WEBVTT - Chino Moreno 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:23.356 Pushkin. Chino Morino is the lead singer of Deftones, the 0:00:23.356 --> 0:00:27.316 Sacramento band experiencing resurgence as a new generation discovers their 0:00:27.396 --> 0:00:31.036 nineties hits on social media. This year, Deftones have been 0:00:31.076 --> 0:00:33.676 selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on their 0:00:33.756 --> 0:00:38.236 latest album, Private Music. During the recording sessions, guitarist Stephen 0:00:38.276 --> 0:00:40.716 Carpenter's health took a turn when he was diagnosed with 0:00:40.756 --> 0:00:43.636 type two diabetes. Chino stepped in to handle more of 0:00:43.636 --> 0:00:47.116 the guitar parts, approaching the album with newfound clarity after 0:00:47.156 --> 0:00:50.676 getting sober. On today's episode, Lea Rose talks with Chino 0:00:50.716 --> 0:00:53.116 about the band's early days living with their late bassist 0:00:53.276 --> 0:00:56.476 Chee Chang. He reflects on the story of their Around 0:00:56.476 --> 0:00:59.356 the Fur album cover, and shares his post show ritual, 0:00:59.396 --> 0:01:02.236 which often includes winding down with rom coms and his 0:01:02.276 --> 0:01:09.756 tour bus bunk. This is broken record, real musicians conversation. 0:01:14.556 --> 0:01:16.556 Here's Leo Rose with Gino Moreno. 0:01:17.796 --> 0:01:20.476 I was just listening to Private Music, and I was curious, 0:01:20.516 --> 0:01:22.796 Like the album starts so. 0:01:22.836 --> 0:01:23.956 Hard, so fast. 0:01:24.036 --> 0:01:27.196 It's got like that sledgy riff right off the top, 0:01:27.396 --> 0:01:31.796 Like how important is that first Like three seconds when 0:01:31.836 --> 0:01:33.316 you're sequencing the album. 0:01:33.316 --> 0:01:34.356 It's pretty important. 0:01:34.436 --> 0:01:37.756 I mean when we wrote that song, I kind of 0:01:37.836 --> 0:01:39.516 knew right away that that wanted that to be the 0:01:39.556 --> 0:01:42.036 first song on the record because I think the like 0:01:42.076 --> 0:01:44.236 you said, it's kind of this bombastic sort of sledge 0:01:44.396 --> 0:01:47.876 riff that yeah, and I loved Abes drumming on the song. 0:01:47.916 --> 0:01:49.316 I think it's really created what he does in the 0:01:49.356 --> 0:01:53.396 verses and the staccato intro as well. It's just like 0:01:53.636 --> 0:01:56.116 it kind of has a lot of elements that we're 0:01:56.316 --> 0:01:59.716 sort of known for, so it's familiar, I think in 0:01:59.796 --> 0:02:02.996 the beginning for the first thing to introduce the record, 0:02:03.596 --> 0:02:06.596 but I also think it's powerful and then the just 0:02:06.836 --> 0:02:08.956 you know, the song itself sort of has this like 0:02:09.836 --> 0:02:12.996 just great introductory phil I think too, like what's to come. 0:02:13.356 --> 0:02:13.876 Yeah. 0:02:13.956 --> 0:02:16.876 You know what's crazy is that we we wrote the 0:02:16.956 --> 0:02:21.236 record in different sessions, like just getting together playing one 0:02:21.276 --> 0:02:23.716 we did in the desert, which was we probably wrote 0:02:23.716 --> 0:02:26.516 like five or six songs there, went to Shangri La, 0:02:26.716 --> 0:02:29.796 did another five or six songs, wrote them there, didn't 0:02:29.796 --> 0:02:32.836 record anything there but recorded what we were doing, but 0:02:32.876 --> 0:02:33.516 it wasn't. 0:02:33.276 --> 0:02:35.476 The actual you know, recording. We went actually after that 0:02:35.476 --> 0:02:35.996 we tracked it. 0:02:35.996 --> 0:02:38.556 So when we started tracking it, though, I already had 0:02:38.556 --> 0:02:40.356 a sequence in mind once we had of the songs, 0:02:40.796 --> 0:02:45.236 So we actually tracked the album in the sequence of 0:02:45.876 --> 0:02:48.476 the record, which was cool. So's that's something that I 0:02:48.556 --> 0:02:51.396 kind of like figured out early, Like I really had 0:02:51.436 --> 0:02:54.756 this mindset of like creating an album, the kind of 0:02:54.756 --> 0:02:58.036 that started in one place, went somewhere, and ended somewhere. 0:02:58.316 --> 0:03:00.036 I kind of liked that idea of doing that. 0:03:00.676 --> 0:03:03.076 Yeah, have you guys ever done like a hidden track 0:03:03.156 --> 0:03:05.516 or anything like that, like any like special. 0:03:05.316 --> 0:03:06.076 Yeah, we did. 0:03:06.516 --> 0:03:08.356 That was like real popular in the nineties, I think 0:03:08.476 --> 0:03:12.956 yes on CD. So we we had one on our 0:03:12.996 --> 0:03:16.876 second record around the fir and it was pretty funny 0:03:16.956 --> 0:03:19.596 because it's like it has to be a part of 0:03:19.636 --> 0:03:21.196 the last song on the record, so the last song 0:03:21.236 --> 0:03:23.236 on the record, that being like thirty something minutes long 0:03:23.316 --> 0:03:25.076 or whatever, because we had like there was like a 0:03:25.076 --> 0:03:28.716 twenty minute like break of silence. It's pretty funny we 0:03:28.716 --> 0:03:31.196 we had. That was back when answering machines were still 0:03:31.516 --> 0:03:33.996 people still had answering machines in their in their apartments 0:03:34.076 --> 0:03:34.396 or whatever. 0:03:34.436 --> 0:03:37.196 So we were staying in this apartment in Seattle. 0:03:37.356 --> 0:03:42.476 We were recording, and Stephan Abe and myself shared an apartment, 0:03:42.516 --> 0:03:46.116 so we had our answer machine and our it was 0:03:46.156 --> 0:03:48.876 attached also to the intercom too, so like when friends 0:03:48.916 --> 0:03:51.476 came over, they'd pressed the intercom to call us, and 0:03:51.516 --> 0:03:54.916 then they'd leave the messages from either downstairs in the 0:03:55.196 --> 0:03:57.916 you know, in the intercom to our our answer machine 0:03:57.956 --> 0:04:00.396 or if someone called whatever, but we had our greeting 0:04:00.396 --> 0:04:02.276 on there. Was like super funny, Like it was like 0:04:02.836 --> 0:04:05.156 Stephan was like taking a bong hit and like, you know, 0:04:05.716 --> 0:04:07.516 call us back, you know what I mean, well over night, 0:04:08.076 --> 0:04:11.156 but we actually took that tape and we put that 0:04:11.236 --> 0:04:13.876 on there so that our little message thing was on 0:04:13.956 --> 0:04:15.956 as part of the hidden track. And then like a 0:04:15.996 --> 0:04:18.676 couple of minutes later, a bonus song pops in out 0:04:18.676 --> 0:04:19.116 of nowhere. 0:04:19.236 --> 0:04:20.276 Oh that's so cool. 0:04:20.396 --> 0:04:22.996 Yeah, I remember Alanis Morissette had one of those, and 0:04:23.036 --> 0:04:25.756 it came in like twenty minutes after. So if like 0:04:25.796 --> 0:04:28.516 you left the CD on, yeah totally, just like all 0:04:28.556 --> 0:04:30.036 of a sudden it started playing, you were like, whoa 0:04:30.076 --> 0:04:30.756 who is it. 0:04:31.556 --> 0:04:34.356 Was that on the Jagged Little Bit of album. Yeah, 0:04:34.556 --> 0:04:36.836 that was a great record. I mean it's crazy because 0:04:36.876 --> 0:04:39.956 that was also Maverick Records, which was where we were 0:04:39.956 --> 0:04:42.676 at at the time, So our records came out pretty 0:04:42.716 --> 0:04:44.916 close to each other, our first record and her record. 0:04:45.476 --> 0:04:48.076 Yeah, we had a kind of a close thing with 0:04:48.116 --> 0:04:49.076 that record. Yeah. 0:04:49.396 --> 0:04:52.156 Okay, that's so cool. Yeah, that was an awesome era. 0:04:53.076 --> 0:04:55.996 So speaking of you guys living together, I know that 0:04:56.836 --> 0:04:58.996 I think like right after or maybe while you were 0:04:58.996 --> 0:05:01.316 still in high school, you lived with Chi right. 0:05:01.636 --> 0:05:04.676 Yep, right out of my parents' house. I was still seventeen. 0:05:05.916 --> 0:05:07.636 I kind of just stopped going to school. It was 0:05:07.996 --> 0:05:11.916 a senior quote unquot senior the normal high school I 0:05:11.916 --> 0:05:14.516 went to, and ended up going to a continuation high school, 0:05:14.716 --> 0:05:17.196 which is like sort of just where you go and 0:05:17.196 --> 0:05:19.716 make up credits and whatever, still get a diploma about 0:05:19.716 --> 0:05:22.196 you like, you know, you just kind of do textbook work. 0:05:22.196 --> 0:05:24.036 There's not really teachers and they're teaching. You're just kind 0:05:24.036 --> 0:05:27.196 of like going through textbooks and whatever. But we started 0:05:27.196 --> 0:05:30.476 playing shows actually, and we started taking little trips from 0:05:30.516 --> 0:05:34.196 Sacramento to like Oakland and San Francisco and just like 0:05:34.276 --> 0:05:37.996 d outskirts of a town and playing shows. So we'd 0:05:37.996 --> 0:05:40.596 get back from playing shows like you know, three in 0:05:40.636 --> 0:05:42.756 the morning, and then like and then I would just 0:05:42.796 --> 0:05:45.156 like end up saying over cheese house, and then I'd 0:05:45.156 --> 0:05:45.836 wake up in the morning and. 0:05:45.796 --> 0:05:47.116 Be like, I'm not going to school today. 0:05:47.196 --> 0:05:49.836 Like I kind of already had my mind made up that, like, 0:05:50.036 --> 0:05:52.756 you know, not that I would be successful with the band, 0:05:52.796 --> 0:05:54.596 but like I just was like that was kind of 0:05:54.636 --> 0:05:59.876 like my priority. And my parents were supportive. I mean, 0:05:59.916 --> 0:06:01.756 they were bummed I think that I like stopped going 0:06:01.796 --> 0:06:04.596 to school, but they were also a little preoccupied. My 0:06:04.636 --> 0:06:06.516 parents were actually going through divorce at that time too, 0:06:06.556 --> 0:06:08.276 so it was like I kind of slipped through the 0:06:08.276 --> 0:06:10.956 cracks a little bit. Like normally my parents were pretty 0:06:10.956 --> 0:06:13.316 strict about stuff, but like they were kind of dealing 0:06:13.396 --> 0:06:14.836 with their own things, so like I kind of just 0:06:14.876 --> 0:06:16.476 like was able to do what I wanted for the 0:06:16.516 --> 0:06:18.836 most part, wow, and really like checking up on me 0:06:18.956 --> 0:06:19.756 like are. 0:06:19.596 --> 0:06:20.956 You doing this, are you doing that? Are you doing 0:06:20.956 --> 0:06:21.516 this or whatever. 0:06:21.556 --> 0:06:24.236 So in a way, it was kind of I guess 0:06:24.756 --> 0:06:26.996 I got lucky in a way because I got just 0:06:27.716 --> 0:06:30.796 dived deep into music as opposed to like trying to 0:06:30.836 --> 0:06:33.116 do school and that. Yeah, I was able to really 0:06:33.116 --> 0:06:35.836 like focus on music stuff. But it was weird, you 0:06:35.876 --> 0:06:37.916 know what I mean. It wasn't like, you know, I 0:06:37.956 --> 0:06:39.356 was still kind of it was a bummer, you know 0:06:39.396 --> 0:06:40.476 what I mean. I was like one of the only 0:06:40.556 --> 0:06:42.316 kids at that point. We had a lot of friends 0:06:42.316 --> 0:06:44.356 whose parents were divorced, like when you grow up whatever, 0:06:44.676 --> 0:06:46.596 and I was always so proud, like my parents are 0:06:46.596 --> 0:06:48.436 still married, blah blah blah. 0:06:48.436 --> 0:06:50.996 And then right like you know, your high school league divorce. 0:06:51.436 --> 0:06:53.236 It wasn't like something you saw coming. 0:06:53.436 --> 0:06:58.676 Not really, no, no, Yeah, did. 0:06:58.516 --> 0:07:00.836 You guys sound like Deftones in the beginning, like when 0:07:00.876 --> 0:07:03.076 the band first started playing together, Like what did you 0:07:03.156 --> 0:07:03.636 sound like? 0:07:04.156 --> 0:07:05.876 I think, yeah, some of the DNAs there. 0:07:05.876 --> 0:07:07.716 I mean, obviously we were trying to figure out, like 0:07:08.556 --> 0:07:10.116 we were trying to figure out how to play our 0:07:10.116 --> 0:07:13.556 own instruments. I was, I was emulating a lot of 0:07:13.556 --> 0:07:16.396 what I liked, so like, you know, some songs, I 0:07:16.436 --> 0:07:20.356 would try to sound like Morrissey and sound like Danzing 0:07:20.476 --> 0:07:23.156 and like those things don't match. But like in a way, 0:07:23.316 --> 0:07:25.156 like I kind of came up with my own sound 0:07:25.156 --> 0:07:26.756 maybe because those things don't match. 0:07:26.796 --> 0:07:28.556 And I just liked what I liked and I was. 0:07:28.556 --> 0:07:31.236 Trying to take I was just taking influence from the 0:07:31.236 --> 0:07:34.756 things that I like enjoyed. Yeah, Also, like I listened 0:07:34.796 --> 0:07:37.436 to a lot of rap music back then, so I 0:07:37.516 --> 0:07:40.316 used to like to try to rap as well. And 0:07:40.596 --> 0:07:41.996 to me, I didn't think it was that weird to 0:07:42.116 --> 0:07:44.516 like put like rhythmic singing over some of the stuff. 0:07:44.556 --> 0:07:44.836 Whatever. 0:07:45.676 --> 0:07:49.396 My lyrics weren't really like I guess rap oriented lyrics 0:07:49.436 --> 0:07:51.436 where I wasn't like, you know, talking about things that 0:07:51.436 --> 0:07:54.436 I didn't really do. But I think just the format 0:07:54.476 --> 0:07:56.636 of like like the Cadences and things like that like 0:07:56.676 --> 0:07:58.756 that were inspiring to me. So I put like all 0:07:58.796 --> 0:08:03.236 those things together screaming from like I loved Pantera and 0:08:03.916 --> 0:08:06.956 Bad Brains and and so like just I guess all 0:08:06.996 --> 0:08:10.196 those little elements whatever, I was just kind of you know, 0:08:10.276 --> 0:08:13.436 emulating maybe each one at certain points, like a little 0:08:13.476 --> 0:08:16.356 bit more like where you can really tell, oh, he's 0:08:16.436 --> 0:08:18.436 trying to do this. And I think over the time, 0:08:18.476 --> 0:08:22.596 I've been able to, like, I guess, find myself within 0:08:22.676 --> 0:08:24.436 all those things and kind of have my own voice. 0:08:24.436 --> 0:08:25.476 I guess, I hope. 0:08:25.836 --> 0:08:27.236 Yeah, when did you find your voice? 0:08:27.276 --> 0:08:30.116 Like when do you feel like you were squarely standing 0:08:30.236 --> 0:08:31.316 in your own sound. 0:08:31.836 --> 0:08:34.436 I mean it would probably be I think definitely after 0:08:34.436 --> 0:08:36.316 our first record, because our first record is still hard 0:08:36.316 --> 0:08:39.116 for you to listen to because I can hear like 0:08:39.396 --> 0:08:42.996 myself not still like not being confident and not really 0:08:43.756 --> 0:08:44.476 knowing what. 0:08:44.636 --> 0:08:45.276 I was doing. 0:08:45.556 --> 0:08:47.956 I mean, I was so nervous on our first record 0:08:48.276 --> 0:08:50.316 that I didn't even write a lot of lyrics, like 0:08:50.356 --> 0:08:53.956 a lot of it's just like freestyling syllables and whatever. 0:08:54.116 --> 0:08:56.796 Like and then so like if you notice, like inside 0:08:56.796 --> 0:08:59.276 there's not lyrics in the record, there's some scribbled notes 0:08:59.316 --> 0:09:01.916 of me that I wrote whatever. So there's some words 0:09:01.916 --> 0:09:04.556 in there, but like some of it's not because I 0:09:04.636 --> 0:09:07.036 was so scared to commit to like what I was 0:09:07.076 --> 0:09:07.556 going to say. 0:09:07.756 --> 0:09:10.156 Yeah, just kind of like used my voice as an 0:09:10.156 --> 0:09:10.916 instrument more. 0:09:11.196 --> 0:09:14.316 Yeah, so that record's hard for us too because I 0:09:14.756 --> 0:09:17.876 can see exactly where I was whatever, just kind of 0:09:18.876 --> 0:09:23.116 non confident, like sort of still figuring out. Whereas maybe 0:09:23.156 --> 0:09:26.516 our second record, I think, you know, touring a lot 0:09:26.516 --> 0:09:28.956 from our first record and just like actually getting the 0:09:28.956 --> 0:09:32.236 opportunity to make a second record, which a lot of 0:09:32.236 --> 0:09:33.956 bands don't even get that chance, right, we got to 0:09:34.116 --> 0:09:37.876 signed to a pretty big label and yeah, and you know, 0:09:37.956 --> 0:09:40.676 we didn't sell anything close to like what Atlantis sold, right, 0:09:40.756 --> 0:09:43.676 so who's our label made? So like I mean honestly, 0:09:43.716 --> 0:09:46.116 that probably helped because I think our label was making 0:09:46.156 --> 0:09:50.796 so much money from Atlantis. Yeah that like they probably 0:09:50.796 --> 0:09:52.516 lost a lot of money on our first record, but 0:09:52.676 --> 0:09:54.756 allowed us to go and make a second record. 0:09:55.076 --> 0:09:56.596 Reallyant honestly, did. 0:09:56.436 --> 0:09:58.196 You have to like show and prove at that point 0:09:58.236 --> 0:10:00.436 to the label, Like, was there anything that you had 0:10:00.476 --> 0:10:03.516 to in a way promise them that we're going to 0:10:03.556 --> 0:10:06.076 bring next time to make the next album do even better. 0:10:06.756 --> 0:10:09.756 I don't think that there was early ever thatscussion, but 0:10:10.076 --> 0:10:13.036 I think within ourselves, I think we wanted to. I 0:10:13.116 --> 0:10:13.796 know I wanted to. 0:10:13.956 --> 0:10:15.636 I wanted to show and prove, like, wow, we can 0:10:15.676 --> 0:10:17.956 do so much better, because even if our first record 0:10:17.996 --> 0:10:20.276 was done, I knew that it wasn't as good as 0:10:20.636 --> 0:10:24.876 the band that we were becoming. So with the second record, 0:10:24.916 --> 0:10:27.236 I really think that we made a statement. I think 0:10:27.236 --> 0:10:29.916 it's probably still one of our strongest records to the state. 0:10:30.316 --> 0:10:32.636 And then after that we made the White Pony record, 0:10:32.636 --> 0:10:37.196 which was like a pretty big left turn to like 0:10:37.236 --> 0:10:40.596 where music was sort of at that point, where like 0:10:40.676 --> 0:10:42.796 a lot of new metal music what they were calling 0:10:42.796 --> 0:10:44.276 it at the time, which I guess they still call 0:10:44.316 --> 0:10:46.916 it that, but it was like kind of that was 0:10:46.956 --> 0:10:50.356 like kind of pop like on the Raino all day long, 0:10:50.476 --> 0:10:53.836 and we steered like far left of that and made 0:10:53.876 --> 0:10:56.876 the White Pony album. And the label wasn't actually really 0:10:57.796 --> 0:11:01.556 that stoked on it because of that, but they did 0:11:01.556 --> 0:11:03.356 support us a lot because they knew that it was 0:11:03.356 --> 0:11:06.396 still a good record. And honestly, that was probably one 0:11:06.396 --> 0:11:08.556 of the best decisions we ever made doing that, because 0:11:08.636 --> 0:11:10.636 I think it help with our longevity for sure. 0:11:11.196 --> 0:11:13.716 How hands on, was Madonna with a label because it 0:11:13.796 --> 0:11:14.516 was her label? 0:11:14.636 --> 0:11:16.396 Right? Yes? Yes? 0:11:16.876 --> 0:11:19.716 Was she involved with like the artist sound? Would she 0:11:20.156 --> 0:11:22.676 sort of be in like an executive producer position? Did 0:11:22.676 --> 0:11:25.716 you have any conversations with her, like creative conversations about 0:11:25.716 --> 0:11:26.516 what you were putting out? 0:11:26.916 --> 0:11:30.196 No, you know, no, not really, And I can only 0:11:30.236 --> 0:11:32.436 speak for us. Maybe she did with some other artists, 0:11:32.436 --> 0:11:36.276 but I mean, I remember the first time that we 0:11:36.556 --> 0:11:38.636 when we very first got signed. I went to the 0:11:38.676 --> 0:11:41.636 office and I didn't even know she was there. I 0:11:41.676 --> 0:11:44.636 went to go sit in my an r's office, the 0:11:44.636 --> 0:11:48.436 guy who signed his name's guy, And I was sitting 0:11:48.476 --> 0:11:51.076 talking to him and like staring at like, you know, 0:11:51.156 --> 0:11:52.836 face to face with him. The doors behind me, and 0:11:52.876 --> 0:11:55.196 the door opens and he starts talking to her. I 0:11:55.236 --> 0:11:57.116 just hear a female voice and I look over and 0:11:57.156 --> 0:11:58.756 I look up and it's her. And then she he's like. 0:11:58.676 --> 0:12:00.476 Oh, this is new artist, blah blah blah. 0:12:00.516 --> 0:12:03.356 And I was just freaking out because as like a 0:12:03.716 --> 0:12:05.276 ten year old and myself was just like. 0:12:05.276 --> 0:12:05.796 Oh my god. 0:12:05.956 --> 0:12:07.236 And then she ended up coming to a few of 0:12:07.236 --> 0:12:10.116 our shows, and like I remember one time we were 0:12:10.116 --> 0:12:13.076 backstage and we were about to go on stage and 0:12:13.276 --> 0:12:15.236 she was like looking me up and down. She's like, 0:12:15.396 --> 0:12:17.636 are you going to get ready? I looked down at 0:12:17.676 --> 0:12:19.236 my clothes. I was like, yeah, I'm ready. She's like, 0:12:19.316 --> 0:12:21.796 that's what you're gonna wear? And I think I just 0:12:21.796 --> 0:12:23.276 had a prayer like Dicky's and a T shirt or 0:12:23.316 --> 0:12:25.756 something on whatever, and she was like, that's what you're 0:12:25.756 --> 0:12:28.236 gonna wear, like kind of like and I. 0:12:28.156 --> 0:12:30.076 Was like, whoa, she's a come here. 0:12:30.076 --> 0:12:31.916 And then she like helped me like pulled my pants 0:12:31.996 --> 0:12:33.876 up a little bit, like help me fix my belt 0:12:33.876 --> 0:12:35.276 and whatever. And it was just like this is like 0:12:35.356 --> 0:12:38.196 surreal right now, But those kind of things are like, 0:12:38.236 --> 0:12:40.396 you know, like like a story like until today that 0:12:40.476 --> 0:12:42.716 still like brings joy to me totally. 0:12:43.356 --> 0:12:44.876 So I was going to ask you about like back 0:12:44.916 --> 0:12:47.396 when we were talking about you living with Chi. Since 0:12:47.396 --> 0:12:50.356 you've known the guys for so long, I feel like 0:12:50.516 --> 0:12:53.236 you can tell a lot about a person by the 0:12:53.276 --> 0:12:56.236 way their bedroom is. Do you remember, like growing up, 0:12:56.236 --> 0:12:57.556 what people's bedrooms were. 0:12:57.396 --> 0:12:58.596 Like, I totally do. 0:12:58.996 --> 0:13:01.356 Yeah, like Abes or Chi or. 0:13:01.516 --> 0:13:02.236 Yes, Abe. 0:13:02.316 --> 0:13:04.956 I mean, so I'll use Abe as an example because 0:13:05.756 --> 0:13:07.716 this is great. I went to Abe's house for the 0:13:07.756 --> 0:13:10.116 first time. I think we were in seven, in maybe 0:13:10.156 --> 0:13:12.996 eighth grade. We're in junior high school, and I go 0:13:13.076 --> 0:13:16.156 to his house after school A skateboard over there, and 0:13:16.196 --> 0:13:18.116 I go into his room and he's got a little 0:13:18.156 --> 0:13:20.236 tiny room. I mean it's, you know, pretty small, but 0:13:21.196 --> 0:13:22.836 his drum set takes up his whole room. 0:13:23.596 --> 0:13:25.116 And it was his dad's drum set. 0:13:25.796 --> 0:13:28.076 His dad passed away when he was a couple of 0:13:28.156 --> 0:13:30.916 years before that actually, and he was in a band. 0:13:31.396 --> 0:13:33.636 He inherited the drum set from him, and he had 0:13:33.676 --> 0:13:36.116 so his room was just the drum set. And then 0:13:36.116 --> 0:13:39.436 he had a little tiny like mattress on the like 0:13:39.476 --> 0:13:41.156 in the corner, like where he slept. I don't even 0:13:41.196 --> 0:13:42.276 know if it was a mattress. I want to say, 0:13:42.316 --> 0:13:44.156 it was just like the blanket, started sleeping bag whatever. 0:13:44.196 --> 0:13:46.556 But he sacrifices like comfort. So it's like his room 0:13:46.676 --> 0:13:48.996 was just like his drum set. And then back then 0:13:49.036 --> 0:13:50.596 as when we had cassettes, so we have a whole 0:13:50.596 --> 0:13:53.396 wall of just like cassettes and a lot of like 0:13:53.436 --> 0:13:54.996 dub cassettes because that's what we used to be back 0:13:54.996 --> 0:13:57.676 in the day, like dub cassettes. And then like do 0:13:57.796 --> 0:14:00.716 our own artwork on him whatever, So whole wall of cassettes, 0:14:00.756 --> 0:14:02.996 you know. So I was just enamorated by his cassette 0:14:02.996 --> 0:14:06.836 collecting and it's just music, like his music ruled his life, 0:14:06.876 --> 0:14:09.236 so like that was his little world, right. That was 0:14:09.276 --> 0:14:12.276 awesome now now cheese. So we shared a bedroom when 0:14:12.276 --> 0:14:14.156 I moved in. It was a one bedroom apartment that 0:14:14.196 --> 0:14:16.036 we lived in, and he lived in there actually with 0:14:16.076 --> 0:14:18.876 his girlfriend at the time. When I would go stay 0:14:18.876 --> 0:14:20.836 the night over there, and then him and his girlfriend 0:14:20.836 --> 0:14:23.156 broke up and it could have had something to do 0:14:23.236 --> 0:14:25.316 with that. I was always asleep on the couch in 0:14:25.356 --> 0:14:27.796 the other room whatever, but she was finding like, yeah, 0:14:27.996 --> 0:14:29.556 it's either him or me or kind of thing whatever. 0:14:29.636 --> 0:14:31.836 But yeah, but she ended up moving out and then 0:14:32.076 --> 0:14:35.356 so I moved in officially and then we both shared room, 0:14:35.396 --> 0:14:37.636 so we had two like twin mattresses on each side 0:14:37.636 --> 0:14:40.676 of the room. But our room was a fucking mess. 0:14:40.756 --> 0:14:42.796 I mean, our whole apartment was. But it was like 0:14:42.916 --> 0:14:45.076 college off and it was actually on the college campus 0:14:45.116 --> 0:14:48.156 because he still went to school. The deal was his 0:14:48.236 --> 0:14:50.356 dad would pay half the rent as long as he 0:14:50.516 --> 0:14:51.196 was in school. 0:14:51.916 --> 0:14:53.156 So his dad paid half. 0:14:53.076 --> 0:14:55.116 The rent and then she and I split the other half. 0:14:55.236 --> 0:14:56.716 With the rent was so it was like the rent 0:14:56.796 --> 0:14:57.916 was like nothing. It was like it was like one 0:14:57.956 --> 0:14:59.436 hundred and fifty bucks a month, and it was in 0:14:59.476 --> 0:15:03.476 an apartment on kind of off campus a Sex State University. 0:15:03.716 --> 0:15:06.116 And I worked at the dining comments there, like the 0:15:06.516 --> 0:15:09.916 where they served the kids in the dorms stay lunches 0:15:09.916 --> 0:15:13.116 and dinners whatever, the dining home whatever, so. 0:15:12.756 --> 0:15:13.516 You could take food. 0:15:13.796 --> 0:15:16.076 Yes, so we used to like come home with food. Yeah, 0:15:16.156 --> 0:15:18.156 that's how we lived. But it was mostly just like beer. 0:15:18.196 --> 0:15:21.516 We just drank beer. And like she was, he's a 0:15:21.516 --> 0:15:23.996 couple of years older than then the rest of us actually, 0:15:24.036 --> 0:15:26.796 so so he was old enough to buy beer at 0:15:26.836 --> 0:15:27.076 that point. 0:15:27.116 --> 0:15:29.916 I was still young and he might not even been 0:15:29.916 --> 0:15:30.596 twenty one yet. 0:15:30.636 --> 0:15:32.436 But there was a store across the street that we 0:15:32.476 --> 0:15:35.036 could buy beer from so like, and it was cheap beer, 0:15:35.116 --> 0:15:36.556 like the cheapest beer you can buy. 0:15:36.836 --> 0:15:37.236 So like. 0:15:37.356 --> 0:15:39.636 Our whole balcony was just full of beer cans and 0:15:39.636 --> 0:15:41.356 it was like a total like I don't know, I 0:15:41.356 --> 0:15:43.756 guess what I would expect a front house to kind 0:15:43.756 --> 0:15:46.276 of write. It was just like us too, And then 0:15:46.356 --> 0:15:47.276 all our friends. 0:15:46.996 --> 0:15:48.956 Were there all the time, the hangout spot. 0:15:49.036 --> 0:15:51.396 It was just the hangout spot. Yeah, but it was awesome. 0:15:51.836 --> 0:15:53.476 So you must have been over high school. 0:15:53.516 --> 0:15:55.276 Like, I don't know, you seemed like you were beyond 0:15:55.356 --> 0:15:57.116 high school at that point, Like, I know, you're going 0:15:57.156 --> 0:15:59.676 to the continuation school, but mentally, it seems like you 0:15:59.716 --> 0:16:01.396 were already like graduated. 0:16:01.676 --> 0:16:03.996 Yeah, So yeah I did. I just stopped going to school. 0:16:03.996 --> 0:16:06.876 I stopped even going to the continuation school. And it 0:16:06.956 --> 0:16:09.196 was probably almost towards the end of the school year anyway. 0:16:09.796 --> 0:16:11.996 So I was kind of bummed that I didn't graduate. 0:16:12.036 --> 0:16:14.436 My parents were bummed that I didn't graduate. But other 0:16:14.476 --> 0:16:16.036 than that, I was just like, yeah, I was already. 0:16:16.036 --> 0:16:19.396 Like we started playing shows, and you know, we started 0:16:19.396 --> 0:16:23.716 to guard a small following even around Sacramento at the time, 0:16:24.196 --> 0:16:28.876 and we practiced almost every day and we just had fun. 0:16:29.116 --> 0:16:30.916 We were wrapped by the river, so we swam, like 0:16:30.956 --> 0:16:34.636 all summer, we're just swimming and like, yeah, it was 0:16:34.676 --> 0:16:36.996 like the time of our lives, really like making music. 0:16:37.516 --> 0:16:39.796 Yeah, and who came Did Abe come up with the 0:16:39.876 --> 0:16:40.836 name deftones? 0:16:41.476 --> 0:16:42.596 Stephan did? Oh? 0:16:42.716 --> 0:16:44.596 Stephan did yeah, And we. 0:16:44.476 --> 0:16:47.076 Were going to play one of our first shows and 0:16:47.396 --> 0:16:49.716 we had to buy tickets too. It was like one 0:16:49.716 --> 0:16:51.116 of the things pay to play kind of thing, but 0:16:51.156 --> 0:16:52.996 where we buy all the tickets and then we can 0:16:53.396 --> 0:16:56.276 We bought the tickets for a dollar apiece from the 0:16:56.316 --> 0:16:59.196 promoter and then we can sell them for three dollars 0:16:59.436 --> 0:17:00.916 so we can make a cop books up each ticket. 0:17:00.956 --> 0:17:01.756 But we did end up doing that. 0:17:01.756 --> 0:17:03.356 We ended up just giving away to our friends at 0:17:03.396 --> 0:17:06.476 school and whatever so we can have a pact for 0:17:06.556 --> 0:17:08.716 a show. And we were like, well, we need a 0:17:08.756 --> 0:17:10.676 band of we're gonna play a show. So Stephan said, oh, 0:17:10.676 --> 0:17:12.076