1
00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Revee revee dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

2
00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our fashion. That's the

3
00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

4
00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,840
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

5
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,920
Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. Hello, Morning Combat fans. It is Wednesday,

6
00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,720
Speaker 2: the twenty fourth of November twenty twenty one. My name

7
00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,720
Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas. I am one half of your hosting duel.

8
00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining me. Welcome to Morning Combat, but

9
00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,479
Speaker 2: a special edition of Morning Combat. We know tomorrow is

10
00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,440
Speaker 2: Turkey Day, it's Thanksgiving Day, but the fights do roll on.

11
00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,960
Speaker 2: There is no MMA this weekend. It is just boxing,

12
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,320
Speaker 2: and we thought, you know what, who could we get

13
00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,440
Speaker 2: to get us ready for two big boxing fights? And

14
00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,120
Speaker 2: I was like, let's go to the man who's written

15
00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,720
Speaker 2: about polar bears and lives in Vermont. It is my

16
00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560
Speaker 2: friend in yours. It is Kieran Mulvany, who, by the way,

17
00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,400
Speaker 2: one half of the hosting duel behind Showtime Boxing with

18
00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 2: Raskin and of Any a wonderful podcast. How are you doing, sir?

19
00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:03,800
Speaker 3: Good? Good?

20
00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,560
Speaker 4: You mean who could we find who's got nothing else

21
00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,959
Speaker 4: to do the day before Thanksgiving?

22
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,319
Speaker 2: That's right, let us get somebody who's just got nothing

23
00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 2: else going on.

24
00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,440
Speaker 3: Who has no life at all?

25
00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,240
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Kieren currently? If I'm wrong, I

26
00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,000
Speaker 2: believe we met at some point on the road. I

27
00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,920
Speaker 2: want to say, either at a Canelo fight or maybe

28
00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,640
Speaker 2: one of Lamont Peterson's fights, maybe like a decade or

29
00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,520
Speaker 2: more ago, when you were living in the area. Does

30
00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,280
Speaker 2: that sound right to you?

31
00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it actually was at a Mont Peterson's

32
00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,560
Speaker 4: fight when he fought a couple of times in DC, right,

33
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it was, Yeah, sometime back then.

34
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,720
Speaker 3: It's been a while.

35
00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,680
Speaker 4: As we were talking off camera, it's been a couple

36
00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,200
Speaker 4: of years since they even went to a fight, so

37
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,680
Speaker 4: it has to have been a fair few years ago.

38
00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,080
Speaker 2: Well, you do great job. You've been in the business

39
00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,000
Speaker 2: a long time, used to work for HBO obviously, now

40
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,480
Speaker 2: you will showtime to this podcast with their Eric Raskin

41
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,360
Speaker 2: the world's number one MMA fan from what I can tell,

42
00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,720
Speaker 2: and you guys do a great job with the podcast.

43
00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320
Speaker 2: So we thought, hey, let's get Kieran on here because

44
00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 2: we need someone who understands his business from top to

45
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,280
Speaker 2: bottom and can help us get ready for these fights.

46
00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,080
Speaker 2: And certainly I have some knowledge of it, but not

47
00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,680
Speaker 2: quite like you, and these fights are incredible. So here's

48
00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,720
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about. We're gonna get to the Showtime fight,

49
00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,200
Speaker 2: which is gonna be a cool boy step Stephen Fulton

50
00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,839
Speaker 2: Junior taken on Figaroa Brandon Figueroa, and then we're going

51
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560
Speaker 2: to talk about the de Zone fight, which was almost

52
00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,280
Speaker 2: the trailer fight that never happened, that's been delayed. What

53
00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 2: is it nine times between teofe Mo Lopez and George

54
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 2: Campos's then they get it right? Is it nine times

55
00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,160
Speaker 2: they delayed that fight?

56
00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think this is the ninth scheduled day.

57
00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. So in either case, welcome to the show.

58
00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,239
Speaker 2: And let me just remind everyone thumbs up on the

59
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,160
Speaker 2: video hit subscribe. If you want to try a Showtime

60
00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,799
Speaker 2: to get this fight, to watch it, you can go

61
00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,720
Speaker 2: to Showtime dot com get a thirty day free trial.

62
00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,360
Speaker 2: If you like it, you can keep it. If not,

63
00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,040
Speaker 2: pound sand do whatever you want. Of course, you know

64
00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,600
Speaker 2: about Morningcombat dot store, where you can get all of

65
00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,359
Speaker 2: our great merch and email us for either Wednesday's fan

66
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,440
Speaker 2: subs or Friday's dead wrong Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

67
00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,160
Speaker 2: Real quickly caring if I may then we do one

68
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,720
Speaker 2: quick really to pay some bills here if I can. Gentlemen,

69
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,440
Speaker 2: the leading men's hygiene brand just launched products. That's right,

70
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,960
Speaker 2: check out the new Ultra Premium body wash and two

71
00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,600
Speaker 2: in one shampoo and conditioner from Manscape. Time to give

72
00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,000
Speaker 2: yourself the gift of beautiful skin, hair and balls this

73
00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,920
Speaker 2: holiday season. Here's what you can do. Get the Ultra

74
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,920
Speaker 2: Premium body wash infused with alo Vera to keep your

75
00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,359
Speaker 2: skin feeling clean, nice, and moisturize. The two to one

76
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,920
Speaker 2: shampoo conditioner has ingredients with benefits that hydrate, nourish, condition

77
00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,280
Speaker 2: and strengthen your scalp and hair at the same time.

78
00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,360
Speaker 2: But don't forget you can get Sanna's beard and your

79
00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,760
Speaker 2: pants if you're not careful, which can be remedied by

80
00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,400
Speaker 2: the Performance Package four point zero. Here's what you're gonna

81
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,240
Speaker 2: get with that. You get their signature lawnmower four point zero.

82
00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,520
Speaker 2: The Electric Turmor has proprietary advanced skin safe technology to

83
00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 2: reduce cuts, and it's also waterproof so you can use

84
00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,280
Speaker 2: it in the shower. The Performance Package also includes the

85
00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,960
Speaker 2: Crop Preserver, Crop Reviver and Anti chafing ball deodorant moisturizer.

86
00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280
Speaker 2: And toner time to keep the North Pole feeling and

87
00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,400
Speaker 2: smelling fresh. The Hygiene Bundle, by the way, will also

88
00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,680
Speaker 2: come with a pair of Manscaped anti chafing boxers that'll

89
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,680
Speaker 2: keep everything feeling fresh all day. Tis the season to

90
00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,800
Speaker 2: load up on Manscape products. Get yourself, your dad, your brother,

91
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,920
Speaker 2: and your friends the best gift of all, the Performance

92
00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,320
Speaker 2: Package four point zero. And now you can get twenty

93
00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,560
Speaker 2: percent off, Yes, twenty percent off and free shipping if

94
00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,680
Speaker 2: you use the code Combat Kombat at manscaped dot com.

95
00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,880
Speaker 2: Twenty percent off with free shipping at manscape dot com

96
00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,960
Speaker 2: use the code Combat All right, Let's move on, all right, Kieren,

97
00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,880
Speaker 2: Let's get to it. So Showtime has a fight this

98
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,599
Speaker 2: weekend between coolboy step Stephen Fulton Junior and then Figureoa,

99
00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,159
Speaker 2: which is I don't even know where to begin with this,

100
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,400
Speaker 2: but I'll actually will begin with what your co host

101
00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 2: said on your podcast. He said there were two numbers

102
00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,839
Speaker 2: that stood out to him about this, which was the

103
00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,719
Speaker 2: age of twenty four and the age of twenty seven.

104
00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,360
Speaker 2: And those are the two respective ages of Fulton and Figueroa,

105
00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,159
Speaker 2: which you never really get, not never. You rarely get

106
00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,560
Speaker 2: to see boxers of this elite level, on this kind

107
00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,839
Speaker 2: of track at this stage in their career set the

108
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,560
Speaker 2: table for us. Who are these two gentlemen and why

109
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,920
Speaker 2: is their meeting at this juncture so important?

110
00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,960
Speaker 4: So if you believe in the whole alphabet thing, it's

111
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,359
Speaker 4: important because they're going to unify a couple of belts.

112
00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,440
Speaker 4: But more significantly, you've got too exceptionally talented fighters near

113
00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 4: the top of an incredibly deep and exciting one hundred

114
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 4: and twenty two pound division. And this is a fight

115
00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,000
Speaker 4: that we've been hoping to see and looking forward to

116
00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,159
Speaker 4: seeing for quite some time. It's exciting because we've got

117
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,080
Speaker 4: two guys here with a clash of styles.

118
00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,800
Speaker 3: Brandon Figueroa.

119
00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,039
Speaker 4: He's tall for the weight divisions, about five eight, but

120
00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640
Speaker 4: he completely negates that height. He just likes to come forward,

121
00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,960
Speaker 4: bend down, and just.

122
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,080
Speaker 3: Work really hard on the inside. Cool boy Steph Fulton.

123
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,680
Speaker 3: He could be pretty special.

124
00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,440
Speaker 4: He's a guy who could be a little bit of

125
00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,520
Speaker 4: a chameleon. He can box, he can move, he can

126
00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,000
Speaker 4: try to slow you down, but he can also, as

127
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,520
Speaker 4: he proved against Angelo Leo last time, out stand in

128
00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,919
Speaker 4: the pocket himself and just let the punches fly. So

129
00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800
Speaker 4: we have a real possibility here for a fight in

130
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,200
Speaker 4: which two guys using two completely different styles could be

131
00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,000
Speaker 4: letting a lot of leather fly over the close of

132
00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,719
Speaker 4: twelve rounds.

133
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about each one in particular. I

134
00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,080
Speaker 2: want to start with Figueroa because his style is baffling

135
00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,800
Speaker 2: to me. To your point, he makes it work. It

136
00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 2: is quite effective, and the beating all ons to the beating.

137
00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,800
Speaker 2: But his last performance and certainly his ability is to

138
00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,200
Speaker 2: be successful in the way that he was against Luis

139
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,239
Speaker 2: Neery was incredible. Luis near on that Charlo doubleheader didn't

140
00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400
Speaker 2: have the most impressive fight, but prior to that he

141
00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,440
Speaker 2: was sort of a known power puncher, destroyer type and

142
00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,000
Speaker 2: Figaroa kind of gave him a lot of trouble. But

143
00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,480
Speaker 2: here's what's weird, right, You actually is really tall, he's

144
00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,920
Speaker 2: really rangy. He's very wiry, and he doesn't use really

145
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,360
Speaker 2: a lot of length. He doesn't fight like a tall,

146
00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,520
Speaker 2: rangy fighter. He kind of is like the canopy of

147
00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,159
Speaker 2: a tree where he just tries to capture you in

148
00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,360
Speaker 2: his shade, and once he does that, it's sort of overwhelming.

149
00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,560
Speaker 2: How would you describe his game?

150
00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's exceptionally well said, he reminds me, to

151
00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,040
Speaker 4: some extent a little bit of the late Diego Corrals,

152
00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,160
Speaker 4: who is also tall for his white division and would

153
00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,800
Speaker 4: never use that height to his advantage. Just love to

154
00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,880
Speaker 4: get in there and fight, and he felt that just

155
00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440
Speaker 4: happened to work to his advantage. He just enjoyed having

156
00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:30,440
Speaker 4: that extra leverage with those long arms, and Figureoa has said, yeah, look,

157
00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 4: he goes, I know that maybe I should do that.

158
00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,520
Speaker 4: I know that maybe I should fight from a range.

159
00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 4: But he describes himself as not a very pretty fighter,

160
00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,280
Speaker 4: and I think he's being a bit unfair to himself

161
00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,240
Speaker 4: in that respect, and that I think it's actually kind

162
00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,200
Speaker 4: of fun to watch Brandon figaroa fight. But he's like, yeah, look,

163
00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,080
Speaker 4: I just go in there. I go in there to

164
00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,040
Speaker 4: throw a lot of punches. I go in there to

165
00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,480
Speaker 4: put her on the guy and to get it done.

166
00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,679
Speaker 4: He does have a high punch output. He's also pretty

167
00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,280
Speaker 4: good accuracy as well out of that punch output, and

168
00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,120
Speaker 4: he's got some good leather behind those. I mean, he

169
00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,480
Speaker 4: wasn't winning against Leuisnerry until he was with.

170
00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,200
Speaker 3: That body shot.

171
00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,400
Speaker 4: So he's the kind of guy who you wonder if

172
00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,400
Speaker 4: he's gonna have a very long career because the nature

173
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,400
Speaker 4: of the way he fights requires him to take quite

174
00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,679
Speaker 4: a lot of punishment while he's dishing it out.

175
00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,840
Speaker 3: But while he's around.

176
00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,640
Speaker 4: He's somebody who you kind of want to watch because

177
00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,720
Speaker 4: you are never entirely sure.

178
00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,880
Speaker 3: He can always get himself in more trouble than he

179
00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:25,280
Speaker 3: needs to.

180
00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,239
Speaker 4: Against Julio Seiha, which is the one sort of blemish

181
00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,200
Speaker 4: on his record, which is a draw, he probably got

182
00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 4: himself and got dragged into more of a brawl than

183
00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,960
Speaker 4: he needed to. So sometimes I can work against him

184
00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,640
Speaker 4: and you're never quite sure if that's going to happen,

185
00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,280
Speaker 4: and then he can pull out something like he did

186
00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,600
Speaker 4: against Nery body shot game over.

187
00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,199
Speaker 2: Would you say his body punching is his best weapon?

188
00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, his body punching is pretty good.

189
00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't necessarily target the body with abandon but when

190
00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,920
Speaker 4: he does choose to do so, it's really really very effective.

191
00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,320
Speaker 2: So the fight before this one, the Neeri fight, and

192
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,720
Speaker 2: even the same some of the more difficult ones. Here's

193
00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,839
Speaker 2: my issue with them. These are well they say High

194
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,360
Speaker 2: fight was a draw, but the Neary fight he got

195
00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,880
Speaker 2: a great win there. But like none of these guys

196
00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,120
Speaker 2: are Stephen Fulton right, Like, I'm trying to look down

197
00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,480
Speaker 2: the record and I'm like, you got some solid wins

198
00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,840
Speaker 2: on there, and I want to take it away from him.

199
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,520
Speaker 2: But he has definitely not fought a guy like Fulton

200
00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,360
Speaker 2: that would you agree with that assessment?

201
00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,400
Speaker 4: I would, both in terms of quality and as a

202
00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,320
Speaker 4: sort of addendum to that, I don't think that there

203
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,000
Speaker 4: are a lot of guys like Stephen Fulton. The more

204
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,200
Speaker 4: that I watched Stephen Fulton, the more special I think

205
00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,160
Speaker 4: he has the potential to be. He has ridiculous handspeed,

206
00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,120
Speaker 4: he has very good footwork. He likes to be able

207
00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,920
Speaker 4: to maybe slow things down and figure out what's you know,

208
00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,679
Speaker 4: what his opponent's going to do, and then turn it up.

209
00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,199
Speaker 4: But he did also show us against Angela Leo that

210
00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,920
Speaker 4: when he wants to, he can just dig in and

211
00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 4: just fight. So Fulton, I think is a very very

212
00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,080
Speaker 4: difficult guy to fight. I think he's a real quality guy.

213
00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,640
Speaker 4: He's not just a step up for FIGUREA. I think

214
00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:01,920
Speaker 4: it'd be a step up for most one hundred and

215
00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,720
Speaker 4: twenty two pounds. I think he might be the class

216
00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,440
Speaker 4: of the division right now, actually, and it's going to

217
00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,720
Speaker 4: be a difficult challenge for Figuarreoa. But as we know,

218
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,760
Speaker 4: styles make fights, and it doesn't matter like how cute

219
00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,319
Speaker 4: you are, how good you are at creating distance. If

220
00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,240
Speaker 4: you've got a guy like Figureoa who's on you and

221
00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,200
Speaker 4: he's not giving you any space and the opportunity to breathe,

222
00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,719
Speaker 4: then it's going to be very difficult for you to

223
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,080
Speaker 4: perform the way you want to. And that's obviously what

224
00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,560
Speaker 4: Figureoa is going to want to do to Fulton.

225
00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,160
Speaker 2: Fulton is an interesting guy, right, like because he's a

226
00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:34,880
Speaker 2: Philly fighter if memory serves, and Philly is amazing. On

227
00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,120
Speaker 2: the MMA side, they have turned a corner like they're

228
00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,840
Speaker 2: putting out really really good fighters. Now obviously not on

229
00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,959
Speaker 2: the level that they do with boxing, but you're starting

230
00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,959
Speaker 2: to see like some high level guys come out of

231
00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,800
Speaker 2: there pretty consistently. But on the boxing side they just

232
00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,200
Speaker 2: don't let up. You got Jaron Ennis who is sort

233
00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,360
Speaker 2: of leading the charge, and here comes Stephen Fulton as well.

234
00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,760
Speaker 2: Of the two, this is going to be I'm asking

235
00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,960
Speaker 2: you to prognosticate in the most unfair of ways, but

236
00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,200
Speaker 2: of the two between Enis and Fulton, which one do

237
00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,000
Speaker 2: you think has high your ceiling?

238
00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:01,839
Speaker 3: Wow?

239
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,760
Speaker 4: Both those ceilings are vaulted for both guys that they

240
00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,040
Speaker 4: have a lot of potential, both of them. I think

241
00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,960
Speaker 4: that Nis might be the class of boxing in terms

242
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,280
Speaker 4: of prospects slash contenders right now. And you can't actually

243
00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,440
Speaker 4: even call Nis a prospect anymore. The quality of guys

244
00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,240
Speaker 4: now that he is meeting and beating and the way

245
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 4: in which he is doing it, and he has already

246
00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,559
Speaker 4: a couple of ready built in potential rivalries down the line,

247
00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240
Speaker 4: with the likes of Virgil Orties, I think, and.

248
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,800
Speaker 3: This might be the guy to watch.

249
00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,840
Speaker 4: He might already be knocking on the door of some

250
00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,839
Speaker 4: of the sort of edges of pound for pound lists.

251
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,880
Speaker 4: Nis is really really special. Fulton though, is not very

252
00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,240
Speaker 4: far behind, I think. I think the big difference is

253
00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,600
Speaker 4: that Enis has that extra pop and that's what people

254
00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,240
Speaker 4: like to see. Of course, they like to see knockouse.

255
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,360
Speaker 4: Fulton can give you that, and this is more likely

256
00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,680
Speaker 4: to so Fulton.

257
00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,480
Speaker 2: His strengths are what he has high level adaptability, like

258
00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,040
Speaker 2: whatever the challenge calls for, he can kind of mold

259
00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,840
Speaker 2: himself into the boxer that he needs to be to

260
00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,160
Speaker 2: address that. But to your point, decent puncher, but not

261
00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,280
Speaker 2: a dominant puncher exactly exactly.

262
00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,760
Speaker 4: He's a fast puncher, and fast punchers can often they

263
00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,080
Speaker 4: can hit harder than maybe you realize, but they can

264
00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,680
Speaker 4: hit hard enough to just deter your opponents a little

265
00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,920
Speaker 4: bit without necessarily having the power to drop him or

266
00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:32,400
Speaker 4: stop him.

267
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,280
Speaker 3: But he has done that. He's scored a good body

268
00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,600
Speaker 3: punch knock out.

269
00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,760
Speaker 4: Himself just a couple of fights ago. He's very good technically.

270
00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,040
Speaker 4: He's very relaxed in the ring, and he's very relaxed.

271
00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,280
Speaker 4: He's just a relaxed kind of.

272
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:45,800
Speaker 3: Guy, right.

273
00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,080
Speaker 4: He's a very happy guy to talk to. He enjoys

274
00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,160
Speaker 4: all the different aspects of the spot and I think

275
00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 4: he carries that into the ring, and being relaxed in

276
00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,200
Speaker 4: the ring obviously is half the battle.

277
00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,840
Speaker 3: He moves very well.

278
00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,800
Speaker 4: He generally was regarded as being somebody who works very

279
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,679
Speaker 4: well off the jab and uses that to kind of

280
00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,319
Speaker 4: control his opposition and then he can sort of mix

281
00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,760
Speaker 4: him punches afterwards. The Angelo Lao fight has kind of

282
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,600
Speaker 4: thrown out the blueprint of who is Stephen Fulton and

283
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,560
Speaker 4: how do you fight him?

284
00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,839
Speaker 3: Because the expectation going into that fight was that Fulton

285
00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,120
Speaker 3: would do what Fulton had mostly done up until that point,

286
00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,800
Speaker 3: box and move, especially against the guy like Leo, who

287
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,440
Speaker 3: a little.

288
00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,480
Speaker 4: Like Figaroa so come forward, body punching kind of guy,

289
00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:30,839
Speaker 4: throw a lot of punches kind of guy.

290
00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,199
Speaker 3: That was the expectation.

291
00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,680
Speaker 4: Fulton just dug his toes into the canvas and beat

292
00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,840
Speaker 4: Lao to the punch, and that was despite the fact

293
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,480
Speaker 4: that his corner was kind of asking him not to

294
00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,200
Speaker 4: do that, and he just decided that that was the

295
00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,480
Speaker 4: way to go. And so there he's using his shorter

296
00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,120
Speaker 4: punches and his faster punches to score inside the punches

297
00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240
Speaker 4: of the guy who's considered more of the aggressive fighter,

298
00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,440
Speaker 4: and he might try to do that against Figuoa. I

299
00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,760
Speaker 4: don't know that he's going to try to do it

300
00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,839
Speaker 4: to the same extent, but I think that Figueroa is

301
00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,920
Speaker 4: going to have to force him to do that at

302
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,679
Speaker 4: some point, and then we're gonna see if he's able

303
00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,480
Speaker 4: to replicate that performance against Brandon.

304
00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 2: Let's looks talk about what the fight might look like.

305
00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,120
Speaker 2: I believe again, I think I want to reference to

306
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,119
Speaker 2: the recent podcast you did with Eric graskin the last episode.

307
00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,160
Speaker 2: Obviously it's the Showtime Boxing with Raskin and Mulvaney podcast,

308
00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,920
Speaker 2: but What I mean to say is he had made

309
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,640
Speaker 2: a point about Canelo and Crawford, these guys who kind

310
00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,800
Speaker 2: of let the fight not slip away, but the rounds

311
00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,480
Speaker 2: go to their opponents more often than not a little

312
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,520
Speaker 2: bit early, and then around six or seven the rounds

313
00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,880
Speaker 2: it begins to switch. I wonder if you think not

314
00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,480
Speaker 2: that Fulton is trying to copy that or we'll do

315
00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,560
Speaker 2: that often, But he might do it here, right he might.

316
00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,520
Speaker 2: For a guy like Figuarreo who's gonna want to set

317
00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,680
Speaker 2: the tone right away, he's gonna be He's we already

318
00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,280
Speaker 2: probably know he's gonna have more volume than Fulton. I

319
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280
Speaker 2: think that's probably a pretty safe conclusion. Fulton's gonna have

320
00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,520
Speaker 2: to adjust around that. The question is how long will

321
00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,520
Speaker 2: that take and what will those adjustments be. Is that

322
00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,200
Speaker 2: your assessment of what it might look like.

323
00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I don't think he can afford to

324
00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,480
Speaker 4: do quite what Canelo or Bud Crawford do in the

325
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000
Speaker 4: because Figuero is a volume puncher and he keeps coming

326
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,680
Speaker 4: and he's got really good stamina. I don't think you

327
00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,400
Speaker 4: can afford to give away too many rounds on the

328
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,440
Speaker 4: expectation you're going to win.

329
00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,360
Speaker 3: Rounds in the.

330
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,920
Speaker 4: Back half of the fight, because Figero Is just going

331
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,640
Speaker 4: to keep coming, and if you give away too many,

332
00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,360
Speaker 4: then there's a danger that even if you're starting to

333
00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,960
Speaker 4: turn the fight around, you're still going to lose one

334
00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,800
Speaker 4: or two and lose a close decision. But I think

335
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,840
Speaker 4: what would probably make the most sense for Stephen Fulton

336
00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,200
Speaker 4: is somewhat along the lines of what you said, is

337
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,120
Speaker 4: that for a round or two to try to maybe

338
00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,800
Speaker 4: back up, drag Figaroa onto him, try to keep some distance,

339
00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,560
Speaker 4: move a little bit, get a sense of where Frigaroa

340
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,400
Speaker 4: wants to position himself, how he wants to throw his punches.

341
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,320
Speaker 4: Is he going to start reaching for any punches? Is

342
00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,800
Speaker 4: that going to give Fulton an opportunity to counter and

343
00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,840
Speaker 4: try to do that and maybe box off the counter

344
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,360
Speaker 4: frustrate Figarover a little bit while not giving the rounds away,

345
00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 4: If you know what I mean, that's going to be

346
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,600
Speaker 4: what he's going to want to try to do, and

347
00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 4: then see if he can start to impose himself. Figaroa

348
00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,640
Speaker 4: right from the off is going to try to just

349
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,840
Speaker 4: kind of go straight at for and try to impose

350
00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,560
Speaker 4: himself on him. So I think the question is going

351
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,400
Speaker 4: to be What is Fulton's response going to be to that?

352
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,160
Speaker 4: Is he going to do what I think he's probably

353
00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,000
Speaker 4: going to do for a couple of rounds and try

354
00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,080
Speaker 4: to move, try to see what he can do, see

355
00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,680
Speaker 4: if he can control it from the outside, and then

356
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,760
Speaker 4: if he has to get dragged into a fight, how

357
00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,720
Speaker 4: he copes with that or whether he just decides right

358
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,280
Speaker 4: from the off.

359
00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,720
Speaker 3: I've seen what you can do, I've seen.

360
00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,840
Speaker 4: How you fight. I can do it better than you.

361
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to get respects from you. My hands are faster.

362
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,720
Speaker 4: I can get my punches to your chin faster than

363
00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,840
Speaker 4: you can get your punches to my chin. Let's go

364
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,360
Speaker 4: at it and do that right from round one, two

365
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,240
Speaker 4: fights ago. I would never have imagined that he would

366
00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,760
Speaker 4: do that. After the Angelo Leo performance, you have to

367
00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,720
Speaker 4: consider that that might be a possibility.

368
00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,120
Speaker 2: Known weaknesses, What are the weaknesses? No fighter is perfect?

369
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 2: What do we have for Fulton and figure row off

370
00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 2: from your mind? Any kind of blemish or something to

371
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 2: watch out for that could play a role.

372
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,040
Speaker 4: Well, the biggest blemish that either guy has is figure

373
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:56,840
Speaker 4: Oa can get hit.

374
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,480
Speaker 3: Fulton can too.

375
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,760
Speaker 4: You know his opponents tend to land about you know,

376
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,040
Speaker 4: thirty percent or so of their punches against him, which

377
00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,840
Speaker 4: is a pretty decent level.

378
00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 3: But Figaroa can be hit more and we've.

379
00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 4: Seen that, and that's not surprising, right because of the

380
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,439
Speaker 4: way that he fights.

381
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,480
Speaker 3: You expect that.

382
00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,640
Speaker 4: If you're going to be a gift to to get

383
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,959
Speaker 4: one kind of a fighter, that that's going to happen.

384
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 4: But he can be tagged. His chin does seem to

385
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,440
Speaker 4: be really good. Both guys chins seem to be really good.

386
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,760
Speaker 3: So Fulton might.

387
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,719
Speaker 4: Be considering if he does decide to get in there

388
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,240
Speaker 4: a little bit with with Figaroa, that that's going to

389
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,000
Speaker 4: be his advantage, that he's going to be able to

390
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,720
Speaker 4: tag Figueroa's chin more than figaro is going to be

391
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 4: able to attack his Otherwise. You know, Fulton looks to me,

392
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,840
Speaker 4: even though he can get hit, he's a pretty darn

393
00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,119
Speaker 4: good and complete fighter. I think it's going to be

394
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,359
Speaker 4: harder for Figaroa to find a weakness of Fulton to

395
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 4: exploit unless there's something that we just haven't seen yet,

396
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,919
Speaker 4: than it is for Fulton to exploit something of Figaroa.

397
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,640
Speaker 4: We'll see whether in fact Fulton's going to be able

398
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,000
Speaker 4: to cope with the kind of pressure of the figure

399
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,000
Speaker 4: row it can bring, and maybe he's just going to

400
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,359
Speaker 4: be able to rough him up and put him out

401
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 4: of his you know, out of his sort of comfort zone.

402
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,439
Speaker 4: But that figure o a defense because he bends forward,

403
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,479
Speaker 4: because he comes forward, because he just throws.

404
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,440
Speaker 3: That's possibly the weak spot. Is Fulton going to be

405
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 3: able to expose that?

406
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,120
Speaker 2: Interesting? So, as we mentioned, two guys in their twenties,

407
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 2: they're trying to unify the WBO Superbandsomweight title and then

408
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,760
Speaker 2: the WBC Super Bandsomweight title. That's the reason this fight

409
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 2: is getting made, right, they're unifying the titles. But nevertheless,

410
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,080
Speaker 2: a fight of this quality for fighters of this age

411
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,560
Speaker 2: in your estimation, Kieran, how how rare is that in boxing?

412
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,640
Speaker 4: Well, as you said at the top, it's too rare,

413
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,800
Speaker 4: isn't it? And and it's understandable why to some extent,

414
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 4: because I mean, you know this better than most people,

415
00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,520
Speaker 4: that that one at the end of your record means

416
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,800
Speaker 4: so much more in boxing than it does in mma.

417
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

418
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 4: And you fighters don't want to get that one too

419
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 4: early against the potential rival, you know, particularly if you

420
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 4: feel you've still got great at earning potential ahead. It's

421
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 4: a really big deal for these guys to be fighting

422
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 4: right now because they're not household names hardcore fans like us,

423
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 4: and I'm about them. I think they have the potential

424
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,639
Speaker 4: to become very well known because they're that good. In

425
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,680
Speaker 4: an ideal scenario, you want a situation where you've built

426
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 4: your name up, you're getting a lot more money, and

427
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 4: maybe you're a pay per view fighter before you take

428
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 4: on this kind of face. So for these two guys

429
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 4: to be doing that right now, I think is really commendable.

430
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 2: And you spoke to Stephen Fulton this week. What was

431
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 2: your takeaway from the conversation and what kind of mood

432
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: was he? Indeed, did he tell you anything that stood out?

433
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 3: Again, he's a very relaxed guy. He he enjoys doing interviews.

434
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 3: He's a great guy to interview.

435
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 4: He doesn't give you the lengthiest answers, but he gives

436
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 4: you answers, and he often does it with a smile.

437
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 4: I think one of the things that comes across he's

438
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 4: a very intelligent fighter. You know, he was talking about

439
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,719
Speaker 4: the nuances. As I mentioned earlier, you might assume, oh,

440
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 4: Angelo Leo has to come forward through a bunch of punches.

441
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 4: Fighter random figure over as they must be the same

442
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 4: kind of guy. He subtly differentiated between them, and I

443
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 4: infer that he feels that Figueroa is somewhat the more

444
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,879
Speaker 4: dangerous guy in that he's the one who's able to

445
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 4: sort of smother you and hit you or hurt you

446
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 4: with a lot of the punches that he throws. And again,

447
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 4: you know, you never know, do you like a week

448
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 4: out from a fight. A fighter can be in a

449
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 4: good mood, or it can be gnarly because he's having

450
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 4: to start to lose weight or the expectation is going.

451
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,959
Speaker 4: He was just very relaxed, gave us a little bit

452
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 4: of time, you know, was in a good mood, looking

453
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 4: forward to the idea of unifying these belts and then

454
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 4: perhaps going on and then getting a couple more.

455
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 3: He wants to join that list.

456
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: Of the guys who are putting all four belts together.

457
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: We asked him, Eric asked him if we were if he

458
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 4: was a betting man, what would he what would he

459
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 4: recommend that we put the money on?

460
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 3: And he said the TKO nine. So take that, take

461
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 3: that as you will.

462
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: I think if I recall as well, he thanked the media.

463
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 2: Let me say something as a guy who predominantly covers MMA.

464
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever heard an MMA fighter

465
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: say that, but but Fulton was. You know, if you

466
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: didn't know better, you would have thought he did that

467
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 2: interview with his feet up by the pool, you know

468
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like right, he had that kind of

469
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: an energy. All right, So do you have a you?

470
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: Are you everyone's different? Are you gonna hazard or prediction here?

471
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: What is your thought about how this ultimately might go?

472
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a hard, hard fight.

473
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: I both guys are gonna know they're in a fight.

474
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 4: But I've been high on Brandon Figurea for a while,

475
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: but I'm really high on Stephen Fulton. I think it

476
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 4: is entirely possible. I think one I do think the

477
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 4: Fulton's gonna win the fight with respect to his odds making,

478
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: I think it's going to go the distance. I think

479
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: one of two things are gonna happen. Either Fulton's just

480
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 4: about gonna dig out a tough fight against a really

481
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 4: tough guy and he's going to show us that he's

482
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: got some you know, real underlying toughness. Or he's gonna

483
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: look spectacular in doing it, like he's just gonna beat

484
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 4: Figaroa to the punch just like absolutely phenomenal. This could

485
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: could almost be a Floyd Maybe the Diego Corral is

486
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: kind of a thing like that was the fight that

487
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: really told us exactly.

488
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 3: How remarkable Floyd he was.

489
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 4: I really think Steph Fulton's good, and I think he

490
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: may very well show us just how good he is

491
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 4: on Saturday Night.

492
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: Hmm. It's interesting. I tend to think, you know, from

493
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: my very amateurish opinion that you know, Fulton is, as

494
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: you mentioned, if not the class of the division, pretty

495
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: pretty close, and so I think he'll win. I guess

496
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: the only thing I'm looking for. I don't have a

497
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: prediction beyond that, but I guess what I'm looking for

498
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: is to what extent might he accommodate Figaroa with some

499
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: of the inside fighting, and then to what extent does

500
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: he use to keep Figaroa off of him? Because I

501
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: have a feeling he's going to have to do both.

502
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: And how he solves that riddle, I really have no

503
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: idea exactly.

504
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I can see a situation where he's trying

505
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: a box on the outside, Figuaroa is repeatedly putting.

506
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: Him in a position where he has to fight, he's

507
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: the one who's perhaps throwing the flurries and the combinations

508
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: in close, and then he's able to slip under and

509
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 4: move out and reset and try again. In an ideal world,

510
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: that's what Steph Fulton's going to want to do. Figure Over,

511
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 4: of course, is going to want to just try and

512
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 4: keep him there in front of him and make him work,

513
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 4: and I think that's going to be the exciting tension

514
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: of the fight very quickly.

515
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: Anything on the rest of that card that the fans

516
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: might want to pay attention to.

517
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: The Komain could be a lot of fun. Also.

518
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 4: One hundred and twenty two pounds ras Alien against Eduardo Baiez,

519
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: Alim's Undefeated.

520
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: Really good fighter.

521
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 4: Is actually kind of getting on a little bit in

522
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 4: years for a guy who's at his state of his career.

523
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 4: That's partly because he started late and he had a

524
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: big interruption early in his career when he just couldn't

525
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 4: get any fights.

526
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: EDUARDA.

527
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: Baiez a lot of folks wontn't have heard about him,

528
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 4: but he had a couple of fights on Ring City

529
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 4: USA where he was the B side, and he and

530
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: he handed the Undefeated a site.

531
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: Their first loss. The thing about Baiez that's.

532
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 4: Phenomenal is the guy throws an inhuman amount of punches.

533
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to just quickly check my notes just

534
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: to confirm that I get it right, because it's so

535
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: utterly bizarre he throws. He's thrown one hundred and thirty

536
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: or more punches in nine of the sixteen rounds tracked

537
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 4: by compy box. He threw something like one hundred and

538
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 4: forty punches around in one of those wins, I think

539
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 4: against the ortiz On rings. That's insane, absurd, absolutely absurd

540
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: amount of punches. So seeing how reyes Alim, who's theoretically

541
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: the class of that of that matchup, copes with this

542
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: guy is going to be absolutely fascinating.

543
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: And then, lastly, the winner of this fight between Fulton

544
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: and Figueroa, they'll have two of the belts. Where might

545
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: the winner go from there? Is it a potential undisputed territory.

546
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: How are they going to solve the rest of that

547
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: weight class riddle?

548
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think ideally, And of course it's the standard

549
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 4: political issue. You know, Fulton said that he wants to

550
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 4: fight ja Acmadaliev next, who holds those other two belts.

551
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: Akmadaliev one just the other night looked okay without looking spectacular,

552
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: but you know he's the guy. I think, you know

553
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 4: those that those whoever wins this and Atmadalia are the

554
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: top two in one hundred and twenty two pound division.

555
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: Atmcdalia himself has beaten some of the other good guys.

556
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: There are other really good fighters out there, Danny Roman,

557
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: but Agadehlia if it's just gotten past him.

558
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: Ronnie Rios is out there.

559
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 4: But really, in an ideal world, Fulton Macmadalia would be

560
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: the fight that or figure Oa Atmadalia would be the

561
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: fight that you'd want to see. It's again dealing with

562
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: that issue of broadcasters and promotion promoters, and we'll see

563
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 4: if we can make that or not.

564
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, may the best man win, But I'll say this,

565
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: I think a better fight would be Fulton Akmadalio. I

566
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: saw that Acamadalia fight from the week year. He looked fine.

567
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: Yah got his best performance right.

568
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: He was in against an absurdly ridiculously tough guy. I mean,

569
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: the kind of punishment that is that that Chilean opponent

570
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: was taken was ridiculous. But yeah, I felt like it

571
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: was a perfectly fine performance. But I felt like, given

572
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 4: that Fulton figure overer is coming up, he could have

573
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: done with a really spectacular performance. He could have done

574
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: with getting him out of that to be able to

575
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: say here I am, come and get me. And I

576
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 4: don't think he quite made that claim. But nonetheless, Fulton

577
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: figure out and know who he is. They know that

578
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: he's the guy that they want and they're the one.

579
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 4: He's the one they want to try and get next.

580
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: I think I can't wait for it. I believe that

581
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: kicks off at nine pm in the East on Showtime

582
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: and again Showtime dot com if you want to get

583
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: a thirty day free trial to watch it if you

584
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: don't already have it. Okay, let's talk about the other

585
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: fight this weekend. I'm at his own customer too. I'm

586
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: actually glad this fight is happening, because I thought for

587
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: sure it would never ever happen. But Tayo Femo Lopez

588
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: is going to defend his WBA Super IBF WBO and

589
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: the Ring lightweight titles against George Cambosis. Again. This is

590
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: the ninth schedule time there they were supposed to go fight.

591
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: Some of that is Triller's fault, actually, most of it

592
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 2: is Triller's fault. In fact, the IBF I think declared

593
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: them to be basically incapable of putting this on and

594
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: in default of it. But also it is true that,

595
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: or at least we see we think it's true about

596
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: asked Tank Davis. He has a different opinion, but that

597
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: tail FUMLPEZ got COVID and so there was delays there

598
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: as well. But here we are. It is finally happening

599
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: at the Hulu Theater in New York City at Masson

600
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: Square Garden before we get into the fight itself here

601
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: and I'm glad you're on this podcast because I would

602
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: love to pick your brain about this. Where are you

603
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: on the whole Triller thing in boxing? Which I know

604
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: is a very broad, maybe unfairly worded question, So answer

605
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: however you like. But what is your impression of what

606
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: they've done?

607
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're trying to do, to be honest,

608
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: I get the impression a little bit that they're trying

609
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: to fix something that. I don't want to say that

610
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: boxing doesn't need fixing, because it obviously does. But some

611
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: of the aspects that they seem to want to change

612
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 4: and fix are not the things that need to be

613
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: changed and fixed, Like you know what boxing needs, it

614
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: needs fights alternated with rap battles.

615
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: Does it though? Does it? Really?

616
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that that if I was going to

617
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: go through my list of things that we could do

618
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: to improve boxing, I don't think that would be there,

619
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: you know. And this latest thing of trying to do

620
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: these combined rules in a triangular ring, I just I

621
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 4: don't know what they're trying to do, and I don't

622
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: know why they're trying to do it other than the

623
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: sense of somebody deciding.

624
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: Hey, I've got all these great ideas.

625
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: It almost feels as if and I'm not saying if

626
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 4: and the lawyers are listening, I'm not saying that this

627
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: is how Treler got about into the boxing business. Some

628
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: folks are sitting around smoking a bunch of joints and going,

629
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: you know what would be really cool and then having

630
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: the money to make it happen. And added to that

631
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: that does that seem to have been some competence issues.

632
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: To put it mildly, I felt that when they hired

633
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: torsta Meyer as a CEO that that would be an

634
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: immediate improvement. But it seems like that's sort of taking

635
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: some time to get into place.

636
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: I just don't know what I guess I would say,

637
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: what is Triller? And why is Triller?

638
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: I don't know what they think they're trying to achieve

639
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 4: here or why why?

640
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. See what

641
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: you think of my theory. I would love to listen

642
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. What is Triller? It's

643
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: a video app that was designed to be a competitor

644
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: to TikTok. That's really where it comes from. And they've

645
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: paid influencers to be on the app as a way

646
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: to grow the platform, which find you know, I don't

647
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: know how much that works, but it's hardly a scandal.

648
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: That kind of thing happens, and they do have some

649
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: venture actually quite a bit of venture capital money. This

650
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: seems to me like a bunch of guys who are

651
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: casual boxing fans that are flushed with VC cash that thought, Gee,

652
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be cool if, like Snoop Dogg was commentating

653
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: and we had like this circus event, but also like

654
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: the occasional hey, this is a real hardcore boxing fans

655
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: in the light, because remember they did have for a

656
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: time it was a totally overmatched performance, but they had

657
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 2: ivan redcatch against Regis program. I mean that is on

658
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: some level like a real boxing fight, right, But now

659
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: they have they have all of the circus tricks they've tried,

660
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: have basically the run out, and so they're trying like

661
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: a paradigm shift to this triangular ring with MMA fighters

662
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: versus boxers and this accommodated rule set. But hey, there's Metallica,

663
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: So it's like a Metallica concert with like real weird

664
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: bad fights. I mean, I don't even know. It just

665
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: seems to me like it's venture capital money they don't

666
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: know what to do with.

667
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, your description of it there does not

668
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: do a lot to take me away from my earlier

669
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: theory about people sitting around smoking up.

670
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: You know, it kind of fits so.

671
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: All right, But the good news is Trillard no longer

672
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: has their pause on this. They initially were the ones

673
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: who made the huge bid for Tao Femo Lopez, and

674
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: here we are. He has a new deal with Top Rank,

675
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: but this one will be done under the auspices of

676
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: his own Eddie Hearn taking control of it. And here

677
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: we are, Okay, let's talk about this fight. Here's the

678
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: bad news Taylo Fema. Lopez basically lost a year of

679
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: his career, which is really bad, but as it relates

680
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: to kembosis junior, he kind of also lost a year

681
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: of his career. So in terms of the fight itself,

682
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: I it's hard for me to imagine any scenario where

683
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Lopez loses short of like a freak accident. Size sizes

684
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: one up for me.

685
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 4: You kind of just gave my my my brief summarief

686
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: right there.

687
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: Look comebacks. This is a perfectly fine fighter from what

688
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: I've been able to see.

689
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: Of him, perfectly decent boxer, but there's nothing remarkable about him,

690
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: and I don't see what he has to make ta

691
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: Femo Lopez even uncomfortable, let alone to defeat him. I mean,

692
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: you look at Lopez's run over the last few years.

693
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: The only guy who's somewhat at times made him look

694
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: uncomfortable was Nakatani, but that was just a physical styles

695
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: make fights thing, and Lopez still won like ten out

696
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: of the twelve rounds of that fight. Lomachenko down the

697
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: back half of their fight obviously did well until Lopez

698
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: pulled out the twelfth round. The thing with Tia Femo

699
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: Lopez is that he's very good to technically like, his

700
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: fundamentals are very sound, as we saw, you know, particularly

701
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: in the first half of that fight against Lamachenko, but

702
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: he also has.

703
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: This absurd box full of X factors.

704
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: He has this ability to throw a powerful ko punch

705
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: off the back foot and with either hand to end

706
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: a fight from absolutely nowhere, to do that sort of

707
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: seemingly unconventional Roy Jones esque hands down, throw a punch,

708
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: ba the guys out of that kind of thing. As

709
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: well as being very fundamentally sound, he's a very really

710
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: complete package in many respects. I think Deafimo Lopez, there

711
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: are as many fighters will say levels to this game.

712
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: This really feels like a levels fight, and we've gone.

713
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: We spent a lot of effort and used a lot

714
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: of words and spilled a lot of ink writing about

715
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: all the drama around making this fight. And I'm not

716
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: convinced that the fight itself, and I don't mean any

717
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: disrespect to George Composis Junior, but I'm not at all

718
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: convinced that the fight itself is going to live up

719
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: to everything that went before it. To be perfectly honest

720
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: with you, simply because unless you particularly enjoy watching a

721
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: tremendously skilled young talent at work, and we'll see that.

722
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: I think can tell you a female Lopez.

723
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, where were you prior to the Lomachenko fight? I

724
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: will say, I will declare I was too chicken shit

725
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: to outright pick Lopez. But if you go back and

726
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: you listen to the shows we did just prior to it, Man,

727
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: I've been high on Lopez for a long time. I

728
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: knew that fight would have bare minim, would be competitive. Again,

729
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: I picked Lomachenko because I'm because I'm a wors But

730
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: his skill, to me, not only is he highly skilled

731
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: obviously as you mentioned as a technical boxer, but his

732
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: athleticism just jumps off the screen cam bosis is just

733
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: not like that. But okay, but prior to Lomachenko, how

734
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: much of a fight did you think Lopez was going

735
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: to give him?

736
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this.

737
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: So, first time I saw Lopez fight, he was something

738
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: like four and oh he was on the undercard a

739
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: of a Terrence Crawford fight the Garden, and didn't really

740
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: know much about him other than that I was standing

741
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: there with my HBO Mike flag microphone and his dad

742
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 4: came up to me seeing me with the HBO thing

743
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: is my son's going to be the greatest thing in

744
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: boxing since Mohammad Ali. And I go ah, because you know,

745
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: we all get stuff like that if we're standing around fights, right.

746
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: And then I watched him and and I forget.

747
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: Who he was fighting. Like I said, he was about

748
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: his fifth.

749
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: Profile, and immediately thought, Okay, this kid has got some

750
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: real skills. And I have been very very high on

751
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: to your Femo Lopez for a long time now. I

752
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: picked Lamachenko to win simply because I would always say

753
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: that I thought that Terrence Crawford was the best human boxer,

754
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: and at that point, I thought the Vasily Lamachenko was

755
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: some kind of alien and was doing things that no

756
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: other human could do. So I did pick Lamachenko to

757
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: win that fight on points, but I did pick Lopez

758
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: to give him the toughest fight that he probably had

759
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: to that point. I was as impressed with Lopez in

760
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: that fight as I was disappointed with Lomachenko. And I

761
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: think the fact that it's remarkable how quickly we've almost

762
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: forgotten Vasili Lomachenko when you think about just how impressive

763
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: he was and just what he was doing to really

764
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: really good price fighters. Nobody's seen Nicholas Walters ever since

765
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: he made him quit, for example, And Tia Femal Lopez

766
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 4: beat him, and he beat him fair, and he beat

767
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: him by dominating the first half of the fight and

768
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: then by digging out the twelfth round when when Lomachenka

769
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 4: was coming back at him. And if you do that,

770
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: you're good. You're really really good. And TiO female Lopez

771
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 4: I think is special.

772
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm going to assume that Lopez is

773
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: going to win this. I mean, if you can ice

774
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: Richard Comy inside to you know, you don't want to

775
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: play boxing math, but it's just hard to see a

776
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: route for cambosis. Let me ask a different question. Let's assume,

777
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: and we could be wrong, but let's assume, of course

778
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: he gets past cambosis. What are your hopes for his

779
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: matchmaking after that, because obviously we're just in an age

780
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: where you have the Devin Haines and the Tank Davis's

781
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: and you have now Tia Femal Lopez, but they're all

782
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: kind of all over the place. I think any just either,

783
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what his current status is in terms

784
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: of who he is he's been on his own with

785
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn whatever. But I'm not sure how much longer

786
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: that's going to be in play. But you have any

787
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: hope that these these greats of this era will meet.

788
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: Hmmm, hope, hope, Yes, expectation lags a little bit farther behind.

789
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

790
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: I kind of reading the tea leads from Lopez, I

791
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: get the impression he might not stick around at lightweight

792
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: and he might move up to one forty And if

793
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 4: he did that and faced Josh Taylor, that would be great.

794
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: Of course there's stable mates. You have to think that's

795
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: a makeable fight if that would have happened. But I

796
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: think at the same time, I mean, Josh Taylor's in

797
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: a really good situation right now because I think, you know,

798
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: Aaron would like to maybe try and get him in

799
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 4: with Terrence Crawford at one forty seven now, if he

800
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: could do that.

801
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

802
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 4: I I I made the mistake of on the on

803
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: the Boxing podcast referring to you know, the low pays

804
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: Is and the Haines and the Tank Davis and the

805
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 4: Ryan garcias as the four Princes right as this kind

806
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: of like nod to the fact that they weren't the

807
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: Four Kings, but there was a potential there for a rivalry,

808
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: and that doesn't seem to be any closer to happening

809
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: than it was. So what's disappointing is that nobody involved

810
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: seems really excited about trying to make what are really

811
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: obviously exciting matchups, and it just seems to be a

812
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: little bit of a reticence there to make any of

813
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: these matchups.

814
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: And they've obviously some of them.

815
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 4: These guys have different issues that they're trying to work

816
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 4: out and so on. But it would be a tremendously

817
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: missed opportunity, and I would actually put it higher on

818
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: the list of things that boxing has to fix than

819
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: having rap battles in between bouts. If we have these

820
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: four very talented young fighters who somehow managed to avoid

821
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 4: meeting each other, I think.

822
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: That would be this would be a real loss.

823
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: If we don't take advantage of the fact that we

824
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: have these four really really good Now that said, I

825
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: think Lopez beats them all, but you still want to

826
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: see it, and I don't know that we're very close

827
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: to that happening.

828
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: Well, either way, it goes through George Cambos's Junior November

829
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: twenty seventh at the Hulu Theater. Obviously in Massive Square Garden.

830
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: You can catch that on de Zone and I don't

831
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: know if they have any deal where you can sign

832
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: up or not. I don't know how that works. But

833
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: again for the figar Row and Fulton fight, you can

834
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: go to showtime dot com and you get a thirty

835
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: day free trial. Kirian the podcast Showtime Boxing with Raskin

836
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: and Mulvaney tell the folks about it if they haven't

837
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: heard it yet, please.

838
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: Drops every Monday morning, nine am Eastern and you can

839
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: get it on all your usual podcast venues. It is

840
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: Showtime Boxing with Raskining them of any But we don't

841
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: just talk Showtime Boxing. We we do do more of

842
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: a deep dive analysis of the Showtime face, but we

843
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: look at everything.

844
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: We have a guest pretty much every week. As you mentioned,

845
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: it was cool boy Steph Fulton this week.

846
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: And if you enjoy listening to a couple of knuckleheads

847
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: just spighting off about boxing, which if you listen to

848
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: Morning Combat you probably do, then you know at short

849
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 4: Time Boxing with Raskin them of energy lists.

850
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: There you have it. It's it's a great compliment. I

851
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: would actually argue to MK, you get a lot of

852
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: different analysis and a lot of different looks, and the

853
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: two together bring you, i think, a better perspective altogether

854
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: on what you can expect obviously for the weekend and

855
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: fights and everything else going on in the fight game.

856
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: Kieran enjoy Vermont. Good sir, thank you so much for

857
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: your time. I really appreciate it and enjoy the fights

858
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: on Saturday at you two