Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number to thirty one of
Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien today. I am in
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater offices, Bozeman, Montana. I'm joining with our
Speaker 1: friend Ryan Callahan for another appearance on the podcast. Before
Speaker 1: we get started, I would note that, UM, you are
Speaker 1: now going to find all the Hunting Collective content, all
Speaker 1: the podcasts, all the articles, all the things that we
Speaker 1: do here on the meat eater dot com. Uh. That's
Speaker 1: where we'll live for the longer term as we fold
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective into the network that we've announced last
Speaker 1: week in the company that we're calling Meat Eater Incorporated.
Speaker 1: And that's why, UM, one of the better guests we
Speaker 1: could have on to talk through some of that, talk
Speaker 1: through some other awesome topics in that of first lights
Speaker 1: pr in Communication Director believe that's his title, Ryan Callahan.
Speaker 1: So enjoy episode number one. Brian Callahan. I'm doing really well.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing really well too. We're
Speaker 1: here in the Bozeman, Montana. Yeah, beautiful Bosi Angelis Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I as a newbie to the state in the town,
Speaker 1: I have to figure out the lingo, the proper you
Speaker 1: know the proper lingo. I told you I was hanging
Speaker 1: out with my grandpa last night, um, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about Bozeman and h He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I went over there and spent a few days hanging
Speaker 1: out with my dad worked for Gallatin County for a
Speaker 1: short time. And uh and he's like yeah. He's like,
Speaker 1: I saw five like really nice little sports car convertibles
Speaker 1: with these women in them that or like blonde. And
Speaker 1: he could tell that they had like some upgrades. And
Speaker 1: he didn't say upgrades, but you can fill in the
Speaker 1: lank there and and and his takeaway was, you know,
Speaker 1: they were they looked really comfortable being there, as in,
Speaker 1: these aren't Montana people, and they're comfortable there, So that
Speaker 1: means that they're living there. And that's like they seem
Speaker 1: to be taken up steak. They doesn't even stake some
Speaker 1: land out for themselves. And he was like, so they're yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, don't don't live in bows. But he's like
Speaker 1: places gone to hill. Well, Listen, hipsters have a manifest
Speaker 1: destiny that is not that goes unchallenged when they want
Speaker 1: to live in your place. They're coming, dude, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about new age squatters. Yeah, pioneering.
Speaker 1: It's really the pioneering of the kimbucha bar because I
Speaker 1: found here. So yes, I mean we are in the
Speaker 1: guts really, I mean I would I would describe it
Speaker 1: as the guts of the New Meat Eater Incorporated office. Uh,
Speaker 1: and yes, Steve Ronell is just well, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they're pilfering items. Uh, this is the brand new gut.
Speaker 1: Help Yanni's making sticking his tongue out. It's real, it's
Speaker 1: very it's pretty pretty funny. It's pretty entertaining here. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the guts. I mean we literally just walked
Speaker 1: into it and like pick some tables up and put
Speaker 1: them down, and uh, it's brand brand new. So what
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Like this sub potential, this this
Speaker 1: office space? Yeah, you know, and I mean it's a
Speaker 1: little built out for my taste. You know, I like
Speaker 1: to tear things down to the studs and go from there.
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm asking, because I know you are
Speaker 1: an expert in Yeah. No, it's it's cool. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got like like the metal on um metal and concrete.
Speaker 1: That's suff works for me pretty well. Yeah, heart break
Speaker 1: it is but you know, hopefully by now if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this, that you've heard about meeting and incorporated
Speaker 1: as a thing. Um, you know about meat eatther TV
Speaker 1: and Steve Ronella and of course that's why Cal's around,
Speaker 1: because he's a meat either guy. In fact, we were
Speaker 1: saying that at lunch of days, like I've heard Steve
Speaker 1: Ronella described as the first leg guy and I've heard
Speaker 1: you described it as a meat eater guy, and of
Speaker 1: course vice versa. I love your show and I always
Speaker 1: I'm always like, well, hey, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that work on that show that do a really good
Speaker 1: job and it's hard, and I'm not one of them.
Speaker 1: So I just show up try to look good. Yeah. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So I need to ask you what everybody asked me, Um,
Speaker 1: what is meat Eater inc? Yeah? Yeah, I mean two
Speaker 1: podcasts ago I talked about like why we're doing it,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel like, uh, what it is is
Speaker 1: answered so much in the why we're doing it? Right, because, um,
Speaker 1: you and I share why, like we both you know,
Speaker 1: we're both on the board for b h A. We
Speaker 1: both just kind of feel the same way about certain things,
Speaker 1: not all things, but certain things that are relatively important
Speaker 1: to our lives, and so the why it was kind
Speaker 1: of been discussed and but the what is very much
Speaker 1: to be determined. I would say, like we all have
Speaker 1: way talking about earlier. I mean, we have these titles,
Speaker 1: and they have a building, we have all this space,
Speaker 1: but like it doesn't really mean anything because we've done
Speaker 1: relatively nothing, um to this point. But we're gonna be
Speaker 1: a media company, uh, And we're gonna be a media
Speaker 1: company that does a lot of things including Meat Eater
Speaker 1: TV and the Mediator brand and and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: including the Hunting Collective and the Hunting Collective brand and
Speaker 1: all the stuff that comes with it currently and hopefully
Speaker 1: as it grows, um. But we're also gonna just be
Speaker 1: something a little bit different. Like I feel personally having
Speaker 1: been in the media world for a while, and you're
Speaker 1: you certainly have pr in your title for First Light
Speaker 1: that there are some holes in the boat when it
Speaker 1: comes to how we produce media for hunting, fishing, conservation,
Speaker 1: all of it. UM. Not to say there's not a
Speaker 1: bunch of good stuff happening, but I feel like there
Speaker 1: are some expressed holes in our the tactic that we
Speaker 1: take to talk both to the outside world, but also
Speaker 1: to ourselves, like how UM media is produced for hunters
Speaker 1: and in hunting specifically. So we're gonna be a media
Speaker 1: company that tries to um always start with our ethos
Speaker 1: and our why, but then looks to be innovative and
Speaker 1: do stuff different and create content in ways that's engaging
Speaker 1: that may be not there right now. UM around a
Speaker 1: lot of things, but particularly culinary world where Steve comes from, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's connected to and conservation world, which
Speaker 1: you have a lot to do with it, as as
Speaker 1: I do UM in my history of my presence. So um,
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to nail down. This doesn't have
Speaker 1: like a one sentence description, but um at it's at
Speaker 1: its core, it's just a bunch of people that believe
Speaker 1: the same thing. Man decided this was the best thing
Speaker 1: to do with their lives, and you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: be producing media. He has a media company, so that
Speaker 1: uh is uh TV show or shows? Yeah, hopefully shows.
Speaker 1: I would hope. I mean, you know, if if if
Speaker 1: we could have a media company in the very short term,
Speaker 1: if our our entire company could be as successful as
Speaker 1: the meat Eater company or you know, the media brand
Speaker 1: has been at this point, we'd be we'd be happy.
Speaker 1: In the very longer term, we would like to have
Speaker 1: ten different brands that look like meat Eater, that Metator,
Speaker 1: has books that Steve does, it has TV shows, it
Speaker 1: has podcasts as live events. We would like to have
Speaker 1: a myriad of those things across a bunch of different
Speaker 1: platforms and in a bunch of different ways, you know,
Speaker 1: different voices, different subject matter, you know, fly fishing, um
Speaker 1: or even looking at foraging. We're looking at of course,
Speaker 1: we're looking at you know, pike and walleye and mountain
Speaker 1: hunting and waterfowl hunting and you know, small game whatever
Speaker 1: we can get to. UM. And so yeah, man, we'd
Speaker 1: like to create different types those different types of experiences
Speaker 1: across a bunch of subject matters with a bunch of
Speaker 1: different voices that a lot of folks that have been
Speaker 1: heard from some that haven't. We'll have some folks that
Speaker 1: will sign on and we'll hope to help them discover
Speaker 1: their voice and get people excited about who they are
Speaker 1: that maybe nobody knows about right now. UM. So that's
Speaker 1: also cool, man, you know well as well as I do.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty um unique position to be in to
Speaker 1: be able to like take someone that you think has
Speaker 1: the power to you know, give people respective and change
Speaker 1: their minds and give them platform, and it's like go
Speaker 1: for it, kick at go do it. So, by the way,
Speaker 1: everybody should be paying attention to this. To this person, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's exciting. But for me, as somebody who cares
Speaker 1: about the hunting industry, this is just a new thing
Speaker 1: that has um has the power to change some things.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. Cool. And and in your perspective, like
Speaker 1: what was like the number one change that item that
Speaker 1: that's on your hit list? Yeah, well I think um,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot, there's a lot, But I think
Speaker 1: the first one is creating content for the audience only
Speaker 1: you know we I've said this a million times internally here,
Speaker 1: but if anyone comes in and starts creating content around
Speaker 1: motivations that are um external to the audience, the folks
Speaker 1: that we're talking to and and that are investing in
Speaker 1: our content, then you're out, Like I will kick you out,
Speaker 1: I will walk you out the door. Um. Everybody can
Speaker 1: think of amples, and not only the hunting, hunting, fishing space,
Speaker 1: but in just general media where you know, not everybody
Speaker 1: expressly cares about the audience. In fact, most don't UM.
Speaker 1: Most care about the audience tuning in so they get
Speaker 1: their numbers, so they make their money. But there's an
Speaker 1: express you know, expressive I care about you being a
Speaker 1: smarter person, being more intelligent. That makes us all better. Hence,
Speaker 1: you know, rising side lifts all boats and so as
Speaker 1: somebody who has a journalism degree and wants to change
Speaker 1: the thing, that's the main thing I want to change
Speaker 1: UM is that will listen to our audience and and
Speaker 1: and be here for them rather than for advertisers or
Speaker 1: for some UM power that be somewhere else. So I
Speaker 1: certainly have heard some some talk about that we might
Speaker 1: be UM might have a certain motivation, like this company
Speaker 1: might have been formed for a certain reason. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you it's the reason we've expressly stated is the
Speaker 1: reason why we're doing it's because we care about uh.
Speaker 1: We we think the outdoors are sacred place. You care
Speaker 1: about the natural world. We think it makes us all
Speaker 1: better and we want to have better interactions with it.
Speaker 1: And like that's we said that. Steve said it, I've
Speaker 1: said it, We've all said it. We sat in the
Speaker 1: room just like this one and came up with it
Speaker 1: like a month ago, and that was a cool like,
Speaker 1: that was a cool experience. Yeah, to sit in the
Speaker 1: room with with people I respect and trade a bunch
Speaker 1: of ideas and try to come to us why that
Speaker 1: that's Uh, it was important to us. And I think
Speaker 1: after we made the announcement, it's the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my that we had like positive reaction
Speaker 1: to it. The internet was broken that day. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: assholes forgot to show up. They'll get to it eventually.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's be honest. But yeah, trade offs. Right. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you're no longer yet, you're no longer in Texas, um,
Speaker 1: and you have been posting up all fore it's hunting pictures.
Speaker 1: So what have you been doing? Yeah? I like how
Speaker 1: we reverse interview. I like, yes, I love it. Um.
Speaker 1: What I've been doing is building my plan, building this thing,
Speaker 1: you know. Um No, I mean when it when you
Speaker 1: know folks that follow people in the hunting interest that
Speaker 1: hunt a lot, it starts to become this. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: kind of the thing you do. Right, you stay home
Speaker 1: for three weeks and you start to think, WHOA al Right,
Speaker 1: if I not accomplished anything, I'm not off somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Um So I pretty early on and like no Wing,
Speaker 1: I was gonna leave where I was and come to Montana,
Speaker 1: and knowing that we were gonna be building a company
Speaker 1: that I felt was pretty substantial. And I feel that,
Speaker 1: you know, other than Steve and and some other folks,
Speaker 1: I feel a grand amount of ownership and and responsibility
Speaker 1: and how it goes, and that it goes well, it
Speaker 1: goes right. So I sat down with my wife and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I think it's probably better that
Speaker 1: as we move and we're building a house here in Montana,
Speaker 1: we're doing all these things, we're building a company that
Speaker 1: you know, those things come first. I'm always a hunter
Speaker 1: and always a traveling some bitch. But but in the
Speaker 1: you know, over this a couple of months this fall,
Speaker 1: it's it's been focused on those things, which as important
Speaker 1: as anything for our future. And but I have a
Speaker 1: clear intention to hunt the West over the next thirty
Speaker 1: years like a madman. So I'm just giving it a break,
Speaker 1: giving a little breather. It's uh like a warming shop.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just like I don't want I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even gonna diep my toe in
Speaker 1: I'll look at it for a while and just determine
Speaker 1: which deep end of the bull I'm diving into. So
Speaker 1: I know that too. And moving out west has always
Speaker 1: been something I thought about, never thought it would happen.
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a is this real?
Speaker 1: Can I hunt elk over? There? Really just a trick?
Speaker 1: So I know you have a differspect of living in Montana,
Speaker 1: are growing up in Montana living in Idaho. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's very much like this looking around, like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta take some time to bringthe this in um before
Speaker 1: I just before it's like mine kind of in some
Speaker 1: weird way. Oh man. Yeah, the diversity of the state
Speaker 1: is is just so wild, so wild. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: got all like I got all the meat i'd ever need,
Speaker 1: Like I got meat. I felt, you know, I shot
Speaker 1: an access to here when you shot access to here together,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I brought that home, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I love access to here. And I started
Speaker 1: like hammering that ship to the top of my freezer,
Speaker 1: like there's no room for it. And we moved here.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, they're okay, I should take some
Speaker 1: time to eat something that's clear it out. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: rotate the freezer. You're killing at a breakneck pace, and
Speaker 1: that's I felt a little bit in like that experience
Speaker 1: for me is a little bit like that's a little
Speaker 1: bit inappropriate if you have all the meat you need
Speaker 1: like it should. I I I did not shoot a
Speaker 1: elk with my bow this year, which is the first
Speaker 1: time in a long time. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: passed up a bowl the second day of the season,
Speaker 1: and I I was like, oh man, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I did that, but then passed up another one, passed
Speaker 1: up another one, and um, and that was like a
Speaker 1: huge part of like the calming voice in my head
Speaker 1: was like I was thinking about the freezer at home,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm really going to rotate that thing
Speaker 1: this year, Like I'm I'm gonna eat everything in there
Speaker 1: and start fresh, um, and I only need an X amount.
Speaker 1: And there there's folks that I always give me to
Speaker 1: that that truly wanted um and so that they'll have
Speaker 1: to experiment with some different cuts this year. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do a lot of top round cooking this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, um, yeah, it's kind of kind of
Speaker 1: saying I've been out a lot and having fun as
Speaker 1: you know. But it's there were highway levels of anxiety. Hi.
Speaker 1: Hi anxiety if you're really gonna not do that, I
Speaker 1: high lovels anxiety, like looking at the instagrams and seeing
Speaker 1: all the people hunting, because when it becomes like you're
Speaker 1: like we've talked like you're I have this unwillingness to
Speaker 1: do anything that wouldn't forward my hunting life. Like I
Speaker 1: have this like if somebody said, you know what here man,
Speaker 1: two million bucks. We're gonna pay you there two million
Speaker 1: bucks a year, and you're gonna come work for the
Speaker 1: New York Times and you're gonna be like the you know,
Speaker 1: editor in chief the New York Time. I'll be like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. But no, it's like no,
Speaker 1: because so that it gives me silence, Like it gives
Speaker 1: me silace in in an intangible sense that I know
Speaker 1: I'm moving to Montana where my hunting opportunities are going
Speaker 1: to explode, you know, as as just like being able
Speaker 1: to take my young son and take him around locally
Speaker 1: and hunting fish and do those things like That's so
Speaker 1: I have that my mind. But the last couple of
Speaker 1: months watching other people go run around and and it
Speaker 1: gives you some perspective and like when you're in it,
Speaker 1: because last year, the year before that, and probably the
Speaker 1: last eight years, I didn't go two weeks at home
Speaker 1: during September, October, November, December, and so this time I
Speaker 1: just I just went two and a half months without
Speaker 1: doing much. And so it gives you a little bit
Speaker 1: of perspective of maybe what it seems like when you're
Speaker 1: not you know, when you're just armchairing it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could pull it up, but I think
Speaker 1: you know, your average hunter is in the field, not
Speaker 1: even a full we kill. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, we
Speaker 1: always talk about fourteen million or ten million with the
Speaker 1: number that the number is that's an imperfect number anyway,
Speaker 1: But there there's this projection. We project this like a
Speaker 1: hunter is someone who just fucking hunts all the time.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a lot of something always dies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something always dies. And that's why I've always appreciated you
Speaker 1: and appreciated Steve and like the connected to that, because
Speaker 1: there's this there's other appreciations that, there's other priorities that
Speaker 1: go along with the hunting um. But you just enjoy
Speaker 1: spending time outside. You don't enjoy, like overly enjoyed or
Speaker 1: fetishize the killing of a giant thing like that'll come,
Speaker 1: but it's not and it's part of the presentation, but
Speaker 1: it's not a Yeah, it's not overly expounded upon, like
Speaker 1: I killed a big thing. Who it's like A killed
Speaker 1: a big thing that happened to be the end of
Speaker 1: the great ten days in the wilderness. Yeah, then I
Speaker 1: ate then I ate it, and then they've just happened
Speaker 1: to be big, you know. Yeah, that's what it was. Man.
Speaker 1: I um found a couple of big bowls this year
Speaker 1: and chased him. It was it was super fun. And
Speaker 1: like I said that, typically like I hunt a broadside elk,
Speaker 1: and that is it. It may have antlers that may
Speaker 1: not um, and that's a good that's like a T shirt.
Speaker 1: I hunt broadside. That's it, period. Man, give me a
Speaker 1: broadside elk and um, because then I've always felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that meat is in the freezer. There's a huge return
Speaker 1: rent elks a big animal, um. And once that's in
Speaker 1: the freezer, then it doesn't matter if I miss or
Speaker 1: break a leg, like it's in there. And and but
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm basically free to hunt after that kind
Speaker 1: of sounds weird, but I'm like elk is on the
Speaker 1: grocery list. It gets put in the freezer, and then
Speaker 1: when that is done, then I'm actually hunting and and
Speaker 1: purely going out with the main purpose of just hunting.
Speaker 1: And what I know, We've talked about it before, but
Speaker 1: you know the trigger poll part ends you're hunting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's when hunting stops. And so typically like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't touch that trigger again. Uh, you know, for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year sometimes right, so um, but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of nights in the woods, just
Speaker 1: like a lot of it was Idaho was hot and
Speaker 1: clear the whole time and didn't bring a tent until
Speaker 1: I remember I was texting you and You're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hunt. I run out of food and
Speaker 1: I'll be back yes, yeah, yeah man. And it's so
Speaker 1: like I just I feel so relaxed and so comfortable
Speaker 1: when I hunt that way, because like I know, I
Speaker 1: have everything I need and it's like I just get
Speaker 1: to go and I get to make there's no decision
Speaker 1: of like, well I gotta find there's not even the
Speaker 1: decision of being like, well, I got to find a
Speaker 1: big enough spot for my tent. It's like, here's an
Speaker 1: elk bed, blow up my airm mattress and pass out
Speaker 1: for the night. Yeah, man, And it's and it's just
Speaker 1: like so simple that it is addictive. So I here's
Speaker 1: a question something I always think about and I've said
Speaker 1: maybe said in the past, like do you change the
Speaker 1: way you think about hunting every year? Oh? You know,
Speaker 1: I think I do. Yeah, if I was, if I
Speaker 1: was honest, I do. I do for sure, even this year,
Speaker 1: not having not hunted as much well ship over the
Speaker 1: last two months. I had a plenty in the first
Speaker 1: half of the year, but like having to take us
Speaker 1: some time off anyway, Um, you feel like is there
Speaker 1: moments of reflection or is it just like every year
Speaker 1: you see all a different chapter in the book. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, present this chapter differently or you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think it. Uh, well, like yeah,
Speaker 1: this year, Um, instead of being like, boy, I gotta
Speaker 1: get you know, the last of this animal uh in
Speaker 1: the cooler and get it up and drop it off
Speaker 1: with my dad because he's somebody who always wants at
Speaker 1: least half an elk um, so I can make room
Speaker 1: for the elk that I just got um instead of
Speaker 1: or you know, taking it to folks at the office
Speaker 1: or whoever, instead of having that mine because I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to get an elk. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just not going to shoot it now. And I kept
Speaker 1: calling him in and messing with him, uh, maybe even
Speaker 1: purposely educating some so sobody else who I didn't feel
Speaker 1: h had had quite earned it, like talking to the elk, like, listen,
Speaker 1: I know you came all this way in, but we
Speaker 1: had to talk. Yeah, and you know, I I know
Speaker 1: I told you about this, but I called in my
Speaker 1: closest ever elk and uh and that never would have
Speaker 1: happened because I would have shot the thing three or
Speaker 1: four different times um before he even came in. But
Speaker 1: he literally I didn't know. This was in this area
Speaker 1: where these big balls were hanging out, and I could
Speaker 1: hear this ball raking a tree, and I knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the big bulk because when the big bull
Speaker 1: was raking a tree, it literally sounded like a four
Speaker 1: by four getting whacked against a tree, Like it was
Speaker 1: like walk. It was all. It was very similar to
Speaker 1: like hearing a moose like whack of tree and sound
Speaker 1: off um, and so I knew it was an apple,
Speaker 1: but I needed to put eyes on it. And so
Speaker 1: I snuck in there and cow called a couple of
Speaker 1: times and just hung out and eventually, you know, raghorn
Speaker 1: bull comes walking over the hill and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool and at an arrow knocked right like I
Speaker 1: was ready, um, But then he just kind of kind
Speaker 1: of kept coming and then turned and got on the
Speaker 1: same trail that I was on, and he you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking for that cow and there's a tree
Speaker 1: across the trail and he's at like seven yards now
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well he's gonna stop at the tree, um.
Speaker 1: And then he gets up to the tree and as
Speaker 1: like the full horse like four footed leap over the
Speaker 1: tree and he lands basically like three yards. I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's wild. And I'm thinking, are you gonna be like
Speaker 1: a Yellowstone tourist and like wind up skewered by this
Speaker 1: ball because we don't think about that enough. Man, is
Speaker 1: a dangerous situation. It is a dangerous situation. One wrong
Speaker 1: move and you're freaking toast. Freak out and go forward
Speaker 1: instead of backwards and a gruesome ass way too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, A big part of
Speaker 1: that that led me down this decision path was I
Speaker 1: came up with like this. All I can describe it
Speaker 1: as is like this getting older malady. Like I hadn't
Speaker 1: been out, hadn't been out hammering, uh what and training? Uh?
Speaker 1: And I hadn't even gotten on my freaking mountain bike
Speaker 1: at all. And I was busting butt on the house
Speaker 1: and trying to get it done and trying to get
Speaker 1: I had it first light enough to feel good about
Speaker 1: being outside and uh. And yeah, we did a monster
Speaker 1: hike opening day of the season. Uh, grab my overnight gear.
Speaker 1: That night, I went back out another monster hike, and man,
Speaker 1: I was I was pretty crippled on this foot thing.
Speaker 1: And and then I'm like boy. And then you compound
Speaker 1: that by getting skewered in the guts by some Raghorn
Speaker 1: bull Like there's no way I'm getting out of here. Um,
Speaker 1: but this bowl just kept walking and yeah, so part
Speaker 1: of me is like, you better do something, and then
Speaker 1: the other part of me is like the word just
Speaker 1: see how close he comes. And yeah, So twenty nine
Speaker 1: the bull came in twenty that's close. That is that
Speaker 1: closer to me than you? Yes, we're probably fifty inches apart.
Speaker 1: And I had my arrow on on the string right
Speaker 1: and he came in and sniffed the odd head, and
Speaker 1: you could like I've never been that close to an
Speaker 1: elk obviously, And and he came in and sniffed the
Speaker 1: broad head, and I just remember like staring at his
Speaker 1: forehead being like, boy, this must be a really good
Speaker 1: year for horn growth, because this thing's head is so tiny.
Speaker 1: I bet it's normally a spike on normal year it's
Speaker 1: but it's probably a spike. And and you could just
Speaker 1: see like the facial expression of like recognition of like, man,
Speaker 1: I've never seen this before, but it is not right.
Speaker 1: And then it somehow peeled around without touching me or
Speaker 1: the arrow and stood broadside there's my broadside elk ah
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen yards and just stared at me and then
Speaker 1: and I was waiting for it to bark and blow
Speaker 1: the area up, and then it just kind of like
Speaker 1: relaxed completely and then dropped his head and ate and
Speaker 1: walked off. And I'm like, well, I never would have
Speaker 1: experienced that, um, And that was a sweet experience, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not Elk meating the freezer. But yeah, but again,
Speaker 1: the only family thing you left off the story was well,
Speaker 1: when I drawback and shot it, Yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: one sentence in a freaking you know, a article. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so that's the beautiful part about that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I found like I started doing it. I
Speaker 1: think like five years ago when I started thinking, all,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like in the hunting industry as a
Speaker 1: professional person, like I'm hunting a lot for my job. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just taken like a day. I'd never or a
Speaker 1: moment whenever it hit me to like think about like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, how am I hunting now that I haven't
Speaker 1: last year, the year before, the year before that five
Speaker 1: years ago. When I was a kid, I would have
Speaker 1: never done some of the stuff I do now, or
Speaker 1: thought some of them. I'm sure when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: you would never probably never let an l walk up
Speaker 1: to Sniffley Broadhead. No. Yeah, So I always try to
Speaker 1: like think back and recognize those changes and then be
Speaker 1: you know, super cognizant of each year how I what
Speaker 1: I do differently? Yeah, man, and just trying to be
Speaker 1: honest with yourself, right, Like we worked so hard, and
Speaker 1: it was always on the weekend, um, and we worked
Speaker 1: so so hard to get one opportunity. It was like
Speaker 1: if you got one opportunity archery l hunting in the
Speaker 1: state of Montana, whether you let a narrow fly or not,
Speaker 1: that was a successful season for Like, that was like
Speaker 1: a major success. Like the bull was there, had an
Speaker 1: opportunity and I screwed up or I killed it like
Speaker 1: that it was all you could and that was kind
Speaker 1: of a big ask, right, Like that was working really hard,
Speaker 1: um on the weekends, just like everybody else. And now
Speaker 1: I try to work really hard and and if I
Speaker 1: could stay out there for a month, I would stay
Speaker 1: out there for a month. And in just yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the reality is in the opening week of our
Speaker 1: tree season in Idaho, I hunted more than most people will.
Speaker 1: Then then the majority of hunters will the entire season. Right,
Speaker 1: we were talking about that that that's a huge thing.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe doesn't you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things about like what we do and who people
Speaker 1: think we are that that it's helpful I think to
Speaker 1: the honey industry. But there's part of that that changes.
Speaker 1: It's changed me to an extent. We were just talking
Speaker 1: about another point about free hunting gear, and I think
Speaker 1: it's it's the amount of days hunting and the free
Speaker 1: hunting ship that I get, you get, and like just
Speaker 1: we get as part of our thing here. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so caution people when they're like, oh man, that's badass,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I am actually a catered to individual
Speaker 1: like I have. It's it's silly. I am a spoiled man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean when I was moving, I was
Speaker 1: looking at my garage and I was like, come on,
Speaker 1: like no, this is wrong this yeah right, I mean,
Speaker 1: so what's more badass? Right? Like being in this position
Speaker 1: where you get the time, like hey, no, you are
Speaker 1: going el cunning this week, dedicated week, get out there
Speaker 1: um and you at least have at your disposal some
Speaker 1: really solid discounts to get the bass stuff on the marrow,
Speaker 1: get to um or you know the guys swinging the
Speaker 1: hammer and dropping his tool belt at five o'clock and
Speaker 1: driving all night long and yeah, and going out there
Speaker 1: for all day Saturday because he's got to get back
Speaker 1: for his kid's birthday on Sunday, typething. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like I think there's this there's something that happens, and
Speaker 1: it's a natural these natural things like that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make me bad or you bad, or anybody who's in
Speaker 1: the in in our industry bad um for it. But
Speaker 1: I've spent the last you know, a bunch of podcasts
Speaker 1: previous to this one just talking to you know, not
Speaker 1: even guys. I just did one with a rabbit hunter
Speaker 1: in Maryland who he's just a regular guy, but he
Speaker 1: just he's like, buys his brush pants at Gabella's. But
Speaker 1: he's the best rabbit hunter I've ever met in my
Speaker 1: life because his perspectives are so different, because he doesn't
Speaker 1: like he's I just got that one pair of brush pants.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have boxes of prototype stuff test down things
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it's people being like, please test
Speaker 1: these out for us, um And so I think that
Speaker 1: just changes, you know, me personally. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody cares about my personal thing, but that has changed me.
Speaker 1: And I've had to like take a few steps back
Speaker 1: from that and be like, appreciate, be appreciative of the
Speaker 1: time you spend outside, and appreciative of the things that
Speaker 1: you're wearing and and the privileges you have around that.
Speaker 1: Be appreciative of that and then also know that the guy, um,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more virtue in the guy that
Speaker 1: works five days a week and takes his tool belt off,
Speaker 1: goes on like, yeah, I was that guy, so were
Speaker 1: you for a very long time, and like there's there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more virtue. She just like that teeny
Speaker 1: bit more virtue. Yeah, and and well yeah, and so
Speaker 1: folks in the positions of like you got sponsors that
Speaker 1: are willing to pay and chip your butter around the country,
Speaker 1: and you know, and uh, you know, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like the days of this happening aren't quite what
Speaker 1: they used to be. But you know, there was definitely
Speaker 1: a time where, um, the only media out there was
Speaker 1: written media, and there are only a few folks worth reading.
Speaker 1: And those folks got shipped around the world and they
Speaker 1: were i mean catered to because they needed that article
Speaker 1: and it sure didn't produce. Some of them are kind
Speaker 1: of just assholes now because they went through thirty years
Speaker 1: of being catered to. Yeah, and man, they they if
Speaker 1: you're going to be in that position, you better recognize,
Speaker 1: um that you're you're a pretty spoiled cat, So you
Speaker 1: better better give something back somehow. Somewhere there's a ton
Speaker 1: of people that do that and do it well and
Speaker 1: and understand their position, and but it worked hard to
Speaker 1: get there. So I mean, that's not that you should
Speaker 1: feel bad about that, but that's something I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about it, and we talked about we were just before
Speaker 1: we had recorded talking about like seeing it in other
Speaker 1: people like I've been I've had it for a while,
Speaker 1: You've had it for a while, Like seeing somebody just
Speaker 1: start with a box of gear showing up and just
Speaker 1: start to realize I could just have that. Could I
Speaker 1: just that right there? I just take that and then
Speaker 1: nobody would say thing. I just like that person is
Speaker 1: now figuring out you know what this is? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: benefits of always caution, like you know, nothing in life
Speaker 1: is free and there is a cost associated and um,
Speaker 1: you you better recognize that. Yeah, yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: you know, we won't believe at that point because I
Speaker 1: like it's I think sometimes these conversations just become two
Speaker 1: people talking and like you think people people really care about. Um,
Speaker 1: here's another So I'm gonna totally flip. There's no segue
Speaker 1: at all. I got no segway. But it's something I
Speaker 1: was thinking about as we're having lunch today, we were
Speaker 1: having a nice long conversation about public land versus private land. Yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: in the feeling that as as you know, I feel
Speaker 1: there's some danger. I don't know, if you've never talked
Speaker 1: about this, maybe we have a little bit. I feel
Speaker 1: like there is some there. There's always inherent danger with trends,
Speaker 1: right and trendiness. Moreover, there is danger was something being cool.
Speaker 1: When it gets to be cool, people start doing it
Speaker 1: for inauthentic reasons or talking about it for inauthentic reasons. Um,
Speaker 1: public lands have kind of started to trend that way,
Speaker 1: or they it's become a trend to talk about. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of companies are talking about public land,
Speaker 1: a lot of individuals talking about public land. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that all and I would never say don't
Speaker 1: do it. But I there's always a little drawback to that,
Speaker 1: which is which is the yeah uh it you may
Speaker 1: alienate yes folks, so yeah, you and I know a
Speaker 1: few folks that are private landowners or landowners wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to say private their landowners and ranchers who feel ah slighted, yes,
Speaker 1: because they are. They feel like, as we champion, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the mystique of public land hunting and the
Speaker 1: effort it takes to go and do it all on
Speaker 1: yourself own, and the idealistic link it has to our
Speaker 1: our nation and what it means to be American, and
Speaker 1: you know, keep HARKing back to the turn of the
Speaker 1: century and these important figures. There's not a similar storyline
Speaker 1: for private lands and ranching and habitat therein. And so
Speaker 1: there's this perceived undercurrent of of anger or animosity that
Speaker 1: you've seen a little bit. I've seen a little bit
Speaker 1: I think kind of has bubbled up in some ways. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's worth addressing. Yeah, And you know, I think the
Speaker 1: good argument is, oh, you're a public landowner, what do
Speaker 1: you actually do for the land? I am a rancher.
Speaker 1: I have my property and I am out taking care
Speaker 1: of it to the best of my ability every single day.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. What are you doing with your
Speaker 1: public landowner t shirt? I got one on right now. Um,
Speaker 1: And that argument I absolutely get And I love people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think everybody who wears that public landowner shirt
Speaker 1: should be challenged. So, yeah, well, what are you doing
Speaker 1: for public land? I think I ain't make it happen,
Speaker 1: because I want that conversation to happen, right and I
Speaker 1: don't I was even talk the Lantana yesterday from b
Speaker 1: H and I don't want it to feel like I'm
Speaker 1: downing the trendiness of public lands. That's what I want, Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to to to expound upon that and how
Speaker 1: important it is and continue to beat that drum. And
Speaker 1: I will always continue like to beat that drum because
Speaker 1: because I know what it means and what it means
Speaker 1: to me, So not bagging it, no, but addressing like
Speaker 1: the negative side and that this this, once it has
Speaker 1: comes the trend as it has been, then you can
Speaker 1: start to evaluate the it's effect on our culture and
Speaker 1: our shared ideas, like and it's having an effect I
Speaker 1: think a little bit right now that that conversation that
Speaker 1: isn't positive or productive is when somebody feels like they
Speaker 1: aren't cool because they're like, well, I'm I am hunting
Speaker 1: on private land and everybody talks about how cool public
Speaker 1: lands are, and I think my private land is pretty cool,
Speaker 1: and so I don't like you guys. We've you The
Speaker 1: nomenclature of hunting has changed the way we described what
Speaker 1: things we do has changed to the point where it's
Speaker 1: like if someone killed an elk, they're like, man killed
Speaker 1: a good bull. If someone kills a bull in public land,
Speaker 1: they've now killed a public land bull. Like it has
Speaker 1: a modifier in front and it does not go anywhere
Speaker 1: without its public land bull title. No, that's very true
Speaker 1: and very true. And then that is uh, just part
Speaker 1: of like the acceptance of this thing. Ah can be
Speaker 1: a little a little bit tougher, a little bit more, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, pioneering to just go on the land that
Speaker 1: that and figured out and do it yourself like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the we did everything that we could to
Speaker 1: get access to private land in Montana grown up. It's
Speaker 1: there's a grass as always greenery element to it, for sure. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I just didn't
Speaker 1: know it was like, well, I can see across the
Speaker 1: fence and there's a lot of elk out and not
Speaker 1: afou fa field, Like how we get over there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do I get over there? Which is probably a
Speaker 1: way better and more virtuous way to look at that
Speaker 1: ship anyway, Like where the elk cars we would like
Speaker 1: to go. I don't give a ship if it's owned
Speaker 1: by us or that guy. Yeah, I'd like to go
Speaker 1: over there, and yeah, man. But the thing that makes
Speaker 1: public lands so challenging and frustrating, like I saw more
Speaker 1: archery hunters in the woods this year than I ever
Speaker 1: have in my entire life, and spots where I can
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'll never see anybody like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: who is this idiot with a giant backpack? Who is
Speaker 1: not me? Which is the issue here? Uh you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And and that's why the public land
Speaker 1: deal is a challenge because you're out there with every
Speaker 1: other public landowner that's in its competition. It makes it tough. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's that's why that little yeah
Speaker 1: prefect should be on there. Yeah. Yeah, I just noticed
Speaker 1: that lately, like this year, maybe because I was not
Speaker 1: in it and I was looking at it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, there's definitely we've changed the way we described
Speaker 1: hunting because this this animal that died as a as
Speaker 1: a modifier as to where how it died, where it died,
Speaker 1: you know, my public land archery bull um, and the
Speaker 1: animal doesn't care the animal. So when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I remember like we had a organic farm that we
Speaker 1: had access to hunt. It was you know, the lady
Speaker 1: said kill every day. You see they jump off the
Speaker 1: fence to eat my eat my crops, and and that's
Speaker 1: how I make my money. And so we would go
Speaker 1: there and we would see tons of deer. I mean,
Speaker 1: this place is full of deer. It's probably wasn't a
Speaker 1: big place, maybe five acres something like that. And we
Speaker 1: would go and kill five six seven deer in a
Speaker 1: day and we get all our food this lay. It
Speaker 1: would be happy, it would be great. But then we
Speaker 1: had public land that was probably forty five minutes from
Speaker 1: my front door. That was you know, to me at
Speaker 1: the time, mountains, it was a wild place, creek creek crossings, park,
Speaker 1: the truck walk for miles, do your thing. And then
Speaker 1: this private land was very much just like get out
Speaker 1: of the truck, walk down the trail, sit on the log,
Speaker 1: shoot the deer. And so without even knowing it as
Speaker 1: a kid, public land to me was this like adventure
Speaker 1: situation and private it is the unknown? Is this the unknown?
Speaker 1: So for me, like I was doing it without even
Speaker 1: realizing like oh this, we were just like we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Green Ridge day Forest. That's where we're going,
Speaker 1: Like we're just oh man, it's great. You a mountains
Speaker 1: crow across creeks like other people could be there. It's cool.
Speaker 1: It's like mysterious. And then you go to this private
Speaker 1: farming like, well, we walked down the trail and you
Speaker 1: go past the garden about yards, go down the draw
Speaker 1: and then sit on that long there. Yeah, and get
Speaker 1: a deer and get a deer. Yes, And that's how
Speaker 1: you refer to it. It's my uncle down the road here.
Speaker 1: I mean that was I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: grocery shopping, right, and it's great. I mean, and if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about like the real the hypocrisy
Speaker 1: here is like, you know, he has deer that live
Speaker 1: and die on that alfi field and they taste great,
Speaker 1: and he can harvest one. And I do think in
Speaker 1: this case harvest is the absolute appropriate plucking it out
Speaker 1: of the field without really doing anything different in his day.
Speaker 1: He can step out of the tractor, he can shoot
Speaker 1: the deer. He can continue on with the tractor. When
Speaker 1: he gets to where the deer expired, he will then
Speaker 1: throw it. I'm the tractor in the tracker, so it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a detour and just continue on. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, he has told me many many times. He's like,
Speaker 1: you can have anybody out here as long as they
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And he appreciates that land like deep in
Speaker 1: his soul, and it exudes from his eyeballs, like he
Speaker 1: man like he takes great, great pride. And and he's
Speaker 1: seen the changes firsthand. He's got his hands dirty every
Speaker 1: single day. And he's sixty some years old now and
Speaker 1: maybe even older. I don't know, sorry, Jeffrey. And and
Speaker 1: and that is that is a real thing. And folks
Speaker 1: like him, Dad, I hope to god they don't feel
Speaker 1: slighted so happy about public land. Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 1: we're when, uh, at lunch to day, you and I
Speaker 1: Ronella were talking about, like, don't feel just because we
Speaker 1: say we love public lands doesn't mean we hate private land.
Speaker 1: And that that we had a particular person I felt
Speaker 1: that way, you know, that reached out to you and
Speaker 1: me and almost like separately, but like in the same threat.
Speaker 1: That's like I on private land, and and nobody's celebrating this.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no T shirts for this thing, Like okay,
Speaker 1: well there's reasons for that, but moreover, I don't hate
Speaker 1: your thing. In fact, I aspire to have a ranch
Speaker 1: one day if I could, Uh, I would love to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a lucky sucker, and that's why we don't have
Speaker 1: to celebrate you. It'd be like it's like the Oscars,
Speaker 1: like celebrating rich, famous people. We don't need to do that.
Speaker 1: If you have access, you don't. You're you've already won,
Speaker 1: like you've won the game at some level. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: some level. And and it's you know, people aren't helping
Speaker 1: you celebrate that more than boy, that's a great ball
Speaker 1: because they don't get that experience either at the vast majority.
Speaker 1: To go back to the beginning here, like you don't
Speaker 1: get that many days in the woods, and you know,
Speaker 1: unless you're really dedicating time to you know, track down
Speaker 1: those landowners and make sure that they know that you're
Speaker 1: not some knucklehead that's gonna, yeah, shoot a horse instead
Speaker 1: of an elk um, then you're probably not gonna waste
Speaker 1: your one weekend doing that, no, because you only got
Speaker 1: one weekend to go. So um, it strikes me now
Speaker 1: that we're going through this that they that idea that
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about homesteading as as you
Speaker 1: were talking there, like homesteading is part of the was
Speaker 1: part of the American dream right. It was part of
Speaker 1: like what people wanted to do. It was part of
Speaker 1: benifest testing, going west and stake in your ground. It
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. And that's being used
Speaker 1: by guys like Mike Lee has this draw to draw
Speaker 1: people in and convince them that that, you know, the
Speaker 1: new Homestead Act is what they need to be doing.
Speaker 1: When that we both at this table. No, that's a
Speaker 1: veiled attempt two privatize these lands and sell the suckers,
Speaker 1: which is a sad thing. Like I would celebrate homesteading.
Speaker 1: I think homesteading is what this country it isn't It
Speaker 1: is what this country was built upon. Yeah, And there
Speaker 1: was a reaction to that. That was public lands, that
Speaker 1: was national forests. That wasn't that the national parks. It
Speaker 1: was a reaction to like, we're out here staking all
Speaker 1: this land up. Let's make sure, let's make sure this
Speaker 1: part is for all of us. M yea. And so
Speaker 1: it spins it. You know, the reason that private landowners
Speaker 1: are feeling a little slighted or feeling different from the
Speaker 1: crowd here as as the crowd grows, public land hunters
Speaker 1: and folks that will wear the T shirt. Um it
Speaker 1: opens up like some weird political chasm for for like
Speaker 1: us against them. It's like red versus blue, private versus public.
Speaker 1: And that's the nice thing, is it. The public is
Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, so there is no one us versus them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you know, if if anything, uh, maybe we've
Speaker 1: reduced the amount of folks stopping by and knocking on
Speaker 1: your door on a Sunday. Yeah. One of michaela is
Speaker 1: trying to convince people that because public land is elitist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what he's trying to convince private landers and ranchers and
Speaker 1: people that fall on the red side of the coin
Speaker 1: that public land is an elitist principle. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it Oh, it's just so wrong in so many ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of people sleep in parks.
Speaker 1: Public parks. Doesn't seem real elitist elitists. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's all kind of uh spun together in this
Speaker 1: weird gumbo of of honey. Yeah it is. And again,
Speaker 1: like I so the we were just just did a
Speaker 1: wyoming antelot hunt um with the couple of the guys
Speaker 1: from Hush and uh the guy as at Weatherby. Weatherby
Speaker 1: is now calling themselves whether whether it be three point
Speaker 1: oh internally, probably shouldn't be telling everybody that. But and
Speaker 1: it's cool because Adam Weatherby is is CEO, and he's
Speaker 1: and he's running things, and they're moving to Wyoming. There
Speaker 1: the whole the corporate office is in Wyoming already, but
Speaker 1: they're moving the whole manufacturing out of California Wyoming. So
Speaker 1: when I did a antelope punt together on private land, um, and,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I had an absolute ball, like just
Speaker 1: leisurely passing up antelope for truly no reason other than
Speaker 1: the fact that you could could and some other truck
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna top over the ridge and whack that thing right.
Speaker 1: And it was. It was great. It was super super fun,
Speaker 1: great experience. Um and yeah, and and and that doesn't
Speaker 1: make me less of a public landowner or pro one
Speaker 1: thing anti another. Where's incredibility lie? Like what does that even? Like?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Somebody asked me, like, what
Speaker 1: kind of you know, how do you get your credibilities
Speaker 1: at hunter? If you're just gonna have private lands because
Speaker 1: there's an animal over there and you're over here and
Speaker 1: you go over and you kill it. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 1: that's a skill I did, so there there's some chunks
Speaker 1: of BLM that are landlocked there, and um, I wrote
Speaker 1: around with the rancher um the whole time and got
Speaker 1: a ton of bullshitting and which I just loved with
Speaker 1: an old ranchers, Like, yeah, that's kind of bullshit. There
Speaker 1: is awesome, awesome, you know, rattling around in the truck
Speaker 1: and and uh you know, I'm just like, just like
Speaker 1: I was when I was like twelve, riding around with
Speaker 1: an old rancher, I was like a question every thirty seconds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, enough about me? What about and that tree
Speaker 1: right there? And he's like what about He's like, what
Speaker 1: are you looking for? What do you I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just want to see more more of the ranch. I
Speaker 1: just want to keep doing what we're doing. Uh Um.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, he's like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is kind of like the average antelope and some of
Speaker 1: them will get a little bit bigger. But then I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I do not care. I'm like, I just like this,
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now is what I'm after. This
Speaker 1: is awesome and we had a great time, and um,
Speaker 1: there are some chunks of BLM there that are completely
Speaker 1: land locked, so public land inaccessible public land, which is
Speaker 1: something I just drives me crazy. And but you know,
Speaker 1: talking with this rancher about it, he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've tried to do some land swaps with the state
Speaker 1: because he's like, these things are honestly kind of a
Speaker 1: pain in my butt. And um, he's like, I tried
Speaker 1: to do this like three or four times and swap
Speaker 1: out sections that are yeah public. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and swap this stuff out so I don't
Speaker 1: have the public landing inside the perimeters of the of
Speaker 1: the other ranch. And and so that was an interesting
Speaker 1: conversation on one of the weather be guys is like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you you probably want to shoot your antelope
Speaker 1: over there on that chunk of BLM. So since it's public,
Speaker 1: ain't that like what we're talking about, though, That's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. You're probably gonna want for credibility sake.
Speaker 1: You want to go over there, right, because that's your thing, right,
Speaker 1: even no that public land is basically private and keep
Speaker 1: up appearances. And I was just so excited to just
Speaker 1: be able to get Bones home, which I never do
Speaker 1: because typically have to leave him on the mountain to
Speaker 1: save some weight and make stock. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm already on hog having and yeah, what I care
Speaker 1: about in this particular situation is getting not a pile
Speaker 1: of bones so I can make stock at home. And
Speaker 1: I haven't eating an antelope and a long time, and
Speaker 1: I'm pumped about that. And I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: a six inch buck or a sixteen inch buck um,
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't care where it's standing, don't care
Speaker 1: where it staying. I'm just trying to for some reason lately,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about a lot of T shirt ideas.
Speaker 1: We're start selling t shirts on the podcast. We're not
Speaker 1: on the podcast, but about it. I think that might
Speaker 1: be good. Nice one. I don't care where it's staying.
Speaker 1: I don't care where you're staying. You don't care A
Speaker 1: shot that six and a half by three hundred. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a straight cheetn sun up a bit in it.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. The casing on that thing is enormous.
Speaker 1: Ye I it was for three years ago. Now, I
Speaker 1: think I was one of the first guys to get
Speaker 1: it in like travel abroad with it, are doing anything crazy?
Speaker 1: We went to New Zealand, and I missed, uh foul
Speaker 1: dere like three six yards. We were about forty year
Speaker 1: angle above this foulon deer, and I'm like, well, imnuna
Speaker 1: have to hold high. You know I had shot you know,
Speaker 1: I was living in Texas then, so I'm like, there
Speaker 1: was no ranges past a hundred yards, so I only
Speaker 1: shot at a hundred yards with this rifle. We go
Speaker 1: over there, we shooter guns in. I'm doing good out
Speaker 1: the two hundred we got this go to at this
Speaker 1: foulon dere like three sixteen yards. I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to hold high because we're gonna have you know,
Speaker 1: we got we got an angle, steep angle here. And
Speaker 1: I shot over these things back and then I remember Adam,
Speaker 1: whether Be or someone at weather Be saying this thing
Speaker 1: is flat to three hundred yards, and I thought, you're
Speaker 1: a dummy. Just hold on. So this foulder kers running
Speaker 1: up this draw and I just crack another round in
Speaker 1: there and just put right on the shoulder and drop
Speaker 1: him at probably three or fifty yards. And that's when
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, you know, Adam is a pretty impressive character.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he's like he knows their loads. Obviously,
Speaker 1: and he knows they're guns, but he for everybody shot.
Speaker 1: Um was like, yeah, you got about ten wind here,
Speaker 1: and that's coming out of the barrel at about feet
Speaker 1: per second, so you're gonna want to hold about an
Speaker 1: inch and a half to the right. You're like, what awesome?
Speaker 1: Can you come with me on all my house? Like
Speaker 1: this is awesome? Yes, he comes from a long line
Speaker 1: of impressive dudes. I can only imagine. You know, I've
Speaker 1: met his father and never did meet Royal Weatherby, but
Speaker 1: weather Be's this as impressive of a fella. That's cool.
Speaker 1: I do have to tell everybody that Ben and I
Speaker 1: are sitting here on our butts doing this podcast. I
Speaker 1: got my back to the window and uh watching uh
Speaker 1: Steven Ronnella Carrie physically move things into the office. He's
Speaker 1: moving like tables, table boxes. I thought he was yeah y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's giving Yanni a piggyback ride. He loves that little fellow,
Speaker 1: he really likes. Yeah, I have my back to the windows.
Speaker 1: I haven't been seeing like, I am aware that people
Speaker 1: are bringing things in, but they must think that we're
Speaker 1: this is work though, right, Yeah, this is work. Got
Speaker 1: Steve walking backwards with the meat eater uh ceo uh
Speaker 1: carrying a table up up some stairs. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is a team, team effort. We're all for one,
Speaker 1: one for all around here. Unless your podcast, somebody gets
Speaker 1: out to carry this ship. I mean I will eventually
Speaker 1: carry some stuff, I think, but I don't at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't want to hurt myself or anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's not like that Brunella walking around in
Speaker 1: the background sweating it out while we're hamming it up about.
Speaker 1: It's good for the biggest issues. Um. I like having
Speaker 1: you on, you know why because uh one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why. One of the many reasons is because of
Speaker 1: the Sometimes I get bothered about stuff and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how to bring it up on the podcast. Like
Speaker 1: I get bothered about like I was bothered about the
Speaker 1: public private land thing. It's just bothering about it, and
Speaker 1: it is bothering bothers you. You should should feel right
Speaker 1: to be bothered, because yeah, man, I like, I know
Speaker 1: so many awesome landowners and laugh a lot in my
Speaker 1: family and they kick ass and they should be celebrated
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: hard to celebrate something that a lot of people aren't
Speaker 1: gonna be able to touch. I think you and I
Speaker 1: will start a series of podcast where it's just like
Speaker 1: it'll be called I'm bothered by I like it, and
Speaker 1: then it just we'll just talk about this ship that
Speaker 1: bothers us. Currently you're grants, my gears, you guys my gears. Um,
Speaker 1: here's the one thing, the other thing that bothers me. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to really articulate them. And
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't brought it up to anybody yet.
Speaker 1: But guiding or the outfitting outfitting guiding is it's a
Speaker 1: subset about things you've been a guide. Um, So as
Speaker 1: I look at like as I think about my own
Speaker 1: hunting and why I'm doing the thing, and and I
Speaker 1: just read about hunting all the time, and I look
Speaker 1: at on on social media, and I talked to hunters.
Speaker 1: I moved to Bosman to be around him and be,
Speaker 1: you know, be a part of this thing. And and
Speaker 1: it strikes me that, um, there's a lot of examples
Speaker 1: of this that outfitting can't help. But be all about
Speaker 1: the anilers. You can't fucking help it, um, almost just
Speaker 1: because of the way it's set up the way it's
Speaker 1: done traditionally. Outfiteling can't help but slide that book of
Speaker 1: photos across the table, or have its main page on
Speaker 1: the website of the outfit or be a bunch of
Speaker 1: dead giant animals. Has to entice the people to come
Speaker 1: and see the giant animals and kill the giant animals
Speaker 1: that they've got, And so that's just bothered. That's something
Speaker 1: that's bothered me. And I've hunted with outfitters and guides
Speaker 1: my whole life, and I've never met I'm very I've
Speaker 1: had one or two that I can think that I
Speaker 1: would never go back with again, that it was a
Speaker 1: bad experience. They were helpful in my experiencing a place
Speaker 1: that I didn't know anything about, or learning things, or
Speaker 1: learning tactics or learning and whatever. I mean. They're helpful
Speaker 1: in my hunting experience, not harmful. But like the optics
Speaker 1: of the outfitting game. You've been to s CI you've
Speaker 1: been to Harrisburg, You've been to all these places I've
Speaker 1: been to. Like the optics of it is the sales
Speaker 1: that you know, making it a commodity, and then the
Speaker 1: selling of the opportunity at a big animal like my
Speaker 1: dad's doing it currently, is going with outfit in Montana
Speaker 1: next month, and he was instead of talking about the country,
Speaker 1: the place, the people he might meet, he was talking
Speaker 1: about the size of the antlers that the outfitter was
Speaker 1: showing him. That's not my dad, but it's like the
Speaker 1: outfitter was like, come hunted Montana, check it out. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know that very well. Yeah, So that's been bothering me.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? You know, I think
Speaker 1: everybody likes wants to get something big. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's because they're not around every tree right. Um And
Speaker 1: but isn't that like one I guess maybe one of
Speaker 1: the things that bothers me is that that's like an
Speaker 1: artificial like if you go out on public or private
Speaker 1: lane and do all the work and get the big thing,
Speaker 1: that's what hunting is. This is like so I've always said, like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the marketing sales part. Yeah, big animals man, for
Speaker 1: for sure. There's uh um and uh adam field to
Speaker 1: table hunts in Colorado. Um And and he does do
Speaker 1: something like no, these are cow hunts, and and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna add show you have to cut it, cut it
Speaker 1: up and you're gonna have cut wrap meat going home,
Speaker 1: and and that's super awesome. Obviously it's a much different
Speaker 1: customer then. Yes, then you know that there's the like
Speaker 1: the sub sub category, the one percent of the hunting company,
Speaker 1: hunting world that's like, yeah, can you give that meat
Speaker 1: away to somebody like or they don't even inquire to
Speaker 1: it at all. Right, it's like, give me my picture,
Speaker 1: make sure this gets the tax during must and I'm
Speaker 1: on the I'm back on the plane. Can I take that.
Speaker 1: I'm a little a little bit deeper at one level, deeper,
Speaker 1: like there's that one percent to be give ship two
Speaker 1: ships about the meat, but there's another like deeper subset
Speaker 1: that cares about the meat a little bit yep, enough
Speaker 1: to like eat some backstrapping camp and maybe if if
Speaker 1: it's not inconvenient, takes some home. Um. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of examples of that kind of activity, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, taking some backstraps on and leaving the rest
Speaker 1: of the animal, uh and saying why I love the meat.
Speaker 1: You left most of the meat. And that's real expensive
Speaker 1: to get on the plane and you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what he six thousand dollar hunt? Yeah, I've seen that
Speaker 1: a lot in Canada, particularly because that's how hard it
Speaker 1: is to get the entire moves back to the States.
Speaker 1: People like, I'll just take the big cuts that I like, Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: that's not wrong, but I just, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: like there's just some bothersome like threads of that that
Speaker 1: I think, so the greater public to the non on
Speaker 1: the public don't look so good. Yeah yeah, and there
Speaker 1: are some realities and truth to that in the hunting space. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but I have always said, like a really good guy,
Speaker 1: really good outfitter, they are going to may you feel
Speaker 1: as if you you did it like you like you
Speaker 1: came over that religion, you spotted the animal and you
Speaker 1: got yourself like and they're they're facilitating rights. Yeah yeah um,
Speaker 1: but if you don't have that sense of accomplishment, then
Speaker 1: they did a bad job, dead animal or not right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's nobody that there's folks that can trick themselves
Speaker 1: into thinking something different. But if it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: all I did it really was pulled the trigger. That's
Speaker 1: not in my mind. You didn't. Yeah, you turned in
Speaker 1: b work as a guy not at work, And that's
Speaker 1: what I would make that point again, isn't that I
Speaker 1: say it bothers me? I think you made the great
Speaker 1: same as like the marketing. Is that what bothers me?
Speaker 1: Most of my guided hunts, I've always come off a
Speaker 1: better hunter, with a great experience and felt like fulfill
Speaker 1: by the thing. Yeah, and ideally, like that guide out
Speaker 1: there that you're spending time with your like you know,
Speaker 1: I want to spend time with him again. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a lot of that going on. In fact, you know,
Speaker 1: I just got a text from a guy named Mike
Speaker 1: Hawkard's that the first moosehn I ever did with Rogan
Speaker 1: up in British Columbia, Like that dude remained a friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it wasn't like the most hardcore moose
Speaker 1: hunt ever, but it was a great time and I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I did it. Um So I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it's more of my biggest issue with
Speaker 1: always thinking about the messaging around what we do. Is
Speaker 1: this the marketing of like the intrinsic person to person
Speaker 1: marketing of of outfitters? How it shows up online, how
Speaker 1: it shows up at trade shows? How that like and
Speaker 1: and I've seen and you've likely seen documentaries and vice.
Speaker 1: Ah episodes and different like non hunting coverage of hunting
Speaker 1: that go was to the trade show and makes it
Speaker 1: look like a circus. It goes to sci and shows
Speaker 1: you know, the dude walking up and asking about the
Speaker 1: lion and seeing the flipbook of dead animals like it,
Speaker 1: and they play like yachte sacks while first looking around
Speaker 1: in the trade show because there's somebody on the outside.
Speaker 1: That ship looks really weird. It does it looks you know,
Speaker 1: it looks very yah. You know, it looks like trophy
Speaker 1: on it. Yep. Yeah. And you know I was when
Speaker 1: I was speaking to my class yesterday at the university,
Speaker 1: we need to discuss that part Cale's a guest you said,
Speaker 1: guest lecturer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, which was awesome
Speaker 1: because the University of Montana and I didn't exactly leave
Speaker 1: on great terms, didn't didn't part way is on a
Speaker 1: great term. Um, but the they were studying, um like
Speaker 1: that that what guiding was, what outfitting was. And but
Speaker 1: of course, like they start in the nineteenth century right
Speaker 1: where the real deal trophy hunting was taking place. Um,
Speaker 1: where he had like your caravan of taxid room us
Speaker 1: and you know, and and a lot of tweed going on.
Speaker 1: Oh man, And uh, you know, I get to go
Speaker 1: a lot of places and chat with a lot of
Speaker 1: folks as as you do. Um, the amount of hunters
Speaker 1: that I run into that I would consider trophy hunters
Speaker 1: like that definition of trophy hunters is so so small. Um.
Speaker 1: And again like it's that one percent of the hunting population.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, like hunting that we talked about him all
Speaker 1: the time ourselves. Yeah, and the media certainly focuses on there.
Speaker 1: And and you know, the more the medias refers to
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Jr. As your average hunter, the more because
Speaker 1: that just yeah, he may be your average hunter, but
Speaker 1: there's plenty of examples of him doing non average things
Speaker 1: in the hunting space. Like it is it that's a challenge,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why I'm I know for
Speaker 1: a fact having experienced it. It's not trophy hunting. Like
Speaker 1: you don't go to the hair the Great American Outdoor
Speaker 1: Show and the Harrisburg and there's a bunch of trophy
Speaker 1: hunters there. That's not the case. Um. But I think
Speaker 1: a conversation we could have better that I've seen at
Speaker 1: that show is like a wyoming mel deear outfit or
Speaker 1: sitting at his booth at Harrisburg with his giant his
Speaker 1: heads everywhere and his pictures of all the antlers, and
Speaker 1: then to get the non trophy hunting regular guy that
Speaker 1: has just extra five grand that wants to go out west,
Speaker 1: is all of a sudden like walking around looking for
Speaker 1: the guy with the biggest heads. Yeah, yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't blame either party and I don't and I
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and I know it's not that
Speaker 1: I know it's not what you're talking about, but I
Speaker 1: think the optics of it are such, the optics of
Speaker 1: it are such, could be improved a little bit. That's
Speaker 1: what I've been bothered by. There's I don't have anything
Speaker 1: that really comes to mind, because you know that average
Speaker 1: Joe just just like anybody, for any situation. You're like, yep,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out west, and you're a skier and
Speaker 1: you're looking at resorts and one has of powder every
Speaker 1: year and the other one has eight inches of powder
Speaker 1: every year. You're like, well, probably to go for more snow,
Speaker 1: not less in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think that,
Speaker 1: but that even goes back to it, just the focusing
Speaker 1: just the animal, right, like Yeah, what they really want
Speaker 1: is a kick ass all around experience. Yes, that's what
Speaker 1: they really want, That's what they really desire. And if
Speaker 1: how do we how do how do we give that
Speaker 1: to them? Without saying the big deer is the end?
Speaker 1: You know, the big there's always the end result, always always,
Speaker 1: and I support that. I'm with you. I want them
Speaker 1: all too. I desire when I see a big deal there,
Speaker 1: I lust after that motherfucker like I would marry it,
Speaker 1: like if it would would like to spend time with me.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? Bend? So I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying I don't get that, but
Speaker 1: like like I said, I mean, I think if if
Speaker 1: I took my non hunting brother to hunting trade show
Speaker 1: and he stood and watch that interaction, he would not
Speaker 1: get the reality of the situation. Yes, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think that part of our industry
Speaker 1: could use a little you know, just more of a
Speaker 1: more of a conversation about that one thing it is.
Speaker 1: And if you sit in on those conversations with those outfitters,
Speaker 1: the first thirty seconds they're like, yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: great example of it here. Yes, and you may may
Speaker 1: have an opportunity at a buck like that if you
Speaker 1: come out with me. But they're not behind every tree, right,
Speaker 1: these are these are prime examples. Right we are putting
Speaker 1: the best tomatoes in the front of the display. Yes,
Speaker 1: like that's that's how and you most won't do that.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the conversations is to sit down
Speaker 1: like what's the tent camp, Like what's the food? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how long you been doing this? Like you got a family.
Speaker 1: That's how people have the conversation, you know most of
Speaker 1: the time, uh, but it's uh but face value, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: all these folks are just looking to kill big ship.
Speaker 1: And that's if you walk down the aisles and you
Speaker 1: didn't like listen into those conversations, you'd be like, this
Speaker 1: is a this is a and learn horn market. Yes, yep, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And again like that trophy part of the conversation is
Speaker 1: such a small part of the conversation. When you're actually
Speaker 1: booking a hunt with an outfitter and they get through
Speaker 1: it as fast as possible, they're like, yeah, those animals
Speaker 1: do exist. Obviously, they're mounted and stuffed and right in
Speaker 1: front of your face. They do exist. That's a great
Speaker 1: example of a thing. Yeah, like, but there are no guarantees. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the Yeah, that's the one thing is i'd say, like,
Speaker 1: as our segment concludes what bothers me today, I recently
Speaker 1: have been bothered by that and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: tell you nothing will come of it other than that
Speaker 1: it was something I was thinking about around my um,
Speaker 1: around my dad's hunt, and like, how is presented to him? Um?
Speaker 1: All right? We uh, I don't normally do this. I
Speaker 1: might have done it one at a time, but we
Speaker 1: asked for questions for you and for me from I
Speaker 1: got some and they're pretty good, pretty good. This one
Speaker 1: is from Meat Eating Canadian. Are there any specific bones
Speaker 1: from large game that we can use for stock slash
Speaker 1: broth if we find out our animal has c w D?
Speaker 1: Or should they be left alone all together to c
Speaker 1: w D being chronic wasting disease? Of course? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if you are really following the whole in
Speaker 1: total guidelines, you want to discard those bones, um, whatever
Speaker 1: they may be, but certainly the spinal column and the
Speaker 1: head um ian the same place that you got that deer,
Speaker 1: So don't travel around with them and unfortunately, don't make
Speaker 1: stock with them. Yeah, yeah, I think that's you've heard
Speaker 1: you You hear all kinds of reactions to it, right,
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty specific example. There's CWD hanging around,
Speaker 1: and I have a deer that's tested positive for it.
Speaker 1: Really no, I don't want him to say I have
Speaker 1: will actually say. I say they, Um, Green Ridge State
Speaker 1: Forest that I hunting and growing up, there was c
Speaker 1: w D in that county. Um, a big outbreak CTD
Speaker 1: and they cut the deer tags down for for some
Speaker 1: years around that. Um that's my only experience, but we
Speaker 1: kind of just squid hunting up there, Yeah, for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Of course I moved away at some
Speaker 1: point during that, but it was less of a thing
Speaker 1: because of it. So that's I think. Now it's like,
Speaker 1: we know cwts a thing, we know it's around. What's
Speaker 1: the what's the appropriate reaction for hunters? Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: do think that's it now. I know I believe that
Speaker 1: like Department of Natural Resources says, you know, just don't
Speaker 1: deal with the spinal column or or the brain or
Speaker 1: anything with spinal fluid um. But if you read some
Speaker 1: other sources, they tell you to leave all the bones
Speaker 1: in place. So I would just say, until we get
Speaker 1: a handle on this, we just you gotta Unfortunately it sucks,
Speaker 1: but you gotta skip making stock on on that creator.
Speaker 1: You got to. Yeah, but it's not worth it. It's
Speaker 1: not worth it. Here's I got some pretty funny ones,
Speaker 1: but nobody would understand a lot of these questions. We
Speaker 1: have a whatever Trevor has asking is Montana better than Texas? Uh? Boy,
Speaker 1: you lived in the state of Texas. You've been there though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, in Texan pride is not to be
Speaker 1: messed with. They you put it on shirts, don't mess
Speaker 1: with Texas. So I'm not gonna mess with it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna answer that question. No, man. I mean it
Speaker 1: depends on what you're into. Like barbecue, you like shorts
Speaker 1: and flip flops, Texas baby, Texas hospitality is a real
Speaker 1: fantastic As a father of a young child, do you
Speaker 1: like breweries with playgrounds? Absolutely? I love that And there's
Speaker 1: copies some aunts of that going on in Texas. Um
Speaker 1: that seems to be similar here in Montana right now.
Speaker 1: It's very cold outside of Montana. It's very warm outside
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, I mean, variety is the spice lay France.
Speaker 1: A lot of opportunity us in Texas that you don't
Speaker 1: have Montana. You've got a lot of opportunities in Montana
Speaker 1: that you don't have in Texas. Um, you know, try
Speaker 1: it all. What about spices, the variety of life as
Speaker 1: a t shirt idea, spice is the variety of life.
Speaker 1: It's deep, it's not funny. We'll we're gonna, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna don we never will cut that b shook. Five.
Speaker 1: Let's talk tongues. Best tongue recipe. Yeah, So the simple
Speaker 1: deal with with tongue is it is a tough muscle.
Speaker 1: So pressure cooker or boil it. Um, and then you
Speaker 1: can pull the hide of the tongue off and the
Speaker 1: meat on the inside is really tender and great. And
Speaker 1: that's a delicate process pulling that hide off the huh
Speaker 1: it can be if you get the timing right, like
Speaker 1: you cook it long enough, then that meat separates almost
Speaker 1: on I've screwed that up in the past. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: on a deer tongue, if you're leaving a lot of
Speaker 1: meat on that high, then you're not left with a
Speaker 1: lot of meat in real short fashion. So um, and
Speaker 1: then from there, man, you can do anything you want
Speaker 1: with that make tacos out of it. Do whatever. I
Speaker 1: saw tad um when when I collect a lot of them,
Speaker 1: I saw tam and um green, all of those pimentos, garlic,
Speaker 1: a little bit of red wine, um and uh, and
Speaker 1: I throw some morels in there and then I serve
Speaker 1: it all on top of polenta and it's real one
Speaker 1: of my favorite. I love polenta. I fucking love Morrel's
Speaker 1: Yes puttle. I was talking in there, and I'm happy
Speaker 1: Camper coming over. Ye, I live way closer to you know, coming, Yeah,
Speaker 1: going over. Let's see if we find one more real
Speaker 1: good one. I got a lot of specifical it's about
Speaker 1: they're making me laugh, but nothing. Everybody wants to know,
Speaker 1: like your favorite thing to cook, man, I think your
Speaker 1: favorite your favorite cut the it's that's just a yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a tough question because I just really enjoy cooking,
Speaker 1: and it's super fun to try a new stuff, and
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure that you're just like constantly kicking
Speaker 1: your butt out of that rrupt and all open a
Speaker 1: cookbook and try something else out to really force myself
Speaker 1: to do something different, because it's just so easy to
Speaker 1: cook the same thing. Yeah, I have a problem with
Speaker 1: that I have a similar thing. I have a major problem.
Speaker 1: That's the freezer problem that I've had. I've had so
Speaker 1: much like straps and loins and yes, so Kimi Werner,
Speaker 1: love her, love her. Yeah, I look her up. You
Speaker 1: don't know who she is. You better get to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and incredible boys for food and harvesting critters. Um and uh.
Speaker 1: You know, she came over and I gave her a
Speaker 1: whole meal to your loin to play with and um
Speaker 1: she cut it up, pounded it thin and and lightly
Speaker 1: fried it. And I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you just ruined my far backstrap of those things. But
Speaker 1: I'm probably being polite because you're my house guest. And
Speaker 1: she could tell. She was like, She's like, yeah, are
Speaker 1: you get And so she's like, listen, I you know,
Speaker 1: I know food is important to you. It's super important
Speaker 1: to me. I feel like I disrespected your animal and
Speaker 1: we had this big heart to heart um and and
Speaker 1: you know, the reality is I'm just an asshole. And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that was absolutely phenomenal food. I
Speaker 1: ate it. I ate all the leftovers yesterday and they
Speaker 1: were even better than the first night. And I have
Speaker 1: a surplus of meat. Oh yeah, and I should never
Speaker 1: think that this has to be cooked this way, and
Speaker 1: it was. It was great and just me being set
Speaker 1: my way as oh we've got yeah, and there's this
Speaker 1: podcast as that. There's the thing with my wife where
Speaker 1: I'm always just mean to her about cooking and wild
Speaker 1: game and I don't want to be awesome person, way
Speaker 1: better than me almost everything, but I get so pent
Speaker 1: up about like her cooking the game and maybe it
Speaker 1: might not be the best it could be. This is
Speaker 1: how you do this. I turned into a complete idiot. Yes,
Speaker 1: it comes to that. But I had this antelope loin
Speaker 1: and I smashed it flat, um, you know, cut it
Speaker 1: into steaks, like good inch and a half inch steaks,
Speaker 1: smashed it down into probably quarter inch steaks, and put
Speaker 1: a little bit uh. Here's a uh immigrated Texican Jess Priles.
Speaker 1: She does some cool stuff, cool hardcore hardcover carm and
Speaker 1: she came out with the game seasoning and I put
Speaker 1: a little bit of that on there, and then I
Speaker 1: put a little Italian bread crumbs on there and just
Speaker 1: smashed at him and just a little bit like more
Speaker 1: like seasoning than a breading crust, butter olive oil, big
Speaker 1: chunks of garlic, got that going until the garlic started
Speaker 1: brown up, pulled the garlic out, slit the antelope in there,
Speaker 1: got it of the way, he cooked still on the
Speaker 1: ross side, pulled it back out through the garlic in
Speaker 1: their shallots. Uh bunch morales. Uh. They soaked all that
Speaker 1: butter and olive oil up and cooked and then put
Speaker 1: the meat back in and had I feel like that
Speaker 1: should be called scalapini, but I don't want know, so
Speaker 1: you know, if that sounds like, that sounds right. It
Speaker 1: was absolutely phenomenal, and I would have just been eating
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful medium rare barbecued anaelopline if I hadn't
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I gotta try something different. So what
Speaker 1: you're telling people is expand, expand. It's very important to expand,
Speaker 1: try a new things and screw it up and try again.
Speaker 1: It is and you're gonna mow through that freezer so
Speaker 1: much faster if you're excited that, yeah, trying new stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And there's there's uh that's the way
Speaker 1: even for me processing game, like do you have muscle groups?
Speaker 1: You have? It seems pretty straightforward, but sometimes there's little
Speaker 1: things you can do to make it quicker. Make it easier.
Speaker 1: And those are the things that you remember and you
Speaker 1: can can pass on to other people. Same with cooking,
Speaker 1: but you gotta try it first. Yeah. Maybe one time
Speaker 1: they screw up the shank as you're as you're chopping
Speaker 1: it off, But next time you're gonna know, Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: all you learn. Um a lot of mustache queries. How
Speaker 1: many mustache push ups can you do? Uh? Huh? Mustachts?
Speaker 1: You know, like, what are some good tips for a
Speaker 1: nice mustache? Um? Do you have any uh final thoughts
Speaker 1: around mustaches? Particularly? It bought a thing of mustache wax
Speaker 1: uh many years ago in uh, you know, the West
Speaker 1: Coast epicenter of hipster dump, seattle and facial hair. Um,
Speaker 1: and uh, I still have that tin of mustache wax.
Speaker 1: So occasionally, like particularly in the winter months and hair
Speaker 1: growth is really really moving, I'll wax it up just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Keep keep my mustache out of my food.
Speaker 1: But that's that's about all. Have you ever been chewing
Speaker 1: on a piece of food and thought, well, there's a
Speaker 1: hair in it and realize that you were only chewing
Speaker 1: on your own facial hair and that's gross still attached
Speaker 1: to your face? Ye find out to be a problem.
Speaker 1: Who put this hair? This's gross? Um, all right, I
Speaker 1: think that's it. I don't I don't see off look again.
Speaker 1: But thank you. We got seventy eight people commenting ah
Speaker 1: and asking questions. So thank you for all of those
Speaker 1: folks who did that. I don't really ever do that,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty cool. Everybody wrote in thank you for that.
Speaker 1: What's next for you? Man? What are you doing now?
Speaker 1: Granny's ninetieth birthday? Whoa yep uh Grahama Merryan Walton is
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Yeah, tough, tough old bird and there's no
Speaker 1: ninety year old week old bird. Yeah. And uh so
Speaker 1: we're the big family, the clowns getting together, um uh
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow and we're gonna do big food throw down.
Speaker 1: And I got a whole antelope ham that I threw
Speaker 1: in the suvied in the in the truck and um
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're gonna throw down for Granny. And then
Speaker 1: I'm coming back here. I'm joining the crew and flying
Speaker 1: out to Maryland in my home place. Do you hunt
Speaker 1: seek a deer? Which is something I've been very excited about.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, delicious creature, non native but delicious. Yes,
Speaker 1: there he goes. People are leaving work now, they're like
Speaker 1: going over to their families and we've totally avoided any moving.
Speaker 1: That's great, it's really great, well well planned out, well
Speaker 1: good at some things. Well enjoy Maryland. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a fun hunt. That's a wonderful deer and we'll look
Speaker 1: forward to it. Uh the next season of Meat Eater TV. Right,
Speaker 1: So if you listen to this, go watch Callahan one
Speaker 1: season seven and beat either TV. Your freeloaders like, make
Speaker 1: sure you go and you click on Netflix and watch
Speaker 1: all the episodes. It'll be I am very excited. I
Speaker 1: uh started researching this hunt six years ago. Six years
Speaker 1: ago and Steven Jannie one day they were like, so,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we can make this happen, but if
Speaker 1: we could do any hunt you wanted to do, I
Speaker 1: was like, secret Deer in Maryland. They're like what, they're like,
Speaker 1: doll sheep. I'm like, dude, Secret Deer in Maryland's got history.
Speaker 1: There's food, it's cheap, there's public land. It's I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say I'll let you guys break the news and
Speaker 1: the refuge you can go to and do it. I've
Speaker 1: done it many not many times were growing up. I
Speaker 1: travel over there and do it here here and there,
Speaker 1: but it is to be in the roar for the
Speaker 1: secret deer in this momps of southern Maryland on the
Speaker 1: eastern shore. It's pretty freaking unique. You're eating oysters, crab
Speaker 1: cakes and drinking yengling, living the life. So go go,
Speaker 1: my friend, drain the yengling from the shore and enjoying you.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Thank you, thanks much. That's it. That's all,
Speaker 1: Episode number thirty one of the podcast in the books.
Speaker 1: Thank you once again to Mr Ryan Callahan for hanging
Speaker 1: out and listening to some of the things that bothered
Speaker 1: me and asking some of his own questions about what
Speaker 1: we've got going on at meat Eater Incorporated. Right now.
Speaker 1: All that said, again, will reiterate all the hunting collected content.
Speaker 1: It's gonna live on the meat Easier dot com. Go
Speaker 1: to the listen tab to listen to all of these podcasts.
Speaker 1: You can go to my tributer page to read all
Speaker 1: the articles and just poke around and read some stuff
Speaker 1: from Mark Kenyon, Why are to Hunt? April Vokey from
Speaker 1: anchored at dirtke and chef at Ward Garcia, a bunch
Speaker 1: of other folks that are contributed, including of course Steve Rinnella.
Speaker 1: It's been fun to launch this and it's been even
Speaker 1: better to talk to you about it because we've been
Speaker 1: wanting to do that for quite some time. So thanks
Speaker 1: to everybody who uh wrote in and texted and called
Speaker 1: and reacted to our launch uh two weeks ago now
Speaker 1: and our why why we do what we do? And
Speaker 1: so we are in Montana. We are stationed, we are
Speaker 1: in an empty office. We're currently putting furniture in um
Speaker 1: wording to start this journey that is meeting and incorporated
Speaker 1: and hunting collective as a partnership. So that is it.
Speaker 1: Next podcast will be also we lovely Montana, so stay
Speaker 1: tuned with us. We'll be right back at you next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Bye m