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Speaker 4: I actually agreed with that part of his quote. He

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Speaker 4: has probably been their best offensive player when he's been

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Speaker 5: I say that, Yeah, he said that about it. I

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Speaker 5: miss that he said that about himself. Y. Yeah, but

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Speaker 5: I agree with him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna start, but it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: very short leash. And they told him they're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: him so before the game.

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Speaker 6: Like double secret probation all.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know what can't and you're gonna make

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Speaker 5: fun of you, but like this, there's nothing like seeing

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Speaker 1: And do a lot of that.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I can see Paul look in this scarfish you know,

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Speaker 1: walking stick.

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Speaker 6: Monicle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the best part is is when they had this.

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Speaker 4: This is very inside baseball, but they make us like

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Speaker 4: turn our backs.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, they'll have like sacks over your head,

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday

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Speaker 1: here at chi Letts Stadium, and.

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Speaker 5: Boy, we got problems right there.

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Speaker 6: We got problem we can't solve them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the once the once mighty Patriots, the Empire, the dynasty. Ah, boy,

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Speaker 1: it's we're we're in trouble.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's bad hearing you say that. Every single week.

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Speaker 8: You're like this and this is still in play, this

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Speaker 8: and this.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've officially come to the point where we

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Speaker 1: can't have a winning record.

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Speaker 6: A strong finish.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had this, I had this thought, and

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes like I get these things that pop

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Speaker 1: in my head and they actually come true. That the

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Speaker 1: Patriots win their last six games. I'm serious that if

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Speaker 1: they did in a way it would but in a

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Speaker 1: way it wouldn't because you know, what's what's going on

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Speaker 1: right now is this whole and I I completely understand it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing, but the whole talk about Belichick, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mac is one thing, Like what's going on with Mac

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Speaker 1: He wasn't this bad before. He's terrible right now. He's

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Speaker 1: just you just can't think out there for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: But the whole Belichick thing, you know, uh, you know

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Speaker 1: the people that have come out and they're really looking

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Speaker 1: for you know, the skins and then there's still people

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Speaker 1: out there defending him and what's gonna happen with him?

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Speaker 1: And you know the storylines going forward for the last

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Speaker 1: six six games, that's gonna dominate when it comes to

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Speaker 1: New England news, and especially with the fact that three

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Speaker 1: you know, unless they get flexed a national networks are

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Speaker 6: It fall of the dynasty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fall of the dynasty and what's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick And you know it's it's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be tough. You know, I can understand. I'm not saying like, oh,

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Speaker 5: If it doesn't get flexed.

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Speaker 5: The monitor he likes to see himself.

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Speaker 1: I agree, well, I just want to make sure we're on.

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Speaker 8: So do you not think that these conversations are warranted,

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Speaker 1: No, I think they are warranted. I mean, I mean sure.

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Speaker 1: were three options with you know, what do you think

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Speaker 8: It's weird because I wouldn't necessarily be lined up, especially

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Speaker 8: if he does that for my team too, and doesn't

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Speaker 8: want to pay all these players what I'm currently paying them,

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Speaker 9: So, like I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of tough, but all valid points.

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Speaker 1: But if you're the owner or GM of another team

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Speaker 6: Those are the things that are going to be happening.

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Speaker 11: I just I really wonder, like, in a vacuum, what

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Speaker 11: does he look at this team and think, you know,

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Speaker 5: Does he feel like he could get this team.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's his time frame back on the track.

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Speaker 1: It's something like to talk about because let's just say

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Speaker 1: he really does feel that way. I believe that if

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Speaker 1: if you seriously believe you want to stay and you

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Speaker 1: you know, the media is the conduit to him. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't get to the fans don't get to talk

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Speaker 11: I just I think every time he said over the

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Speaker 11: this has been a bad season, it's just been so

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Speaker 6: It takes too much. I got to get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's made a couple, he's he's mentioned

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Speaker 1: And it ain't me. I'm I'm you know.

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Speaker 4: I've actually feel like he is different at the podium.

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Speaker 4: And I don't mean he's saying different things. I mean

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Speaker 4: like his body language is different, and the whole the

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Speaker 4: record and all every all this stuff has me questioning everything, obviously,

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Speaker 4: And I.

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Speaker 5: Am your place in this world, just like your choice.

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Speaker 4: Like I sat in the dark room last night, I

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Speaker 4: going through the motions of this.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think he's defeated there?

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Speaker 5: And nine?

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Speaker 4: But I think I think it's I think I'm with Paul.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he wants out to go someplace

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Speaker 5: But he's saying, you haven't won anything without Brady yesterday,

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Speaker 1: But he did say that, Paul. But then at the

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Speaker 5: But I just think it's embarrassing that I think.

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Speaker 5: Has always been about bluster, and he's always been a

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's got a feeling. I think he's

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Speaker 5: Even for him, it's always been over It's not even

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Speaker 4: It's just like I have no respect Twitter Timeline, Like

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Speaker 5: I know I have tons of respects I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: But I mean along those lines, Dan or Lafsky, we

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's a I get what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: And I say this all the time. I am good.

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Speaker 4: I would defend Bill against a clown like Rex Ryan

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Speaker 4: tell you how horrible he's been too. But he's like,

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Speaker 4: it's like you know your sibling, right, Like it's he's

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Speaker 5: So I get this. I want to say one thing

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Speaker 5: I think basketball is a different sport, but what did

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Speaker 5: you think when he was on the Knicks, you laughed,

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Speaker 5: you laughed and mocked him. I know you did, because

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Speaker 5: you're a Boston fan just like me. I did. I

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Speaker 5: around play. I get it.

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Speaker 1: But you're not on TV.

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Speaker 5: Like but that. But that's all this is is like

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Speaker 1: But just like there is a brotherhood of coaches, there

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Speaker 5: Deserves respect, respect absolutely, you know. But I just think

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Speaker 4: This can't help and I'm allowed to say that he's

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, absolutely, I think he is a clown. I

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Speaker 1: I know that well, he's not going.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Rex has a lot of respect

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Speaker 11: wins and losses. These have been circumstantial losses. You know,

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Speaker 11: This is a bad team that has been poorly constructed

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Speaker 6: Just a couple of turnovers.

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Speaker 11: It's like you're trying to sell us on the forest

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Speaker 11: and we're looking on where they're You're stolling us on

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Speaker 11: the trees. We're all looking at the forest right now

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Speaker 5: A great way to fool yourself. And I agree wholehearted

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Speaker 6: At a certain point. All the circumstances stacked up.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to hear it about the Philadelphia game,

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Speaker 5: fourth quarter, you're going to lose in the NFL, Right, Okay,

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Speaker 5: these two games when you got ten points back to

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Speaker 1: Well they got better. It was ten sixth German, It's

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Speaker 5: At one point, I would argue this was way worse,

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Speaker 5: I just I don't know why we were even bothering

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Speaker 6: Oh he really is.

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Speaker 1: And I do feel bad. He's somebody's son, and I'm

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Speaker 5: Know, I just I.

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Speaker 1: Feel bad for him, But he's a mess. He's he's

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Speaker 11: Is just come on, did they really think he was

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Speaker 1: What we mention practice? I think in practice he's okay,

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Speaker 5: According to his teammates, Well, well.

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Speaker 5: Might be better than the competition in practice. But there's

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Speaker 11: I just can't get over the late, stupid interception stuff

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Speaker 6: Just that stuff. In year three, you can't continue to

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Speaker 5: I read somewhere that PFF had him tracked for more

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Speaker 11: I believe that, uh turnover worthy plays.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, more interceptions than throwaways. Okay, Like back will

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Speaker 6: I believe it.

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Speaker 11: How many of those interceptions were like three and a

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Speaker 4: Actually in his defense, I actually think, well, I don't

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Speaker 4: I think he was trying to throw that away.

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Speaker 5: I think he was, because like I think he overthrew.

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Speaker 4: He's like, he's there's three guys on him.

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Speaker 5: I know, that's all.

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Speaker 4: I can't so much for the way the decision making

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Speaker 4: the years. That was how he was touted, was a

442
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Speaker 4: cerebral pocket passer that's going to manage the game and

443
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Speaker 4: make the right decisions. If he can't fall back on

444
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Speaker 4: that as a carrying trait, then he doesn't have a

445
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Speaker 4: carrying trade, which is what we're seeing right now. He

446
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 4: doesn't have physical tools, he doesn't have the mental acumen,

447
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 4: he doesn't have poise. Like if he doesn't have those

448
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Speaker 4: last two things, then he's not an NFL quarterback.

449
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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 1: Is there a chance that his scouting, you know, the

451
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Speaker 1: scouts were just wrong on coming out of college, that

452
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Speaker 1: it was just too easy at Alabama, and this whole

453
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Speaker 1: cerebral thing was a manifestation of just having all the

454
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Speaker 1: time in the world in the best receivers.

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Speaker 8: I think, I think it is tough, and I've mentioned

456
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Speaker 8: this before to grade those guys, especially quarterbacks coming out

457
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Speaker 8: of Alabama and Ohio State, because you have five star everything.

458
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Speaker 8: Your offensive line is outstanding, your defenses up outstanding, your

459
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Speaker 8: receivers are outstanding. It's like, you look at all the

460
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Speaker 8: weapons that he had at Alabama, They're incredible.

461
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Speaker 9: And so it's different when you're looking.

462
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Speaker 8: At a guy like Drake may or Caleb Williams, who

463
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Speaker 8: like don't have all that talent around, and.

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Speaker 1: You say, when you say they're incredible, they weren't just

465
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Speaker 1: incredible in college.

466
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Speaker 9: They're incredible on the pro and they also have but

467
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Speaker 9: like you have, like treble though.

468
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Speaker 4: Like so, I think it's a case by case basis,

469
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Speaker 4: and I think with Mac you had to evaluate the

470
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Speaker 4: fact that his physical tools were not as good as

471
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Speaker 4: these other guys in the draft, and for that reason,

472
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Speaker 4: maybe the Alabama stuff was a little bit of a Sade.

473
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Speaker 4: But Trevor Lawrence had five star everything also and Clemson

474
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Speaker 4: and he's still a good pro. So I think it's

475
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Speaker 4: a case by case base.

476
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Speaker 5: It's not just yeah to me. That's like I think,

477
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Speaker 5: I think had all the same talent around him, He's

478
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Speaker 5: been a much better pro. He's a better player, right,

479
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Speaker 5: And I think C. J. Stroud had all the talents

480
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Speaker 5: around him, but he's a much better pro than like,

481
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Speaker 5: you know, the late Dwayne Haskins was. You know, they

482
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Speaker 5: have the same talent around him, and there's a lot

483
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Speaker 5: of guys, you know, Greg McElroy, A J. Mccannon, they

484
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Speaker 5: weren't as gifted as the guys.

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Speaker 4: That that's my point again.

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Speaker 11: The helmet sticker, I just assume though, like you know this,

487
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 11: he had a good processor that that means he's able

488
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Speaker 11: to go through reads quick and get the ball out.

489
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Speaker 11: Not that he won't make stupid but impossible interceptions. No,

490
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Speaker 11: I mean, And that's that's why I think it's a

491
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Speaker 11: little hard to judge, because I feel like he's broken

492
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Speaker 11: and he's not seeing it anymore and he's out of

493
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Speaker 11: that rhythm.

494
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Speaker 5: Is the pressure, the physical pressure, not the not the

495
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Speaker 5: emotional you know, the mental side of maybe.

496
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Speaker 11: Both, but but now it's like the compound.

497
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Speaker 5: It's way into both now. But I'm saying when he

498
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Speaker 5: started to get hit, I don't think that was anything

499
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Speaker 5: he ever consistently experienced. And I think it gradually has

500
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Speaker 5: gotten worse and worse and worse over time. And I

501
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 5: think that people figured it out during that seven game

502
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Speaker 5: winning streak. I heard something interesting today, I mean yesterday

503
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Speaker 5: on my show Fred And I don't know if you

504
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Speaker 5: guys agree with it, and I don't know Pilgramat I'm

505
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Speaker 5: hoping for it show. Yeah, someone called in and said

506
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Speaker 5: that everything looked fine until that Monday night game. Would

507
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Speaker 5: Bill only let him throw the ball three times?

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was ridiculous.

509
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Speaker 5: I heard that. Do you think that there was anything

510
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Speaker 5: to that?

511
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Speaker 6: No, not really.

512
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Speaker 5: When Matt Judon is making fun of him after the game,

513
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Speaker 5: you know, everybody played great except for Mac. He didn't

514
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Speaker 5: do nothing. I mean, like you, I know he was

515
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Speaker 5: I know he was joking. I always it was a

516
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Speaker 5: tongue in cheek thing, but I do.

517
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you ever think we were We watched

518
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Speaker 1: that game. I was there.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was embarrassing that they play an NFL

520
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 5: game throwing three passes.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember ever saying, oh, they should be throwing

522
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Speaker 1: the ball more.

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Speaker 5: I said that it's an indictment on the quarterback that

524
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Speaker 5: he didn't throw it. I think that Bill did the

525
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Speaker 5: right thing because he knew. I don't think so, though,

526
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Speaker 5: because even though it was already at that point, you're

527
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Speaker 5: already a point where you weren't gonna let him throwing

528
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Speaker 5: passed early in that game, and I think it actually

529
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Speaker 5: got caught by a fault people the wind. John Whu

530
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Speaker 5: Smith that yes, got taken by the wind, and JOHNO

531
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Speaker 5: made an unbelievable one handed catch in traffic like it

532
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Speaker 5: should have been picked off three times it was. And

533
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Speaker 5: I think Bill said I ain't doing that again.

534
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Speaker 4: If he had never had like a good game again,

535
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Speaker 4: then maybe I would subscribe to that.

536
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Speaker 5: But like, just so you know, he's had what I

537
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Speaker 5: would call eight good games since then, in thirty three games,

538
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Speaker 5: which one is that Jacksonville, Yeah, Minnesota was one Jacksonville

539
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Speaker 5: has won. The Jets game was one down the stretch.

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Speaker 5: I would say the Buffalo game this year was one.

541
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Speaker 5: He He's had a passer rating of ninety five or

542
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Speaker 5: better eight times since since that that game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that he's shown that since that

544
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Speaker 4: game that he is capable of playing I don't know

545
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: what you want to call it, like above average NFL

546
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Speaker 4: quarterback or whatever you want to call it.

547
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Speaker 5: And so if if he he.

548
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Speaker 4: Has shown it and flashes in certain games he just

549
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Speaker 4: named eight games, So if he hasn't done.

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Speaker 5: It, that he played good, if that game broke him,

551
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Speaker 5: then he would never have played good again. Like, yeah,

552
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Speaker 5: well broken, I mean, like, do you think he's broken now,

553
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Speaker 5: Like he's he has thrown a good pass.

554
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Speaker 4: No, he's like you can totally broken head.

555
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally agree, but I mean there are still

556
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Speaker 5: times where I was a good throw that third and

557
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Speaker 5: fifteen to DeVante Parker.

558
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Speaker 1: I just think the conditions in that game were extraordinary. Well,

559
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Speaker 1: I mean I was there.

560
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Speaker 5: It was wild, and I mean was why what was extraordinary?

561
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Speaker 5: But the wind was was Oh I thought you were

562
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Speaker 5: talking about Sunday. No no, no, no, okay, we're talking about

563
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Speaker 5: the Buffalo. Yes, no, I'm not telling you that I necessarily,

564
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Speaker 5: but I just thought it was the interesting But.

565
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Speaker 11: What but what was What's the implication that Mac was

566
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Speaker 11: so rattled that they wouldn't let him throw that they

567
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Speaker 11: just completely broke him.

568
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Speaker 5: And that was the day. That was the day, in fact,

569
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Speaker 5: he realized that the quarterback did I mean the coach

570
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Speaker 5: didn't have any faith in them, Like, I'm not telling

571
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Speaker 5: you it's true.

572
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Speaker 11: I'm just no, no, no, I'm just trying to process

573
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Speaker 11: the process, the dynamics of it all.

574
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Speaker 5: It was also the day that it was the facilitation.

575
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Speaker 1: Remember that. It was also the day that everyone said, oh,

576
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Speaker 1: the Patriots broke the Bills totally out coached.

577
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Speaker 5: And it was ridiculous. Bills never lost again.

578
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Speaker 1: I like the narrative.

579
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Speaker 5: To be fair, Buffalo hasn't won anything. Yeah, I know,

580
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: better than the past. Thing I loved the most, anything

581
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: is is just just a championship. That's the only thing

582
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Speaker 5: that qualifies as anything. I mean, they haven't even made us.

583
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Speaker 1: All I know is that they've been better than the

584
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Speaker 1: pay made the conference championship that year and they got destroyed.

585
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Speaker 5: Like, I what are you talking about? I know, it's

586
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 5: much better to be two and nine. It's great. This

587
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 5: is this way we could do. If only we could lose,

588
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 5: only we could go every year.

589
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Speaker 6: They're on the downward slide. We're already at the bottom,

590
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Speaker 6: like we were going on.

591
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Speaker 5: Where would you rather be? Where would you rather be?

592
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Speaker 5: Josh Allen?

593
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Speaker 6: I mean, regardless of the circumstances.

594
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

595
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Speaker 4: They have expectations and they are not being and I.

596
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Speaker 1: Would agree that as they say, I'm all for that

597
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: them not achieving their goals.

598
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Speaker 5: I love acting. If that makes you feel better about

599
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Speaker 5: being two and nine, go right ahead.

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Speaker 1: The windows doesn't make me feel better at all. I

601
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Speaker 1: would feel good about that. If the Patriots are undefeated,

602
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Speaker 1: I would be.

603
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Speaker 5: Thrilled to have lost the game that the Bills lost

604
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Speaker 5: the other day. It was the most entertaining game in

605
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Speaker 5: the NFL all year.

606
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Speaker 1: Well, I know you're secretly a Bills fan, but that's okay.

607
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Speaker 5: No, No, you're missing it. You're missing it. I haven't

608
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 5: seen an entertaining game in a year and a half.

609
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: That's what you're missing. Probably that Minnesota game on Thanksgiving

610
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: last year was the last entertaining game.

611
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: That The game this year was entertaining.

612
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Speaker 9: Come on, yeah, but not to that level.

613
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 5: There were one five it. I know you guys thought

614
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 5: there was a path. There wasn't.

615
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 9: It was over Fred.

616
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Speaker 8: You watch games like that Bill's Eagles game, and it's

617
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 8: like a palate cleanser it's almost like this is you.

618
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: Can score, you're allowed to score.

619
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Speaker 11: Yeah, do you think they should fire McDermott?

620
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Speaker 6: I mean, is that like depend the right to.

621
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Speaker 5: Depends on how they finished the season. But yeah, I

622
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 5: think right now if you're asking me, yeah, I wouldn't.

623
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 5: But I think you're probably in the NFL. You have to.

624
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Speaker 4: You don't make the playoffs, you have to. It's hard

625
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: to say that team has I don't care how to

626
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: way too much.

627
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: How yeah, I know, but Evans, but it's still way

628
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 5: too much time.

629
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Speaker 11: You know where you feel like you caught a little

630
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 11: something and I know it's fading right now of what

631
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 11: that magic was, but you know, just to to I mean,

632
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 11: I feel like you're.

633
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 5: They got screwed it.

634
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 6: You're kind of throwing it up to the win.

635
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: But if you well I don't want this to turn

636
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: into you know, Bills dot Com. But if you get

637
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: rid of McDermott and you feel like you're closed, that's

638
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: why you have to bring in And that's why I.

639
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 11: Wouldn't do it right right well, that's but that's I mean,

640
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 11: tie this to what we're going through right now, and

641
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 11: you know, like no, no, I know, but but but

642
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 11: the things that go into deciding to move on from

643
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 11: a head coach and the implications for the team and

644
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 11: what they've built and kind of the identity that they

645
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 11: built around that coach. And you know, look, it's probably

646
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 11: the right decision, but it's still got to be a

647
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 11: little bit scary to you know. Can you imagine it

648
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 11: twenty ten switching out the head coach with even Brady?

649
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, probably would have worked out.

650
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 11: Okay, they probably would have still been a really good team,

651
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 11: but I just you know, you don't know, are these

652
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 11: things are kind of fluid and all you take that

653
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 11: head coach, just.

654
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: Wonder what does the defense look like? Yah?

655
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 4: I think I always I love this comparison, Like remember

656
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 4: Mark Jackson with the Warriors.

657
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 5: Probably not I you just look at me with that.

658
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: I do, but I didn't think he was a good coach.

659
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: So Mark Jackson with the Warriors and then they bring

660
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: in Steve Kerr and then they become the Warriors, right, Like,

661
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: is Sean McDermott the guy that got the.

662
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 5: Bills this far? Absolutely?

663
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: And then they need the guy to put them over

664
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: the top. That's what I wonder if I'm on Buffalo, right,

665
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: But he's but guy, but he's not a winning coach

666
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: in the player.

667
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: He can't get over that. And I do think that

668
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: he has some choke to him. McDermott specifically, like I

669
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: think I think the decision to kneel on the ball

670
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 5: with twenty seconds left was absurd, and I think that's

671
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 5: a coach that was afraid, you know, because now he's saying, well,

672
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: if I just go to overtime and we lose an overtime,

673
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 5: that's not on it. But if I go out there

674
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: and were slinging around and you know Allen has turned

675
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 5: the ball over, if he turns it over, that's on me.

676
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: What am I doing? Like to me, you know what

677
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: I would have done. I would have run a draw

678
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: and see if I can get a cheap twenty yards,

679
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: call time out, then let him let one rip and

680
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: then kick a field goal if I can. I mean,

681
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: what what what? Running a draw pretty much takes away

682
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: that turnover fear, you know, like that Javon Holland. By

683
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: the way, you see that Freddy no pick six on

684
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 5: a hail Mary.

685
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nine yard?

686
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. I never saw and I can't.

687
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 8: Remember who it was from, but they were like fred

688
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 8: is probably on his couch right now watching this happen,

689
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 8: and it's probably getting a great kick out of it.

690
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, only the Jets.

691
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: I don't get a good kick out of any of

692
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: it anymore. No, I'm in a dark room. I can't

693
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: just I honestly checked out. I want you to remind

694
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: me tomorrow and Thursday. I need to go easy.

695
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: My boy. He came in. I can't come at him.

696
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 11: He came in today after his film study, and I

697
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 11: was just like, I can't come at him this week.

698
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: He's doing.

699
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 6: How you doing, buddy?

700
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 10: All right?

701
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 6: Watching him film yesterday? Fine?

702
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: Well after.

703
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 9: Is broken.

704
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: You're lucky that Kyle van Noy isn't on this team.

705
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: He'd be coming at you, right. Did you see the

706
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: film study and he was.

707
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: Right by the way. Yeah, I didn't even know. Yeah,

708
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 5: I saw the first down the center because he was

709
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 5: it was clearly what he was supposed to do.

710
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: I would not I would not have said what Armando

711
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: Sell got whatever?

712
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 6: The come on Miller learned how to pass rush No.

713
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 5: But I didn't see I didn't van Ney's response to it.

714
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 5: I saw just the thing and I looked and I

715
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: was like, that's clearly a play, And I don't know

716
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: anything game.

717
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: So that's clearly a play that reship with with Kyle

718
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: van Noy. Yeah, he came up to me one time

719
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, you're you're the guy that

720
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: always posts our clips on on Twitter. And he's like

721
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: I was like yeah, yeah, and he was like, you know,

722
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: you're not always right, but like you're on the right

723
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: track and you know you don't know the play call,

724
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: so yeah, and then yeah, and and then he became

725
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: famous because he was, you know, on a super Bowl team.

726
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 4: Never talked to me again.

727
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: He talked, He talked to me. Unfortunately, he didn't.

728
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, Kyle, Kyle has rabbit ears.

729
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 5: He definitely does.

730
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

731
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: Well, the fact that he even knew that I was

732
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: posting stuff on Twitter told me that he had.

733
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 6: Watching.

734
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: So here we are.

735
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 5: But I do wonder, you know, back to Mike's original

736
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: point with Bill, Okay, I do wonder how much we

737
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: fix it on is Robert Craft going to make a move.

738
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: I wonder how much Bill Belichick wants out of Robert Craft.

739
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

740
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 8: I could see him wanting to do it versus like

741
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 8: the other way around, just because one it looks better

742
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 8: if he steps away and decides to focus on his

743
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 8: family or whatever.

744
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it looks.

745
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 8: Better if he does it, and I think he wants

746
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 8: to be in his control, like in it on his time.

747
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Sure.

748
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 5: Do you think he wants to coach somewhere next year?

749
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 6: Yes?

750
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: I think so. He wants to keep coaching.

751
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 8: I just I don't know if I would want him

752
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 8: like Okay for examples, I think he wants to need

753
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 8: a head coach.

754
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 9: Would you go after him?

755
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 5: That's different who I think coach Pan.

756
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: I'd sit down with him, now I would not I

757
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: talk to him.

758
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: I think the Panthers are one of the few teams

759
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: that would give him everything he wants.

760
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Mistake the pants I think any team that's looking for

761
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: a coach would make a mistake to at least not

762
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: have a sit down with him, an extensive sit down.

763
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: And what's going on there? Why you know that Bill.

764
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: Should be going to And again I I have I

765
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: don't know about the Buffalo, but Buffalo, the Chargers, like

766
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: these teams that are that are literally just a guy

767
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: that can teach them how to win late in fourth

768
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 4: quarter games with a quarterback already in place and an

769
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: offense that's already good and all everything already set up

770
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: for him. So all he has to do is come

771
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: in and fix some things on the margins and make

772
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: them a super Bowl team.

773
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Well, think about it. It's it's the exact thing that

774
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Brady did. He went to a place that had the weapons.

775
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: They added maybe one or two more.

776
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 5: Were comparing Tampa to Buffalo.

777
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: No but and he you know, but maybe the Chargers

778
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: when he fished.

779
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Some culture and they won, and you know, Bill's probably thinking,

780
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I can do that.

781
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 9: Just I could also see.

782
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: Brady did in Tampa.

783
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 9: I could also see some people leaving.

784
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: Well, he doesn't play quarterback, he would not have won

785
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: with that team.

786
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 8: I could also see people and not wanting to stay

787
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 8: like someone like Digs I would.

788
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 9: I would not be surprised if he's like, oh I'm out,

789
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, me too much?

790
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: Right, Screw is actually tied to them. I think you're right.

791
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 5: I think there's be a lot of players in that

792
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 5: locker room that would feel like that. I just think

793
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 5: that if you're with Bill, you know the two biggest.

794
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: Things that I you know, in my dark room, then

795
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think they're all these things troubling. Number One,

796
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: I question if his style of coaching is dead and

797
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: if it's just in so many different levels, like their

798
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 4: offensive system to me is extinct. It's it's extinct. The

799
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: media came it hit the boom, We're done, Like you

800
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: can't run an offense. I don't think anymore in today's

801
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: NFL that puts this much on the quarterback.

802
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 5: I think I think putting four passes beyond five yards

803
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: downfield is that's a low number in an NFL game

804
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: this year?

805
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Well wait a minute now, but I.

806
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: Want's attempting talking about what he's talking about. It's different

807
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 4: than attempting them, but in drawing the plays that you

808
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 4: know they're they're deeper throws down the field that it

809
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: was supposed to happen.

810
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: But I think that's the league. I think every team

811
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: that's great, it's all on their quarterback. Jalen Hurts, Josh

812
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: Allen Mahomes. I don't think that there's as they go,

813
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: so does the offense.

814
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: But I'm not talking about like the what you're talking about.

815
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the fact that you know, the very

816
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: first third down of the game on Sunday, do you

817
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: go watch the pre snap just mess that happens before

818
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: the ball is snapped.

819
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: But is that the offense.

820
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: No, that's the offense. The offense is it's all on

821
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: the quarterback. Like the quarterback has to come to the

822
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and he had mac he's pumping this

823
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: way to the receivers to change the routes and he's

824
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: killed killed and then all of a sudden how much.

825
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: And then they go to snap the football and it's

826
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: delay a game. And then the snap is like the

827
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: worst snap I've ever seen David Andrews have in his career.

828
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: All because all of it is just But I'm gonna

829
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask this and I obviously don't know, but

830
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go on what Fred's talking about, Like so

831
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: with Max a couple of billets. So are you sure

832
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 5: that all of this is supposed to be happening? Yes,

833
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: he's not that.

834
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: No, the entire defense at the line of scrimmage is

835
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 4: from the protections on down. The quarterback is in complete

836
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: control of everything at the line of scrimmage. These other teams,

837
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: you know, the Shanahan offense, for example, they they.

838
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 5: Don't line shot. No, but it's not they don't.

839
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: Have the quarterback set protections at the line of scrimmage.

840
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: He's not remiking he's not flipping protections, he's not moving guys.

841
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: That's not how they do things. When they get to

842
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. Brock Purty obviously does his surveillance

843
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 4: of the field. If they send a blitz that they're

844
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 4: not expecting, he just throws hot.

845
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: See, I'm gonna push back because either either you're right,

846
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: and if you're right than when Bailey Zappi went into

847
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: the second half, they told him to do it differently.

848
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 5: They didn't.

849
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: Bailey Zappi came in in the second half, and there

850
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: were examples of me, you know, writing down I'm watching it.

851
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know if this protection was blown

852
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: because Bailey blew it, or I'm gonna you you.

853
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 5: Didn't think it looked better in the second half.

854
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: No, I'm but I'm saying I didn't see the orchestration

855
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: pre snap.

856
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: Oh sure may yeah, as much as what Mac was, Yes,

857
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: But I I just think the difference is I can't

858
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: tell you who is at fall. Most of the time

859
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: I stare on the side of David Andrews is probably

860
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: right because he's David Andrews, been doing it for a decade, right,

861
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you go watch that play

862
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: where Bailey Zappy I had to like break out of

863
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: his sack and he ends up flipping it to Ramondre Stevenson.

864
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: He does that because Ramandra Stevenson and David Andrews blocked

865
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: the same guy and then an unblocked runner comes from

866
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: the other side. That to me, if based off of

867
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 4: how they run their offense, that that's on the quarterback,

868
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: Like the quarterback is responsible for setting the protect at

869
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, and the fact that two guys

870
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: went to the same guy tells me that he didn't

871
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: set the mic point properly.

872
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: Because I'm sure David Andrews wasn't wrong.

873
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: Well, if that's the case, if you're correct there, then

874
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: I think that that's negligence than the part of the

875
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: coaching staff, because clearly you've got a guy who his

876
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: brain is mush right now, and to continue to put

877
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: that on him is setting him up to fail.

878
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: I just don't think based off of the history of

879
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: this offense, whether it's here without Brady or it's traveling

880
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: without Brady with Josh McDaniels or whoever, I don't think

881
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: the history of this offense tells you that anybody can

882
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: do it besides Brady.

883
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 5: So well done, Rex.

884
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: So he's the only guy that has been able to

885
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: run this offense and do all the chess match, all

886
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 4: the field general stuff at the line of scrimmage before

887
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 4: the ball is snapped, and then execute the post snap reads,

888
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: which I like, I can get into all of that

889
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: too when you start to talk about route can versions

890
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: and reading safety shells and coverage rotation and all that

891
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: kind of stuff at the quarterback has to do. Oh

892
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: and then you have to go play ball, Like then

893
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: you have to go make plays on top of all

894
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 4: of that, and.

895
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Well you have to have to do what Brady did.

896
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: You have to have that beautiful mind, like he said,

897
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: he has all the answers, you know, like he's he

898
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: sees things in a way that others don't. Like, It's

899
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: just he sees it in one complete picture, you know,

900
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and it's almost like he doesn't have to go through

901
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: a progression. He knows what's going to happen before it happens,

902
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: you know. So like, but he's one of a kind.

903
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: And to think that others can do that, whether it's

904
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi or Mac Jones, I think is negligence.

905
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: That's that's my point. And I think that this offense

906
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: as a whole, the way that they run it, especially

907
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: from a pre snap standpoint, is too cumbersome on the quarterback.

908
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe that their expect their expectation is is

909
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: to do that.

910
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 5: But they all say it, and they all said it

911
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: in the summer that there's a lot on the quarterback here. Yeah,

912
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 5: in his system.

913
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 11: I just want last year it was simplifying the offense,

914
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 11: you know, is that were they trying to get away

915
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 11: from this stuff? Did they go back to it this year?

916
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 11: Are I still trying to simplify that?

917
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: I think they were trying to get away from it.

918
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: And I think that the big thing is as we

919
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: spin it forward, like this is more about spinning forward.

920
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: And I know some people are gonna take this as

921
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: me making excuses for Mac. Mainly, what I'm trying to

922
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 4: say is that Mac Jones, you know, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo,

923
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: where the quarterbacks in Denver with Josh McDaniels, the quarterbacks

924
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: with the Rams with Josh McDaniels, like, they've all failed

925
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: trying to run this offense. They've all failed. And when

926
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: you start to spin it forward, they need a new

927
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 4: offensive system, Like that's the where I'm at with it,

928
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: where the details have to be so meticulously executed in

929
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: this offense to string a drive together that it's too

930
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: it's too hard.

931
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: So do you think a different system would make Mac better?

932
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: Mac? Particularly?

933
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: Yes, I think he's too far gone, okay, But in general, let's.

934
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: Go let's go back a year. Would a better system

935
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: have made have made Mac better back then?

936
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 5: Maybe?

937
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: And I just look at it, like I said, you know,

938
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 4: Drake May, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, like whoever it is

939
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: it ends up being. I just don't think it's it's

940
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: right to put those guys in this off No.

941
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean that's they're not using the talents

942
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: of those guys if they do that.

943
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 5: I can't comment on all the mental stress that the

944
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: quarterback is under. And I think everything Evan says makes

945
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: a lot of sense to me. That is definitely falling

946
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 5: in line with some of the talks that I remember

947
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: from the summer when we had some of our production

948
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: meetings and my buddy James Ferrence, I told you it

949
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 5: was really forthcoming about how similar the offenses are all

950
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 5: all three years. But they put a lot on the quarterback.

951
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 5: But but my biggest issue with the offer at least talent.

952
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: The less talent you have, the more you have to

953
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: put on players to do things exactly right. When you

954
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: have guys that are just faster, well, I don't have

955
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: to worry about that.

956
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 5: I think the offense is antiquated, as Evan said, because

957
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: I don't think you can just set it up the

958
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 5: way they want to set it up and expect to win.

959
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 5: I don't think you can run the ball. You know,

960
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 5: let's just run the ball. We'll use a slot receiver

961
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 5: and you know, see if we can, you know, make

962
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: enough plays to go down the field and go eleven

963
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: plays for sixty yards and seven minutes. That represents the

964
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 5: success that you had seven minutes to go sixty yards.

965
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: That's like that looked like the Bears last night, who

966
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 5: also have no offense, you know, and they actually put

967
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: together some drives last night. But it was it was

968
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 5: so hard, like everything was so hard.

969
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just look at you know, so many different examples,

970
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 4: and I know, like Badard says the same thing about, oh.

971
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: This guy didn't run the right route.

972
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: When I watch other team's film, there's no, it's not

973
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: that ambiguous, you know what I mean, Like it's not

974
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: like there's not that much.

975
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: I think the system is hard.

976
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: And so like Tamaro Douglas, like you know, it's running

977
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 4: a deep hitch and he opens the wrong way. Mac

978
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: throws it to his outside shoulder, he opens to the

979
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: inside and it's an incomplete pass. And it just those

980
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: things I just don't see happening on other other tapes

981
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: around the NFL offensively, and all the details in this

982
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: offense right now, the spacing, the timing of the routes,

983
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: you know, the way the routes convert. All this kind

984
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: of stuff is just broken.

985
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: Like all of it is just terrible.

986
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: And I just wonder if maybe you know, I look

987
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: at these other teams and a big part of it

988
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: is because of the speed that they have on the

989
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: field that Patriots don't have. But they play the game

990
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: in space, like the game is played in pockets of

991
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: space for these other offenses, where that the Patriots, it

992
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: feels like everything is played in a bogged down, contested

993
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: window and there's never any space. And I just think

994
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: that all of that ties together, but yet what.

995
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: That that no? But to me that's because that's the

996
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: way defenses play us because they can go man to

997
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: man and not have.

998
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 5: To wear it. But like the offense that was on

999
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 5: the field on Sunday is largely what they envisioned in

1000
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: say May. They had all the guys that the only

1001
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: one that wasn't part of it was Born and Bourne

1002
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 5: was an afterthought to them. Bourne was like a third

1003
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 5: or fourth receiver for them. They wanted Parker and Juju,

1004
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 5: but teams they probably hoped for Taekwon Rimandre Stevenson. Four

1005
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 5: fifths of your offensive line, I would and I think

1006
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: SO is actually played well, that's a bonus, right the

1007
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 5: lay games. I think SO has been better than Riley

1008
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: Reef was gonna be. But Team SO you had your

1009
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 5: offensive line and I'm get personnel, but that's what they

1010
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying is antiquated. Fred. That's the

1011
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: kinds of outside guys they want. We don't want. We

1012
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: don't want these divas. We don't want these guys that

1013
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: want the ball. We don't want these playmakers that are

1014
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 5: gonna be like so much. And I know, Mike, you're

1015
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: only you know, half serious with the Stefan digs. You'd

1016
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: love Stefan Diggs. I'm just teasing you, like, we don't

1017
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 5: want aj Brown, who you know in week four is

1018
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: going to go three quarters but to target, he's gonna

1019
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 5: put up a tie right on the sideline. Yeah, I

1020
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: know he will. That's what those guys do. But you

1021
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: know what the other ten games, he's gonna catch ten

1022
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 5: for the probably right of course he was. I would

1023
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: also to your point, So they don't want that. I

1024
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 5: tweeted this out last night. The Patriots offensively right now

1025
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: overall their sixteenth in EPA as a rush rushing offense.

1026
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 5: Since Week six, they're number two in the league. I

1027
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 5: saw you. They have the number one.

1028
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: Run defense in the NFL right now. They're the best

1029
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: run defense in the NFL. So they run the ball

1030
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: well and they stopped the run well in twenty twenty three.

1031
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: That means crap, It means two and nine. It means nothing.

1032
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: And that's their whole mantra in there is we're a

1033
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: tough team. We're gonna stop the run, we're gonna run

1034
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: the ball, we're gonna cover kicks. That gets you to

1035
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: two and nine. Now you know you're your thirtieth in

1036
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: pass EPA, your twenty seventh in EPA pass allowed. So

1037
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: you're top bottom five in passing on both sides of

1038
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: the football, and that's the league.

1039
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: Like that, that's the game. I didn't say it the

1040
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: way you.

1041
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 12: Tweeted it, unfortunately, it's it's two right, Like you're you're

1042
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 12: just you're an antiquated operation right now, like maybe twenty

1043
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 12: years ago, you you would have you would be a

1044
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 12: better football team because you run the ball well, and

1045
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 12: you're tough up front, and you cover kicks and like

1046
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 12: all this kind of stuff doesn't work anymore.

1047
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 11: I wish we could get more of the opposing defenses

1048
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 11: talking about just like how easy they are to defend, Like,

1049
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 11: you know, we used to get those quotes a little

1050
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 11: bit more, but it's always insightful, especially in stuff like

1051
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 11: this where you know, they're just not giving us a

1052
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 11: lot to worry about. Frankly, right, we just kind of

1053
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 11: get up on them and right force them.

1054
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Because no space needs to be given.

1055
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 11: I love the way you put it, which which just

1056
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 11: like congest. I forget exactly what the phrase was, but

1057
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 11: that you know, that's what.

1058
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: It always feels like.

1059
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 11: It's just he's throwing into like this mish moss of

1060
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 11: like seven guys all crossing at once, and like you know,

1061
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 11: he's trying to like get it right through the window.

1062
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 5: They're constantly trying to thread the needle. Yeah, like with

1063
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: everything that you know, if if we do this, and

1064
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 5: we do that, and we do this, and then maybe

1065
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: the other team makes a mistake and that we can

1066
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: score a touchdown. Like that's that's what their offense relies on.

1067
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: To your point, Fred, like you know that's the way.

1068
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: I guess it's a chicken or egg thing, Like can

1069
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: teams do that to this team? Can they play defensively

1070
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: the way they do against this team because the players

1071
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 5: aren't good enough, which I would say is accurate or

1072
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 5: is it because of the system that is set up

1073
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 5: and that's what they want the players to do. So

1074
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter how good the players are because

1075
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 5: they're gonna be crunched down. And Evan's right, they had opportunities.

1076
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: They dialed up plays that called for things to go

1077
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 5: down the field the other day and either he didn't

1078
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 5: throw it down the field or didn't material I'm sure

1079
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 5: it's not but they don't do it a lot.

1080
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they would prefer that the receivers

1081
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: break free and get open.

1082
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: I would prefer they don't, but I would prefer them

1083
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 5: go and get receivers who can break free and get open.

1084
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: They don't. They prefer this.

1085
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, well that was There's an example that I brought up.

1086
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 11: We were talking about it on the way down, and

1087
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 11: I wish I could tell you exactly which play.

1088
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 6: It was one of the third down plays.

1089
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 11: But I think it was Mac tried to target Thornton

1090
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 11: coming on the far outside left and there's you know,

1091
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 11: the defenses in cover one. They've got a safety in

1092
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 11: the middle of the field, and it's like Thornton gets

1093
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 11: off the line, he's even with the guy and it's

1094
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 11: you know, nothing but space in front of him. Use

1095
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 11: your speed, this is what you're here for. And he

1096
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 11: bends it into the coverage and I mean it's just

1097
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 11: again a mish mash.

1098
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: Would raise his head and I'm going, I'm going it.

1099
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: Was a Zappi throw and the linebacker underneath Zappi stared

1100
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 4: it down and he almost picked it.

1101
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, that one, I just uh.

1102
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: Zappi's interception, I think is a perfect example of all

1103
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: of this. So Xavier McKinny is playing post safety on

1104
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: that play, and there's a vertical route that's supposed to

1105
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: occupy Xavier McKinney, but McKinny just has no fear whatsoever

1106
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: that DeVante Parker is going to get targeted on that post.

1107
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: So he just shoots out of a cannon right to

1108
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: the crosser. You know, I loved what Zappi said after

1109
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 4: the game. He said he snipered it, which I'm gonna

1110
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: use forever now. That's awesome. So he snipers it from

1111
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. Other if there's any rest

1112
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: for the post whatsoever, then he has to stay back

1113
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: and he has to play it. But because they just

1114
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: don't fear anything over the top with this offense, he's

1115
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: able to sniper it and then all of a sudden,

1116
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: Juju would have been open, you know, nine times out

1117
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: of ten if the safety doesn't jump it.

1118
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: But you know, was Zappy telegraphing it. I don't know.

1119
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: He stared it down a little bit, but I don't

1120
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Speaker 4: think that it was like the world's worst interception, is

1121
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 4: my point.

1122
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: I totally agree with this. Now, I don't think Zappi

1123
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 5: did any you know, some people were like, oh, you

1124
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 5: gotta you know, look better. It looked bad. It didn't

1125
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: look better. They had even fuel yards in the second

1126
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 5: half than they did in the first half. But I

1127
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: also have seen people say that Zappi through the same

1128
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 5: interception as Mac threw on the first one, and that's

1129
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 5: not true. I agree with what Evan's saying here. I

1130
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 5: thought McKinney made a good play to come off of

1131
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 5: his guy and pick off a pass to Zappy. Now

1132
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 5: I'm not telling you Zappi's absolved of that. He's you know,

1133
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 5: as you get experience, you realize these guys make plays,

1134
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: you know, and there's a good player. Matt Jones threw

1135
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 5: the ball into it again a defensive team meeting and

1136
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: one of them caught it. Like, I don't think it

1137
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 5: was the same. I don't think it was the same

1138
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: at all. And a lot of people on Twitter, no,

1139
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 5: we're comparing the two. I didn't think it was this.

1140
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: And to you know, further the point kind of to

1141
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: Mike's point about the Taekwon play too. They threw like

1142
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 4: at least eight to ten slants in this game and

1143
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 4: completed none of them. And you look at these slants

1144
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: and they're off coverage waiting for here.

1145
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 5: They had one on third and fifteen right, they're.

1146
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: Getting like eight yards of cushion on these plays. If

1147
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: you can't run a three step slant against eight yards

1148
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: of cushion in the NFL.

1149
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 5: They passed over here though it's wild like even like

1150
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 5: like I'll be all over Thornton because we haven't gotten

1151
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: anything out of him. But you're running a slant. That's

1152
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 5: the last thing you want to do is expose yourself

1153
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 5: and do this.

1154
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: Well he did that because Thornton just like did a

1155
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: little at the top and like to forever to get

1156
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 4: out of the route. But like in general, it just

1157
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: if you have eight yards of cushion, if the play

1158
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 4: corner is playing off man against you and you can't

1159
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 4: get him to respect the vertical stem enough to open

1160
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: up a slant three yards down the field, and then.

1161
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 11: I know if he was just sitting there like like

1162
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 11: it just looked like like they knew what was coming.

1163
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 11: They were not threatened at all. I mean it happened

1164
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 11: a lot. I mean Parker would like kind of stumbled

1165
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 11: on one of.

1166
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 5: Them too, like I don't know there was Dory Jackson

1167
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 5: kept jumping on.

1168
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't a report, but I guess a lot of

1169
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: people caught Juju yelling at Troy Brown, and they of us.

1170
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: Know what that exchange according to the Twitter machine.

1171
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't know what that was about. Or well, did.

1172
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: You guys see it?

1173
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: No, I didn't see it.

1174
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: You didn't see it either. I saw the I mean

1175
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 5: the play.

1176
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: It was on the Max after Max interception, the second one,

1177
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, Juju's open, like out of the slot,

1178
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 4: but Max throwing hot there and you don't ever really

1179
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: want to turn your back to the blitz.

1180
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: I think Troy Brown says something to him and then

1181
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: he snapped back.

1182
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know exactly what the exchange was,

1183
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: but I haven't seen anybody report what it was about.

1184
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, there are a couple of times

1185
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 4: in this game. Not to say that Juju was should

1186
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: have had one hundred and fifty yards or something like that,

1187
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: but there were definitely a couple of times in this

1188
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: game where he looked open down the.

1189
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: Fun It's just weird that on an interception, Why would

1190
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: a receiver be yelling at the wide receivers coach?

1191
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I don't know.

1192
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: Unless the wide receivers coach said that was your fault.

1193
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: Troy wouldn't touch it. So I don't know. Someone asked

1194
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 4: him about it this morning.

1195
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 11: I don't know if you would agree with me. Maybe,

1196
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 11: but I saw a little bit out of Juju, little

1197
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 11: bit of movement skills in this game, just I mean,

1198
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 11: nothing that translated, but just a couple of times I said,

1199
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 11: it looks like he's moving on to more.

1200
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 5: I'm thinking he would have been the guy that he

1201
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: was last year had this offense been functional at all. Yeah,

1202
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 5: Like I thought the fourth bound play was a good

1203
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 5: play by Juju.

1204
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 11: I wonder how healthy he's just been too, Like it's

1205
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 11: like he's just getting healthier now and he's really finally getting.

1206
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 5: That fighting anything. Like listen, his days of being a

1207
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 5: die receiver long over. No, but I think he's better

1208
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 5: than what you know, what does he have twenty kids?

1209
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1210
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 11: Well, I just you try to be fair because you

1211
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 11: kill these guys and it's like, you know, if you

1212
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 11: do watch something that I mean, it was just one route.

1213
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 11: They didn't even throw to him, but it was just

1214
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 11: a nice twenty sudden cut and catches all season he has.

1215
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was open on a few crossing round average

1216
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 4: in six years as well.

1217
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 5: One of them.

1218
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: Mac checked down early on in the game that I

1219
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: thought there was a bigger play on the field to

1220
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 4: Juju on the second level crosser, and then I thought

1221
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: he had a chance on the play that Zappi was

1222
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: sacked on two in the second half, that if Zappi

1223
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 4: just kind of threw it up to him, it's NFL

1224
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 4: open type of situation where if you have any trust

1225
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 4: in each other, you kind of just put it up

1226
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: there and let your guy make a play on the ball.

1227
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 4: But clearly we're well beyond having trust in anybody in

1228
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: this offense. And I think that just goes back to

1229
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: my general takeaway from this was that this offense looked

1230
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: like an offense that split fifty to fifty quarterback reps

1231
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: in practice, Like it looked like I wrote an offense

1232
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 4: that I didn't know who their quarterback was going to be.

1233
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 4: And all of that, to me is is on the

1234
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 4: head coach like he and it's wasted energy.

1235
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 5: The ruse was all it was for nothing?

1236
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 8: Do we do we believe the reports that Bill Belichick

1237
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 8: knew Mac was the starter all week long, like and

1238
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 8: the team knew allegedly.

1239
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: Like according to like I've heard both things.

1240
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 9: Andre and Ze like they knew all week.

1241
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: I've heard both.

1242
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 5: I've heard I've heard I've heard both. But I but

1243
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 5: I also believe that he did allow Zappi to take

1244
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 5: a lot of reps during the year.

1245
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: But I but I think that Mac was still going first.

1246
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: I understand Mac had the majority of the reps and

1247
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: that it was clear that he was the starter.

1248
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 9: And then also to sit him down.

1249
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting what Bill O'Brien said today

1250
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 8: that like, you know, he doesn't make that call, that

1251
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 8: it's Robert than Bill then the assistance. I thought that

1252
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 8: was interesting because I'm like, do you think Robert would

1253
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 8: really be in charge of sitting Mac?

1254
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? Bill wute. Bill O'Brien said that Robert was involved

1255
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: in decision.

1256
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 9: There's a chain of command. It goes Robert, then Build.

1257
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 5: But not me. But not that could not have been

1258
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: related to taken out of the game and the game.

1259
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 8: He said, I don't make those calls. There's a chain

1260
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 8: of command. The chance of command is Robert at the top,

1261
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 8: then Build.

1262
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 5: But what was the question on if he if he

1263
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: can make.

1264
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 9: The call to sit Mac this week?

1265
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 5: And okay, I'm talking about during the.

1266
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 8: Game, Noah, But even then, that's still weird.

1267
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 9: I think Robert is not.

1268
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: It's still weird, and I wonder like what he meant

1269
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: by that, Like just in the organization, it's Robert Bill Yeah.

1270
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 5: And I'm envisioning like Robert on the sell. I think

1271
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 5: a lot of people are, you know.

1272
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: Even if it's during the week, If the owner of

1273
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: any team is making practice decisions, that's bad.

1274
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: No, I think people are looking way too much into

1275
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: him mentioning mister Craft a couple of times last couple

1276
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: of weeks, right, honestly.

1277
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, at least I hope. So all right,

1278
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: eight five five Pats five hundred is the a sticket houtline,

1279
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: web radio at pages dot com is the email address

1280
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: to talk about You've got to figure this out and

1281
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: then get our report back to the front office.

1282
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about passioned.

1283
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Eddie's in LA.

1284
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 5: What's up Eddy? I'm gonna tell you alright, but do

1285
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: you go to Aaron first?

1286
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: All right, Aaron's in Connecticut? What's up?

1287
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 5: Aaron?

1288
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: Aaron?

1289
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 5: Aaron? Okay, just take it too long. It's perfect. So

1290
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 5: you know, Paul wants to talk, not that I'm a

1291
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 5: thousand percent with team on Team Fred. Here it's you.

1292
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 5: We're two and nine. The ship is sinking. It's Tuesday.

1293
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: You call before the show starts, and then you get

1294
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 5: pissed off that we make you wait forty five minutes.

1295
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: Before we have to we have things to talk out there.

1296
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 6: Well, it is the run of the show.

1297
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think it's ever been set explicitly,

1298
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 11: but usually the first and I thought it was thirty

1299
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 11: Paul correct me. When I was hosting forty five first

1300
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 11: forty five minutes.

1301
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 5: Tuesdays Chat, Friday Table, Fredday seth, we got to clear

1302
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 5: our throw for forty five minutes to say then you

1303
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: call me then. Obviously I'm not annoyed by it. I

1304
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 5: love our callers, but like you gotta wat there's a lot.

1305
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 5: Everybody has their thoughts from the weekend. Everybody has once

1306
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: their time. I was in that dark room for a

1307
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 5: long time. He's still in a lot of things to say.

1308
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 5: He then you okay in there, but now dom okay,

1309
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 5: Dominique calls in, He's gonna wait about two minutes before

1310
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: he gets to say, I'm not okay, Mike.

1311
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm not acause because Dominique just called and he waited,

1312
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, waiting patiently to call, and now he did

1313
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: when there was a break. I'm gonna put him right

1314
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: on Dominiques in New York. What's that Dominique the virtue?

1315
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: So that's right, here's that.

1316
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 5: There you go.

1317
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 13: So I just had to get my thoughts off. And

1318
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 13: this is so weird for me because them watching the

1319
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 13: past is like one O two and this is the

1320
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 13: first time we've been like bad dad, like since ninety three,

1321
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 13: I think, and you know, we got to do a

1322
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 13: bleststofter this year. So I'm at this point where I

1323
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 13: was holding out hope for the first week two, three,

1324
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 13: four five, and kept going back and forth, maybe we

1325
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 13: could do this, Maybe we could do this, especially with

1326
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 13: the bills how they look right, you know, thinking maybe

1327
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 13: we could have a chance if we're just confident enough,

1328
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 13: and we're not that. And I found myself in the

1329
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 13: position where I know, Fred you mentioned you hate, you know,

1330
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 13: seeing them be two and nine, But at this point

1331
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 13: I'm kind of shipping to I kind of want them

1332
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 13: to be to a nine. Sadly, I kind of want

1333
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 13: them to lose out because I want a franchise altering player.

1334
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 13: We need to build this thing from the ground up again,

1335
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 13: and to do that, you need to have a top five,

1336
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 13: honestly top three pick, especially with you know, the quarterbacks

1337
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 13: in this class this year. So it kind of sucks

1338
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 13: because you know, I want them to win. But I

1339
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 13: flip the script and I said, you know what, let's

1340
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 13: get that top pick. Let's hear where it goes. I'd

1341
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 13: rather be terrible because you know where at rock bottom

1342
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 13: you can go up versus kind of being middling like

1343
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 13: the Bills, and truly that's what they are, and even

1344
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 13: to the Jets not knowing what you might get with

1345
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 13: Aaron Rodgers when he comes back, and Zach Wilson is

1346
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 13: you know, he just sucks. So you know, that's that's

1347
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 13: my thoughts. I hate to be in this position. But

1348
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 13: you know, thank for Taylor, all right, thank you.

1349
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: I understand Dominiqu's point, but there's a difference between being

1350
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: in this position and being in this position like that.

1351
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 4: It doesn't just because you're a two and nine team

1352
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 4: record wise, doesn't mean that the games have to be

1353
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: just terrible, you know. Like that That's the thing I

1354
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: think that I keep on coming back to is like

1355
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: they don't have to look this bad to be two

1356
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: and nine.

1357
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly there is that silver lining when you lose,

1358
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, keep losing, and you're in this position and

1359
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: you know for the draft. But the other thing that

1360
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: is killing us is the uncertainty about the front office. Like, okay,

1361
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: so let's say we have a top three pick and

1362
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: we get Caleb Williams or Drake May.

1363
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 4: Who's gonna be coaching He's gonna be coaching at any

1364
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: of those answers.

1365
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 8: I feel like that's another one of like Evans isms

1366
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 8: when he's like, that's just like putting makeup on a pig,

1367
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 8: like you're gonna get the new piece. But then if

1368
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 8: Bill's still coaching it, it might look exactly the same.

1369
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 4: I might look exactly the same if Ben Johnson's coaching it.

1370
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: If they don't upgrade the rest of it around it,

1371
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: I just think like offensively interesting, they you know, trying

1372
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 4: to think about, all right, who do you think is

1373
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: like worthy of being like a part of this next

1374
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: iteration of the Patriots offense? And it's like two or

1375
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: three guys like it's Remondre Stevenson, it's Mike on Winning

1376
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 4: if they resign him, and it's probably Pop Douglas and

1377
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: whatever David Andrews decides to do if he decides to

1378
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 4: retire or if he decides to keep playing, and the

1379
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 4: rest of it, I would say is spots are up

1380
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: for grabs like the rest of it, like it's a

1381
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: competition for everybody else.

1382
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: Lee's in Uk. I really feel for Mac. He looked

1383
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: terrible and it's looked awful for weeks. He looked on

1384
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: a par with how Zach Wilson looked when the Patriots

1385
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: played them, and I felt for him at the time

1386
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't be put up as a sacrificial lamp.

1387
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: I for one, don't want Bill to go, because that

1388
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: truly is the last page in the chapter. I don't

1389
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: want to be a team searching for an identity, continually

1390
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: changing coaches and quarterbacks. When you look at the draft

1391
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: of twenty one, other than Lawrence, I don't think any

1392
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks look franchise great. I normally watch red

1393
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: Zone for the game, but the Patriots don't appear very

1394
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: often at the moment, so I had to watch the

1395
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: whole game. On the Giants game, my takeaways, Taekwan and

1396
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: Buddet play caught catches and Taekwon didn't get injured. That's

1397
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: unheard of. He's made of glass. He should have fragile

1398
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: stickers on him. And I don't understand how clotheslining a

1399
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: punt receiver isn't a penalty when touching the kicker is.

1400
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 6: I thought he did. He did a good deep dive

1401
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 6: on the rule book on something.

1402
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 5: That because I'm still baffled he does a deep dive

1403
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 5: on the rule book for a punt.

1404
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, Yeah, it was you can't hit the

1405
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 11: guy in the helmet.

1406
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 6: With your arm.

1407
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 11: I think, I mean that'sue but it's and I mean

1408
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 11: it's one of the rules in the rule but I

1409
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 11: they I mean it was.

1410
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 5: One of the I think, like, like I like to say, Fred,

1411
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 5: do you remember years ago we used to say, like

1412
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 5: you kind of unnecessary roughness, you know, you know when

1413
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 5: you see it, thought that was unnecessarily.

1414
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 4: I also, I the one thing I will say is

1415
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: that I about that. I kind of did like the

1416
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 4: response that the Patriots had to it in the moment,

1417
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: because I don't think that has always been there this year, Yeah,

1418
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 4: particularly for.

1419
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 5: The quarter that would I would want my players to

1420
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 5: react like that. I totally yeah.

1421
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: So, I I was watching the Chargers Ravens game back

1422
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: the Ravens hit Justin Herbert.

1423
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 5: Late on the sideline.

1424
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: I remember this, and uh, one of the offensive linemen,

1425
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 4: I think it was a sailor, the guy from Georgia

1426
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 4: came over and clocked crazy.

1427
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 5: That's not the first time they did. They did that

1428
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 5: to the Raiders earlier in.

1429
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: The year too, and it was it ended up he

1430
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: got a penalty for it, the Chargers guy. Yeah, third

1431
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 4: and nineteen. Uh, you know from right in the red

1432
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 4: like a third and nineteen from the nineteen.

1433
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 5: So that's just the fine line. Yeah, so he got

1434
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 5: a penalty for it.

1435
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I that's one of

1436
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 4: those penalties you kind of take, you know.

1437
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: The hit on pop though. You know, I have to say, like.

1438
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 5: If I don't think it was a cheap shot, I

1439
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 5: don't think it was.

1440
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: If you stick your arm out and hit a guy

1441
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: in the chest, you know, just the right way he's

1442
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna go.

1443
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 5: Question. Yes, I totally agree with you, Fred. Like Mike

1444
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 5: and I were like talking about this, like I was like,

1445
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 5: I don't know how I feel about this play, Like, right,

1446
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 5: he didn't hit him with his head. No, But as

1447
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: Mike said, as a as a hockey official, it's an

1448
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 5: easy like the principal, Yeah, it's head contact. So he did,

1449
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 5: like his arm hit him in the head. So is

1450
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 5: that a penalty?

1451
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 11: And I got Bart's thing up. I mean, this is

1452
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 11: Article fourteen striking, kicking, tripping, or kneeing opponents, and we

1453
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 11: go down.

1454
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: To letter D.

1455
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 11: All players are prohibited from d striking, swinging at, or

1456
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 11: clubbing the head, neck, or face of an opponent with

1457
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 11: the wrist, arms, elbows.

1458
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 5: I would argue that he didn't do that. I would

1459
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 5: argue that his arm hit the guy in the head, right,

1460
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 5: I don't think strike him, I don't think strike them. Yeah,

1461
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 5: yeah he did. But he was like he's running to

1462
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 5: make a tackle and the head hit his arm, you know,

1463
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 5: Like I think it's unnecessary rough I think it's it's like, yeah,

1464
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 5: how many times I think it's unnecessary All you didn't.

1465
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: Tackle when you played football, But for those of us

1466
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: who attempted to tackle, how many how many times were

1467
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: you squared up in front of a shifty player and

1468
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden time he's over there and you

1469
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: just stick your arm out, you know.

1470
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 4: So if the guys that's why I got hit in

1471
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 4: the head so many times, I.

1472
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: Think I think you could you could call unnecessary roughness

1473
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 5: on that. But I am not like like, I'm not

1474
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 5: I'm not. Yeah, I'm not with the Twitter on this one.

1475
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 5: Like the DeVante Parker one was a headshot that they

1476
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 5: didn't call. That was a head shot that's got to

1477
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 5: be called.

1478
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: Robin San Diego via Connecticut. Postseason discussions of tides and

1479
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: what constitutes an Italian sub can't get here fast enough.

1480
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: Two questions for the crew. One, I remember people including

1481
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: myself emailing or calling last offseason saying the moves Bill

1482
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: was making or not enough, then doing so again after

1483
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: the draft. In your opinion, you'd think Bill believe this

1484
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: roster was good enough on offense. It's hard for me

1485
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: to believe, as I'll be the first to admit he

1486
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: knows more about football than I'll ever understand. Yet there

1487
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: I was saying this roster is just not good.

1488
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 11: I wish I could I wish I could say.

1489
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 6: I don't know how we did.

1490
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 5: I think they looked. I think it was okay. Yeah.

1491
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 4: I think that they look at the last handful of

1492
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 4: games that they've played, the Giants, the Colts, the Commanders,

1493
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 4: and they say that was that was the plan. That

1494
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 4: was the plan, that was the plan. Coming in, we

1495
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 4: were gonna play really good defense. We were gonna win games.

1496
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 4: You know, higher scoring games are gonna be twenty one

1497
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: to twenty. Lower scoring games are going to be thirteen

1498
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: to ten.

1499
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 5: And this is my point about answering.

1500
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 4: And he believes that the ball security on offense is

1501
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 4: why they didn't come out on on the right side

1502
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 4: of these games.

1503
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm with Paul, and I would say the

1504
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 5: last two is probably right. The command they didn't lose

1505
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 5: the Commander's game because of ball security.

1506
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: They didn't.

1507
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 5: You can make an argument the Commanders didn't win that

1508
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 5: game by three touchdowns because of their poor ball sky.

1509
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 4: But you also just look at these games, and I

1510
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 4: think this is where his blind of thinking goes wrong.

1511
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 4: Is that even if you do all the things that

1512
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,479
Speaker 4: you plan on doing, the quarterback and the offense still

1513
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 4: has to make some plays.

1514
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 5: At the end of the game to get you the win, right.

1515
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 5: And so if you that's a part of the equation

1516
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 5: that he does not take it right so you can win.

1517
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: You could have won this game on Sunday thirteen to ten.

1518
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 4: If you know Bailey's app he had stuck on taekwon

1519
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: Thornton a little bit longer and zipped in a touchdown

1520
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 4: pass like he should have, but the quarterback didn't make

1521
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 4: a play and the kicker misses the field goal.

1522
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 5: And you lose, and you lose the game.

1523
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Speaker 4: Like those are I think where he misses it is that, Yeah,

1524
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 4: you could maybe design a game plan to get you

1525
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 4: to that point. But if mac Jones throws an interception

1526
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 4: at the end of the Colts game the windows or right, like,

1527
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, your margin is zero.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like we talked earlier about, you know,

1529
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Bill's mentioned a couple of times, oh, you know, we're close.

1530
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: It was close, like the way he like criticized Ryland

1531
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: after this game, like he deserved it, but like saying,

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, basically he missed two extra points, meaning we

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: could have tied this game, but he blew it.

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Speaker 5: So I totally agree with you, Fred, And I think

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 5: that's another example of him trying to tell you, Oh,

1536
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 5: what do you want me to do? I can't I

1537
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 5: can't kick the extra point for him, Like that's why

1538
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 5: we lost these two games, right, Like that's what he's trying.

1539
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: To I put the team in position to tie this game.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Fred, I thought that was a

1541
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 5: little bit harsh for a rookie kicker. Not that he

1542
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 5: didn't know, like as you said, not that he didn't

1543
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 5: deserve it, and they're all big boys.

1544
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 11: I just this is just something I can't resign myself

1545
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 11: to Bill Belichick watching the film of this team and

1546
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 11: being like, we're close, We're close.

1547
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.

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01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 5: You know, Like to him, it's listen, this is I

1549
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 5: want to be really respectful. I think there's a mentality

1550
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 5: that he has that that's exactly the way he wants

1551
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: to win. So it's all on him. And everybody says,

1552
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 5: can you imagine he squeezed seven wins out of that ros.

1553
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 4: Well, I think on that O Brian said today that

1554
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 4: it's an eight and nine to nine and eight league,

1555
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 4: That's what he said, and that these one score games

1556
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 4: is what tips you in one side of that scale.

1557
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 5: So I don't know if Bill loll one score game.

1558
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 5: I don't know if the Eagles are the best team

1559
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 5: in football and they're like eight no in one score

1560
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 5: games or some silly thing like that.

1561
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 4: But that's that's that's the way that they look at it,

1562
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying, is that they look at it

1563
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 4: like if we had just made the plays at the

1564
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 4: end of these games. I'm sure they look at the

1565
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 4: Eagles game and Week one the same exact way. If

1566
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 4: we just had made the plays at the end of

1567
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 4: these games, we could easily be you know, into your

1568
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 4: and whatever right now, or nine to two instead of

1569
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 4: two and nine.

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01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 5: To your point, Yeah, they could have made plays at

1571
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 5: the end of the Eagles game. But if you didn't

1572
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 5: set it up so you had to make the play

1573
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 5: at the end of the Eagles game, you wouldn't have

1574
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 5: been down two scores in the fourth quarter, right Or

1575
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 5: everything has to be perfect now for us to win.

1576
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 4: Right Or if you just had the great players that

1577
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 4: could go out and make those games winning plays, then

1578
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 4: maybe like.

1579
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 5: The Eagles do. Right, that's how you are. But I

1580
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 5: think the Eagles in the in the Dolphins, you're down

1581
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 5: two scores in the fourth quarter of eventual one score losses.

1582
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 5: Those aren't the same as losing ten six and ten

1583
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 5: seven when you're turning the ball over in the red zone.

1584
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Second question by Rob Max Simmessi says, my question is

1585
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 1: what happened? Yes, Freddy's someone's son, but it was also

1586
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: he was also a first round pick. Was the talent

1587
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: evaluation off on Mac because it seemed consensus, or have

1588
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots just broken him? If the talent evaluation was correct,

1589
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: could he bounce back and be a starter with another team.

1590
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 4: So I don't think the talent of like I push

1591
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 4: back on people that say, you know, like you're one

1592
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: of your guys. Jim Murray said that people like me

1593
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 4: should just admit that we're wrong and take the l

1594
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 4: and that Mac always sucked like that. That's what I

1595
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 4: don't agree with that. I don't sucked as a strong

1596
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 4: I still feel the same way. I still feel like

1597
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: he had himself on a career trajectory to be eight

1598
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 4: in the ten to fifteen range of NFL quarterbacks and

1599
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: to be a functional NFL starter that could manage games

1600
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: and that you could win games with, not necessarily win

1601
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 4: games because of, but win games with. And I think

1602
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 4: that the nurture argument is how we got to suck.

1603
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 4: You know, we got from medicaa game manager to suck.

1604
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 4: Like I never thought that Mac Jones is going to

1605
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 4: be this elite quarterback, and people that did think that,

1606
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 4: I think we're pie in the sky, you know, dreaming.

1607
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think back to the rookie year and

1608
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 5: people telling me that he could be Joe Burrow. I

1609
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 5: just like, I'm just like, I don't know what you

1610
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 5: ever watched. And I'm not talking about Joe Burrow. Now,

1611
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 5: don't make me do it, Okay, No, that's my point.

1612
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 5: Why would you do that when you know that I

1613
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 5: have it.

1614
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 8: I would have to buy those people in new pair

1615
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 8: of glasses for Christmas because there's no way like.

1616
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,440
Speaker 9: Those two are incomparable.

1617
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 5: Do yourself a favor if you want to have a laugh,

1618
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 5: Like if you have five minutes and you want to

1619
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 5: have a laugh at the show, google mac Jones can

1620
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 5: be Joe Burrow.

1621
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 14: Oh god.

1622
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you you will get no few You'll

1623
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 5: get no fewer than like ten links Mike do So

1624
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 5: I think the different. I don't think you'll find Mike.

1625
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 5: So people like me because.

1626
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 4: I you know, I am a nerd with this kind

1627
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 4: of stuff.

1628
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 5: I remember talking about Joe Burrow, this kind of stuff.

1629
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Joe Burrows, fair enough, Joe Burrow's work with

1630
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 4: Jordan Palmer, and how Joe Burrow from year one to

1631
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 4: year or two improved velocity on the ball. And I

1632
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 4: think people I use that comparison, you know, Brady did it,

1633
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 4: Breeze did it. Burrow did it like a lot of quarterbacks.

1634
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 4: But that's not saying that he's eventually going to be

1635
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. It's just that I can be done, I think,

1636
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 4: is what the smart people said.

1637
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not I didn't even realize you had done that.

1638
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 5: But I'm not talking about like if you say it

1639
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 5: like a specific skill set. I'm talking there were people,

1640
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 5: and they were more than one of them that said,

1641
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 5: there's no reason why if he had h if he

1642
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 5: had the playing well no, no, this is before he

1643
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 5: had Chas Borrow didn't have Chase as a rookie. He

1644
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 5: already showed me way more as a rookie when he

1645
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 5: tore his a cl and got killed stratospheres.

1646
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: I always thought that, you know, Mac, the way he

1647
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 4: played his rookie year, the tools coming out. He was

1648
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 4: the fifth quarterback drafted for a reason. So when people

1649
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,839
Speaker 4: say that they missed on the evaluation, I don't necessarily

1650
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 4: agree with that, because it wasn't like they drafted him

1651
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: over you know, three other quarterbacks. They that's the guy

1652
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: that fell in their lap.

1653
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 5: And I thought, I'm coming out, but you look at

1654
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 5: all I thought maybe in the second round.

1655
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 4: I thought he was an average quarterback in the NFL.

1656
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 4: I think he still could have been if they didn't.

1657
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 5: I think he could have been average ish.

1658
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 11: Yes, he's just that example of that quarterback and you

1659
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 11: need a quarterback.

1660
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 6: He's the guy.

1661
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 11: This is the spot you just kind of have to

1662
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 11: take them like. There's not really like a look back

1663
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 11: of another option at that point.

1664
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 5: I mean there could have been. They handled the previous

1665
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 5: year properly, but they didn't like So that's what's so

1666
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 5: amazing about it. The quarterback in aptitude. We haven't really

1667
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 5: even touched on yet either. This has all been mac

1668
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 5: and he's broken. And the nurture I like your nurture thing,

1669
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 5: by the way, because I do think nurture got him

1670
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 5: to suck. Yes, I agree with that. That's that's the

1671
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 5: headline signed. I just want to give him credit nurture.

1672
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 5: The backup quarterback situation. Okay, so what the number that's

1673
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 5: everybody's talking about. Eighteen transactions. I think they've made a quarterback.

1674
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 5: So you go from Trace mcsolely to Blake Bailey Zappy

1675
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 5: to whoever Matt corral Ian book the launcher. This will

1676
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 5: Greer Malie Cunningham they're all been signed, cut back to

1677
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 5: the practice squad. Whatever what if you had just in

1678
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 5: twenty twenty allowed Jared stad him to play a couple

1679
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 5: of games. I'm not telling you that you have a

1680
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 5: pro bowler on your team, But do you not have

1681
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 5: to go through the nonsense that you went through to

1682
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 5: try to find a backup quarterback? Maybe you would have known, hey,

1683
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 5: this is a guy. I don't know if he's the answer,

1684
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 5: but we can retain this guy for cheap money. He's

1685
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 5: in our system. He can be our backup, and maybe

1686
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 5: we still draft Mac Jones. But now when Mac Jones falters,

1687
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 5: we have a guy that's been on our system for

1688
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 5: five or six years now to fault to go back to.

1689
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 5: And again I'm not telling you that means instead of

1690
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 5: two and nine, you'd be nine to two because Jared

1691
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 5: Stidham's the missing link. But you've cut six backup quarterbacks, right,

1692
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 5: whatever the number is, you've cut them all. At least

1693
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 5: once you had one who wasn't costing you anything, and

1694
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 5: you kept playing Cam Newton.

1695
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 4: I just can't believe, looking back on the twenty twenty season,

1696
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 4: when you put together all the equation, like Brady Leaves,

1697
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 4: they really didn't have cap space to go out and

1698
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 4: go crazy that offseason. It's the COVID year, like High Tower,

1699
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 4: all those guys opt out. The fact that they didn't

1700
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: tank that season is still like, how did you not

1701
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 4: tank that season?

1702
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 15: Like?

1703
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 5: How did you not do that?

1704
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 4: And I get that Trevor Lawrence is probably the only

1705
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 4: good quarterback out of that class, but I at least

1706
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 4: would have liked to have had the option of going

1707
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 4: in whatever direction I wanted to go in, and instead

1708
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 4: they middle it and they finished fifteenth in the league,

1709
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 4: and you get what you get, Like I just I

1710
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,440
Speaker 4: can't believe they didn't tank that season.

1711
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 5: All right.

1712
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: I believe that Paul's food is here. So we'll take

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Speaker 7: Mac Jones joined Jones and mego with r Ken yesterday

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Speaker 7: on a Patriots Monday on Wei. Let's have a listen

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Speaker 7: to what he had to say.

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Speaker 15: When you look at those controllables, what is most imperative

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Speaker 15: to you to improve?

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Speaker 1: I learned from.

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Speaker 10: My my high school coach, and a lot of it's

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01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 10: just your attitude and your effort, and when things are

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Speaker 10: going well, you have to focus on those things. And

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Speaker 10: I will do that I've done that and I'm going

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Speaker 10: to continue to do that. Obviously, the results we've talked

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Speaker 10: about haven't been there, but he has to be able

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Speaker 10: to focus on those two things, and once those two

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Speaker 10: things are in place, at that point anything could happen

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Speaker 10: and the results will come and everything will come back

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Speaker 10: around eventually.

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Speaker 1: Mac.

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Speaker 17: We're not privy to what goes on in practice, but

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Speaker 17: it seems like you've been winning the job, you know,

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Speaker 17: and you've been starting all of these weeks. What's been

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Speaker 17: positive for you in practice that hasn't been sort of

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Speaker 17: translating over into these games. If there's any one thing.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just and that's

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 10: a really good question. I think obviously, when you practice,

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Speaker 10: you go against certain looks and you see certain things,

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Speaker 10: and for me, I do put a lot into it.

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Speaker 10: I prepare very well, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 10: I just need to go out there and play football

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Speaker 10: and trust my training. And I've done that times. I

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Speaker 10: feel like I can do a better job of that

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Speaker 10: at other times excuse me. And that's one of the

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Speaker 10: biggest things, is it's taking that to the game and

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Speaker 10: really just playing football. Just say I did when I

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Speaker 10: was little because I prepare. You know, I work hard,

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Speaker 10: so does everybody else on our team, and it just

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Speaker 10: has to try to translate. And one of the biggest

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Speaker 10: things is they're just playing football and not singing too much.

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Speaker 18: How different were practices last week in terms of your reps?

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Speaker 18: You know, from the outside looking in, it seemed different.

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Speaker 18: We've kind of heard some conflicting things after the game.

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Speaker 18: Do you feel that you've got enough work in during

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Speaker 18: the week to be ready to go?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, very hard. Literally every second of the day is

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Speaker 10: preparation for the game. So I do a confident in myself,

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Speaker 10: and I, like we talked about, just need to do

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Speaker 10: a little better job of taking what I know and

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Speaker 10: what I need to do on game day and applying

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Speaker 10: that to each situation. There's so many situations I can

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Speaker 10: pop up, and like I just said, quarterbacks to the

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Speaker 10: hardest position in sports, and there's a lot of things

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Speaker 10: that can happen on each play really, so I just

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Speaker 10: have to really focus on taking those reps in practice

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Speaker 10: and applying it to the game. And then also when

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Speaker 10: I don't get the reps, just works like I always

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Speaker 10: do and get my throws in and get my throat count.

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Speaker 10: I think That's a very important thing for me, is

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Speaker 10: how many of those I'm getting each week, and that

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Speaker 10: varies from week to week, but it's pretty much in

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Speaker 10: the same range of those reps, I guess Mac.

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Speaker 15: We're hearing a lot about the different levels of communication

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Speaker 15: between the coaching staff and the players leading up to

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Speaker 15: game day. Clearly with the quarterback situation, I'm wondering what

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Speaker 15: the communication is like between you and Bill one on

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Speaker 15: one at this point. We used to hear about Tom

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Speaker 15: Brady having these weekly meetings with him, and I know

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Speaker 15: that you've said that's something you've done from time to time.

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Speaker 15: What is your one on one time with Bill during

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Speaker 15: the season like at this point.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I definitely think it varies from week to week.

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Speaker 10: And I try to communicate with people and get input

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Speaker 10: and find out way that I can do better. So

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Speaker 10: that's what I always try to do, whether it's the

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Speaker 10: quarterback coach or the head coach or anything anywhere I've been,

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Speaker 10: that's what I've always done. But yeah, I mean, at

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Speaker 10: the end of the day, I said, I put the

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Speaker 10: work in, I got to go out there and be

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Speaker 10: the best I can be. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 10: variables each week that change. But for me, I just

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Speaker 10: have to control what I can control.

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Speaker 17: One thing that some announcers will pointed out is some

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Speaker 17: of the backfoot throws when you when you see the

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Speaker 17: rush coming, is that sort of something? Is that a

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Speaker 17: panic move?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 17: What's what's sort of been the the answer to that?

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Speaker 17: And you what are you doing to try and cut

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Speaker 17: down on those?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just focus on

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Speaker 10: my footwork and practice and I do. I wrap it

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Speaker 10: every day. I work drills every day to correct that,

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Speaker 10: and a lot of it's just in the game when

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Speaker 10: things happen, like I talked about, there's you know, sometimes

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Speaker 10: there's a clean party. Sometimes maybe you know there's a

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Speaker 10: guy that comes free or whatever. It's the NFL, right,

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Speaker 10: guys are going to make plays. But how can I

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Speaker 10: apply my practice to the game. And offensive line's done

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Speaker 10: a really good job, you know throughout the weeks of

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Speaker 10: just stay staying in there and I'm making the blocks

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Speaker 10: and pass protection and we've been able to run the ball.

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Speaker 10: So definitely something I want to continue to work on.

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Speaker 10: And really, like you said, why is it happening? So

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Speaker 10: I've kind of identified the why, and now I just

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Speaker 10: have to continue.

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Speaker 5: To fix it.

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Speaker 18: Mac Jones joining us here on a Patriots Monday on

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Speaker 18: Jones and Mega with r ken On Wee. I, Mac,

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Speaker 18: we've done this stance a lot this year. Are you

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Speaker 18: still the starting quarterback of the New England Patriots?

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Speaker 10: Look? You all always asked me, right, And I think

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Speaker 10: the biggest thing for me is that's a result. I'm

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Speaker 10: going to focus on the process this week, focus on

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Speaker 10: competing and getting better. And that's all I've ever done

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Speaker 10: at any sport. And I know that if I do

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Speaker 10: that then we'll be in good, good hands. So that's

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Speaker 10: something I need to focus on as always. And I

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Speaker 10: do have confidence myself and I have confidence in the

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Speaker 10: guys room.

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Speaker 18: Okay, so this might sound weird, but do you do

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Speaker 18: you want to be the starting quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Is there any part of you that wants a fresh start?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I'm good right now. I really want to

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Speaker 10: be the quarterback here. I've always wanted to be a

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Speaker 10: quarterback in the NFL and specifically for the Patriots. And

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Speaker 10: like I said, I got a lot of room to

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Speaker 10: grow and everything, and I'm going to just continue to

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Speaker 10: work hard and do all the things I can to

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Speaker 10: put myself in a position to have success.

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Speaker 15: You mentioned your goals around attitude and effort. When you

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Speaker 15: look around the locker room, who on this team in

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Speaker 15: such a challenging season do you admire for that the

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Speaker 15: aspects of their character that way.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of guys. I think, you know,

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Speaker 10: some people that we may not talk about as much,

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Speaker 10: like Cavai and people like that who have played a

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Speaker 10: lot of football in the league and have been on

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Speaker 10: different teams and win throw up and downs. Chris having

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Speaker 10: with them and d Wise. You know, d Wise always

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Speaker 10: has great attitudes and I really appreciate that about him.

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Speaker 10: So there's guys out there that you know, do a

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Speaker 10: very job on the field, but they're also very positive.

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Speaker 10: And Slater obviously provides that leadership for us from top down.

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Speaker 10: So I've been very impressed to see, you know, which

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Speaker 10: guys of the right attitudes and I think that will

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Speaker 10: just continue to show.

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Speaker 17: Here Mac again, maybe a weird question, but do you

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Speaker 17: think you now or at any point this year, sort

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Speaker 17: of had the yips? You know what that is? I mean,

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Speaker 17: do you think that that's something that's that's happened to you?

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Speaker 10: What's the what is that the yips?

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Speaker 17: Where I don't know it's a golf thing where you

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Speaker 17: can't you know, you're a baseball thing. You can't make

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Speaker 17: an easy throw.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if that's like a legit question sports,

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Speaker 10: but no, I don't think so. I think when I

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Speaker 10: look at some of the things I've done in the games,

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Speaker 10: you have to put yourself in the quarterbacks shoes, and

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Speaker 10: there's a lot of things I can do better, a

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Speaker 10: lot of things I'll improve on, but definitely have confidence.

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Speaker 10: I definitely want to continue to work on that and

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Speaker 10: grow and make the right throws and commit to my throws.

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Speaker 10: Of the last thing you want to do is be noncommittal.

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Speaker 10: So definitely want to commit to my throws and make

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Speaker 10: sure I'm all in.

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Speaker 18: There was a report in the Boston Herald eighty percent

1898
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 18: estimated talking to some sources within the locker room, eighty

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Speaker 18: percent of the locker room no longer supported you as

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Speaker 18: the starting quarterback. Do you feel that you have the

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Speaker 18: support of your teammates.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I didn't. You know, I don't really deal with

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 10: the sources and things like that, and that's not really

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 10: my thing. But I think, you know, I put a

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Speaker 10: lot of work in in the off season throughout the

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01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 10: past three years I've been here, and I attitude, my effort.

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01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 10: I'm going to control I talked about and I've been

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 10: with some of these guys for three years and some

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01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 10: of these guys are rookies this year and forgetting to

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Speaker 10: know me. But at the end of the day, I'm

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Speaker 10: I'm going to continue to fight and I know that

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Speaker 10: the guys that are going to do a good job

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Speaker 10: of doing the same. So whoever wants to do that

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Speaker 10: and get on board, I know they're going to fight

1915
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 10: and continue to work hard. And that's all you can

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Speaker 10: have for mac.

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Speaker 15: Has the play calling process changed it all for you

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Speaker 15: while you've been here this year under Bill O'Brien, It

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Speaker 15: just it sometimes seems like when we see Bailly Zappy

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Speaker 15: go in there there's a plant call of a lot

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Speaker 15: more screen passes and then focus on the run. Are

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Speaker 15: there different approaches for the two of you that you're

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Speaker 15: aware of.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, everyone's different and I've been in different offenses and

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Speaker 10: had different coordinators each year, and really at the end

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01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 10: of the day, I just got to get back to

1927
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 10: executing my part and what's the play? What's my read?

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Speaker 10: You know, paint the picture of the play. It's a

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Speaker 10: big thing for me, where the receiver going to be

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Speaker 10: and then from there to executed and regardless of what's called.

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Speaker 10: I think that's something that I need to focus on that.

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Speaker 19: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements

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Speaker 19: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

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Speaker 19: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

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Speaker 19: now it's next for residential delivery only.

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Speaker 5: And now great moments in history. Girl talking about what's

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Speaker 5: the what's the update? What's the update? Diana, let me

1938
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 5: you know, we should probably take a break so we

1939
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 5: can hear this breaking news. Her talking about Doug Marron's job.

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Speaker 1: Right, like her.

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Speaker 9: Jumpsuit, she looks good.

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Speaker 1: I'm obri I'm glad we have female representation, further furthering.

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Speaker 5: Women in sports for generations to come. I like her jumpsuit.

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Speaker 2: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 1: Great Megan O'Brien Moran connolly.

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Speaker 5: That was that I like to jumpsuit.

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Speaker 1: But she knew what she was doing. Oh, Megan was great,

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Speaker 1: all right, eight five five pasts, five hundred days. Take

1949
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Speaker 1: a hotline web radio at Patriots dot com. Is the

1950
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: email address. Deuce Tamara, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and the booth,

1951
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Todd wants to kick Paul in the nuts? And what's

1952
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: up for this? In his old age? Why do you

1953
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: want to kick him in the nuts?

1954
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 20: Saddler going on, except both of them are in one person,

1955
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 20: kind of creepy. I think what's happened here is we've

1956
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 20: there's been too much complacency, and I think too much

1957
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 20: dependency on Bill. I have heard some scuttle but that

1958
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 20: they think that Jonathan needs to start taking over, that

1959
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 20: that Roberts just become a little complacent with Bill, and

1960
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 20: then Bill thinks he can turn anybody into Tom Brady

1961
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 20: and run, as you guys said, run the offense and stuff,

1962
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 20: and it's just not working, and it hasn't worked for many,

1963
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 20: many years. And I think this is just we just

1964
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 20: didn't realize what Brady meant to this team really until

1965
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 20: this year. And this year was kind of like, holy cool,

1966
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 20: and he could do it.

1967
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 5: Why why do you want to kick Why do you

1968
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 5: want to? What did I do want? Why do you

1969
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 5: want to kick me? Nuts?

1970
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 14: You know?

1971
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 20: Unable to stay on the phone for forty five minutes

1972
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 20: because they maybe they didn't realize maybe it's the first

1973
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 20: time called they didn't realize that the show went on

1974
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 20: for forty five minutes before you could get.

1975
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: In, or you know, I'm not buying that. I'm not

1976
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: buying that.

1977
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 5: You're being an apologist, right because because you usually do that.

1978
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Todd, I'm with you. People don't have

1979
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 5: all that.

1980
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 13: Nobody has to be with me.

1981
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 5: I'm no, I'm with you to people don't have all day.

1982
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 5: I get it, people don't have all day. I wouldn't

1983
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 5: do what Dominique did. And I wait, so the pretty I'm.

1984
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 4: Just saying that, you know, maybe that guy had a meeting,

1985
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 4: Maybe he had to go pick up his skid at school.

1986
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 5: Maybe, like I was just joking Abound, he was.

1987
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 11: In a school play that he needed to go see

1988
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 11: anderend that everyone wants.

1989
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 5: I don't know, everybody says, maybe he's like, you know,

1990
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 5: unruly offensive coordinator. Did you ever think of that?

1991
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: Matthews and Virginia Beach? What's up, Matthew, Matthew, how you doing? Guys?

1992
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 15: Hey?

1993
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 21: Haven't you all got me?

1994
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1995
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 21: I just want to say real quick, longtime listener, first

1996
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 21: time caller. Thanks, appreciate everything you guys do. I love

1997
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 21: having the privilege to listen to you. Weekend and week

1998
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 21: out for years now. My question is, you know, it

1999
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 21: goes without saying that the Patriots right now are they're

2000
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 21: a bad team? And are we teetering on becoming a

2001
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 21: bad organization? And what I mean by that is all

2002
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 21: reference maybe the Raiders, where just year in and year

2003
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 21: out you just see all the blunders and the head

2004
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 21: coaching positions, just a revolving door and just questionable decisions

2005
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 21: made throughout the front office and the roster. I would

2006
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 21: hope to think that with the Crafts in charge, that

2007
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 21: we wouldn't really be in danger of seeing the Patriots

2008
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 21: become that. I just wanted to get your two cents on.

2009
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 21: If it's trending that way, then it's been, you know,

2010
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 21: trending in the wrong direction now for going on four years,

2011
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 21: almost five years, I would say the last year of

2012
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 21: Brady being in New England, we saw things trending sort

2013
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 21: of downwards. I just like here his thoughts on that it's.

2014
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: A valid concern because who's the GM of this team?

2015
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: You know, like, yes, it's Bill, But let's say you

2016
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: know January comes around and Bill's not who's the GM?

2017
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 5: Well they have to make a higher I know, but

2018
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 5: like but but so I'll say this, I dare I

2019
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 5: don't know.

2020
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: We're worried. We're worried about the new who's going to

2021
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,759
Speaker 1: be the new head coach? Assuming Bill's not here, which.

2022
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 5: Is right we should be.

2023
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 1: You need a new but who's going to be the GM?

2024
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Because that could be even more But before we have

2025
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: a revolving door, Thanks Matthew.

2026
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 5: Can we acknowledge the fact that they've had the same

2027
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 5: head coach and generalman twenty five years?

2028
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: But but that's what happens though, is you know we

2029
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: would have.

2030
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 5: To get it right like this is like you sound

2031
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 5: like Felger, Like I don't want to be one of

2032
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 5: the those teams that's like drafting quarter Well, then get

2033
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 5: it right. Yeah, it's not easy. I get it. But

2034
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 5: like you, just because you pick a quarterback in the

2035
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 5: top ten doesn't mean it has to be.

2036
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: A bad pat who's going to get it right?

2037
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 5: Adam Bilhams? They have to hire someone frand I know,

2038
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 5: but like so I mean you can just give Adam Peters. No,

2039
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 5: I know that you've we've we've given him that name before,

2040
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 5: ap AP.

2041
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 6: Maybe let's see Adam.

2042
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 4: But assistant general manager for the San Francisco.

2043
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 5: My point is, if you've decided, and I think I have,

2044
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 5: I think you have, We're moving on. Okay, you have

2045
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 5: to hire someone like I'm not going to intentionally hire

2046
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 5: someone who I think is incompetent.

2047
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: But we've been over twenty years now without a GM. Yeah,

2048
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: well but they haven't been well, someone who's that's their

2049
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 1: only role, you know.

2050
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 5: Well, is that the way you want to do it.

2051
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 5: You don't have to set it up that way if

2052
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 5: you don't want to.

2053
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Well, I'm told that, you know, unless you have someone

2054
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: that's unique talented, you have to have a GM.

2055
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 5: But who told you that? People?

2056
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 6: Little Bird told me.

2057
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stay out of that one. I just one

2058
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 5: felt ominous. No, I'm going to take a step. But

2059
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, there's a couple things. I mean,

2060
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 5: I think I like the Craft's track history of coaches

2061
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 5: that they've hired. They've excellent coaches and you know the

2062
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 5: coaches that you know, Pete Carroll. Even it didn't work

2063
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 5: out here, it worked out elsewhere.

2064
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 11: I just I think the thing's hard is it's weird

2065
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 11: to go into this and feel like you need to

2066
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 11: completely blow everything up.

2067
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 5: It's just hard.

2068
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 6: I mean, like, and I'm not saying that I disagree that.

2069
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 5: You should think they do.

2070
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 11: But it's hard to think of all the success that

2071
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 11: you had here and now we're just a few, you know,

2072
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 11: five years away, and the prevailing thought is that you

2073
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 11: can't save anything from what's been going on here right now.

2074
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 11: You know, like a lot of people are calling up

2075
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 11: saying you got to get a whole new thing going

2076
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 11: on here, and and I guess that's probably true. I

2077
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 11: can't go through the other dynasties and how they approach things.

2078
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 11: I mean, I know San Francisco kind of kept it

2079
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 11: going with a similar system, but like I mean, to Dallas,

2080
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 11: when Jimmy Johnson got there, was that just you know,

2081
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 11: a complete kind of I mean, they went from him

2082
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 11: to what's his face? The Oklahoma guy, the Switzer. So

2083
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 11: it's just it's hard for me to wrap my head

2084
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 11: around how do you rebuild this team. But you can't

2085
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 11: have jirow Mayo, you can't have any of the Belichick kids,

2086
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 11: you can't have you know, Josh McDaniel's back. You need

2087
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 11: completely new stuff. That's just what's really overwhelming.

2088
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I think you're gonna get your wish. I think

2089
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 5: some of those guys are gonna stay.

2090
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 4: I think I'm an ownership perspective too, Like I cause

2091
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent. Like that's a

2092
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 4: really hard leap to make for the Crafts to just

2093
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 4: say we're just going to completely start with a completely

2094
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 4: different like approach in terms of systems and defense and

2095
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 4: offense and all the different nuances of it, and go

2096
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 4: completely away from what's worked here for the last twenty

2097
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 4: five years. And I could definitely talk myself into thinking

2098
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 4: that it's a younger, newer, modern voice and like somebody

2099
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 4: like Girod Mayo, And maybe that's all that needs to happen.

2100
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 4: Is not necessarily that we need to completely strip it

2101
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 4: down and start it all over again, But it just

2102
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 4: needs to be somebody that has a little bit of

2103
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 4: a different mindset of how to build a football team

2104
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 4: and how to approach things. But if you're gonna hire

2105
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 4: a GM from outside the tree, then you you have

2106
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 4: to build it in his vision.

2107
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this, but does anyone

2108
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: know how often when you promote a guy from within

2109
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: to be head coach long term it works?

2110
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 4: Hmmm, it doesn't happen very often.

2111
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to think on the top of my head.

2112
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean to to marry your guy, Mike Commlin. Was

2113
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: he hire from within? He came from Tampa, Okay.

2114
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 4: Tampa, but that was he had ties to someone in Pittsburgh.

2115
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 5: No, because I don't know. I mean, would you consider

2116
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 5: Dungee having ties to Pittsburgh because I think I think

2117
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 5: that's what I remember that Tampa too, But yeah.

2118
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: That's not the same, you know, strictly a guy you

2119
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: know today he was my coordinator of my assistant coach,

2120
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: and tomorrow he's my head coach in college.

2121
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 5: I would say that I don't think that's a very

2122
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 5: good practice in general. I'm not telling you that because

2123
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a relationship with an assistant coach

2124
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 5: that changes when you're the head coach right with the players.

2125
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, so you think bringing in a GM with Jirab Mayo,

2126
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 11: Jirob Mayo recognizes that this offense needs to be completely changed.

2127
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 11: But I think, I mean, I think the one thing

2128
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 11: that we probably mostly agree with is that the defense

2129
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 11: is pretty good. I mean, I like, you know what

2130
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 11: what they do. Actually, can I can I say one thing?

2131
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 11: Can I say one thing? I Actually this is a

2132
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 11: little off the beaten track. But I just it was

2133
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 11: really interesting to me. I've been reading John Wooden book,

2134
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 11: but John Wooden Pyramid, the Pyramids, the Pyramid, etcetera.

2135
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 5: Didn't really step by recruits without getting labeled to cheat.

2136
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 6: Oh did he do that?

2137
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 8: Oh?

2138
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: God?

2139
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 11: Really point though, being you know a lot of stuff

2140
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 11: in there that that you would probably look at as

2141
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 11: kind of BELICHICKI and just general coaching kind of stuff.

2142
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 11: But the thing that was mostly just that stuck out

2143
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 11: to me last night was that he's like, I never

2144
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 11: really scouted the opponent, you know. I just figured it

2145
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 11: was best for them to adjust what we to what

2146
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 11: we do. And I didn't want to spend too much

2147
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 11: time putting in new plays trying to adjust our offense

2148
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 11: every week and adjust what we do every week. I

2149
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 11: wanted to focus on what we do. Have the players

2150
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 11: you could do that and execute it at a high level.

2151
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 11: And that's what we spent our time. And I didn't,

2152
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 11: you know, one of the things he learned it from.

2153
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 11: It's just very interesting to me where it's like I'm

2154
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 11: going through and I'm saying, oh, that's very bellichicking, and

2155
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 11: you know, focus just on getting better, you know, just

2156
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 11: every day, focus on getting better. The results will come.

2157
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 11: Wouldn't never really talked about winning and losing. It was

2158
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 11: about getting better.

2159
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 5: We're going to run the power sleep and we're going

2160
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 5: to execute it.

2161
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 11: But I couldn't help it but tie it into I

2162
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 11: couldn't help but tie it into everything we were talking

2163
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 11: about last week, where it's like there's so much going on,

2164
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Speaker 11: and it's like, don't you just wish like instead of

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Speaker 11: being this game plan offense every week where you're just

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01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 11: throwing an entirely new playbook on this guy.

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Speaker 6: And I mean, to Evan's point about.

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Speaker 11: How complicated it already is just to run the offense,

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01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 11: not to mention the game plan for that week. All right,

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Speaker 11: here's all this new stuff that we're gonna do. And

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Speaker 11: you know, of course you could do with Brady, especially

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01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 11: as things went on, when you have twenty years to

2173
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 11: draw from and hey, we're gonna do this like we

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01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 11: did it against Atlanta three years ago, those kind of things.

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Speaker 11: But with this team, it's like, I just I wonder

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Speaker 11: if that's part of it, of just focus on what.

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Speaker 5: I want to be game player oriented. But I do

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01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 5: think this is probably.

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Speaker 4: A past because you know, right, because so they install

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01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 4: a playbook in the summer, right in the spring, and

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01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,879
Speaker 4: they build a library of plays, and then the install

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01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 4: for the game plan is taking those two hundred plays

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01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 4: that they had from the summer and picking twenty five

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01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 4: of them that they think is are going to work

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01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 4: against that specific team. So in theory, you're not you're

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Speaker 4: not supposed to be reinventing yourself every single week, right, Like,

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01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 4: these are all plays that have been installed and have

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01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 4: been practiced.

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01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 6: And what you're leaning into more just like this.

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Speaker 4: Week, we're playing a zone heavy defense, so we might

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01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 4: run these plays. Versus a man heavy defense, we might

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Speaker 4: run those plays, and like that's sort of the difference.

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Speaker 4: But I think maybe there's a there is some true

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01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 4: to the fact that their library is was so vast

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01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 4: with Brady because he's Brady, and now you know the library.

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Speaker 11: Might now it's just got screen passes that they're down

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01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 11: to screen passes.

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Speaker 4: There were only twelve of them, and everybody's acting like

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Speaker 4: they threw runs.

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01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 5: But I think your point about the coordinator, I'd be

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Speaker 5: curious if any of our listeners could could give us

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Speaker 5: some information on that, because I I really can't think.

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01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 11: It was what was George Seaffert.

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01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 5: Was he on this the Niners stats. He took over.

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01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 5: He probably and he was terrible.

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01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that could be. He won a Super Bowl, Yeah,

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01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I know, I.

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Speaker 6: Was there anything with Gruden? Ever with his stops?

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Speaker 11: Was he ever promoted as like?

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Speaker 6: I mean I remember him as an offensive cordator in Philly.

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01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 5: Well yeah, they're all like coordinators for the most but

2212
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 5: not the same.

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Speaker 1: One thing like when you're the coach, but now, like

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01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: Paul said, you become the head coach. Now you're making

2215
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: you remember Richie's decisions. You remember Richie Pettibone, I remember

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01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: the name. I don't even know how to respond.

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01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 5: I mean, nine times out of ten, I think he

2218
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 5: was a coordinator for Washington and got promoted.

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01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 4: But when they get the interim will get promoted when

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01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 4: they fire the coach and then usually they move on.

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01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: At the.

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Speaker 5: Interim has some success.

2223
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm talking long term.

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Speaker 4: I can't think of like a great recent example of

2225
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 4: them promoting from with it and sticking with it.

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01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 11: I mean, you have to have a reason to want

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01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 11: to do it, you know, and that the success is

2228
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 11: all there, the team is there. You just you don't

2229
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 11: want to upset the apple cart and you want to

2230
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 11: just try to keep it going with with what's been working.

2231
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 11: And I mean that's why I kind of relate it

2232
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 11: to Sean uh the McDermott. You know, it's not that

2233
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 11: that's been the success that.

2234
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 5: They experience like a college basketball thing like a coach

2235
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 5: and waiting like John Shire take.

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Speaker 11: Coach then like Joe Missoula is and that kind of

2237
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 11: what happened with him.

2238
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 6: It was just kind of the he.

2239
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Was in the system, but that's not necessary.

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Speaker 5: I dabbled in basketball, but that wasn't by design.

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Speaker 8: Do you think there's a world where you can still

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01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 8: promote him to defensive coordinator like j Motion, Yeah, because

2243
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 8: he still hasn't had that title and had the responsibility.

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01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think just to I mean, my

2245
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 11: thought is that you want Robert and Jonathan would want

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01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 11: someone that they know to be the head guy to

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01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 11: talk to, but that they would rely on Girod to

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01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 11: not only have a GM who can pick players and

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Speaker 11: help him, you know, but also have an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 11: that continue you know what I mean, Like it's almost

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01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 11: just like, yes, he's the head coach, but he's also

2252
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 11: just more kind of the guy in the middle pulling

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01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 11: it all together that hopefully recognizes where the team needs

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01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:28,719
Speaker 11: to go to get.

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Speaker 4: To I would definitely promise I would definitely be open

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Speaker 4: to Girod running the defense here, whether it's as the

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Speaker 4: head coach or the defensive coordinator, because I don't schematically.

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01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's the issue with the defense

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01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 4: now their secondary right now. And I know a lot

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01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 4: of people are like, oh, how's the defense not pointing

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01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 4: fingers at the offense after the defense has got their

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01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 4: own issues, Like they got to get their own house

2263
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 4: in order before. I know, they only gave up ten points,

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01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 4: but like, don't let the points, you know, blind you

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01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 4: from the fact that they could have given up like

2266
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,919
Speaker 4: eight big in that game against the Giants.

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Speaker 8: Do you think they're more lax about it? I guess

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01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 8: because of the injuries that they have. I mean, not

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01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 8: that that's like an excuse, but not having Christian, it's

2270
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 8: not having a healthy Jonathan Jones.

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Speaker 4: The last like month or so this season, they have

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Speaker 4: had more coverage breakdowns than I can remember them having

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01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 4: in like the last like three years. Like when you

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01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 4: really look at it, just guys running through the defense

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01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 4: wide open. And luckily they've played Gardner Minshew and Tommy

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01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 4: DeVito and they haven't really gotten burnout. Sam Howell did

2277
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 4: burn them on it, you know, so that that.

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01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 6: There's justin Jay Herbo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like if they do that against Herbert, it's going

2280
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 4: to be forty to nothing.

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Speaker 5: And again, like when you give up to ten points

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01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 5: and back to back games, no one's sitting here saying

2283
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 5: the defense they got to make changes like that you

2284
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 5: have ten points. Yeah, yeah, but I agree with Evan.

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Speaker 6: I think it's in the scheme.

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Speaker 1: But when the team that you play against, Tommy Devine, right.

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Speaker 5: It's literally it's literally the thirty second ranked offense and

2288
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 5: football it's even worse than yours, right, and you basically

2289
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 5: help them to their average, like you didn't like to

2290
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 5: have this great game on Sunday even though they only

2291
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 5: had two hundred and twenty yards. That's what they do.

2292
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 5: To me, it's the mental lapses.

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01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 4: Like I can live with the fact that jac Jackson's

2294
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 4: not the guy anymore than he was a couple of

2295
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 4: years ago, and Jalen High had beat him on a

2296
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 4: go ball for forty one yards, Like I can live

2297
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 4: with those types of plays because that's they just they

2298
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 4: don't have the horses. Well, it could be consistently great.

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Speaker 1: You know the fact that mccordy's not back there anymore,

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01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: that could be catching up.

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01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 4: That's where my head immediately has gone there. They have

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01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,879
Speaker 4: not they don't have a field general back there anymore.

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01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 4: That's making sure that they're not having these breakdowns.

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Speaker 6: Right, So you still have to extend Dugger then.

2305
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 4: Dugger I think is I still think that dougger Is

2306
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 4: is a good player. I still think he's playing out

2307
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 4: of position, and I think that's mainly the reason why

2308
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 4: you know he's been on the scene in some bad spots.

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01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: Matt Framingham writes in as much as I think that

2310
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan does come across as a tool bag, the

2311
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 1: mocking criticism is a tool. The mocking criticisms and failings

2312
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: of Belichick is well earned and deserved. If you're going

2313
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: to be so cavalier as to do football life on

2314
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: NFL Network as well write books and do documentaries on

2315
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 1: the alleged Patriot Way, then when seasons like this happened

2316
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 1: post Brady, you have to take your medicine. Rex Ryan

2317
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: is not at fault for the stupid game plan post

2318
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: bye week, nor for the bad drafting. If people can't

2319
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 1: handle reality from fiction, then that's on you. And nobody else.

2320
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 4: But my whole point with the Rex Ryan thing, not

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01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 4: to deliberate the whole Rex Ryan thing, is that there's

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01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 4: a difference, Like we come on the show here and

2323
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 4: we're critical of Bill Belichick and the mistakes that he

2324
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 4: has made and the moves and the team and the

2325
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Speaker 4: record and all this stuff. There's a difference between that

2326
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 4: and like turning it into a clown show where you're

2327
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 4: like taking personal shots at him and you're saying, you know,

2328
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 4: all these ridiculous things about him on TV. That that

2329
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 4: was my if you want to be critical of Bill,

2330
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 4: like we're all critical of Bill. I mean, they're two

2331
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 4: and nine. But I think there's a difference between that

2332
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 4: and what Rex Ryan does, which is performative. As Paul said, let's.

2333
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 6: Go get a damn snack. Remember that.

2334
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: That was classic.

2335
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 5: It was the last time I really watched hard.

2336
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 6: It was a good one. That's probably the best one.

2337
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2338
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 4: See, that's called a personal shot. I said, don't do that.

2339
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: Ed and Florida says, great show. Was wondering what you

2340
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: thought of Bill b throwing Billy Oh under the bus

2341
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: when Belichick was asked about the team not knowing who

2342
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback was Belichick's reply was, Bill O'Brien is

2343
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,560
Speaker 1: in charge of the offense. Do you think that Belichick

2344
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 1: has intentionally sabotaged the offense in response to being forced

2345
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 1: to hire Bill O'Brien.

2346
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 5: I don't remember him saying it like that. I don't

2347
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 5: remember that either.

2348
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 15: Then.

2349
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're just making things to do.

2350
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 5: I didn't say he's making it up. I said, I

2351
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 5: don't remember it here.

2352
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: You don't remember it, Paul, It didn't happen.

2353
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 5: Right, But I'm not at every press conference anymore like

2354
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 5: I used to know.

2355
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 4: I'm at every press conference, and I don't remember him

2356
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 4: saying that.

2357
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Speaker 1: Jody's in Atlanta. What's up, Jody?

2358
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 14: Hey, what's up?

2359
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 5: Guys?

2360
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: Hey?

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01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 14: I just had a question. So with this upcoming free

2362
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 14: agent class, I know it's not like a good tackle class,

2363
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 14: but we got a lot of holes to fill in

2364
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 14: the offense. Is there any position group besides like I

2365
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 14: know T Higgins in the receiver class, but other than that,

2366
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 14: is there any other players that we should be, like,

2367
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 14: you know, kind of going after or is it just

2368
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 14: kind of like a dud?

2369
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 5: I do think there are decent receivers and it doesn't

2370
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 5: I mean high end is t Higgins, but I think

2371
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 5: from the Colts, yeah, Brios.

2372
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 11: Right, Pittman, and he's probably the most productive of the fusion.

2373
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 5: I think there are some like guys that I don't

2374
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 5: think would cost you that sort of top of the

2375
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 5: market money. And he's right. The tack the offensive line,

2376
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 5: the tackle class is not not great. Again, they were

2377
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 5: a year late. There was some guys available last year, right,

2378
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 5: And it's hard to lindle Brown. No one wanted them.

2379
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's hard because you got you know, Juju and

2380
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 11: Parker there as you know, they're runner contract their back.

2381
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 11: It's just it's hard, Like I mean, I'd love to

2382
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 11: say cut one of them and bring somebody in. And

2383
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 11: I mean and also just say it's got to be better

2384
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 11: than Kendrick Bourne. You know, Kendrick Bourne is a free

2385
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 11: agent too, So if you're gonna sign one of those

2386
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 11: free agents, he just he has to be better than Kest.

2387
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2388
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 4: I do think it is a good free agent receiver class,

2389
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 4: you know, like Mike Evans is a free agent at.

2390
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 5: The end of the year too. It's a good amount

2391
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 5: of free agent.

2392
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 4: But what I worry about the receivers is the same

2393
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 4: thing always is that those teams are going to find

2394
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 4: ways to get compensation for those players, whether it's trading

2395
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 4: them on the franchise tag, paying them the franchise tag,

2396
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 4: or whatever like that. I feel like they're I can't

2397
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 4: imagine that a guy like t Higgins is just going

2398
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 4: to hit unrestricted free agency, Like I just can't fathom

2399
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 4: that the Bengals are gonna just do nothing to.

2400
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 5: Especially the way this season is going to unfold for them,

2401
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 5: They're gonna look at it and say, let's bite the bullet,

2402
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 5: let's spend the money, let's run this back, and let's

2403
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 5: see this through.

2404
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 4: I could definitely he's such a good candidate for the

2405
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 4: franchise tag because you're not giving him that that guaranteed

2406
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 4: bag of multi year contract that you might have to

2407
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 4: worry about stacking together with Burrow and Chase. But at least,

2408
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 4: like Paul is saying, running it back one more year.

2409
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 11: I mean, you get tempted, though, by a high round

2410
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 11: draft pick, to say maybe we just go to the draft,

2411
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 11: try to get it somebody even better than Tea.

2412
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 4: That's the thing is like a team like the Bengals

2413
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 4: that has has a little bit of margin for error

2414
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 4: to take that risk. I definitely think that that is

2415
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 4: a consideration of if we can get, you know, a

2416
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 4: first round pick and then we turn it into like

2417
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 4: Romeo Dunes instead of you know, T Higgins, Like it's

2418
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 4: kind of the same guy, and we'll just rookie contract.

2419
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, fifty option.

2420
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Does anyone know who Joel Washington rome Dunes Dunes?

2421
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 5: I believe Washington guy. I can never pronounce his nay. So, yeah,

2422
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 5: he's an analyst on Fox College Football.

2423
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 1: So Andrew and La says that Joel Klatt said Mac

2424
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Jones is your new Joe Burrow on a website on ten,

2425
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, So October twentieth, twenty twenty.

2426
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 5: He says that was in his college Yeah, Joe Burrow. Well,

2427
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 5: I mean that's even worse. But that's a good point.

2428
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 5: That makes it even worse. At least if you saw

2429
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 5: him win the seven game winning streak, you said, oh,

2430
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 5: look at this guy, he's gonna be like Joe Burrow.

2431
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 4: But that's a good point though, because I immediately went

2432
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 4: to Trevor Lawrence just because that's max draft class. But

2433
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is another one of those guys that had

2434
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 4: maybe the most talented offense in the history of college

2435
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 4: football and is still a dude in the NFL. So

2436
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,639
Speaker 4: like I don't I don't think you can automatically say

2437
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 4: that what I thought separated.

2438
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 5: And again this isn't about like measurables. I'll bet that

2439
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow doesn't run better than like a four eight forty.

2440
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 5: Like I don't think he could blow away Mac Jones

2441
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 5: in a forty, But I watched him at LSU. He

2442
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 5: ran all over the place, and he made plays with

2443
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 5: his legs, he did.

2444
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 4: All kinds of he's really good at buying time.

2445
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 5: He did all kinds of things that I never saw

2446
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 5: Mac Jones. Oh yeah.

2447
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 4: But that's my point is like and he did. He

2448
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 4: had he had great talent, Like you have to see it,

2449
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:52,920
Speaker 4: you know. And that's why you can't just say every

2450
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 4: quarterback that has great talent around him is not worth draft.

2451
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 5: Let's there's an argument to be made that his LSU

2452
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 5: team is the greatest, but let's put the other way.

2453
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 1: I think when Joe Burrow was being scouted and and

2454
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: you know were there, you know, yeah, he can do this,

2455
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: but here's his downside, and you know, yeah.

2456
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 4: The hands, there was some pushback the talent around him

2457
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 4: for sure, but but not.

2458
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: The talent around. I'm talking about his talent. People wonder

2459
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 1: Mackett was clear he you know, he's not going to

2460
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: run around. He doesn't have the strongest arm, he's not

2461
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 1: that tall, he's like six to one, So he had

2462
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: a lot of physical things that were working against did

2463
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow? No he didn't really. I mean that's that's

2464
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,759
Speaker 1: my point. Yeah, I know he he has the intent,

2465
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,639
Speaker 1: he has the physical traits. He's tall, big arm.

2466
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 8: You know.

2467
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 11: Was it just the same uh, not a lot of

2468
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 11: productive just one year starter, right, like it wasing Joe Burrow,

2469
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 11: only one or two years it.

2470
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 5: Started with I believe.

2471
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 8: I wonder they're probably still kicking themselves for not playing

2472
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 8: him like it's.

2473
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Just but it's the same thing with Trevor Lawrence. I mean,

2474
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: look at him, look at him. You know he's a

2475
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I mean people, you know, people killed me

2476
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: and Matt's you know first year here I was saying

2477
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: back then, yeah, I take Trevor Lawrence in a heartbeat. But

2478
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: just to be clear, nobody, no listeners, like they couldn't

2479
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: believe I was, you know, committing this glass.

2480
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 5: Post because they all thought that Max was going to

2481
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 5: be Joe Burrow.

2482
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 1: No, but like how could you say that?

2483
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 8: And like I look at him, I think because they

2484
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 8: saw Trevor Lawrence, and I mean he was in a

2485
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 8: bad situation too with Urban Meyer, you know, being sacked

2486
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 8: all the time.

2487
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 9: His turnovers like the Jacks did not look good.

2488
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: No, but you know, you just know that if he

2489
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: gets over that, if the team gets it right, he'll

2490
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: be fine.

2491
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 4: But I also just think that that goes to the

2492
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 4: point still though of like even Trevor Lawrence looked terrible.

2493
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 4: So Peyton Manner, by the way, you know, I just watched,

2494
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 4: you know, the Ravens game with against the Chargers, and

2495
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert's like running for his life in that game.

2496
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 4: He's under pressure forty one percent of the time they

2497
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 4: only score ten points. Like he's a cyborg. Like he

2498
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,679
Speaker 4: can make throws at every no one else can make.

2499
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 1: He's another guy. It's like, look at him, he's a

2500
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He just to be coached better.

2501
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, like Anthony Richards great.

2502
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know it's just that's all. You gotta

2503
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 4: can't lose sight of that. Like you have Justin Herbert,

2504
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,639
Speaker 4: who's a top five quarterback in the league, just based

2505
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 4: off the talent. He gets pressured on forty one percent

2506
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 4: of the dropbacks. They only score ten points in the game.

2507
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 4: There are coaches on the hot seat. They're four and seven,

2508
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 4: like they have the quarterback and they and they still

2509
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 4: they're still not good, Like they can't figure it out.

2510
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 4: They're probably gonna come in here and be the Patriots

2511
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 4: forty five to nothing. But that's not the point, right, Like,

2512
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 4: they're still not a good team.

2513
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 5: You don't still think in all, I'm being dead serious.

2514
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 5: This isn't a snarky Paul. You don't think there's something

2515
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 5: like the Chargers could come here and still lose, because

2516
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 5: I do.

2517
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that because the Charger. It's either one

2518
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 4: of given it's one of two things. Either there the

2519
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 4: Chargers are gonna play down to the Patriots like the

2520
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 4: Chargers do, or it's gonna be forty five.

2521
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 3: Ye.

2522
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: But in the past, I'd be more confident about that.

2523
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: But the play at quarterback is so bad right now

2524
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: for this team, I don't think they can pull off

2525
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: those kind of wins anymore. You know, where the other

2526
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 1: team comes in and and they make all the mistakes and.

2527
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 5: You take away give them a little magic.

2528
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get one.

2529
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 11: Of those Adrian Phillips pick six that he had last

2530
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 11: time against the Chargers. I mean, I think it's gonna

2531
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 11: take defensive scores probably, I mean then then maybe, but

2532
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 11: they just haven't been able to produce those wins that

2533
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 11: we made fun of him for the last two years. Anyway,

2534
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 11: Like they played the backup quarterbacks, they get a couple takeaways.

2535
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 5: Even lost that.

2536
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 11: You know how we can't even do that that That

2537
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 11: was the end for me.

2538
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 5: It's like two and a half, right because it was

2539
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 5: Minshew and and Devido back to back, and then like

2540
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 5: Hoyer played the whole second half.

2541
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 4: And Sam Howel is like he's not a backup.

2542
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 5: He's their starter. I got to call him the start,

2543
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 5: but he's kind of like a starter adjacent like they were.

2544
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 4: They were beating the Sam Howells of the world though, right.

2545
01:51:58,240 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 6: Oh that was that was their jam, that was what

2546
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 6: they they still had left.

2547
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill in DC I laughed at Bill criticizing Ryland

2548
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 1: for missing the field goal. Maybe he should be criticizing

2549
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: the GM who not only drafted him in the fourth

2550
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 1: round and also ship Nick Folk out of town. Anybody

2551
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 1: think Nick Folk would have missed that kick?

2552
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 4: No, because he has the NFL record for the most

2553
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 4: kicks made inside.

2554
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 5: Of forty oh. I don't think he would have made

2555
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,600
Speaker 5: the kick. I wouldn't. To me, the GM mistake was

2556
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 5: drafting him in the fourth round, like especially trading up

2557
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 5: to draft him in the fourth round. I don't understand why.

2558
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 5: I think they insist on draft round. I don't know

2559
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 5: why they insist on drafting their kickers. The vast majority

2560
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 5: of guys in that league are undrafted. Why not just

2561
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:38,440
Speaker 5: take one? Yeah, the Dallas guy who's.

2562
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 4: Like perfect, right, Yeah, I think that this is something

2563
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 4: that you know, some of the draft stuff that.

2564
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 5: The kicker.

2565
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 4: So they the Niners took Jake Moody in the end

2566
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,799
Speaker 4: of the third round, who is the kicker at Michigan

2567
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 4: and was the Patriots kicker at the Shrine bullet And

2568
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 4: I think that they were all over Jake Moody. I

2569
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 4: think I think that they love Jake Moody, and the

2570
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 4: forty nine ers knew it, and the forty nine ers

2571
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 4: swooped in at the end of the third round and

2572
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 4: took the guy. And I think they panicked and they

2573
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 4: picked Chad Ryland in the fourth round because they figured

2574
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 4: to a run of kickers was going to come and they

2575
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 4: picked their second guy on the board because they got

2576
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 4: their first guy stolen.

2577
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,879
Speaker 1: On the question about assistants being elevated to head coaches,

2578
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells New York Giants, who incidentally had a terrible

2579
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: first season.

2580
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 5: So he was a he was on the Giants, he

2581
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 5: was at DC. Okay, so this that's a good one.

2582
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: That's one.

2583
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 5: That's a good one.

2584
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,679
Speaker 1: By the way, didn't Bill bench Welker for poking fun

2585
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 1: of Rex?

2586
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 5: And yeah he did? He did.

2587
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Bill has respect exactly.

2588
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 1: That's the point. I agree, Yeah, the fraternity. You don't

2589
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: make fun of the other coaches, I agree, you know, unless.

2590
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 5: That's why I called Rex, even though I think Rex

2591
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 5: Ryan is entertaining to.

2592
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Speaker 6: That was the playoff game too, right, Yes they lost.

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01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to Willhem and Philam. What's got William?

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01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 14: Hey, how are you doing all right?

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01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 17: All right?

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01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 22: Questions for for Evans? So have two questions?

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01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 5: Everybody else be.

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01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 21: Quiet you so uh for for free agency?

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01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 22: Right for and it's about wide receiver basement?

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01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,639
Speaker 14: Who would you what receiver would you want?

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01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 13: That would be specific?

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01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 1: For uh?

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01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 14: For the Patriots deal.

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01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 22: I know everybody talking about t Higgins. I'm trying to

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01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 22: understand as far as him being six for I know

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01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 22: he can catch and all that, but what makes you

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01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 22: think he can be a number one. He seemed like

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01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 22: the type of receiver that's going to need somebody like

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01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 22: a true number one, like a like a Jamar Chase

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01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 22: or something like that.

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01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 13: I don't know.

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01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 22: And number two just who else as far as in

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01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 22: the draft, right and in terms of wide receiver, who

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01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 22: would who would fit the Patriots scheme though?

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01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 13: And I'll leave it at that.

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01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 22: Take care of y'all, all.

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01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: Right, thanks, Well, it's.

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01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 5: The Patriots scheme?

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01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 4: What is it? Hopefully you don't have to worry about it, right, So,

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01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I take to Higgins any day of the week.

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01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,320
Speaker 4: I I think with the thing with receivers that is

2622
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 4: trying to make the point with you know, the franchise

2623
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 4: tack and things like that, most of the good receivers,

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01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 4: the good receivers, we're not talking about, you know, the

2625
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 4: the next tier. We're talking about the elite, top end guys.

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01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:17,160
Speaker 4: Those guys get traded. Those guys never hit unrestricted free agency.

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01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 4: And I think the Patriots need to take that approach

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01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 4: next off season that they can't just pick from the

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01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 4: free agency pool. And I think that's the mistake that

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01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 4: they made in twenty twenty one when they had all

2631
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 4: that cap space, was they just picked from the guys

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01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 4: that were available in free agency instead of going out

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01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 4: and being more aggressive by trading for somebody that was

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01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 4: better than Nelson Agilore and Kendrick Bourne. So I look

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01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 4: at it and say, whether it's t Higgins, whether someone's

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01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 4: gonna get the scruntled and want out. It happens every

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01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 4: off season that one of these deva receivers wants out.

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01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 4: They're not trading him here, but you know, whoever it is, like,

2639
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 4: it happens every off season, So whoever it is this

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01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 4: time around, you gotta make it happen like that's gotta

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01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 4: be you. That's got to be you this time around.

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01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 4: And to his second question in the draft, if it's

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01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 4: this type of Patriots offense, you know, obviously Marvin Harrison Junior,

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01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 4: it fits every single scheme. I really do like Roma

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01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 4: Dunes too, from from Washington, but.

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01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 5: I don't remember that one Rama Dunes.

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01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 4: I think it's Xavier Worthy. It's worthy from Texas. Is

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01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 4: like this draft, say Flowers, but from Texas instead of

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01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 4: Boston College in Alabama.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, I just I want to be on the record

2651
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 5: is I want to get away from those maconk I

2652
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 5: want to get an outside guy who's a playmaker by

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01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 5: the way, T Higgins. Okay, if i'm I had the

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01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 5: years right, twenty twenty, that was Burrow's number one overall. Yeah, right,

2655
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 5: so they went Burrow Higgins first two picks. Right, not bad.

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01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 5: So Higgins had sixty seven catches from nine hundred and

2657
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 5: eight yards and six touchdowns as a rook and Borrow

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01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 5: missed the last part. I want to say, like the

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01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 5: last six or seven games, maybe five or six games

2660
01:56:55,960 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 5: with a twenty a cl So that's without Jamar Chase. Right,

2661
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 5: that was a hit and that's you know, and he

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01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 5: was already really good.

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01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 6: Without Shamar Chase pulling coverge during the right round.

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01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 5: So yeah, I would feel pretty good about a six

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01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 5: or four guy on the outside who can make plays

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01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 5: and has a career average of fourteen yards a cauch. Yeah.

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01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 5: I have no problem Ryan as being my number one guy.

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01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan in North Carolina says it's time for

2669
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 1: an apology. I need to come clean and tell everybody

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01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: that it was me who sold Belichick the magic eight

2671
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: ball that he's been using to make GM and coaching decisions.

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01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,640
Speaker 1: When I sold him the eight ball four years ago,

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01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: I never thought he would take it so seriously, and

2674
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: for that, I'm sorry. I hope Bill will realize that

2675
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 1: I was lying when I said the eight ball could

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01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 1: make up for Brady leaving. I was just trying to

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01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 1: make a quick.

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01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 11: Buck Outlook cloudy outlook cloudy.

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01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: All right, it's like a different kind of that's going

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01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: to be it for the Tuesday show. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow on Wednesday with another edition of Patriots Unfiltered Playbook

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01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,440
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