lamar Jackson package, and this team is 1223 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 1: committed to sprinkling RPOs throughout their playbook, and there's going 1224 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: to be certain downs and distances where they feel like 1225 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson for this play, in this moment gives us 1226 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 1: a better chance to win this play than Joe Flacco would. Now, 1227 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: how much that expands or contracts through the season is 1228 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: going to be based on Flacco's performance, Lamar's development. You 1229 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: know that natural athleticism is his ability to absorb more 1230 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: of the playbook and how the team's faring overall in 1231 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: the standings. But it's Joe Flacco's team week one, and 1232 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080 Speaker 1: I suspect at least through week eight, week nine, and 1233 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 1: then when you get into the back nine and of 1234 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: the season, and if the Ravens don't look like they're 1235 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: super competitive. And if Flacco isn't quicking with all the 1236 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 1: new receivers and plight ends he has, and he manages 1237 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: to get injured like he has the last few years, 1238 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and obviously there could be massive change is coming, and 1239 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: you've got a coaching staff that maybe coaching for their 1240 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: jobs at that point as well. But Flacco looks better 1241 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,640 Speaker 1: to me than he has in years, and last year 1242 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: had the back of injury, he was coming off major 1243 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: knee surgery. Prior to that. He looks as loose, limber, 1244 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: in shape as I've ever seen him. You can tell 1245 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: that he knows that his career sort of is in 1246 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 1: a balance here and that as much as he's playing 1247 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: for the Ravens this year, he's also auditioning for every 1248 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: other team. Go ask Alex Smith about that. A year 1249 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: ago when the Chiefs traft Mahomes and Alex Smith plays 1250 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: like an MVP, and he's still gone before the following 1251 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, set of OTAs the following year. So I mean, shoot, 1252 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,480 Speaker 1: he was traded before the Super Bowl. So you know, 1253 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I think Joe Flacco understands that his football mortality in 1254 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Baltimore may be before him, no matter how well he 1255 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 1: performs short of taking the team back to the playoffs, 1256 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,640 Speaker 1: but Baltimore will be improved that they had such a 1257 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: horrible group of skill position player last year. Not that 1258 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Willie Sneed you know, John Brown, Michael Crabtree, Hayden Hurst 1259 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: are going to strike fear in you know, everybody's hearts. 1260 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: And not that it's going to be an elite group, 1261 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 1: but it's certainly an upgrade over what they were dealing 1262 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,560 Speaker 1: with here a year ago. Hey Jasuit, a guest on 1263 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,000 Speaker 1: the show last week who maintains that playing in the 1264 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: package role like Lamar Jackson Mike this year will actually 1265 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: hurt Lamar Jackson long term, that teams have a tendency 1266 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 1: not to take a package, you know, special package quarterback. Seriously, 1267 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to making him a franchise quarterback, is 1268 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: there anything to that? I don't believe so No, I mean, 1269 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: I think all these situations are different. There's no particular 1270 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: blueprint and how to look this coaching. Marty Morningwag and 1271 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Greg Rumman, who have a lot of experience with this stuff, 1272 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: might be the perfect guy's for him. This whole staff 1273 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,800 Speaker 1: also might get fired in January. No matter what, and 1274 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: they might go and the next guy might be like 1275 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,480 Speaker 1: a Naggie, what Chicago's doing, or you know, it might 1276 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 1: might be loaded with with better offensive minds, or might 1277 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: have a quarterback gurup head coach. So it's so difficult 1278 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 1: to predict a week to week, much less a set that. 1279 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,920 Speaker 1: Oh well, because Jackson was only playing four plays a game, 1280 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, for the first couple of weeks of the season. 1281 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Now that's going to affect how he's thought of or branded. 1282 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean altho, he's playing for the owner, Steve Bischotti. 1283 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,919 Speaker 1: And trust me, Steve Bischotti had everything to do with 1284 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: the drafting of Lamar Jackson. He was very much sold 1285 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,480 Speaker 1: on that idea. You guys saw that the game against 1286 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Cincinnati right that put the Bills in the playoffs. Joe 1287 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: look at some of the highlights and see how many 1288 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 1: how few people were in the stands for the Ravens 1289 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: and would amounted to a must win home playoff game 1290 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,480 Speaker 1: for them. That the interest here is at an all 1291 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,760 Speaker 1: time low. People are sick of watching an offense that 1292 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: averaged five point three yards last year, and in Lamar Jackson, 1293 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 1: they went out and specifically drafted the antithesis of Joe 1294 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Flacco on many levels. At the same time, though, as 1295 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: you're telling us Jason how there's a package of plays 1296 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 1: for Jackson, it's hard for me not to hear Bill 1297 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Polly and ringing in my ears saying, this kid is 1298 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: such an athlete that offensive coaches are not going to 1299 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,520 Speaker 1: be able to help themselves and put him on the 1300 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,280 Speaker 1: field somewhere. Um, but this is strictly a quarterback, right. 1301 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: There's no instance here that you've seen or heard of 1302 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: where Jackson and Flacco are going to be on the 1303 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: field together at the same time. No, it's in the 1304 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 1: story I wrote about there. They're practicing that. I mean, 1305 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,440 Speaker 1: that's that's That doesn't mean every time Lamar Jackson plays 1306 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be him, you know, playing fullback or 1307 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: in the slot or what you know, halfback or whatever. 1308 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,440 Speaker 1: But there will be times when he and Flacco are 1309 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,560 Speaker 1: on the field together and one of them may be 1310 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: at center and one of them may not be. I 1311 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: think there's also going to be times where he's simply 1312 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,440 Speaker 1: in there and Joe Flacco is on the sidelines and 1313 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,400 Speaker 1: they're running an RPO, or they're running a check with me, 1314 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: or they're running a design run that just suits him 1315 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 1: more than it does Flacco. I think it's going to 1316 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 1: be a combination of both. But the reality is they're 1317 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 1: already I mean, this is not going to be the 1318 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: same offense as last year. And trust me, the new 1319 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,960 Speaker 1: stuff design necessarily with Joe Flacco's skill set in mind. 1320 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean a lot again the RPOs and a lot 1321 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 1: of those looks that we saw. You know, you saw 1322 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the Chiefs doing a lot of it last year. We've 1323 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,840 Speaker 1: seen the Eagles do so much of it with Carson Wentz. Everything. 1324 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: You're hearing that the Bills are trying, I'm sorry that 1325 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,160 Speaker 1: that the Browns. I'll get it right eventually, that the 1326 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Bears are trying to install for true bisky, that that 1327 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,439 Speaker 1: same movement as a foot here. What sounds like he's turned. 1328 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 1: It sounds like the Ravens a turn the page already, 1329 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,560 Speaker 1: Like I mean, they're already there. I mean we haven't 1330 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,640 Speaker 1: even gotten to the first preseason game. Well, I mean, 1331 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,960 Speaker 1: go look at Joe Flacco's salary. I mean, they were 1332 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,800 Speaker 1: already there two years ago when the guy got hurt, 1333 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,360 Speaker 1: and they're looking at the way his salary structured him saying, 1334 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: my god, in twenty nineteen, he's going to count twenty 1335 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: six plus million dollars against our cap and we were 1336 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 1: already given him one hundred and twenty million over the 1337 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: last five years without winning a playoff game. You know, 1338 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: it's like this has been this thing, I mean the proofs, 1339 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: but in the pudding, the statistically the bottom five passing 1340 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,280 Speaker 1: offense since they won the Super Bowl, and in the meantime, 1341 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 1: Flack was made over one hundred million dollars and the 1342 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: owners at a point where and people aren't and nobody's 1343 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 1: in the stand to watch it anymore. Like it's that's 1344 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: where they were as a franchise. And twenty nineteen has 1345 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,440 Speaker 1: always been the year that they can cut him without 1346 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,600 Speaker 1: having it negatively affect their cap. It's the first year 1347 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: they could cut him and have him kestling out less 1348 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,680 Speaker 1: against the cap and against their finances with somebody else's 1349 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,600 Speaker 1: team that on their own. So that's always been a 1350 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: cut bait, you know, potential cutbait year, and to their 1351 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: credit at the end, one's credit. You might as well 1352 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: deal with that quarterback situation a year earlier than a 1353 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,440 Speaker 1: year too late. And Jason, can I just get you 1354 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,960 Speaker 1: back to the bills for a second. A post that 1355 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,720 Speaker 1: you wrote on cbsports dot com about a month or 1356 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 1: so ago, ten quarterbacks under the most intense pressure to perform. 1357 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: You had a J McCarron on that list, and you 1358 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: make a great point when you say, if he doesn't 1359 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 1: shed his backup label now, he probably never will. I 1360 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 1: would think that would be extremely motivating for a J. 1361 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: McCarron and maybe right in the front of his mind 1362 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: going to camp later this week. Yeah, I mean, I 1363 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: don't know how it can't be. You know that this 1364 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: may be his one one springboard to get a real 1365 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,400 Speaker 1: bright at the Apple. He was the guy last man stand. 1366 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: We had unprecedented quarterback movement this year. I can never 1367 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: remember quarterback year like this where you had multiple playoff 1368 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks either traded or signing with new teams. We had, 1369 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, unreal movement. You had a future Hall of 1370 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Famer in Drew Brees, who at least at one point 1371 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 1: you know it was going to be a free agent. 1372 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: You had a resetting on the market with Cousins, You 1373 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,200 Speaker 1: had all that activity, five drafted in the first round, 1374 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,920 Speaker 1: and Peter and h and McCarron's sort of the one 1375 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: who had nothing and at the end of Bill stoolm 1376 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,960 Speaker 1: a lifeline, and if he can't get a chance to 1377 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 1: play now, then he may never get, you know, a 1378 01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: legitimate NFL payday. And some of these other eyes on 1379 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 1: that list at least already have set themselves up with, 1380 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, generational wealth or something close to it, whereas 1381 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 1: I think he really is a guy who's in to 1382 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,080 Speaker 1: some degree playing for his career, or at least his 1383 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,760 Speaker 1: career insomuch as ever getting an opportunity like this again, well, 1384 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,759 Speaker 1: I understand you're get a chance to see for yourself 1385 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,759 Speaker 1: if you're coming up to training camp at some point, Jason, 1386 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,040 Speaker 1: is that right up there pits room, I'm there. I'll 1387 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,280 Speaker 1: just first, I think, okay, so whatever that is, I 1388 01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,799 Speaker 1: don't know if that's in like eight days. I'm already 1389 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,200 Speaker 1: from track of what day of the weekday. Yeah, I'll 1390 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: definitely be out there to see check it out and 1391 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: see where Josh is. We'll see you up there, Jason. 1392 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Thanks you for spending a few minutes with us here today. 1393 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,759 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. You got a guys. Thanks Jason Lockcom 1394 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,880 Speaker 1: for a CBS Sports NFL Insider contributor to NFL Today 1395 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,200 Speaker 1: and the CBS Sports dot Com. A lot of good 1396 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,880 Speaker 1: posts on CBS sports dot Com from Jason, and he 1397 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,120 Speaker 1: joined us find the Subway fresh Day Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh. 1398 01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,280 Speaker 1: He writes a lot of stuff. He's right, and it's 1399 01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,840 Speaker 1: been a great offseason. As the offseason wines down Chris 1400 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 1: for quarterback speculation, As Jason said, unprecedented quarterback movement this year, 1401 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,760 Speaker 1: even to the extent where you know, a former fifth 1402 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 1: round pick and a non starter previously like a j McCarron, 1403 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 1: generates intense interests because of what's at stake for him. 1404 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,280 Speaker 1: But it makes it fun. It made it, I think, 1405 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,559 Speaker 1: a pretty fun offseason, going all the way back to 1406 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,240 Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Alex Smith, yeah right, I mean it was 1407 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 1: the first shoot to drop. Yeah. I don't know how 1408 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,519 Speaker 1: many people totally anticipated that. I think a lot of 1409 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 1: people believed that Washington was going to move on from 1410 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and not resign him. But I don't think 1411 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,639 Speaker 1: anybody had an inkling as to what direction they were turning, 1412 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 1: certainly not to a quarterback that was I think three 1413 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,880 Speaker 1: or four years older than Cousins. That was what was 1414 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,599 Speaker 1: most surprising to me. Yeah, but that's what they did, 1415 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,200 Speaker 1: and then the dominoes kind of fell from there, and 1416 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was the first domino in free agency, you know, 1417 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000 Speaker 1: and then we see Sam Bradford signing in Arizona, and 1418 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of went from there. Tyrod 1419 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,840 Speaker 1: gets t Yeah, I mean unprecedented quarterback movement in a 1420 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,080 Speaker 1: year where you also had five drafted in Round one. Yeah, 1421 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,719 Speaker 1: so it really you know, people say it's a quarterback 1422 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 1: driven lead league. It was never truer than this offseason 1423 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: that it is a quarterback driven leagues, a quarterback driven 1424 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 1: offseason in terms of news, and it's been fun and 1425 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,720 Speaker 1: it's about to end, and the Bills are about to 1426 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,960 Speaker 1: get down to the business of picking a quarterback when 1427 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,840 Speaker 1: they go to camp on Thursday. I don't know from 1428 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 1: you about training camp, sleepers. That's our Twitter poll today. 1429 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,080 Speaker 1: We'll check that when we come back, and we'll talk 1430 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: about a lot more with Chris Brown Bills inside a 1431 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,479 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot Com Come on back, One Bill Slide 1432 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive. This is 1433 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to the show, John Murphy 1434 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: with Chris Brown, Bills Insider from Buffalo Bills Dot com 1435 01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Speetcaster reached on just said Tomorrow as our co host. 1436 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, A company alive from one Goals 1437 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Drive for Great next door to new Airfield and the 1438 01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:00,360 Speaker 1: at Pro Sports Training Center on one Buffalo studio here today, Tomorrow, Tuesday, 1439 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,679 Speaker 1: and then Thursday. The whole show looks different. We're gonna 1440 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,519 Speaker 1: be out of training camp and our setup. I love 1441 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 1: our new you were there last year. A new training 1442 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,280 Speaker 1: camp setup elevated above the groundie stadium practice field. Players 1443 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,960 Speaker 1: come off the field right there. We can be right 1444 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,559 Speaker 1: there when they come off the field. Fans can take 1445 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,800 Speaker 1: a look at what we're doing. It's great. Training camp 1446 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,040 Speaker 1: is great. I love training camp. Tasker thought I was 1447 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,840 Speaker 1: nuts because I've been saying this for a couple of 1448 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 1: weeks and he has kind of the old player's perspective 1449 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,479 Speaker 1: of long training camp, double practices, blah blah blah. As 1450 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,240 Speaker 1: to see if it's totally different. It's like I said you, 1451 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 1: it's a football theme park. Fans are there right up 1452 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 1: next to the action. The only one practice a day. 1453 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 1: People are accessible, there's not pressure, there's not a game 1454 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday that gets your attention. I love 1455 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,720 Speaker 1: training camp Chris. It has its pluses. Has I don't 1456 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,040 Speaker 1: like to travel? Everyone like to drive that? Yeah, it's fine, 1457 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,080 Speaker 1: it's good. What you need to get ready? Yeah, I 1458 01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,720 Speaker 1: think so too. Start to do it starts Thursday with 1459 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,439 Speaker 1: the practice coming up Thursday evening at five thirty pm. 1460 01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 1: You need a ticket for that. Go to our webs 1461 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: like Buffalo bills dot com for more information on that. 1462 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: As we approach training camp, our Twitter poll today who 1463 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,360 Speaker 1: are going to be the training camps sleepers? Who do 1464 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,360 Speaker 1: you think are going to get people's attention to maybe 1465 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,240 Speaker 1: win a roster spot. I'd like to hear from you 1466 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: on that. It's our Twitter poll. You can ring us 1467 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 1: up at eight oh three oh five fifty or toll 1468 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,160 Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight by fifty two five fifty 1469 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,439 Speaker 1: Training camp sleeper? Who do you got? On Twitter? Thirty 1470 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,240 Speaker 1: six percent of you say the wide receiver Robert Foster, 1471 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,679 Speaker 1: thirty four percent of you say another wide receiver Rod Street, 1472 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,000 Speaker 1: or a veteran fifteen percent have a veteran corner Phillip Games, 1473 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,280 Speaker 1: fifteen percent have somebody else. You may have somebody else 1474 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,680 Speaker 1: in mind. Let us know. Tweet it in probably the 1475 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,800 Speaker 1: best way. Today we're having phone issues but tweeted in 1476 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,080 Speaker 1: at one Bills Live training camp sleeper this year and 1477 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 1: tell us why you think that is. On the tweet 1478 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,200 Speaker 1: sheet from Ryan Cox, he says it will be Gains, 1479 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,559 Speaker 1: it will be Phillam games. According to Ryan Cox, Gains 1480 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,479 Speaker 1: was to start every training camp in Kansas City. Then 1481 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 1: he would get hurt either in the last preseason game 1482 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,439 Speaker 1: or the regular season game. First regular season game and 1483 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: look awful the rest of the year. Ouch is that 1484 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 1: his m O. I don't recall coming across that Christ 1485 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,880 Speaker 1: If you don't either, I don't either. But he could be. 1486 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,920 Speaker 1: He could be the sleeper, right. I mean, he's just 1487 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a crafty player. You know, he doesn't 1488 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:22,000 Speaker 1: have the elite physical skills, but he is long, he's 1489 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,120 Speaker 1: fast enough, he can run and cover, and he's just 1490 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,760 Speaker 1: got some field savvy to him where he anticipates well 1491 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,200 Speaker 1: and makes plays. Now, is this guy an all world player? No, 1492 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: But in terms of the nickel corner job, which he's 1493 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,599 Speaker 1: in direct competition with rookie fourth round pick Terren Johnson, 1494 01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be competitive in going after 1495 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,559 Speaker 1: that role. So it's gonna be one of the more 1496 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,400 Speaker 1: interesting position battles in training camp, and then Philip Gaines 1497 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,080 Speaker 1: has somebody on Twitter, Sam Brooks, who says definitely not 1498 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,799 Speaker 1: gains ever, so a little bit differentive opinion on Twitter. 1499 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,760 Speaker 1: On the tweet sheet as well from Postman Pilot, who says, 1500 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,760 Speaker 1: whether you want to talk sleeper or most improved, I'm 1501 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,760 Speaker 1: counting on Matthew Milano to the surprise. I believe what 1502 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 1: we saw last year was just to start, and the 1503 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,519 Speaker 1: improved front seven should help launch him into a Pro 1504 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Bowl caliber linebacker. Thoughts, I think that's a lot to ask. 1505 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I think Milano had some good moments last year. I 1506 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: think he is a little bit undersized for the job, 1507 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 1: but we'll see what he can do here. I do 1508 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,559 Speaker 1: think he runs well, I think, and is a smart 1509 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,879 Speaker 1: player too. Is he going to be a Pro Bowl linebacker? 1510 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's asking a lot. I 1511 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,639 Speaker 1: think it'll be him and Edmonds though in the nickel Yeah, 1512 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean those will be the two linebackers on the 1513 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: field because both those guys can run and cover, so 1514 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot of them. I mean, 1515 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. There are 1516 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of snaps on the field. From 1517 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Milano this year. Interesting tweet they're talking about defense, Chris, 1518 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 1: you wrote about it and your Camp countdown. You wrote 1519 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,759 Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills run defense. Can the run defense 1520 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: finish in the top ten? Camp Countdown? As a regular 1521 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,799 Speaker 1: feature on Buffalo bills dot com, Chris and his cohorts 1522 01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,280 Speaker 1: write about issues that the Bills take to camp them 1523 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,120 Speaker 1: Last year, run defense was a problem obviously for the 1524 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. They allowed the fourth most yards per game, 1525 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the most touchdowns, the second most twenty yard or more runs, 1526 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,280 Speaker 1: and tied for fourth among forty yard or more runs. 1527 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,680 Speaker 1: Not much run well for the run defense. And this 1528 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,240 Speaker 1: was written by one of our cohorts, Dominic Lavalo, so 1529 01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: I'll give credit where it's due, But I did help 1530 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,559 Speaker 1: provide some answers from Lorenzo Alexander, who when I asked 1531 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,120 Speaker 1: him directly, you know, about the state of the run 1532 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,200 Speaker 1: defense last year and why he thinks it will be 1533 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,639 Speaker 1: better this year. He didn't think it was terrible last year, 1534 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,160 Speaker 1: he said, really, it was that three game stretch that 1535 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,040 Speaker 1: crushed our ranking against the run last year. And if 1536 01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: you go back and look before that three week stretch 1537 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:48,240 Speaker 1: where the Jets, the Saints and the Chargers. Yes, they 1538 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,439 Speaker 1: were twelfth in run defense before that three game stretch. 1539 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: Afterwards they were twenty ninth, and it was bad, you know, 1540 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,000 Speaker 1: you go back and look at it. They gave up 1541 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four rushing yards to the Jets 1542 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,280 Speaker 1: four point seven to carry two hundred ninety eight yards 1543 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 1: to the Saints. Remember Alvin Kamara pretty much locked up 1544 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,439 Speaker 1: rookie offensive MVP in that game. And then the Chargers, 1545 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: who were pretty much running at the end of the 1546 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,200 Speaker 1: game because they were ahead by so much one hundred 1547 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and forty six yards on thirty five carries, and I 1548 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 1: mean still two weeks later the Patriots ran for one 1549 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,839 Speaker 1: ninety one. So you could argue there were four games 1550 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: and the Patriots the second time they played him up 1551 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: there ran for one ninety three, so there were probably 1552 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,800 Speaker 1: five games, you know, three, not three, there were five. 1553 01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 1: But his opinion is we need to try to eliminate 1554 01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 1: games like that to where they don't build up. Maybe 1555 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,040 Speaker 1: we have one a season instead of having three or four. 1556 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,320 Speaker 1: He said that's our goal this year, and it should 1557 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,799 Speaker 1: be easier because, in his opinion, they don't have everybody 1558 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,000 Speaker 1: learning a new scheme, and he thinks they have a 1559 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 1: core group of veteran leadership that's going to bring the 1560 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,520 Speaker 1: new guys in, get him indoctrinated into what coach mcdermot's 1561 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,120 Speaker 1: trying to build, and he says that will help us 1562 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,080 Speaker 1: be were consistent group. And he's also of the opinion 1563 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,479 Speaker 1: that you know, if things are out of whack, they'll 1564 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,920 Speaker 1: be able to get it fixed quicker in terms of 1565 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,280 Speaker 1: gap responsibility and things of that nature, because you see it, 1566 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,559 Speaker 1: it's like a snowball rolling downhill. Somebody gets out of 1567 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,680 Speaker 1: a gap and somebody busts out a sixty yard run 1568 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,160 Speaker 1: against the Bills. Well, now someone's trying to do more 1569 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,120 Speaker 1: on the next play and cover for somebody else. Now 1570 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,200 Speaker 1: they're out of their gap, and the process or the 1571 01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,120 Speaker 1: problem compounds itself, and for the Bills last year, it 1572 01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 1: compounded himself for three consecutive weeks where there just wasn't 1573 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,680 Speaker 1: the trust that the guy next to them was going 1574 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,680 Speaker 1: to take care of their responsibility. So they're trying to 1575 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,679 Speaker 1: cover their own and somebody else's and in that scheme 1576 01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,040 Speaker 1: it just doesn't work well. So the Bills were twenty 1577 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 1: ninth against the run last year. Yeah, and overall defensively 1578 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,920 Speaker 1: twenty I'd have to look at it, but it was bad. Now. 1579 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Tasker and I had this discussion months ago. Steve believes 1580 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,040 Speaker 1: they'll be a top ten defense, not run defense, but 1581 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,840 Speaker 1: top ten overall. Lorenzo came in the same day and 1582 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,880 Speaker 1: said the exact same thing you said. The three game 1583 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,120 Speaker 1: in the middle, that was awful. And I give the 1584 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,360 Speaker 1: Bills credit for bouncing back from that three game losing streak, 1585 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,280 Speaker 1: three horrible losses. The lost to New Orleans was was abominable. 1586 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,559 Speaker 1: Last year. It was awful. It wasn't the same team, right, 1587 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: but they bounced back from that wound up winning at 1588 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,519 Speaker 1: the end and making the playoffs. I give him a 1589 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:17,920 Speaker 1: ton of credit for that. I think that was the 1590 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,799 Speaker 1: critical point of the season, bouncing back. But that still happened, 1591 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,479 Speaker 1: and as you point out, it happened a couple of 1592 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,240 Speaker 1: more times against New England. Look, there are different defenses 1593 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,160 Speaker 1: this year in terms of some personnel. Tremaine Edmonds should 1594 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,280 Speaker 1: be a difference maker, right, a big strong like that 1595 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,599 Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, Letulae should be a difference maker. 1596 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,519 Speaker 1: Murphy and when he's healthy. We hope he's healthy. But 1597 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,920 Speaker 1: there that's a question, right, I don't know if they'll 1598 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,679 Speaker 1: be top ten and run defense or overall defense tasker, 1599 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,760 Speaker 1: and I have a bit of an informal wager on that. 1600 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,680 Speaker 1: I hope they are. I know they're going to be 1601 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: improved defensively. I think just the second year in Leslie's 1602 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,880 Speaker 1: Frazier scheme would make them improve defensively. And then you 1603 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: add in the new guys Lotulae and Tremaine Edmonds and 1604 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,479 Speaker 1: Trent Murphy if he's healthy, and some others. I think 1605 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,599 Speaker 1: they are going to be a proved defense, top ten 1606 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 1: against the run. I don't know your camp countdown in 1607 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,719 Speaker 1: quotes from what Lorenzo Alexander and from from Kyle Williams, 1608 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,120 Speaker 1: that'd say, yes, they're gonna be good, right And I 1609 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,519 Speaker 1: remember Matt Milano telling us very early in the spring, 1610 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 1: we're shooting to be top five. Now that's pretty lofty. 1611 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to be really, really good after 1612 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,559 Speaker 1: sixteen games to be top five and overall defense top 1613 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,120 Speaker 1: five and anything quite frankly, and that's a that's a 1614 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,599 Speaker 1: sizeable jump in run defense. I could see them being 1615 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,160 Speaker 1: top half of the league and run d maybe twelve, yeah, 1616 01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, fourteen somewhere in there. And that's that's enough 1617 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,439 Speaker 1: to get your wins. If your offense is consistent, you know, 1618 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,280 Speaker 1: and getting somewhere between twenty two twenty four points a game. 1619 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,000 Speaker 1: If you're twelfth against the run on average, you've got 1620 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of winning more than you lose. 1621 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see it all come together 1622 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,080 Speaker 1: in gel. I think the benefit here is you've got 1623 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,200 Speaker 1: a guy like Lato Lay that has played in this 1624 01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,160 Speaker 1: exact same scheme. So he comes in and while he's 1625 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,599 Speaker 1: a new player, he's not a new guy to the scheme, 1626 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,680 Speaker 1: and I think that's a that's an enormous advantage. He 1627 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,160 Speaker 1: knows exactly how to play that key run stuffing position. 1628 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,000 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe a guy like Trent Murphy needs 1629 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more time and gets a few more 1630 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,320 Speaker 1: snaps to get a full handle on what his job 1631 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,320 Speaker 1: responsibilities are out there on the edge, setting the edge, 1632 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 1: forcing it all back inside where Latoula just drops in 1633 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,320 Speaker 1: and goes in my estimation, I mean, yes, he has 1634 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,360 Speaker 1: to know how to play off Kyle to a certain extent, 1635 01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,800 Speaker 1: but in terms of his individual responsibilities against the run pass, 1636 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:49,000 Speaker 1: whatever the call is, he's ready to execute that today, now, yesterday, 1637 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,120 Speaker 1: because that's all He's done this scheme his entire career. 1638 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,720 Speaker 1: There's another thing I like about Latulala, and I don't 1639 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,280 Speaker 1: know him, Wealth talked to him a couple of times, 1640 01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 1: but he, to me observationally, has been the most consistent 1641 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: workers here during the offseason. He's always here, Chris, even 1642 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,000 Speaker 1: on off days, even in recent weeks, I mean the 1643 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,760 Speaker 1: mini camp and in what June fifteenth. Lutulae has been 1644 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,120 Speaker 1: here since. A veteran with a life and you know, 1645 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,479 Speaker 1: obviously a pretty much a lockdown roster spot has been 1646 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,519 Speaker 1: here a lot, working hard, I think, and I like 1647 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,400 Speaker 1: that about him. I think he is driven somehow to 1648 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of resuscitate his career here with the Buffalo Bills. 1649 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,559 Speaker 1: I liked that about him. Tweet sheet from Tiffany Daniels 1650 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,840 Speaker 1: as we asked for training camp sleepers, and this deals 1651 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,559 Speaker 1: with the defense as well, and maybe even whether the 1652 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,400 Speaker 1: run defense has improved. Tiffany Daniels tweets in Shack Lawson 1653 01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,599 Speaker 1: may not technically be a sleeper, but I think he's 1654 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: going to elevate his game to the next level and 1655 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,679 Speaker 1: steal a starting position on the defensive line this year. 1656 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,639 Speaker 1: He even qualifies the sleeper in my book a guy 1657 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,040 Speaker 1: that you know, many people have a I don't know 1658 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,240 Speaker 1: people have written him off, but people have doubts about 1659 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,519 Speaker 1: Shack Lawson, first round pick a couple of years ago, 1660 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,639 Speaker 1: and some fans think, you know, they've seen the best 1661 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,320 Speaker 1: of him. I don't think the Bills have. I don't 1662 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,880 Speaker 1: think Lawson believes that he's given a best yet. So 1663 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,519 Speaker 1: he's going to be an interesting guy to watch and 1664 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,040 Speaker 1: does he qualify as a sleeper. He qualifies as a 1665 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,559 Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on over the next couple 1666 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,920 Speaker 1: of weeks. Again, I don't know if you can call 1667 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,240 Speaker 1: a first round pick a sleeper, though, you know, there's 1668 01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 1: so much and granted he was a first round pick 1669 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,439 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, not this year, but still 1670 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,160 Speaker 1: everybody knows who he is. Everybody's seen him when he's 1671 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,800 Speaker 1: been on the field. I'll say this, the light bulb 1672 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: went off in Shack Lawson's head this offseason, went off, 1673 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,880 Speaker 1: went on. What do you mean it went yeah, it 1674 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,720 Speaker 1: did boom, Yeah, it went on. Yeah if it was no, 1675 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of say, it's like, you know, 1676 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: the fireworks went off, the light bulb went off. That's 1677 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,040 Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of I understand why you're confused 1678 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,840 Speaker 1: by the way I worded that. I was horribly worded, 1679 01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:47,600 Speaker 1: but but he there was a change there in his mindset, 1680 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,160 Speaker 1: and just in sitting and talking to him, I was 1681 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,760 Speaker 1: just kind of fascinated to hear his mental processing of 1682 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,080 Speaker 1: the status of his career. I think he saw it. 1683 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's sitting on his couch watching the Jacksonville 1684 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,400 Speaker 1: playoff game because he's injured again at the end of 1685 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,360 Speaker 1: the year, because he's not taking care of himself, and 1686 01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,519 Speaker 1: it was an epiphany, I want to be in those games. 1687 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,760 Speaker 1: I got to change the way I take care of 1688 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 1: my body. And he set about to doing that this offseason. 1689 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,240 Speaker 1: And when he came in here in the spring, I'm 1690 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,120 Speaker 1: watching him come off the line, saying he is definitely 1691 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,000 Speaker 1: faster off the line now because he came in here 1692 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,280 Speaker 1: and you say, well, he's he's a power rush guy. 1693 01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,200 Speaker 1: He's not getting around the edge on anybody at two 1694 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:33,280 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight pounds, and he wasn't. And now 1695 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,640 Speaker 1: he comes into the spring, he's two sixty five and 1696 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,479 Speaker 1: he is much quicker off the line. And I just 1697 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,000 Speaker 1: tried to confirm this for me, because you know, I 1698 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,760 Speaker 1: don't have the trained eye than an NFL scout does, 1699 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,240 Speaker 1: or another player might, or a coach might. So I 1700 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,880 Speaker 1: go to Jerry Hughes, I said, Shack the quicker off 1701 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:54,320 Speaker 1: the line to you response two seconds, oh yeah, oh yeah. 1702 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,360 Speaker 1: And I think he's I think Jerry's as excited about 1703 01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,920 Speaker 1: it as Shack is, because Jerry knows what that means 1704 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 1: for him, as if he's attracting attention, his life gets 1705 01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,880 Speaker 1: easier on the other side. And I think the most 1706 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,680 Speaker 1: encouraging thing for Shack and for Jerry and talking to 1707 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,080 Speaker 1: him is he said, the thing Jerry told me. The 1708 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,040 Speaker 1: thing that encourages me the most is Shack's already talking 1709 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,320 Speaker 1: about getting even leaner in the time that Mini camp 1710 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,000 Speaker 1: broke and he was going to be away for five 1711 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,920 Speaker 1: weeks before coming back to training camp, and he told 1712 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,200 Speaker 1: me the same thing. Shack basically said, I'm at about 1713 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,800 Speaker 1: seventeen percent body fat right now, and I want to 1714 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 1: get down to fourteen before I come back for camp. 1715 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,519 Speaker 1: If he gets down to fourteen percent body fat and 1716 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,720 Speaker 1: he wants to be two sixty when he gets back here, 1717 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,479 Speaker 1: if he hits that, he could have a really good year. 1718 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,280 Speaker 1: He really could. From a pass rush perspective in a 1719 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,760 Speaker 1: year where as much as we're talking about the run defense, Murph, 1720 01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: the pass rush has got to log more quarterback takedowns. 1721 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,479 Speaker 1: There were a lot of close ones where they're pressure 1722 01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,880 Speaker 1: and a guy hurrying a throw something like that, but 1723 01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,439 Speaker 1: not getting the sack. I know sacks aren't everything, but 1724 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,679 Speaker 1: the Sean mcgerman defense the history, their teams usually finished 1725 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,640 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top five in sacks. It's just go 1726 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,120 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, more often than not top five 1727 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,040 Speaker 1: in sacks. They weren't anywhere near that last year. So 1728 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,840 Speaker 1: if Shaq can put that together, Tren Murphy, can you 1729 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,480 Speaker 1: come off the knee injury fine, and Jerry is Jerry, 1730 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,080 Speaker 1: then they can get upwards of forty sacks, maybe a 1731 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 1: little more. You know what. My take on Lawson has 1732 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,600 Speaker 1: been for a couple of months, and I really believe this. 1733 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,599 Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. He is matured. When he got here 1734 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,920 Speaker 1: first round pick out of Clemson, he got here to 1735 01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan's team, Rex Ryan's defense, and to be honest, 1736 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,040 Speaker 1: he wasn't challenged enough, wasn't challenged to grow up or 1737 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,400 Speaker 1: or be a contributing player that much. It was just 1738 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of the nature of the atmosphere around here for 1739 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,000 Speaker 1: charity first of all. Yeah, and he's been challenged last year. 1740 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 1: I think he answered the call a couple of times 1741 01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,680 Speaker 1: last year. You know, he can watch some of the 1742 01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,559 Speaker 1: highlights of Shack Lawson. Couldn't stay healthy, so he missed 1743 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 1: the tail end of the season. But I do think 1744 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,760 Speaker 1: he's just grown up. And even first rounders have to 1745 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,000 Speaker 1: grow up in this league. Guys come out of college 1746 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,400 Speaker 1: at a very young age, you know, twenty one, twenty 1747 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,920 Speaker 1: two in many cases, and don't know what it takes 1748 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,920 Speaker 1: to be a pro. I think check Lawson has learned 1749 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,519 Speaker 1: what he needs to do. You talk about the weight 1750 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,599 Speaker 1: loss and the the percentage of body fat loss, which 1751 01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,599 Speaker 1: is critical, and it's it's about health, it's about approach, 1752 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,720 Speaker 1: and I think in his case, it's about maturity. I 1753 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,880 Speaker 1: see a much more mature check Lass. He went down 1754 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,120 Speaker 1: to Atlanta in these last five weeks. He went to 1755 01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,360 Speaker 1: go work with former NFL defensive end Chuck Smith used 1756 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,920 Speaker 1: to play with the Falcons. Yeah, Chuck Smith's got a 1757 01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,719 Speaker 1: Clinton camp down there for pass rushers, defensive ends, outside 1758 01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,160 Speaker 1: linebackers in the three. Yeahtch guys, And he's like, yep, 1759 01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to work with Chuck. Next five weeks, I'll 1760 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,599 Speaker 1: be with Chuck, so okay, I can't wait to see 1761 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: you back here. I can't wait to see him either. 1762 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,680 Speaker 1: It can maybe not a sleeper with a guy to 1763 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,559 Speaker 1: keep an eye in and camp. Chris and I back 1764 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,120 Speaker 1: with Moore in a moment. We're going to talk a 1765 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,720 Speaker 1: little bit about Ben Roethlisberger and what he thinks that 1766 01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,439 Speaker 1: Josh Allen will do that When we return two o'clock, 1767 01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,080 Speaker 1: we're going to talk with a special guests that a 1768 01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,639 Speaker 1: Brown sports director in w ro OCTV in Rochester. He'll 1769 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,360 Speaker 1: be on the line with us as well. Chris is 1770 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,680 Speaker 1: here today, Steve is back tomorrow. It's one goes Live 1771 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:15,519 Speaker 1: from One Goal Drive. This is Buffaledo Bill's Radio one. 1772 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm back to one of does live. John Murphy here, 1773 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,559 Speaker 1: Chris Brown in four Steam Caster today, Stevens back tomorrow. 1774 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,200 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about Josh Allen on the show 1775 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,479 Speaker 1: we've you know, the comparisons always come up, both before 1776 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,599 Speaker 1: the draft and answered the Bill's drafted him. Who does 1777 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,599 Speaker 1: he remind you of? He compared to several quarterbacks. I'll 1778 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,400 Speaker 1: talk about Cam Newton. Maybe he's a little bit like 1779 01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,960 Speaker 1: Cam Newton with the athleticism Carson Wentz. Because they both 1780 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: come from way out there in the Plaine States, nobody 1781 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,320 Speaker 1: knows quite what to make of them. How about Ben Roethlisberger. 1782 01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:49,000 Speaker 1: Big quarterbacks, athletic quarterbacks, big arms, can throw on the run. 1783 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,200 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of comparison with Josh Ellen with 1784 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,879 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, and apparently Roethlisberger doesn't like it. The Casper 1785 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,839 Speaker 1: Star Tribune out in Casper, Ryne, published an article yesterday 1786 01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:06,080 Speaker 1: and the reporter Mike Bath is it is that his name? Yes? 1787 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,559 Speaker 1: Mike Bath says that he asked Roethlisberger about the comparison 1788 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,760 Speaker 1: to Josh Ellen. Here's his quote. Oh really, you're going 1789 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,640 Speaker 1: to compare me to a twenty two year old kid? Huh? 1790 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,320 Speaker 1: That's what Roethlisberger said in a text to the Casper 1791 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,840 Speaker 1: a newspaper Casper, Wyoming. I don't blame Ben Roethlisberger for 1792 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,800 Speaker 1: saying that eighty four touchdowns thirty four picks in his 1793 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,360 Speaker 1: college career. Granted he was in the Mid American Conference, 1794 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: but I would say that conference is not quite maybe 1795 01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,040 Speaker 1: what the Mountain What are they play in the Whack 1796 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Wyoming or is that the Mountain West? I think it's 1797 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,920 Speaker 1: Mountain West Now, I gotta look it up either way, 1798 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's not that much of a step up, 1799 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,080 Speaker 1: if at all. As a matter of fact, Wyoming played 1800 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,120 Speaker 1: a couple of Mid American Conference teams the last couple 1801 01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:53,200 Speaker 1: of years, including Western Michigan last season. Ben Roethlisberger averaged 1802 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,479 Speaker 1: through his college career more than eight yards an attempt, 1803 01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,439 Speaker 1: which is a very very respectable number, and completed sixty 1804 01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,559 Speaker 1: five and a half percent of his passes in his 1805 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,960 Speaker 1: college career. Yeah, was never under sixty three percent completion 1806 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,680 Speaker 1: percentage in college. And you know, I know we can 1807 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:14,360 Speaker 1: slice the offense seventeen different ways, and you know reference 1808 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:19,639 Speaker 1: that is the reason. But Roethlisberger's credentials from a production 1809 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,360 Speaker 1: standpoint coming out of college were vastly superior to that 1810 01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,000 Speaker 1: of Josh Allen. Um And yet I think Josh Allen 1811 01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,160 Speaker 1: is a better athlete than Ben Roethlisberger. And it's not 1812 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:34,840 Speaker 1: even close. You cannot run a readoption offense with Ben Roethlisberger. 1813 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,880 Speaker 1: You can do it with Josh Allen. He's got the 1814 01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,280 Speaker 1: legs to do that. You know what, I think that 1815 01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:42,040 Speaker 1: comp where the comparison lies. It's not statistically Chris as 1816 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,160 Speaker 1: much as it's um what our buddy Great Cosel had 1817 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,680 Speaker 1: a name for, traits, the traits they have. I think 1818 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:54,360 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger and Josh Ellen have similar traits sized, big arm, athleticism. 1819 01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,439 Speaker 1: It's not what they produced, what they did in college 1820 01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,160 Speaker 1: that would lead to comparison. It's because you're always looking 1821 01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,080 Speaker 1: at these guys and say, and what could they become? 1822 01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,679 Speaker 1: What could he do with that big arm? What could 1823 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,559 Speaker 1: he do with that athleticism and that that height and 1824 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,600 Speaker 1: that sturdy nature. Traits That's what Great Cosell calls it 1825 01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,680 Speaker 1: when you talk about, you know, comparables among quarterbacks. And 1826 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,320 Speaker 1: I think they have similar traits. That's why I think 1827 01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,759 Speaker 1: it's all about not what they did, what they produced 1828 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,160 Speaker 1: in college. I think I would I would I would 1829 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:25,200 Speaker 1: argue that they have similar traits Josh Allen and Ben Roethlisberger. Now, Roethlisberger, 1830 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,280 Speaker 1: it's not his way to the Hall of Fame someday, 1831 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,440 Speaker 1: right with his production in the NFL and his production 1832 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,559 Speaker 1: what he's done in terms of wins and in the 1833 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,080 Speaker 1: passing game. Josh Allen, who knows if he has that 1834 01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,599 Speaker 1: in him. But I do think trait wise, they share 1835 01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of those similar traits. So I don't mind 1836 01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,559 Speaker 1: that comparison at all. I can see why Roethlisberger might 1837 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,840 Speaker 1: get a little bit upset. You're gonna compare me to 1838 01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,760 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old, Yeah, then we are. I mean, 1839 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,519 Speaker 1: this is Ben Roethlisberger who got mad when they drafted 1840 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,759 Speaker 1: a quarterback, right, I mean come on, Yeah, Mason Rudolph 1841 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,559 Speaker 1: is not that bad either, right, And if anything, I 1842 01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,840 Speaker 1: would argue Mason Rudolph, well, he doesn't have the arm 1843 01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger does, but he moves about the same as Ben Roethlisberger. 1844 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:09,240 Speaker 1: Neither of those guys are fleet of foot. So yeah, 1845 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean leader, if you want to compare traits, I 1846 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,280 Speaker 1: think there is leadership potential in Josh Allen that is 1847 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,800 Speaker 1: similar to the leadership traits of Ben Roethlisberger. I think 1848 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,920 Speaker 1: that might be where they're most alike, maybe even more 1849 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,760 Speaker 1: than the arm strength, which I think is undeniably comparable. 1850 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,960 Speaker 1: So and I was gonna be the two I would pick. 1851 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,519 Speaker 1: I would argue that Ben Roethlisberger has not always been 1852 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,640 Speaker 1: a great leader. He had brushes with the law, He 1853 01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,360 Speaker 1: had issues. You know, what was the motorcycle? What was 1854 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,559 Speaker 1: he driving? He got in trouble at once. Oh yeah, 1855 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean he's had issues. He had issues or let 1856 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,040 Speaker 1: theing have a sidecar? Why? I think maybe not that 1857 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,840 Speaker 1: right there says something about Roethlisberger, the fact that he 1858 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,880 Speaker 1: had a bike with a sidecar a break care. We 1859 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,559 Speaker 1: got headlines coming up. And then Van Brown, who covers 1860 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,960 Speaker 1: the Bills has for years and years from w ro 1861 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,000 Speaker 1: OCTV in Rochester. The Bills are coming to his town 1862 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,760 Speaker 1: on Thursday for training camp. We'll talk with dad about that. 1863 01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,719 Speaker 1: Come on back one Bills Live for One Go Drive 1864 01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:06,800 Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bill's radio. Players will begin to 1865 01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,240 Speaker 1: report the Saint John Fisher College over the next few days. 1866 01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,639 Speaker 1: First training camp practice Thursday, five thirty pm. A couple 1867 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,839 Speaker 1: of the big issues headed to camp, obviously the quarterback 1868 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,439 Speaker 1: panel battle. First round draft pick Josh Allen still unsigned 1869 01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,480 Speaker 1: but expected to be a major force in the quarterback competition. 1870 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,439 Speaker 1: The status of running back Lashaw McCoy is still in question. 1871 01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,840 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport at NFL dot Com reported earlier today that 1872 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,439 Speaker 1: McCoy will be at training camp with the rest of 1873 01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,639 Speaker 1: the players on Wednesday and is expected on the field 1874 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,280 Speaker 1: for the first practice on Thursday unless his status changes 1875 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,880 Speaker 1: with the NFL or with the Buffalo Bills. Two weeks ago, 1876 01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,879 Speaker 1: there were social media allegations made about McCoy's incident McCoy's 1877 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,040 Speaker 1: involvement in an incident in Milton, Georgia. So far, nothing 1878 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,080 Speaker 1: from the police at the police officials down there, and 1879 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,200 Speaker 1: so unless his status changes, Shady McCoy expected to be 1880 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,840 Speaker 1: at training camp with the Bills this week. Josh Gordon 1881 01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,960 Speaker 1: will not be with the Cleveland Browns at their training 1882 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,320 Speaker 1: camp this week, he announced today on Twitter. He has 1883 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,600 Speaker 1: missed most of the last three seasons because of suspensions 1884 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,479 Speaker 1: were related to violations of the NFL's substance abuse policy. 1885 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,200 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, se Quon Barkley signed his contract with 1886 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,280 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, number two overall pick, four years, 1887 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,840 Speaker 1: thirty one point two million dollars. He becomes one of 1888 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,920 Speaker 1: the NFL's top paid running backs before he ever takes 1889 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,080 Speaker 1: a snap. Arizona Cardinals running McDavid Johnson is going to 1890 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,599 Speaker 1: end his contract hold out that ran through their mini camp. 1891 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,000 Speaker 1: He will be at Cardinals training camp. Vikings offensive line 1892 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,160 Speaker 1: coach Tony Sperrano died unexpectedly over the weekend at the 1893 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,080 Speaker 1: age of fifty six. He had complained about chess pains, 1894 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,240 Speaker 1: went to the hospital Thursday, was released on Friday, passed 1895 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,800 Speaker 1: away at home yesterday and the Hamilton Tiger Cats of 1896 01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,880 Speaker 1: the Canadian Football League and traded away it's quarterback Johnny 1897 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,479 Speaker 1: Manzel to the Montreal Alouettes last place Montreal Alouettes a 1898 01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,479 Speaker 1: five player deal and reunites him with the coach who 1899 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,400 Speaker 1: recruited him to Texas A and M coach Mike Sherman. 1900 01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,960 Speaker 1: That's the update from One Bill's Drive, John Murphy and 1901 01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,320 Speaker 1: Chris Brown in our one Buffalo studio. Steve Tasker turns 1902 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,559 Speaker 1: to us on the show tomorrow and for the rest 1903 01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,200 Speaker 1: of the week. We're off to Rochester Thursday and Friday 1904 01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,280 Speaker 1: for our first two shows and training camp, and there 1905 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,519 Speaker 1: to greet us and to do his own job covering 1906 01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,320 Speaker 1: the Bills. Will be our next guest sports director at 1907 01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,800 Speaker 1: w r OCTV and Rochester. He's been there for nineteen years, 1908 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,000 Speaker 1: so this is his nineteenth season covering the Buffalo Bills. 1909 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,479 Speaker 1: Happy to have Ed Brown from Rochester on the show 1910 01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,679 Speaker 1: with the stat John Murphy and Chris here in Buffalo. 1911 01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, We appreciate it. Hey fellas, how 1912 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,839 Speaker 1: are you doing? Thanks for having me on. I appreciate 1913 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,040 Speaker 1: it too. You got to welcome Matt out yet, or 1914 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,519 Speaker 1: we don't talk about matts at Saint John Fisher, you 1915 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,240 Speaker 1: know that, you know. But yeah, we'll be ready. What's 1916 01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,200 Speaker 1: the bills get here on Thursday, that's for sure. In fact, 1917 01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,600 Speaker 1: today we're already you know, doing our little thing with 1918 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,559 Speaker 1: the news program going out the Fisher's see what's going on. 1919 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,479 Speaker 1: What are the blocking sleds? There are the helmets there? 1920 01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be excited once Thursday comes. Have you 1921 01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,040 Speaker 1: been out there that I was told that they rebuilt 1922 01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,840 Speaker 1: the main practice field, the one you know inside the 1923 01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,920 Speaker 1: track and field stadium. Is that true? Has that kind 1924 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,599 Speaker 1: of change been made out there? Yeah, that's a resolutely true. 1925 01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,599 Speaker 1: It's been worked on also for long. They actually rolled 1926 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,000 Speaker 1: the sod in maybe three or four weeks ago, and 1927 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean they redid it. You know, this is not 1928 01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, me and you throwing some grass sheet down 1929 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,599 Speaker 1: on a spot on our law and this is yank 1930 01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,439 Speaker 1: and everything out. You know, there was a good foot 1931 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,040 Speaker 1: and a half deep hole that was the entire football field. 1932 01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,120 Speaker 1: It's the first time they've done it in the seven 1933 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,920 Speaker 1: eight year old history of that stadium. So that the 1934 01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,360 Speaker 1: turf is absolutely brand new and as Christina's can be, 1935 01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,200 Speaker 1: so whatever concerns were that last year, they should not 1936 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,640 Speaker 1: be a problem this year. It's become kind of a 1937 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:36,439 Speaker 1: multi purpose camp with that extra side field that was 1938 01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,479 Speaker 1: put into use a couple of years ago, with a 1939 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,800 Speaker 1: tennis court choose to be obviously grounde stadium is available. 1940 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,400 Speaker 1: They have a lot of options down there when it 1941 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,960 Speaker 1: comes to fields and venues in which to practice of 1942 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,320 Speaker 1: Fisher these days don't pay yeah, and I think you 1943 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:49,920 Speaker 1: have to too. I mean, you think about just the 1944 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,679 Speaker 1: logistics of it. You put ninety guys on a field 1945 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,680 Speaker 1: with you know, fifteen twenty coaches. You need room to 1946 01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,120 Speaker 1: do stuff, and you know, I think the bills are 1947 01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,719 Speaker 1: certainly compable to set up a Fisher now that size 1948 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,680 Speaker 1: field has been you know, a huge addition and a 1949 01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,479 Speaker 1: great way to just give everybody the space they need 1950 01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:07,680 Speaker 1: to get all the work done that you know you're 1951 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,160 Speaker 1: trying to get done, and you know through it's a 1952 01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,760 Speaker 1: training camp. I think I think we all know that 1953 01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,480 Speaker 1: this whole quarterback thing is going to be a polarizing 1954 01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,360 Speaker 1: issue from start to finish out there at Fisher. That's 1955 01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:21,639 Speaker 1: no secret for anybody is there is what is item 1956 01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,360 Speaker 1: one A on your watch list? After that, after quarterback 1957 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,639 Speaker 1: would be offensive line for sure. You know you lose 1958 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,640 Speaker 1: Richie you know, and Eric Wood, you know, mostly unexpectedly. 1959 01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, these are guys that I'm sure we're in 1960 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,160 Speaker 1: the bills plans if you go back to late late 1961 01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,559 Speaker 1: December UM and you know they didn't really spend high 1962 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 1: assets on replacing those guys. You know, a fifth round 1963 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,719 Speaker 1: draft pick was as high as they won the old line. 1964 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,719 Speaker 1: They weren't premiere free agent signing. They were lower level guys. 1965 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,360 Speaker 1: So I want to see what the Bills can get 1966 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,040 Speaker 1: out of that. And a lot of times you were 1967 01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 1: to training camp and you hear about we want cohesion, 1968 01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,320 Speaker 1: we want the offensive line working together. We want to 1969 01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,720 Speaker 1: find our five this year. I don't want to say 1970 01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,400 Speaker 1: the bar is lower, but what I want to see 1971 01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,560 Speaker 1: is beyond Dion Dawkins. I want to see one or 1972 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,479 Speaker 1: two or three guys when we get done with camp 1973 01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,160 Speaker 1: and I can say that guy can play. I'm confident 1974 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,920 Speaker 1: with having him starting on my team because I think 1975 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,719 Speaker 1: the Bills unfortunately got dealt a hand offensive line wise 1976 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,120 Speaker 1: that puts them so far back to square one. In 1977 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,439 Speaker 1: terms of building this up. To expect to have a 1978 01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,960 Speaker 1: solid five man group coming out of this month, I 1979 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,680 Speaker 1: think might be too much to ask. Give me a 1980 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,800 Speaker 1: give me. Is it gonna be you know, Ryan Groy? 1981 01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:26,320 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be? Why a teller? I'm a huge 1982 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,080 Speaker 1: fan of him. The fifth round pick? You know, is 1983 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:29,640 Speaker 1: it going to be Russell Bodin in the center they 1984 01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:31,360 Speaker 1: got from the Bengals. Just give me a couple of 1985 01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,519 Speaker 1: guys out of there where I can say, yes, I 1986 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,160 Speaker 1: feel good about that guy. He can play and we'll 1987 01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,160 Speaker 1: figure out the rest of we go along. That doesn't 1988 01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,320 Speaker 1: Ryan Groy and qualify as maybe a guy who can 1989 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,400 Speaker 1: count on base on his performance two years ago. What 1990 01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,519 Speaker 1: do you get nine starts for Eric Wood a couple 1991 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,080 Speaker 1: of years ago? Right, I love him. He would be 1992 01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,840 Speaker 1: one of the first guys I would point to to 1993 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,519 Speaker 1: expect to satisfy, you know, my conditions of having it 1994 01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,679 Speaker 1: coming out of camp. That'd be good. But it's only 1995 01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,040 Speaker 1: nine starts and he got a little less playing time 1996 01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,120 Speaker 1: than I expected him to have last year, so there's 1997 01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a question there. I like him, though, 1998 01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,519 Speaker 1: I really If I'm running an offensive line, you know, 1999 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,400 Speaker 1: i'd plug him right into a guard spot and expect 2000 01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,800 Speaker 1: to be fine. And I think a redemption guy is 2001 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,519 Speaker 1: John Miller all the way. I mean, another guy much 2002 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,080 Speaker 1: like Shack Lawson, where you know, the light bulb went 2003 01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,120 Speaker 1: on for him and he knows what he's got to 2004 01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,120 Speaker 1: do to get his starting job back. And it looks 2005 01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,520 Speaker 1: at least going into camp that he'll have an opportunity 2006 01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,160 Speaker 1: to do that at the right card spot. Yeah. Absolutely, 2007 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think you know Vlad Dakash is still 2008 01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,400 Speaker 1: in the mix there too. But this is why you 2009 01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,360 Speaker 1: have a coach like wodcast deal, you know, to be 2010 01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,519 Speaker 1: able to take a guy with the raw town that 2011 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,760 Speaker 1: we saw from John Miller early in his career and 2012 01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:36,479 Speaker 1: try and harness it and is somebody that can be 2013 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,559 Speaker 1: a competent starter at card. Again, you don't need five 2014 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,960 Speaker 1: studs to have a good offensive line, but you need 2015 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,760 Speaker 1: guys you can count on it. And we're still, I 2016 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,040 Speaker 1: think the build are still in the process of figuring out, 2017 01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, who those guys can be round the line. 2018 01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,439 Speaker 1: With that round sports director w ro OCTV and Rochester, 2019 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,200 Speaker 1: the Bills headed to Rochester for the nineteenth consecutive season 2020 01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,720 Speaker 1: for their training camp. At that what we kind of 2021 01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,600 Speaker 1: glossed over the quarterback thing. I wonder who do you 2022 01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,480 Speaker 1: think will be the fan favorite when it comes to quarterbacks. 2023 01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 1: We get a lot of calls about Nathan Peterman, we 2024 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,280 Speaker 1: get calls about a J. Mccaren, and you got the 2025 01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,880 Speaker 1: glamor of a first round quarterback draft pick. Do you 2026 01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,240 Speaker 1: think that the crowd will be evenly divided when it 2027 01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:14,640 Speaker 1: comes to room for those three or who do you 2028 01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,120 Speaker 1: think they'll be following. I think that the crowd will 2029 01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,559 Speaker 1: be on Josh Allen for two reasons. Number One, he 2030 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,000 Speaker 1: is the first round pick. He is the finger quotes 2031 01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,479 Speaker 1: future of the team, and fans want to see that 2032 01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:27,200 Speaker 1: guy succeed, especially when the Bills have had some swings 2033 01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,040 Speaker 1: and missus in that spot, you know, the last few years. 2034 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,439 Speaker 1: But more, I think once fans sit down and watch 2035 01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,800 Speaker 1: that guy sling at eighty years down field about even blinking, 2036 01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna fall in love about five seconds. So I 2037 01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,200 Speaker 1: think that guy will get people excited really quick, and 2038 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,120 Speaker 1: he will be the fan favorite. I don't think there's 2039 01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,000 Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, a situation where fans or for 2040 01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,280 Speaker 1: a guy and against another guy. I think that the 2041 01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,680 Speaker 1: nice situation with this Bill's depth chart at quarterback is 2042 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,400 Speaker 1: that they're all young, growing guys, and really, you know, theoretically, 2043 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,880 Speaker 1: they're all guys that could have long futures in this league. 2044 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,439 Speaker 1: So I think the fans will get behind all of them. 2045 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,160 Speaker 1: But Josh Allen has too any physical gifts to not 2046 01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,200 Speaker 1: be alluring the moment you look at him. I felt 2047 01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:06,720 Speaker 1: the same way. Is there a more interesting guy for 2048 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,679 Speaker 1: you on the defensive side of the ball besides Tremaine Edmonds? 2049 01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,720 Speaker 1: Anybody that approaches the level of interest with him? I 2050 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:17,040 Speaker 1: think I mean Edmonds is the guy. He's the eye 2051 01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,400 Speaker 1: candy guy in defense, He's the He's the guy that 2052 01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,559 Speaker 1: have used correctly and if given the opera, the opera 2053 01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,880 Speaker 1: the space to operate, can be a cruise missile on 2054 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,000 Speaker 1: this defense and just blow stuff up the left and right. 2055 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,920 Speaker 1: But in terms of a question mark or a guy 2056 01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,040 Speaker 1: that you know, the defense might hinge on to me, 2057 01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:36,639 Speaker 1: Star little Lay, if he does his job, he's gonna 2058 01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,800 Speaker 1: be able to open things up for everybody else around him. 2059 01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,800 Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander said a great in the spring. He said, 2060 01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,760 Speaker 1: Star isn't a star, he's a star maker. He's gonna 2061 01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,720 Speaker 1: occupy blockers up front, he's gonna get push up front 2062 01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,240 Speaker 1: to a lot guy like Jerry Hughes to have more 2063 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,639 Speaker 1: space to operate on the edge. He's gonna turn Edmond 2064 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,200 Speaker 1: into a weapon behind him. And you know, the group 2065 01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,080 Speaker 1: of them working together can allow the ball hawking secondary 2066 01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,360 Speaker 1: to have more you know, flutterers and floaters out there 2067 01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,479 Speaker 1: to pick. But it starts with Star He's got to 2068 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 1: do his job and be the star maker behind him. 2069 01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,360 Speaker 1: And I think if you see this defense blossom and 2070 01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,160 Speaker 1: what we all know it could be, which is you know, 2071 01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,679 Speaker 1: top level, nearly elite, it's gonna be because Star load 2072 01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,680 Speaker 1: Delay has done his job this year and I want 2073 01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:16,120 Speaker 1: to see. I don't know how much we're gonna get 2074 01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,960 Speaker 1: out of that in training camp being a veteran guy, 2075 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,720 Speaker 1: but that's the guy I'm really looking for in terms 2076 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,800 Speaker 1: of the lynchpin of this defensive success. We're on the 2077 01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,280 Speaker 1: line with the Round Sports director at w R OCTV 2078 01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,479 Speaker 1: and Rochester getting set for training camp in Rochester. It 2079 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,479 Speaker 1: starts later this week. Some of us, my partner Weekday 2080 01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,479 Speaker 1: partner Steve Tasker, think the Buffalo defense with some of 2081 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,720 Speaker 1: the additions you just talked about that, I think the 2082 01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,360 Speaker 1: Bills defense is going to be in for a frematic improvement. 2083 01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,160 Speaker 1: Steve thinks will be up in you know, top ten 2084 01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,960 Speaker 1: defense this year. Do you see that happening? And is 2085 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,720 Speaker 1: that critical for that to happen for the Bills to 2086 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,240 Speaker 1: be successful this year? I think the answer to both 2087 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,400 Speaker 1: those questions, yes, you know. I think. You know, we 2088 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,640 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit the Bill's losses on the 2089 01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,600 Speaker 1: offensive line, the young quarterbacks they're plugging in. You know, 2090 01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,320 Speaker 1: the receiver group is not overly impressive. The offense is 2091 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,800 Speaker 1: a certainly a work in progress, to be generous, but 2092 01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,280 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, to be honest, I 2093 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,519 Speaker 1: think top ten isn't a high enough bar for me. 2094 01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,040 Speaker 1: You know, if if these things, if these pieces work 2095 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:12,000 Speaker 1: out the way the Bills likely intend them, to top 2096 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,120 Speaker 1: five is not out of the question. I mean, you 2097 01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,840 Speaker 1: you have a potential pair of bookend rushers and Hughes 2098 01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,360 Speaker 1: and Trent Murphy that can be dangerous. You've got Kyle 2099 01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,120 Speaker 1: Williams and Starrup the middle. I love Edmunds. I liked 2100 01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,840 Speaker 1: Edmonds more than Rokan Smith come out of college. So 2101 01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,280 Speaker 1: and we already know what the secondary can do if 2102 01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,479 Speaker 1: the pieces work out the way the Bills in ten 2103 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,000 Speaker 1: and everybody stays relatively healthy. You know, this defense can 2104 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,519 Speaker 1: be dominating. This defense can be elite, and in my opinion, 2105 01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,920 Speaker 1: it can be good enough to carry you know, the 2106 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,920 Speaker 1: offense into another playoff. Berth. That might be the the 2107 01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,400 Speaker 1: ceiling end of this season's expectations. But you know, if 2108 01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:48,320 Speaker 1: the pieces work out, this defense can be really, really good. 2109 01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,040 Speaker 1: Who do you have as your favorite for number two 2110 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,479 Speaker 1: receiver opposite Benjamin I think Zay Jones is still my favorite, 2111 01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,479 Speaker 1: assuming you know his head is right and everything is 2112 01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:01,080 Speaker 1: ready to go and focus on football. I know he's 2113 01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,840 Speaker 1: coming off the injury too. Jeremy Curly is not a 2114 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,000 Speaker 1: guy to be overlooked though. This is a professional NFL receiver. 2115 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about in baseball, there are guys 2116 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,800 Speaker 1: who are just professional hitters. You just put them on 2117 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,840 Speaker 1: a field. They're gonna hit two seventy, They're gonna drive 2118 01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,439 Speaker 1: an eighty runs because that's what they do. Jeremy Curly 2119 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:17,759 Speaker 1: is that guy. He catches, he knows how to make catches, 2120 01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:19,559 Speaker 1: he knows how to get open. You know, he's a 2121 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,280 Speaker 1: dependable guy. He's not gonna bloil you away. No, this 2122 01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,240 Speaker 1: is a receiver not to be overlooked when it comes to, 2123 01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, being a guy on the field that the 2124 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,120 Speaker 1: Bills can count on. I don't know if he's the 2125 01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,519 Speaker 1: flashiest guy of the group. And like I said, I'd 2126 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,439 Speaker 1: still bet on to day, but you know, Curly the 2127 01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:34,519 Speaker 1: guy that I like having on my top. Chart Ed 2128 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:38,040 Speaker 1: Brown joins us from Rochester from w r OCTV said, 2129 01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,920 Speaker 1: as you said, you've covered the Bills for nineteen years. 2130 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,920 Speaker 1: They've been going to training camp in Rochester for nineteen years. 2131 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,679 Speaker 1: Have the Bills ever gone to camp with as many 2132 01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,320 Speaker 1: questions as they seem to have going into camp right now? 2133 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure there's been years. It doesn't I do. 2134 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,600 Speaker 1: It feels like there's a lot of questions. But I 2135 01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:55,800 Speaker 1: really like where the Bills are defensively, you know, and 2136 01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,280 Speaker 1: there's so many questions on offense and at quarterback. I 2137 01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,880 Speaker 1: think it makes it feel, you know, a little more 2138 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,040 Speaker 1: uncertain than maybe it is. I mean, you know, I 2139 01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,439 Speaker 1: look at this Bills team. You know, this is to me, 2140 01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,759 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like you go in your backyard, 2141 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,320 Speaker 1: you dig up a garden. You know, you do all 2142 01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,479 Speaker 1: the dirty work, you clear out all the weeds, you 2143 01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,680 Speaker 1: plant the seeds, you put everything in there, you get 2144 01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,280 Speaker 1: your filthy. It's like ninety degrees out. You feel terrible. 2145 01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,240 Speaker 1: Then you go inside, you take a shower, you clean 2146 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,439 Speaker 1: yourself off, you go back out. You look in the garden. 2147 01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,800 Speaker 1: Nothing's growing yet. You don't know what it's gonna be. 2148 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,400 Speaker 1: Maybe flowers come up, maybe deer coney eat all the seeds. 2149 01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,200 Speaker 1: You never know, but you've done the hard work. You 2150 01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,439 Speaker 1: feel clean, you feel good, you feel refreshed, and you're 2151 01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:35,439 Speaker 1: excited to see what's gonna bloom. And you know, again, 2152 01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna be. But I don't 2153 01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,360 Speaker 1: think I think there have been worse training camps at 2154 01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,120 Speaker 1: this point in terms of how you feel about this 2155 01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,120 Speaker 1: Bills team than I think most fans are about this 2156 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,400 Speaker 1: team right now. I think you're right, and especially when 2157 01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,800 Speaker 1: it comes to the overall picture in terms of the 2158 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:54,000 Speaker 1: key decision makers McDermott and being obviously, I think there's 2159 01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:57,080 Speaker 1: a level of trust and faith among the Bills fans 2160 01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,000 Speaker 1: in those two in particular that that make people Okay, 2161 01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:01,960 Speaker 1: it was saying, okay, maybe a step back this year, 2162 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,080 Speaker 1: maybe not, but I'm interesting. I mean here for the 2163 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,840 Speaker 1: long term to see what happens. Do you agree absolutely, 2164 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,400 Speaker 1: and we knew this would happen, you know, all of 2165 01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,519 Speaker 1: us who've covered the team for you know, well over 2166 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,320 Speaker 1: a decade. Whoever broke the drought was going to earn 2167 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,320 Speaker 1: you know that, right, And these two guys did it, 2168 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,000 Speaker 1: and you know they did it, you know, pretty unexpectedly, 2169 01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,759 Speaker 1: i'd say, in a year one. So they have certainly 2170 01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,960 Speaker 1: earned a bunch of leeway from the fans. And here 2171 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,160 Speaker 1: now we'll see what they do with it. You know, 2172 01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,320 Speaker 1: they've got a new quarterback that they like. Um, I 2173 01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,000 Speaker 1: like the way they're building the defense. You talk about 2174 01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,639 Speaker 1: a long term process. I think that's the right way 2175 01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,800 Speaker 1: to go. Like I said, we'll see what comes up 2176 01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,320 Speaker 1: out of that ground over the next couple of years. 2177 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,479 Speaker 1: Year two, you know, you hear McDermott and you hear 2178 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,800 Speaker 1: Being saying the build continues, but they're not lowering their 2179 01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,800 Speaker 1: standards at all. In a year where there is a 2180 01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,439 Speaker 1: lot of public opinion that this team is poised to 2181 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,920 Speaker 1: maybe take a step back from where they were last year, 2182 01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, Brandon being in a media sit down session said, 2183 01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,800 Speaker 1: we're not lowering our standard. We're here to win every 2184 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,320 Speaker 1: day and if we don't reach that standard, we're pointing 2185 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,040 Speaker 1: the finger back at ourselves. What do you think about 2186 01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,720 Speaker 1: that statement? And I know there are certain things you 2187 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,720 Speaker 1: have to say publicly, but when Brandon being says it, 2188 01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,479 Speaker 1: you genuinely believe it. Just your thoughts on that, I 2189 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,400 Speaker 1: think you know you summed it up pretty good and 2190 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,720 Speaker 1: that you have to say something like that, that's what 2191 01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,120 Speaker 1: these guys are going to say. Now that being said, 2192 01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,960 Speaker 1: they pulled it off last year. And you know when 2193 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,200 Speaker 1: I always say in the NFL, actions speak louder than words. 2194 01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,200 Speaker 1: You know, what did the team do? How do they act? 2195 01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,000 Speaker 1: You know what if they say they don't need help 2196 01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,240 Speaker 1: but running back and then they go sign a guy 2197 01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:32,720 Speaker 1: during the week, well then they think they need help 2198 01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,040 Speaker 1: a running back. This team went out last year and 2199 01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,120 Speaker 1: one even when you know you thought they were, you know, 2200 01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,320 Speaker 1: looking long term, not really worried about twenty seventeen. So 2201 01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, they've already pulled it off once. I'm not 2202 01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,719 Speaker 1: going to put a pass them to pull it off again. 2203 01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:48,240 Speaker 1: But that being said, they've they've you know, changed a 2204 01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,880 Speaker 1: lot of what they have on offense at the two 2205 01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,720 Speaker 1: probably most important spots offensive line and quarterback, and expecting 2206 01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,120 Speaker 1: all of that to work out into a winning record 2207 01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,120 Speaker 1: again this year. I think it's a tough ass. They 2208 01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,080 Speaker 1: pulled it off last year, so I'm going to give 2209 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,640 Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. But you know, I 2210 01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,000 Speaker 1: have a hard time getting myself to believe in picking 2211 01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,479 Speaker 1: this as a playoff team coming up in twenty eight team. 2212 01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,639 Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, though, is the AFC 2213 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,160 Speaker 1: is gettable. There aren't super teams out there. Their division 2214 01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,479 Speaker 1: is terrible. You know, they can win four games against 2215 01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:17,960 Speaker 1: the Jets and the Dolphins without really sneezing, So it's doable. 2216 01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,080 Speaker 1: And Dan, I want to get you back to the Bills, 2217 01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,320 Speaker 1: coming to your hometown, coming to Rochester with a couple 2218 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:27,360 Speaker 1: of questions here. One of them is when the Bills 2219 01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,840 Speaker 1: parted ways with Russ Brandon back on the first of May. 2220 01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of speculation that that could be maybe 2221 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,640 Speaker 1: even sooner rather than later, the end of the relationship 2222 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:39,240 Speaker 1: with Fisher. Russ had strong association with Saint John Fisher College. 2223 01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,080 Speaker 1: Did you buy into that and what did you think? 2224 01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:42,439 Speaker 1: What do you think of that narrative? What do you 2225 01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,720 Speaker 1: think of that discussion that took place back on the 2226 01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:48,080 Speaker 1: first week in May. I think with any major change 2227 01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:52,040 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, management hierarchy, whether it being 2228 01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, coach and the general manager last year or 2229 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,519 Speaker 1: the team president this year. You know, there's concern about 2230 01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:00,400 Speaker 1: major changes being taken with how the team operates business wise. 2231 01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,919 Speaker 1: To me, though, you know, the Bills had their contract 2232 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,400 Speaker 1: with Fisher and last year. If they wanted to make 2233 01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:08,680 Speaker 1: a clean and easy break from Fisher, they could have 2234 01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:10,919 Speaker 1: just done it last year and not renewed the contract, 2235 01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,519 Speaker 1: you know, so why why re up for five more 2236 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,840 Speaker 1: years if that's not what you want to do. Especially 2237 01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:17,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't like they brought in a coach or a 2238 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,040 Speaker 1: GM after they signed that contract, Brandon being in Sehn mcderham, 2239 01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,760 Speaker 1: we're here for that. If they wanted to weigh in 2240 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,640 Speaker 1: and not be there, they could have done it. And 2241 01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:26,320 Speaker 1: you would have thought with the amount of capitol that 2242 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,519 Speaker 1: they had even before they made the playoffs last year, 2243 01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,000 Speaker 1: that that would have been the case. You know. The 2244 01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,800 Speaker 1: trend league wide obviously to pull back from having camp 2245 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:36,639 Speaker 1: at a remote site. So that's I think a part 2246 01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,320 Speaker 1: of the reason for the speculation, and it's very reasonable. 2247 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,960 Speaker 1: But you look at what Sean mcderham has done every 2248 01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,760 Speaker 1: year that he went to a camp with either the 2249 01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,880 Speaker 1: Eagles or the Panthers. They did what the Bills have 2250 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,760 Speaker 1: done for the last nineteen years, which is to go 2251 01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,479 Speaker 1: about an hour or so away to a college campus 2252 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,680 Speaker 1: and spend the first three weeks or so there. And 2253 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,160 Speaker 1: we all know how college football coaches are. You do 2254 01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,519 Speaker 1: something fifteen years, are gonna do it for heard, you know, 2255 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,320 Speaker 1: no matter what. So I just see this is the way. 2256 01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,240 Speaker 1: This is Sean mcdermot's DNA. You know that the Bills 2257 01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:07,880 Speaker 1: had a chance to make a change this side and 2258 01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,240 Speaker 1: not to I think going forward, you know, Camp's gonna 2259 01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:12,080 Speaker 1: be at Fisher for at least the you know, the 2260 01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,479 Speaker 1: duration of the contract and or Sean mcdermot's tenure in bubble. Yeah, 2261 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,160 Speaker 1: who knows what will be the NFL will look like 2262 01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,080 Speaker 1: in four or five years. Last think that nineteenth season 2263 01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,760 Speaker 1: at Saint John Fisher College. You've been there in nineteen years, 2264 01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:26,280 Speaker 1: covering the team and working for ROC. I wonder what 2265 01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:29,360 Speaker 1: have what has having the Bills there meant to Saint 2266 01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,599 Speaker 1: John Fisher College and to the city of Rochester. Certainly 2267 01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,519 Speaker 1: the novelty is gone, but still that the town and 2268 01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:37,599 Speaker 1: the college must feel like they get a lot out 2269 01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:40,040 Speaker 1: of this relationship. Well, I mean, just you know, from 2270 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,400 Speaker 1: a practical point of view, the facilities of Saint John 2271 01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,160 Speaker 1: Fisher are light years better than they were twenty years ago. 2272 01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you you know, Saint John Fisher is a 2273 01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:52,160 Speaker 1: premier Division three institute when it comes to sports and facilities, 2274 01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, certainly in the Northeast. And I heard it 2275 01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,320 Speaker 1: stat you know, this isn't even going back for five years. 2276 01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:59,280 Speaker 1: I think the amount of people who knew what Fisher 2277 01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:01,920 Speaker 1: was in Buffalo and maybe in Western York in general 2278 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight was like five percent and then 2279 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,280 Speaker 1: by twenty fifteen it was ninety five percent. So you know, 2280 01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,240 Speaker 1: obviously the Bills being at Fisher has been great for 2281 01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,479 Speaker 1: the institution, for the town. You know, I think for Rochester, 2282 01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,040 Speaker 1: we get into the big sports events. This this is 2283 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:18,240 Speaker 1: what we live for. We have a whole bunch of 2284 01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,760 Speaker 1: minor league team here and we love them, but being 2285 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,360 Speaker 1: in the big event is what gets this town riled up. 2286 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,880 Speaker 1: And for three to four weeks every year, you know, 2287 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,519 Speaker 1: we are the center of Bill's Nation, for lack of 2288 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,720 Speaker 1: a better term. You know, we are where all the 2289 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,760 Speaker 1: Bills events are happening, and you know, it gives this 2290 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,240 Speaker 1: town a feeling of yeah, we don't have our own team, 2291 01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,799 Speaker 1: but we are still an integral part of the biggest 2292 01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,200 Speaker 1: sport in America, and you can't help the feel good 2293 01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,200 Speaker 1: about that. And in a town like Rochester, which is 2294 01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, medium size, you know, we we get a 2295 01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,640 Speaker 1: little taste of PGA golfer, of championship golf every few years. 2296 01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:51,160 Speaker 1: This is our thing for a few weeks and it 2297 01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,720 Speaker 1: feels quick. It does. I can't wait, Dan, thanks for this. 2298 01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,479 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down there. Thank you for joining 2299 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,400 Speaker 1: us today. My pleasure. Guys. Thanks having me on Dad Brown, 2300 01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:02,240 Speaker 1: sports director w ROC TV in Rochester nineteen years there, 2301 01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,920 Speaker 1: nineteenth year for the Bills to be at the training 2302 01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,519 Speaker 1: camp in Rochester, and we thank that for joining us 2303 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,800 Speaker 1: on the subway fresh Take Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh. I 2304 01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,200 Speaker 1: do think, yes, Chris, the novelty of the Bills being 2305 01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,439 Speaker 1: on the road in Rochester for three plus weeks every year, 2306 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,960 Speaker 1: the novelty has gone. But I do think there's a 2307 01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,200 Speaker 1: lot of benefit for the town of Rochester, right, is 2308 01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:25,559 Speaker 1: that pointed out? I mean there are at the end 2309 01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,840 Speaker 1: of camp there will have been thousands of visitors to 2310 01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,760 Speaker 1: Rochester who would otherwise have no reason to be there. 2311 01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:35,120 Speaker 1: That's money, that's an economic impact. There's also media attention, 2312 01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,519 Speaker 1: you know, just talking to Jason lock ONFA Peter King, 2313 01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,479 Speaker 1: some of the biggest names in sports broadcasting will be there. 2314 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,360 Speaker 1: I think the next couple of weeks. I think that's 2315 01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:47,040 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean when you see ESPN set lined 2316 01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,640 Speaker 1: up on the corner of a practice field in the 2317 01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:53,360 Speaker 1: middle of the Saint John Fisher campus, and even people 2318 01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:58,320 Speaker 1: at home in Rochester they're watching a Rochester area college 2319 01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:02,519 Speaker 1: on ESPN for the better part of fifteen minutes because 2320 01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,400 Speaker 1: the Bills are a training camp there. I think that's 2321 01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,280 Speaker 1: a cool thing for them. I think they enjoy it. 2322 01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:11,080 Speaker 1: And I mean, I know, I got college buddies that 2323 01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,320 Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork in the summer say hey, 2324 01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a camp. Let me when are you 2325 01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,960 Speaker 1: gonna be up there? You know yep, And they always 2326 01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,680 Speaker 1: make a trip out. So yeah, I think there's a 2327 01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:24,320 Speaker 1: there's a level of pride there. I don't think there's 2328 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,080 Speaker 1: any question about that, and a lot to be proud of. 2329 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,479 Speaker 1: Let me say this too, the I can if I 2330 01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,960 Speaker 1: thought hard, I consider and list at least a dozen 2331 01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:36,200 Speaker 1: national media reporters who unsolicited will tell you how much 2332 01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:38,760 Speaker 1: they love coming to Pittsburgh, New York. Whether it's the 2333 01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:43,519 Speaker 1: cozy little restaurants in Pittsburgh or or maybe there's an 2334 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:47,439 Speaker 1: occasional night spot that gets frequented, but people like coming. 2335 01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,360 Speaker 1: People I think appreciate number one, the climate, Yes, the 2336 01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,240 Speaker 1: climate of upstate New York, Rochester, New York. The fact 2337 01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,160 Speaker 1: that it's not cool and the heat is not usually oppressive, 2338 01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,360 Speaker 1: and the humidity is not ridiculous. They appreciate the friendliness 2339 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:01,519 Speaker 1: of the people. And and Pittsford, New York is a 2340 01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,439 Speaker 1: cool little town. I mean, it's a nice place to 2341 01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,360 Speaker 1: hang out. I think it's kind of an eye opener 2342 01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,400 Speaker 1: for many national media types when they get up here 2343 01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,320 Speaker 1: and you know, they think, I'm going to Buffalo. That's 2344 01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,639 Speaker 1: gonna be bad. There's nothing to do in Buffalo, it's 2345 01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna be ugly. Then you wind up in Pittsford, New York, 2346 01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:17,320 Speaker 1: an hour or two from Buffalo and twenty minutes outside Rochester, 2347 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,680 Speaker 1: and you're like, WHOA, I get it now, I see 2348 01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,880 Speaker 1: what's going on up here. I think it always looks good, 2349 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,080 Speaker 1: better than sweating it out in Houston where it's well 2350 01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:28,040 Speaker 1: five Yeah, exactly. I'll take that. Absolutely, you can have 2351 01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,559 Speaker 1: your training cam in Jacksonville and Davey, Florida, and wherever 2352 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,280 Speaker 1: the heck else you Want's rist time here? Yeah, anyway, 2353 01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,040 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to it. Can you tell we're looking 2354 01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,840 Speaker 1: forward to camp? It starts on Thursday? Or Thanks to 2355 01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,839 Speaker 1: Dad Brown who joined us on the subway Fresh Take Hotline, 2356 01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,559 Speaker 1: Chris and I back with more, including NFL True or False. 2357 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,360 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss that. We are. We started 2358 01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,599 Speaker 1: arguing about true and false at eleven thirty this morning 2359 01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,280 Speaker 1: about one of the issues. We got a lot to 2360 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,479 Speaker 1: talk about. They come on back. It's one Bill's Live 2361 01:53:51,520 --> 01:54:00,439 Speaker 1: from One Bills Driving, This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Brown 2362 01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:03,200 Speaker 1: and on one Buffalo Studio Chris. It's here for Steve Catcher. 2363 01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,800 Speaker 1: He should be shut supposed to be here tomorrow. He 2364 01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,599 Speaker 1: will be just never know. Maybe some event comes up. 2365 01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,559 Speaker 1: Maybe we should get that. Maybe that should be part 2366 01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,240 Speaker 1: of True Falls. Will Steve be here tomorrow? True Falls? 2367 01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,400 Speaker 1: Let's add it as the fourth one. Right now. I 2368 01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,840 Speaker 1: think he'll be here tomorrow. You're not convinced, and I'm 2369 01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,439 Speaker 1: not in a good position because I was off three 2370 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,280 Speaker 1: days last week, so I can't really break them over 2371 01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,599 Speaker 1: the calls too much. I missed three days last week, 2372 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,720 Speaker 1: that's right, So I'm going to back off on this. 2373 01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,840 Speaker 1: We try to schedule our off days on days when 2374 01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're inconsequential. But I'm enjoying this. I'm 2375 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:40,160 Speaker 1: a little bit defensive. You're right. I figured it out today, Brownie. 2376 01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,160 Speaker 1: Coming back to work. This today is the change of 2377 01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:47,560 Speaker 1: my whole routine because over the last month, I've worked 2378 01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:52,000 Speaker 1: a total of six days. Oh it's not enough. I agree, 2379 01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:55,960 Speaker 1: it's not enough, all sanctioned, proved vacation time. I'd like 2380 01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,320 Speaker 1: to add there are no surprises there a couple of 2381 01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,240 Speaker 1: Fridays off which we took Friday's off the show one 2382 01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,520 Speaker 1: week where he didn't do a show. I sound overly 2383 01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:06,640 Speaker 1: defensive here, don't I. I really do happen. He'll make 2384 01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:08,560 Speaker 1: it up for it in August exactly over the next 2385 01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:10,320 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You want to see my schedule in name, 2386 01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:12,880 Speaker 1: and you know we're in the line of work where 2387 01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:15,360 Speaker 1: we work a lot of weekends. It's a seasonal Yeah, yeah, 2388 01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,960 Speaker 1: how about that from now until hopefully a week or 2389 01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:19,840 Speaker 1: two into January, right, you and I want to be 2390 01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:23,080 Speaker 1: working even further than that. Hopefully. Why not, let's go 2391 01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,440 Speaker 1: for it. Our Twitter poll today is I quickly changed 2392 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,040 Speaker 1: subjects you get off of this awkward topic. Our Twitter 2393 01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:31,120 Speaker 1: poll today who will be this year's training camp sleeper 2394 01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:33,520 Speaker 1: and why? Who do you think it'll be? The sleeper? 2395 01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,720 Speaker 1: The guy who comes out of nowhere, make a name 2396 01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,520 Speaker 1: in training camp, make a spot on the roster, and 2397 01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe contribute to be a factor in this year's bill season. 2398 01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,960 Speaker 1: On Twitter, thirty six percent of you say the undrafted 2399 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:49,920 Speaker 1: rookie free agent receiver from Alabama, Robert Foster will be 2400 01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,800 Speaker 1: this year's training camp sleeper. Thirty four percent of you 2401 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,080 Speaker 1: have another receiver in mind. This will be where my 2402 01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,480 Speaker 1: boat would go. Thirty four percent of you say Rod 2403 01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:01,320 Speaker 1: Street or the veteran, fifteen percent say cornerback Philip Gaines, 2404 01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,240 Speaker 1: fifteen percent have somebody else in mind. Vote on Twitter, 2405 01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,440 Speaker 1: let you let us know what you think. We've got 2406 01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:11,480 Speaker 1: a couple of from the tweet sheet. This is from 2407 01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,320 Speaker 1: Josh Allen ho F twenty forty. Okay, that's a good 2408 01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,200 Speaker 1: Twitter handle. He says, I know it's a boring position, 2409 01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:23,360 Speaker 1: but I think Bodin will be a camp sleeper veteran 2410 01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,120 Speaker 1: like that? Can he be a sleeper. I guess, yeah, 2411 01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,560 Speaker 1: I think he's got He's got something to say about 2412 01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:30,520 Speaker 1: who's going to line up and play upfront, whether it's 2413 01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,720 Speaker 1: it's probably center for Bodin right as supposed to guard, 2414 01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:33,960 Speaker 1: I would think, or no, what do you Yeah, I 2415 01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,240 Speaker 1: think he's center or nothing. That's what I think. I 2416 01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,280 Speaker 1: think Roy is center. And if he's not center and 2417 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,800 Speaker 1: he's pushing Duchas I think on the left side, yeah, 2418 01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,720 Speaker 1: at guard, I think that's what I think. That's how 2419 01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,640 Speaker 1: that would shake out. Ed brown our guests just a 2420 01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,960 Speaker 1: minute ago said that would be his one A. As 2421 01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,760 Speaker 1: far as you watch the quarterback battle, then you watch 2422 01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,600 Speaker 1: the offensive blind battle, I guess, and Steve and I 2423 01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:56,440 Speaker 1: have talked about this, Brownie. I'm not too worried about 2424 01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,960 Speaker 1: how they line up. I think with Groy, with Bode 2425 01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,600 Speaker 1: who's played a lot in the league with the ducas, 2426 01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:05,240 Speaker 1: with John Miller, who's played, you know, considerably in his 2427 01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:07,080 Speaker 1: first couple of years in the league, I think they 2428 01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,240 Speaker 1: have answers up there. We just don't know how those 2429 01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:14,240 Speaker 1: answers fit together yet. The uncertainty lies in who. But 2430 01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:19,840 Speaker 1: they're they're bona fide players that you can put in 2431 01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,920 Speaker 1: each of those five starting positions where you're not like, man, 2432 01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,200 Speaker 1: if it's him, I'm worried, do you know what I mean? Like, 2433 01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,879 Speaker 1: as you said, there are answers to put in those positions. 2434 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,520 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of which answers right. The coaching 2435 01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,400 Speaker 1: staff's gonna choose, and it could happen. But and I 2436 01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:36,920 Speaker 1: liked the draft of Wyatt Teller, But where do you 2437 01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,360 Speaker 1: come fifth round for fifth round round? I don't know. 2438 01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:42,680 Speaker 1: Putting him, if you're counting on him to be a 2439 01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,320 Speaker 1: starter early on, I think you may be overreaching a 2440 01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:46,680 Speaker 1: little bit. I think he's going to be on the 2441 01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:49,800 Speaker 1: roster and maybe a contributor at some point. But for 2442 01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:52,440 Speaker 1: him to be a factor I think early on, I 2443 01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if that's could be the 2444 01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,680 Speaker 1: seventh or eighth lineman I could see, Yeah, yeah, I 2445 01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:57,720 Speaker 1: could easily see that. I think he's on the fifty 2446 01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:59,440 Speaker 1: three man roster when all said and done, and he's 2447 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,920 Speaker 1: probably your S three flyman. Maybe he's inactive half the time, 2448 01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:06,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he's active if there's an injury. We'll hear from 2449 01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,040 Speaker 1: you on that. Nick Blake tweets us in as we 2450 01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,160 Speaker 1: asked the question, who'll be this year's training camp sleeper, 2451 01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:14,200 Speaker 1: Nick Blake says football is here again. Josh Allen will 2452 01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,760 Speaker 1: be the biggest sleeper in camp. This young man will 2453 01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,280 Speaker 1: win out the starting job and never look back. Voted 2454 01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,000 Speaker 1: for Streeter. Hope he has a great camp and can 2455 01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,200 Speaker 1: be a part of the team this year. So he 2456 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:26,640 Speaker 1: says Josh Allen will be the sleeper, but he voted 2457 01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:30,960 Speaker 1: for Rod Streeter. Okay, I don't think Josh Allen would 2458 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:34,520 Speaker 1: qualify as a sleeper. Look, if he becomes the starter 2459 01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,680 Speaker 1: going into September ninth against Baltimore, that'll be a story, 2460 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,000 Speaker 1: that'll be the story at camp. But to say that 2461 01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:42,840 Speaker 1: you didn't see it coming totally expected. I don't know. 2462 01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:44,720 Speaker 1: I think you can't call the seventh pick in the 2463 01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,760 Speaker 1: draft a sleeper. I'm sorry, I don't think so. It 2464 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,560 Speaker 1: can't happen. He's a good player. He had good spring 2465 01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:54,200 Speaker 1: at ups and downs, but mostly upside. Think a tweet 2466 01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:56,240 Speaker 1: from Trent and Johnson, who goes with the leader on 2467 01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,800 Speaker 1: the Twitter poll. He says, Robert Foster has what I 2468 01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:00,760 Speaker 1: want all the rookie player years to have this year, 2469 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,040 Speaker 1: and that's a huge chip. I'm a shoulder. I believe 2470 01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:07,840 Speaker 1: he means Foster his hands, size, speed, NFL finacity. I 2471 01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,040 Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what he does to veteran DB's 2472 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,840 Speaker 1: and camping in games. I hope for Robert Foster Chris Well, 2473 01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:16,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's partially a byproduct of the fact 2474 01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,280 Speaker 1: that you don't have any other really proven talents at 2475 01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:22,160 Speaker 1: that position outside of Curly and Benjamin. You know it's 2476 01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:25,280 Speaker 1: it's Zay Jones. Andre Holmes has time in the league, 2477 01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,360 Speaker 1: but he's never really put up a monster season. Rod 2478 01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,040 Speaker 1: Streeter has been plagued by injuries. So with so much 2479 01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:37,800 Speaker 1: unproven talent at the wide receiver position, why can't Foster 2480 01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,280 Speaker 1: slide right in there and enter in a job if 2481 01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:44,240 Speaker 1: he can make plays every day. So I think that's 2482 01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:48,440 Speaker 1: an intriguing thing for fans and something they're going to 2483 01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:51,880 Speaker 1: want to keep an eye on, especially after having a 2484 01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:54,920 Speaker 1: pretty promising spring, even though it's not real football yet. 2485 01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:57,280 Speaker 1: We'll see what do you expect as far as a camp? 2486 01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:59,720 Speaker 1: What kind of a camp would the two draft picks have? 2487 02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Would you think? Are you what are you expecting from 2488 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Ray Ray McLeod and Austin Prole are expecting much? I 2489 02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:11,400 Speaker 1: think Ray Ray McLeod makes this roster if he can 2490 02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:16,440 Speaker 1: prove himself a valuable special team's weapon. I think that's 2491 02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:19,600 Speaker 1: how he ultimately makes this roster. Now that's not to 2492 02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:22,640 Speaker 1: say he's not capable of making plays at the receiver position. 2493 02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:26,280 Speaker 1: I think he is. I think what he is is 2494 02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:33,160 Speaker 1: an interesting, multifaceted weapon that you can pick any place 2495 02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:35,440 Speaker 1: on the field where you want to put him, and 2496 02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:37,360 Speaker 1: he can make a play for you. And I think 2497 02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:40,920 Speaker 1: that's why Clemson had such a struggle with how to 2498 02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:44,800 Speaker 1: make the best use of him at Clemson because he 2499 02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:49,160 Speaker 1: came in as a running back, played some running back 2500 02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:53,760 Speaker 1: slash wide receiver, played some defensive back in his time 2501 02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:57,800 Speaker 1: at Clemson, and was also used on special teams. And 2502 02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he really had a chance to hone 2503 02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:03,720 Speaker 1: in on one particular position and really work on his craft. 2504 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,040 Speaker 1: So what you have is a guy that's capable of 2505 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:10,760 Speaker 1: doing a lot of things, but has never really perfected 2506 02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:16,880 Speaker 1: any one particular thing. And in the NFL, specialization is 2507 02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,840 Speaker 1: what keeps you in the league. Now, some people would 2508 02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:21,920 Speaker 1: argue the more you can do, the longer you stay 2509 02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:24,680 Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, if you're a reserve player, you 2510 02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,800 Speaker 1: want to be an a league player at a specific position. 2511 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,400 Speaker 1: You've got to be doing that every single day. So 2512 02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how the Bills 2513 02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:35,040 Speaker 1: choose to utilize McLeod and where they feel he can 2514 02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:39,240 Speaker 1: help them the soonest my opinion is on special teams. 2515 02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,320 Speaker 1: So we'll see what kind of a crack he gets 2516 02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:45,600 Speaker 1: at return jobs and if he holds any other roles 2517 02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:49,120 Speaker 1: on special teams, because I think that's the fastest way 2518 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:51,640 Speaker 1: for him to earn a roster spot here with the Bills, 2519 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:55,000 Speaker 1: even with the depleted ranks at receiver. In some unknown nature, 2520 02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I believe Ray Ray McLeod and Austin Prole have an 2521 02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:00,920 Speaker 1: uphill battle to do more than practice this year. Role 2522 02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,880 Speaker 1: has the benefit of an NFL dad teach him, teaching 2523 02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,200 Speaker 1: him the art of route running and being consistent with that. 2524 02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:11,040 Speaker 1: But he's undersized and he's going to have to use 2525 02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:15,120 Speaker 1: his elusiveness and route savvy to make plays. And that's 2526 02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:18,320 Speaker 1: not to say it can't happen. I felt he was 2527 02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:22,040 Speaker 1: a guy that was just starting. No pun intended here 2528 02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,640 Speaker 1: to hit his stride as Mini camp ended. As a 2529 02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:27,520 Speaker 1: matter of fact, he made the last play of Mini camp. 2530 02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,720 Speaker 1: There's a seventy yard touchdown on a nice route that 2531 02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,840 Speaker 1: he ran that Alan hit him in stride and he 2532 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,280 Speaker 1: went for a seventy yard touchdown. And I talked to 2533 02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,720 Speaker 1: him right after that practice. I said, is there a 2534 02:02:37,720 --> 02:02:39,760 Speaker 1: part of you that's almost said that Mini camp is ending? 2535 02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:42,240 Speaker 1: Because because he got off to a slow start, he 2536 02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:45,240 Speaker 1: was really having trouble making plays. And then the last 2537 02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:49,120 Speaker 1: two or three days of mini camp he was noticeable. 2538 02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:52,120 Speaker 1: You were noticing him more in the scope of the offense. 2539 02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,640 Speaker 1: He was getting open more, he was getting more targets. 2540 02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,040 Speaker 1: And he almost felt bad for the kid that Mini 2541 02:02:58,040 --> 02:02:59,680 Speaker 1: camp ended because it seemed like he was just kind 2542 02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:01,480 Speaker 1: of hit his stride there and then all of a sudden, 2543 02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:05,160 Speaker 1: Many camp was over. We're seeing six weeks, so hopefully 2544 02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:06,960 Speaker 1: he can pick up where he left off. I think 2545 02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,520 Speaker 1: he's going to have to if he wants to give 2546 02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:10,920 Speaker 1: himself a chance. One more tweet from the tweet sheet 2547 02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,240 Speaker 1: on our question who will be this year's training camp sleeper, 2548 02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Hank Marduca says, probably that Levi Wallace kid. To walk 2549 02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:19,920 Speaker 1: on at Alabama and become a starter in Saban's defense 2550 02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:23,160 Speaker 1: full of four and five star recruits is no easy task. 2551 02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,760 Speaker 1: McDermott knows how to coach up his DBS. So that's 2552 02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,000 Speaker 1: why I go with him. Could happen? Right? Not a 2553 02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,640 Speaker 1: bad pick? Yeah, not a bad pick. I think he's 2554 02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:33,720 Speaker 1: a guy that can stick. He really is. I mean, yes, 2555 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:37,280 Speaker 1: you have Vante Davis, Trudevious White, Arren Johnson, Philip Gaines. 2556 02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,800 Speaker 1: After that, it's wide open. I mean that fifth corner 2557 02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:42,600 Speaker 1: spot is sitting right there for somebody. And why not Wallace? 2558 02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Why not? All right? Wallace the rookie undrafted free agent 2559 02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:50,280 Speaker 1: from Alabama, which takes us right to NFL true or false? 2560 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,520 Speaker 1: We start with an Alabama question and try question NFL 2561 02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:56,760 Speaker 1: true or false? Brought to you by Yancey's Fancy New 2562 02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:01,760 Speaker 1: York's Artisan Cheese. This came about an article. I don't 2563 02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,640 Speaker 1: even know where it was, but I read it. Every 2564 02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:07,240 Speaker 1: NFL team's all time best Oh Alabama alumni. Uh, the 2565 02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:11,680 Speaker 1: contention is Cornelius Bennett. Biscuit is the Bill's best all 2566 02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:17,400 Speaker 1: time Alabama player. Biscuit true false? That played for the Bills. Yes, 2567 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,800 Speaker 1: best Alabama player that played for the Bills. I've been 2568 02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:22,839 Speaker 1: thinking hard, trying to come up with some other candidates, 2569 02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:25,560 Speaker 1: but I got to say that that's true. It's true. 2570 02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Is there anybody else for It's totally true. There's nobody 2571 02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:32,280 Speaker 1: even close. I mean, Marcel Darius is probably your closest, 2572 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,480 Speaker 1: closest guy because he actually went to a Pro Bowl. Yeah, 2573 02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:42,200 Speaker 1: they can't go to five and like, no, there's nobody else. 2574 02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's Bennett and a bunch of guys. 2575 02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:49,360 Speaker 1: We're talking Cyrus Quando, Sead Williams. I'm trying to go 2576 02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:52,680 Speaker 1: back further than that though. Yeah, but I mean, boy, 2577 02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, man, there's nobody. I don't 2578 02:04:56,840 --> 02:05:00,720 Speaker 1: think there is. We're going through your bills best Alabama player. 2579 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I will say this. You know, I looked at the 2580 02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:08,080 Speaker 1: question too fast, and I'm thinking best Alabama player. I 2581 02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:10,800 Speaker 1: totally skipped over the bills and I'm thinking to myself, 2582 02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:13,560 Speaker 1: and this is how crazy the history is at Alabama. 2583 02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:16,840 Speaker 1: Bennett's not even the best pass rusher in Alabama history. 2584 02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:19,800 Speaker 1: It's Derrick Thomas. Okay, yeah, you know what I mean. 2585 02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:23,200 Speaker 1: And I said, I believe that, and then I went 2586 02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:27,000 Speaker 1: and looked up the numbers. Because Bennett had twenty one 2587 02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,200 Speaker 1: and a half sacks in his Alabama career, pretty good. 2588 02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:36,720 Speaker 1: Derek Thomas had twenty seven sacks this senior year, twenty 2589 02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:41,320 Speaker 1: seven sacks his senior year in Alabama and finished with 2590 02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:45,640 Speaker 1: fifty two in his college career. He had sixty eight 2591 02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:49,160 Speaker 1: tackles for lost murph for four hundred and sixty five yards. 2592 02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:53,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine having lost yardage on tackled for loss 2593 02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,160 Speaker 1: for four hundred and sixty four yards? Have you ever 2594 02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:59,400 Speaker 1: seen a number like that? My eyes almost fell out 2595 02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:01,320 Speaker 1: of my head when I looked it up. If there 2596 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,320 Speaker 1: is another Alabama alumnus who's better as a buffalo buill 2597 02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,480 Speaker 1: than biscuit, let let us know. I'll I'd like to 2598 02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:10,760 Speaker 1: listen to that NFL tru or false Part two, a 2599 02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,960 Speaker 1: contention from Yahoo dot com. Parody exists in the NFL, 2600 02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:20,480 Speaker 1: just not in the AFC East, unfortunately. I think that's true, Chris. 2601 02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:23,600 Speaker 1: Every what other division, Well, no one's dominated by the 2602 02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,120 Speaker 1: knowing the Patriots. No one's had the record of domination 2603 02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,480 Speaker 1: like the Patriots have had in the AFC East, and 2604 02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:32,440 Speaker 1: likely this year the Patriots win it again. I don't 2605 02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,920 Speaker 1: think you can say that about any other team in 2606 02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,200 Speaker 1: any other division. Where Old Tata for a while with 2607 02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Manning in a bad division, right, Old Tata for a 2608 02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:44,240 Speaker 1: little while there with Manning. But you know the NFC 2609 02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:48,880 Speaker 1: North is tossed and turned sometimes predicated on Aaron Rodgers' 2610 02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:52,160 Speaker 1: health more than anything else. You can look at the 2611 02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,600 Speaker 1: NFC West, Seattle was on top for a while, but 2612 02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:59,800 Speaker 1: that's changing now. I mean, look at the NFC South. 2613 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:04,280 Speaker 1: You've had different Super Bowl NFC representatives from that division. 2614 02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Saints and they want a Super Bowl. Falcons got there 2615 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,520 Speaker 1: and lost a Super Bowl. Carolina got there and lost 2616 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,600 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. That's all within the last six years. 2617 02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think even in the story that you referenced, 2618 02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,600 Speaker 1: they looked at the teams in the NFC South and 2619 02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:24,400 Speaker 1: compared their records over that time span that they picked, 2620 02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:29,160 Speaker 1: and they're almost identical. It's scary. They're like all between 2621 02:07:29,240 --> 02:07:32,960 Speaker 1: one thirty nine and one thirty overall to one thirty 2622 02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:36,360 Speaker 1: six and one thirty three overall as overall records over 2623 02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:39,440 Speaker 1: that span of time, and the Bucks are kind of 2624 02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:41,040 Speaker 1: pulling up the rear a little bit. But I mean 2625 02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,440 Speaker 1: even they have a couple of division titles in the 2626 02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:45,920 Speaker 1: span they're talking about, So yeah, true, I'm saying true. 2627 02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying true. Finally, NFL true or false. Durrell Revs 2628 02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:52,040 Speaker 1: announced his retirement the other day. Was he the greatest 2629 02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:55,160 Speaker 1: New York Jet. Some contended he is revs. The greatest 2630 02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:58,600 Speaker 1: New York Jet of all time. Instantly false. Joe Namath 2631 02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:00,680 Speaker 1: is the greatest New York Jet of all time. I 2632 02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:03,000 Speaker 1: will say false as well. But I'm not picking Joe. 2633 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,800 Speaker 1: It's just you're not picking Joe. I'm picking the other Joe. 2634 02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Joe Cleco a greater New York Jet than Joe Namath 2635 02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:12,960 Speaker 1: is A is a monumental figure in the history of 2636 02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the game. How do you say Joe Cleco's more? I 2637 02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:19,839 Speaker 1: think Joe Cleco or Joe Namath might be the biggest 2638 02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:23,360 Speaker 1: beneficiary in the history of the NFL, of the New 2639 02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:26,320 Speaker 1: York media. Joe Namath. Yeah, because he made a guarantee 2640 02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,000 Speaker 1: and he fulfilled it. And okay, kudos to you you 2641 02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:32,520 Speaker 1: made it happen. I'll tip my hat every single time. 2642 02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:35,280 Speaker 1: But go look at his playoff record, you know what 2643 02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, come on, Chris says, I met you 2644 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,120 Speaker 1: this morning. When you talk about Joe Namath, maybe you're 2645 02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:43,800 Speaker 1: too young to appreciate this. You don't. It's not about records, 2646 02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:46,640 Speaker 1: it's not about stats, it's not about one lost record. 2647 02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:49,320 Speaker 1: He was a major figure in the history of the game. 2648 02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:52,160 Speaker 1: You cannot write the history of pro football in America 2649 02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:55,240 Speaker 1: without assigning a major role to Joe Namath. I mean 2650 02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:57,760 Speaker 1: he did it. So when we're saying greatest New York Jet, 2651 02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:00,240 Speaker 1: are we saying player or figure? What do we say? 2652 02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:02,440 Speaker 1: The greatest New York Jet of all time is Joe Namath. 2653 02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:04,480 Speaker 1: There's there's can be no debate on this. I know 2654 02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Cleco's numbers retired. Yeah, not in the Hall of Fame 2655 02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:10,920 Speaker 1: thirteen years yea, it should be, though never really mentioned 2656 02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,200 Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer. Is he should be? I think? 2657 02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean probably one of the best defensive tackles of 2658 02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:22,840 Speaker 1: his era and arguably over the last thirty years, one 2659 02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,080 Speaker 1: of the best the top tackles, I mean fifteen defensive 2660 02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:28,160 Speaker 1: tackles over the last thirty years of defensive tackles. Not 2661 02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:30,360 Speaker 1: a glamor position, which is part of the problem. But 2662 02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,440 Speaker 1: the guy was a horse, man was a horse. Joe 2663 02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:36,480 Speaker 1: Nameeth is the greatest New York Jet. He is the 2664 02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:38,720 Speaker 1: face of the New York dram with Joe Namath. Why, 2665 02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't look at the stats. 2666 02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:45,160 Speaker 1: He's not about stats. The history. That's the problem for me. History. 2667 02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:47,600 Speaker 1: Come on, he's a historic figure in the history of 2668 02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:50,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you that he's a historic figure. Greatest New 2669 02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,080 Speaker 1: York Jet NFL True or false. Brought to you by Yantes, 2670 02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:56,400 Speaker 1: Fancy New York's artists and Cheese. We're back with more 2671 02:09:56,680 --> 02:09:59,200 Speaker 1: One Bills Live from One Bill's Driving. This is Buffalo 2672 02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:04,640 Speaker 1: Bills Radio, the New York's homes and businesses with the 2673 02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,440 Speaker 1: finest insecurity and home theater. They preferred Alotment. Home Theater 2674 02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:10,440 Speaker 1: provided the Buffalo Bills A couple of good guests today, 2675 02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,960 Speaker 1: including Jason lack On for from cbspots dot com. You 2676 02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,920 Speaker 1: wrote a piece a couple of days ago about the 2677 02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Bills in the draft the first round of the draft, 2678 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,760 Speaker 1: getting both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmonds. He had a 2679 02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:23,680 Speaker 1: long sit down interview with Brendan Bean about that, and 2680 02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Jason lock On for talk with us about that interview 2681 02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and about what he learned about the Bills first round. 2682 02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:34,400 Speaker 1: They were obviously gathering as much information as they could 2683 02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:37,800 Speaker 1: from from agents for these particular players and with all 2684 02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:40,120 Speaker 1: the other teams they were talking trade with, and they 2685 02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:43,640 Speaker 1: never once even considered for a moment that hey, we 2686 02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:45,720 Speaker 1: might be able to trade down and keep enough pics 2687 02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:47,600 Speaker 1: to then still be able to trade up and get 2688 02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:51,120 Speaker 1: somebody like you know, Tremaine Edmonds and who I and 2689 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:53,640 Speaker 1: they didn't think was probably getting out of the top 2690 02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:56,480 Speaker 1: ten picks no matter what. So for him to still 2691 02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:59,280 Speaker 1: be there and them to be able to execute two trades, 2692 02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:02,040 Speaker 1: one for the quarter back, but not giving up, you know, 2693 02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the whole kitty, so that they still had enough and 2694 02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,720 Speaker 1: reserved to then go and get another player. Jason lockme 2695 02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:12,320 Speaker 1: forward talking about the Bills first round. Also on the 2696 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,240 Speaker 1: show today, Sad Brown, sports director at w ro OCTV 2697 02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:19,000 Speaker 1: in Rochester. We're headed his way for Trenning Camp starting Thursday. 2698 02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:22,720 Speaker 1: Our first shows there. Bad, like our normal partner, Steve Tasker, 2699 02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,160 Speaker 1: Bad Brown thinks the Bills will be a top ten 2700 02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,080 Speaker 1: defense this league, maybe better. It's what he had to say, 2701 02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,760 Speaker 1: to be honest. I think top ten isn't a high 2702 02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:33,840 Speaker 1: enough bar for me. You know, if if these things, 2703 02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,640 Speaker 1: if these pieces work out the way the Bills likely 2704 02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:39,280 Speaker 1: intend them, to top five is not out of the question. 2705 02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you you have a potential pair of bookend 2706 02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,600 Speaker 1: rushers and Hughes and Trent Murphy that can be dangerous. 2707 02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:47,000 Speaker 1: You've got Kyle Williams who start up the middle. I 2708 02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:49,560 Speaker 1: love Edmunds. I like Edmunds more than Rokan Smith coming 2709 02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:51,960 Speaker 1: out of college. So and we already know what the 2710 02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:54,680 Speaker 1: secondary can do. If the pieces work out the way 2711 02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:57,720 Speaker 1: the bills in ten and everybody stays relatively healthy, you know, 2712 02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:01,480 Speaker 1: this defense can be dominated, that can be elite, and 2713 02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:04,160 Speaker 1: in my opinion, it can be good enough to carry 2714 02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, the offense into another playoff Berth. That might 2715 02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:10,760 Speaker 1: be the ceiling end of this season's expectations. But you know, 2716 02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:13,720 Speaker 1: if the pieces work out, this defense can be really 2717 02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:16,680 Speaker 1: really good. Ed Brown from Rochester on that our Twitter 2718 02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:18,720 Speaker 1: pill today, Who will be this year's training camp sleeper 2719 02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:21,480 Speaker 1: and why? On Twitter? Thirty six percent of you said 2720 02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the rookie wide receiver from Alabama Robert Foster. Thirty four 2721 02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:28,400 Speaker 1: percent said wide receiver Rod Streeter, fifteen percent said Philip 2722 02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Gains fifteen percent of somebody else in mind, Brownie, I 2723 02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:33,000 Speaker 1: know you're busy. We appreachase spending a little time with 2724 02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:35,040 Speaker 1: this year today thing wandering Jack with a great tweet 2725 02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:37,840 Speaker 1: here at the end, Curtis Martin the best, Jedier, that's 2726 02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a good one. That's a good one. Thank you, Thank 2727 02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:41,640 Speaker 1: you to Chris Brown. Thank you for tuning in. We'll 2728 02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:45,480 Speaker 1: be back again tomorrow. Production assistant George Blast, Jeff Coltmick, 2729 02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:49,360 Speaker 1: Thomas Homilder, Kelly Route, Jjjarito, Kevin Kargis and James Robel 2730 02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Our producer Jay Harris. See you tomorrow at noon The 2731 02:12:51,800 --> 02:12:54,640 Speaker 1: John Murphy Show or One Doll's Live from One Bill's 2732 02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:56,160 Speaker 1: Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio