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Speaker 1: I ask you about the efforts about a Democrats to

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Speaker 1: I was there defending the Constitution. The Constitution was misused

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Speaker 1: And as a person who's a conservative and been a

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Speaker 1: We definitely we are. In nineteen I think it was

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