WEBVTT - Ep. 31: Ryan Callaghan 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.320 Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number to thirty one of 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.039 The Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien today. I am in 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.879 the Meat Eater offices, Bozeman, Montana. I'm joining with our 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:17.520 friend Ryan Callahan for another appearance on the podcast. Before 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.840 we get started, I would note that, UM, you are 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.520 now going to find all the Hunting Collective content, all 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.120 the podcasts, all the articles, all the things that we 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.000 do here on the meat eater dot com. Uh. That's 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.080 where we'll live for the longer term as we fold 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.960 the Hunting Collective into the network that we've announced last 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.440 week in the company that we're calling Meat Eater Incorporated. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.159 And that's why, UM, one of the better guests we 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.160 could have on to talk through some of that, talk 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.880 through some other awesome topics in that of first lights 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:57.800 pr in Communication Director believe that's his title, Ryan Callahan. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:21.720 So enjoy episode number one. Brian Callahan. I'm doing really well. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.240 How are you doing? I'm doing really well too. We're 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:32.800 here in the Bozeman, Montana. Yeah, beautiful Bosi Angelis Los Angeles. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.880 I as a newbie to the state in the town, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.000 I have to figure out the lingo, the proper you 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.120 know the proper lingo. I told you I was hanging 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.440 out with my grandpa last night, um, and we were 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.240 talking about Bozeman and h He's like, yeah, you know, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.560 I went over there and spent a few days hanging 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:57.280 out with my dad worked for Gallatin County for a 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.200 short time. And uh and he's like yeah. He's like, 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:09.640 I saw five like really nice little sports car convertibles 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:16.000 with these women in them that or like blonde. And 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.880 he could tell that they had like some upgrades. And 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.679 he didn't say upgrades, but you can fill in the 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.880 lank there and and and his takeaway was, you know, 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.720 they were they looked really comfortable being there, as in, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.680 these aren't Montana people, and they're comfortable there, So that 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.120 means that they're living there. And that's like they seem 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.320 to be taken up steak. They doesn't even stake some 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.360 land out for themselves. And he was like, so they're yeah. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.840 He's like, don't don't live in bows. But he's like 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.720 places gone to hill. Well, Listen, hipsters have a manifest 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.280 destiny that is not that goes unchallenged when they want 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.280 to live in your place. They're coming, dude, and there's 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.280 nothing you can do about new age squatters. Yeah, pioneering. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.840 It's really the pioneering of the kimbucha bar because I 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.679 found here. So yes, I mean we are in the 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.239 guts really, I mean I would I would describe it 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.800 as the guts of the New Meat Eater Incorporated office. Uh, 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.520 and yes, Steve Ronell is just well, I don't know 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:23.960 how they're pilfering items. Uh, this is the brand new gut. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.079 Help Yanni's making sticking his tongue out. It's real, it's 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.520 very it's pretty pretty funny. It's pretty entertaining here. But yeah, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.400 this is the guts. I mean we literally just walked 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.000 into it and like pick some tables up and put 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.160 them down, and uh, it's brand brand new. So what 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.520 what are you thinking? Like this sub potential, this this 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.600 office space? Yeah, you know, and I mean it's a 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.840 little built out for my taste. You know, I like 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.400 to tear things down to the studs and go from there. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.800 But that's why I'm asking, because I know you are 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.360 an expert in Yeah. No, it's it's cool. Yeah, you 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:59.560 got like like the metal on um metal and concrete. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.600 That's suff works for me pretty well. Yeah, heart break 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.760 it is but you know, hopefully by now if you're 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.200 listening to this, that you've heard about meeting and incorporated 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.400 as a thing. Um, you know about meat eatther TV 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.840 and Steve Ronella and of course that's why Cal's around, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.400 because he's a meat either guy. In fact, we were 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.400 saying that at lunch of days, like I've heard Steve 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.000 Ronella described as the first leg guy and I've heard 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.640 you described it as a meat eater guy, and of 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.119 course vice versa. I love your show and I always 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.559 I'm always like, well, hey, there's a lot of people 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.520 that work on that show that do a really good 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.040 job and it's hard, and I'm not one of them. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:47.000 So I just show up try to look good. Yeah. Yeah, man, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:53.480 So I need to ask you what everybody asked me, Um, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.360 what is meat Eater inc? Yeah? Yeah, I mean two 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.080 podcasts ago I talked about like why we're doing it, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:05.920 but I don't feel like, uh, what it is is 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.960 answered so much in the why we're doing it? Right, because, um, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.839 you and I share why, like we both you know, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.360 we're both on the board for b h A. We 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.680 both just kind of feel the same way about certain things, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.400 not all things, but certain things that are relatively important 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.240 to our lives, and so the why it was kind 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.040 of been discussed and but the what is very much 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.360 to be determined. I would say, like we all have 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.320 way talking about earlier. I mean, we have these titles, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.279 and they have a building, we have all this space, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.360 but like it doesn't really mean anything because we've done 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.800 relatively nothing, um to this point. But we're gonna be 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.320 a media company, uh, And we're gonna be a media 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.839 company that does a lot of things including Meat Eater 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.200 TV and the Mediator brand and and all that stuff, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.400 including the Hunting Collective and the Hunting Collective brand and 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.039 all the stuff that comes with it currently and hopefully 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.719 as it grows, um. But we're also gonna just be 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.480 something a little bit different. Like I feel personally having 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.960 been in the media world for a while, and you're 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.760 you certainly have pr in your title for First Light 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.320 that there are some holes in the boat when it 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.279 comes to how we produce media for hunting, fishing, conservation, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.680 all of it. UM. Not to say there's not a 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.480 bunch of good stuff happening, but I feel like there 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.480 are some expressed holes in our the tactic that we 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.719 take to talk both to the outside world, but also 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.760 to ourselves, like how UM media is produced for hunters 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.760 and in hunting specifically. So we're gonna be a media 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.200 company that tries to um always start with our ethos 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.039 and our why, but then looks to be innovative and 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.480 do stuff different and create content in ways that's engaging 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.320 that may be not there right now. UM around a 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:57.679 lot of things, but particularly culinary world where Steve comes from, um, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.080 you know, and it's connected to and conservation world, which 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.560 you have a lot to do with it, as as 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:08.360 I do UM in my history of my presence. So um, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.800 it's a hard thing to nail down. This doesn't have 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.880 like a one sentence description, but um at it's at 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.559 its core, it's just a bunch of people that believe 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.200 the same thing. Man decided this was the best thing 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.440 to do with their lives, and you guys are gonna 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:26.160 be producing media. He has a media company, so that 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:33.360 uh is uh TV show or shows? Yeah, hopefully shows. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.120 I would hope. I mean, you know, if if if 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.960 we could have a media company in the very short term, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.240 if our our entire company could be as successful as 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.360 the meat Eater company or you know, the media brand 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.880 has been at this point, we'd be we'd be happy. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.920 In the very longer term, we would like to have 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.960 ten different brands that look like meat Eater, that Metator, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.680 has books that Steve does, it has TV shows, it 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.480 has podcasts as live events. We would like to have 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.559 a myriad of those things across a bunch of different 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.600 platforms and in a bunch of different ways, you know, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.320 different voices, different subject matter, you know, fly fishing, um 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.080 or even looking at foraging. We're looking at of course, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.680 we're looking at you know, pike and walleye and mountain 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.960 hunting and waterfowl hunting and you know, small game whatever 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.320 we can get to. UM. And so yeah, man, we'd 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.520 like to create different types those different types of experiences 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.160 across a bunch of subject matters with a bunch of 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.280 different voices that a lot of folks that have been 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.360 heard from some that haven't. We'll have some folks that 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.640 will sign on and we'll hope to help them discover 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.439 their voice and get people excited about who they are 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.480 that maybe nobody knows about right now. UM. So that's 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.720 also cool, man, you know well as well as I do. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:51.200 It's a pretty um unique position to be in to 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.680 be able to like take someone that you think has 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.400 the power to you know, give people respective and change 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.520 their minds and give them platform, and it's like go 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.280 for it, kick at go do it. So, by the way, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.640 everybody should be paying attention to this. To this person, Yeah, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.959 so that's exciting. But for me, as somebody who cares 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.120 about the hunting industry, this is just a new thing 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.760 that has um has the power to change some things. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:21.600 I think. Yeah. Cool. And and in your perspective, like 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:26.280 what was like the number one change that item that 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.959 that's on your hit list? Yeah, well I think um, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.800 And there's a lot, there's a lot, But I think 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.640 the first one is creating content for the audience only 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.760 you know we I've said this a million times internally here, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.840 but if anyone comes in and starts creating content around 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.720 motivations that are um external to the audience, the folks 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.760 that we're talking to and and that are investing in 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.680 our content, then you're out, Like I will kick you out, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.600 I will walk you out the door. Um. Everybody can 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.600 think of amples, and not only the hunting, hunting, fishing space, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.120 but in just general media where you know, not everybody 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.960 expressly cares about the audience. In fact, most don't UM. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.080 Most care about the audience tuning in so they get 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.360 their numbers, so they make their money. But there's an 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.960 express you know, expressive I care about you being a 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.240 smarter person, being more intelligent. That makes us all better. Hence, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.840 you know, rising side lifts all boats and so as 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.840 somebody who has a journalism degree and wants to change 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.000 the thing, that's the main thing I want to change 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:36.959 UM is that will listen to our audience and and 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.400 and be here for them rather than for advertisers or 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.079 for some UM power that be somewhere else. So I 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.360 certainly have heard some some talk about that we might 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.079 be UM might have a certain motivation, like this company 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.120 might have been formed for a certain reason. And I'll 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.000 tell you it's the reason we've expressly stated is the 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.319 reason why we're doing it's because we care about uh. 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.920 We we think the outdoors are sacred place. You care 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.760 about the natural world. We think it makes us all 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.280 better and we want to have better interactions with it. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.800 And like that's we said that. Steve said it, I've 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.920 said it, We've all said it. We sat in the 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.079 room just like this one and came up with it 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:20.080 like a month ago, and that was a cool like, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.480 that was a cool experience. Yeah, to sit in the 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.920 room with with people I respect and trade a bunch 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.439 of ideas and try to come to us why that 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.920 that's Uh, it was important to us. And I think 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.319 after we made the announcement, it's the first time I've 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:40.240 ever seen in my that we had like positive reaction 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.480 to it. The internet was broken that day. Yeah, the 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.040 assholes forgot to show up. They'll get to it eventually. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:52.120 I mean, let's let's be honest. But yeah, trade offs. Right. So, uh, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.760 you're no longer yet, you're no longer in Texas, um, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.440 and you have been posting up all fore it's hunting pictures. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.480 So what have you been doing? Yeah? I like how 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.600 we reverse interview. I like, yes, I love it. Um. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.360 What I've been doing is building my plan, building this thing, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.280 you know. Um No, I mean when it when you 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.160 know folks that follow people in the hunting interest that 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.520 hunt a lot, it starts to become this. Uh. It's 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.400 kind of the thing you do. Right, you stay home 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.000 for three weeks and you start to think, WHOA al Right, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.079 if I not accomplished anything, I'm not off somewhere else. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.440 Um So I pretty early on and like no Wing, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.280 I was gonna leave where I was and come to Montana, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.360 and knowing that we were gonna be building a company 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.959 that I felt was pretty substantial. And I feel that, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.720 you know, other than Steve and and some other folks, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:49.760 I feel a grand amount of ownership and and responsibility 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.000 and how it goes, and that it goes well, it 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.000 goes right. So I sat down with my wife and 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.959 I said, you know, I think it's probably better that 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.080 as we move and we're building a house here in Montana, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.080 we're doing all these things, we're building a company that 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.120 you know, those things come first. I'm always a hunter 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.679 and always a traveling some bitch. But but in the 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.320 you know, over this a couple of months this fall, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:17.199 it's it's been focused on those things, which as important 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.000 as anything for our future. And but I have a 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.679 clear intention to hunt the West over the next thirty 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.079 years like a madman. So I'm just giving it a break, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.880 giving a little breather. It's uh like a warming shop. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.160 It's like it's just like I don't want I'm just 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.080 you know, I'm not even gonna diep my toe in 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.720 I'll look at it for a while and just determine 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.240 which deep end of the bull I'm diving into. So 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.839 I know that too. And moving out west has always 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.680 been something I thought about, never thought it would happen. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.360 So there's a little bit of a is this real? 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.840 Can I hunt elk over? There? Really just a trick? 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.600 So I know you have a differspect of living in Montana, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.240 are growing up in Montana living in Idaho. But for me, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.840 it's very much like this looking around, like, Okay, I 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.920 gotta take some time to bringthe this in um before 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.160 I just before it's like mine kind of in some 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:15.920 weird way. Oh man. Yeah, the diversity of the state 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:23.400 is is just so wild, so wild. Yeah, And I 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.120 got all like I got all the meat i'd ever need, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.080 Like I got meat. I felt, you know, I shot 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.200 an access to here when you shot access to here together, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.480 and I felt like I brought that home, and I 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:34.960 was like, I love access to here. And I started 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.600 like hammering that ship to the top of my freezer, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.840 like there's no room for it. And we moved here. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.080 I thought, you know, they're okay, I should take some 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.280 time to eat something that's clear it out. Yeah, to 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.320 rotate the freezer. You're killing at a breakneck pace, and 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.200 that's I felt a little bit in like that experience 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.440 for me is a little bit like that's a little 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.320 bit inappropriate if you have all the meat you need 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:02.960 like it should. I I I did not shoot a 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.320 elk with my bow this year, which is the first 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:12.800 time in a long time. And I was like, I 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.640 passed up a bowl the second day of the season, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:25.560 and I I was like, oh man, I can't believe 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.440 I did that, but then passed up another one, passed 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.120 up another one, and um, and that was like a 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.440 huge part of like the calming voice in my head 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.120 was like I was thinking about the freezer at home, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.960 and I'm like, I'm really going to rotate that thing 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.200 this year, Like I'm I'm gonna eat everything in there 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:55.560 and start fresh, um, and I only need an X amount. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.400 And there there's folks that I always give me to 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.040 that that truly wanted um and so that they'll have 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.200 to experiment with some different cuts this year. But yeah, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.440 they're gonna do a lot of top round cooking this year. Yeah, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.840 so you know, um, yeah, it's kind of kind of 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.400 saying I've been out a lot and having fun as 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:22.920 you know. But it's there were highway levels of anxiety. Hi. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:29.200 Hi anxiety if you're really gonna not do that, I 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.040 high lovels anxiety, like looking at the instagrams and seeing 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.880 all the people hunting, because when it becomes like you're 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.840 like we've talked like you're I have this unwillingness to 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.960 do anything that wouldn't forward my hunting life. Like I 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.160 have this like if somebody said, you know what here man, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.560 two million bucks. We're gonna pay you there two million 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.800 bucks a year, and you're gonna come work for the 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.240 New York Times and you're gonna be like the you know, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.440 editor in chief the New York Time. I'll be like, listen, man, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.800 that's a lot of money. But no, it's like no, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.080 because so that it gives me silence, Like it gives 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:08.760 me silace in in an intangible sense that I know 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.360 I'm moving to Montana where my hunting opportunities are going 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.640 to explode, you know, as as just like being able 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.160 to take my young son and take him around locally 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.119 and hunting fish and do those things like That's so 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.600 I have that my mind. But the last couple of 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.879 months watching other people go run around and and it 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.879 gives you some perspective and like when you're in it, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.200 because last year, the year before that, and probably the 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.640 last eight years, I didn't go two weeks at home 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:40.879 during September, October, November, December, and so this time I 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.800 just I just went two and a half months without 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.320 doing much. And so it gives you a little bit 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.400 of perspective of maybe what it seems like when you're 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.359 not you know, when you're just armchairing it. Yeah, so 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.000 I'm sure you could pull it up, but I think 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.199 you know, your average hunter is in the field, not 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.840 even a full we kill. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, we 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.960 always talk about fourteen million or ten million with the 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.800 number that the number is that's an imperfect number anyway, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:13.720 But there there's this projection. We project this like a 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.119 hunter is someone who just fucking hunts all the time. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.120 And so I think there's a lot of something always dies. Yeah, 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.680 something always dies. And that's why I've always appreciated you 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.359 and appreciated Steve and like the connected to that, because 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.840 there's this there's other appreciations that, there's other priorities that 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.400 go along with the hunting um. But you just enjoy 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.560 spending time outside. You don't enjoy, like overly enjoyed or 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.760 fetishize the killing of a giant thing like that'll come, 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.359 but it's not and it's part of the presentation, but 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.119 it's not a Yeah, it's not overly expounded upon, like 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.840 I killed a big thing. Who it's like A killed 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.280 a big thing that happened to be the end of 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.199 the great ten days in the wilderness. Yeah, then I 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.600 ate then I ate it, and then they've just happened 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.360 to be big, you know. Yeah, that's what it was. Man. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.520 I um found a couple of big bowls this year 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:11.920 and chased him. It was it was super fun. And 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.440 like I said that, typically like I hunt a broadside elk, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.160 and that is it. It may have antlers that may 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:24.200 not um, and that's a good that's like a T shirt. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.520 I hunt broadside. That's it, period. Man, give me a 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.399 broadside elk and um, because then I've always felt like, Okay, 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.080 that meat is in the freezer. There's a huge return 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.840 rent elks a big animal, um. And once that's in 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:45.080 the freezer, then it doesn't matter if I miss or 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.439 break a leg, like it's in there. And and but 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.600 then I'm I'm basically free to hunt after that kind 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.199 of sounds weird, but I'm like elk is on the 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.440 grocery list. It gets put in the freezer, and then 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:05.080 when that is done, then I'm actually hunting and and 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.480 purely going out with the main purpose of just hunting. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.880 And what I know, We've talked about it before, but 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.800 you know the trigger poll part ends you're hunting, Yeah, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.040 that's that's when hunting stops. And so typically like, yeah, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:25.800 I don't touch that trigger again. Uh, you know, for 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:32.160 the rest of the year sometimes right, so um, but yeah, man, 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.479 I got a lot of nights in the woods, just 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.359 like a lot of it was Idaho was hot and 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:45.399 clear the whole time and didn't bring a tent until 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.360 I remember I was texting you and You're like, well, 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.040 I'm just gonna hunt. I run out of food and 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.920 I'll be back yes, yeah, yeah man. And it's so 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.399 like I just I feel so relaxed and so comfortable 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:04.240 when I hunt that way, because like I know, I 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.640 have everything I need and it's like I just get 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.360 to go and I get to make there's no decision 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.679 of like, well I gotta find there's not even the 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.639 decision of being like, well, I got to find a 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.000 big enough spot for my tent. It's like, here's an 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.680 elk bed, blow up my airm mattress and pass out 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.159 for the night. Yeah, man, And it's and it's just 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.800 like so simple that it is addictive. So I here's 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.040 a question something I always think about and I've said 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.639 maybe said in the past, like do you change the 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.240 way you think about hunting every year? Oh? You know, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.280 I think I do. Yeah, if I was, if I 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.520 was honest, I do. I do for sure, even this year, 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.840 not having not hunted as much well ship over the 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.200 last two months. I had a plenty in the first 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.520 half of the year, but like having to take us 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.640 some time off anyway, Um, you feel like is there 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.880 moments of reflection or is it just like every year 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.200 you see all a different chapter in the book. Maybe 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.760 I'm gonna, you know, present this chapter differently or you know, yeah, 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:11.480 I mean I think I think it. Uh, well, like yeah, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.480 this year, Um, instead of being like, boy, I gotta 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:22.439 get you know, the last of this animal uh in 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.320 the cooler and get it up and drop it off 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.280 with my dad because he's somebody who always wants at 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:33.200 least half an elk um, so I can make room 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.720 for the elk that I just got um instead of 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.960 or you know, taking it to folks at the office 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:43.480 or whoever, instead of having that mine because I know 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:48.280 I'm going to get an elk. I was like, I'm 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.359 just not going to shoot it now. And I kept 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:56.520 calling him in and messing with him, uh, maybe even 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:01.439 purposely educating some so sobody else who I didn't feel 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.280 h had had quite earned it, like talking to the elk, like, listen, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.480 I know you came all this way in, but we 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.919 had to talk. Yeah, and you know, I I know 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.240 I told you about this, but I called in my 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:23.760 closest ever elk and uh and that never would have 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.320 happened because I would have shot the thing three or 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.679 four different times um before he even came in. But 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:35.480 he literally I didn't know. This was in this area 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.320 where these big balls were hanging out, and I could 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.919 hear this ball raking a tree, and I knew it 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.000 wasn't like the big bulk because when the big bull 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.440 was raking a tree, it literally sounded like a four 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.840 by four getting whacked against a tree, Like it was 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:55.600 like walk. It was all. It was very similar to 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.359 like hearing a moose like whack of tree and sound 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.120 off um, and so I knew it was an apple, 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.639 but I needed to put eyes on it. And so 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.760 I snuck in there and cow called a couple of 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.440 times and just hung out and eventually, you know, raghorn 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.920 bull comes walking over the hill and I'm like, oh, 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.600 that's cool and at an arrow knocked right like I 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:23.120 was ready, um, But then he just kind of kind 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.280 of kept coming and then turned and got on the 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:29.520 same trail that I was on, and he you know, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.639 I was looking for that cow and there's a tree 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.520 across the trail and he's at like seven yards now 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:44.560 and I'm like, okay, well he's gonna stop at the tree, um. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.480 And then he gets up to the tree and as 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:51.040 like the full horse like four footed leap over the 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:55.639 tree and he lands basically like three yards. I'm like, whoa, 0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:01.800 that's wild. And I'm thinking, are you gonna be like 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:05.720 a Yellowstone tourist and like wind up skewered by this 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.000 ball because we don't think about that enough. Man, is 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:14.080 a dangerous situation. It is a dangerous situation. One wrong 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:20.160 move and you're freaking toast. Freak out and go forward 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.480 instead of backwards and a gruesome ass way too. Yeah, 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.800 and I was like, you know, A big part of 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.159 that that led me down this decision path was I 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.840 came up with like this. All I can describe it 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:38.200 as is like this getting older malady. Like I hadn't 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:43.720 been out, hadn't been out hammering, uh what and training? Uh? 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.880 And I hadn't even gotten on my freaking mountain bike 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.000 at all. And I was busting butt on the house 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.160 and trying to get it done and trying to get 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.680 I had it first light enough to feel good about 0:25:54.720 --> 0:26:01.200 being outside and uh. And yeah, we did a monster 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:06.280 hike opening day of the season. Uh, grab my overnight gear. 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:12.080 That night, I went back out another monster hike, and man, 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.440 I was I was pretty crippled on this foot thing. 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.760 And and then I'm like boy. And then you compound 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:23.200 that by getting skewered in the guts by some Raghorn 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.680 bull Like there's no way I'm getting out of here. Um, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:33.080 but this bowl just kept walking and yeah, so part 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.360 of me is like, you better do something, and then 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.800 the other part of me is like the word just 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:43.080 see how close he comes. And yeah, So twenty nine 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:48.000 the bull came in twenty that's close. That is that 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.760 closer to me than you? Yes, we're probably fifty inches apart. 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.440 And I had my arrow on on the string right 0:26:55.440 --> 0:27:03.000 and he came in and sniffed the odd head, and 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.919 you could like I've never been that close to an 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.520 elk obviously, And and he came in and sniffed the 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.280 broad head, and I just remember like staring at his 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.800 forehead being like, boy, this must be a really good 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.560 year for horn growth, because this thing's head is so tiny. 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.000 I bet it's normally a spike on normal year it's 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.760 but it's probably a spike. And and you could just 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:35.119 see like the facial expression of like recognition of like, man, 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.400 I've never seen this before, but it is not right. 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:44.600 And then it somehow peeled around without touching me or 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:51.440 the arrow and stood broadside there's my broadside elk ah 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.440 maybe fifteen yards and just stared at me and then 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.920 and I was waiting for it to bark and blow 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.679 the area up, and then it just kind of like 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:07.719 relaxed completely and then dropped his head and ate and 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.280 walked off. And I'm like, well, I never would have 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:17.439 experienced that, um, And that was a sweet experience, you know, 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.040 it's not Elk meating the freezer. But yeah, but again, 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.520 the only family thing you left off the story was well, 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.920 when I drawback and shot it, Yeah, you know that's 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:32.000 one sentence in a freaking you know, a article. Yes, 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.240 and so that's the beautiful part about that. But yeah, 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:39.920 I mean I found like I started doing it. I 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.960 think like five years ago when I started thinking, all, 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.280 I'm kind of like in the hunting industry as a 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:51.120 professional person, like I'm hunting a lot for my job. Um, 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.840 it's just taken like a day. I'd never or a 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.560 moment whenever it hit me to like think about like, 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.840 holy shit, how am I hunting now that I haven't 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.480 last year, the year before, the year before that five 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:04.880 years ago. When I was a kid, I would have 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.520 never done some of the stuff I do now, or 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.840 thought some of them. I'm sure when you were a kid, 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.120 you would never probably never let an l walk up 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:17.120 to Sniffley Broadhead. No. Yeah, So I always try to 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.760 like think back and recognize those changes and then be 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:26.560 you know, super cognizant of each year how I what 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.959 I do differently? Yeah, man, and just trying to be 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:33.800 honest with yourself, right, Like we worked so hard, and 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:41.880 it was always on the weekend, um, and we worked 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.760 so so hard to get one opportunity. It was like 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.600 if you got one opportunity archery l hunting in the 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.160 state of Montana, whether you let a narrow fly or not, 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.440 that was a successful season for Like, that was like 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.520 a major success. Like the bull was there, had an 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.160 opportunity and I screwed up or I killed it like 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.320 that it was all you could and that was kind 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.440 of a big ask, right, Like that was working really hard, 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.840 um on the weekends, just like everybody else. And now 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.720 I try to work really hard and and if I 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.440 could stay out there for a month, I would stay 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:24.040 out there for a month. And in just yeah, I 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.440 mean the reality is in the opening week of our 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.400 tree season in Idaho, I hunted more than most people will. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.800 Then then the majority of hunters will the entire season. Right, 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.200 we were talking about that that that's a huge thing. 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.120 I think that maybe doesn't you know, there's a lot 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.400 of things about like what we do and who people 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.440 think we are that that it's helpful I think to 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.640 the honey industry. But there's part of that that changes. 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.840 It's changed me to an extent. We were just talking 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.040 about another point about free hunting gear, and I think 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.080 it's it's the amount of days hunting and the free 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.040 hunting ship that I get, you get, and like just 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:04.120 we get as part of our thing here. Yeah, And 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.760 so caution people when they're like, oh man, that's badass, 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:15.800 it's like, well, I am actually a catered to individual 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:21.840 like I have. It's it's silly. I am a spoiled man. 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.720 Oh yeah. I mean when I was moving, I was 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.840 looking at my garage and I was like, come on, 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.040 like no, this is wrong this yeah right, I mean, 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.760 so what's more badass? Right? Like being in this position 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:42.080 where you get the time, like hey, no, you are 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:48.160 going el cunning this week, dedicated week, get out there 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:55.880 um and you at least have at your disposal some 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.960 really solid discounts to get the bass stuff on the marrow, 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:06.320 get to um or you know the guys swinging the 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.719 hammer and dropping his tool belt at five o'clock and 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:12.240 driving all night long and yeah, and going out there 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.840 for all day Saturday because he's got to get back 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.280 for his kid's birthday on Sunday, typething. You know, It's 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.080 like I think there's this there's something that happens, and 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.640 it's a natural these natural things like that. It doesn't 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.600 make me bad or you bad, or anybody who's in 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:30.680 the in in our industry bad um for it. But 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.520 I've spent the last you know, a bunch of podcasts 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.360 previous to this one just talking to you know, not 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.320 even guys. I just did one with a rabbit hunter 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.000 in Maryland who he's just a regular guy, but he 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.920 just he's like, buys his brush pants at Gabella's. But 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.720 he's the best rabbit hunter I've ever met in my 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:50.080 life because his perspectives are so different, because he doesn't 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.360 like he's I just got that one pair of brush pants. 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.040 He doesn't have boxes of prototype stuff test down things 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.200 like that. You know, it's people being like, please test 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.880 these out for us, um And so I think that 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:06.800 just changes, you know, me personally. I don't know if 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.440 anybody cares about my personal thing, but that has changed me. 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:11.720 And I've had to like take a few steps back 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:16.240 from that and be like, appreciate, be appreciative of the 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.960 time you spend outside, and appreciative of the things that 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:24.120 you're wearing and and the privileges you have around that. 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:28.520 Be appreciative of that and then also know that the guy, um, 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.480 there's a little bit more virtue in the guy that 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.920 works five days a week and takes his tool belt off, 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.959 goes on like, yeah, I was that guy, so were 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.960 you for a very long time, and like there's there's 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.280 a little bit more virtue. She just like that teeny 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.520 bit more virtue. Yeah, and and well yeah, and so 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.480 folks in the positions of like you got sponsors that 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.320 are willing to pay and chip your butter around the country, 0:33:55.360 --> 0:34:00.200 and you know, and uh, you know, and I do 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:06.120 feel like the days of this happening aren't quite what 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.240 they used to be. But you know, there was definitely 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.880 a time where, um, the only media out there was 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.640 written media, and there are only a few folks worth reading. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.040 And those folks got shipped around the world and they 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:24.160 were i mean catered to because they needed that article 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.799 and it sure didn't produce. Some of them are kind 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:31.359 of just assholes now because they went through thirty years 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:36.239 of being catered to. Yeah, and man, they they if 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.120 you're going to be in that position, you better recognize, 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:45.560 um that you're you're a pretty spoiled cat, So you 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.120 better better give something back somehow. Somewhere there's a ton 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.360 of people that do that and do it well and 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.120 and understand their position, and but it worked hard to 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.280 get there. So I mean, that's not that you should 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.439 feel bad about that, but that's something I've been thinking 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.480 about it, and we talked about we were just before 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.799 we had recorded talking about like seeing it in other 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.920 people like I've been I've had it for a while, 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.080 You've had it for a while, Like seeing somebody just 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.160 start with a box of gear showing up and just 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:19.360 start to realize I could just have that. Could I 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.920 just that right there? I just take that and then 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.600 nobody would say thing. I just like that person is 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:30.880 now figuring out you know what this is? Yeah, the 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:34.200 benefits of always caution, like you know, nothing in life 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:44.160 is free and there is a cost associated and um, 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.439 you you better recognize that. Yeah, yeah, And I think 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.120 you know, we won't believe at that point because I 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:55.000 like it's I think sometimes these conversations just become two 0:35:55.000 --> 0:36:00.160 people talking and like you think people people really care about. Um, 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.840 here's another So I'm gonna totally flip. There's no segue 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:04.560 at all. I got no segway. But it's something I 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:09.160 was thinking about as we're having lunch today, we were 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:18.240 having a nice long conversation about public land versus private land. Yeah, yeah, um, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.719 in the feeling that as as you know, I feel 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.959 there's some danger. I don't know, if you've never talked 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:24.799 about this, maybe we have a little bit. I feel 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.640 like there is some there. There's always inherent danger with trends, 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:32.520 right and trendiness. Moreover, there is danger was something being cool. 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.680 When it gets to be cool, people start doing it 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:41.680 for inauthentic reasons or talking about it for inauthentic reasons. Um, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:46.719 public lands have kind of started to trend that way, 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.840 or they it's become a trend to talk about. I 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:50.919 feel like a lot of companies are talking about public land, 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:55.160 a lot of individuals talking about public land. I love it. 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.680 I love that all and I would never say don't 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.719 do it. But I there's always a little drawback to that, 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:05.680 which is which is the yeah uh it you may 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:10.680 alienate yes folks, so yeah, you and I know a 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:15.560 few folks that are private landowners or landowners wouldn't want 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:24.160 to say private their landowners and ranchers who feel ah slighted, yes, 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:29.319 because they are. They feel like, as we champion, you know, 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.560 kind of the mystique of public land hunting and the 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.200 effort it takes to go and do it all on 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.799 yourself own, and the idealistic link it has to our 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.840 our nation and what it means to be American, and 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.759 you know, keep HARKing back to the turn of the 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.560 century and these important figures. There's not a similar storyline 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:51.120 for private lands and ranching and habitat therein. And so 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:58.239 there's this perceived undercurrent of of anger or animosity that 0:37:58.280 --> 0:37:59.960 you've seen a little bit. I've seen a little bit 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.279 I think kind of has bubbled up in some ways. Yes, 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:09.600 it's worth addressing. Yeah, And you know, I think the 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:17.880 good argument is, oh, you're a public landowner, what do 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.480 you actually do for the land? I am a rancher. 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.279 I have my property and I am out taking care 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.160 of it to the best of my ability every single day. 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.480 That's what I do. What are you doing with your 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:40.239 public landowner t shirt? I got one on right now. Um, 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:45.839 And that argument I absolutely get And I love people. Yeah, 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.879 like I think everybody who wears that public landowner shirt 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.600 should be challenged. So, yeah, well, what are you doing 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.480 for public land? I think I ain't make it happen, 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.960 because I want that conversation to happen, right and I 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.840 don't I was even talk the Lantana yesterday from b 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.080 H and I don't want it to feel like I'm 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.200 downing the trendiness of public lands. That's what I want, Yes, 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:14.480 I want to to to expound upon that and how 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.640 important it is and continue to beat that drum. And 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.200 I will always continue like to beat that drum because 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.520 because I know what it means and what it means 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.440 to me, So not bagging it, no, but addressing like 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.279 the negative side and that this this, once it has 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.040 comes the trend as it has been, then you can 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.360 start to evaluate the it's effect on our culture and 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.520 our shared ideas, like and it's having an effect I 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.239 think a little bit right now that that conversation that 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:46.680 isn't positive or productive is when somebody feels like they 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:53.040 aren't cool because they're like, well, I'm I am hunting 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.560 on private land and everybody talks about how cool public 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.799 lands are, and I think my private land is pretty cool, 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:05.200 and so I don't like you guys. We've you The 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.160 nomenclature of hunting has changed the way we described what 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:09.759 things we do has changed to the point where it's 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.560 like if someone killed an elk, they're like, man killed 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.200 a good bull. If someone kills a bull in public land, 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.359 they've now killed a public land bull. Like it has 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.040 a modifier in front and it does not go anywhere 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.520 without its public land bull title. No, that's very true 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.839 and very true. And then that is uh, just part 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.560 of like the acceptance of this thing. Ah can be 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.920 a little a little bit tougher, a little bit more, uh, 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.160 you know, pioneering to just go on the land that 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.040 that and figured out and do it yourself like that. 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:46.840 I mean, the we did everything that we could to 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.919 get access to private land in Montana grown up. It's 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:55.600 there's a grass as always greenery element to it, for sure. Um. 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.959 But at the same time, you know, I just didn't 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.239 know it was like, well, I can see across the 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.200 fence and there's a lot of elk out and not 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.200 afou fa field, Like how we get over there? Yeah? 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.080 How do I get over there? Which is probably a 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.160 way better and more virtuous way to look at that 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.560 ship anyway, Like where the elk cars we would like 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.839 to go. I don't give a ship if it's owned 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.160 by us or that guy. Yeah, I'd like to go 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:31.120 over there, and yeah, man. But the thing that makes 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.760 public lands so challenging and frustrating, like I saw more 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.799 archery hunters in the woods this year than I ever 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:42.839 have in my entire life, and spots where I can 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.120 be like, well, I'll never see anybody like, oh my god, 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:51.759 who is this idiot with a giant backpack? Who is 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.960 not me? Which is the issue here? Uh you know 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.680 what I mean. And and that's why the public land 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.680 deal is a challenge because you're out there with every 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:07.800 other public landowner that's in its competition. It makes it tough. Um. 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:13.799 And that's you know, that's that's why that little yeah 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.360 prefect should be on there. Yeah. Yeah, I just noticed 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.560 that lately, like this year, maybe because I was not 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.000 in it and I was looking at it, and I 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.600 was like, there's definitely we've changed the way we described 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.480 hunting because this this animal that died as a as 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.040 a modifier as to where how it died, where it died, 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.239 you know, my public land archery bull um, and the 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:40.439 animal doesn't care the animal. So when I was a kid, 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:44.360 I remember like we had a organic farm that we 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.479 had access to hunt. It was you know, the lady 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.160 said kill every day. You see they jump off the 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.040 fence to eat my eat my crops, and and that's 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.480 how I make my money. And so we would go 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.160 there and we would see tons of deer. I mean, 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.239 this place is full of deer. It's probably wasn't a 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:04.239 big place, maybe five acres something like that. And we 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.320 would go and kill five six seven deer in a 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.160 day and we get all our food this lay. It 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.719 would be happy, it would be great. But then we 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.239 had public land that was probably forty five minutes from 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.839 my front door. That was you know, to me at 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:20.600 the time, mountains, it was a wild place, creek creek crossings, park, 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.319 the truck walk for miles, do your thing. And then 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.399 this private land was very much just like get out 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:27.720 of the truck, walk down the trail, sit on the log, 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.879 shoot the deer. And so without even knowing it as 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.839 a kid, public land to me was this like adventure 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.280 situation and private it is the unknown? Is this the unknown? 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.440 So for me, like I was doing it without even 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.479 realizing like oh this, we were just like we're gonna 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.680 go to Green Ridge day Forest. That's where we're going, 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.600 Like we're just oh man, it's great. You a mountains 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.919 crow across creeks like other people could be there. It's cool. 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.400 It's like mysterious. And then you go to this private 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.520 farming like, well, we walked down the trail and you 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.879 go past the garden about yards, go down the draw 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.000 and then sit on that long there. Yeah, and get 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.120 a deer and get a deer. Yes, And that's how 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:09.719 you refer to it. It's my uncle down the road here. 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:14.759 I mean that was I was like, yeah, this is 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:21.120 grocery shopping, right, and it's great. I mean, and if 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:25.839 you want to talk about like the real the hypocrisy 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:31.200 here is like, you know, he has deer that live 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:36.160 and die on that alfi field and they taste great, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.440 and he can harvest one. And I do think in 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:45.279 this case harvest is the absolute appropriate plucking it out 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:52.840 of the field without really doing anything different in his day. 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.120 He can step out of the tractor, he can shoot 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.279 the deer. He can continue on with the tractor. When 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.879 he gets to where the deer expired, he will then 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.600 throw it. I'm the tractor in the tracker, so it's 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:13.120 a bit of a detour and just continue on. And um, 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:20.839 you know, he has told me many many times. He's like, 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.719 you can have anybody out here as long as they 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:32.719 appreciate it. And he appreciates that land like deep in 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:37.200 his soul, and it exudes from his eyeballs, like he 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.399 man like he takes great, great pride. And and he's 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.920 seen the changes firsthand. He's got his hands dirty every 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:50.000 single day. And he's sixty some years old now and 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:56.280 maybe even older. I don't know, sorry, Jeffrey. And and 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.880 and that is that is a real thing. And folks 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:04.200 like him, Dad, I hope to god they don't feel 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:09.160 slighted so happy about public land. Yeah, and that's what 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.080 we're when, uh, at lunch to day, you and I 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.279 Ronella were talking about, like, don't feel just because we 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.879 say we love public lands doesn't mean we hate private land. 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:20.799 And that that we had a particular person I felt 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.719 that way, you know, that reached out to you and 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:26.000 me and almost like separately, but like in the same threat. 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:31.640 That's like I on private land, and and nobody's celebrating this. 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.240 You know, there's no T shirts for this thing, Like okay, 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:41.879 well there's reasons for that, but moreover, I don't hate 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:45.040 your thing. In fact, I aspire to have a ranch 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:49.799 one day if I could, Uh, I would love to. Yeah, 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:51.880 you're a lucky sucker, and that's why we don't have 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:56.239 to celebrate you. It'd be like it's like the Oscars, 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.759 like celebrating rich, famous people. We don't need to do that. 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.279 If you have access, you don't. You're you've already won, 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.920 like you've won the game at some level. Yeah, at 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.800 some level. And and it's you know, people aren't helping 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:14.359 you celebrate that more than boy, that's a great ball 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:19.560 because they don't get that experience either at the vast majority. 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.480 To go back to the beginning here, like you don't 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.799 get that many days in the woods, and you know, 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:32.919 unless you're really dedicating time to you know, track down 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:37.319 those landowners and make sure that they know that you're 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:41.080 not some knucklehead that's gonna, yeah, shoot a horse instead 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.920 of an elk um, then you're probably not gonna waste 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.920 your one weekend doing that, no, because you only got 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.719 one weekend to go. So um, it strikes me now 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.200 that we're going through this that they that idea that 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.840 you know, I was thinking about homesteading as as you 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:06.719 were talking there, like homesteading is part of the was 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.000 part of the American dream right. It was part of 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.200 like what people wanted to do. It was part of 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.799 benifest testing, going west and stake in your ground. It 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.120 was a big part of it. And that's being used 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.520 by guys like Mike Lee has this draw to draw 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.200 people in and convince them that that, you know, the 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.400 new Homestead Act is what they need to be doing. 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.480 When that we both at this table. No, that's a 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:32.880 veiled attempt two privatize these lands and sell the suckers, 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.560 which is a sad thing. Like I would celebrate homesteading. 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:40.280 I think homesteading is what this country it isn't It 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:44.600 is what this country was built upon. Yeah, And there 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:47.080 was a reaction to that. That was public lands, that 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.120 was national forests. That wasn't that the national parks. It 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:53.160 was a reaction to like, we're out here staking all 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.200 this land up. Let's make sure, let's make sure this 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.960 part is for all of us. M yea. And so 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:03.040 it spins it. You know, the reason that private landowners 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:06.719 are feeling a little slighted or feeling different from the 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:10.200 crowd here as as the crowd grows, public land hunters 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:15.160 and folks that will wear the T shirt. Um it 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.680 opens up like some weird political chasm for for like 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:24.200 us against them. It's like red versus blue, private versus public. 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.000 And that's the nice thing, is it. The public is 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.400 for everybody. Yeah, so there is no one us versus them. Yeah, 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:36.160 it's yeah, you know, if if anything, uh, maybe we've 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.719 reduced the amount of folks stopping by and knocking on 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:40.920 your door on a Sunday. Yeah. One of michaela is 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:47.040 trying to convince people that because public land is elitist. Yeah, 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.719 what he's trying to convince private landers and ranchers and 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:53.560 people that fall on the red side of the coin 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:59.759 that public land is an elitist principle. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:06.760 it Oh, it's just so wrong in so many ways. Yeah. 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.280 I mean there's a lot of people sleep in parks. 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:17.840 Public parks. Doesn't seem real elitist elitists. But yeah, I 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:22.799 think that's all kind of uh spun together in this 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:28.800 weird gumbo of of honey. Yeah it is. And again, 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:37.239 like I so the we were just just did a 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:42.320 wyoming antelot hunt um with the couple of the guys 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:47.880 from Hush and uh the guy as at Weatherby. Weatherby 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.320 is now calling themselves whether whether it be three point 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:54.080 oh internally, probably shouldn't be telling everybody that. But and 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.600 it's cool because Adam Weatherby is is CEO, and he's 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.480 and he's running things, and they're moving to Wyoming. There 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:05.560 the whole the corporate office is in Wyoming already, but 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.759 they're moving the whole manufacturing out of California Wyoming. So 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:17.120 when I did a antelope punt together on private land, um, and, 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:23.839 oh my god, I had an absolute ball, like just 0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:29.799 leisurely passing up antelope for truly no reason other than 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:34.560 the fact that you could could and some other truck 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.040 wasn't gonna top over the ridge and whack that thing right. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.920 And it was. It was great. It was super super fun, 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:49.480 great experience. Um and yeah, and and and that doesn't 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:54.000 make me less of a public landowner or pro one 0:51:54.080 --> 0:52:00.200 thing anti another. Where's incredibility lie? Like what does that even? Like? 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.600 What does that even mean? Somebody asked me, like, what 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.520 kind of you know, how do you get your credibilities 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.920 at hunter? If you're just gonna have private lands because 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.480 there's an animal over there and you're over here and 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.000 you go over and you kill it. Yeah, Like that's 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:14.640 that's a skill I did, so there there's some chunks 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:18.600 of BLM that are landlocked there, and um, I wrote 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:23.839 around with the rancher um the whole time and got 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:28.719 a ton of bullshitting and which I just loved with 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.200 an old ranchers, Like, yeah, that's kind of bullshit. There 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.000 is awesome, awesome, you know, rattling around in the truck 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:39.520 and and uh you know, I'm just like, just like 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.000 I was when I was like twelve, riding around with 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.879 an old rancher, I was like a question every thirty seconds. Yeah, 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.399 I'm like, enough about me? What about and that tree 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:52.480 right there? And he's like what about He's like, what 0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:54.400 are you looking for? What do you I'm like, I 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.719 just want to see more more of the ranch. I 0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:00.920 just want to keep doing what we're doing. Uh Um. 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.120 He's like, well, you know, he's like, you know, this 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.319 is kind of like the average antelope and some of 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.919 them will get a little bit bigger. But then I'm like, dude, 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:11.480 I do not care. I'm like, I just like this, 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.920 what we're doing right now is what I'm after. This 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:19.200 is awesome and we had a great time, and um, 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:23.480 there are some chunks of BLM there that are completely 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:27.239 land locked, so public land inaccessible public land, which is 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:31.200 something I just drives me crazy. And but you know, 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:33.360 talking with this rancher about it, he's like, you know, 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.920 I've tried to do some land swaps with the state 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.840 because he's like, these things are honestly kind of a 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:48.000 pain in my butt. And um, he's like, I tried 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.040 to do this like three or four times and swap 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:57.000 out sections that are yeah public. He's like, you know, 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.799 and and and swap this stuff out so I don't 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:04.880 have the public landing inside the perimeters of the of 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.640 the other ranch. And and so that was an interesting 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.239 conversation on one of the weather be guys is like, well, 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:13.440 you know, you you probably want to shoot your antelope 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:18.240 over there on that chunk of BLM. So since it's public, 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.680 ain't that like what we're talking about, though, That's exactly 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.080 what it is. You're probably gonna want for credibility sake. 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.520 You want to go over there, right, because that's your thing, right, 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:35.759 even no that public land is basically private and keep 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.600 up appearances. And I was just so excited to just 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:45.640 be able to get Bones home, which I never do 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:47.880 because typically have to leave him on the mountain to 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:53.200 save some weight and make stock. I was like, dude, 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:57.359 I'm already on hog having and yeah, what I care 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.919 about in this particular situation is getting not a pile 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.760 of bones so I can make stock at home. And 0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:06.680 I haven't eating an antelope and a long time, and 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.200 I'm pumped about that. And I don't care if it's 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:15.000 a six inch buck or a sixteen inch buck um, 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:21.040 And I certainly don't care where it's standing, don't care 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:22.799 where it staying. I'm just trying to for some reason lately, 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:24.600 I'm trying to think about a lot of T shirt ideas. 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.120 We're start selling t shirts on the podcast. We're not 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.239 on the podcast, but about it. I think that might 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.840 be good. Nice one. I don't care where it's staying. 0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:38.160 I don't care where you're staying. You don't care A 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.239 shot that six and a half by three hundred. Oh yeah, 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.880 that's a straight cheetn sun up a bit in it. 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:47.320 It's pretty cool. The casing on that thing is enormous. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.640 Ye I it was for three years ago. Now, I 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.799 think I was one of the first guys to get 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.960 it in like travel abroad with it, are doing anything crazy? 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.880 We went to New Zealand, and I missed, uh foul 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.560 dere like three six yards. We were about forty year 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.200 angle above this foulon deer, and I'm like, well, imnuna 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.840 have to hold high. You know I had shot you know, 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.160 I was living in Texas then, so I'm like, there 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.879 was no ranges past a hundred yards, so I only 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.279 shot at a hundred yards with this rifle. We go 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.399 over there, we shooter guns in. I'm doing good out 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:20.040 the two hundred we got this go to at this 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.279 foulon dere like three sixteen yards. I'm like, well, I'm 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:24.880 gonna have to hold high because we're gonna have you know, 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:28.120 we got we got an angle, steep angle here. And 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:32.000 I shot over these things back and then I remember Adam, 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:34.080 whether Be or someone at weather Be saying this thing 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:38.640 is flat to three hundred yards, and I thought, you're 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.040 a dummy. Just hold on. So this foulder kers running 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.400 up this draw and I just crack another round in 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.440 there and just put right on the shoulder and drop 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:50.000 him at probably three or fifty yards. And that's when 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:53.440 I realized, oh, you know, Adam is a pretty impressive character. 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:58.880 Oh my gosh, he's like he knows their loads. Obviously, 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:03.000 and he knows they're guns, but he for everybody shot. 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.879 Um was like, yeah, you got about ten wind here, 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.479 and that's coming out of the barrel at about feet 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:14.680 per second, so you're gonna want to hold about an 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:19.280 inch and a half to the right. You're like, what awesome? 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.160 Can you come with me on all my house? Like 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:26.560 this is awesome? Yes, he comes from a long line 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:29.360 of impressive dudes. I can only imagine. You know, I've 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:32.800 met his father and never did meet Royal Weatherby, but 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.720 weather Be's this as impressive of a fella. That's cool. 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:39.760 I do have to tell everybody that Ben and I 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:43.280 are sitting here on our butts doing this podcast. I 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:47.920 got my back to the window and uh watching uh 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:54.840 Steven Ronnella Carrie physically move things into the office. He's 0:57:54.840 --> 0:58:00.960 moving like tables, table boxes. I thought he was yeah y'all. Yeah, 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:05.520 he's giving Yanni a piggyback ride. He loves that little fellow, 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:09.280 he really likes. Yeah, I have my back to the windows. 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.400 I haven't been seeing like, I am aware that people 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:14.360 are bringing things in, but they must think that we're 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:17.880 this is work though, right, Yeah, this is work. Got 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:23.280 Steve walking backwards with the meat eater uh ceo uh 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.160 carrying a table up up some stairs. Yeah, I mean 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:30.320 this is a team, team effort. We're all for one, 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.200 one for all around here. Unless your podcast, somebody gets 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.440 out to carry this ship. I mean I will eventually 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:39.680 carry some stuff, I think, but I don't at this point. 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:44.720 I don't think. I don't want to hurt myself or anything. Yeah, 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:48.000 I know, it's not like that Brunella walking around in 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:51.240 the background sweating it out while we're hamming it up about. 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:55.120 It's good for the biggest issues. Um. I like having 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.480 you on, you know why because uh one of the 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.680 reasons why. One of the many reasons is because of 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.920 the Sometimes I get bothered about stuff and I'm not 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.680 sure how to bring it up on the podcast. Like 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.280 I get bothered about like I was bothered about the 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.200 public private land thing. It's just bothering about it, and 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.640 it is bothering bothers you. You should should feel right 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.880 to be bothered, because yeah, man, I like, I know 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:23.800 so many awesome landowners and laugh a lot in my 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:28.840 family and they kick ass and they should be celebrated 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.480 for that. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, it's just it's 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.800 hard to celebrate something that a lot of people aren't 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:35.920 gonna be able to touch. I think you and I 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:37.840 will start a series of podcast where it's just like 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.920 it'll be called I'm bothered by I like it, and 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:42.400 then it just we'll just talk about this ship that 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:47.360 bothers us. Currently you're grants, my gears, you guys my gears. Um, 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.760 here's the one thing, the other thing that bothers me. Um. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.760 I don't even know how to really articulate them. And 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.600 that's why I haven't brought it up to anybody yet. 0:59:54.640 --> 1:00:00.360 But guiding or the outfitting outfitting guiding is it's a 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:05.840 subset about things you've been a guide. Um, So as 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:08.840 I look at like as I think about my own 1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:12.600 hunting and why I'm doing the thing, and and I 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.800 just read about hunting all the time, and I look 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.640 at on on social media, and I talked to hunters. 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:18.280 I moved to Bosman to be around him and be, 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:20.919 you know, be a part of this thing. And and 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:25.080 it strikes me that, um, there's a lot of examples 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:30.440 of this that outfitting can't help. But be all about 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:36.720 the anilers. You can't fucking help it, um, almost just 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:39.320 because of the way it's set up the way it's 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:44.040 done traditionally. Outfiteling can't help but slide that book of 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:48.960 photos across the table, or have its main page on 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:51.640 the website of the outfit or be a bunch of 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:54.960 dead giant animals. Has to entice the people to come 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:56.760 and see the giant animals and kill the giant animals 1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:02.040 that they've got, And so that's just bothered. That's something 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.880 that's bothered me. And I've hunted with outfitters and guides 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:07.800 my whole life, and I've never met I'm very I've 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:09.280 had one or two that I can think that I 1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:11.240 would never go back with again, that it was a 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:15.479 bad experience. They were helpful in my experiencing a place 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:18.880 that I didn't know anything about, or learning things, or 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:21.480 learning tactics or learning and whatever. I mean. They're helpful 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:25.280 in my hunting experience, not harmful. But like the optics 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:28.920 of the outfitting game. You've been to s CI you've 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:31.400 been to Harrisburg, You've been to all these places I've 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:34.320 been to. Like the optics of it is the sales 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:38.160 that you know, making it a commodity, and then the 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:42.400 selling of the opportunity at a big animal like my 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:44.640 dad's doing it currently, is going with outfit in Montana 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:48.440 next month, and he was instead of talking about the country, 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:52.160 the place, the people he might meet, he was talking 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:56.520 about the size of the antlers that the outfitter was 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:58.200 showing him. That's not my dad, but it's like the 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.840 outfitter was like, come hunted Montana, check it out. Yep, 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.320 you know that very well. Yeah, So that's been bothering me. 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:09.640 What do you think about that? You know, I think 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:14.840 everybody likes wants to get something big. You know, it's 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:21.000 it's because they're not around every tree right. Um And 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:23.480 but isn't that like one I guess maybe one of 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:27.000 the things that bothers me is that that's like an 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:29.960 artificial like if you go out on public or private 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:32.000 lane and do all the work and get the big thing, 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:39.240 that's what hunting is. This is like so I've always said, like, so, yeah, 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:44.040 they're the marketing sales part. Yeah, big animals man, for 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:49.520 for sure. There's uh um and uh adam field to 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:56.920 table hunts in Colorado. Um And and he does do 1:02:57.120 --> 1:03:00.440 something like no, these are cow hunts, and and I'm 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:02.520 gonna add show you have to cut it, cut it 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:05.320 up and you're gonna have cut wrap meat going home, 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:09.800 and and that's super awesome. Obviously it's a much different 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:16.880 customer then. Yes, then you know that there's the like 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:20.480 the sub sub category, the one percent of the hunting company, 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:24.800 hunting world that's like, yeah, can you give that meat 1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:28.320 away to somebody like or they don't even inquire to 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:31.280 it at all. Right, it's like, give me my picture, 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.080 make sure this gets the tax during must and I'm 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.680 on the I'm back on the plane. Can I take that. 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.080 I'm a little a little bit deeper at one level, deeper, 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:42.120 like there's that one percent to be give ship two 1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:45.960 ships about the meat, but there's another like deeper subset 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:51.640 that cares about the meat a little bit yep, enough 1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:54.600 to like eat some backstrapping camp and maybe if if 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:59.160 it's not inconvenient, takes some home. Um. I've seen a 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:02.320 lot of examples of that kind of activity, like yeah, 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:05.919 you know, taking some backstraps on and leaving the rest 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:08.680 of the animal, uh and saying why I love the meat. 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:14.600 You left most of the meat. And that's real expensive 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:16.920 to get on the plane and you're like, wait a minute, 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:21.080 what he six thousand dollar hunt? Yeah, I've seen that 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:23.880 a lot in Canada, particularly because that's how hard it 1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:26.200 is to get the entire moves back to the States. 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:31.320 People like, I'll just take the big cuts that I like, Yeah, look, 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:33.480 that's not wrong, but I just, like I said, it's 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.400 like there's just some bothersome like threads of that that 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:39.520 I think, so the greater public to the non on 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:43.480 the public don't look so good. Yeah yeah, and there 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:49.160 are some realities and truth to that in the hunting space. Yeah. Um, 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:53.680 but I have always said, like a really good guy, 1:04:54.000 --> 1:05:00.880 really good outfitter, they are going to may you feel 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:05.760 as if you you did it like you like you 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.520 came over that religion, you spotted the animal and you 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:16.160 got yourself like and they're they're facilitating rights. Yeah yeah um, 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:20.400 but if you don't have that sense of accomplishment, then 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:25.040 they did a bad job, dead animal or not right. Yeah, 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:30.400 because there's nobody that there's folks that can trick themselves 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:34.960 into thinking something different. But if it's like, well, you know, 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:38.680 all I did it really was pulled the trigger. That's 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:42.640 not in my mind. You didn't. Yeah, you turned in 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:45.200 b work as a guy not at work, And that's 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:47.480 what I would make that point again, isn't that I 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:49.400 say it bothers me? I think you made the great 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:52.320 same as like the marketing. Is that what bothers me? 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.840 Most of my guided hunts, I've always come off a 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:59.920 better hunter, with a great experience and felt like fulfill 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:04.840 by the thing. Yeah, and ideally, like that guide out 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:08.640 there that you're spending time with your like you know, 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:11.800 I want to spend time with him again. Yeah, I 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:13.800 have a lot of that going on. In fact, you know, 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:15.280 I just got a text from a guy named Mike 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:18.800 Hawkard's that the first moosehn I ever did with Rogan 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:23.440 up in British Columbia, Like that dude remained a friend. Yeah, 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:26.840 Like you know, it wasn't like the most hardcore moose 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:28.640 hunt ever, but it was a great time and I'm 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:31.520 glad that I did it. Um So I think, Yeah, 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:34.160 I think that it's more of my biggest issue with 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.240 always thinking about the messaging around what we do. Is 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:40.200 this the marketing of like the intrinsic person to person 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:44.840 marketing of of outfitters? How it shows up online, how 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:48.400 it shows up at trade shows? How that like and 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:53.400 and I've seen and you've likely seen documentaries and vice. 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:59.480 Ah episodes and different like non hunting coverage of hunting 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:01.240 that go was to the trade show and makes it 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:04.960 look like a circus. It goes to sci and shows 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.440 you know, the dude walking up and asking about the 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:11.480 lion and seeing the flipbook of dead animals like it, 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:14.960 and they play like yachte sacks while first looking around 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.680 in the trade show because there's somebody on the outside. 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:21.480 That ship looks really weird. It does it looks you know, 1:07:21.520 --> 1:07:25.920 it looks very yah. You know, it looks like trophy 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:31.040 on it. Yep. Yeah. And you know I was when 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:34.960 I was speaking to my class yesterday at the university, 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:39.000 we need to discuss that part Cale's a guest you said, 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:45.840 guest lecturer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, which was awesome 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.919 because the University of Montana and I didn't exactly leave 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:52.840 on great terms, didn't didn't part way is on a 1:07:52.880 --> 1:08:05.360 great term. Um, but the they were studying, um like 1:08:05.440 --> 1:08:09.040 that that what guiding was, what outfitting was. And but 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:12.160 of course, like they start in the nineteenth century right 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:19.479 where the real deal trophy hunting was taking place. Um, 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:22.040 where he had like your caravan of taxid room us 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:26.840 and you know, and and a lot of tweed going on. 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:33.760 Oh man, And uh, you know, I get to go 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:36.040 a lot of places and chat with a lot of 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:41.040 folks as as you do. Um, the amount of hunters 1:08:41.080 --> 1:08:44.519 that I run into that I would consider trophy hunters 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:51.480 like that definition of trophy hunters is so so small. Um. 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:55.320 And again like it's that one percent of the hunting population. 1:08:56.000 --> 1:09:00.519 And unfortunately, like hunting that we talked about him all 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:04.880 the time ourselves. Yeah, and the media certainly focuses on there. 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:10.400 And and you know, the more the medias refers to 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:15.519 Donald Trump Jr. As your average hunter, the more because 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:17.960 that just yeah, he may be your average hunter, but 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:20.719 there's plenty of examples of him doing non average things 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:24.919 in the hunting space. Like it is it that's a challenge, 1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:28.200 and I think that's probably why I'm I know for 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:32.240 a fact having experienced it. It's not trophy hunting. Like 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:35.200 you don't go to the hair the Great American Outdoor 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:37.320 Show and the Harrisburg and there's a bunch of trophy 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:41.559 hunters there. That's not the case. Um. But I think 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:44.360 a conversation we could have better that I've seen at 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:47.160 that show is like a wyoming mel deear outfit or 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:50.920 sitting at his booth at Harrisburg with his giant his 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:54.519 heads everywhere and his pictures of all the antlers, and 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.080 then to get the non trophy hunting regular guy that 1:09:57.120 --> 1:09:59.519 has just extra five grand that wants to go out west, 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:03.320 is all of a sudden like walking around looking for 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:06.920 the guy with the biggest heads. Yeah, yeah, and I don't. 1:10:07.040 --> 1:10:10.760 I don't blame either party and I don't and I 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:12.800 know what they're doing, and I know it's not that 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:15.400 I know it's not what you're talking about, but I 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:17.960 think the optics of it are such, the optics of 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:20.639 it are such, could be improved a little bit. That's 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:23.960 what I've been bothered by. There's I don't have anything 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:28.639 that really comes to mind, because you know that average 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:33.120 Joe just just like anybody, for any situation. You're like, yep, 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:39.080 I'm gonna go out west, and you're a skier and 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:47.240 you're looking at resorts and one has of powder every 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:50.000 year and the other one has eight inches of powder 1:10:50.040 --> 1:10:55.519 every year. You're like, well, probably to go for more snow, 1:10:55.640 --> 1:11:00.920 not less in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think that, 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:04.960 but that even goes back to it, just the focusing 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:12.040 just the animal, right, like Yeah, what they really want 1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:15.559 is a kick ass all around experience. Yes, that's what 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:18.200 they really want, That's what they really desire. And if 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:20.280 how do we how do how do we give that 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:24.000 to them? Without saying the big deer is the end? 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:26.679 You know, the big there's always the end result, always always, 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:28.760 and I support that. I'm with you. I want them 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:32.960 all too. I desire when I see a big deal there, 1:11:33.000 --> 1:11:35.599 I lust after that motherfucker like I would marry it, 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:38.479 like if it would would like to spend time with me. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:45.040 What are you thinking about? Bend? So I get it. 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:47.240 I'm not I'm not saying I don't get that, but 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:49.200 like like I said, I mean, I think if if 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:53.519 I took my non hunting brother to hunting trade show 1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:56.639 and he stood and watch that interaction, he would not 1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:01.599 get the reality of the situation. Yes, in my opinion, 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:04.719 I think so. I think that part of our industry 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:08.200 could use a little you know, just more of a 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:10.760 more of a conversation about that one thing it is. 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:14.000 And if you sit in on those conversations with those outfitters, 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:20.120 the first thirty seconds they're like, yeah, this is a 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:25.679 great example of it here. Yes, and you may may 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:29.360 have an opportunity at a buck like that if you 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:35.439 come out with me. But they're not behind every tree, right, 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.759 these are these are prime examples. Right we are putting 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:41.679 the best tomatoes in the front of the display. Yes, 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:44.000 like that's that's how and you most won't do that. 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.240 And a lot of the conversations is to sit down 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:50.400 like what's the tent camp, Like what's the food? Like, yeah, 1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:53.960 how long you been doing this? Like you got a family. 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:59.240 That's how people have the conversation, you know most of 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:04.639 the time, uh, but it's uh but face value, it's like, well, 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:08.800 all these folks are just looking to kill big ship. 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:11.640 And that's if you walk down the aisles and you 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.800 didn't like listen into those conversations, you'd be like, this 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:19.280 is a this is a and learn horn market. Yes, yep, absolutely, 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:26.280 And again like that trophy part of the conversation is 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:31.000 such a small part of the conversation. When you're actually 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.320 booking a hunt with an outfitter and they get through 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:36.599 it as fast as possible, they're like, yeah, those animals 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:40.920 do exist. Obviously, they're mounted and stuffed and right in 1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:43.880 front of your face. They do exist. That's a great 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:50.920 example of a thing. Yeah, like, but there are no guarantees. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:51.000 --> 1:13:53.360 so that's the Yeah, that's the one thing is i'd say, like, 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:59.719 as our segment concludes what bothers me today, I recently 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:02.120 have been bothered by that and I just wanted to 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:07.000 tell you nothing will come of it other than that 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:12.840 it was something I was thinking about around my um, 1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:17.240 around my dad's hunt, and like, how is presented to him? Um? 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:19.760 All right? We uh, I don't normally do this. I 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:21.000 might have done it one at a time, but we 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:25.640 asked for questions for you and for me from I 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:31.040 got some and they're pretty good, pretty good. This one 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:38.160 is from Meat Eating Canadian. Are there any specific bones 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:40.880 from large game that we can use for stock slash 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:44.479 broth if we find out our animal has c w D? 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:49.960 Or should they be left alone all together to c 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:54.719 w D being chronic wasting disease? Of course? Yeah? Yeah, 1:14:54.760 --> 1:15:00.040 I think if you are really following the whole in 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:07.280 total guidelines, you want to discard those bones, um, whatever 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:11.720 they may be, but certainly the spinal column and the 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:17.960 head um ian the same place that you got that deer, 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:21.960 So don't travel around with them and unfortunately, don't make 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:25.599 stock with them. Yeah, yeah, I think that's you've heard 1:15:25.640 --> 1:15:28.360 you You hear all kinds of reactions to it, right, 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:31.240 But that's a pretty specific example. There's CWD hanging around, 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:33.439 and I have a deer that's tested positive for it. 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:37.200 Really no, I don't want him to say I have 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:40.880 will actually say. I say they, Um, Green Ridge State 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:43.720 Forest that I hunting and growing up, there was c 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:47.840 w D in that county. Um, a big outbreak CTD 1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:49.880 and they cut the deer tags down for for some 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:53.960 years around that. Um that's my only experience, but we 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:56.280 kind of just squid hunting up there, Yeah, for a 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:58.320 couple of years. Of course I moved away at some 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:00.120 point during that, but it was less of a thing 1:16:01.040 --> 1:16:03.240 because of it. So that's I think. Now it's like, 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:05.240 we know cwts a thing, we know it's around. What's 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:08.800 the what's the appropriate reaction for hunters? Yeah, and I 1:16:09.280 --> 1:16:13.759 do think that's it now. I know I believe that 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:18.160 like Department of Natural Resources says, you know, just don't 1:16:18.439 --> 1:16:22.920 deal with the spinal column or or the brain or 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:29.519 anything with spinal fluid um. But if you read some 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.519 other sources, they tell you to leave all the bones 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:39.200 in place. So I would just say, until we get 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:46.120 a handle on this, we just you gotta Unfortunately it sucks, 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:50.280 but you gotta skip making stock on on that creator. 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:53.959 You got to. Yeah, but it's not worth it. It's 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:58.000 not worth it. Here's I got some pretty funny ones, 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:01.680 but nobody would understand a lot of these questions. We 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:09.719 have a whatever Trevor has asking is Montana better than Texas? Uh? Boy, 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:13.519 you lived in the state of Texas. You've been there though. 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:16.880 Oh yeah, man, in Texan pride is not to be 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:21.080 messed with. They you put it on shirts, don't mess 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:23.960 with Texas. So I'm not gonna mess with it. I'm 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:27.000 not gonna answer that question. No, man. I mean it 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:31.559 depends on what you're into. Like barbecue, you like shorts 1:17:31.560 --> 1:17:35.360 and flip flops, Texas baby, Texas hospitality is a real 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:39.040 fantastic As a father of a young child, do you 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:44.160 like breweries with playgrounds? Absolutely? I love that And there's 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:47.480 copies some aunts of that going on in Texas. Um 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:50.640 that seems to be similar here in Montana right now. 1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:53.080 It's very cold outside of Montana. It's very warm outside 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:56.400 in Texas. Yeah, I mean, variety is the spice lay France. 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:00.960 A lot of opportunity us in Texas that you don't 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:03.679 have Montana. You've got a lot of opportunities in Montana 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:08.040 that you don't have in Texas. Um, you know, try 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:13.800 it all. What about spices, the variety of life as 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:18.080 a t shirt idea, spice is the variety of life. 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:20.800 It's deep, it's not funny. We'll we're gonna, We're not 1:18:20.840 --> 1:18:27.679 gonna don we never will cut that b shook. Five. 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:39.040 Let's talk tongues. Best tongue recipe. Yeah, So the simple 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.400 deal with with tongue is it is a tough muscle. 1:18:43.520 --> 1:18:47.479 So pressure cooker or boil it. Um, and then you 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:49.960 can pull the hide of the tongue off and the 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:52.439 meat on the inside is really tender and great. And 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:56.400 that's a delicate process pulling that hide off the huh 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:59.240 it can be if you get the timing right, like 1:18:59.400 --> 1:19:03.759 you cook it long enough, then that meat separates almost 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:06.599 on I've screwed that up in the past. Yeah, And 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:09.760 on a deer tongue, if you're leaving a lot of 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:12.800 meat on that high, then you're not left with a 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:16.479 lot of meat in real short fashion. So um, and 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:18.640 then from there, man, you can do anything you want 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:22.479 with that make tacos out of it. Do whatever. I 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:25.760 saw tad um when when I collect a lot of them, 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:30.839 I saw tam and um green, all of those pimentos, garlic, 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:35.840 a little bit of red wine, um and uh, and 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:37.960 I throw some morels in there and then I serve 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:42.280 it all on top of polenta and it's real one 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:49.000 of my favorite. I love polenta. I fucking love Morrel's 1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:52.800 Yes puttle. I was talking in there, and I'm happy 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:56.439 Camper coming over. Ye, I live way closer to you know, coming, Yeah, 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:58.479 going over. Let's see if we find one more real 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.479 good one. I got a lot of specifical it's about 1:20:00.840 --> 1:20:05.240 they're making me laugh, but nothing. Everybody wants to know, 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:08.400 like your favorite thing to cook, man, I think your 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:12.880 favorite your favorite cut the it's that's just a yeah. 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:17.439 It's a tough question because I just really enjoy cooking, 1:20:17.640 --> 1:20:19.600 and it's super fun to try a new stuff, and 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:22.559 you gotta make sure that you're just like constantly kicking 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:26.400 your butt out of that rrupt and all open a 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:31.240 cookbook and try something else out to really force myself 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:35.000 to do something different, because it's just so easy to 1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:38.000 cook the same thing. Yeah, I have a problem with 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.679 that I have a similar thing. I have a major problem. 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:42.680 That's the freezer problem that I've had. I've had so 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:46.679 much like straps and loins and yes, so Kimi Werner, 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:51.040 love her, love her. Yeah, I look her up. You 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:53.519 don't know who she is. You better get to it. Yeah, 1:20:53.560 --> 1:21:01.680 and incredible boys for food and harvesting critters. Um and uh. 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:05.559 You know, she came over and I gave her a 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:10.880 whole meal to your loin to play with and um 1:21:10.880 --> 1:21:17.200 she cut it up, pounded it thin and and lightly 1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:20.880 fried it. And I was just like, oh my god, 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:24.479 you just ruined my far backstrap of those things. But 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:28.120 I'm probably being polite because you're my house guest. And 1:21:28.280 --> 1:21:32.120 she could tell. She was like, She's like, yeah, are 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:38.040 you get And so she's like, listen, I you know, 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:40.320 I know food is important to you. It's super important 1:21:40.360 --> 1:21:44.479 to me. I feel like I disrespected your animal and 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:48.679 we had this big heart to heart um and and 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.160 you know, the reality is I'm just an asshole. And 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:55.280 I was like, no, that was absolutely phenomenal food. I 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:58.680 ate it. I ate all the leftovers yesterday and they 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:02.360 were even better than the first night. And I have 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:07.040 a surplus of meat. Oh yeah, and I should never 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:11.080 think that this has to be cooked this way, and 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:15.080 it was. It was great and just me being set 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.880 my way as oh we've got yeah, and there's this 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.360 podcast as that. There's the thing with my wife where 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:23.960 I'm always just mean to her about cooking and wild 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:28.120 game and I don't want to be awesome person, way 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:31.280 better than me almost everything, but I get so pent 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:34.840 up about like her cooking the game and maybe it 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:38.200 might not be the best it could be. This is 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:42.519 how you do this. I turned into a complete idiot. Yes, 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:47.240 it comes to that. But I had this antelope loin 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:52.920 and I smashed it flat, um, you know, cut it 1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:56.640 into steaks, like good inch and a half inch steaks, 1:22:56.840 --> 1:23:02.839 smashed it down into probably quarter inch steaks, and put 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:08.519 a little bit uh. Here's a uh immigrated Texican Jess Priles. 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:16.040 She does some cool stuff, cool hardcore hardcover carm and 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:19.080 she came out with the game seasoning and I put 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:20.160 a little bit of that on there, and then I 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:22.120 put a little Italian bread crumbs on there and just 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:25.040 smashed at him and just a little bit like more 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:31.439 like seasoning than a breading crust, butter olive oil, big 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:35.559 chunks of garlic, got that going until the garlic started 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:38.679 brown up, pulled the garlic out, slit the antelope in there, 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.200 got it of the way, he cooked still on the 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:46.600 ross side, pulled it back out through the garlic in 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:53.599 their shallots. Uh bunch morales. Uh. They soaked all that 1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:57.120 butter and olive oil up and cooked and then put 1:23:57.160 --> 1:24:01.000 the meat back in and had I feel like that 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:03.280 should be called scalapini, but I don't want know, so 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:05.960 you know, if that sounds like, that sounds right. It 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:12.040 was absolutely phenomenal, and I would have just been eating 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:17.840 you know, beautiful medium rare barbecued anaelopline if I hadn't 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:19.920 been like, oh, I gotta try something different. So what 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:24.599 you're telling people is expand, expand. It's very important to expand, 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:28.280 try a new things and screw it up and try again. 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.120 It is and you're gonna mow through that freezer so 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:33.759 much faster if you're excited that, yeah, trying new stuff, 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:37.920 you know. Yeah, And there's there's uh that's the way 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:41.280 even for me processing game, like do you have muscle groups? 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:45.880 You have? It seems pretty straightforward, but sometimes there's little 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:47.799 things you can do to make it quicker. Make it easier. 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:51.080 And those are the things that you remember and you 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:53.639 can can pass on to other people. Same with cooking, 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.439 but you gotta try it first. Yeah. Maybe one time 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:58.960 they screw up the shank as you're as you're chopping 1:24:59.000 --> 1:25:02.560 it off, But next time you're gonna know, Yeah, exactly 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:07.720 all you learn. Um a lot of mustache queries. How 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:12.800 many mustache push ups can you do? Uh? Huh? Mustachts? 1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:14.920 You know, like, what are some good tips for a 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:20.160 nice mustache? Um? Do you have any uh final thoughts 1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:25.439 around mustaches? Particularly? It bought a thing of mustache wax 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:31.800 uh many years ago in uh, you know, the West 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:37.040 Coast epicenter of hipster dump, seattle and facial hair. Um, 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:41.320 and uh, I still have that tin of mustache wax. 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:45.639 So occasionally, like particularly in the winter months and hair 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:50.320 growth is really really moving, I'll wax it up just 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:52.800 a little bit. Keep keep my mustache out of my food. 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:56.519 But that's that's about all. Have you ever been chewing 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:58.680 on a piece of food and thought, well, there's a 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.160 hair in it and realize that you were only chewing 1:26:01.240 --> 1:26:05.639 on your own facial hair and that's gross still attached 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:09.600 to your face? Ye find out to be a problem. 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:15.559 Who put this hair? This's gross? Um, all right, I 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:17.920 think that's it. I don't I don't see off look again. 1:26:17.960 --> 1:26:22.400 But thank you. We got seventy eight people commenting ah 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:24.840 and asking questions. So thank you for all of those 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:28.479 folks who did that. I don't really ever do that, 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:32.240 but that's pretty cool. Everybody wrote in thank you for that. 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:34.000 What's next for you? Man? What are you doing now? 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:42.240 Granny's ninetieth birthday? Whoa yep uh Grahama Merryan Walton is 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:47.439 happy birthday. Yeah, tough, tough old bird and there's no 1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:51.880 ninety year old week old bird. Yeah. And uh so 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:57.679 we're the big family, the clowns getting together, um uh 1:26:58.040 --> 1:27:02.240 starting tomorrow and we're gonna do big food throw down. 1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:04.960 And I got a whole antelope ham that I threw 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:08.439 in the suvied in the in the truck and um 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.000 and yeah, we're gonna throw down for Granny. And then 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:17.240 I'm coming back here. I'm joining the crew and flying 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:21.040 out to Maryland in my home place. Do you hunt 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:24.080 seek a deer? Which is something I've been very excited about. 1:27:24.200 --> 1:27:28.840 It's a beautiful, delicious creature, non native but delicious. Yes, 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:32.840 there he goes. People are leaving work now, they're like 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:37.360 going over to their families and we've totally avoided any moving. 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:41.599 That's great, it's really great, well well planned out, well 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:46.160 good at some things. Well enjoy Maryland. That's a that's 1:27:46.160 --> 1:27:48.680 a fun hunt. That's a wonderful deer and we'll look 1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:53.240 forward to it. Uh the next season of Meat Eater TV. Right, 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:56.080 So if you listen to this, go watch Callahan one 1:27:56.120 --> 1:28:01.120 season seven and beat either TV. Your freeloaders like, make 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:03.040 sure you go and you click on Netflix and watch 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:08.200 all the episodes. It'll be I am very excited. I 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:14.479 uh started researching this hunt six years ago. Six years 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:18.800 ago and Steven Jannie one day they were like, so, 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:23.960 I'm not saying we can make this happen, but if 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:28.479 we could do any hunt you wanted to do, I 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:34.040 was like, secret Deer in Maryland. They're like what, they're like, 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:40.040 doll sheep. I'm like, dude, Secret Deer in Maryland's got history. 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:45.080 There's food, it's cheap, there's public land. It's I'm not 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:47.600 gonna say I'll let you guys break the news and 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:50.599 the refuge you can go to and do it. I've 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:52.720 done it many not many times were growing up. I 1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:54.800 travel over there and do it here here and there, 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:58.000 but it is to be in the roar for the 1:28:58.040 --> 1:29:01.720 secret deer in this momps of southern Maryland on the 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:08.000 eastern shore. It's pretty freaking unique. You're eating oysters, crab 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:15.400 cakes and drinking yengling, living the life. So go go, 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:20.720 my friend, drain the yengling from the shore and enjoying you. 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:27.000 All right, man, Thank you, thanks much. That's it. That's all, 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:30.040 Episode number thirty one of the podcast in the books. 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:33.160 Thank you once again to Mr Ryan Callahan for hanging 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:36.080 out and listening to some of the things that bothered 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.439 me and asking some of his own questions about what 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:42.040 we've got going on at meat Eater Incorporated. Right now. 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:49.519 All that said, again, will reiterate all the hunting collected content. 1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:52.880 It's gonna live on the meat Easier dot com. Go 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:57.160 to the listen tab to listen to all of these podcasts. 1:29:57.880 --> 1:30:02.000 You can go to my tributer page to read all 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.920 the articles and just poke around and read some stuff 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:08.800 from Mark Kenyon, Why are to Hunt? April Vokey from 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:13.120 anchored at dirtke and chef at Ward Garcia, a bunch 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:17.559 of other folks that are contributed, including of course Steve Rinnella. 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:22.200 It's been fun to launch this and it's been even 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.080 better to talk to you about it because we've been 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:26.479 wanting to do that for quite some time. So thanks 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:30.519 to everybody who uh wrote in and texted and called 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:35.679 and reacted to our launch uh two weeks ago now 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:40.000 and our why why we do what we do? And 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:43.120 so we are in Montana. We are stationed, we are 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:46.920 in an empty office. We're currently putting furniture in um 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:51.000 wording to start this journey that is meeting and incorporated 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:56.080 and hunting collective as a partnership. So that is it. 1:30:56.800 --> 1:31:01.920 Next podcast will be also we lovely Montana, so stay 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:05.880 tuned with us. We'll be right back at you next Tuesday. 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:13.800 Bye m