Speaker 1: The day is June eighteenth, Thursday, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: This it is Disclosure Day. It was so this, you know,
Speaker 2: it's disclosed. I really liked Disclosure Day, but it was
Speaker 2: such a weird adaptation because they didn't talk about trans
Speaker 2: people at all.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, at the end when the alien comes out
Speaker 1: and then she pulls up her skin and it's candid.
Speaker 2: Oh, so that was supposed to be like that was
Speaker 2: kind of like a metaphor. It went a little over
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 1: She was wearing a lot of makeup. She's got some
Speaker 1: new work done. I don't know if you recognized her.
Speaker 2: I did think her head looked kind of big, but
Speaker 2: the rest of her was skinny. She's clearly on ozembic
Speaker 2: skinny rose.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of Disclosure Day is when they.
Speaker 2: Said this is Disclosure Day.
Speaker 1: It's disclosure Day.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of Disclosure.
Speaker 1: Day never to start.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of Disclosure Day was when the Cardinal
Speaker 2: Cardinal the Casey Musgrave song, when the Cardinal flew into
Speaker 2: the room and Emily Blunt hit the ton k and
Speaker 2: hereditary boom new I'm right right now, I'm I can
Speaker 2: I'm mewing, and I can also read all your thoughts
Speaker 2: and I know that your transsexual. Rose.
Speaker 1: What am I thinking right now?
Speaker 2: You're thinking it's actually kind of easy that you want
Speaker 2: to suck off Josh O'Connor. No, that was so close though,
Speaker 2: I was you were thinking people should see stop that train.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Okay, a
Speaker 1: little preview of what we're about to talk about in
Speaker 1: this episode. But before we do, Yes, we did miss
Speaker 1: our episode drop last week due to unforeseen tragedy circumstances,
Speaker 1: unforeseeable circumstances. Will chat briefly about it because Rose wants to,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll carry on with the rest
Speaker 1: of the episode. Rose, what we were down bad last week?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So my grandma passed away last Monday. She had
Speaker 2: been in the hospital for a little bit and passed
Speaker 2: away very suddenly last Monday. It's weird to talk about
Speaker 2: because you know, when I tell when I have it's
Speaker 2: only been a little over a week, and when I've
Speaker 2: told people, oh, yeah, my grandma just passed away, I
Speaker 2: think people don't really know how serious it is because
Speaker 2: grandmothers are very different figures in a lot of people's lives.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of my friends, grandmothers are these
Speaker 2: sort of like remote figures who are mostly you know,
Speaker 2: features in their childhood and like they have a lot
Speaker 2: of love for them. But my grandma was a really
Speaker 2: huge part of my life for which I will forever
Speaker 2: be grateful. You know, she was really young when I
Speaker 2: was born. She was only forty nine when I was born.
Speaker 2: I had really young, kind of vital grandparents my whole life,
Speaker 2: and it's only in the past couple of years that
Speaker 2: you know, she really kind of felt like the grandmother
Speaker 2: that everyone expects you to be talking about. And I
Speaker 2: am having a really tough time. I'm saying that now
Speaker 2: because Friend already knows it, and I would like our
Speaker 2: listeners to know because I care about all of you,
Speaker 2: and I know some of you care about us, and
Speaker 2: also because I want I want the world to know
Speaker 2: my grandma. She was really She was a really amazing woman.
Speaker 2: I also think anyone who has read my novel Best
Speaker 2: Woman knows how important family is to me. In a
Speaker 2: very complicated way, my grandma was, you know, inspired one
Speaker 2: of the characters in Best Woman. I thanked her in
Speaker 2: the acknowledgments. My grandma just loved me and her children
Speaker 2: and all her grandchildren a lot. She was really amazing.
Speaker 2: When I came out as trans, I actually cut. I
Speaker 2: gave the eulogy at her funeral, and I had a
Speaker 2: little bit of it where I spoke about her reaction
Speaker 2: to my transition, and I didn't end up actually saying
Speaker 2: it at the funeral, just because it felt like my
Speaker 2: place was more to be the representative of all of
Speaker 2: her grandchildren. So I just want to say here. You know,
Speaker 2: when I told my grandma was trans ten over ten
Speaker 2: years ago, she told me she had known since I
Speaker 2: was a child, and even though she you know, in
Speaker 2: the first couple of years, sometimes got a name, names
Speaker 2: or pronouns wrong, like I always knew that it was
Speaker 2: just it was a mistake. It was never ill intentioned,
Speaker 2: and after a certain point it stopped happening. And my
Speaker 2: grandma was incredibly supportive of me. When I did my
Speaker 2: book tour and I did a stop in my hometown
Speaker 2: last year, she was sitting in the front row. She
Speaker 2: was my biggest cheerleader. She was also really glamorous and fabulous.
Speaker 1: I was going to say she was a style.
Speaker 2: She was a style of icon. I think she and
Speaker 2: I look a lot of like my sister, my.
Speaker 1: Sisters, my mom exactly.
Speaker 2: This looks so much like her. I'm even getting my
Speaker 2: hair colored this week to like look a little more
Speaker 2: like her, just because I really want to keep her alive.
Speaker 2: And you know, the thing is, I have been so
Speaker 2: worried about forgetting things about her, and I think what
Speaker 2: I've realized and what I kind of said in my
Speaker 2: eulogy and have really been saying to my siblings and
Speaker 2: cousins and my mom, who is really going through it
Speaker 2: having lost her mom, is that I could never forget
Speaker 2: anything about my grandma because there's all these, you know,
Speaker 2: indelible parts of me that come directly from her. She
Speaker 2: was this unwavering pillar of support in our family. She
Speaker 2: was extremely passionate and creative. She was a really amazing woman.
Speaker 2: Her name was Harriet Weisman. She was my grandma for
Speaker 2: almost thirty eight years, and that was not long enough.
Speaker 2: And I will miss her every day. So thank you
Speaker 2: all for I don't know, listening to that waiting around,
Speaker 2: being around. Thank you for uh dealing with our absence
Speaker 2: last week. And I guess that, I guess dealing with me.
Speaker 2: I might be a little less funny than usual. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of adjusting to this new reality. Grief
Speaker 2: is really weird. Uh, this is the closest death to
Speaker 2: me I've ever experienced in my life. So it's going
Speaker 2: to be an adjustment period. But doing this show, I
Speaker 2: think will hopefully be healing and at least talking about
Speaker 2: stupid stuff like Disclosure Day. We'll keep my mind off
Speaker 2: things for an hour.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just about to say, baby, I organized
Speaker 1: a Disclosure Day viewing with a one Rose DOMI and
Speaker 1: a group of our friends last night to distract you.
Speaker 1: And boy were we distracted, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know, like the original The original plan was
Speaker 2: we were going to see Stop That Train again. And
Speaker 2: then I realized, like, oh, I actually, like I can't
Speaker 2: watch a movie that I've already seen and I need
Speaker 2: to be totally swept up in something and enthralled. And honey,
Speaker 2: I was enthralled during Disclosure Day. It was, let me say,
Speaker 2: a dumb movie. But that is a feature and not
Speaker 2: a bug in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, it was very very stupid if you
Speaker 1: were Okay, So if you're not aware of this film
Speaker 1: Disclosure Today.
Speaker 2: It is a film by Steven Spielberg and it is
Speaker 2: very kind of classic Spielberg. You know, he loves an
Speaker 2: alien movie. He loves like psychic phenomena, and this this
Speaker 2: was really giving. I think out of all of his films,
Speaker 2: the one it felt felt the most similar to was
Speaker 2: Artificial Intelligence. But you know, the logline is that Josh
Speaker 2: O'Connor is playing this whistleblower from a private company that
Speaker 2: has been that has been suppressing information about aliens UH
Speaker 2: and their contact with humanity for decades he uh. Simultaneously,
Speaker 2: Emily Blunt is a news anchor who is having these
Speaker 2: weird experiences and which mostly involve mewing directly into the
Speaker 2: camera and at mewing at various ci animals. And they
Speaker 2: are trying to share the truth about aliens with the world,
Speaker 2: and Evil Colin Firth is trying.
Speaker 1: To stop them, right, Evil Colin Firth actually kind of
Speaker 1: slays Coleman Domingo plays the guy on the phone, the
Speaker 1: guy in the laptop kind of trope. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that is like remotely kind of managing the situation. And
Speaker 1: I will say they found in a secret agent film.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was kind of like involving like an
Speaker 1: FBI agent usually has like a guy on the yes,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that's the laptop, a guy in
Speaker 1: the control center that was Coleman. And I think you're
Speaker 1: making a really good point and something that I actually
Speaker 1: liked about the film, but I think might be what's
Speaker 1: not going over so well with audiences is this is
Speaker 1: not so much like a huge explosiony action movie. It
Speaker 1: kind of plays more like a spy thriller in a way, because, like,
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, the objective of these people is that they
Speaker 1: have to get to a local news station in Kansas
Speaker 1: City so that they can play all of this alien
Speaker 1: footage live on TV, because that's the only way they
Speaker 1: can prove to the world the aliens are real. A
Speaker 1: ridiculous premise for a film in twenty twenty six, as
Speaker 1: if anyone would not see footage of, you know, proving
Speaker 1: literally craving the aliens were real and wouldn't either scroll
Speaker 1: past it think it was a deep fake, or be like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: who got kicked off All Stars last week?
Speaker 2: You know it's that's.
Speaker 1: Literally the tea, That's okay. So, like, if we're starting
Speaker 1: with the thing that to me, the fatal flaw of
Speaker 1: the film is that all all of the suspended tension
Speaker 1: or like the overhalling. The majority of the stakes of
Speaker 1: the film rely on this like truth of the movie
Speaker 1: that I don't think is true to real life, which
Speaker 1: is that if humans were shown substantiated and unequivocal evidence
Speaker 1: that aliens exist, everyone would stop what they're doing and be.
Speaker 2: Moved, and like everyone would like no one would can
Speaker 2: even even position it against some vague geopolitical conflict, Like
Speaker 2: at some point in the movie, they're like talking about
Speaker 2: how their World War three is about to start. People
Speaker 2: are in gas stations, like stocking up on you know,
Speaker 2: bottled water and toilet paper, and so I guess the
Speaker 2: movie is trying to pause it like this information would
Speaker 2: be so literally earth shaking that that wars would end
Speaker 2: because we would realize that the real important thing was aliens.
Speaker 2: And I have to tell you, as someone who has
Speaker 2: been living on Earth these past couple of years, that
Speaker 2: has we have at various points gotten like proof about
Speaker 2: aliens and weird shit, and no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spielberg literally like he loves aliens so much, and
Speaker 1: you can tell he cares a lot about it because
Speaker 1: he's supplanting like his kind of like kind of like
Speaker 1: reverence for extraterrestrial life and the possibility of it, and
Speaker 1: and kind of he's like like laying it over what
Speaker 1: he he's kind of like just placing it onto the
Speaker 1: general population. That's just not how the general population feels.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Disclosure Day is like literally
Speaker 1: working with the Pentagon right now now, but like the
Speaker 1: last I think three to five days, like the Pentagon
Speaker 1: has released more videos and images of like UFO sightings.
Speaker 1: I think it's like the third batch of like documents
Speaker 1: images and no one gives up. No one fucking cares.
Speaker 1: Pop crave is literally tweeted.
Speaker 2: I saw it the other day.
Speaker 1: A photo of Menda's back, Yes, like literally a photo
Speaker 1: Shawn Menda's back will like get more retweets than like
Speaker 1: this UFO, like this literal Pentagon UFO sighting like no
Speaker 1: one fucking I do.
Speaker 2: Think because Steven Spielberg loves to go heavy on a theme,
Speaker 2: and this movie is chalk full of themes. It's almost
Speaker 2: more themes than story. Like none of the characters are
Speaker 2: really real, none of them have like any sense their
Speaker 2: interiority and and let me and they're like their vehicles.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the movie. I give it four stars
Speaker 2: on Letterbox. It was so really enjoy and I was
Speaker 2: I did not think about a single thing while we
Speaker 2: were watching it. But I think what Spielberg is trying
Speaker 2: to say, and like he has the characters more or
Speaker 2: less say it in a couple different ways, is that
Speaker 2: like truth is the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 2: And I actually think this movie is more a commentary
Speaker 2: on like the the age of you know, misinformation and
Speaker 2: fake news than like literally about aliens. And I also
Speaker 2: think it's about empathy. There's there's kind of a really
Speaker 2: poignant moment, like one of the better written things, one
Speaker 2: of the better written kind of monologues in the film,
Speaker 2: where one of the characters talks about how truth is important,
Speaker 2: like that everyone has a right to know everything and
Speaker 2: and oh no, no, sorry, I was talking about empathy.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: What they were saying is that that that the specific
Speaker 2: aliens in this film, which I did like there like
Speaker 2: very classic alien They look like what everything is like
Speaker 2: you know, the the nothing like the first the first
Speaker 2: clip we see of the aliens is from the Roswell Crash.
Speaker 2: So basically where this movie is saying, like in the
Speaker 2: world of this movie, like every alien sighting has been real.
Speaker 2: But and then it talks about Nixon can see aliens,
Speaker 2: which is but the point I liked that they made
Speaker 2: was that the aliens because Emily Blunt is gifted this,
Speaker 2: you know, like telepathic ability, and Coleman Domingo delivers this
Speaker 2: speech which he says, like to the aliens, they see
Speaker 2: us having evolved past empathy when they actually view empathy
Speaker 2: as the the ultimate evolutionary peak. And that I thought
Speaker 2: was very beautiful and is is such is such a
Speaker 2: Spielberg idea, like he's so ooey gooey and cheesy. And
Speaker 2: there were moments in the film that that really like
Speaker 2: sung to me like that, like there was even there's
Speaker 2: a there's a part where Emily Blunt finally links up
Speaker 2: with Coleman Domingo's character, and the way her power works
Speaker 2: is that when she looks at someone, she knows everything
Speaker 2: about them, and he asks her why she won't look
Speaker 2: at him, and she says, because you know everything. And
Speaker 2: when I look at you all know everything and I
Speaker 2: don't want to know everything. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: such good writing. And then there like there are moments
Speaker 2: like that, and then there are really dumb, stupid moments
Speaker 2: and like bad piece of dialogue and all this shit
Speaker 2: about people actually caring about aliens that they like no
Speaker 2: one ever would have cared about. So it's dumb. But
Speaker 2: like I again, I think that's a feature. I think
Speaker 2: that's why I liked it. I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I something that I was thinking about
Speaker 1: when I was watching the film. I just couldn't stop
Speaker 1: thinking about, just like us, what it means to what
Speaker 1: a Spielberg movie is, and and I forgot how it
Speaker 1: feels to watch one. The last Spielberg movie I watch
Speaker 1: was Westside Story, which I actually really loved. But before that,
Speaker 1: it had been like ten years, maybe more, since I'd
Speaker 1: seen a film like probably like Tintin was. What do
Speaker 1: you think is your favorite Spielberg Probably Hook? But I
Speaker 1: really really love Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom.
Speaker 1: I obviously really love Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2: I'm a Minority report girl.
Speaker 1: I love No.
Speaker 2: I've never seen Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I
Speaker 2: would really like to. I know a lot of the
Speaker 2: discussion about this movie is like people being like Steven
Speaker 2: Spielberg has already made a better version of this movie,
Speaker 2: and it is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. So
Speaker 2: I would like to revisit it. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think this film has caused a lot of hand ringing
Speaker 2: online by people who have because I think people are
Speaker 2: seeing that the box office numbers are somewhat disappointing and
Speaker 2: they're like, it's crazy that even Steven Spielberg can open
Speaker 2: a movie and like he's lost the sauce. I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think he's lost the sauce. I actually think this movie,
Speaker 2: had it come out in like ninety four, would be
Speaker 2: a classic. But we this movie has not.
Speaker 1: We're desensitized to the things that Spielberg would like us
Speaker 1: to not be disensitized.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the world has moved on, but he hasn't.
Speaker 2: And this movie does feel very dated.
Speaker 1: It does, but that but here's the okay, so here
Speaker 1: to to my back to the point of like what
Speaker 1: makes us Spielberg film? This is part of like what
Speaker 1: I was thinking about. I kept watching the film and
Speaker 1: having like a kind of immediate or gut reaction to
Speaker 1: certain things and be like, oh, that's so cheesy. Oh
Speaker 1: that's so corny. Oh like we've this is like so uninventive,
Speaker 1: Like we it's like all these different kind of like
Speaker 1: tropes about aliens, images of.
Speaker 2: Tropes about characters like Colemon Domingo is a textbook magical
Speaker 2: Negro character in this film.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, like things like that. It's like very
Speaker 1: like not, it's very just like yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then and then I was kind of like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: that makes you feel a little nostalgic for you know,
Speaker 1: the peak of Spielberg's career. Actually, I mean he doesn't
Speaker 1: really have a peak, but like maybe like no he died,
Speaker 1: I would like when he was making Any seventy and
Speaker 1: the other alien movies, and like, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like he I wouldn't say. I don't think
Speaker 1: peak is the right term. I think it's kind of like, ye.
Speaker 2: The golden age of Spielberg, Yes, when I mean he
Speaker 2: kind of invented the idea of a summer blockbuster. He
Speaker 2: directed Jaws, which kind of was the first summer blockbuster,
Speaker 2: and he has kept creating that. I just think as
Speaker 2: a culture, we've kind of moved beyond those movies.
Speaker 1: And like certain tricks he uses cinematically for suspended attention,
Speaker 1: certain shots that zoom in on people's faces or that
Speaker 1: have a certain kind of genoesequa of like like yeah,
Speaker 1: just like him as a master's suspend attention. They're all
Speaker 1: things that all the their filmmaker's reference now and repeat,
Speaker 1: and so now when he does it, it's like it feels.
Speaker 2: It feels tired dated when he was the one who
Speaker 2: invented it, but it's not.
Speaker 1: He invented it. He invented it, and so like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, there there was something I think it's funny,
Speaker 1: we we. I really was comforted by this film. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna watch it again, no, but
Speaker 1: I was so comforted.
Speaker 2: I was. There were some really thrilling sequences. There's a
Speaker 2: there's a there's a chequence, yeah on with a with
Speaker 2: a train stop that train promo that was really amazing.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I actually think the biggest problem with
Speaker 2: this film is the writing. The film was written by
Speaker 2: David Cope, who looking at his credits, he's written a
Speaker 2: lot of really shitty movies. It's a lot of like
Speaker 2: bad sequels and prequels and like he wrote Jurassic World,
Speaker 2: Rebirth and oh like Secret Window, that like weird depth movie.
Speaker 2: He just like does not have very good credits. So
Speaker 2: I'm not which one was Rebirth. Rebirth was the most
Speaker 2: recent one with Scarlett Johansson and Jonathan Bailey and his
Speaker 2: slutty little glasses.
Speaker 1: Actually, I can't remember if I've seen the Julianne Moore
Speaker 1: Jurassic Parks.
Speaker 2: It is the third one.
Speaker 1: I think I need to see it.
Speaker 2: Well, have you disclosed?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Today it's Disclosure Day, and you know what, one day
Speaker 2: we will get an accurate adaptation of the documentary Disclosure
Speaker 2: about trans People Jen Richards.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, girl in the car Home, Laurel and I
Speaker 1: could not stop saying it. We were like, this is
Speaker 1: Disclosure Day, Like it's so.
Speaker 2: Oh my God. Sitting next to Laurel during that movie
Speaker 2: was such a game from God because she really kept
Speaker 2: me entertained the whole time. It was so weird how
Speaker 2: we were cackling through the whole film and the rest
Speaker 2: of the audience was dead silent. The first time Emily
Speaker 2: Blunt mewed, we were screaming, and the theater was and
Speaker 2: the theater around us was like a ghost town.
Speaker 1: We did have most of the time, uh laughter domino effects.
Speaker 1: We would laugh first and then the rest of the
Speaker 1: theater would laugh because we were laughing as particularly, there
Speaker 1: was one moment I camera what it was. It was
Speaker 1: probably just another crazy shot of Emily Blunt with perfect makeup,
Speaker 1: perfect lash lashes, face in the shape of.
Speaker 2: An incredibly distracting Veneers.
Speaker 1: Mewing the housetown mutes, mewing the house down mutes yes,
Speaker 1: and Laurel just goes like that and then the whole
Speaker 1: theater erups in laughter. It was so it was so
Speaker 1: weird to not be on the same vibe.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I just leaned into it. I
Speaker 2: was the person who led the applause when they said
Speaker 2: in the film, this is disclosed.
Speaker 1: It's disclosure Day.
Speaker 2: I mean that was worth the price of the ticket, honey,
Speaker 2: although I didn't pay for the ticket. Do I owe
Speaker 2: you for the ticket?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I haven't even asked people Venmo yet all anyways, but
Speaker 1: this is disclosure day, and today I'm disclosing to you
Speaker 1: Rose Dom you.
Speaker 2: I'm transjob me too.
Speaker 1: What's the whole time?
Speaker 2: The whole time?
Speaker 1: Okay, So, because we touched on it, I think maybe
Speaker 1: we'll just like quickly talk about Stop that Train. We
Speaker 1: were going to see Stop that Train a second time.
Speaker 1: Now we're like, I'm not supporting that film, but an
Speaker 1: actual to day I still really do want to see
Speaker 1: it a second time.
Speaker 2: And I'm not wanted a second time for like neural reasons.
Speaker 2: It's mostly just because once was enough.
Speaker 1: Well we I The one of the number one reasons
Speaker 1: I wanted to go is because I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to buy tickets to support are the film maker. Yeahaul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to put to queer art.
Speaker 1: But yeah no, I was like I want this. I
Speaker 1: want Stop That Train truly genuinely, actually I want Stop
Speaker 1: That Training to be a box office success. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to buy tickets, but instead we supported,
Speaker 1: you know, unsung independent filmmaker Steven Spielberg, which I'm also
Speaker 1: proud to be a part of that.
Speaker 2: We're basically his patrons.
Speaker 1: Yes, but virgins if you're not aware. Okay, we talked
Speaker 1: about it last time. There was an AI controversy surrounding
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the premiere of Stop That Train.
Speaker 1: Adam Shankman. Basically, people saw the movie online They're like,
Speaker 1: that looks like really shitty AI. It's really just city,
Speaker 1: And then Rose and I were kind of talking about it.
Speaker 1: We were like, no, it's like maybe just really shitty CG.
Speaker 1: And like people are assuming that it's AI because it
Speaker 1: seems like something that the movie would do. It seems
Speaker 1: like something Rude Paul would do. It seems like the
Speaker 1: kind of movie that would use AI. And Adam Shankman
Speaker 1: made a statement at that time saying there is a
Speaker 1: sum total of zero shots zero conceived by AI in
Speaker 1: the movie. And Rose did clock that the word conceived
Speaker 1: is maybe a little ishy. What does that mean? Sounds
Speaker 1: like a little you know, you're talking around something. And
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, no, what I mean, Maybe
Speaker 1: he's on the right side of her story. Lo and
Speaker 1: behold Extra Magazine with the scoop in an interview with
Speaker 1: Extra Magazine. Not that Extra, but there's like a queer
Speaker 1: magazine called Extra.
Speaker 2: They interviewed me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they interviewed you. They also interviewed Adam Shankman recently
Speaker 1: and asked him about the AI again and he.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, no, basic thing is no, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you saw this. That interview was done before he
Speaker 2: made the no AI statement. No, Oh, I didn't read.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So they switched like as Nicki Minaj said, so in.
Speaker 1: The in diametric opposition to what he had previous to
Speaker 1: what he had said in the public statement, he says
Speaker 1: to Extra Magazine, some of the windows were AI. There
Speaker 1: was only one AI shot or two AI shots of
Speaker 1: the train. The rest are CG. Most of the CG
Speaker 1: is the train, then out the windows is mostly AI,
Speaker 1: but the Florida station, that's all that CG and different
Speaker 1: license imagery. Okay, girl, if you used AI, why would
Speaker 1: anyone ever do? Two windows right? And the knives AI?
Speaker 2: You're like, we used this, you know, lazy cost cutting measure,
Speaker 2: but we only used it twice.
Speaker 1: We only used it twice. Girl, There's no way you
Speaker 1: only used it twice.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even on set. They just a eyed her in
Speaker 2: use a you know, like every season of that Grace.
Speaker 1: Well now home girl, husband caught lying and so there's
Speaker 1: no world where and we'll believe anything he says.
Speaker 2: Ever again, Ever, unless he says they're making a sequel
Speaker 2: to Hairspray, I would believe that.
Speaker 1: And mind you. In his original in the public in
Speaker 1: the public stamen that first reached the public, he was like,
Speaker 1: there were hundreds of computer generated to get CG artists
Speaker 1: working on this film, and I was like, look, I
Speaker 1: believe that it's shitty CGI, Like I believe that there
Speaker 1: is shitty CGI in this movie, but like, I just
Speaker 1: don't under I'm like, girl, clearly you used AI probably
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: But I think and this could be wrong, but from
Speaker 2: what I read when you look at the actual credits
Speaker 2: of the film, there were only I think one or
Speaker 2: two VFX artists listed on the film, which, if and
Speaker 2: there were a lot more people with sort of like
Speaker 2: ill defined visual jobs, that seems like maybe they were
Speaker 2: just a I prompters literally, oh girl.
Speaker 1: Allegedly like allegedly, allegedly allegilated allegations.
Speaker 2: It's very disappointing just because you're right, I do think
Speaker 2: this is this was a film peop we especially were
Speaker 2: very excited to rally behind, and I uh, it's it's
Speaker 2: the lying and the the the mixed messages. I think
Speaker 2: if he had said something along the lines of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we use some AI, I don't feel great about it.
Speaker 2: But this was a really low budget film and it
Speaker 2: was the only way we could get it made, I
Speaker 2: maybe would have been a little more forgiving. But the
Speaker 2: lying in the.
Speaker 1: Lying for me says anyways, tell it to me straight,
Speaker 1: tell it to me.
Speaker 2: Get that train. Was there a train? Was there even
Speaker 2: a train. Was there even a train to stop? So
Speaker 2: you know, make your own decision about you know, whether
Speaker 2: or not you're going to see stop that train. I
Speaker 2: still think it's a good time.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good I think there's I think
Speaker 1: we should still see it.
Speaker 2: I wanted to give some recommendations to both of you
Speaker 2: and the listeners. Yes, well, first I want to assign
Speaker 2: some homework. I'm really loving the new Olivia Rodrigo album.
Speaker 2: You said you seem pretty sad for a girl so
Speaker 2: in love. I Fran has not listened to it in
Speaker 2: full yet, so we're going to discuss next week. Everyone
Speaker 2: listen at your leisure and we will talk about it.
Speaker 2: But we both watched some new to us films this week.
Speaker 2: The one I want to talk about. So when I
Speaker 2: was home, we were with my mom and my sisters.
Speaker 2: The night after my grandma's funeral, we watched Moonstruck, which
Speaker 2: was her favorite movie. Y'all know that we love Moonstruck
Speaker 2: on this podcast. And then and the next night we
Speaker 2: watch Terms of Endearment, which I've never seen. It's a
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three film starring Sherley McClain and Deborah Winger.
Speaker 2: It's sort of in a way kind of like proto
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. It's about this mother and daughter who are
Speaker 2: like way too close and like all up in each
Speaker 2: other's lives and just kind of about their different romances
Speaker 2: and lives and heartbreak and cancer. It's very much a
Speaker 2: tear jerker, but it is an incredible film, super performances
Speaker 2: from Sherley McLain, who won an Oscar for it. Jack
Speaker 2: Nicholson won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. It won
Speaker 2: Best Picture. It's really it is like sometimes kind of
Speaker 2: cheesy in that way that tearjerkers often are, but the
Speaker 2: script is so good and like that's kind of where
Speaker 2: I see the Gilmore Girl like more than anything. It's like, yes,
Speaker 2: there's like the mother and daughter who were too close
Speaker 2: of it all. But it has this really kind of
Speaker 2: like snappy, almost overwritten, like very like naturalistic but heightened dialogue.
Speaker 2: You know, like the characters talk like they're in real life,
Speaker 2: but they also talk in this like very heightened movie way.
Speaker 2: And it's a really it's a really good watch. If
Speaker 2: you have seen it, chime in in the comments let
Speaker 2: us know what you think about it. Fran I think
Speaker 2: you will love it. Deborah Winger is like now one
Speaker 2: of my summer style icons after watching this film. It
Speaker 2: also features a young hot Jeff Daniels who is extremely say.
Speaker 1: Love young hot Jeff Daniels. I it looks like it
Speaker 1: has the makeup of everything I would want in a movie,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm I'm down to watch it. It seems like, uh,
Speaker 1: is it sad?
Speaker 2: It's extremely sad, but it's also very funny and it's
Speaker 2: giving kind of I've actually never seen this, but like
Speaker 2: it's giving still Magnolia's you know, like warm, funny, female
Speaker 2: centric movie that ends in a very sad way, but
Speaker 2: like it's still really touching and moving and like you
Speaker 2: feel good after after watching it, even though it's very sad.
Speaker 1: I am adding it to my list versions added to
Speaker 1: your list. I the as Roh said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: we both return. We we we have movies that are
Speaker 1: new to us, meaning they're nostalgic. You should add them
Speaker 1: to your qu if you haven't watched them. I for
Speaker 1: the first time watch Uptown Girls Believe, which.
Speaker 2: Is Uptown Girls.
Speaker 1: My god, what I've never seen Uptown Girls this, This
Speaker 1: is why we started this, or least well, I know
Speaker 1: one of the greatest films. I've ever seen sheets of
Speaker 1: a jet shot.
Speaker 2: Ah, that is a fucking pop.
Speaker 1: It's a banger. It should be on Spotify. Maybe I
Speaker 1: could get Spotify. I love this film. If you are
Speaker 1: not familiar with the premise of the film Uptown Girls.
Speaker 2: I would I would guarantee that ninety nine point nine
Speaker 2: percent of our audience I've seen Uptown Girls. Look.
Speaker 1: Maybe the look this is like a virgin Maybe virgins
Speaker 1: listen to this show. Okay, I mean I know virgins
Speaker 1: listen to the show in general. But yeah. The story
Speaker 1: follows Molly Gunn. She is a NEPO baby. Essentially, she
Speaker 1: is the daughter of a famous rock musician who's passed away.
Speaker 1: She's living off the royalties of like her rock dynasty family.
Speaker 1: She is a quintessential New York girl slash socialite. Maybe
Speaker 1: the film opens with her birthday. She's going to a birthday,
Speaker 1: her own birthday party at a club. She wears a
Speaker 1: fucking beautiful and iconic bloomern dress.
Speaker 2: Costumes such good early aughts vibes.
Speaker 1: I don't know, actually, if I've had a reaction to
Speaker 1: a dress like that in a long time, A such
Speaker 1: a visceral envy and be like I want that dress
Speaker 1: more than anything in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I felt that way about the sort of
Speaker 2: pink like White House Press secretary dress Emily Blunt Warren
Speaker 2: disclosure to day.
Speaker 1: That also looks so good. But wait, she does she
Speaker 1: hear that?
Speaker 2: But I didn't. I did not think it was cute.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought I thought it looked good. I was like,
Speaker 1: literally thought that you looked.
Speaker 2: At she looked like she looked like she was a
Speaker 2: real tur on selling sunset.
Speaker 1: She did actually look like that.
Speaker 2: Rose.
Speaker 1: Did you know that this the dress, the Bloomerine dress
Speaker 1: that Brittany Murphy wore is now owned by Ivy Getty
Speaker 1: Because I love I was like, where is that dress?
Speaker 2: Now? That makes sense?
Speaker 1: That tracks I'm pissed.
Speaker 2: That dress to me is up there with like the
Speaker 2: green dress that Jennifer Gardner wears and thteen going on thirty,
Speaker 2: Like it's an iconic early aughts pop culture movie dress.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say the green Versaci dress,
Speaker 2: that j Loog dress. We have to put it to rest.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is the most famous dress. Well it's tough.
Speaker 2: I mean, the most famous dress is the dress? Is
Speaker 2: the dress? Dress is the dress?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And also kind of the dress from Mother Mary.
Speaker 1: Literally, well, okay, so there's this socialite lo and behold,
Speaker 1: it's discovered that the bookkeeper for her parents estate essentially
Speaker 1: is a scammer, disappears, and all of a sudden she
Speaker 1: is penniless. She's being evicted from her luxury town you know,
Speaker 1: her luxury apartment in uptown Manhattan, and to make ends meet,
Speaker 1: she takes a job as a nanny for a braddy
Speaker 1: little eight year old or nine year old girl. I
Speaker 1: think nine.
Speaker 2: Made impeccably by a young Fanning.
Speaker 1: And this Dakota Fanning's character is like a type a
Speaker 1: full grown adult in an eight year old's body, kind
Speaker 1: of like I've had it kind of energy. And they
Speaker 1: are beautiful foils for each other because Brittany Murphy is
Speaker 1: the kind of manic pixie, the quintessential manut pixie dream
Speaker 1: girl in almost every film she's ever been in, but
Speaker 1: especially in this film.
Speaker 2: I would call her a manic pixire dream girl. And
Speaker 2: girl interrupted, Oh yeah, sure, okay, I mean she was
Speaker 2: definitely manic.
Speaker 1: She was definitely manic, and like she's you know, she's chaotic,
Speaker 1: she's erratic, she's unpredictable and Dakota Fanning is like likes order,
Speaker 1: likes cleanliness, predictability, is a germophobe, all these different things.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I had only put this film.
Speaker 1: I thought this film was kind of a was kind
Speaker 1: of a in the rom com category, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a little bit, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a story about two women. It's definitely in the
Speaker 1: thirteen going on thirty category, maybe like Princess Bride kind
Speaker 1: of category in that it's like, actually more because the
Speaker 1: actresses are so compelling, it is more about them than
Speaker 1: it is about the romance. It's more about the singular
Speaker 1: person and their journey than it is about the romance.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the romance there is a romantic subplot in the film,
Speaker 2: but the real romance is between Brittany Murphy and Dakota Fanning.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a pedophile way. I
Speaker 2: mean that in a you know, they like they need
Speaker 2: each other and they form this you know, like sisterly
Speaker 2: friend relationship that is their bond is so real, the realness.
Speaker 1: The real. But yeah, I think part of what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is like with this film, thirteen going on thirty
Speaker 1: or Princess Bride or like films like it. It's like,
Speaker 1: when we talk about these films, we don't say, oh,
Speaker 1: a beautiful rom com. Oh the thing I remember about
Speaker 1: the film is the romance. No, that's not what you remember.
Speaker 1: You remember the story of a girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's it would be called like you know,
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, we called we would have
Speaker 2: called if this was a if Uptown Girls was a book,
Speaker 2: we would have called it chick lit. You know, we
Speaker 2: would have said, it's this category the story of a girl.
Speaker 2: These are women's stories.
Speaker 1: These are women's stories, and you know stories are so
Speaker 1: are soul loved Uptown Girls. Okay, I'm wondering if there
Speaker 1: is anything else to discuss.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need to talk about the worst travel experience
Speaker 2: of my life. Oh, Delta, when I find you, so,
Speaker 2: Delta work, what you got to do with that? So,
Speaker 2: as we know, I had last week was Roses very bad,
Speaker 2: no good week, and I was already dreading, you know,
Speaker 2: leaving Florida, not being with my family anymore. And it
Speaker 2: was made even worse by the fact that I had
Speaker 2: to travel almost a full twenty four hours to get
Speaker 2: home because Delta was fucking playing in my face. My
Speaker 2: flight Sunday night was delayed, diverted to Baltimore. I was
Speaker 2: supposed to arrive home in New York at ten thirty
Speaker 2: Sunday night, did not arrive home until the next night.
Speaker 2: I had to check into an airport Holiday and Express
Speaker 2: in Baltimore at four am Monday morning. Then that day
Speaker 2: went back to the airport only to sit on the
Speaker 2: runway for five hours because two planes had been diverted
Speaker 2: and were loading next at gates next to each other
Speaker 2: in the airport, and they didn't tell any of us
Speaker 2: which plane to get on. We just had to figure
Speaker 2: it out for ourselves. That it was. That is like,
Speaker 2: you know, I've had I've had bad travel experiences, but
Speaker 2: this was legitimately the worst travel experience of my life.
Speaker 2: I have never been more tired and exhausted. I felt
Speaker 2: so bad for the flight attendants who were not even
Speaker 2: supposed to end up in New York that night. They
Speaker 2: were supposed to go back from Florida. Many of them
Speaker 2: it was their off day and they had to get
Speaker 2: back on the plane with having no luggage. One of
Speaker 2: the flight attendants told me she hadn't even brushed her teeth.
Speaker 2: I offered her my toothbrush. She was like, oh, that's gross.
Speaker 2: I did make a friend with one of the girls
Speaker 2: in my flight, and she gave me a xanax, So
Speaker 2: shout out to that girl. Her name was Lily. We
Speaker 2: bonded over having our names, although there was a weird
Speaker 2: moment where we were like telling each other like about ourselves.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, where do you live? She was
Speaker 2: telling me she lived at Town. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm in Brooklyn. I'm in Clinton Hill, sort of your bedstide.
Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, that's not bad. And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I wasn't presenting it as something bad,
Speaker 2: like I like living in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Meaning like, oh, you live in Brooklyn, you must be compromising.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. She's like, oh, like that's all that far
Speaker 2: out in Brooklyn. You know that's not bad.
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, being far out is part of
Speaker 1: the heel.
Speaker 2: But you know, she did give me a xanax when
Speaker 2: I was milliseconds away from screaming on the plane, and
Speaker 2: I did get a little Kareny at certain points, and
Speaker 2: believe me, I will be channeling my inner Karen when
Speaker 2: I need to get a refund.
Speaker 1: Baby, Oh, you I mean you'll be getting a refund.
Speaker 1: You also need vouchers, baby, Oh, I want vouchress for days.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm going back to Florida next month, and
Speaker 1: I didn't book without with Delta because I just don't
Speaker 1: trust them right now, Right now, we don't take because hey,
Speaker 1: I have miles I want to use. But I'm I
Speaker 1: also have points with jet Blue, so I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fly jet Blue for the summer and then we'll
Speaker 1: see if Delta can win me back. But your days
Speaker 1: are fucking numbered. I don't even I don't just want
Speaker 1: my money back. I don't just want vouchers. I want
Speaker 1: to own the company. I want to be SHEEO of Delta.
Speaker 1: I I'm pretty sure this was Adelta Fly. I don't
Speaker 1: really remember where I was going, but I had a
Speaker 1: similar travel experience where I spent a total of over
Speaker 1: six hours on the tarmac and that was in a
Speaker 1: combination of three separate planes. I had to d plane
Speaker 1: two planes sitting on the tarmac. Yes, first first plane
Speaker 1: I think over two hours, second plane like easily hour
Speaker 1: and a half. Third plane like another two or three hours.
Speaker 1: It was cuckoo bananas, like, and I pretty sure I
Speaker 1: got a like less than eight hundred dollar voucher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you you got to push. I think eight hundred
Speaker 1: is the mark you should be trying to hit. I
Speaker 1: think eight hundred is a perfectly reasonable amount of money
Speaker 1: to get from the airline. I think that that's something
Speaker 1: they'll settle for. They're probably they probably have a lot
Speaker 1: of increase on that specific flight. I think that's something
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I've already received an email that was just like we're sorry, Yes,
Speaker 2: we're sorry. That's it, just we're sorry.
Speaker 1: Wait, it doesn't say we're sorry. Here's like a free
Speaker 1: cocktail the next time you ride dollars.
Speaker 2: No, all they gave us was a hotel voucher and
Speaker 2: a twenty four dollars voucher for food. That's really and
Speaker 2: and like again like, I do not blame the crew
Speaker 2: on our flight. I will say those round crew at
Speaker 2: BWI they are on my list because I understand that
Speaker 2: the situation was out of their hands and not their fault.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the way that they were talking
Speaker 2: to us at two am as we had been deplaned,
Speaker 2: like we were crazy for being frustrated by it. It
Speaker 2: was just such a fucking nightmare. But it's over. It's over,
Speaker 2: as I think is this episode, and before we sign off,
Speaker 2: I just want to say this. In the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, as I realized my grandma was getting older
Speaker 2: and I was going to have less time with her,
Speaker 2: I was very intentional about visiting home more often, spending
Speaker 2: as much time with her as I could. I went
Speaker 2: there for her birthday for the past couple of years,
Speaker 2: and so I just want to say to anyone listening,
Speaker 2: hold the people in your lives close to you, if
Speaker 2: you can be intentional, spend that time with them. Don't
Speaker 2: have any regrets. I really don't. Even though I'm sad,
Speaker 2: I don't have any regrets. And I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 2: And I'm grateful for all of you. I'm fran I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful for you. I love you so much. I
Speaker 2: could not have survived this week without you. Yeah, You're
Speaker 2: gonna make me cry to you.
Speaker 1: I love you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you. I love you bad. I love you down.
Speaker 1: I love you down.
Speaker 2: Diva.
Speaker 1: Uh, I would die for you. I would die for you. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I will see you maybe Thursday whole and this I
Speaker 1: mean today is this, and this is disclosure.
Speaker 2: Is Disclosure Day.