1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mom. Suzanne 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Simpson is seen arguing with her husband outside their elite, 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: argy old country club. The neighbor after that here's screams 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: outside is convinced that Suzanne everything suddenly goes quiet. She's 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: never seen again in the Last Days, another development in 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: the search for Suzanne. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. In the last Days. 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Brad Simpson has filed a motion to quash a hearing 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: It was set for thirty days in connection with wife 10 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Suzanne's murder case. Still no body. Brad Simpson, the husband Surprise. 11 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: The husband Simpson, an almost part ma'am, is believed to 12 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: have murdered his wife last year. The discovery hearing was 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: originally scheduled in Judge Joel Pettis's four hundred and thirty 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: seventh District Court, but now Brad Simpson wants to quash it. 15 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: What is quash mean? Basically kick it out of court? 16 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know about Suzanne's disappearance and where 17 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: is she or her body? 18 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: They met in college at the University of Texas. 19 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: Nice guy, charismatic, engaging. 20 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 3: You know Suzanne was a little tiny thing, but. 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 4: For Suzanne, it wasn't perfect time. 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: It's just tragic. 23 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 5: Man. 24 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine she didn't deserve that at all. 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: If just the thought of Suzanne's body out decomposing in 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: a trash site or a disposal site, it's getting worse. 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: The hand held reciprocating Saul belonging to the husband absolutely 28 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: has his Anne Simpson's DNA on it. Why why would 29 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: that be there? Take a listen to what the almost 30 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: pdchief had to say. 31 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 6: So we're holding out hope that maybe, you know, maybe 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 6: she's trying to be away from the home, to get 33 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 6: away from that situation. That's not totally uncommon, but what 34 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 6: is uncommon. What is unusual is that this was a 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 6: woman who worked and was very dependable, and loved her 36 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 6: children and was always in contact with her children and 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 6: her family and her friends. We would love for her 38 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 6: to be alive. Obviously, there's nothing concrete that says she's 39 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 6: not alive. And again, I owe it to the family, 40 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 6: We all owe it to the family to speak of 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 6: her in a way where other people have been found, 42 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 6: like I said, injured and distressed, lost, troubled, hiding away. 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: All of those things are possible now. 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: From our friends at WAI joining me an all star 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we are learning right now. 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: This is not the update I wanted to report to 47 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: you tonight. 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: For a first out to Zachary Taylor right joining us, 49 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: a trending digital reporter with my essay, my san Antonio. 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Zachary, thank you so much for being with us. 51 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: Explain to me how the husband's reciprocating saw. 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: You know what? Just pause, Zachary. I want to hear 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: everything you've got to say. 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: But for people that don't know what a reciprocating saw is, 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: let me go to doctor Kendall Crown's joining us, the 56 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: chief medical Examiner in Tarrett County, that's Fort Worth, the 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Texas Jurisdiction esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine TCU, 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown, thank you so much for being with us. 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Before I get into your usual topics, and that is 60 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the discovery of bodies. What you can tell from bodies, 61 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: what you can tell from an autopsy? Could you explain 62 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: and demonstrate what is a reciprocating saw. 63 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 7: Certainly so, reciprocating saws are saws that use a blade. 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: They actually have. 65 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 7: My here is a large, fairly large saw. It has 66 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 7: a blade that goes backwards in the forwards, which is 67 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 7: the reciprocating movement of the saw. And they can be 68 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 7: used to cut through metal, wood, bone, tissue, you name it. 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 7: They use them in the meat cutting industry to cut 70 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 7: a part cattle. 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: Hold on, let me see that again. Could you turn 72 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: that on one more time? Doctor Kimlin. Crown's sure, Jeff 73 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: Horny is joining me, right, I heard it, Thank you. 74 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Horny is with us right now, joining us from 75 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: San Antonio, longtime friend of both Suzanne and Brad Simpson, 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: her husband, Jeff Horny. 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how you can sit there and look 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: at that saw. 79 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: It looks like a giant version of the electric knife 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: people use at Thanksgiving and Christmas to cut a turkey 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: or a roast or something. 82 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: Sure he knew what he was doing. Look at that knowing, Suzanne. 83 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: It's terrible. 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: And disgusting actually, And. 85 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: He's a hunter. 86 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: You know, if you've used one of those saws, you 87 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: know that it's not real clean. It doesn't just make 88 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: a beautiful clean cut. And yes, I saw him in 89 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: the courtroom and he looked like he'd been doing push 90 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: ups for months. You know, he looks like a thug, 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: is what he looks like, what he's turned out to be. 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: So it's sad man. 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: We were talking to Jeff Horny, who's been a longtime 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: friend of not only Susanne the missing mom, but the husband. 95 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: Zacharychell are right, thank you for holding a trending digital 96 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: reporter with my sa my san Antonio. Zachary again, thank 97 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want to backtrack just 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a moment. You know, I just heard Jeff Horny state 99 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: that the husband, who is presumed innocent under the law, 100 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: these are just allegations right now, Zachary, I don't know 101 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: how him being a hunter has anything to do with 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: his wife's DNA being on a reciprocating so oh I do. 103 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: I do know the connection he made. He was making 104 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: the connection that the saw could be let me just 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: say contaminated or still caked with animal detried us from 106 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: prior hunting trips. I don't know a nice way to 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: say it. That's why I'm searching for the words. But 108 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Zachary Taylor right, tell me how and where this reciprocating 109 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: saw it was discovered? 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: So the reciprocating saw was discovered in Brett's possession and 111 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 4: their believe in their family home, but it was hidden away, 112 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: which is part of his accusations against him, is that 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: he attempted to conceal it from investigators, and of course 114 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 4: the DNA did link back to Susannah. 115 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: Zachary, you stated that the DNA is found on. 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: Simpson's saw, but where was the saw? 117 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: The pacificatting saw was found in Brad Simpson's toolbox. 118 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: You know, Zachary Taylor right joining us from my San Antonio. Zachary, 119 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: I understand that the husband, Brad Simpson, tried to hide 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the saw absolutely. 121 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: So that's part of the accusations made against him, is 122 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: that he attempted to conceal the saw from investigators initially, 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: and so when they were able to find it and 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: link it back to Suzanne, they charged him with tempering 125 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: with evidence. 126 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: Well, if it's right there in his toolbox, I don't 127 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: understand how he's trying to hide it. I'm certainly not 128 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: taking his side. But you know, Ben Power is joining me, 129 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: high profile defense attorney at Legal Powers. 130 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: Ben, the worst thing. 131 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: You can do if this ever makes it to a 132 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: jury is for the prosecutor to state something in opening 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: statements like. 134 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: Yes, and he tried to hide the saw. 135 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: And then it comes out that he didn't, because if 136 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: you're wrong as a prosecutor on one fact, it taints 137 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: everything else. 138 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: It takes your good facts. 139 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: And you stand up in front of a jury and 140 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: you say he tried to hide the saw, because you 141 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: know what the hiding part is the big indicator that 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: something the fairius has occurred. Being powers, how do I 143 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: know she didn't try to use the saw one time 144 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: and cut her finger on I mean, it could be 145 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: a million things, but the fact that he then tried 146 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to hide it puts it in a whole another light 147 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: been powers. 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I think it's important that if you're 149 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 5: going to use the accusation that he tried to hide 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 5: the saw and it turns out his toolbox. Obviously where 151 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: that toolbox was found, and the key to having it 152 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 5: is trying to hide it. But I agree with that. 153 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 5: You just said you don't want to lose credibility with 154 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 5: jury overstating or trying to extend your proof beyond what 155 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: your proof actually can show. And so I think the 156 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 5: importance for the saw in this context is how it's 157 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 5: thread in the larger tapestry of the story, So I 158 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 5: wouldn't unnecessarily try to extend it past its value, which 159 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 5: is her dnage on the saw. And for the state, 160 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 5: that's a good facts and defense. That's certainly a problem 161 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 5: we're going to have to address the trial. 162 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Let me nail this down, Zachary, tail all right? If 163 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: the saw with his wife's DNA on it, and you 164 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: know another thing I got to find out, Zachary, and 165 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: we may not know it yet. 166 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: Is it blood? Because just go with me for a moment. 167 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: Do I believe this is true? 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 6: No? 169 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: Could one's or believe it absolutely? What if she was 170 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: using a saw and she cut herself through it? I 171 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: believe this luxury real estate mom was out working with 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: a reciprocating saw. No, I don't, okay, but. 173 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: That is a legitimate argument to be made to a jury. 174 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: Or Zachary. 175 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: What if it is bone, Now that's a whole another 176 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: can of worms. What if it is hair, hair, scalp, 177 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: It could be a number of things that would clearly 178 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: tell a jury that the saw was used on her 179 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: to dismember her. So, hey, I gotta nail down is 180 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: it true? He tried to hide it. And you know what, Zachary, 181 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. 182 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: We already know he asked a friend. As a matter 183 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: of fact, I believe you told me this. He asked 184 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: a friend to hide a gun, and the friend hid 185 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: the gun in a false wall, and the gun was found, 186 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: and the friend, of course blabbed, he told me to 187 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: hide it. So we know he has a track record 188 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: of hiding evidence. Now that's one thing, but that doesn't 189 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: prove to me he tried to hide this saw. I 190 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: need to know how did he try to hide the saw? 191 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: Where are we getting that? 192 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: So that comes directly from the charges against him. But 193 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: we don't have the exact details on where police found 194 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: the saw, other than it being in his toolbox. So 195 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: your plants are completely accurate. And we also don't know 196 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: precisely what DNA they found on the saw. 197 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 198 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Brad Simpson moving to quash a hearing set in connection 199 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: with his wife Suzanne's murder. Judge Padez had initially set 200 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: a thirty day window for the hearing to occur as 201 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: evidence from the Texas Rangers is still being collected. I 202 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: hope that includes her body, but as of yet nobody 203 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: has been found. Now, as the state's attorneys continue to 204 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: gather evidence, the Texas Rangers still conducting investigation translation looking 205 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: for her body. Simpson's lawyer said they had enough evidence 206 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: to proceed with a motion to quash the indictment. That's right, 207 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: throw out the indictment. The judge offered Simpson's lawyers a thirty, 208 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: sixty or ninety day option for the next hearing. Of course, 209 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: they're sticking with a thirty day window, holding the state's 210 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: feet to the fire to get the evidence to move forward. Now, 211 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: if they were smart, I think that file for emotion 212 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: for speedy trial and make the state go forward without 213 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: a body. You can't be held indefinitely under the constitution 214 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: waiting for trial. That's why we have the right to 215 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: a speedy trial under our constitution. Typically, a speedy trial 216 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: is within the term or the next two terms of 217 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: the indictment being handed down. A term in most jurisdictions 218 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: is about three months. Every three to four months, a 219 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: new grand jury is impaneled, which would mean a speedy trial. 220 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Demand would guarantee a trial within let's say three six 221 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: nine months ish from the day of the indictment. What 222 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: is in that discovery? What do we know about Susan's disappearance? 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: Brians Gibbons joining me. 224 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: Brian is the director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, 225 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: who leads teams of investigators all around the country trying 226 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: to find missing people. Brian, just go with me for 227 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: a moment. The saw in the toolbox, that's not damning, 228 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: that's not incriminating. 229 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: That means nothing to me. 230 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: I need to know it kind of what part of DNA, 231 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: What type of DNA is it? 232 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: For instance, if it's hair and scalp, it's over for him. 233 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: If it's just a little blood, well that could have 234 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: an innocent explanation. Not that I believe it, but it could. 235 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: So what about this, Brian? If the toolbox itself, we 236 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: know the saw is in the toolbox, But if the 237 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: toolbox itself, let's just say, was buried in the backyard, Okay, 238 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: that indicates nefarious intent. If it was flung in a river, 239 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: we have to know more facts before we can just 240 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: blurt out it was hit. 241 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, As Attorney Ben Powers just said, we're looking at 242 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 8: a whole tapestry of things laid out in this charging document. 243 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 8: So where it was concealed, how it was concealed is 244 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 8: certainly going to come out later. But there was a 245 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 8: reason that investigators put that in the documents. Okay, we 246 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 8: see him concealing the cell phone, we see him concealing 247 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 8: the guns. Now we read about him concealing the saw. 248 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 8: They're laying out a pattern of behavior from Brad Simpson. 249 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: Here. 250 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: You know, Ryan, I gave up cursing, or I said 251 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: I was giving up cursing when I had the twins. 252 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: But on this special special occasion, let me just say, 253 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: they damn well better show me later because Karen Start 254 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: joining me renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert. You can 255 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: find her at karenstart dot com. Karen, you know I 256 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: live through the Ja Simpson trial, Mayhey Rottenhill. 257 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 9: One little beauty thing, the glove, one little beauty thing, 258 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 9: And I guarantee you, Karen Stark, if I could have 259 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 9: gotten that courtroom and gone up to Simpson, I would have. 260 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: Gotten that glove on his hand, no question. But one thing, 261 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: that one thing tainted the whole case. It messed up 262 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the whole case. Like here, if the state says he 263 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: hit it, and then you can't prove he hit it 264 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: a technical legal term, they're screwed. 265 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 10: You know, I would think, Nancy, that they would not 266 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 10: say that he was tampering with the evidence or hiding 267 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 10: it unless there was actually a reason. 268 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: Stop. Brother Kimmel. 269 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: Crowns is demonstrating what a reciprocating handheld saw is. Does 270 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: that come with another blade, a detachable blade? 271 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 7: Yes, it comes with multiple different blades depending on what 272 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 7: you're trying to saw up. It can come with ones 273 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 7: that'll work on a metal. It also comes with ones 274 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 7: that'll trim trees, things of that nature. 275 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 11: So, for those of you just joining US medical examiner, 276 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 11: doctor Kendall Crowns is demonstrating a reciprocating saw. 277 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, thank you, doctor Crowns. 278 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, to Zachary Taylor Wright, the big bombshell tonight 279 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: is that Suzanne's DNA is found on that reciprocating saw. 280 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: But there is other evidence that's extremely disturbing. 281 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: The problem with a reciprocating saw is that in the leading. 282 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: Up to tonight, we were looking for a body because 283 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: nobody wouldn't you agree, Jeff Horney, There's no way Suzann 284 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: would have stayed away from her children this long. 285 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely not, So that. 286 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: Means we're looking for a body. 287 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: But now that the reciprocating saw has entered the scene 288 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: with her DNA on it, that means he has very 289 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: likely been dismembered. Is going to make the discovery of 290 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: her remains much more difficult. 291 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: What does that mean to a prosecutor? 292 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: That means this may very well be a no body case, 293 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: as in, there will never be a body discovered. But 294 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: what else do we know? Zachary Taylor right. 295 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: Joining us from my San Antonio. 296 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: We were just describing Brad Simpson going out for a 297 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: what a Burger? He certainly did not lose his appetite 298 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: in light of his wife missing. Now I know I'm 299 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: projecting Zachary Taylor right. 300 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: But when I learned my fiance. 301 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: Had been murdered, I lost down to eighty nine pounds. 302 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: The thought of food literally made me sick, nauseous, and 303 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: I went so long. I remember the first thing I ingested, 304 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: and it was orange juice and something my mom had 305 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: in the fridge. 306 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: So I know that's just my experience. 307 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: But when I hear about Brad Simpson in the middle 308 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: of his wife missing, pigging out at what a Burger, 309 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink. 310 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: Or a dietitian, but that just doesn't sit right with me. 311 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't know exactly what he purchased at 312 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: Waburger so far, but we do know that he did, 313 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: in fact stop at Waterburger with some we'll say, suspicious 314 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 4: items in his trunk that he later unloaded after making 315 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: two separate stops. And we also know, according to the 316 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: restaurant off A David, he's accused of burning the couple 317 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: of electronics as well out of Benderah home. 318 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: First of all, he puts his phone in quote lockdown mode, 319 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Gibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. I don't know 320 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: what lockdown mode means. I guess that means like airplane mode. 321 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 8: Right, this is going to go, This is going to 322 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 8: go one step beyond that, Nancy. So once that phone 323 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 8: enters lockdown mode, you have no data being transmitted from 324 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 8: that phone to the cloud, to any towers. So tracking 325 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 8: Brad Simpson's movements with the phone would become nearly impossible 326 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 8: at that point. 327 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: Ben Power is joining me, high profile lawyer with legal powers. 328 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: Ben kind of reminds me of Brian Coberger. Just so happens, 329 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: he turns his phone off exactly the time the four 330 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: University Idahos students are murdered in their beds. 331 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: What a coink you think, Ben? 332 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 5: I do agree that turing off his phone is certainly 333 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: not a practice of the defense. 334 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: You know. 335 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 5: It definitely is consistent with trying to have his activities 336 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 5: where he's going, what he's doing. There are other layers 337 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 5: of allegations in the war and against him the show. 338 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 5: He's pretty active after the altercation that he had of 339 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 5: Suzanne and the activity involved on the home depot to 340 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 5: get different items like trash bags, tarts, concrete buckets, things 341 00:19:59,600 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 5: like that. 342 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: There is a discovery we talk about lockdown, Ben Powers, 343 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: Ben Powers, the phone being put in lockdown mode? Is 344 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: that the same thing as airplane mode? Or is it 345 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: something more? 346 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: What is it? 347 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 5: It's something more. It's something that's intended to avoid hitting 348 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 5: those things on the towers so that he could conceal 349 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 5: his movements. Okay, the thing I guess he wasn't baking 350 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: on his car head GPS line as well. So kind 351 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 5: of idiot defeated the purpose of what he hoped to achieve. 352 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, Ben Powers, would you agree that at this 353 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: juncture in our technological world, A jury is going to 354 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: view putting your phone in airplane mode or lockdown as 355 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: being as bad as placing. 356 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: You at the scene. 357 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if he had at any sense at all, 358 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: he would have left his phone on at his home, 359 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: but instead he put it in lockdown. So I think 360 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: it has a very nefarious or sinister connotation to juries 361 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: because jury's didn't just fall off the turnip truck, Ben Powers, 362 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: they don't have their phone in lockdown. 363 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: They may not even know how. 364 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: To find lockdown on their phone, so that is going 365 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: to signal to them that something sinister was happening. 366 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: And I agree that the problem the state still has 367 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: got to have is that's all peers that would come 368 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 5: in after the fact, after the allegation that he killed Suzanne. 369 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: They don't have anything before. They don't have any premeditations, 370 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 5: any planning before. This is all posts and so they're 371 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 5: still going to have a problem with establishing, you know, 372 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 5: with this avoluntary manslaughter. 373 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Ben Powers, You're right, they've got a problem. 374 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 375 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: Apparently, evidence from the Texas Rangers is taking longer than 376 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: anyone expected to be received by the state. The prosecution 377 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: stillating on forensic testing to be completed. 378 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Prosecutors say they expect. 379 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: To have five to six terabytes of evidence originating from 380 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers, and let me tell you something, those rangers 381 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: don't play. Meanwhile, the defense says it's got about one 382 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: terabyte of discovery it still needs to go through before 383 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: moving forward with their motion to quash the indictment. Okay, 384 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo about when we're 385 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: going to have a hearing and. 386 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: Will the indictment be quashed. 387 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now that indictment is not 388 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: going to be quashed, okay, just because there's not a body. 389 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: From what we know, circumstantial evidence indicates that Brad Simpson 390 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: was arguing with his wife and grabbing her or pulling 391 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: her by her arm outside their home. After the argument 392 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: outside the country club, a scream occurred from Susanne and 393 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: then everything went quiet. Now she's missing. I guess a 394 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: jury can add two plus two to get four. That 395 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: indictment is not going to be just because there is 396 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: only circumstantial evidence. But actually we don't know what all 397 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: the evidence is yet because all the discovery has not 398 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: been assimilated by Texas Rangers and handed over to prosecutors. 399 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: So we don't know what there is. There could be 400 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot more, but what do we know. You know, Jeff, 401 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: how exactly do you know them? Who did you know first? 402 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: I knew Suzanne first and then I met I met 403 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: Brad after that, before they even know each other. 404 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: So how would you describe him? 405 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: You know, he was a different dude. He was a 406 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: little weird, a little different, but you know he was 407 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: he was always uh, you know, smiling and and I'll 408 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: be honest with you that being a year younger than me, 409 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: I didn't see him a lot. The only time I 410 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: saw him was back at the frat house and everybody 411 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 3: was drinking beer and and you know, doing doing what 412 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: we do there. So you know, I've spent a summer 413 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: with Brad before his freshman year, you know, rushing our 414 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: fraternity and getting to know him and trying to get him. 415 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: To Okay, Well, I don't need to hear about rush season. 416 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: What I want to hear about, Jeff Horny is when 417 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: you said he was odd. That's what I want to 418 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: hear about. You know the old quote everyone is odd. 419 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: But me and the and I think the a bit 420 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: queer at times. 421 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: What that means h and everyday parlance is everybody thinks 422 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: everybody else is weird but themselves. Okay, So when you 423 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: say he was odd, you just can't put that out 424 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: there and leave it hanging. 425 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: What did he do that was odd? 426 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: Well, he never went anywhere with Suzanne. She was always 427 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 3: by herself, football games, by yourself, to watch her daughter's 428 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: chair parties herself. Never Brad was was was very rarely there. 429 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: Uh So that was that was that was odd to me. 430 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what else you want me 431 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: to say. 432 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: I I I was around. 433 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: I was around them because I Suzanne was a friend 434 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: of mine. You know, she's the one that would call 435 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: me and invite me to their parties. I wasn't you know, 436 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: Brad would not call me and invite me. Uh he 437 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: he is a you know again, the the the community 438 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: is is a uh a party driven community. 439 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: You know. 440 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: There was a lot of partying and alcohol. And there's 441 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 3: this group of mainly Alamo Heights men that raised money 442 00:25:54,560 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: for underprivileged folks and they they the cavaliers is what 443 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 3: they're called. And he was a cavalier. So you know, 444 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: he had some good qualities. I think, you know, I 445 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: think he might have been an okay father and took 446 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 3: his kids hunting and fishing. I just know he was 447 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 3: not a very good husbook. 448 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that allegedly murdering the mother of your 449 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: children qualifies as being a good father. 450 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: Hey, Zachary Taylor, right, got a question for you. 451 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to go along with the police and these 452 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: recent court filings as to everything that they have uncovered 453 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: with his phone in lockdown mode, police had to go 454 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: to extreme methods, gathering surveillance video from all over homes, businesses, 455 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: red lights, you name it. Let me talk to you 456 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: about that, because what they have put together without the 457 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: use of his phone is survellance video showing his truck 458 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: at a grocery store at twelve thirty three a. M uhh, 459 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: he must have had a snack attack. Twelve thirty three am, 460 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: he said, the grocery store. Nothing in the bed of 461 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: his truck but an ice chest. Then when he takes 462 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: his daughter to school the next morning, where was Suzanne 463 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: she normally takes him to school. There are two full 464 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: white trash bags added in the truck bed. 465 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: Okay. Then when he spotted at that Bernie what burger 466 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: an hour later, now he's. 467 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: Got a heavy duty trash can with a firewood rat 468 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: weighing down an object now covered with the blue tarp. 469 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: Wow, a lot happened after he dropped his daughter off. Huh. 470 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely. He also made a stop at a home depot 471 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 4: where he bought concrete, a large bucket, and some I 472 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 4: believe cleaning spray with bleach before he asked for directions 473 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 4: to the nearest dump site. 474 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 12: Simpson then stops at the Bernie home depot. Simpson buys 475 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 12: concrete mix, a bucket, trash bags, and chlorox spray. On 476 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 12: his way out, Simpson asks for directions to the new dump. 477 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 12: Surveillance footage captures Simpson leaving the dump, then stopping for gas. 478 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 12: The two white trash bags are no longer in the bed. 479 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 12: Simpson then drives to Medina, just west of the family 480 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 12: home in Bandera. When Simpson is spotted again back in Bernie, 481 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 12: the tarp and whatever was underneath it are gone. 482 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 13: Simpson is on his way back from Bernie when he 483 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 13: receives the call, but Suzanne isn't there for their daughter. 484 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 13: Simpson picks her up around three point thirty, then heads 485 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 13: to his usual car wash with her. Video shows Simpson, 486 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 13: washing the interior around the driver's seat and rear left 487 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 13: passenger seat, cleaning up what he claims were concrete stains 488 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 13: in his car, Cleaning up. 489 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: The vehicle at the car wash. You know, straight out 490 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: of the playbook A Photus Dulos. You know, Dulos charged 491 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: in the murder of his wife, a Connecticut mother of five, 492 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and police in Connecticut did an incredible job of piecing 493 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: togather video from all sorts of origins. 494 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 13: You know what, listen, investigators believe photos. Dulos parks his 495 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 13: employees Red Tacoma a few blocks from Jennifer Dulo's home, 496 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 13: then rides a bike the rest of the way, lying 497 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 13: in wait for her to return. After attacking her in 498 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 13: the garage, cops believe Dulo's loads Jennifer dead or unconscious 499 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 13: in the back of her own suv, then transfers her 500 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 13: body into the Tacoma. Less than a week later, without 501 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 13: his employee's knowledge, Dulos takes the truck again. Dulos is 502 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 13: caught on video paying for a car wash in cash. 503 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 13: His girlfriend, Michelle Treconis, later tells authorities he was trying 504 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 13: to clean a coffee spill. Despite Dulo's efforts, investigators still 505 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 13: managed to recover Jennifer Dulos's DNA from the passenger seat. 506 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: To be in Power's high profile defense attorney. Why is 507 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: it when there is a murder or somebody goes missing, 508 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: suddenly husbands and or suspects turn into Nate Nix. Jody 509 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: Arias did all the laundry after she murdered Travis Alexander. Whoopsie, 510 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: she left her digital camera in the laundry, and you 511 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: see her foot by the dead body in the digicam. 512 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: Helps that hurt. Then Scott Peterson. 513 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: Went on a laundry jag, Clinton doing all the laundry 514 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: in the home and cleaning up. 515 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. 516 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 5: Ben Powers, I thank it's for the obvious reason that 517 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: they are very active and very busy and whatever it is. 518 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: Powers, weren't you the veteran defense attorney? Because I'm hearing 519 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: an echo. You're just saying what I just said. What's 520 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: your defense In this case of Simpson cleaning out his 521 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: vehicle around the time his wife goes missing. 522 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 5: I think most you can just say it's odd because 523 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: they still don't. 524 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 4: Have a body. 525 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 5: They don't have anything to say how he took her 526 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 5: life when he took her life, where he took her life, 527 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 5: where he just remembered her, where she is if he 528 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 5: did dismember her. At the moment, all they have is 529 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 5: DNA on the boatsault that no one can really explain. 530 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 5: There's a lot of speculation that can go. 531 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, point will taken, Ben Powers, point will taken. 532 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Zachary tail are right? Tell me about his movements that day. 533 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the tarp, the bleach that 534 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: stops at the grocery at twelve thirty in the morning, 535 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: then going to a dump site, then driving all around 536 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: the area making stops, and all those big bags of 537 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: trast then disappear every time he makes a stop, and 538 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: a surveillance video something's been moved out of the bed 539 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: of his trunk. So why is it that day suddenly 540 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: it's in and out, in and out with the truck 541 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: bed just tons of trash bags a tart for Pete's sake, 542 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: I can. 543 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 4: Tell you why he did it. All I can do 544 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: is tell you what he's accused of doing, and that is, 545 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: like you mentioned, starting the morning with some suspicious activity, 546 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 4: including driving out to Bernie after dropping off his daughter 547 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: with only a nice Chester his trunk and the art 548 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: started in the bed of his truck before he's then 549 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: seen in Bernie with large trash fins and then stops 550 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 4: at the depot where he's then seen that water burger 551 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 4: with the large object covered by a tart, and then 552 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 4: he asks for directions to the nearest dump there and Bernie, 553 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: and he's shortly seen on surveillance camera footage after visiting 554 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 4: the deck with the two trash bags gone, but he 555 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 4: still has the large item covered with the tar. He 556 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: then proceeds to drive to Bandera, which officers reportedly know 557 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 4: from license plate readers and other surveillance footage that they 558 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 4: see of his truck driving out there. He then stops 559 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: in Bandera for only less than fifteen minutes before he's 560 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 4: then seen driving back towards Bernie with the tart and 561 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 4: the large item under the tar being gone. 562 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: Even those whose Antips's body has never been found to date. 563 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: A Bear Canny grand jury indicted Brad Simpson on charges 564 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: of murder, of tampering with evidence with the intent to 565 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: impair a human corpse, tampering and or fabricating physical evidence 566 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: with the intent to impair, and possessing prohibited weapons. Susanne, 567 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: a mother of four, last seen at a party at the. 568 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 2: Ritzy Argyle Club. 569 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Now, let's see that was on October six, but it 570 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: wasn't around ten pm October seven that husband Brad Simpson 571 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: reported her missing. We know they were involved in a 572 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: dispute the night she disappeared, not only at the country club, 573 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: but outside her home according to a neighbor. We also 574 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: have Brad Simpson's business partner, James Cotter. He's been charged 575 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: in connection with the case for hiding a gun. He's 576 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: accused of helping Simpson hide in AK forty seven that 577 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: was illegally modified. The firearm was modified into a machine 578 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: gun and was not correctly registered. 579 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 2: Whoopsie. 580 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: Some of the evidence we do know about is surveillance 581 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: footage showing Brad Simpson driving with three large trash bags, 582 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: photos dulos all over again, a heavy TV trash can, 583 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: and a quote large bulky item wrapped in a blue 584 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: tarp the day after she disappears. Now we learn that 585 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: from an arrest warrant AFFI David Susanne Simpson's remains I 586 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: believe in the Bandera area, but they have never been found. Surprise, surprise, again. Husband, 587 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: Brad Simpson has shown very little emotion about his wife's disappearance, 588 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: and he is not cooperating with investigators. 589 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: It's like the same old playbook. 590 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: Come on, this is the same exact thing Fotus Dulos did. 591 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a copious amount. 592 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Of blood found in the garage outside of Jennifer's car 593 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: after she came back from drop off that morning at school. 594 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: She's never been found, but he Traconas and his girlfriend, 595 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: that's certainly. 596 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: One way to put it. 597 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: Michelle Traconas are caught on video driving all around town 598 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: going to I believe it was five different trash receptacles 599 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: caught on video throwing away sponges, rags, towels, all soaked 600 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: in blood, the wife, Jennifer Dulos shirt and Bras soaked 601 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: in blood. So how smart is Simpson because he's just 602 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: doing the same old playbook for Pete's sake. 603 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 4: I don't think he's very smart. 604 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: I'm you know, after I heard that they found the 605 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: found her DNA on the reciprocating saws. He's crazy. I mean, 606 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what he could have to get all 607 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 3: that done in the few hours that he got done. 608 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 3: I'd like to know what he was on to do that, you. 609 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: Know, Uh, yeah, has Brian Fitzgibbons, Brian, do you ever 610 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: wish that suspect, of course he's presumed innocent, would do 611 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: something different? I mean, don't you know that if the 612 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: authorities have already gotten him on video at the water 613 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: burger and the grocery store and the here and the there, 614 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: they're going to have video of him disposing of stuff, 615 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: although he may have disposed of it in a remote 616 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: area where we're never going to find it. 617 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, at this point that I certainly wish all 618 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 8: the time that you know, a defendant would come forward 619 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 8: with the truth, right, But at this point we're probably 620 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 8: dealing with multiple disposal sites, potentially bodies of water, potentially 621 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 8: different dump sites, and uh, you know this this is 622 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 8: going to be very complicated. But so far as a wish, 623 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 8: of course, I feel that all the time I wish 624 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 8: you'd come forward and give us the truth. 625 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: A major update in the search for Suzanne Simpson, the 626 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: missing Texas mom luxury realtor. 627 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 6: Listens Park Police Department, along with the Texas Rangers, have 628 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 6: charged Brad Chandler Simpson with murder in the death of 629 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 6: his wife, Suzanne Clark Simpson. 630 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 14: The rangers have not stopped investigating this case as it 631 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 14: has been turned over to the District Attorney's department. The 632 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 14: District Attorney starts their process in the prosecution phase, even 633 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 14: though we are not stopping our search for Suzanne Clark Simpsons. 634 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: That from our friends at k e NS five. 635 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: And you were hearing the almost part Chief of Police 636 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: Feddale valet House and Sergeant Dion Cockrell from the Texas 637 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: Department of Public Safety. So now there is a formal 638 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: charge the District attorney now starting the prosecution phase, will 639 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: more be made clear? 640 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: Maybe not. 641 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: We don't have a right to know all of the 642 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: details surrounding this case. Straight out to doctor Kendall Crown, 643 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: chief medical Examiner in Terran County. That's Fort Worth, Texas, 644 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: doctor Kumba crowns. I'm thinking back on Photosdulos and how 645 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: he and his lover Michelle Chaconis were hiding Jennifer, the 646 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: mother of his five children. I mean hiding throwing away 647 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: into dumpsters, into trash receptacles all over town. What man 648 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: throws the same bag of trash in five different trash cans? 649 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 2: Okay, food for thought. 650 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,959 Speaker 1: But if we find, if we discover that Susanne has 651 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: been dismembered, that could. 652 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: Mean anything from a leg to a digit. 653 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: So how do you go about if any part of 654 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: her is found connecting that back to Susanne Sipson? 655 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 7: So well, what you would have to do is whatever 656 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 7: you receive, you would get tissue, bone, marrow, whatever you 657 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 7: can pull off of it, and then submit that for DNA. 658 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 7: If it would happened to be a finger, you could 659 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 7: actually get fingerprints from it if it's still intact enough, 660 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 7: and you could do it that way. But in this 661 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 7: type of case, with the parts being found over time, 662 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 7: that each part that is found is going to have 663 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 7: to have DNA testing done on it to make sure 664 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,439 Speaker 7: it's from her. But once you do find a part, 665 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 7: especially if it's like a large portion, like a thigh 666 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 7: or something like that, you know she's been murdered. You 667 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 7: know she's been cut up. 668 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: Joining me is renowned psychologist Karen Start joining us from Manhattan. Karen, 669 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: the loss of your mother is overwhelming, I've been told, 670 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: But then the additional shock that she's been murdered, then 671 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: the additional shock that she has been dismembered. Now, if 672 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: the children don't accept that. They are left with the 673 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: specter of my mom's not dead, she just abandoned me. 674 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts? 675 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 10: Well, no matter which way this turns out, Nancy's children 676 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 10: don't have a mother anymore. So there is so much 677 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 10: they've been exposed to. They're going to need a tremendous 678 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 10: amount of help. 679 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: In my hand, the newly released charging documents straight out 680 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: to my saint Antonio Zachary tail all right, Zachary, tell 681 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: me in a nutshell about these allegations, and they are 682 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: only that allegations. 683 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: He has not been proven guilty. What do you know? 684 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 4: So I know he's been charged with the murder of 685 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 4: Suzanne Simpson, and I also know he's been charged with 686 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 4: two bounts of tempering with evidence. One is linked to 687 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 4: the gun that he had his friend had and the 688 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 4: reciprocating saw that they alleged that he attempted to conceal 689 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 4: from investigators. Then he was also charged with tempering with 690 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 4: evidence with the intent to conceal his wife's body, although 691 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 4: very little information has been presented on that charge. And 692 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 4: then those are the charges he's facing, but they're all 693 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 4: being questioned by his defense attorney. 694 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: In the last hours Brad Simpson in court before Judge 695 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: Joel Petz with the. 696 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 4: Attorneyship be identified in films. He's a stand appreciation. See 697 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 4: you can gie more from mister Simpsons. 698 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: Okay, and Sarah you Brad the challenger of Simpson. 699 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: That from our friends A KA, B B Zachary Taylor, 700 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: what happened in court. 701 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 4: There is quite a bit that's set to happen in 702 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 4: the coming months. He Brad Simpson is said to be 703 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 4: before the judge again on December nineteenth. Now that's a 704 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 4: motion to amend conditions, but very little has been filed 705 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 4: with the court to tell us or offer any kind 706 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 4: of insight into what his defense attorney might be looking 707 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 4: to do, although in the past he has sought to 708 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 4: reduce the bond amount and change the bond conditions to 709 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 4: allow him to see his children. And then he'll be 710 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 4: back before the judge on February twelve. 711 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: Well, you're right again. When you don't know a horse, 712 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: look at his track record. Now, Brad Simpson is that 713 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: the charges be thrown out. 714 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 11: Listen, there's emotion to watch the inditement, which I think 715 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 11: will give it a leader date. 716 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: That's for our friends at kabb to Ben Powers in 717 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: a nutshell, Ben a nutshell. The state doesn't give a 718 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: killer a gold star or an A plus plus because 719 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: they get rid of the body that's not happening. The 720 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: state doesn't have to lay out in the indictment how 721 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: the victim was killed. 722 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 2: If they can prove it. 723 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: Sure put it in there, for instance, by manual strangulation, 724 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: by shooting with the weapon, by stabbing, But it doesn't matter. 725 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 2: The state doesn't have to prove how she was killed. 726 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: They just have to. 727 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: Convince a jury that she has been killed and that 728 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: he did it in this jurisdiction. 729 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 5: Well, I disagree with that. They have to lay out 730 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 5: what their theory of the killing is. You know, there's 731 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 5: a big difference between a voluntary manslaughter, which is accidental killing, 732 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 5: and a first degree murder, which is premeditated killing. It 733 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 5: sounds like his defense attorneys are saying, you're saying he 734 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 5: killed her, but you're not telling us how when where 735 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 5: any of the important details that go to your theory 736 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 5: of premeditation. And so that's what they're attacking with their 737 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 5: most recent pilence is the lack of proof that goes 738 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 5: towards premeditation, like the state is trying to make it 739 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 5: out to be. 740 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: So, Ben Powers, let me understand in your mind, the 741 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: state has to lay out the exact. 742 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: Mode of murder. So you've never encountered a case where. 743 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: There was no body to be found and the mode 744 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: of murder was unknown. Are you telling me you've never 745 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: seen a no body case indictment. 746 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 5: What I'm saying is this most recent motion sounds like 747 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 5: what I would call a deal in particulars. It's basically 748 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 5: the defense throw down the gauntlet and saying, okay, state, 749 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 5: you say my client premeditated killed this person. 750 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: I know what they filed, Ben, I know what the 751 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: defense filed. We just had reporters say that. But then 752 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: you said the indictment must show mode of murder. 753 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 5: When I say mode, I mean in this case, they're 754 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 5: saying it's premeditated, and then must include a factual allegation 755 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 5: that supports premeditation being charged. 756 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 2: For all of you. 757 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: Would be wife killers out there, an indictment does not 758 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: have to show how you killed your partner. Okay, you 759 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: getting rid of the body is not going to help you. 760 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: And in Diamond only has to allege that you committed 761 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: premeditated murder. The jurisdiction and the name of the victim. 762 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 2: That's it. 763 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: The rest can be proven at trial. The state is 764 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: still building its case. If you know or think you 765 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: know anything about the disappearance of Texas's mom, Suzanne Simpson 766 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: or the movements of her husband, Brad Simpson, who is 767 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: presumed innocent, please dial two one zero two zero nine 768 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: two seven zero one two one zero two zero nine two. 769 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 2: Seven zero one. 770 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: Let's remember now an American hero David Ennsbrenner, Aitchison, p D. Kansas, 771 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty. Served twenty 772 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: four years in law enforcement. Survived by wife now widow, Carrie, 773 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: and children without a father, Avery, Abby and Celia. American 774 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: hero Sergeant David Endsbrenner. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.