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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number to thirty one of

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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien today. I am in

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Speaker 1: the Meat Eater offices, Bozeman, Montana. I'm joining with our

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Speaker 1: friend Ryan Callahan for another appearance on the podcast. Before

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Speaker 1: we get started, I would note that, UM, you are

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Speaker 1: now going to find all the Hunting Collective content, all

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Speaker 1: the podcasts, all the articles, all the things that we

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Speaker 1: do here on the meat eater dot com. Uh. That's

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Speaker 1: where we'll live for the longer term as we fold

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective into the network that we've announced last

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Speaker 1: week in the company that we're calling Meat Eater Incorporated.

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Speaker 1: And that's why, UM, one of the better guests we

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Speaker 1: could have on to talk through some of that, talk

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Speaker 1: through some other awesome topics in that of first lights

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Speaker 1: pr in Communication Director believe that's his title, Ryan Callahan.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy episode number one. Brian Callahan. I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing really well too. We're

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Speaker 1: here in the Bozeman, Montana. Yeah, beautiful Bosi Angelis Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: I as a newbie to the state in the town,

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Speaker 1: I have to figure out the lingo, the proper you

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Speaker 1: know the proper lingo. I told you I was hanging

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Speaker 1: out with my grandpa last night, um, and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about Bozeman and h He's like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I went over there and spent a few days hanging

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Speaker 1: out with my dad worked for Gallatin County for a

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Speaker 1: short time. And uh and he's like yeah. He's like,

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Speaker 1: he could tell that they had like some upgrades. And

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Speaker 1: he didn't say upgrades, but you can fill in the

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Speaker 1: lank there and and and his takeaway was, you know,

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Speaker 1: they were they looked really comfortable being there, as in,

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Speaker 1: these aren't Montana people, and they're comfortable there, So that

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Speaker 1: means that they're living there. And that's like they seem

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Speaker 1: to be taken up steak. They doesn't even stake some

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Speaker 1: land out for themselves. And he was like, so they're yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's like, don't don't live in bows. But he's like

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Speaker 1: places gone to hill. Well, Listen, hipsters have a manifest

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Speaker 1: destiny that is not that goes unchallenged when they want

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Speaker 1: to live in your place. They're coming, dude, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing you can do about new age squatters. Yeah, pioneering.

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Speaker 1: It's really the pioneering of the kimbucha bar because I

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Speaker 1: found here. So yes, I mean we are in the

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Speaker 1: guts really, I mean I would I would describe it

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Speaker 1: as the guts of the New Meat Eater Incorporated office. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and yes, Steve Ronell is just well, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they're pilfering items. Uh, this is the brand new gut.

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Speaker 1: Help Yanni's making sticking his tongue out. It's real, it's

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Speaker 1: very it's pretty pretty funny. It's pretty entertaining here. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the guts. I mean we literally just walked

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Speaker 1: them down, and uh, it's brand brand new. So what

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Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Like this sub potential, this this

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Speaker 1: office space? Yeah, you know, and I mean it's a

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Speaker 1: little built out for my taste. You know, I like

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Speaker 1: But that's why I'm asking, because I know you are

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Speaker 1: an expert in Yeah. No, it's it's cool. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: got like like the metal on um metal and concrete.

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Speaker 1: That's suff works for me pretty well. Yeah, heart break

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Speaker 1: it is but you know, hopefully by now if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this, that you've heard about meeting and incorporated

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Speaker 1: as a thing. Um, you know about meat eatther TV

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Speaker 1: and Steve Ronella and of course that's why Cal's around,

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Speaker 1: because he's a meat either guy. In fact, we were

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Speaker 1: saying that at lunch of days, like I've heard Steve

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Speaker 1: Ronella described as the first leg guy and I've heard

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Speaker 1: you described it as a meat eater guy, and of

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Speaker 1: course vice versa. I love your show and I always

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, well, hey, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: So I just show up try to look good. Yeah. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: So I need to ask you what everybody asked me, Um,

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Speaker 1: what is meat Eater inc? Yeah? Yeah, I mean two

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Speaker 1: to our lives, and so the why it was kind

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Speaker 1: relatively nothing, um to this point. But we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: including the Hunting Collective and the Hunting Collective brand and

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that comes with it currently and hopefully

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Speaker 1: you certainly have pr in your title for First Light

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Speaker 1: comes to how we produce media for hunting, fishing, conservation,

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Speaker 1: all of it. UM. Not to say there's not a

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Speaker 1: and in hunting specifically. So we're gonna be a media

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Speaker 1: company that tries to um always start with our ethos

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Speaker 1: that may be not there right now. UM around a

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Speaker 1: lot of things, but particularly culinary world where Steve comes from, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's connected to and conservation world, which

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Speaker 1: you have a lot to do with it, as as

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Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to nail down. This doesn't have

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Speaker 1: its core, it's just a bunch of people that believe

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Speaker 1: be producing media. He has a media company, so that

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Speaker 1: uh is uh TV show or shows? Yeah, hopefully shows.

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Speaker 1: that maybe nobody knows about right now. UM. So that's

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Speaker 1: also cool, man, you know well as well as I do.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty um unique position to be in to

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Speaker 1: everybody should be paying attention to this. To this person, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's exciting. But for me, as somebody who cares

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Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. Cool. And and in your perspective, like

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Speaker 1: you know we I've said this a million times internally here,

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Speaker 1: smarter person, being more intelligent. That makes us all better. Hence,

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Speaker 1: you know, rising side lifts all boats and so as

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Speaker 1: UM is that will listen to our audience and and

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Speaker 1: And like that's we said that. Steve said it, I've

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's be honest. But yeah, trade offs. Right. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you're no longer yet, you're no longer in Texas, um,

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Speaker 1: and you have been posting up all fore it's hunting pictures.

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Speaker 1: So what have you been doing? Yeah? I like how

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Speaker 1: you know. Um No, I mean when it when you

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Speaker 1: if I not accomplished anything, I'm not off somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Um So I pretty early on and like no Wing,

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Speaker 1: came up with like this. All I can describe it

426
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: as is like this getting older malady. Like I hadn't

427
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: been out, hadn't been out hammering, uh what and training? Uh?

428
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: And I hadn't even gotten on my freaking mountain bike

429
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: at all. And I was busting butt on the house

430
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: and trying to get it done and trying to get

431
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: I had it first light enough to feel good about

432
00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: being outside and uh. And yeah, we did a monster

433
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: hike opening day of the season. Uh, grab my overnight gear.

434
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: That night, I went back out another monster hike, and man,

435
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I was I was pretty crippled on this foot thing.

436
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: And and then I'm like boy. And then you compound

437
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: that by getting skewered in the guts by some Raghorn

438
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: bull Like there's no way I'm getting out of here. Um,

439
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: but this bowl just kept walking and yeah, so part

440
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: of me is like, you better do something, and then

441
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: the other part of me is like the word just

442
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: see how close he comes. And yeah, So twenty nine

443
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: the bull came in twenty that's close. That is that

444
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: closer to me than you? Yes, we're probably fifty inches apart.

445
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: And I had my arrow on on the string right

446
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and he came in and sniffed the odd head, and

447
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: you could like I've never been that close to an

448
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: elk obviously, And and he came in and sniffed the

449
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: broad head, and I just remember like staring at his

450
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: forehead being like, boy, this must be a really good

451
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: year for horn growth, because this thing's head is so tiny.

452
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: I bet it's normally a spike on normal year it's

453
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: but it's probably a spike. And and you could just

454
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: see like the facial expression of like recognition of like, man,

455
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen this before, but it is not right.

456
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: And then it somehow peeled around without touching me or

457
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: the arrow and stood broadside there's my broadside elk ah

458
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen yards and just stared at me and then

459
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: and I was waiting for it to bark and blow

460
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: the area up, and then it just kind of like

461
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: relaxed completely and then dropped his head and ate and

462
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: walked off. And I'm like, well, I never would have

463
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: experienced that, um, And that was a sweet experience, you know,

464
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: it's not Elk meating the freezer. But yeah, but again,

465
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: the only family thing you left off the story was well,

466
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: when I drawback and shot it, Yeah, you know that's

467
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: one sentence in a freaking you know, a article. Yes,

468
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: and so that's the beautiful part about that. But yeah,

469
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean I found like I started doing it. I

470
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: think like five years ago when I started thinking, all,

471
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like in the hunting industry as a

472
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: professional person, like I'm hunting a lot for my job. Um,

473
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: it's just taken like a day. I'd never or a

474
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: moment whenever it hit me to like think about like,

475
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: holy shit, how am I hunting now that I haven't

476
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: last year, the year before, the year before that five

477
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: years ago. When I was a kid, I would have

478
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: never done some of the stuff I do now, or

479
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: thought some of them. I'm sure when you were a kid,

480
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: you would never probably never let an l walk up

481
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: to Sniffley Broadhead. No. Yeah, So I always try to

482
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: like think back and recognize those changes and then be

483
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, super cognizant of each year how I what

484
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: I do differently? Yeah, man, and just trying to be

485
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: honest with yourself, right, Like we worked so hard, and

486
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: it was always on the weekend, um, and we worked

487
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: so so hard to get one opportunity. It was like

488
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: if you got one opportunity archery l hunting in the

489
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: state of Montana, whether you let a narrow fly or not,

490
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: that was a successful season for Like, that was like

491
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: a major success. Like the bull was there, had an

492
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: opportunity and I screwed up or I killed it like

493
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that it was all you could and that was kind

494
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: of a big ask, right, Like that was working really hard,

495
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: um on the weekends, just like everybody else. And now

496
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: I try to work really hard and and if I

497
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: could stay out there for a month, I would stay

498
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: out there for a month. And in just yeah, I

499
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: mean the reality is in the opening week of our

500
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: tree season in Idaho, I hunted more than most people will.

501
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: Then then the majority of hunters will the entire season. Right,

502
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: we were talking about that that that's a huge thing.

503
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I think that maybe doesn't you know, there's a lot

504
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: of things about like what we do and who people

505
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: think we are that that it's helpful I think to

506
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: the honey industry. But there's part of that that changes.

507
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: It's changed me to an extent. We were just talking

508
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: about another point about free hunting gear, and I think

509
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: it's it's the amount of days hunting and the free

510
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: hunting ship that I get, you get, and like just

511
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: we get as part of our thing here. Yeah, And

512
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: so caution people when they're like, oh man, that's badass,

513
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I am actually a catered to individual

514
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: like I have. It's it's silly. I am a spoiled man.

515
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean when I was moving, I was

516
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: looking at my garage and I was like, come on,

517
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: like no, this is wrong this yeah right, I mean,

518
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: so what's more badass? Right? Like being in this position

519
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: where you get the time, like hey, no, you are

520
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: going el cunning this week, dedicated week, get out there

521
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: um and you at least have at your disposal some

522
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: really solid discounts to get the bass stuff on the marrow,

523
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: get to um or you know the guys swinging the

524
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: hammer and dropping his tool belt at five o'clock and

525
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: driving all night long and yeah, and going out there

526
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: for all day Saturday because he's got to get back

527
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: for his kid's birthday on Sunday, typething. You know, It's

528
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: like I think there's this there's something that happens, and

529
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a natural these natural things like that. It doesn't

530
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: make me bad or you bad, or anybody who's in

531
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: the in in our industry bad um for it. But

532
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: I've spent the last you know, a bunch of podcasts

533
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: previous to this one just talking to you know, not

534
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: even guys. I just did one with a rabbit hunter

535
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: in Maryland who he's just a regular guy, but he

536
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: just he's like, buys his brush pants at Gabella's. But

537
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: he's the best rabbit hunter I've ever met in my

538
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: life because his perspectives are so different, because he doesn't

539
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: like he's I just got that one pair of brush pants.

540
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't have boxes of prototype stuff test down things

541
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: like that. You know, it's people being like, please test

542
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: these out for us, um And so I think that

543
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: just changes, you know, me personally. I don't know if

544
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: anybody cares about my personal thing, but that has changed me.

545
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: And I've had to like take a few steps back

546
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: from that and be like, appreciate, be appreciative of the

547
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: time you spend outside, and appreciative of the things that

548
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you're wearing and and the privileges you have around that.

549
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: Be appreciative of that and then also know that the guy, um,

550
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more virtue in the guy that

551
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: works five days a week and takes his tool belt off,

552
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: goes on like, yeah, I was that guy, so were

553
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: you for a very long time, and like there's there's

554
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more virtue. She just like that teeny

555
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: bit more virtue. Yeah, and and well yeah, and so

556
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: folks in the positions of like you got sponsors that

557
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: are willing to pay and chip your butter around the country,

558
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: and you know, and uh, you know, and I do

559
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: feel like the days of this happening aren't quite what

560
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: they used to be. But you know, there was definitely

561
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: a time where, um, the only media out there was

562
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: written media, and there are only a few folks worth reading.

563
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: And those folks got shipped around the world and they

564
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: were i mean catered to because they needed that article

565
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: and it sure didn't produce. Some of them are kind

566
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: of just assholes now because they went through thirty years

567
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: of being catered to. Yeah, and man, they they if

568
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: you're going to be in that position, you better recognize,

569
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: um that you're you're a pretty spoiled cat, So you

570
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: better better give something back somehow. Somewhere there's a ton

571
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: of people that do that and do it well and

572
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: and understand their position, and but it worked hard to

573
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: get there. So I mean, that's not that you should

574
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: feel bad about that, but that's something I've been thinking

575
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: about it, and we talked about we were just before

576
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: we had recorded talking about like seeing it in other

577
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: people like I've been I've had it for a while,

578
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: You've had it for a while, Like seeing somebody just

579
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: start with a box of gear showing up and just

580
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: start to realize I could just have that. Could I

581
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: just that right there? I just take that and then

582
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: nobody would say thing. I just like that person is

583
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: now figuring out you know what this is? Yeah, the

584
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: benefits of always caution, like you know, nothing in life

585
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: is free and there is a cost associated and um,

586
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: you you better recognize that. Yeah, yeah, And I think

587
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, we won't believe at that point because I

588
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: like it's I think sometimes these conversations just become two

589
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: people talking and like you think people people really care about. Um,

590
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: here's another So I'm gonna totally flip. There's no segue

591
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: at all. I got no segway. But it's something I

592
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: was thinking about as we're having lunch today, we were

593
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: having a nice long conversation about public land versus private land. Yeah, yeah, um,

594
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: in the feeling that as as you know, I feel

595
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: there's some danger. I don't know, if you've never talked

596
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: about this, maybe we have a little bit. I feel

597
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: like there is some there. There's always inherent danger with trends,

598
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: right and trendiness. Moreover, there is danger was something being cool.

599
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: When it gets to be cool, people start doing it

600
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: for inauthentic reasons or talking about it for inauthentic reasons. Um,

601
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: public lands have kind of started to trend that way,

602
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: or they it's become a trend to talk about. I

603
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of companies are talking about public land,

604
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of individuals talking about public land. I love it.

605
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: I love that all and I would never say don't

606
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: do it. But I there's always a little drawback to that,

607
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: which is which is the yeah uh it you may

608
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: alienate yes folks, so yeah, you and I know a

609
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: few folks that are private landowners or landowners wouldn't want

610
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: to say private their landowners and ranchers who feel ah slighted, yes,

611
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: because they are. They feel like, as we champion, you know,

612
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: kind of the mystique of public land hunting and the

613
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: effort it takes to go and do it all on

614
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: yourself own, and the idealistic link it has to our

615
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: our nation and what it means to be American, and

616
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: you know, keep HARKing back to the turn of the

617
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: century and these important figures. There's not a similar storyline

618
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: for private lands and ranching and habitat therein. And so

619
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: there's this perceived undercurrent of of anger or animosity that

620
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: you've seen a little bit. I've seen a little bit

621
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: I think kind of has bubbled up in some ways. Yes,

622
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: it's worth addressing. Yeah, And you know, I think the

623
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: good argument is, oh, you're a public landowner, what do

624
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: you actually do for the land? I am a rancher.

625
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: I have my property and I am out taking care

626
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: of it to the best of my ability every single day.

627
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: That's what I do. What are you doing with your

628
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: public landowner t shirt? I got one on right now. Um,

629
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: And that argument I absolutely get And I love people. Yeah,

630
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: like I think everybody who wears that public landowner shirt

631
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: should be challenged. So, yeah, well, what are you doing

632
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: for public land? I think I ain't make it happen,

633
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: because I want that conversation to happen, right and I

634
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: don't I was even talk the Lantana yesterday from b

635
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: H and I don't want it to feel like I'm

636
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: downing the trendiness of public lands. That's what I want, Yes,

637
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: I want to to to expound upon that and how

638
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: important it is and continue to beat that drum. And

639
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I will always continue like to beat that drum because

640
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: because I know what it means and what it means

641
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: to me, So not bagging it, no, but addressing like

642
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: the negative side and that this this, once it has

643
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: comes the trend as it has been, then you can

644
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: start to evaluate the it's effect on our culture and

645
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: our shared ideas, like and it's having an effect I

646
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: think a little bit right now that that conversation that

647
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: isn't positive or productive is when somebody feels like they

648
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: aren't cool because they're like, well, I'm I am hunting

649
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: on private land and everybody talks about how cool public

650
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: lands are, and I think my private land is pretty cool,

651
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and so I don't like you guys. We've you The

652
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: nomenclature of hunting has changed the way we described what

653
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: things we do has changed to the point where it's

654
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: like if someone killed an elk, they're like, man killed

655
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: a good bull. If someone kills a bull in public land,

656
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: they've now killed a public land bull. Like it has

657
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: a modifier in front and it does not go anywhere

658
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: without its public land bull title. No, that's very true

659
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: and very true. And then that is uh, just part

660
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: of like the acceptance of this thing. Ah can be

661
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: a little a little bit tougher, a little bit more, uh,

662
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, pioneering to just go on the land that

663
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: that and figured out and do it yourself like that.

664
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the we did everything that we could to

665
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: get access to private land in Montana grown up. It's

666
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: there's a grass as always greenery element to it, for sure. Um.

667
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I just didn't

668
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: know it was like, well, I can see across the

669
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: fence and there's a lot of elk out and not

670
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: afou fa field, Like how we get over there? Yeah?

671
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: How do I get over there? Which is probably a

672
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: way better and more virtuous way to look at that

673
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: ship anyway, Like where the elk cars we would like

674
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: to go. I don't give a ship if it's owned

675
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: by us or that guy. Yeah, I'd like to go

676
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: over there, and yeah, man. But the thing that makes

677
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: public lands so challenging and frustrating, like I saw more

678
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: archery hunters in the woods this year than I ever

679
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: have in my entire life, and spots where I can

680
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'll never see anybody like, oh my god,

681
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: who is this idiot with a giant backpack? Who is

682
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: not me? Which is the issue here? Uh you know

683
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. And and that's why the public land

684
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: deal is a challenge because you're out there with every

685
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: other public landowner that's in its competition. It makes it tough. Um.

686
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's that's why that little yeah

687
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: prefect should be on there. Yeah. Yeah, I just noticed

688
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: that lately, like this year, maybe because I was not

689
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: in it and I was looking at it, and I

690
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: was like, there's definitely we've changed the way we described

691
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: hunting because this this animal that died as a as

692
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: a modifier as to where how it died, where it died,

693
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, my public land archery bull um, and the

694
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: animal doesn't care the animal. So when I was a kid,

695
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: I remember like we had a organic farm that we

696
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 1: had access to hunt. It was you know, the lady

697
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: said kill every day. You see they jump off the

698
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: fence to eat my eat my crops, and and that's

699
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: how I make my money. And so we would go

700
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: there and we would see tons of deer. I mean,

701
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: this place is full of deer. It's probably wasn't a

702
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: big place, maybe five acres something like that. And we

703
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: would go and kill five six seven deer in a

704
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: day and we get all our food this lay. It

705
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: would be happy, it would be great. But then we

706
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: had public land that was probably forty five minutes from

707
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: my front door. That was you know, to me at

708
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: the time, mountains, it was a wild place, creek creek crossings, park,

709
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: the truck walk for miles, do your thing. And then

710
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: this private land was very much just like get out

711
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: of the truck, walk down the trail, sit on the log,

712
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: shoot the deer. And so without even knowing it as

713
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: a kid, public land to me was this like adventure

714
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: situation and private it is the unknown? Is this the unknown?

715
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: So for me, like I was doing it without even

716
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 1: realizing like oh this, we were just like we're gonna

717
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: go to Green Ridge day Forest. That's where we're going,

718
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: Like we're just oh man, it's great. You a mountains

719
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: crow across creeks like other people could be there. It's cool.

720
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: It's like mysterious. And then you go to this private

721
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: farming like, well, we walked down the trail and you

722
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: go past the garden about yards, go down the draw

723
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: and then sit on that long there. Yeah, and get

724
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: a deer and get a deer. Yes, And that's how

725
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: you refer to it. It's my uncle down the road here.

726
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean that was I was like, yeah, this is

727
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: grocery shopping, right, and it's great. I mean, and if

728
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: you want to talk about like the real the hypocrisy

729
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: here is like, you know, he has deer that live

730
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: and die on that alfi field and they taste great,

731
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: and he can harvest one. And I do think in

732
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: this case harvest is the absolute appropriate plucking it out

733
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: of the field without really doing anything different in his day.

734
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: He can step out of the tractor, he can shoot

735
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: the deer. He can continue on with the tractor. When

736
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: he gets to where the deer expired, he will then

737
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: throw it. I'm the tractor in the tracker, so it's

738
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a detour and just continue on. And um,

739
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, he has told me many many times. He's like,

740
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: you can have anybody out here as long as they

741
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And he appreciates that land like deep in

742
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: his soul, and it exudes from his eyeballs, like he

743
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: man like he takes great, great pride. And and he's

744
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: seen the changes firsthand. He's got his hands dirty every

745
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: single day. And he's sixty some years old now and

746
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: maybe even older. I don't know, sorry, Jeffrey. And and

747
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: and that is that is a real thing. And folks

748
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: like him, Dad, I hope to god they don't feel

749
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: slighted so happy about public land. Yeah, and that's what

750
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: we're when, uh, at lunch to day, you and I

751
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: Ronella were talking about, like, don't feel just because we

752
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: say we love public lands doesn't mean we hate private land.

753
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: And that that we had a particular person I felt

754
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: that way, you know, that reached out to you and

755
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: me and almost like separately, but like in the same threat.

756
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: That's like I on private land, and and nobody's celebrating this.

757
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's no T shirts for this thing, Like okay,

758
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: well there's reasons for that, but moreover, I don't hate

759
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: your thing. In fact, I aspire to have a ranch

760
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: one day if I could, Uh, I would love to. Yeah,

761
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: you're a lucky sucker, and that's why we don't have

762
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: to celebrate you. It'd be like it's like the Oscars,

763
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: like celebrating rich, famous people. We don't need to do that.

764
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: If you have access, you don't. You're you've already won,

765
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: like you've won the game at some level. Yeah, at

766
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: some level. And and it's you know, people aren't helping

767
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: you celebrate that more than boy, that's a great ball

768
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: because they don't get that experience either at the vast majority.

769
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: To go back to the beginning here, like you don't

770
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: get that many days in the woods, and you know,

771
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: unless you're really dedicating time to you know, track down

772
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: those landowners and make sure that they know that you're

773
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: not some knucklehead that's gonna, yeah, shoot a horse instead

774
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: of an elk um, then you're probably not gonna waste

775
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: your one weekend doing that, no, because you only got

776
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: one weekend to go. So um, it strikes me now

777
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: that we're going through this that they that idea that

778
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about homesteading as as you

779
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: were talking there, like homesteading is part of the was

780
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: part of the American dream right. It was part of

781
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: like what people wanted to do. It was part of

782
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: benifest testing, going west and stake in your ground. It

783
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. And that's being used

784
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: by guys like Mike Lee has this draw to draw

785
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: people in and convince them that that, you know, the

786
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: new Homestead Act is what they need to be doing.

787
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: When that we both at this table. No, that's a

788
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: veiled attempt two privatize these lands and sell the suckers,

789
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: which is a sad thing. Like I would celebrate homesteading.

790
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: I think homesteading is what this country it isn't It

791
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: is what this country was built upon. Yeah, And there

792
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: was a reaction to that. That was public lands, that

793
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: was national forests. That wasn't that the national parks. It

794
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: was a reaction to like, we're out here staking all

795
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: this land up. Let's make sure, let's make sure this

796
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: part is for all of us. M yea. And so

797
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: it spins it. You know, the reason that private landowners

798
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: are feeling a little slighted or feeling different from the

799
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: crowd here as as the crowd grows, public land hunters

800
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: and folks that will wear the T shirt. Um it

801
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: opens up like some weird political chasm for for like

802
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: us against them. It's like red versus blue, private versus public.

803
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: And that's the nice thing, is it. The public is

804
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, so there is no one us versus them. Yeah,

805
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you know, if if anything, uh, maybe we've

806
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: reduced the amount of folks stopping by and knocking on

807
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: your door on a Sunday. Yeah. One of michaela is

808
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to convince people that because public land is elitist. Yeah,

809
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: what he's trying to convince private landers and ranchers and

810
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: people that fall on the red side of the coin

811
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: that public land is an elitist principle. Yeah. Yeah, and

812
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: it Oh, it's just so wrong in so many ways. Yeah.

813
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of people sleep in parks.

814
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Public parks. Doesn't seem real elitist elitists. But yeah, I

815
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: think that's all kind of uh spun together in this

816
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: weird gumbo of of honey. Yeah it is. And again,

817
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: like I so the we were just just did a

818
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: wyoming antelot hunt um with the couple of the guys

819
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: from Hush and uh the guy as at Weatherby. Weatherby

820
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: is now calling themselves whether whether it be three point

821
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: oh internally, probably shouldn't be telling everybody that. But and

822
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: it's cool because Adam Weatherby is is CEO, and he's

823
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: and he's running things, and they're moving to Wyoming. There

824
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: the whole the corporate office is in Wyoming already, but

825
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: they're moving the whole manufacturing out of California Wyoming. So

826
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: when I did a antelope punt together on private land, um, and,

827
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, I had an absolute ball, like just

828
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: leisurely passing up antelope for truly no reason other than

829
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: the fact that you could could and some other truck

830
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna top over the ridge and whack that thing right.

831
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: And it was. It was great. It was super super fun,

832
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: great experience. Um and yeah, and and and that doesn't

833
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: make me less of a public landowner or pro one

834
00:51:54,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: thing anti another. Where's incredibility lie? Like what does that even? Like?

835
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Somebody asked me, like, what

836
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of you know, how do you get your credibilities

837
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: at hunter? If you're just gonna have private lands because

838
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: there's an animal over there and you're over here and

839
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: you go over and you kill it. Yeah, Like that's

840
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: that's a skill I did, so there there's some chunks

841
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: of BLM that are landlocked there, and um, I wrote

842
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: around with the rancher um the whole time and got

843
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: a ton of bullshitting and which I just loved with

844
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: an old ranchers, Like, yeah, that's kind of bullshit. There

845
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: is awesome, awesome, you know, rattling around in the truck

846
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and and uh you know, I'm just like, just like

847
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: I was when I was like twelve, riding around with

848
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: an old rancher, I was like a question every thirty seconds. Yeah,

849
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, enough about me? What about and that tree

850
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: right there? And he's like what about He's like, what

851
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: are you looking for? What do you I'm like, I

852
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: just want to see more more of the ranch. I

853
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: just want to keep doing what we're doing. Uh Um.

854
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, he's like, you know, this

855
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: is kind of like the average antelope and some of

856
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: them will get a little bit bigger. But then I'm like, dude,

857
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: I do not care. I'm like, I just like this,

858
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now is what I'm after. This

859
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: is awesome and we had a great time, and um,

860
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: there are some chunks of BLM there that are completely

861
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: land locked, so public land inaccessible public land, which is

862
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: something I just drives me crazy. And but you know,

863
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: talking with this rancher about it, he's like, you know,

864
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I've tried to do some land swaps with the state

865
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: because he's like, these things are honestly kind of a

866
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: pain in my butt. And um, he's like, I tried

867
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: to do this like three or four times and swap

868
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: out sections that are yeah public. He's like, you know,

869
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: and and and swap this stuff out so I don't

870
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: have the public landing inside the perimeters of the of

871
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: the other ranch. And and so that was an interesting

872
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: conversation on one of the weather be guys is like, well,

873
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, you you probably want to shoot your antelope

874
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: over there on that chunk of BLM. So since it's public,

875
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: ain't that like what we're talking about, though, That's exactly

876
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: what it is. You're probably gonna want for credibility sake.

877
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: You want to go over there, right, because that's your thing, right,

878
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: even no that public land is basically private and keep

879
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: up appearances. And I was just so excited to just

880
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: be able to get Bones home, which I never do

881
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: because typically have to leave him on the mountain to

882
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: save some weight and make stock. I was like, dude,

883
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm already on hog having and yeah, what I care

884
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: about in this particular situation is getting not a pile

885
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: of bones so I can make stock at home. And

886
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: I haven't eating an antelope and a long time, and

887
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm pumped about that. And I don't care if it's

888
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: a six inch buck or a sixteen inch buck um,

889
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't care where it's standing, don't care

890
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: where it staying. I'm just trying to for some reason lately,

891
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about a lot of T shirt ideas.

892
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: We're start selling t shirts on the podcast. We're not

893
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: on the podcast, but about it. I think that might

894
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: be good. Nice one. I don't care where it's staying.

895
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't care where you're staying. You don't care A

896
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: shot that six and a half by three hundred. Oh yeah,

897
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: that's a straight cheetn sun up a bit in it.

898
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. The casing on that thing is enormous.

899
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: Ye I it was for three years ago. Now, I

900
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: think I was one of the first guys to get

901
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: it in like travel abroad with it, are doing anything crazy?

902
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: We went to New Zealand, and I missed, uh foul

903
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: dere like three six yards. We were about forty year

904
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: angle above this foulon deer, and I'm like, well, imnuna

905
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: have to hold high. You know I had shot you know,

906
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: I was living in Texas then, so I'm like, there

907
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: was no ranges past a hundred yards, so I only

908
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: shot at a hundred yards with this rifle. We go

909
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: over there, we shooter guns in. I'm doing good out

910
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: the two hundred we got this go to at this

911
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: foulon dere like three sixteen yards. I'm like, well, I'm

912
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to hold high because we're gonna have you know,

913
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: we got we got an angle, steep angle here. And

914
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: I shot over these things back and then I remember Adam,

915
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: whether Be or someone at weather Be saying this thing

916
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: is flat to three hundred yards, and I thought, you're

917
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: a dummy. Just hold on. So this foulder kers running

918
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: up this draw and I just crack another round in

919
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: there and just put right on the shoulder and drop

920
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: him at probably three or fifty yards. And that's when

921
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, you know, Adam is a pretty impressive character.

922
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he's like he knows their loads. Obviously,

923
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: and he knows they're guns, but he for everybody shot.

924
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: Um was like, yeah, you got about ten wind here,

925
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: and that's coming out of the barrel at about feet

926
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: per second, so you're gonna want to hold about an

927
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: inch and a half to the right. You're like, what awesome?

928
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Can you come with me on all my house? Like

929
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: this is awesome? Yes, he comes from a long line

930
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of impressive dudes. I can only imagine. You know, I've

931
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: met his father and never did meet Royal Weatherby, but

932
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: weather Be's this as impressive of a fella. That's cool.

933
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: I do have to tell everybody that Ben and I

934
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: are sitting here on our butts doing this podcast. I

935
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: got my back to the window and uh watching uh

936
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: Steven Ronnella Carrie physically move things into the office. He's

937
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: moving like tables, table boxes. I thought he was yeah y'all. Yeah,

938
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: he's giving Yanni a piggyback ride. He loves that little fellow,

939
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: he really likes. Yeah, I have my back to the windows.

940
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: I haven't been seeing like, I am aware that people

941
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: are bringing things in, but they must think that we're

942
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: this is work though, right, Yeah, this is work. Got

943
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Steve walking backwards with the meat eater uh ceo uh

944
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: carrying a table up up some stairs. Yeah, I mean

945
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: this is a team, team effort. We're all for one,

946
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: one for all around here. Unless your podcast, somebody gets

947
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: out to carry this ship. I mean I will eventually

948
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: carry some stuff, I think, but I don't at this point.

949
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't want to hurt myself or anything. Yeah,

950
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: I know, it's not like that Brunella walking around in

951
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: the background sweating it out while we're hamming it up about.

952
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: It's good for the biggest issues. Um. I like having

953
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: you on, you know why because uh one of the

954
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: reasons why. One of the many reasons is because of

955
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: the Sometimes I get bothered about stuff and I'm not

956
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: sure how to bring it up on the podcast. Like

957
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: I get bothered about like I was bothered about the

958
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: public private land thing. It's just bothering about it, and

959
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: it is bothering bothers you. You should should feel right

960
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: to be bothered, because yeah, man, I like, I know

961
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: so many awesome landowners and laugh a lot in my

962
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: family and they kick ass and they should be celebrated

963
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, it's just it's

964
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: hard to celebrate something that a lot of people aren't

965
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna be able to touch. I think you and I

966
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: will start a series of podcast where it's just like

967
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: it'll be called I'm bothered by I like it, and

968
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: then it just we'll just talk about this ship that

969
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: bothers us. Currently you're grants, my gears, you guys my gears. Um,

970
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: here's the one thing, the other thing that bothers me. Um.

971
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to really articulate them. And

972
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't brought it up to anybody yet.

973
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: But guiding or the outfitting outfitting guiding is it's a

974
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: subset about things you've been a guide. Um, So as

975
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: I look at like as I think about my own

976
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: hunting and why I'm doing the thing, and and I

977
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: just read about hunting all the time, and I look

978
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: at on on social media, and I talked to hunters.

979
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: I moved to Bosman to be around him and be,

980
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, be a part of this thing. And and

981
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: it strikes me that, um, there's a lot of examples

982
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: of this that outfitting can't help. But be all about

983
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: the anilers. You can't fucking help it, um, almost just

984
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: because of the way it's set up the way it's

985
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: done traditionally. Outfiteling can't help but slide that book of

986
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: photos across the table, or have its main page on

987
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the website of the outfit or be a bunch of

988
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: dead giant animals. Has to entice the people to come

989
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: and see the giant animals and kill the giant animals

990
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: that they've got, And so that's just bothered. That's something

991
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: that's bothered me. And I've hunted with outfitters and guides

992
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: my whole life, and I've never met I'm very I've

993
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: had one or two that I can think that I

994
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: would never go back with again, that it was a

995
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: bad experience. They were helpful in my experiencing a place

996
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: that I didn't know anything about, or learning things, or

997
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: learning tactics or learning and whatever. I mean. They're helpful

998
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: in my hunting experience, not harmful. But like the optics

999
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: of the outfitting game. You've been to s CI you've

1000
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: been to Harrisburg, You've been to all these places I've

1001
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: been to. Like the optics of it is the sales

1002
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: that you know, making it a commodity, and then the

1003
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: selling of the opportunity at a big animal like my

1004
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: dad's doing it currently, is going with outfit in Montana

1005
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: next month, and he was instead of talking about the country,

1006
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the place, the people he might meet, he was talking

1007
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: about the size of the antlers that the outfitter was

1008
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: showing him. That's not my dad, but it's like the

1009
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: outfitter was like, come hunted Montana, check it out. Yep,

1010
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: you know that very well. Yeah, So that's been bothering me.

1011
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? You know, I think

1012
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: everybody likes wants to get something big. You know, it's

1013
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: it's because they're not around every tree right. Um And

1014
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: but isn't that like one I guess maybe one of

1015
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: the things that bothers me is that that's like an

1016
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: artificial like if you go out on public or private

1017
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: lane and do all the work and get the big thing,

1018
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: that's what hunting is. This is like so I've always said, like, so, yeah,

1019
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: they're the marketing sales part. Yeah, big animals man, for

1020
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: for sure. There's uh um and uh adam field to

1021
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: table hunts in Colorado. Um And and he does do

1022
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: something like no, these are cow hunts, and and I'm

1023
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna add show you have to cut it, cut it

1024
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: up and you're gonna have cut wrap meat going home,

1025
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: and and that's super awesome. Obviously it's a much different

1026
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: customer then. Yes, then you know that there's the like

1027
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: the sub sub category, the one percent of the hunting company,

1028
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: hunting world that's like, yeah, can you give that meat

1029
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: away to somebody like or they don't even inquire to

1030
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: it at all. Right, it's like, give me my picture,

1031
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: make sure this gets the tax during must and I'm

1032
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: on the I'm back on the plane. Can I take that.

1033
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little a little bit deeper at one level, deeper,

1034
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: like there's that one percent to be give ship two

1035
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: ships about the meat, but there's another like deeper subset

1036
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: that cares about the meat a little bit yep, enough

1037
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: to like eat some backstrapping camp and maybe if if

1038
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: it's not inconvenient, takes some home. Um. I've seen a

1039
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: lot of examples of that kind of activity, like yeah,

1040
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, taking some backstraps on and leaving the rest

1041
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: of the animal, uh and saying why I love the meat.

1042
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: You left most of the meat. And that's real expensive

1043
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: to get on the plane and you're like, wait a minute,

1044
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: what he six thousand dollar hunt? Yeah, I've seen that

1045
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot in Canada, particularly because that's how hard it

1046
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: is to get the entire moves back to the States.

1047
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: People like, I'll just take the big cuts that I like, Yeah, look,

1048
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: that's not wrong, but I just, like I said, it's

1049
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: like there's just some bothersome like threads of that that

1050
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: I think, so the greater public to the non on

1051
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: the public don't look so good. Yeah yeah, and there

1052
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: are some realities and truth to that in the hunting space. Yeah. Um,

1053
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: but I have always said, like a really good guy,

1054
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: really good outfitter, they are going to may you feel

1055
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: as if you you did it like you like you

1056
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: came over that religion, you spotted the animal and you

1057
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: got yourself like and they're they're facilitating rights. Yeah yeah um,

1058
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: but if you don't have that sense of accomplishment, then

1059
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: they did a bad job, dead animal or not right. Yeah,

1060
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: because there's nobody that there's folks that can trick themselves

1061
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: into thinking something different. But if it's like, well, you know,

1062
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: all I did it really was pulled the trigger. That's

1063
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: not in my mind. You didn't. Yeah, you turned in

1064
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: b work as a guy not at work, And that's

1065
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: what I would make that point again, isn't that I

1066
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: say it bothers me? I think you made the great

1067
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: same as like the marketing. Is that what bothers me?

1068
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Most of my guided hunts, I've always come off a

1069
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: better hunter, with a great experience and felt like fulfill

1070
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: by the thing. Yeah, and ideally, like that guide out

1071
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: there that you're spending time with your like you know,

1072
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: I want to spend time with him again. Yeah, I

1073
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of that going on. In fact, you know,

1074
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: I just got a text from a guy named Mike

1075
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: Hawkard's that the first moosehn I ever did with Rogan

1076
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: up in British Columbia, Like that dude remained a friend. Yeah,

1077
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, it wasn't like the most hardcore moose

1078
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: hunt ever, but it was a great time and I'm

1079
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: glad that I did it. Um So I think, Yeah,

1080
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's more of my biggest issue with

1081
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: always thinking about the messaging around what we do. Is

1082
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: this the marketing of like the intrinsic person to person

1083
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: marketing of of outfitters? How it shows up online, how

1084
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: it shows up at trade shows? How that like and

1085
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: and I've seen and you've likely seen documentaries and vice.

1086
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: Ah episodes and different like non hunting coverage of hunting

1087
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: that go was to the trade show and makes it

1088
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: look like a circus. It goes to sci and shows

1089
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, the dude walking up and asking about the

1090
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: lion and seeing the flipbook of dead animals like it,

1091
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: and they play like yachte sacks while first looking around

1092
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: in the trade show because there's somebody on the outside.

1093
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: That ship looks really weird. It does it looks you know,

1094
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: it looks very yah. You know, it looks like trophy

1095
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: on it. Yep. Yeah. And you know I was when

1096
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: I was speaking to my class yesterday at the university,

1097
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: we need to discuss that part Cale's a guest you said,

1098
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: guest lecturer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, which was awesome

1099
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: because the University of Montana and I didn't exactly leave

1100
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: on great terms, didn't didn't part way is on a

1101
01:07:52,880 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: great term. Um, but the they were studying, um like

1102
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: that that what guiding was, what outfitting was. And but

1103
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: of course, like they start in the nineteenth century right

1104
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: where the real deal trophy hunting was taking place. Um,

1105
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: where he had like your caravan of taxid room us

1106
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: and you know, and and a lot of tweed going on.

1107
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, And uh, you know, I get to go

1108
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of places and chat with a lot of

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01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: folks as as you do. Um, the amount of hunters

1110
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: that I run into that I would consider trophy hunters

1111
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:51,480
Speaker 1: like that definition of trophy hunters is so so small. Um.

1112
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: And again like it's that one percent of the hunting population.

1113
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, like hunting that we talked about him all

1114
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: the time ourselves. Yeah, and the media certainly focuses on there.

1115
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: And and you know, the more the medias refers to

1116
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Jr. As your average hunter, the more because

1117
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: that just yeah, he may be your average hunter, but

1118
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: there's plenty of examples of him doing non average things

1119
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,919
Speaker 1: in the hunting space. Like it is it that's a challenge,

1120
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably why I'm I know for

1121
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: a fact having experienced it. It's not trophy hunting. Like

1122
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't go to the hair the Great American Outdoor

1123
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: Show and the Harrisburg and there's a bunch of trophy

1124
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: hunters there. That's not the case. Um. But I think

1125
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: a conversation we could have better that I've seen at

1126
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: that show is like a wyoming mel deear outfit or

1127
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: sitting at his booth at Harrisburg with his giant his

1128
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: heads everywhere and his pictures of all the antlers, and

1129
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: then to get the non trophy hunting regular guy that

1130
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: has just extra five grand that wants to go out west,

1131
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: is all of a sudden like walking around looking for

1132
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: the guy with the biggest heads. Yeah, yeah, and I don't.

1133
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't blame either party and I don't and I

1134
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and I know it's not that

1135
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: I know it's not what you're talking about, but I

1136
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: think the optics of it are such, the optics of

1137
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: it are such, could be improved a little bit. That's

1138
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: what I've been bothered by. There's I don't have anything

1139
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: that really comes to mind, because you know that average

1140
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: Joe just just like anybody, for any situation. You're like, yep,

1141
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out west, and you're a skier and

1142
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: you're looking at resorts and one has of powder every

1143
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: year and the other one has eight inches of powder

1144
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: every year. You're like, well, probably to go for more snow,

1145
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: not less in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think that,

1146
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: but that even goes back to it, just the focusing

1147
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: just the animal, right, like Yeah, what they really want

1148
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: is a kick ass all around experience. Yes, that's what

1149
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: they really want, That's what they really desire. And if

1150
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: how do we how do how do we give that

1151
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: to them? Without saying the big deer is the end?

1152
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: You know, the big there's always the end result, always always,

1153
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: and I support that. I'm with you. I want them

1154
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: all too. I desire when I see a big deal there,

1155
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: I lust after that motherfucker like I would marry it,

1156
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: like if it would would like to spend time with me.

1157
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? Bend? So I get it.

1158
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying I don't get that, but

1159
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: like like I said, I mean, I think if if

1160
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: I took my non hunting brother to hunting trade show

1161
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: and he stood and watch that interaction, he would not

1162
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: get the reality of the situation. Yes, in my opinion,

1163
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: I think so. I think that part of our industry

1164
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: could use a little you know, just more of a

1165
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: more of a conversation about that one thing it is.

1166
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: And if you sit in on those conversations with those outfitters,

1167
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: the first thirty seconds they're like, yeah, this is a

1168
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: great example of it here. Yes, and you may may

1169
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: have an opportunity at a buck like that if you

1170
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: come out with me. But they're not behind every tree, right,

1171
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: these are these are prime examples. Right we are putting

1172
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: the best tomatoes in the front of the display. Yes,

1173
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: like that's that's how and you most won't do that.

1174
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: And a lot of the conversations is to sit down

1175
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: like what's the tent camp, Like what's the food? Like, yeah,

1176
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: how long you been doing this? Like you got a family.

1177
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: That's how people have the conversation, you know most of

1178
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: the time, uh, but it's uh but face value, it's like, well,

1179
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: all these folks are just looking to kill big ship.

1180
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: And that's if you walk down the aisles and you

1181
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't like listen into those conversations, you'd be like, this

1182
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: is a this is a and learn horn market. Yes, yep, absolutely,

1183
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: And again like that trophy part of the conversation is

1184
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: such a small part of the conversation. When you're actually

1185
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: booking a hunt with an outfitter and they get through

1186
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: it as fast as possible, they're like, yeah, those animals

1187
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: do exist. Obviously, they're mounted and stuffed and right in

1188
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: front of your face. They do exist. That's a great

1189
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: example of a thing. Yeah, like, but there are no guarantees. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1190
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: so that's the Yeah, that's the one thing is i'd say, like,

1191
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: as our segment concludes what bothers me today, I recently

1192
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: have been bothered by that and I just wanted to

1193
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: tell you nothing will come of it other than that

1194
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: it was something I was thinking about around my um,

1195
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: around my dad's hunt, and like, how is presented to him? Um?

1196
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: All right? We uh, I don't normally do this. I

1197
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: might have done it one at a time, but we

1198
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: asked for questions for you and for me from I

1199
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: got some and they're pretty good, pretty good. This one

1200
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: is from Meat Eating Canadian. Are there any specific bones

1201
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: from large game that we can use for stock slash

1202
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: broth if we find out our animal has c w D?

1203
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: Or should they be left alone all together to c

1204
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 1: w D being chronic wasting disease? Of course? Yeah? Yeah,

1205
01:14:54,760 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: I think if you are really following the whole in

1206
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: total guidelines, you want to discard those bones, um, whatever

1207
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: they may be, but certainly the spinal column and the

1208
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: head um ian the same place that you got that deer,

1209
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: So don't travel around with them and unfortunately, don't make

1210
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: stock with them. Yeah, yeah, I think that's you've heard

1211
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: you You hear all kinds of reactions to it, right,

1212
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty specific example. There's CWD hanging around,

1213
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: and I have a deer that's tested positive for it.

1214
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: Really no, I don't want him to say I have

1215
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: will actually say. I say they, Um, Green Ridge State

1216
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: Forest that I hunting and growing up, there was c

1217
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: w D in that county. Um, a big outbreak CTD

1218
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: and they cut the deer tags down for for some

1219
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: years around that. Um that's my only experience, but we

1220
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of just squid hunting up there, Yeah, for a

1221
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: couple of years. Of course I moved away at some

1222
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: point during that, but it was less of a thing

1223
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: because of it. So that's I think. Now it's like,

1224
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: we know cwts a thing, we know it's around. What's

1225
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: the what's the appropriate reaction for hunters? Yeah, and I

1226
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 1: do think that's it now. I know I believe that

1227
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: like Department of Natural Resources says, you know, just don't

1228
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: deal with the spinal column or or the brain or

1229
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: anything with spinal fluid um. But if you read some

1230
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: other sources, they tell you to leave all the bones

1231
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: in place. So I would just say, until we get

1232
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: a handle on this, we just you gotta Unfortunately it sucks,

1233
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: but you gotta skip making stock on on that creator.

1234
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,959
Speaker 1: You got to. Yeah, but it's not worth it. It's

1235
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: not worth it. Here's I got some pretty funny ones,

1236
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: but nobody would understand a lot of these questions. We

1237
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: have a whatever Trevor has asking is Montana better than Texas? Uh? Boy,

1238
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: you lived in the state of Texas. You've been there though.

1239
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, in Texan pride is not to be

1240
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: messed with. They you put it on shirts, don't mess

1241
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: with Texas. So I'm not gonna mess with it. I'm

1242
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: not gonna answer that question. No, man. I mean it

1243
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: depends on what you're into. Like barbecue, you like shorts

1244
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: and flip flops, Texas baby, Texas hospitality is a real

1245
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: fantastic As a father of a young child, do you

1246
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: like breweries with playgrounds? Absolutely? I love that And there's

1247
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,480
Speaker 1: copies some aunts of that going on in Texas. Um

1248
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 1: that seems to be similar here in Montana right now.

1249
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: It's very cold outside of Montana. It's very warm outside

1250
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, I mean, variety is the spice lay France.

1251
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: A lot of opportunity us in Texas that you don't

1252
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: have Montana. You've got a lot of opportunities in Montana

1253
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: that you don't have in Texas. Um, you know, try

1254
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: it all. What about spices, the variety of life as

1255
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: a t shirt idea, spice is the variety of life.

1256
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: It's deep, it's not funny. We'll we're gonna, We're not

1257
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: gonna don we never will cut that b shook. Five.

1258
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk tongues. Best tongue recipe. Yeah, So the simple

1259
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: deal with with tongue is it is a tough muscle.

1260
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: So pressure cooker or boil it. Um, and then you

1261
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: can pull the hide of the tongue off and the

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: meat on the inside is really tender and great. And

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: that's a delicate process pulling that hide off the huh

1264
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: it can be if you get the timing right, like

1265
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 1: you cook it long enough, then that meat separates almost

1266
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: on I've screwed that up in the past. Yeah, And

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01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: on a deer tongue, if you're leaving a lot of

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: meat on that high, then you're not left with a

1269
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: lot of meat in real short fashion. So um, and

1270
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: then from there, man, you can do anything you want

1271
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: with that make tacos out of it. Do whatever. I

1272
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: saw tad um when when I collect a lot of them,

1273
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,839
Speaker 1: I saw tam and um green, all of those pimentos, garlic,

1274
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of red wine, um and uh, and

1275
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: I throw some morels in there and then I serve

1276
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: it all on top of polenta and it's real one

1277
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite. I love polenta. I fucking love Morrel's

1278
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: Yes puttle. I was talking in there, and I'm happy

1279
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: Camper coming over. Ye, I live way closer to you know, coming, Yeah,

1280
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: going over. Let's see if we find one more real

1281
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: good one. I got a lot of specifical it's about

1282
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: they're making me laugh, but nothing. Everybody wants to know,

1283
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: like your favorite thing to cook, man, I think your

1284
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: favorite your favorite cut the it's that's just a yeah.

1285
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: It's a tough question because I just really enjoy cooking,

1286
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 1: and it's super fun to try a new stuff, and

1287
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure that you're just like constantly kicking

1288
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: your butt out of that rrupt and all open a

1289
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: cookbook and try something else out to really force myself

1290
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: to do something different, because it's just so easy to

1291
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: cook the same thing. Yeah, I have a problem with

1292
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: that I have a similar thing. I have a major problem.

1293
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: That's the freezer problem that I've had. I've had so

1294
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: much like straps and loins and yes, so Kimi Werner,

1295
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: love her, love her. Yeah, I look her up. You

1296
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: don't know who she is. You better get to it. Yeah,

1297
01:20:53,560 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: and incredible boys for food and harvesting critters. Um and uh.

1298
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: You know, she came over and I gave her a

1299
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: whole meal to your loin to play with and um

1300
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: she cut it up, pounded it thin and and lightly

1301
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: fried it. And I was just like, oh my god,

1302
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: you just ruined my far backstrap of those things. But

1303
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm probably being polite because you're my house guest. And

1304
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: she could tell. She was like, She's like, yeah, are

1305
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: you get And so she's like, listen, I you know,

1306
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: I know food is important to you. It's super important

1307
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: to me. I feel like I disrespected your animal and

1308
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: we had this big heart to heart um and and

1309
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, the reality is I'm just an asshole. And

1310
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that was absolutely phenomenal food. I

1311
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: ate it. I ate all the leftovers yesterday and they

1312
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: were even better than the first night. And I have

1313
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: a surplus of meat. Oh yeah, and I should never

1314
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: think that this has to be cooked this way, and

1315
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was great and just me being set

1316
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: my way as oh we've got yeah, and there's this

1317
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: podcast as that. There's the thing with my wife where

1318
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm always just mean to her about cooking and wild

1319
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: game and I don't want to be awesome person, way

1320
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: better than me almost everything, but I get so pent

1321
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: up about like her cooking the game and maybe it

1322
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: might not be the best it could be. This is

1323
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: how you do this. I turned into a complete idiot. Yes,

1324
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: it comes to that. But I had this antelope loin

1325
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: and I smashed it flat, um, you know, cut it

1326
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 1: into steaks, like good inch and a half inch steaks,

1327
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:02,839
Speaker 1: smashed it down into probably quarter inch steaks, and put

1328
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: a little bit uh. Here's a uh immigrated Texican Jess Priles.

1329
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: She does some cool stuff, cool hardcore hardcover carm and

1330
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: she came out with the game seasoning and I put

1331
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of that on there, and then I

1332
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: put a little Italian bread crumbs on there and just

1333
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: smashed at him and just a little bit like more

1334
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: like seasoning than a breading crust, butter olive oil, big

1335
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: chunks of garlic, got that going until the garlic started

1336
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: brown up, pulled the garlic out, slit the antelope in there,

1337
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: got it of the way, he cooked still on the

1338
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: ross side, pulled it back out through the garlic in

1339
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: their shallots. Uh bunch morales. Uh. They soaked all that

1340
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: butter and olive oil up and cooked and then put

1341
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: the meat back in and had I feel like that

1342
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: should be called scalapini, but I don't want know, so

1343
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, if that sounds like, that sounds right. It

1344
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: was absolutely phenomenal, and I would have just been eating

1345
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful medium rare barbecued anaelopline if I hadn't

1346
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I gotta try something different. So what

1347
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: you're telling people is expand, expand. It's very important to expand,

1348
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: try a new things and screw it up and try again.

1349
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: It is and you're gonna mow through that freezer so

1350
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: much faster if you're excited that, yeah, trying new stuff,

1351
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And there's there's uh that's the way

1352
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: even for me processing game, like do you have muscle groups?

1353
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: You have? It seems pretty straightforward, but sometimes there's little

1354
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 1: things you can do to make it quicker. Make it easier.

1355
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: And those are the things that you remember and you

1356
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: can can pass on to other people. Same with cooking,

1357
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: but you gotta try it first. Yeah. Maybe one time

1358
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: they screw up the shank as you're as you're chopping

1359
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 1: it off, But next time you're gonna know, Yeah, exactly

1360
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: all you learn. Um a lot of mustache queries. How

1361
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: many mustache push ups can you do? Uh? Huh? Mustachts?

1362
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, like, what are some good tips for a

1363
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: nice mustache? Um? Do you have any uh final thoughts

1364
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: around mustaches? Particularly? It bought a thing of mustache wax

1365
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: uh many years ago in uh, you know, the West

1366
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: Coast epicenter of hipster dump, seattle and facial hair. Um,

1367
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: and uh, I still have that tin of mustache wax.

1368
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: So occasionally, like particularly in the winter months and hair

1369
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: growth is really really moving, I'll wax it up just

1370
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. Keep keep my mustache out of my food.

1371
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: But that's that's about all. Have you ever been chewing

1372
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: on a piece of food and thought, well, there's a

1373
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: hair in it and realize that you were only chewing

1374
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: on your own facial hair and that's gross still attached

1375
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to your face? Ye find out to be a problem.

1376
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: Who put this hair? This's gross? Um, all right, I

1377
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: think that's it. I don't I don't see off look again.

1378
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: But thank you. We got seventy eight people commenting ah

1379
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: and asking questions. So thank you for all of those

1380
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: folks who did that. I don't really ever do that,

1381
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: but that's pretty cool. Everybody wrote in thank you for that.

1382
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: What's next for you? Man? What are you doing now?

1383
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Granny's ninetieth birthday? Whoa yep uh Grahama Merryan Walton is

1384
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Yeah, tough, tough old bird and there's no

1385
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: ninety year old week old bird. Yeah. And uh so

1386
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: we're the big family, the clowns getting together, um uh

1387
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow and we're gonna do big food throw down.

1388
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: And I got a whole antelope ham that I threw

1389
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: in the suvied in the in the truck and um

1390
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're gonna throw down for Granny. And then

1391
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm coming back here. I'm joining the crew and flying

1392
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: out to Maryland in my home place. Do you hunt

1393
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: seek a deer? Which is something I've been very excited about.

1394
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, delicious creature, non native but delicious. Yes,

1395
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: there he goes. People are leaving work now, they're like

1396
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: going over to their families and we've totally avoided any moving.

1397
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: That's great, it's really great, well well planned out, well

1398
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: good at some things. Well enjoy Maryland. That's a that's

1399
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: a fun hunt. That's a wonderful deer and we'll look

1400
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: forward to it. Uh the next season of Meat Eater TV. Right,

1401
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: So if you listen to this, go watch Callahan one

1402
01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: season seven and beat either TV. Your freeloaders like, make

1403
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: sure you go and you click on Netflix and watch

1404
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: all the episodes. It'll be I am very excited. I

1405
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: uh started researching this hunt six years ago. Six years

1406
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: ago and Steven Jannie one day they were like, so,

1407
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we can make this happen, but if

1408
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: we could do any hunt you wanted to do, I

1409
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: was like, secret Deer in Maryland. They're like what, they're like,

1410
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: doll sheep. I'm like, dude, Secret Deer in Maryland's got history.

1411
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: There's food, it's cheap, there's public land. It's I'm not

1412
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna say I'll let you guys break the news and

1413
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: the refuge you can go to and do it. I've

1414
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: done it many not many times were growing up. I

1415
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: travel over there and do it here here and there,

1416
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: but it is to be in the roar for the

1417
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: secret deer in this momps of southern Maryland on the

1418
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: eastern shore. It's pretty freaking unique. You're eating oysters, crab

1419
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: cakes and drinking yengling, living the life. So go go,

1420
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: my friend, drain the yengling from the shore and enjoying you.

1421
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: All right, man, Thank you, thanks much. That's it. That's all,

1422
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: Episode number thirty one of the podcast in the books.

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01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Thank you once again to Mr Ryan Callahan for hanging

1424
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: out and listening to some of the things that bothered

1425
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: me and asking some of his own questions about what

1426
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: we've got going on at meat Eater Incorporated. Right now.

1427
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: All that said, again, will reiterate all the hunting collected content.

1428
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna live on the meat Easier dot com. Go

1429
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: to the listen tab to listen to all of these podcasts.

1430
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: You can go to my tributer page to read all

1431
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: the articles and just poke around and read some stuff

1432
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: from Mark Kenyon, Why are to Hunt? April Vokey from

1433
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: anchored at dirtke and chef at Ward Garcia, a bunch

1434
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: of other folks that are contributed, including of course Steve Rinnella.

1435
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: It's been fun to launch this and it's been even

1436
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: better to talk to you about it because we've been

1437
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: wanting to do that for quite some time. So thanks

1438
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: to everybody who uh wrote in and texted and called

1439
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: and reacted to our launch uh two weeks ago now

1440
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: and our why why we do what we do? And

1441
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: so we are in Montana. We are stationed, we are

1442
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: in an empty office. We're currently putting furniture in um

1443
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: wording to start this journey that is meeting and incorporated

1444
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: and hunting collective as a partnership. So that is it.

1445
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: Next podcast will be also we lovely Montana, so stay

1446
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: tuned with us. We'll be right back at you next Tuesday.

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01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: Bye m