WEBVTT - Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on 2024 Election

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<v Speaker 1>Podcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm your host, ramses.

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<v Speaker 2>Job, he is Ramsy's jah, I am q Ward. You

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<v Speaker 2>are tuned into Civic Scypher.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed you are, and today to say we have a

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<v Speaker 1>special guest, that would be an understated gross understates absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but we only have this special guest for a small

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time, and so normally where we would go

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<v Speaker 1>through all of the pleasantries of you know, hitting our

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<v Speaker 1>segments and features and so forth, We're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>cut to the chase and get right to the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We are joined today by the one and only Eric Holder,

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<v Speaker 1>the former US Attorney General during the Obama administration and

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<v Speaker 1>the first African American to become deputy Attorney General in

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<v Speaker 1>US history. He is currently Senior council at Covington and Berling,

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<v Speaker 1>where he successfully tries discrimination lawsuits and has represented several

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<v Speaker 1>life sciences companies in litigation and investigations. Eric Holder, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. We appreciate you spending some time with

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<v Speaker 1>us today.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I want to thank you all so much for

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<v Speaker 3>having me. I'm looking forward to the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were lucky enough to be in the same

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<v Speaker 2>room with you recently. Talk to us about campaigning in

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<v Speaker 2>the swing state of Arizona for the Harris Walls campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and what that experience has been like for you thus far.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure. I was in Phoenix, I guess probably about ten

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen days ago, and it was a great experience, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of enthusiasm there, a lot of people I think,

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<v Speaker 3>really anxious to start voting. And now early voting has

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<v Speaker 3>actually started in Arizona. So I want people to make

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<v Speaker 3>a plan and to vote early in person. You can

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<v Speaker 3>do it now and do it by mail. Go to

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<v Speaker 3>Iowa vote dot com if you have any questions about that.

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<v Speaker 3>But Arizona plays a particularly important role this year. There

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<v Speaker 3>are seven states that are going to decide this election.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been quoted as saying, you know, Kama Harris is

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<v Speaker 3>going to win by She's going to get five million

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<v Speaker 3>more votes than Donald Trump, but that doesn't mean she's

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<v Speaker 3>going to win the election. It's going to be decided

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<v Speaker 3>seven states. In Arizona is one of those states, and

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<v Speaker 3>so people have to get out and vote. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think black folks have to make sure that they get

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<v Speaker 3>out and vote, because so much of what is of

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<v Speaker 3>concern to us is going to be decided about who

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<v Speaker 3>the next president is. And we know who Donald Trump is,

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<v Speaker 3>and we also know now who Kamala Harris is. The

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<v Speaker 3>choice could not be more stark. And so I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that all Arizona's and especially African Americans who live in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 3>will get to the polls as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, Now, Now I want to ask you a question,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as someone who has you know, your level

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<v Speaker 1>of insight and oversight on the topics like these, what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of things have the voters in Arizona been particularly

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<v Speaker 1>interested in? Or what sort of things should Arizona's voters

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<v Speaker 1>be interested in?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I think that's a really good question,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think, you know, people need to make an

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<v Speaker 3>intellectual decision here the factor in some degree of emotion.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you know, people have been focused in

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona and other places around reproductive rights, around protecting the

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<v Speaker 3>right to vote, around issues related to the climate. These

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<v Speaker 3>are all the kinds of things that you see motivating

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<v Speaker 3>people that people have talked to me about as I've

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<v Speaker 3>gone around the country, and certainly what I heard, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when I was in when I was in Arizona. So

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<v Speaker 3>I would think those are the kinds of things. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that in Arizona you've got, you know, some

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<v Speaker 3>down bout measures that you've got to focus on as

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<v Speaker 3>well that kind of demonstrate again what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the state Supreme Court there decided to keep

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<v Speaker 3>in place an abortion band that goes back to the

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<v Speaker 3>Civil War. Arizona's are going to have the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>say to Clint Bollock and Catherine King, to Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 3>justices that they shouldn't stay on the court. They have

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<v Speaker 3>it's called the retention elect you can say that they shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans in Arizona, sixty six percent of the people serve

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<v Speaker 3>in the state legislation in Arizona believe that Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>didn't win the twenty twenty election. Their election deniers, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you can vote them out of office as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But those kinds of things, democracy, protection of democracy issues,

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<v Speaker 3>reproductive rights, climate, the protection of voting rights. These are

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<v Speaker 3>all the things that people have been focused on around

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<v Speaker 3>the country and in particular in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've seen some added focus on the state of Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>so we know that Arizona is pivotal with this upcoming election.

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<v Speaker 2>We noticed that former President Obama will be in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Arizona this week, and on a recent appearance,

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<v Speaker 2>President Obama made some remarks regarding black men. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I quote, part of it makes me think, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to men directly, part of it makes me think that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman

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<v Speaker 2>as president, and you're coming up with other alternatives and

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<v Speaker 2>other reasons for that. Now, do you have any thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on those statements by former President Obama?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he was expressing a concern that he had.

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<v Speaker 3>My hope would be that those marks made people and

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<v Speaker 3>men in particular, think about, well, you know, if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not for Kamala or if I'm thinking about voting for Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what's this all about. And you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you look at Donald Trump and if you're black, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to remember this is a guy who labeled Barack

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<v Speaker 3>Obama as not being born in the United States. That

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<v Speaker 3>was racist. You know, he was a birth he started

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff. He was also the person who wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>execute the Central part five, those five innocent young black

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<v Speaker 3>men charged improperly in New York. You know, many years

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<v Speaker 3>ago his company would refuse to rent to black tenants,

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<v Speaker 3>had to be sued by the Justice Department. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>who Donald Trump is. If you look at what Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris has said about her agenda for black men, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a million small business loans, FI giving up to twenty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars to black entrepreneurs. She's championing education, training, mentorship

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<v Speaker 3>programs to help black men to get good, good paying jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Focusing on health issues that are particular concern to black men,

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<v Speaker 3>prostate cancer, mental health, you know, diabetes, and then legalizing

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<v Speaker 3>marijuana and making sure that African Americans have the ability

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<v Speaker 3>to succeed in this new marijuana industry. So you compare,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, who Donald Trump is what Kamala Harris is proposing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the choice is is a difficult one.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Brock was trying to say that if

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<v Speaker 3>you're having doubts, you know, look at the facts, look

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<v Speaker 3>at the facts, and make a decision based on those

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<v Speaker 3>facts and then vote early. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let's go with voting early, because you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that earlier and I made a note of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>also you and I were talking before you came on,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were checking with each other to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we had both voted early. Talk to us a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the importance of early voting, like what impact

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<v Speaker 1>does that have and why should people vote early if

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for me, I always vote early because it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a protection thing. You know, there's a problem with my ballot,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to find out about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if I've not filled in something correctly, if I for

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<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, didn't bring the necessary I D with me,

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<v Speaker 3>I find out about it, you know, that day, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I have the ability to come back, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days and make sure that my ballot

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<v Speaker 3>is actually cast. So I think it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>protective thing. And to you know, Republicans try to make

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<v Speaker 3>it difficult for certain people to vote. In African Americans

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<v Speaker 3>to vote, They come up with all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to see it, make make sure they have

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<v Speaker 3>your necessary I D. And make sure that you're in

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<v Speaker 3>the appropriate place. And if you have questions again go

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<v Speaker 3>to I will vote dot com. But I think voting

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<v Speaker 3>early ensure is that you also have the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>decide when it is you're going to vote. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're doing something on election day. Your hours at

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<v Speaker 3>work will not allow you to be at the polls

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<v Speaker 3>on election day. You know, voting early or voting voting

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<v Speaker 3>by mail allows you to you know, work, voting in

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<v Speaker 3>which is really important around the other parts of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing that really drives me the most is

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<v Speaker 3>that protective notion that I get to the polls, if

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<v Speaker 3>there any see that my ballot is accepted, is there

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<v Speaker 3>any issues I can come back, you know, later in

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<v Speaker 3>the day or the next day and make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>my vote is actually accepted by the system and then

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<v Speaker 3>is ultimately counted before we let you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You touched on this a little bit already. When we

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<v Speaker 2>are headed to the ballot box and we are about

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<v Speaker 2>to cast our vote. Some of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>should consider making an intellectual choice, of course, but of course,

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<v Speaker 2>as you stated, there is some emotion involved. Recently, Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President Harris announced a new Opportunity Agenda for black men.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about some of the ways that could impact people

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<v Speaker 2>who are still trying to make up their mind about

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<v Speaker 2>how they should vote men in particular in this election, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, as I was saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this notion of small business loans to focus on help

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<v Speaker 3>black entrepreneurs, mentorship education programs, focusing on the health of

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<v Speaker 3>black men, and and then coming up with ways in

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<v Speaker 3>which you allow African Americans, particularly men to be engaged in,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the legalized marijuana industry. I mean, that's that's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of that's where her specific opportunity agenda

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<v Speaker 3>is for African American men. But I but I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you have to look at at at her record.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've heard some people in the community say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a prosecutor. Well, guess what, you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutor or. I was a prosecutor. But the question is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what kind of prosecutor are you? And I'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to think of myself in the same way that

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<v Speaker 3>I think of of Comma, as somebody who used the

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<v Speaker 3>power that we had to go after people who did

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<v Speaker 3>negative things in our community while making sure that our

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<v Speaker 3>people were treated were treated fairly and equitably in a

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<v Speaker 3>criminal justice system that too often has turned its back

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<v Speaker 3>on black folks. You know, I was proud of the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that when I was in the Justice Department, that

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<v Speaker 3>we had a drop in the crime rate, and we

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<v Speaker 3>also have the smallest number of people in the criminal

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<v Speaker 3>federal prison system that we had in forty years. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's the kind of things that I did, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>consistent with the way in which Kamala conducted herself. And

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<v Speaker 3>what we have to always remember is that I want

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<v Speaker 3>people to be treated fairly in the criminal justice system,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't want people in the criminal justice system

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<v Speaker 3>at all if I can possibly help it. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what she has tried to focus on herself, to try

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<v Speaker 3>to come up with ways in which you prevent people

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<v Speaker 3>from becoming involved in the system. And always remember that

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<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of African Americans are nothing more than

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<v Speaker 3>law abiding folks who simply want to do the things

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<v Speaker 3>that every American wants to do, you know, send your

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<v Speaker 3>kid to school safely, make sure feel safe in your house.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she is about protecting people, but also making

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<v Speaker 3>sure that people who become engaged in the system are

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<v Speaker 3>treated fairly and with dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I think that it's really

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<v Speaker 1>critical that we doubled down on that because, in our

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<v Speaker 1>opinion and our estimation, the easiest way to change the

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<v Speaker 1>system is to do it from the inside, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or do it from the top down. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be consistent with you know, your legacy as

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, and Kamala Harris's legacy as well, you know, Ramseys.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that is a really important point. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>came out of law school, that was a question that

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<v Speaker 3>I had asked myself. You know, how did I think

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<v Speaker 3>I could have the best the greatest impact. I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>kid of the sixths, you know, so I was demonstrating

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<v Speaker 3>taking over buildings, you know, all that kind of stuff. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>and how how could I best impact the system? And

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<v Speaker 3>the determination I made was to go if I was

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<v Speaker 3>a prosecutor, a person in law enforcement making law enforcement decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>that I could have a greater impact than if I

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<v Speaker 3>was a defense attorney just representing the interest of one person. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>defense attorneys are extremely important, you know, and they play

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<v Speaker 3>a huge important role in the system, but you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to have good pricecutors were making sure that the right

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<v Speaker 3>people get charged with the right crimes, asking for appropriate sentences,

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<v Speaker 3>and then so also making determinations about even if somebody

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<v Speaker 3>is arrested, a case should not be brought against that person,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, I think Kamala believed the same thing,

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<v Speaker 3>that that's the way in which we could have the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest impact on making the criminal justice to said system,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, more fair than it historically has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And I appreciate you saying that. You said

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<v Speaker 1>that much better than I ever could. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>we are over on time. We appreciate the extra couple

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<v Speaker 1>of minutes with you. I know you have to run,

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<v Speaker 1>but before we let you go, I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I say it as often as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump did not send you twelve hundred dollars. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a Democratic Congress that sent you that twelve hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump held up that twelve hundred dollars because he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted his name on the check. And if you think

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump went to his bank and took that

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<v Speaker 1>money out and sent it to your house, you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>right into his hand. Is for everybody listening, want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that you know that Eric Holder appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to talk with us. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>joy and an honor. Indeed, this is something we've very

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<v Speaker 1>much been looking forward to. So thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for taking the time. Once again our guest today, former

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<v Speaker 1>US Attorney General during the Obama administration, the one, the

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<v Speaker 1>only Eric Holder.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks for having me and you all are doing

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<v Speaker 3>a great job. I am extremely proud of you two

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<v Speaker 3>young men. You all are doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, brother, We appreciate you. Man