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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Chino Morino is the lead singer of Deftones, the

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Speaker 1: Sacramento band experiencing resurgence as a new generation discovers their

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Speaker 1: nineties hits on social media. This year, Deftones have been

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Speaker 1: selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on their

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Speaker 1: latest album, Private Music. During the recording sessions, guitarist Stephen

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Speaker 1: Carpenter's health took a turn when he was diagnosed with

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Speaker 1: type two diabetes. Chino stepped in to handle more of

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Speaker 1: the guitar parts, approaching the album with newfound clarity after

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Speaker 1: getting sober. On today's episode, Lea Rose talks with Chino

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Speaker 1: about the band's early days living with their late bassist

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Speaker 1: the Fur album cover, and shares his post show ritual,

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Speaker 1: which often includes winding down with rom coms and his

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Speaker 1: tour bus bunk. This is broken record, real musicians conversation.

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Speaker 1: Here's Leo Rose with Gino Moreno.

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Speaker 2: I was just listening to Private Music, and I was curious,

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Speaker 2: Like the album starts so.

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Speaker 3: Hard, so fast.

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Speaker 2: It's got like that sledgy riff right off the top,

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Speaker 2: Like how important is that first Like three seconds when

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Speaker 4: It's pretty important.

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Speaker 5: I mean when we wrote that song, I kind of

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Speaker 5: you said, it's kind of this bombastic sort of sledge

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Speaker 5: riff that yeah, and I loved Abes drumming on the song.

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Speaker 5: I think it's really created what he does in the

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Speaker 5: verses and the staccato intro as well. It's just like

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Speaker 5: it kind of has a lot of elements that we're

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Speaker 5: but I also think it's powerful and then the just

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Speaker 5: you know, the song itself sort of has this like

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Speaker 5: just great introductory phil I think too, like what's to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know what's crazy is that we we wrote the

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Speaker 5: did another five or six songs, wrote them there, didn't

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Speaker 4: The actual you know, recording. We went actually after that

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Speaker 5: So when we started tracking it, though, I already had

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Speaker 5: So we actually tracked the album in the sequence of

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Speaker 5: the record, which was cool. So's that's something that I

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Speaker 5: this mindset of like creating an album, the kind of

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Speaker 4: I kind of liked that idea of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys ever done like a hidden track

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Speaker 5: That was like real popular in the nineties, I think

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Speaker 4: So we were staying in this apartment in Seattle.

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Speaker 5: We were recording, and Stephan Abe and myself shared an apartment,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember Alanis Morissette had one of those, and

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Speaker 5: Was that on the Jagged Little Bit of album. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that was also Maverick Records, which was where we were

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Speaker 2: So speaking of you guys living together, I know that

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Speaker 4: You doing this, are you doing that? Are you doing

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Speaker 4: And then right like you know, your high school league divorce.

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, some of the DNAs there.

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Speaker 4: And I just liked what I liked and I was.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was so nervous on our first record

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just kind of like used my voice as an

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Speaker 5: we didn't sell anything close to like what Atlantis sold, right,

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Speaker 5: so who's our label made? So like I mean honestly,

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Speaker 2: Who in the band and is in charge of like

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Speaker 2: Like as far as the final album covers, the actual

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Speaker 2: Is there one of you who is kind of like

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty much the one that is like in the

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Speaker 5: I always I never do anything without everybody at least

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Speaker 5: And then there everybody's pretty easy going and they trust me,

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Speaker 4: But it's myself.

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Speaker 5: And then there's a guy at Warner Brothers who has

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Speaker 5: graphic art and photography and so yeah, we just come

443
00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:58,356
Speaker 5: up with random stuff and then we just sort of

444
00:18:58,436 --> 00:19:00,036
Speaker 5: sort of start like brainstorming.

445
00:19:00,076 --> 00:19:01,996
Speaker 3: And do you enjoy that part of it?

446
00:19:02,236 --> 00:19:03,196
Speaker 4: I do? I really do.

447
00:19:04,236 --> 00:19:08,716
Speaker 5: From everything from our T shirt designs to our like

448
00:19:08,796 --> 00:19:11,076
Speaker 5: our so when we play our live shows now we

449
00:19:11,156 --> 00:19:14,316
Speaker 5: have like these huge led screens behind us whatever, so

450
00:19:14,356 --> 00:19:18,316
Speaker 5: there's like different content that goes on between during the songs,

451
00:19:18,356 --> 00:19:21,236
Speaker 5: and then like some of it's imag which is basically

452
00:19:21,276 --> 00:19:25,156
Speaker 5: like the live feed of us on stage in the crowd.

453
00:19:25,276 --> 00:19:27,596
Speaker 5: But but I've been but like we throw filters on

454
00:19:27,636 --> 00:19:30,356
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff whatever, and just the color palettes

455
00:19:30,396 --> 00:19:32,556
Speaker 5: everything like I'm just like, really, that's kind of stuff

456
00:19:32,636 --> 00:19:33,356
Speaker 5: is fun for.

457
00:19:33,276 --> 00:19:33,676
Speaker 4: Me to do.

458
00:19:33,996 --> 00:19:36,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen like still shots of it and there's

459
00:19:36,476 --> 00:19:38,116
Speaker 2: like pink like a woman's face.

460
00:19:38,676 --> 00:19:39,916
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.

461
00:19:39,876 --> 00:19:41,956
Speaker 2: Saw people on Reddit trying to figure out where those

462
00:19:42,236 --> 00:19:43,436
Speaker 2: images come from.

463
00:19:43,596 --> 00:19:47,356
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of stuff I research and find, like

464
00:19:47,556 --> 00:19:49,796
Speaker 5: archive dot org is one one site that I've been

465
00:19:49,796 --> 00:19:51,436
Speaker 5: going on for years and years, and it's just like

466
00:19:51,516 --> 00:19:55,196
Speaker 5: all this like old archival footage of stuff whatever, some

467
00:19:55,396 --> 00:19:57,716
Speaker 5: old movies like I like to find like old like

468
00:19:58,076 --> 00:20:03,636
Speaker 5: rare you know stuff, And yeah, imagery and like sonics

469
00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:06,476
Speaker 5: like those two things to me, Like, I love marrying

470
00:20:06,516 --> 00:20:09,236
Speaker 5: those things together, whether it's like I mean, when I

471
00:20:09,276 --> 00:20:11,236
Speaker 5: listened to music a lot of times, I'll see images

472
00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:14,036
Speaker 5: and vice versa. I'll like look at the image sometimes

473
00:20:14,076 --> 00:20:16,956
Speaker 5: and I'll kind of hear music. So really marrying those

474
00:20:16,996 --> 00:20:18,716
Speaker 5: two things is always fun.

475
00:20:19,036 --> 00:20:19,316
Speaker 4: Wow.

476
00:20:19,356 --> 00:20:22,876
Speaker 3: And you've done some scoring recently, right, some movie scoring

477
00:20:22,956 --> 00:20:23,596
Speaker 3: or show scoring.

478
00:20:24,156 --> 00:20:26,916
Speaker 5: I've done some of it. Some I did, like this

479
00:20:26,956 --> 00:20:30,876
Speaker 5: Hulu thing once I've done. Yeah, but it's something that

480
00:20:30,916 --> 00:20:33,116
Speaker 5: I want to do more of. I haven't done anything recently,

481
00:20:33,156 --> 00:20:38,876
Speaker 5: but I love I'm really into soundscapes and Yeah.

482
00:20:38,116 --> 00:20:40,676
Speaker 3: That seems like something that you'd be really really good at.

483
00:20:41,476 --> 00:20:43,116
Speaker 4: It still takes I mean, you have to know what

484
00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:44,236
Speaker 4: you're doing. It's hard.

485
00:20:45,316 --> 00:20:47,236
Speaker 5: Like coming up with the ideas, to me, that's the

486
00:20:47,236 --> 00:20:50,116
Speaker 5: easy part, but like actually doing it. I like, I

487
00:20:50,236 --> 00:20:53,116
Speaker 5: definitely help with that kind of the technical side of things.

488
00:20:53,596 --> 00:20:56,836
Speaker 5: And then again it's like musically, I'm not trained professionally.

489
00:20:57,316 --> 00:21:01,076
Speaker 5: I don't stand theory. I understand some. I'm trying to

490
00:21:01,156 --> 00:21:03,876
Speaker 5: learn more. But that's kind of been my goal lately actually,

491
00:21:03,956 --> 00:21:07,556
Speaker 5: as especially as I get older, is just working on piano,

492
00:21:07,796 --> 00:21:13,316
Speaker 5: playing piano, taking less and playing guitar, learning chords, tunings, everything.

493
00:21:13,396 --> 00:21:18,476
Speaker 5: Just that's kind of where I find fun now. Yeah,

494
00:21:18,596 --> 00:21:19,516
Speaker 5: learning stuff like that.

495
00:21:19,796 --> 00:21:20,196
Speaker 3: Yeah.

496
00:21:20,636 --> 00:21:24,876
Speaker 2: I heard Steffan saying that, I guess while making private

497
00:21:24,956 --> 00:21:28,476
Speaker 2: music he he has type two diabetes and he started

498
00:21:28,516 --> 00:21:31,716
Speaker 2: talking about it. But because of the illness, you had

499
00:21:31,716 --> 00:21:34,556
Speaker 2: to do more of the guitar parts.

500
00:21:34,836 --> 00:21:38,196
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and honestly, it's crazy because I didn't

501
00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:40,956
Speaker 5: I knew something. We all knew that something was going

502
00:21:40,996 --> 00:21:41,876
Speaker 5: on with him at the time.

503
00:21:41,916 --> 00:21:42,196
Speaker 4: Whatever.

504
00:21:42,276 --> 00:21:45,756
Speaker 5: He was like very lethargic, Like during the writing sessions

505
00:21:46,436 --> 00:21:49,756
Speaker 5: where he was there, he was present, but he was

506
00:21:49,836 --> 00:21:53,276
Speaker 5: just like he just seemed run down, and like we'd

507
00:21:53,316 --> 00:21:55,236
Speaker 5: start working on stuff and he'd kind of come in

508
00:21:55,276 --> 00:21:58,556
Speaker 5: and he'd like, he just seemed like very slow. And

509
00:21:58,716 --> 00:22:01,156
Speaker 5: it was hard sometimes because I would take it as like,

510
00:22:01,156 --> 00:22:02,596
Speaker 5: like we got in a couple of arguments a couple

511
00:22:02,596 --> 00:22:04,036
Speaker 5: of times where I was like, dude, look, what's wrong

512
00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:05,636
Speaker 5: with you? Do you like not want to be here?

513
00:22:05,796 --> 00:22:07,556
Speaker 5: Like I would just ask him, and then you get

514
00:22:07,596 --> 00:22:09,436
Speaker 5: mad at me. You're like, what are you talking about?

515
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:11,236
Speaker 5: And I'd be like, how could you ask me if

516
00:22:11,276 --> 00:22:13,236
Speaker 5: I want to be here? I'm here, and I'm like, yeah,

517
00:22:13,276 --> 00:22:15,276
Speaker 5: I know you're here, but like you don't seem interested

518
00:22:15,316 --> 00:22:17,436
Speaker 5: in what's going on. He's like, and he would get

519
00:22:17,436 --> 00:22:19,836
Speaker 5: mad at me for asking that, but everybody else was

520
00:22:19,876 --> 00:22:21,596
Speaker 5: thinking it, but no one else was asking this, So

521
00:22:21,636 --> 00:22:23,916
Speaker 5: then he'd get mad at me for like confronting him

522
00:22:23,916 --> 00:22:27,196
Speaker 5: about it. But we soon realized that, man, maybe something's

523
00:22:27,196 --> 00:22:29,716
Speaker 5: going off to health. And then we were playing Coachella

524
00:22:30,116 --> 00:22:32,316
Speaker 5: maybe I don't know, a few months after that after

525
00:22:32,356 --> 00:22:35,236
Speaker 5: that one of those sessions and and we got a

526
00:22:35,276 --> 00:22:37,556
Speaker 5: stage and he just like came up to all of

527
00:22:37,636 --> 00:22:39,436
Speaker 5: us and he was like, you guys, I'm really sorry that,

528
00:22:39,636 --> 00:22:43,156
Speaker 5: Like I played so bad, and honestly, I didn't really

529
00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,956
Speaker 5: realize it. I noticed that he was a little sloppier

530
00:22:45,996 --> 00:22:49,156
Speaker 5: than usual, but he was like, yo, he's like I

531
00:22:49,236 --> 00:22:51,636
Speaker 5: was like having a heart standing up. He's like in

532
00:22:51,676 --> 00:22:55,836
Speaker 5: my my hand wasn't like doing what, wasn't like responding

533
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:57,396
Speaker 5: to like playing these songs.

534
00:22:57,556 --> 00:22:58,036
Speaker 4: Wow.

535
00:22:58,156 --> 00:22:59,956
Speaker 5: And so I was like, yo, I was like, you

536
00:22:59,996 --> 00:23:02,276
Speaker 5: need to go figure out what's going on with you.

537
00:23:02,956 --> 00:23:07,556
Speaker 5: And he's been one of those people who I've always

538
00:23:07,596 --> 00:23:10,316
Speaker 5: tried to self diagnose himself, like our golf YouTube and

539
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:11,676
Speaker 5: like be like, oh, well, this is what's wrong with me.

540
00:23:11,756 --> 00:23:13,036
Speaker 5: And I'm like, dude, no, you need to go to

541
00:23:13,036 --> 00:23:15,396
Speaker 5: the doctor. And no one really likes to go to

542
00:23:15,476 --> 00:23:17,436
Speaker 5: the doctor. I get it, right. It's like, you know,

543
00:23:17,676 --> 00:23:20,756
Speaker 5: sometimes it's like scary, right, especially if you feel like

544
00:23:20,796 --> 00:23:22,436
Speaker 5: something's wrong with you.

545
00:23:22,436 --> 00:23:24,596
Speaker 4: You don't want to hear do you know what I mean?

546
00:23:24,636 --> 00:23:26,356
Speaker 4: But you you gotta know, right.

547
00:23:26,436 --> 00:23:29,276
Speaker 5: So, so eventually he faced up and he went and

548
00:23:29,316 --> 00:23:31,916
Speaker 5: then like and then I just like you just watched

549
00:23:32,316 --> 00:23:35,236
Speaker 5: his whole like he just changes, like once he knew

550
00:23:35,276 --> 00:23:37,356
Speaker 5: what was wrong with him, then he was like okay,

551
00:23:37,476 --> 00:23:39,156
Speaker 5: and then he started to figure out the tools of

552
00:23:39,196 --> 00:23:40,836
Speaker 5: it to deal with it. And now he's like he's

553
00:23:40,876 --> 00:23:43,156
Speaker 5: an obsessive person where it's like anything he gets to do,

554
00:23:43,236 --> 00:23:46,236
Speaker 5: whether it's like anything, just like he gets into he

555
00:23:46,276 --> 00:23:47,076
Speaker 5: gets obsessed with it.

556
00:23:47,196 --> 00:23:49,516
Speaker 4: So like how it's his health that he's obsessed with.

557
00:23:49,596 --> 00:23:53,196
Speaker 5: So, like we share a bus together and he every

558
00:23:53,276 --> 00:23:55,276
Speaker 5: night he's just like he's like, has this like his.

559
00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:56,876
Speaker 4: Sugar mon like thing on.

560
00:23:56,996 --> 00:23:59,396
Speaker 5: He's just like, look numbers and he's like, oh, look

561
00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,116
Speaker 5: at my thing is spike here and it's blah blah blah,

562
00:24:01,156 --> 00:24:02,356
Speaker 5: and I know so if I eat this, if I

563
00:24:02,796 --> 00:24:04,676
Speaker 5: you know, and this whatever. So he's just like he's

564
00:24:04,916 --> 00:24:07,036
Speaker 5: excited about it, and so like I just engage with

565
00:24:07,116 --> 00:24:09,396
Speaker 5: him about it, and it's like I'm just seeing him

566
00:24:09,436 --> 00:24:12,036
Speaker 5: like his like life come back into him, like physically

567
00:24:12,036 --> 00:24:15,236
Speaker 5: and mentally. Like he's just like awakening because he you know,

568
00:24:15,276 --> 00:24:17,356
Speaker 5: it's a it's a real positive thing that I'm happy with.

569
00:24:17,396 --> 00:24:17,996
Speaker 4: But that's awesome.

570
00:24:18,036 --> 00:24:19,316
Speaker 5: Back to what we were saying about as far as

571
00:24:19,356 --> 00:24:23,316
Speaker 5: the writing stuff, so like during that time, I didn't

572
00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:25,876
Speaker 5: realize that I was doing that. It was more or

573
00:24:25,956 --> 00:24:29,716
Speaker 5: less like Okay, well we're here and we're just going

574
00:24:29,796 --> 00:24:33,396
Speaker 5: to keep busy. So if he wasn't engaging. I would

575
00:24:33,396 --> 00:24:35,076
Speaker 5: just be like, Okay, here's an idea, kamany, let's go

576
00:24:35,116 --> 00:24:36,956
Speaker 5: boo boo boom, and then we'd just start working on stuff.

577
00:24:36,956 --> 00:24:39,316
Speaker 5: But before you knew it, we had like almost the

578
00:24:39,356 --> 00:24:42,356
Speaker 5: albums worth the material that where a lot of it.

579
00:24:42,396 --> 00:24:45,116
Speaker 5: He didn't spearhead because of what he was going through whatever.

580
00:24:45,196 --> 00:24:48,996
Speaker 5: So so in hindsight, yes, there was a lot more

581
00:24:49,036 --> 00:24:50,916
Speaker 5: I think where I picked up the slack on whatever.

582
00:24:50,996 --> 00:24:52,836
Speaker 4: But I enjoyed doing it too.

583
00:24:52,876 --> 00:24:55,636
Speaker 5: I mean, I love writing music and I love playing

584
00:24:55,636 --> 00:24:58,836
Speaker 5: with Abe and the other guy. So and it wasn't

585
00:24:58,876 --> 00:25:01,036
Speaker 5: like a thing where I wasn't mad about it and

586
00:25:01,076 --> 00:25:03,596
Speaker 5: he wasn't. Now I mean I obvious see it took

587
00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:06,156
Speaker 5: him a while because he was I think before he

588
00:25:06,476 --> 00:25:08,556
Speaker 5: knew what was going on and whatever, he was like

589
00:25:09,516 --> 00:25:11,236
Speaker 5: and he's always going to maybe have been away where

590
00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:14,476
Speaker 5: he's never really told me that. But it was weird

591
00:25:14,476 --> 00:25:17,036
Speaker 5: when we did the Zanelow interview. He in the middle

592
00:25:17,036 --> 00:25:19,396
Speaker 5: of the interview, he's like, I just want to say that,

593
00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:21,876
Speaker 5: you know, Gino like really stepped up and he really

594
00:25:21,916 --> 00:25:23,796
Speaker 5: like came through and blah blah, and he's like and

595
00:25:23,836 --> 00:25:26,356
Speaker 5: that was the first time he ever like like complimented

596
00:25:26,396 --> 00:25:28,796
Speaker 5: me or like our knowledge that, like you know, all

597
00:25:28,836 --> 00:25:31,076
Speaker 5: the hard work that I put into the to the

598
00:25:31,076 --> 00:25:33,836
Speaker 5: writing and stuff like that whatever. So like like I

599
00:25:33,916 --> 00:25:36,516
Speaker 5: kind of got like a little you know, teared up

600
00:25:36,556 --> 00:25:38,916
Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean funny the camera panned away

601
00:25:38,916 --> 00:25:40,636
Speaker 5: from you because you can't see, but I'm there with

602
00:25:40,676 --> 00:25:43,556
Speaker 5: my mouth open, just like whoa, like thank you for

603
00:25:43,756 --> 00:25:44,476
Speaker 5: technowledging that.

604
00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:45,676
Speaker 3: Oh that's so sweet?

605
00:25:45,916 --> 00:25:47,996
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, I mean I was just it was it

606
00:25:48,036 --> 00:25:50,116
Speaker 5: was like a you know, sentimental moment between friends.

607
00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:51,596
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a cool interview.

608
00:25:51,596 --> 00:25:51,876
Speaker 4: I liked.

609
00:25:51,916 --> 00:25:54,716
Speaker 2: That was just cool seeing you all together when you're

610
00:25:54,836 --> 00:25:57,516
Speaker 2: in the studio, are you sort of I don't know

611
00:25:57,516 --> 00:26:02,316
Speaker 2: if you saw the Beatles Get Back documentary, Oh yeah great.

612
00:26:02,756 --> 00:26:04,996
Speaker 5: It was long, but it was like worth watching, especially

613
00:26:04,996 --> 00:26:07,836
Speaker 5: if you're a musician. Like watching how they work and

614
00:26:07,916 --> 00:26:10,116
Speaker 5: their dynamic between the guys, it was like.

615
00:26:10,196 --> 00:26:12,756
Speaker 2: It turned them into real people for me, Like I

616
00:26:12,756 --> 00:26:15,356
Speaker 2: didn't think of them as real people. It's like I

617
00:26:15,476 --> 00:26:18,156
Speaker 2: understood their personalities and how they worked together and I

618
00:26:18,236 --> 00:26:22,436
Speaker 2: had no idea, Like seeing Paul's roll, how he stepped

619
00:26:22,476 --> 00:26:25,196
Speaker 2: up and he totally was like the task master and

620
00:26:25,236 --> 00:26:26,476
Speaker 2: he's like the band leader.

621
00:26:27,196 --> 00:26:30,116
Speaker 5: It's Orecm there like like George and they're just like

622
00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:32,956
Speaker 5: showing his rifts and stuff too, and you're just yeah, WHOA,

623
00:26:33,236 --> 00:26:35,836
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, I just love watching it because

624
00:26:35,836 --> 00:26:39,276
Speaker 5: it's it's pretty funny because like most bands are the same,

625
00:26:39,436 --> 00:26:41,876
Speaker 5: Like we all like there's so many cliches, like we

626
00:26:41,956 --> 00:26:44,476
Speaker 5: all do the same shit, and like relationship wise, and

627
00:26:44,556 --> 00:26:47,436
Speaker 5: like the kind of fight for you know this like

628
00:26:47,516 --> 00:26:50,476
Speaker 5: underlying fight for like you know, who's kind of steering

629
00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:54,156
Speaker 5: the ship sometimes, right, yes, And there's like with the

630
00:26:54,156 --> 00:26:57,476
Speaker 5: Beatles especially, there's like there's a lot of great songwriting

631
00:26:57,556 --> 00:27:00,236
Speaker 5: amongst all of them individually, right, So it's like how

632
00:27:00,236 --> 00:27:02,676
Speaker 5: they made that work and how like you got to

633
00:27:02,716 --> 00:27:04,916
Speaker 5: pick your battles and then you have to sometimes like

634
00:27:04,996 --> 00:27:07,436
Speaker 5: not say what you're thinking and then sometimes also like

635
00:27:07,716 --> 00:27:10,076
Speaker 5: tiptoe around certain things because as you know, that might

636
00:27:10,116 --> 00:27:12,396
Speaker 5: trigger somebody or this or that whatever. Try to get

637
00:27:12,396 --> 00:27:15,356
Speaker 5: your ideas heard, but like not take you know, not

638
00:27:15,436 --> 00:27:17,636
Speaker 5: dictate what everybody should be doing. Let people come up

639
00:27:17,676 --> 00:27:19,956
Speaker 5: with their own parts. And it's a part of being

640
00:27:19,996 --> 00:27:22,476
Speaker 5: in a band. It's like you know, it's like, yeah,

641
00:27:22,596 --> 00:27:26,516
Speaker 5: it's definitely like psychological like work.

642
00:27:26,756 --> 00:27:29,036
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, but I was thinking about that,

643
00:27:29,156 --> 00:27:32,956
Speaker 2: like picturing you now in the sessions for this new album,

644
00:27:33,076 --> 00:27:35,076
Speaker 2: Like are you sort of like the Paul McCartney of

645
00:27:35,116 --> 00:27:38,396
Speaker 2: the group. I don't know about that, Like as far

646
00:27:38,436 --> 00:27:43,316
Speaker 2: as you're like getting everybody in order, like organizing the chaos.

647
00:27:43,556 --> 00:27:44,276
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so.

648
00:27:45,356 --> 00:27:48,036
Speaker 5: I mean, we have a producer there that, especially with

649
00:27:48,076 --> 00:27:51,596
Speaker 5: this with this record, Nick Rasky Lenox, who did this record.

650
00:27:51,636 --> 00:27:52,756
Speaker 4: He also did a couple of workers.

651
00:27:52,756 --> 00:27:54,956
Speaker 5: But one of the main reasons why aside from him

652
00:27:54,996 --> 00:27:57,396
Speaker 5: being a great producer, but one of the main reasons

653
00:27:57,556 --> 00:28:00,236
Speaker 5: for hiring him for this, for this record specifically, was

654
00:28:00,796 --> 00:28:04,556
Speaker 5: for him to take on that role, you know, kind

655
00:28:04,596 --> 00:28:08,316
Speaker 5: of take some of that off my plate, because you know,

656
00:28:08,636 --> 00:28:13,076
Speaker 5: as much the band does trust me on certain things whatever,

657
00:28:13,156 --> 00:28:15,156
Speaker 5: I still don't want to be the person that that's

658
00:28:15,196 --> 00:28:18,236
Speaker 5: always kind of dictating like where we're going, what we're doing,

659
00:28:18,236 --> 00:28:20,636
Speaker 5: and Okay, we're working on this song now or whatever,

660
00:28:20,636 --> 00:28:23,476
Speaker 5: blah blah, and a lot of times they just like

661
00:28:23,516 --> 00:28:25,196
Speaker 5: when we even were at sound checks, like Okay, what song

662
00:28:25,236 --> 00:28:26,076
Speaker 5: are we playing, I'm.

663
00:28:25,876 --> 00:28:27,916
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what song you want to play?

664
00:28:28,556 --> 00:28:30,876
Speaker 5: Like like I don't don't ask me all the time, right,

665
00:28:30,916 --> 00:28:33,076
Speaker 5: I don't want to and I don't get mad about it,

666
00:28:33,116 --> 00:28:36,076
Speaker 5: but it's just like, but it is very helpful to

667
00:28:36,116 --> 00:28:38,596
Speaker 5: have someone else there in the room that sort of

668
00:28:38,756 --> 00:28:42,356
Speaker 5: can just like be the sort of ring leader, right,

669
00:28:42,396 --> 00:28:43,796
Speaker 5: and I can just work on my part.

670
00:28:44,036 --> 00:28:46,556
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I think especially.

671
00:28:46,116 --> 00:28:49,516
Speaker 5: To like I've had like three years of sobriety and

672
00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:52,676
Speaker 5: just like a very clear minded now and focus, so

673
00:28:52,836 --> 00:28:56,516
Speaker 5: like it feels natural for me sometimes to like make

674
00:28:56,516 --> 00:28:58,476
Speaker 5: an order of things and like kind of keep track

675
00:28:58,516 --> 00:29:01,036
Speaker 5: of what's going on whatever. Like my memory is like

676
00:29:01,236 --> 00:29:04,076
Speaker 5: really crisp right now, you know what I mean. Sharp,

677
00:29:04,236 --> 00:29:06,956
Speaker 5: And so I'm able to remember things really well. And

678
00:29:07,876 --> 00:29:10,156
Speaker 5: like if I'm working with a a drum part whatever,

679
00:29:10,396 --> 00:29:13,436
Speaker 5: like like I can like literally like three minutes ago

680
00:29:13,516 --> 00:29:15,076
Speaker 5: you played this, but whatever, blah blah, and He'll be

681
00:29:15,076 --> 00:29:18,396
Speaker 5: like and I'll remember, you know things like or maybe

682
00:29:18,516 --> 00:29:21,236
Speaker 5: you know five years ago I would have not remembered.

683
00:29:21,436 --> 00:29:26,396
Speaker 5: So it's cool to use those things, right, especially when

684
00:29:26,396 --> 00:29:27,556
Speaker 5: we're working in work mode.

685
00:29:27,716 --> 00:29:30,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And it keeps you it keeps you sharp.

686
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:32,436
Speaker 2: I mean, that kind of stuff is just important for

687
00:29:32,516 --> 00:29:34,436
Speaker 2: overall health, for brain.

688
00:29:34,276 --> 00:29:36,596
Speaker 4: Health as we get older, totally.

689
00:29:36,676 --> 00:29:41,316
Speaker 2: You know, now that you're sober, you strike me as

690
00:29:41,316 --> 00:29:46,716
Speaker 2: someone who's sort of romantic and dreamy and emotional. And

691
00:29:46,876 --> 00:29:48,716
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just saying that because of

692
00:29:48,716 --> 00:29:50,516
Speaker 2: the type of music I know that you were into

693
00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:51,276
Speaker 2: as a kid, But.

694
00:29:51,716 --> 00:29:53,556
Speaker 4: That's actually a lot of it. I mean honestly.

695
00:29:53,556 --> 00:29:55,716
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just like a sucker for like all

696
00:29:55,756 --> 00:29:59,876
Speaker 5: the stuff that I loved when I was a teenager. Yeah,

697
00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,996
Speaker 5: and I still like look back to that time in

698
00:30:03,036 --> 00:30:05,196
Speaker 5: my life as being like I can smell you know,

699
00:30:05,276 --> 00:30:08,036
Speaker 5: what the air was like and what like. I'm just

700
00:30:08,076 --> 00:30:10,276
Speaker 5: like really in tune with that time of my life

701
00:30:10,316 --> 00:30:12,436
Speaker 5: and I reflect upon that time of my life a lot.

702
00:30:12,756 --> 00:30:15,156
Speaker 5: And you know what's when I fell in love with music.

703
00:30:15,276 --> 00:30:17,396
Speaker 5: That's when I love That's probably one of the first

704
00:30:17,396 --> 00:30:19,116
Speaker 5: times I had a crush or this or that whatever.

705
00:30:19,436 --> 00:30:21,876
Speaker 5: All those things are like really like milestones of like

706
00:30:22,636 --> 00:30:25,636
Speaker 5: the human experience, So like I always draw from that.

707
00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:28,636
Speaker 3: Would it help you with the substances to like get

708
00:30:28,636 --> 00:30:31,316
Speaker 3: deeper into those feelings or can you still go there now?

709
00:30:31,356 --> 00:30:31,996
Speaker 3: Being sober?

710
00:30:32,316 --> 00:30:34,316
Speaker 5: Well, you know what I thought, I was like a

711
00:30:34,316 --> 00:30:36,676
Speaker 5: big lie. I think I kind of fooled myself into

712
00:30:36,676 --> 00:30:39,796
Speaker 5: believing that it was right. But yeah, but just created

713
00:30:39,876 --> 00:30:43,036
Speaker 5: being creative in general, Like you soon figure out that like, yeah,

714
00:30:43,076 --> 00:30:44,916
Speaker 5: I didn't need all that. I mean, not that I

715
00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:48,756
Speaker 5: didn't make good music, like you know, being altered here

716
00:30:48,756 --> 00:30:51,676
Speaker 5: and there, but and a lot of great music has

717
00:30:51,716 --> 00:30:54,996
Speaker 5: been made that way or with being influenced by mine,

718
00:30:54,956 --> 00:30:58,316
Speaker 5: altering substance whatever, but the fact that you know, you

719
00:30:58,396 --> 00:31:00,356
Speaker 5: go through your whole life because I was pretty much

720
00:31:00,356 --> 00:31:02,116
Speaker 5: since high school, I've been you know, like I was

721
00:31:02,116 --> 00:31:04,436
Speaker 5: telling her, really just drinking beers and whatever. I never

722
00:31:05,036 --> 00:31:08,116
Speaker 5: made music, you know, without that. So it was scary

723
00:31:08,156 --> 00:31:10,316
Speaker 5: at first, right to think can I do this? Is

724
00:31:10,316 --> 00:31:12,676
Speaker 5: it possible? And then once you do it, you're like.

725
00:31:12,636 --> 00:31:14,756
Speaker 4: Oh, of course it is, and yeah that's good.

726
00:31:14,996 --> 00:31:17,436
Speaker 5: All the clarity like I was talking about earlier comes

727
00:31:17,436 --> 00:31:19,036
Speaker 5: along and then it's like, oh well, I'm even like

728
00:31:19,876 --> 00:31:21,236
Speaker 5: I can do this, and I can do this, and

729
00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:24,636
Speaker 5: you just start to get it's it's everything's more in focus,

730
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:26,876
Speaker 5: and then you can make sense of things a lot easier.

731
00:31:26,876 --> 00:31:29,436
Speaker 5: And but yeah, I mean I still get lost though, too.

732
00:31:29,476 --> 00:31:31,716
Speaker 5: I got I get I get lost in a good

733
00:31:31,756 --> 00:31:35,636
Speaker 5: melody and a good you know story. I mean, I

734
00:31:35,676 --> 00:31:37,916
Speaker 5: watch rom coms. That's that's one thing I do still

735
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:40,236
Speaker 5: like on the bus every night when I go whatever.

736
00:31:40,716 --> 00:31:44,836
Speaker 4: I just like like romantic stories too.

737
00:31:45,196 --> 00:31:47,276
Speaker 3: What's the last rom com you've seen that's really good?

738
00:31:47,756 --> 00:31:49,756
Speaker 5: I mean I like dumb movies too, I like h

739
00:31:50,436 --> 00:31:54,156
Speaker 5: like Proposal stuff like that. Like I love some j

740
00:31:54,236 --> 00:31:57,996
Speaker 5: Lo movies. I love Yeah and Hathaway movies. I'll watch

741
00:31:58,036 --> 00:32:00,636
Speaker 5: like all this like I don't know, yeah, I don't

742
00:32:00,636 --> 00:32:02,476
Speaker 5: know why. I just like like those movies. I kind

743
00:32:02,516 --> 00:32:04,916
Speaker 5: of like like turn off part of my brain. I

744
00:32:04,916 --> 00:32:06,516
Speaker 5: guess whatever, and just like I don't know.

745
00:32:06,716 --> 00:32:09,356
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I want to ask you because I I know,

746
00:32:09,716 --> 00:32:12,156
Speaker 2: like as when you were a kid growing up, it

747
00:32:12,156 --> 00:32:13,836
Speaker 2: seems like with the band, you all of a sudden

748
00:32:13,916 --> 00:32:17,516
Speaker 2: just made the jump and became a singer. Did you

749
00:32:17,596 --> 00:32:20,156
Speaker 2: sing at all as a kid? Like were you inquire?

750
00:32:20,596 --> 00:32:24,276
Speaker 2: Were you like singing around the house, Like was it unexpected?

751
00:32:24,316 --> 00:32:26,036
Speaker 2: Like were your parents surprised at all of a sudden

752
00:32:26,076 --> 00:32:27,596
Speaker 2: you were a singer in a band?

753
00:32:28,196 --> 00:32:30,356
Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, especially because I was shy too,

754
00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:33,276
Speaker 5: like pretty shy when I was young, So like I

755
00:32:33,276 --> 00:32:37,756
Speaker 5: would sing along to records, but just to myself, right,

756
00:32:38,596 --> 00:32:40,876
Speaker 5: not in front of people. So it was kind of

757
00:32:40,876 --> 00:32:43,796
Speaker 5: out of nowhere, and really I wanted to I wanted

758
00:32:43,796 --> 00:32:45,716
Speaker 5: to play the drums. To me, that seemed like the

759
00:32:45,716 --> 00:32:47,996
Speaker 5: funnest thing ever, just like bang on these drums. I

760
00:32:48,036 --> 00:32:50,676
Speaker 5: really loved rhythm that I still do. But yeah, I

761
00:32:50,716 --> 00:32:52,236
Speaker 5: met Ad when I was in junior high school and

762
00:32:52,276 --> 00:32:54,916
Speaker 5: he was already like a brilliant drummer, like you know.

763
00:32:55,036 --> 00:32:56,956
Speaker 4: At twelve years older. I don't know what you were.

764
00:32:57,556 --> 00:33:00,036
Speaker 5: So so I needed to find something to do if

765
00:33:00,076 --> 00:33:02,356
Speaker 5: I wanted to be in the band with everybody. So yeah,

766
00:33:02,516 --> 00:33:04,596
Speaker 5: Stephan actually he's the one who's like, oh, You're gonna

767
00:33:04,596 --> 00:33:07,036
Speaker 5: be the singer and I was like okay, and he

768
00:33:07,156 --> 00:33:09,116
Speaker 5: said he actually said that, He's like I heard you.

769
00:33:09,356 --> 00:33:13,076
Speaker 5: How are you singing along with Danzig record or something whatever?

770
00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,476
Speaker 5: Before he day you could sing? And I was like

771
00:33:14,956 --> 00:33:17,476
Speaker 5: like like yeah, I was like okay. So it was

772
00:33:17,476 --> 00:33:19,716
Speaker 5: like kind of cool that, like, you know, he made

773
00:33:19,756 --> 00:33:22,156
Speaker 5: me believe that I could sing, and I really couldn't.

774
00:33:22,236 --> 00:33:24,276
Speaker 5: I mean, it was really like trial by error a

775
00:33:24,316 --> 00:33:26,676
Speaker 5: lot of it, you know, And it's kind of still is.

776
00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:28,636
Speaker 5: I mean, I still don't really know what I'm doing.

777
00:33:29,196 --> 00:33:31,316
Speaker 5: I just kind of I don't know, I guess just

778
00:33:31,356 --> 00:33:33,836
Speaker 5: figured out as I'm going still to this day.

779
00:33:34,116 --> 00:33:36,396
Speaker 3: Have you ever taken any lessons, like vocal lessons or

780
00:33:36,396 --> 00:33:37,116
Speaker 3: anything like that.

781
00:33:37,276 --> 00:33:39,316
Speaker 5: I did try at one point, and it was it

782
00:33:39,356 --> 00:33:42,556
Speaker 5: was it was just super awkward. I probably should have

783
00:33:42,556 --> 00:33:44,036
Speaker 5: stuck with it, but I but it was most things

784
00:33:44,036 --> 00:33:46,556
Speaker 5: where like I didn't like the and maybe it was

785
00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:48,956
Speaker 5: the teacher because like, you know, just probably like therapy,

786
00:33:48,996 --> 00:33:50,796
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, you have one bad experience and

787
00:33:50,796 --> 00:33:53,436
Speaker 5: then you can't say that it's all bad.

788
00:33:53,556 --> 00:33:53,756
Speaker 4: You know.

789
00:33:53,796 --> 00:33:56,636
Speaker 5: Maybe it was just the actual thing, but it was

790
00:33:56,676 --> 00:33:59,076
Speaker 5: like it just felt really awkward to me. It was

791
00:33:59,076 --> 00:34:01,676
Speaker 5: like it's like they were trying to teach me how

792
00:34:01,716 --> 00:34:04,596
Speaker 5: to sing a certain way that just didn't feel like

793
00:34:04,916 --> 00:34:08,596
Speaker 5: natural to me. Yeah, I've always sort of just just

794
00:34:08,716 --> 00:34:13,476
Speaker 5: respond did, like sonically to what the music is kind

795
00:34:13,516 --> 00:34:15,476
Speaker 5: of you know, dishing out of me, and this is

796
00:34:15,516 --> 00:34:18,436
Speaker 5: what I'm w I'm responding with this sound. So like

797
00:34:18,476 --> 00:34:20,236
Speaker 5: if I was thinking too hard about it, I'd be like, well,

798
00:34:20,236 --> 00:34:22,116
Speaker 5: this doesn't even it's not even fun. It doesn't I

799
00:34:22,156 --> 00:34:25,596
Speaker 5: don't feel like I'm I'm naturally wanting to do. So

800
00:34:25,676 --> 00:34:27,676
Speaker 5: that was my excuse for not going back whatever, But

801
00:34:27,716 --> 00:34:29,916
Speaker 5: I'm sure there are techniques that I should.

802
00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:32,476
Speaker 4: Probably not not too old to learn. I mean I

803
00:34:32,836 --> 00:34:34,636
Speaker 4: did take from that.

804
00:34:34,716 --> 00:34:36,116
Speaker 5: I did take a lot of these like kind of

805
00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:38,316
Speaker 5: warm up exercises and things like that that are important

806
00:34:38,316 --> 00:34:39,076
Speaker 5: that I still use.

807
00:34:39,476 --> 00:34:40,916
Speaker 3: What do you do to protect your voice?

808
00:34:40,916 --> 00:34:43,036
Speaker 2: I know at one point you had like some serious

809
00:34:43,116 --> 00:34:47,036
Speaker 2: vocal issues just from screaming on stage, Like, well.

810
00:34:46,916 --> 00:34:47,956
Speaker 4: It could be transparent.

811
00:34:47,996 --> 00:34:49,756
Speaker 5: I think it was some scream but a lot of

812
00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:52,876
Speaker 5: just like living wild too, like you know, drugs and

813
00:34:52,956 --> 00:34:56,276
Speaker 5: alcohol and whatever and like not sleeping and you know,

814
00:34:56,556 --> 00:34:59,196
Speaker 5: and so I think I just liked whatever. But I've

815
00:34:59,236 --> 00:35:02,796
Speaker 5: noticed like the biggest thing for me is like proper sleep,

816
00:35:03,516 --> 00:35:06,276
Speaker 5: lots of fluids. I drink a lot of water, tea,

817
00:35:06,796 --> 00:35:09,036
Speaker 5: And there's really nothing I can do as far as

818
00:35:09,356 --> 00:35:13,076
Speaker 5: because I do scream and I do sing, and I

819
00:35:13,156 --> 00:35:15,636
Speaker 5: do it straight for you know, an hour and a

820
00:35:15,676 --> 00:35:19,116
Speaker 5: half two hours, you know, at night, and physically like

821
00:35:19,156 --> 00:35:22,156
Speaker 5: you have to rest. So it's like that's the main thing.

822
00:35:22,196 --> 00:35:24,916
Speaker 5: It's like after the show, I'm usually quiet. I usually

823
00:35:24,916 --> 00:35:26,876
Speaker 5: go on the bus and I don't talk much. Yeah,

824
00:35:26,916 --> 00:35:29,156
Speaker 5: And I'm really like I really love getting good I sleep.

825
00:35:29,196 --> 00:35:31,516
Speaker 5: And now that I don't drink, like I sleep really well,

826
00:35:31,636 --> 00:35:34,156
Speaker 5: and so yeah, waking up and feeling invigorated and then

827
00:35:34,316 --> 00:35:36,716
Speaker 5: kind of just like you know, do a little little

828
00:35:36,756 --> 00:35:37,116
Speaker 5: warm up.

829
00:35:37,116 --> 00:35:38,116
Speaker 4: I warm up in the shower.

830
00:35:38,476 --> 00:35:40,036
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

831
00:35:40,076 --> 00:35:42,556
Speaker 2: What do you do to sort of like get yourself

832
00:35:43,076 --> 00:35:46,476
Speaker 2: in the headspace and just like physically get ready to

833
00:35:46,476 --> 00:35:48,716
Speaker 2: be on stage and just to give all that energy.

834
00:35:49,436 --> 00:35:53,116
Speaker 4: Yeah. So music is always something that's like like gears

835
00:35:53,116 --> 00:35:54,956
Speaker 4: me up. So I listen.

836
00:35:54,996 --> 00:35:56,956
Speaker 5: I listen to music, and then I also make playlists

837
00:35:56,956 --> 00:35:59,636
Speaker 5: every day, which is really fun. So there's like a

838
00:35:59,716 --> 00:36:03,116
Speaker 5: thirty five minute time where they change over from the

839
00:36:03,476 --> 00:36:05,876
Speaker 5: band before us to when we go on. So so

840
00:36:05,956 --> 00:36:09,276
Speaker 5: I make a thirty five minute playlist that plays in

841
00:36:09,396 --> 00:36:12,156
Speaker 5: my dressing room, but it also plays in the in

842
00:36:12,196 --> 00:36:14,276
Speaker 5: the venue, and so the crowd here is what I'm

843
00:36:14,276 --> 00:36:15,116
Speaker 5: hearing backstage.

844
00:36:15,156 --> 00:36:16,036
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.

845
00:36:16,236 --> 00:36:17,636
Speaker 5: It's kind of neat because I kind of feel like

846
00:36:17,636 --> 00:36:19,676
Speaker 5: it maybe puts us all in the same sort of

847
00:36:19,676 --> 00:36:22,996
Speaker 5: frame of mind before like the show show totally it

848
00:36:23,076 --> 00:36:23,756
Speaker 5: and it changes.

849
00:36:23,796 --> 00:36:26,076
Speaker 4: It's always like a pretty wild mix of stuff whatever.

850
00:36:26,116 --> 00:36:29,196
Speaker 5: But they tell me like three two one play, I'll

851
00:36:29,196 --> 00:36:32,276
Speaker 5: play it in my dressing room and it'll be playing

852
00:36:32,316 --> 00:36:34,796
Speaker 5: in the in the venue. And then I get in

853
00:36:34,796 --> 00:36:36,876
Speaker 5: the shower. Right then, the shower sort of just like

854
00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:39,236
Speaker 5: regenerates me. I think a little bit the steam helped

855
00:36:39,276 --> 00:36:42,036
Speaker 5: with my voice. Yeah, and then I get dressed, brush

856
00:36:42,076 --> 00:36:45,396
Speaker 5: my teeth, and then I'll do maybe I'll do some

857
00:36:45,596 --> 00:36:48,436
Speaker 5: push ups or whatever. I have a little rolling a

858
00:36:48,476 --> 00:36:49,036
Speaker 5: pham roller.

859
00:36:49,396 --> 00:36:52,356
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stretch on that nice.

860
00:36:52,476 --> 00:36:54,276
Speaker 5: Yeah, just kind of maybe some jumping jacks and just

861
00:36:54,316 --> 00:36:56,356
Speaker 5: kind of like hide myself up. That's pretty much it.

862
00:36:56,956 --> 00:36:58,796
Speaker 3: And then what do you do when you get off stage?

863
00:36:58,836 --> 00:36:59,836
Speaker 3: Like how do you come down?

864
00:37:00,636 --> 00:37:01,076
Speaker 4: Same thing?

865
00:37:01,196 --> 00:37:03,676
Speaker 5: Shower right away. I think the shower in vigorates before

866
00:37:03,676 --> 00:37:05,156
Speaker 5: the show. And then obviously when I got stage, I'm

867
00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:07,396
Speaker 5: soaking wet. Usually just get in the shower and then

868
00:37:07,436 --> 00:37:11,836
Speaker 5: you know, put on dry clothes. And usually they bring

869
00:37:11,876 --> 00:37:15,156
Speaker 5: me food in because I don't eat usually like I

870
00:37:15,156 --> 00:37:17,076
Speaker 5: don't know, four to five hours before we go on stage,

871
00:37:17,076 --> 00:37:19,996
Speaker 5: because that's weird. But I'm never hungry when I get

872
00:37:19,996 --> 00:37:22,156
Speaker 5: off stage too, So yeah, get me fooded, and I'm

873
00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:23,636
Speaker 5: always just like just take it to the bus. I'll

874
00:37:23,636 --> 00:37:26,676
Speaker 5: eat it later. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, but

875
00:37:26,676 --> 00:37:29,156
Speaker 5: but yeah, I usually call home and check in and

876
00:37:29,196 --> 00:37:32,436
Speaker 5: then I've been going to pretty much straight you know,

877
00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:34,916
Speaker 5: to the bus. I'm pretty boring, man, I don't like

878
00:37:34,956 --> 00:37:37,316
Speaker 5: it's not as crazy as at least it was at

879
00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:40,596
Speaker 5: one time, right, Yeah. I don't drink anymore, so it's like,

880
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,236
Speaker 5: you know, I don't have the need to like go

881
00:37:42,356 --> 00:37:44,116
Speaker 5: out and socialize too much.

882
00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:47,636
Speaker 2: Yes, Are you like peopled out at that point? Like

883
00:37:47,676 --> 00:37:48,956
Speaker 2: do you want to be by yourself?

884
00:37:49,356 --> 00:37:49,676
Speaker 4: Kind of?

885
00:37:50,036 --> 00:37:50,276
Speaker 3: Yeah?

886
00:37:50,316 --> 00:37:52,436
Speaker 5: I mean I really do enjoy like the silence of

887
00:37:52,836 --> 00:37:56,316
Speaker 5: just like you know, being on the bus and it's

888
00:37:56,396 --> 00:37:59,316
Speaker 5: just on our bus now it's just myself stuff and

889
00:37:59,636 --> 00:38:03,076
Speaker 5: then our assistant and our photographer, so it's just four

890
00:38:03,076 --> 00:38:03,556
Speaker 5: of us on there.

891
00:38:03,596 --> 00:38:04,476
Speaker 4: So it's really quiet.

892
00:38:04,676 --> 00:38:05,076
Speaker 3: Nice.

893
00:38:05,316 --> 00:38:09,516
Speaker 5: Yeah, watch movies, play video games, kind of just really

894
00:38:09,516 --> 00:38:10,196
Speaker 5: really relax.

895
00:38:10,916 --> 00:38:13,276
Speaker 2: When you call home and you talk to family, Like

896
00:38:13,276 --> 00:38:14,796
Speaker 2: if you talk to your wife or whatever, like do

897
00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:16,716
Speaker 2: you tell her about the show or do you just

898
00:38:16,756 --> 00:38:18,516
Speaker 2: talk about regular stuff?

899
00:38:18,716 --> 00:38:20,796
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean she always asked me how was your show?

900
00:38:20,876 --> 00:38:22,356
Speaker 5: And like, my it's like, you know, when somebody ask

901
00:38:22,436 --> 00:38:24,076
Speaker 5: how are you always say oh, fine, you know, at

902
00:38:24,076 --> 00:38:25,996
Speaker 5: the show, whether there's stuff going on, I always.

903
00:38:25,796 --> 00:38:27,556
Speaker 4: Just say, oh it was fine. Yeah. I won't get

904
00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:29,556
Speaker 4: into too many details of it. The show's happened.

905
00:38:29,556 --> 00:38:32,156
Speaker 5: Great, But but you know, sometimes there'll be a little

906
00:38:32,196 --> 00:38:35,036
Speaker 5: like an audio thing or something will go haywire. Like

907
00:38:35,156 --> 00:38:37,516
Speaker 5: last night we were playing a show and there's a

908
00:38:37,996 --> 00:38:39,956
Speaker 5: few songs that I played guitar on that I use

909
00:38:40,036 --> 00:38:43,076
Speaker 5: the RF mic on, and it wasn't turned on, so

910
00:38:43,156 --> 00:38:45,116
Speaker 5: like the first verse, I'm like singing into it, and

911
00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:47,116
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, there's nothing coming out of this. So

912
00:38:47,156 --> 00:38:49,316
Speaker 5: that you know, Tech runs on stage and he goes

913
00:38:49,316 --> 00:38:51,796
Speaker 5: and he like turns the mic on. Okay, there you go.

914
00:38:51,796 --> 00:38:54,076
Speaker 5: It wasn't turned on, but so like.

915
00:38:54,156 --> 00:38:56,436
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, dude, one oh one, yeah, turn

916
00:38:56,476 --> 00:38:56,636
Speaker 3: it on.

917
00:38:57,396 --> 00:38:57,516
Speaker 4: You know.

918
00:38:57,556 --> 00:38:59,236
Speaker 5: It's one of the things where like I think years

919
00:38:59,236 --> 00:39:01,356
Speaker 5: and years ago, I probably would have like lost it,

920
00:39:01,436 --> 00:39:04,116
Speaker 5: you know, where Yeah, I think my patience is like

921
00:39:04,956 --> 00:39:06,636
Speaker 5: a little better these days where I'm just like, Okay,

922
00:39:06,636 --> 00:39:10,196
Speaker 5: shit happens, and and uh just laugh it off, and

923
00:39:10,676 --> 00:39:12,756
Speaker 5: you know, I think people understand. I think I think

924
00:39:12,796 --> 00:39:14,556
Speaker 5: probably back in the day, I would have like maybe

925
00:39:14,556 --> 00:39:17,956
Speaker 5: felt embarrassed or like just Matt exactly like that's one

926
00:39:17,996 --> 00:39:20,116
Speaker 5: on one, What the hell I got mad about it? Whatever,

927
00:39:20,156 --> 00:39:22,276
Speaker 5: But it's like it's a mistake, and yeah, it was

928
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,596
Speaker 5: like the first half of the verse was.

929
00:39:24,516 --> 00:39:27,076
Speaker 2: Not there, but yeah, and it's probably like so loud

930
00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:30,756
Speaker 2: in there anyway, Like maybe people don't really notice, you know,

931
00:39:30,996 --> 00:39:31,236
Speaker 2: Oh I.

932
00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:34,996
Speaker 4: Think they realized. Oh really yeah, yeah, I think they

933
00:39:35,036 --> 00:39:35,756
Speaker 4: definitely realized.

934
00:39:35,756 --> 00:39:39,756
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's part of the live experience though. It's

935
00:39:39,876 --> 00:39:43,156
Speaker 2: nice to see, like, you know, bloopers and stuff like.

936
00:39:43,036 --> 00:39:45,636
Speaker 4: That that we don't you know, use playback. How about that?

937
00:39:46,876 --> 00:39:49,316
Speaker 1: Well, let's break when we're back with Lea Rose's conversation

938
00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:50,556
Speaker 1: with Gina Moreno.

939
00:39:55,316 --> 00:39:58,596
Speaker 2: Going back to the Deftones album covers, what are your

940
00:39:58,756 --> 00:40:01,596
Speaker 2: would you say or your top five favorite album covers

941
00:40:01,636 --> 00:40:02,436
Speaker 2: from Deaftones?

942
00:40:02,916 --> 00:40:06,796
Speaker 5: From Deaftones, I like the Quino Yo Kan cover, which

943
00:40:06,836 --> 00:40:10,276
Speaker 5: is a photo taken by the the artist Futura.

944
00:40:10,756 --> 00:40:11,316
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

945
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:14,596
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like he we had talked with him

946
00:40:14,596 --> 00:40:17,836
Speaker 5: about designing an album cover for us, and then we

947
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,236
Speaker 5: did a couple of different things, but ended up just

948
00:40:20,276 --> 00:40:23,316
Speaker 5: gravitating towards this photo of his, which was like he

949
00:40:23,396 --> 00:40:26,476
Speaker 5: took it in this hotel somewhere in China or something.

950
00:40:26,996 --> 00:40:29,236
Speaker 4: But the picture itself, like you can't really tell. It

951
00:40:29,276 --> 00:40:30,836
Speaker 4: almost looks like outer space.

952
00:40:30,876 --> 00:40:32,916
Speaker 5: It's just like it's really like you got there at

953
00:40:32,916 --> 00:40:34,276
Speaker 5: it whatever and kind of figure out what if it's

954
00:40:34,276 --> 00:40:36,356
Speaker 5: the actual place and it's like I think it's a

955
00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:39,076
Speaker 5: view through this class through towards the elevator or something.

956
00:40:39,116 --> 00:40:42,356
Speaker 5: But I just it looks kind of otherworldly and and

957
00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:44,636
Speaker 5: it's just like it's pretty and I like that cover

958
00:40:44,716 --> 00:40:44,996
Speaker 5: a lot.

959
00:40:46,396 --> 00:40:49,356
Speaker 4: What else? What are the album cover do? I like?

960
00:40:49,676 --> 00:40:51,476
Speaker 3: What about around the fur Man?

961
00:40:51,596 --> 00:40:52,436
Speaker 4: Honestly, like.

962
00:40:54,036 --> 00:40:56,356
Speaker 5: Now I can appreciate it whatever, but like you know,

963
00:40:57,236 --> 00:41:00,636
Speaker 5: and it's so weird that like even like as far

964
00:41:00,636 --> 00:41:02,516
Speaker 5: as like our merchandise goes, like that T shirt with

965
00:41:02,556 --> 00:41:03,996
Speaker 5: that album cover on it, like it is like one

966
00:41:04,036 --> 00:41:06,116
Speaker 5: of the biggest sellers, like so many, but it's such

967
00:41:06,116 --> 00:41:08,116
Speaker 5: a random photo and it makes no sense at all.

968
00:41:08,116 --> 00:41:10,916
Speaker 5: And it was, honestly just like we were our photographer.

969
00:41:10,996 --> 00:41:13,356
Speaker 5: The guy who was doing all our photos for that record,

970
00:41:13,436 --> 00:41:17,356
Speaker 5: this guy named Rick Cassick, and he was from this

971
00:41:17,556 --> 00:41:20,396
Speaker 5: magazine big brother from It was a skate magazine, and

972
00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:22,036
Speaker 5: he and they ended up going out to do like

973
00:41:22,116 --> 00:41:23,316
Speaker 5: Jackass and all that stuff whatever.

974
00:41:23,476 --> 00:41:25,076
Speaker 4: So he's like in all the Jackasses stuff like that.

975
00:41:25,196 --> 00:41:27,916
Speaker 5: But he was like the videographer photographer, and he was

976
00:41:27,956 --> 00:41:30,716
Speaker 5: a good friend of ours, and he came to Seattle

977
00:41:30,756 --> 00:41:33,556
Speaker 5: when we were recording that record, and he took all

978
00:41:33,596 --> 00:41:36,076
Speaker 5: the a bunch of photos of us and then just

979
00:41:36,116 --> 00:41:39,276
Speaker 5: photos of us hanging out like outside of the studio.

980
00:41:39,796 --> 00:41:43,156
Speaker 5: So that record we were like all like twenty two,

981
00:41:43,236 --> 00:41:46,156
Speaker 5: maybe we were still pretty young, and like when I

982
00:41:46,196 --> 00:41:48,596
Speaker 5: look back at that record, it was like I don't

983
00:41:48,596 --> 00:41:51,716
Speaker 5: remember hardly any of actually like recording the record, I

984
00:41:51,756 --> 00:41:52,956
Speaker 5: remember everything.

985
00:41:52,636 --> 00:41:55,316
Speaker 4: Outside of it, Like just like we were just like wild, like.

986
00:41:55,276 --> 00:41:58,796
Speaker 5: Out every night, partying, driving around, listening to the roughs

987
00:41:58,796 --> 00:42:03,356
Speaker 5: from the day and like that album cover was like

988
00:42:03,596 --> 00:42:06,556
Speaker 5: after the we had like this jacuzzi at our apartment,

989
00:42:06,596 --> 00:42:09,076
Speaker 5: the same one that were me and Haven and stuff,

990
00:42:09,276 --> 00:42:12,836
Speaker 5: and we have the answer machine. Think there was a yeah,

991
00:42:13,236 --> 00:42:14,356
Speaker 5: a hot tub downstairs.

992
00:42:14,356 --> 00:42:14,596
Speaker 4: Whatever.

993
00:42:14,636 --> 00:42:16,716
Speaker 5: So every night we'd like, you know, after at the

994
00:42:16,796 --> 00:42:18,596
Speaker 5: end of the night, after all our bar happened, we'd

995
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:20,596
Speaker 5: go with everybody we'd meet from the bar, let's go

996
00:42:20,636 --> 00:42:21,196
Speaker 5: back to our players.

997
00:42:21,196 --> 00:42:21,956
Speaker 4: We're gonna gota.

998
00:42:22,196 --> 00:42:24,836
Speaker 5: And that photo was just like from a random night

999
00:42:24,876 --> 00:42:26,676
Speaker 5: there or whatever, and it was like it got mixed

1000
00:42:26,716 --> 00:42:29,116
Speaker 5: in with all the other photos from the thing. So

1001
00:42:29,196 --> 00:42:30,996
Speaker 5: when they came and spreading all the photos out for

1002
00:42:30,996 --> 00:42:34,396
Speaker 5: the album cover, that picture was there and like it

1003
00:42:34,436 --> 00:42:37,076
Speaker 5: was literally just like everybody pointed at that one.

1004
00:42:37,476 --> 00:42:38,636
Speaker 3: It's such a cool photo.

1005
00:42:39,276 --> 00:42:43,356
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very nineties too, so nineties, so

1006
00:42:43,396 --> 00:42:45,676
Speaker 4: it like really represents that time. It's kind of funny.

1007
00:42:45,716 --> 00:42:46,836
Speaker 3: Do you know who that girl is?

1008
00:42:47,556 --> 00:42:50,636
Speaker 4: I mean kind of she was.

1009
00:42:50,716 --> 00:42:53,436
Speaker 5: She was a friend who we befriended while we were

1010
00:42:53,436 --> 00:42:55,956
Speaker 5: there in Seattle, and I did see a thing the

1011
00:42:55,996 --> 00:42:56,316
Speaker 5: other day.

1012
00:42:56,316 --> 00:42:57,196
Speaker 4: It was cool that she was.

1013
00:42:57,836 --> 00:42:59,396
Speaker 5: They showed like you know then and now, so it

1014
00:42:59,476 --> 00:43:01,716
Speaker 5: was her Like now, she's probably our age now too,

1015
00:43:01,836 --> 00:43:05,396
Speaker 5: like you know, maybe late forties, early fifties, and she's

1016
00:43:05,396 --> 00:43:07,636
Speaker 5: holding up the album cover and she's like smiling, this

1017
00:43:07,756 --> 00:43:08,996
Speaker 5: is me, you know what I mean? Whatever when she

1018
00:43:09,636 --> 00:43:12,156
Speaker 5: when she was young as well, but who knew, right,

1019
00:43:12,196 --> 00:43:14,476
Speaker 5: It's like that like even when she was asked, hey,

1020
00:43:14,476 --> 00:43:15,836
Speaker 5: we want to use this for the album cover, but

1021
00:43:15,876 --> 00:43:19,596
Speaker 5: then thinking that like thirty something years later whenever, whatever,

1022
00:43:19,636 --> 00:43:22,516
Speaker 5: it is that like that would be such an iconic

1023
00:43:23,156 --> 00:43:26,356
Speaker 5: photo with like T shirts and all these like teenagers

1024
00:43:26,356 --> 00:43:29,276
Speaker 5: now wearing that picture on their T shirt.

1025
00:43:29,556 --> 00:43:31,396
Speaker 3: It is very nineties. That's such a good call.

1026
00:43:31,516 --> 00:43:33,716
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like has like that kids like

1027
00:43:33,756 --> 00:43:38,556
Speaker 2: the movie Kids that asthetic or even like pre American apparel.

1028
00:43:38,436 --> 00:43:40,876
Speaker 5: Totally, and it has but like like the fish eye

1029
00:43:40,956 --> 00:43:43,556
Speaker 5: kind of lens of fact whatever. So it's like, you know,

1030
00:43:43,596 --> 00:43:45,916
Speaker 5: it's very like kind of like Beastie Boys. He kind

1031
00:43:45,916 --> 00:43:48,356
Speaker 5: of like go to like nineties kind of like.

1032
00:43:48,356 --> 00:43:51,676
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Flair, do you ever think back on those times,

1033
00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:53,876
Speaker 2: like the debaucherous times are just like, oh my god,

1034
00:43:53,876 --> 00:43:55,076
Speaker 2: I can't believe I survived that.

1035
00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:57,916
Speaker 5: Totally. I had a lot of good time. I mean

1036
00:43:57,956 --> 00:44:00,956
Speaker 5: we had fun. Yeah, we were kids. We were probably

1037
00:44:00,996 --> 00:44:02,556
Speaker 5: doing what we should have been doing, right. I mean,

1038
00:44:02,676 --> 00:44:05,076
Speaker 5: for the most point, we were like in a rock band,

1039
00:44:05,156 --> 00:44:08,156
Speaker 5: like you know, touring the world, like going places and

1040
00:44:08,156 --> 00:44:11,916
Speaker 5: doing different things like all out like walking the streets

1041
00:44:12,796 --> 00:44:14,956
Speaker 5: Paris or whatever at three o'clock in the morning, going

1042
00:44:14,996 --> 00:44:17,836
Speaker 5: into you know, different bars and meeting random people.

1043
00:44:17,596 --> 00:44:18,076
Speaker 4: And doing whatever.

1044
00:44:18,156 --> 00:44:21,076
Speaker 5: Was like yeah, I mean like you know, let's have fun.

1045
00:44:21,116 --> 00:44:23,676
Speaker 5: And it was my youth and whatever. But uh, you know,

1046
00:44:23,756 --> 00:44:27,156
Speaker 5: at some point, yeah, it's like I realized that I'm

1047
00:44:27,156 --> 00:44:29,476
Speaker 5: not once people that can just like just like have

1048
00:44:29,556 --> 00:44:31,276
Speaker 5: a little bit of fun and then just like you know,

1049
00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:32,756
Speaker 5: go to sleep, Like.

1050
00:44:32,716 --> 00:44:34,636
Speaker 4: I just like I'm having fun, Let's keep going.

1051
00:44:35,436 --> 00:44:37,956
Speaker 5: And that's I think what like the definition of like

1052
00:44:37,996 --> 00:44:40,316
Speaker 5: someone who's an alcoholic, right, So I had to learn

1053
00:44:40,396 --> 00:44:43,196
Speaker 5: that I don't denounce like a. I think a is

1054
00:44:43,236 --> 00:44:45,396
Speaker 5: great for people who especially works for I don't do it,

1055
00:44:45,476 --> 00:44:49,036
Speaker 5: but I don't live under the pretense of that, like

1056
00:44:49,076 --> 00:44:50,796
Speaker 5: you know, I'll never have a drink again either. I

1057
00:44:50,796 --> 00:44:52,476
Speaker 5: think that's kind of helped me stay sober too, is

1058
00:44:52,476 --> 00:44:55,796
Speaker 5: because like I don't feel like, oh my god, I'm

1059
00:44:55,796 --> 00:44:58,236
Speaker 5: never gonna have a drinking Like I honestly like want

1060
00:44:58,316 --> 00:45:01,956
Speaker 5: to be in my seventies sitting on my porch, you know,

1061
00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,236
Speaker 5: as an older man drinking a beer, petting my dog

1062
00:45:05,356 --> 00:45:05,716
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1063
00:45:05,876 --> 00:45:08,316
Speaker 4: Like I can foresee that at some point in my future.

1064
00:45:08,636 --> 00:45:11,196
Speaker 5: But I just like, like, right now where I'm at, I

1065
00:45:11,196 --> 00:45:13,516
Speaker 5: feel good. I'm on tour, I'm out here, like I

1066
00:45:13,636 --> 00:45:15,676
Speaker 5: like doing this sober. I like this part of life

1067
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:17,596
Speaker 5: and doing it. But so I don't look at it

1068
00:45:17,596 --> 00:45:20,076
Speaker 5: as like and I'll be all thing and you know whatever,

1069
00:45:20,116 --> 00:45:21,716
Speaker 5: this and that whatever. But I just know it works

1070
00:45:21,756 --> 00:45:23,556
Speaker 5: now and I feel good, so I'm just gonna keep

1071
00:45:23,596 --> 00:45:23,876
Speaker 5: doing it.

1072
00:45:23,956 --> 00:45:24,156
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1073
00:45:24,196 --> 00:45:27,076
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. Living through what you've lived through,

1074
00:45:27,156 --> 00:45:29,676
Speaker 3: experience what you've experienced.

1075
00:45:29,316 --> 00:45:32,556
Speaker 2: As a father, were you like extra protective because you

1076
00:45:32,676 --> 00:45:36,516
Speaker 2: know what's out there, or were you sort of like

1077
00:45:36,676 --> 00:45:40,236
Speaker 2: let your kids experience things the way that you experience things.

1078
00:45:40,676 --> 00:45:43,916
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, luckily that my kids haven't tested

1079
00:45:43,956 --> 00:45:46,036
Speaker 4: me that bad. I mean, I have good kids. I'm

1080
00:45:46,116 --> 00:45:49,356
Speaker 4: so lucky for that, especially my two older sons, who

1081
00:45:49,756 --> 00:45:53,036
Speaker 4: you know, they like, you know, and everyone.

1082
00:45:53,356 --> 00:45:56,076
Speaker 5: If you talk about like like the parts that I

1083
00:45:56,116 --> 00:45:58,316
Speaker 5: was probably that I'm probably ashamed about now is whatever

1084
00:45:58,476 --> 00:46:01,716
Speaker 5: is like you know, when my kids were coming of age,

1085
00:46:01,756 --> 00:46:03,196
Speaker 5: like when I used to live in Soccer, when I

1086
00:46:03,276 --> 00:46:04,476
Speaker 5: used to have like a I had a bar in

1087
00:46:04,476 --> 00:46:06,756
Speaker 5: Myles had a tiki bar downstairs, which was awesome.

1088
00:46:06,796 --> 00:46:08,316
Speaker 4: I loved it. Yeah, but it was.

1089
00:46:08,316 --> 00:46:10,796
Speaker 5: Like, you know, every night, like my friends would be

1090
00:46:10,796 --> 00:46:13,396
Speaker 5: there playing records, you know, sitting at the bar just

1091
00:46:13,476 --> 00:46:15,996
Speaker 5: drink or whatever, and my kids would be upstairs, you know,

1092
00:46:16,116 --> 00:46:18,156
Speaker 5: and I would like, you know, what do you guys

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00:46:18,156 --> 00:46:18,676
Speaker 5: want for dinner?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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00:46:18,916 --> 00:46:22,196
Speaker 4: We want Chinese food? Okay, I order them Chinese food.

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Speaker 5: They want a new video game, Just buy a new

1097
00:46:23,956 --> 00:46:25,476
Speaker 5: video game kind of whatever, and they just kind of

1098
00:46:25,516 --> 00:46:28,276
Speaker 5: like you know, spent a lot of hours like on

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00:46:28,316 --> 00:46:30,596
Speaker 5: their own, just like you know, doing the same thing

1100
00:46:30,636 --> 00:46:32,356
Speaker 5: as I like upstairs, hanging out with their friends, playing

1101
00:46:32,396 --> 00:46:35,316
Speaker 5: video games, eating, you know, whatever they wanted and whatever.

1102
00:46:35,716 --> 00:46:37,836
Speaker 5: And now in retrospect, it's being like, man, it's like

1103
00:46:38,236 --> 00:46:40,436
Speaker 5: and I was busy with my friends downstairs, you know,

1104
00:46:40,916 --> 00:46:44,276
Speaker 5: still like living like I was on tour kind of thing.

1105
00:46:44,316 --> 00:46:44,596
Speaker 4: Right.

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00:46:44,916 --> 00:46:47,556
Speaker 5: So now in retrospect, I can't get those times back

1107
00:46:47,636 --> 00:46:49,116
Speaker 5: with my kids when they were at a certain age

1108
00:46:49,156 --> 00:46:51,516
Speaker 5: where I wish I had spent more time with them, right.

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00:46:51,356 --> 00:46:53,716
Speaker 3: But you were young though, when you've I watched it.

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00:46:53,756 --> 00:46:55,636
Speaker 5: I mean when I was twenty years old, when my

1111
00:46:55,636 --> 00:46:59,636
Speaker 5: son was personal was more so I was pretty young myself. Yeah,

1112
00:46:59,836 --> 00:47:02,796
Speaker 5: but even in spite of that, like, I'm so lucky

1113
00:47:02,796 --> 00:47:05,716
Speaker 5: that my kids like have grown up and have been

1114
00:47:05,796 --> 00:47:09,836
Speaker 5: very responsible and are like upstanding sins and you know,

1115
00:47:09,916 --> 00:47:14,156
Speaker 5: they they work and they they hustle still and they

1116
00:47:14,156 --> 00:47:17,676
Speaker 5: don't expect like you know, just they're good. They're a

1117
00:47:17,676 --> 00:47:21,636
Speaker 5: good hearted kid. And yeah, my daughter is super smart.

1118
00:47:21,716 --> 00:47:25,276
Speaker 5: She's like she she's in college and she she's in college. Yeah,

1119
00:47:25,356 --> 00:47:27,356
Speaker 5: she's she's a junior in Calle. She's going to be

1120
00:47:27,396 --> 00:47:30,556
Speaker 5: twenty one next month. Too, So like, oh, now they're gone,

1121
00:47:30,956 --> 00:47:33,156
Speaker 5: you know, because everybody's like, oh, you're empty nests. I'm like,

1122
00:47:33,236 --> 00:47:35,316
Speaker 5: Nicks do all dogs like you can't. I can't just

1123
00:47:35,396 --> 00:47:37,356
Speaker 5: do whatever I want whenever I want. Like, the dogs

1124
00:47:37,356 --> 00:47:38,076
Speaker 5: are like a lot.

1125
00:47:38,196 --> 00:47:39,156
Speaker 3: How many dogs you have?

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00:47:39,476 --> 00:47:41,156
Speaker 5: So I have two, you know, little pugs and their

1127
00:47:41,196 --> 00:47:44,476
Speaker 5: rescues and they're they're they're awesome. But yeah, they're like

1128
00:47:44,476 --> 00:47:46,916
Speaker 5: a lot of work in there. But I love it.

1129
00:47:47,116 --> 00:47:47,316
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1130
00:47:47,316 --> 00:47:49,116
Speaker 5: Maybe deep down I don't want to be an empty nester.

1131
00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:51,796
Speaker 5: I think that I have something to be responsible for,

1132
00:47:52,036 --> 00:47:53,956
Speaker 5: like all the time. It's like something that I need.

1133
00:47:54,276 --> 00:47:58,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you guys started working on the next album yet?

1134
00:47:58,636 --> 00:47:59,316
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't know.

1135
00:47:59,676 --> 00:48:01,796
Speaker 5: No, I don't really I feel I mean the record

1136
00:48:01,876 --> 00:48:04,116
Speaker 5: just came out like three weeks ago, two weeks ago.

1137
00:48:04,236 --> 00:48:07,356
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sometimes there's like stuff left over, and no.

1138
00:48:07,476 --> 00:48:08,956
Speaker 4: We do. We do have some luck.

1139
00:48:09,396 --> 00:48:12,236
Speaker 5: And my idea would be maybe if there's like a

1140
00:48:12,236 --> 00:48:14,796
Speaker 5: soundtrack opportunity or something like that, I think it'd be

1141
00:48:14,836 --> 00:48:16,756
Speaker 5: fun to go back and finish those things up, if

1142
00:48:16,916 --> 00:48:19,556
Speaker 5: for a specific thing or something like that. But but

1143
00:48:19,596 --> 00:48:20,956
Speaker 5: as far as I going in to make like a

1144
00:48:20,996 --> 00:48:25,476
Speaker 5: complete new record, I mean that's like at the long process. Yeah, yeah,

1145
00:48:25,516 --> 00:48:28,876
Speaker 5: I'm going to enjoy, like, yeah, just like not doing

1146
00:48:28,956 --> 00:48:31,636
Speaker 5: music and playing I started playing video games again, which

1147
00:48:31,676 --> 00:48:33,916
Speaker 5: is kind of Yeah. I didn't allow myself to play

1148
00:48:33,996 --> 00:48:36,916
Speaker 5: video games while I was working on music because I

1149
00:48:36,996 --> 00:48:38,556
Speaker 5: just feel like, if I have time to do this,

1150
00:48:38,636 --> 00:48:39,956
Speaker 5: I should definitely have time.

1151
00:48:39,796 --> 00:48:41,956
Speaker 4: To do it. My job is, so what games do

1152
00:48:41,996 --> 00:48:45,396
Speaker 4: you play right now? I'm just I'm playing these Star Wars.

1153
00:48:45,436 --> 00:48:48,396
Speaker 4: Like there's this platform game Falling Order. I think it's

1154
00:48:48,396 --> 00:48:48,956
Speaker 4: about for a while.

1155
00:48:48,956 --> 00:48:50,436
Speaker 5: There's a new one now that I but I want

1156
00:48:50,476 --> 00:48:52,236
Speaker 5: to play the beat the first one first.

1157
00:48:52,236 --> 00:48:54,676
Speaker 4: So it's just kind of like an adventure game. You going.

1158
00:48:54,716 --> 00:48:56,836
Speaker 5: There's like puzzles and stuff and I got to figure out,

1159
00:48:56,876 --> 00:48:58,716
Speaker 5: which is kind of cool because I feel like I'm

1160
00:48:58,716 --> 00:49:00,476
Speaker 5: still using my brain and figuring out.

1161
00:49:00,716 --> 00:49:00,916
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1162
00:49:01,036 --> 00:49:03,156
Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's like I'm just like

1163
00:49:03,236 --> 00:49:05,036
Speaker 5: getting to be a little kidding in and just like it's

1164
00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:09,116
Speaker 5: not music. As much as I love doing music, sometimes

1165
00:49:09,116 --> 00:49:10,796
Speaker 5: it's like it's kind of healthy, I think, to like

1166
00:49:10,956 --> 00:49:11,676
Speaker 5: do something.

1167
00:49:11,436 --> 00:49:12,556
Speaker 4: That's not music.

1168
00:49:13,276 --> 00:49:15,396
Speaker 2: I was watching an old interview with you, I think

1169
00:49:15,436 --> 00:49:17,436
Speaker 2: it was from ninety eight, and it was from some

1170
00:49:17,676 --> 00:49:18,956
Speaker 2: like Dutch TV show.

1171
00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:20,036
Speaker 3: Anyway, you were in a.

1172
00:49:20,036 --> 00:49:22,076
Speaker 2: Pool hall and you were talking about the thing that

1173
00:49:22,156 --> 00:49:26,396
Speaker 2: was most important to you was that the band had longevity,

1174
00:49:28,036 --> 00:49:30,476
Speaker 2: and you were like, you didn't care about the sound

1175
00:49:30,516 --> 00:49:32,276
Speaker 2: or the genre that you were placed in. The only

1176
00:49:32,316 --> 00:49:35,356
Speaker 2: thing that was important was longevity. And I was thinking,

1177
00:49:35,356 --> 00:49:38,076
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so you achieved it, Like here you are.

1178
00:49:38,356 --> 00:49:41,476
Speaker 2: How many years later it's twenty twenty five and you

1179
00:49:41,516 --> 00:49:44,956
Speaker 2: guys are bigger than ever. Does that feel like a

1180
00:49:45,036 --> 00:49:48,516
Speaker 2: miracle in your mind? Or does it feel like it

1181
00:49:48,556 --> 00:49:50,316
Speaker 2: was written? Like no, wonder.

1182
00:49:51,796 --> 00:49:56,036
Speaker 5: It definitely feels I don't know, a mirror. It's crazy

1183
00:49:56,076 --> 00:49:58,796
Speaker 5: to think about it, really is. I mean, it all

1184
00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:02,076
Speaker 5: happened so gradual, though, I mean obviously a lot more

1185
00:50:02,116 --> 00:50:04,556
Speaker 5: happened over the last few years kind of without our doing,

1186
00:50:04,836 --> 00:50:08,556
Speaker 5: you know, But like our career itself, like we were

1187
00:50:08,596 --> 00:50:10,716
Speaker 5: never like one day just kind of going and the

1188
00:50:10,756 --> 00:50:12,156
Speaker 5: next day we were the biggest band in the world.

1189
00:50:12,156 --> 00:50:15,636
Speaker 5: We've always started gradually growing as a band. Yes, we've

1190
00:50:15,636 --> 00:50:17,756
Speaker 5: had some like lulls in our career, for sure, But

1191
00:50:18,436 --> 00:50:21,276
Speaker 5: to look in retrospect now, for sure, it's like whoa Like,

1192
00:50:21,436 --> 00:50:23,876
Speaker 5: you know, last night we're playing a soult out arena

1193
00:50:23,916 --> 00:50:26,316
Speaker 5: and I'm looking out there and everybody's holding up their

1194
00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:29,396
Speaker 5: camera lights, are their their phone lights whatever, And just

1195
00:50:29,956 --> 00:50:32,556
Speaker 5: I'm like mesmerized by how many because you really get

1196
00:50:32,556 --> 00:50:34,196
Speaker 5: to notice when they do that, like how many people

1197
00:50:34,196 --> 00:50:37,596
Speaker 5: are up yeah, two hundred yards away, like you know,

1198
00:50:37,836 --> 00:50:40,356
Speaker 5: in a top back seat at a concert. And it's

1199
00:50:40,396 --> 00:50:44,356
Speaker 5: just like this is insane and seeing the demographic could

1200
00:50:44,396 --> 00:50:47,476
Speaker 5: be all over the board, across the board, parents and

1201
00:50:47,476 --> 00:50:51,396
Speaker 5: their kids and you know, so no, even if I

1202
00:50:51,436 --> 00:50:53,636
Speaker 5: did say that back then, I definitely didn't expect it

1203
00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:54,796
Speaker 5: to go to fruition.

1204
00:50:55,476 --> 00:50:57,276
Speaker 4: So I'm like bugged out by it for sure.

1205
00:50:57,316 --> 00:50:59,836
Speaker 3: It's awesome though, Yeah, awesome.

1206
00:50:59,836 --> 00:51:01,956
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and have fun tonight at the show that's talking.

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Speaker 1: Check the episode description for playlist of our favorite Deftones

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00:51:10,756 --> 00:51:13,956
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