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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show. That week one matchup

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Speaker 1: at Tennessee, Yeah, that came, just got a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more interesting with the Titans trading for Julio Jones over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. This week mandatory mini camp. What do we

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Speaker 1: want to see and or here from the players and

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Speaker 1: coaches before they depart for the summer. We've got our lists,

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Speaker 1: but first the importance of relationship building in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Covered two, episode four twenty nine, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolew

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Speaker 1: and Mike jarecki Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: Podcasts visit acy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls

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Speaker 1: to the right, throws near sight of Fritz Bob pets

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Speaker 1: into the ends off to the touchdown. Here's Craig and

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Speaker 1: Mike Jareckie. So some advice to start the show here.

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Speaker 1: If you say you're gonna do something, make sure you

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Speaker 1: follow through, especially if the person you're speaking to is

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Speaker 1: jj WAT. You catch this over the weekend, MJ Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: Watt tweeted six twenty tea time this morning with the rookies.

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Speaker 1: Avion Collins yesterday where we're leaving practice, he said, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pick up breakfast on the way. What do you want?

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Speaker 1: I said, I like that, thank you, and told him

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Speaker 1: my order. Today he shows up with no breakfast. What's

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Speaker 1: the punishment. You can't have that happen, m J. If

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Speaker 1: you say you're gonna do something, especially if you're a rookie,

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Speaker 1: how do you show up without breakfast? Well, huge mistake

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad he put him unblast. And you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you're better off being seen not heard. Now it's

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Speaker 1: a great gesture. As you're walking off the field, he's thinking,

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Speaker 1: and we got breakfast covered and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you know, Hopkins is chiming in Kyler Murray's and we'll

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Speaker 1: get into some of the details what he is. Punishment was.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's over though, But JJ Watt is

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Speaker 1: a guy. That's one thing I want to say about J. J. Watty.

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Speaker 1: Have you let's go back a couple of years. How

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Speaker 1: many players have the Cardinals brought in that have embedded

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Speaker 1: at the community this fast than JJ Watt. Now, I'll

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Speaker 1: say Chris Paul, He's done it on the court. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't within the Arizona Cardinals, I don't know of

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Speaker 1: any player, off the top of my head that without

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Speaker 1: Arizona call the valley his home. Even though still Houston,

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Speaker 1: he is still beloved there, he will still always maintain

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Speaker 1: a residence there. But to your point, yes, he is.

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Speaker 1: As he said when he joined the Arizona Cardinals on

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Speaker 1: But just the person, I mean, besides him going to

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Speaker 1: I just can't recall somebody that's in bedded at the

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Speaker 1: back to that tweet that literally, as they say, went viral.

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Speaker 1: What's the punishment? Well, there were suggestions you mentioned one.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray responded, quote roll him down the fairway, which

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Speaker 1: But the video had one hundred thousand views within two hours.

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Speaker 1: spend time with their families. But you could see this

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Speaker 1: am curious though, if maybe Zavan did get the last

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Speaker 1: I think just to kind of get theemistry down in

427
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Speaker 1: the timing because as you mentioned, once this week or

428
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Speaker 1: the next couple of days end on Thursday, they're going

429
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Speaker 1: to be off for six weeks. So yeah, I'd like

430
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: to see it because timing is the big thing, and

431
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Kyler needs to be more consistent, he needs to take

432
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: the next step and a lot of the bit it's

433
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: going to be predicated on protection, run the football, but

434
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: also making throws where maybe he's in a little dress

435
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: under traffic and look, no one is running full speed.

436
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: But timing where do you like the football? Where do

437
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: you want me to place the football? And we heard

438
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: Kingsbury last week discuss that it was about halfway through

439
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: last year before Murray and Hopkins kind of gots on

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: that same page and Kingsbury said quotes he sees a

441
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: different comfort level between those two now entering season two.

442
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: Remember there was no offseason. Yeah, they worked out a

443
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: little bit in the off season on their own, but

444
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: this is different with mandatory mini camp, when you're running

445
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: routes that you expect to run, even though it's not

446
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: at full speed, but you expect to run during the

447
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: regular season. I thought it was important for hop to

448
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: be here last week. You know, he's a guy that

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: obviously's under contract. He really didn't need to show up

450
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 1: for this. If you follow him on social media, always

451
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: working out, he's watching what he's eating. But you know,

452
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: just a first impression, he was having a nice conversation

453
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: you could see with Shan Jefferson, and I think the

454
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals really wanted to go out and get a former

455
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: player and a guy that played the game, that had

456
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: skins on his wall and he's won two Super Bowls.

457
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: But Sean Jefferson is going to be a guy that's

458
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: going to have to get Hopkins and possibly on the

459
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Speaker 1: practice field. But the fact that he was here tells

460
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Speaker 1: me a lot because it's all about timing and the

461
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: fact that Cliff admitted that for the first time, we're

462
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: week one, he was targeted sixteen times for fourteen catches,

463
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: and he put up big numbers in that first half.

464
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Speaker 1: Now you get to a little bit, maybe week twelve

465
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: they started moving around or more. But I really like

466
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson. I think all these wide receivers, if you

467
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: don't benefit from Sean Jefferson. I think that's on you. Yeah,

468
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: and that's the experience, that's that edition that the team

469
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: added in the offseason. As far as the coaching staff

470
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Speaker 1: is concerned, a new wide receivers coach that we pays

471
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: dividend because we've seen now over the past several offseasons,

472
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Sean Coogler that addition, what it meant to the offensive line,

473
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Brentson Buckner, what that is meant to the defensive line,

474
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: and now Sean Jefferson what we hope that means to

475
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: the wide receivers going forward here in twenty twenty one.

476
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: So that is kind of what I'm looking for now. Again,

477
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: we're not going to have the ability to reports on

478
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: all the entire time that these players are out on

479
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: the field. We do get a window for three straight days.

480
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: But for me, it's Kyler Murray and you're gonna hear

481
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: it a lot bird gang, but just what he's able

482
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: to do, because if the Cardinals want to be successful,

483
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has to be successful. Yeah, and again, you

484
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: know sometimes you can have one on one coverage on

485
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: the outsiders. Really they're not putting on pads. All that

486
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: stuff will take place in training camp, but a lot

487
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: of times they're just throwing against air. So it'd be

488
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: nicest to look at a shell defense and see where

489
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: guys are lining up. But again that's something I'll be

490
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: looking for, but more in training camp in the preseason.

491
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Speaker 1: All right, So we are each looking at two things

492
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Speaker 1: that we want to see. Anything else that you're hoping

493
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: to see again or here if we have the opportunity

494
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: to hear from a specific player, as far as you

495
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: know what they anticiph or what they hope. Twenty twenty

496
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: one is all about. You know, we look at the

497
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think we're from the center to the

498
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: left side. I think the Cardinals feel very comfortable with

499
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries, Justin Pugh, and then you throw in Rodney Huntson.

500
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Now they did bring in Brian Winners, and then you

501
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: have Justin Murray. There where's Josh Jones lining up? So

502
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm interested because you know last year they started rotating

503
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: guys and maybe because of injury, I thought Sweezy started

504
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: to break down and pew at times. But you want

505
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: to find the best eight, So who's the starting right guard?

506
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: And then we know that Calvin Beach's returning, So you

507
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure you have eight guys going into

508
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: the season, but you know, you want to settle with

509
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: the five or six guys if you have to bring

510
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: somebody else in. So, you know, I'm curious about Winners

511
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: and Murray, and then where's Josh Jones lining up? And

512
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: I'll also add Max Garcia, who probably is more of

513
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: a left guard with the ability also to play some center.

514
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Lamont Kilger, where does he fall in as far as

515
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: that second group on the offensive line is concerned. I'm

516
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: also curious as far as how that offensive line lines

517
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: up specifically with the one question mark at least that

518
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: I think they have, and that is at right guard.

519
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: The question is will we get to see that during

520
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: the open portion of mini camp or is that something

521
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: that is held until that twenty twenty five minutes whatever

522
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: it is closes and all of a sudden at camp

523
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Speaker 1: be reported on. We have to wait until training camp. Yeah,

524
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: how who is the right guard? I think is the

525
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: one big position starting position up for grabs on the

526
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Speaker 1: offensive side. And I don't think we're really gonna know,

527
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: you mean, they could rotate reps. I mean, you know,

528
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe one day, you know, Winners is a veteran guide.

529
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Is he gonna day off in camp? But obviously you're competing,

530
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: but again, they want competition. It's not like you're gonna

531
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: have three practices and say he's a starter. This is

532
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna this is gonna go on to training camp. And

533
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: you know, if I think that Cliff's gonna, you know,

534
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: stretch it out into maybe the last preseason game. But

535
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: we'll get an idea based on playtime, you know, in

536
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: practice in the preseason games. But you know, this is

537
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: not going to be decided this week. This is going

538
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: to be decided in August. And it is another thing

539
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: to consider because I kind of expect it to be

540
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Brian Winters at least on the start, and whether that's

541
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: you know, this week or training camp, because there is

542
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: that familiarity with the guy that he would be lining

543
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: up with on the right tackle, and that's Calvin Beacham.

544
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: They were teammates for a couple of seasons with the

545
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: New York Jets. So that's also something to pay attention

546
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: to because if you're looking to get the most out

547
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: of that right side. Again, individually, they don't have to

548
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: be all pros, but how do this group work together?

549
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: As a unit, and if Winters and Beacham can go

550
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: back to those seasons in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and

551
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I believe twenty nineteen with the Jets that all of

552
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe some of that chemistry comes back. I

553
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna do. I know what you're gonna do,

554
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that right side with Winters

555
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: and Beacham becomes maybe as solid as the less side

556
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: with Humphreys and Pew. Now another one is depth at

557
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. But you know, we know who's on

558
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: the roster right now, so who's getting the reps. We

559
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: know that Collins and Simmons are your starter. They do have,

560
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: you know, guys like ten Or Vallejo and Zeke Turner.

561
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: Kylie Fits is more of an edge guy. He could

562
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: set the edge. So you know, again, Devandre Campbell is

563
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: still out there. Maybe the Cardinals want to see what

564
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: they have. Evan Weavers, a guy that they drafted a

565
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: few years ago. He's more of a special teams player.

566
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Maybe who will get a chance to see him in

567
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: the preseason. So I wonder what they think of the

568
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: depth because after the OTAs, they felt like we need

569
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: to add a corner and that's when they went out

570
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and got de Nard. So you're always looking. And again

571
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: it's not like you know they're set with their starters.

572
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: Now it's about depth, and you take a look at

573
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: the last guy at every single position, there is there's

574
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: somebody out there that's better. You look at the number

575
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: of inside linebackers on the roster, it's eight and that

576
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: does include Jordan Hicks. And that's the wild card in

577
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: all of this. And we'll have to wait and see.

578
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: How I mentioned the depth and I'm talking about a vet,

579
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: not young player. Yeah, well okay, And then you look

580
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: at behind those guys. Are you comfortable with a Tanner

581
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: Vallejo being that guy as a backup or spotstarter? Evan

582
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Weavers he able to take that next step even though

583
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: he didn't play at all a year ago, spent the

584
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: entire season on the practice squad. Two other names to

585
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, and those are Jamal Carter and

586
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: Donald Rutledge, two players that they signed to futures contracts.

587
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Carter is an interesting six foot one, two hundred and

588
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds a safety that is moving to linebacker, but

589
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: he has experienced with coach Joseph. The two were together

590
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: in Denver in twenty seventeen. Is that a wrinkle that

591
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe we need to pay attention to because I'll be honest,

592
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about Carter. He's played, you know,

593
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: close to thirty games in the league, so he does

594
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: have experienced. Rutledge signed with the Colts as a rookie

595
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: free agent and then was released during final cuts a

596
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: year ago. But some names that aren't household names are

597
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: are they okay with that depth or to your point,

598
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: after OTAs, it's all of a sudden, Hey, you know what,

599
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: we need to make a move at cornerback. Let's get

600
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: dark was Denard and that was the move that was

601
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: made late last week. Is another move coming to your point,

602
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: MJ at inside linebacker after mandatory mini camp. Well, you

603
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: look at Carter and Rutledge. I mean, obviously, when you're back,

604
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you got to play on special teams. But let's be honest.

605
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: You know a team Tanner Vallejo and Zeke Turner they

606
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: excel on special teams. So there's a reason why these

607
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: guys are in there. And maybe they're sitting up there

608
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: saying we feel comfortable because they do have some experience

609
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: or a week again, if they go to certain packages,

610
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: we're probably going to see Zeke Turner, he's very athletic.

611
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: We'll see Tanner Vallejo. The reason why those guys were

612
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: on the field least show because of injuries, though Jordan

613
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Hicks was hurt, so Isaiah Simmons got a chance to

614
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: play against the Seahawks. So maybe they feel upstairs that

615
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a huge drop off. Obviously you're

616
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Speaker 1: looking at two young players, but also at the same time,

617
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: we can sprinkle in and there's other guys on this defense.

618
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: We can move around to help them out, So maybe

619
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: you feel differently. But I just haven't seen him to

620
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: where I can say are they comfortable, because I just

621
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: look at the depth and it's there's a little bit

622
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: of drop off. Nothing against those other guys, but they're

623
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: more special. Team's course, and knock on wood, here's helping.

624
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: We don't need to see that depth at inside linebacker.

625
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Collins and Simmons three down linebackers. They never come off

626
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: the field, or if they are, it's for a snap

627
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: or two, and that depth you need it, you need

628
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: to prepare it for it, but it doesn't come into

629
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: play I'll give you a piggyback on that because I

630
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: did not specifically inside linebackers, but I do want to

631
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: see and this or even hear a little bit as

632
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: well as Aban Collins. How vocal is he? I made

633
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: the comment last week watching OTAs that you could definitely

634
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: hear Buddha Baker's voice coming from the secondary. I need

635
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: to hear Zaven Collins's voice because when you're in the

636
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: middle of that defense, that voice is going to carry

637
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: to the defensive line and the back end. Especially now

638
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: with the expectation that we're going to have full stadiums

639
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: this season, you need to be vocal. I don't need

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Speaker 1: to hear it. The hands don't need to hear it,

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Speaker 1: but your teammates certainly do need to hear it. So

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Speaker 1: how vocal is Zaven Collins during these three days and

643
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Speaker 1: again that command of the defense. Is he continuing to

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Speaker 1: learn the playbook? As we've heard from linebackers coach Bill

645
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Speaker 1: Davis on the Big Red Rage, and then also do

646
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Speaker 1: we get more inside into that from coach Joseph this week,

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Speaker 1: perhaps he addresses the media and we can ask some

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Speaker 1: questions about Zaven Collins. Zaven Collins, He's got good pipes.

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Speaker 1: I'm more concerned because once you make the call, I'm

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Speaker 1: more concerned about him getting a lot guys lined up.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you know, if they show let's say

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: they just go eleven wide. It's more just based on personnel.

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Speaker 1: Does he hit JJ Watt on his hip to move over.

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00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: Does he move a linebacker on the outside to maybe

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Speaker 1: get on the line of scrimmage. Does he have a

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Speaker 1: corner come up and play press. I mean, he's got

657
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: to know where every single guy's lined up. So yes,

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Speaker 1: be vocal in the huddle, but you have to be vocal,

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out with the crowd, when you're when

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Speaker 1: they're showing motion and they're shifting and everything else, that's

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Speaker 1: where you got to be vocal. That's where you got

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Speaker 1: to use your hands. And you know, guys will know

663
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: if they're tapped on the hip, you got to move

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Speaker 1: to that side. So I'm again, I want to hear

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Speaker 1: the when he's barking the cadence or the play in

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Speaker 1: the huddle, But I want to see how he gets

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Speaker 1: these guys out. That's the most important thing. And it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a test against this Cardinals offense, and

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Speaker 1: I think This is why we heard coach Davis say

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Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage that look going up against

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Speaker 1: what Kingsbury does offensively, it's a great learning tool for

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Speaker 1: Azavan Collins or Isaiah Simmons. How exotic and how dynamic,

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00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: how creative is Kingsbury with some motion where guys are

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Speaker 1: lining up to give Collins a different look that he's

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Speaker 1: probably not seen on the pro level. I mean, yeah him,

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00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: She's done it at Tulsa on the college level, but

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00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot different because playbooks are a little bit

678
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: more exotic, they're a little bit more expansive, and you're

679
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Speaker 1: asked to do a whole lot more So. I like

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Speaker 1: what you had to say. As far as you know,

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Speaker 1: you have the play call, everyone's lined up, the offense

682
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Speaker 1: breaks to huddle, and all of a sudden, you have

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Speaker 1: to add and you have to do it on the fly.

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Speaker 1: And we know in training camp they're going to run

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Speaker 1: up tempo. I mean, because the Cardinals feel like they

686
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Speaker 1: can be a track team when it comes to obviously

687
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Speaker 1: being able to push the ball down the field. And

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Speaker 1: we watched the Lions in Week one and Cliff and

689
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Kyler's first game. Those guys were tired in the fourth quarters,

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Speaker 1: So they're going to benefit from that, considering you're going

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Speaker 1: to Tennessee and stadium that's outdoors could be a little

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Speaker 1: hot in human the month of September, So it'd be

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Speaker 1: interesting how they approached that because I think the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: defense was conditioned throughout the course of the year based

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Speaker 1: on how the offense was able to go up tempo

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Speaker 1: in training camp. You got anything else on mandatory mini camp,

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Speaker 1: I've got one more, but I just want to let you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you had any other thoughts on these

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Speaker 1: three days again, this is this is it burd gang

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Speaker 1: until they start a training camp. But as I've said,

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Speaker 1: something is better than nothing. Then there was nothing in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah, it's more just about wide receiver depth.

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Speaker 1: You know, where's Rondel Moore, Christian Kirk, Andy Azabella. Is

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: there anybody else we're not talking about? Is Joe Joe

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Speaker 1: Ward a guy that can maybe and then cornered up

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00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: they bring in deniards so I feel comfortable. What about

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00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson and Tay Gown And I really like the safeties.

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Speaker 1: I think they're you know, obviously you don't want to

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Speaker 1: lose Buddha Baker if Jalen Thompson can stay healthy. But

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Speaker 1: I think by drafting and going out in signing Williams

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Speaker 1: and getting Wiggins, I like where they are at the

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Speaker 1: safety position. So it's just more depth to me wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and corner. You brought up one thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be paying attention to, and again this might

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Speaker 1: fall into the category, is does it happen while we

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Speaker 1: are out there during the open portion? That is the

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Speaker 1: number two corner Robert Alford. It was good to see

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Speaker 1: him during OTA's dark. Was Denard now added to the mix?

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be some competition there? Who pushes

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Speaker 1: each other? We know they want to keep Byron Murphy

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Speaker 1: and the slot. Does Marco Wilson Tay Gowan take a

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Speaker 1: step here in mini camp and OTAs to where they

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Speaker 1: go into training camp feeling very good about one their

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Speaker 1: depth and in two maybe one of those young guys

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Speaker 1: does push and Alford or a Denard and becomes a starter.

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Speaker 1: But I'm real curious on how that opposites of Malcolm Butler.

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Speaker 1: Who's that guy? For years it's been who's that guy

728
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: opposite Patrick Peterson? Well, now who's that guy opposite Malcolm Butler?

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Speaker 1: Welford's been in this system for the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I would throw him the bone. I know that he

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: took a pay cut, and rightfully so, he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: able to stay healthy and they've been freak injuries. The

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Speaker 1: fact that he's been here for two years and we

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Speaker 1: know that when he's been healthy just in the workouts,

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Speaker 1: he's physical, he's not. He don't back down from anybody.

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Speaker 1: So I throw him a bone, meaning like it's your

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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: job to lose. Now we're going to create competition. I

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Speaker 1: do think when it comes to Wilson and Gown, they

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Speaker 1: may take a step back when you look at a

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Speaker 1: guy like Dennard Well, and then as far as the

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00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: number of reps, yes, as well, because you brought Denard

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00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: in for a reason. You want to get him up

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Speaker 1: to speed and how quickly does he grasp a defense

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00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: that he's familiar with. Remember coach Joseph his DB's coach

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00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: back in Cincinnati. So yeah, there is again the depth

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00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: at corner. I think has been addressed. Now it's okay

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00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: show us on the field that it doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: be addressed anymore. Well, who's your top five? Because we

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to keep nine defensive backs.

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Speaker 1: That means five corners for safeties. Do they keep five

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Speaker 1: safeties because they play much so much nickel and dime

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00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: defense in four corners. You know, I think Marco Wilson

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00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: has a better opportunity to make the active roster than

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Speaker 1: take Gowan curious to see, because not all these draft

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Speaker 1: picks are going to make the roster. Yeah, we're always

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Speaker 1: very high on the draft class immediately after the draft,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you get the training

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Speaker 1: camp and some of these rookies numbers they disappear, they're

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00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: not getting the reps or things are moving a little

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Speaker 1: bit faster. I mean, case in point, Evan Weaver didn't

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Speaker 1: make the fifty three, he spent the year on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad. Eno Benjamin inactive the entire season. And there

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Speaker 1: are later on picks, but again they were drafted for

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Speaker 1: a reason, just couldn't quite cut it at least last season.

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Speaker 1: They'll be given an opportunity or this season, and you

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Speaker 1: hope every draft pick makes it. But the numbers, as

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00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: you say, it's just it's not realistic. And along those lines,

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are gonna they're gonna benefit for

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Speaker 1: the last rookie class, didn't. They're gonna get a chance

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Speaker 1: to playing the preseason. If they play well enough, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have scouts at the game. You hate to lose

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Speaker 1: draft picks, but if they're guys are drafting in the

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Speaker 1: six and seventh round, you know, so be it. But

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get a chance to play, especially in that

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00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: last preseason game. So put something on film for yourself.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's a guarantee that all these

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Speaker 1: draft picks are gonna make the roster. And you know what,

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00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: that's a good thing because that means you have better

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Speaker 1: talent ahead of them. You know what happens after the

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Speaker 1: preseason Week one the regular season. We'll get into that.

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00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: But I need to remind the Bird Gang to subscribe

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. And that's right, the

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Speaker 1: regular season Week one. We've been talking about Week one

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Speaker 1: once that schedule came out m J September twelfth, at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: The storylines Malcolm Butler facing his former team, the defense

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Speaker 1: against Derrick Henry, who has led the league in rushing

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Speaker 1: the past two seasons, would be a great test for

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Speaker 1: two young linebackers in Zaman Collins and Isaiah Simmons. Well,

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00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: that game just became a whole heck of a lot

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Speaker 1: more interesting because news broke over the weekend that Julio

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Speaker 1: Jones is now a Tennessee. Titans acquired Sunday from the

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Speaker 1: Falcons for a second round pick in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: and a fourth round pick in twenty twenty three. My

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Speaker 1: first reaction MJ. Good, it's not an NFC West team.

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Speaker 1: Because Jones had been linked to the Rams Seahawks forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers DeAndre Hopkins tried to recruit him to the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: which would have been great. I don't know how feasible

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Speaker 1: or realistic that would have been. First reaction, I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with playing Julio Jones, or against Julio Jones once every

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Speaker 1: four years, if you will who's to twice every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think as the you know, obviously teams start to

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Speaker 1: drop out. And I never thought they were gonna get

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Speaker 1: our first round pick. You're talking age and then compensation

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Speaker 1: and then guaranteed money. But it looked like Seattle was

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Speaker 1: putting the full core press on and that would have

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Speaker 1: been concern for me considering they already have Tyler Lockett,

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Speaker 1: they already have dk Metcalf. We know Russell Wilson can

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Speaker 1: be Houdini at the time. Yeah, this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a tough matchup. It was gonna be a tough matchup

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Speaker 1: whether he went somewhere else. We know that it's all

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Speaker 1: gonna be about Derrick Henry. But they have a couple

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Speaker 1: weapons A J. Brown and Julio Jones. Now, and I

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Speaker 1: was looking up at some numbers over the week, and

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Speaker 1: the Titans faced eight man boxes twenty three percent of

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Speaker 1: the time last year. That tops in the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: Falcons face to eight man box only twelve percent. That's

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Speaker 1: sixteen So there's gonna be a lot of huge uptick

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Speaker 1: on one on one coverage. So you're gonna look, you

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Speaker 1: gotta cover. And so these Cardinals cornerbacks, they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: tested early and often that game. AJ Brown is a freak.

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Speaker 1: You know, Julio Jones has a lot in the tank

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Speaker 1: they're gonna eat. Now, you look at one hundred yard

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Speaker 1: receiving games produced in twenty twenty. You look at the

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley had eight himself, but you look at the Titans.

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Speaker 1: They had eleven games where they had a receiver over

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Speaker 1: one hundred yards. So it's gonna be a tough matchup

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Speaker 1: at accuracy on deep throws. When you look at Ryan

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Speaker 1: Tannehill versus Matt Ryan, accurate percentage deep throws twenty plus

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Speaker 1: yards in twenty twenty, Ryan third of all. I really

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Speaker 1: am sorry. Tannehill forty nine percent, Matt Ryan eighteenth only

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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent. I really like this deal for the

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Speaker 1: Titans and what it might mean for Derrick Henry. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned the eight man boxes. Well, you can't flood the

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Speaker 1: box if now, all of a sudden, you've got someone

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Speaker 1: else on the outside. You've got a J. Brown, and

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00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: now you add in a Julio Jones. That's going to

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Speaker 1: take some attention away from Derrick Henry. And keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: the Titans lost Corey Davis, they lost John H. Smith

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Speaker 1: to free agency. Both those players now gone to the

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Speaker 1: Jets and pay Creates, respectively. So I loved it in

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: that respect. I hate it for now what it means

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals and the defense and trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out how do you adjust now because you have to

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Speaker 1: focus on Jones and you have to focus on Brown.

851
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, don't forget about the best

852
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: running back in the league. But it is just one

853
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: game out of seventeen. And again, as I said, it's

854
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: just this season. It's not year in and year out.

855
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I liked what Kyle Shanahan had to say when he

856
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: addressed the media on Sunday. If it couldn't be the

857
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, that's fine, Let it be someone in

858
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: the AFC so we didn't have to deal with them.

859
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: I echo that. I echo that. Now. The thing is,

860
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: though we know the Cardinals want to play man and

861
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: man press. I mean, we'll have months to talk about this.

862
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Who are you putting on a j Brown and who

863
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: are you putting on Julio Jones? Well, I think right now,

864
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: if I'm lining up, I'm selling Malcolm Butler. Hey, you

865
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: wanted this matchup against the Titans. You prove it you're

866
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: on Julio Jones. And then now all of a sudden

867
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: we get back to our conversation, who's that number two corner?

868
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: You got a j Brown? Whether that's all very bard? Yeah,

869
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: you better have some safety over the top, safety help

870
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: because Malcolm Butler he can cover, he's physical line of scream.

871
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: Did you get a speed guy? You better get some help.

872
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: And that was always the fun matchup, the Falcons and Cardinals,

873
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: a couple of former SEC guys, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson,

874
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: and that was always a fun matchup because Peterson was

875
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: going to get his. Jones was gonna get his, and well,

876
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: there will be it will be number eleven against number

877
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: twenty one. Keep in mind, Malcolm Butler does wear number

878
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: twenty one, so that at least will remain the same.

879
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: But I am looking forward to that matchup specifically. And again,

880
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: are you on Julio Jones as it or as Malcolm Butler?

881
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: You know, getting some help? But you know that one

882
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: on one matchup I would love to see. Yeah, we

883
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: know one thing Byron Murphy covered Julio Jones a couple

884
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: of years ago, that's not going to happen. Yeah, that

885
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: was when Alfred was Hurts Peterson suspended, and all of

886
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, Murphy gets thrown into the fire, and that

887
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: was again, maybe it becomes the best thing that ever

888
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: happened to him, but at the time, it was, hey,

889
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL. Here's Julio Jones, a future Hall

890
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: of Famer and someone that is still one of the

891
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: best wide receivers in the NFL. And getting back to

892
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: one hundred yards receiving games produced, the Cardinals actually were

893
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: Tywood Tampa and they have a really good wide receiver corps.

894
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: Now we know that Brady took eight weeks to kind

895
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: of figure it out, very similar to Carson Palmer. So

896
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: again Calvin really headed all by himself, but number eight

897
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: eight guys at least went over one hundred yards with

898
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and Cardinals, Seahawks seven, the Rams five, and

899
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: then you had some other teams only had a couple.

900
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: So the Cardinals are in that equation. Now it's a

901
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: matter of having you know, not only hot but somebody.

902
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: If they can get another receiver to get to seventy

903
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: or eighty yards, then all of a sudden you're putting

904
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: more points on the board. We mentioned that matchup against

905
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy. In twenty nineteen, Darren Urban of easy Cardinals

906
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: dot Com blogged about it and mentioned those games, and

907
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: in that contest, the Cardinals won by the way, thirty

908
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: four to thirty three, but Jones had eight catches for

909
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight yards. Again, I'm okay if he

910
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: gets his at the end of the day, Cardinals get

911
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: the win, and it is going to be very difficult

912
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: to stop Julio Jones and stop at Derrick Henry and

913
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: guy gets over one hundred yards receiving one hundred yards rushing.

914
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: That's fine individually, but at the end of the day,

915
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: as long as you have one more point than the Titans,

916
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, all that matters. But the thing

917
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: is you got to eliminate the big plays. You can't

918
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: allow Derrick Henry to get to the second layer in

919
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: a four yard game becomes a sixty yard You can't

920
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: let Julio Jones get over the top, or maybe a

921
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: thirty yard pass becomes a sixty yard touchdown. So obviously

922
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: you want to force turnovers. You can't turn the ball over.

923
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Obviously the run defense is going to be huge. You

924
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: put him in third and long Tannehill's done a really

925
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: good job. Lyle Doggins actually was a one year play

926
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: caller with the Falcons, so he's familiar with Julio Jones.

927
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to replace Arthur Smith, but

928
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: it's going to be a fascinating matchup. And you know,

929
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: this is the NFL. There's any given Sonny, something can happen.

930
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, there'll be plenty of time during

931
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: trending camp leading into Week one to discuss more about

932
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: how the Cardinals might defend this Titans offense now with

933
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, and it's one of those questions, maybe the

934
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: question of the offer. I take that back. The question

935
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: of the off season around the league is Aaron Rodgers

936
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: and what happens in Green Bay. But number two might

937
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: have been Julio Jones and his future with the Falcons.

938
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: That's now been answered. And again, thank you very much

939
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: that it was a team in the AFC as opposed

940
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: to the NFC and specifically the NFC West. I guess

941
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you just try to

942
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: slow Derrick Henry down. He's going to get his yards

943
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: and you know we'll see you know, aj, I'm sorry

944
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: Julio is going to be a weapon in the red

945
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: zone now, I mean, he's a big target. You know.

946
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: I thought Arthur Smith did a really good job getting

947
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: guys in space. They'll run that, you know, that bubble screen,

948
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: the jet sweep with a J. Brown, very similar with

949
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are gonna do roundal Moore and he's

950
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you who's got their work cut out,

951
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, Isaiah Simmons. It was already going to be

952
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: a difficult first test, and it just became exponentially more

953
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: difficult with this X factor, if you will, to now

954
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: to figure out all right, let's we just we talked

955
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: about getting guys lined up, making the adjustments, and all

956
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, as opposed to one wide receiver that

957
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: you're focused on, you've got two. And I really like

958
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: a J. Brown, and I think the Titans are have

959
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: someone that they hope blossoms into something. But now all

960
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you've got one. You've got that one

961
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: two punch, much like the Cardinals were looking for and

962
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: they hope they've found with Hopkins and AJ Green, Because

963
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I do think you need that second wide receiver to

964
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: really help out an offense and to put that defense

965
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: on its heels. I was looking at a list best

966
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: receiving duo. It could be a tight end and a

967
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Okay, So, and this is the teams that

968
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to play this year, Seahawks Metcalf and Lockett, Cleveland,

969
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: Beckham and Lantry, Dallas, Amari Cooper and Cedee Lamb Feeling

970
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson. And then you're throwing Brown and Jones

971
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: and they won't face Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelsey or

972
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: Mike Evans and Godwin. So Cardinals are going to face

973
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: one of the best, and it could be a tight end,

974
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: but it looks like a lot of wide receivers too,

975
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: double wide receivers. So and then when it comes to

976
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: murderers Row the running backs they face in the entire season,

977
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: including in Week one, where you gotta go against Henry,

978
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: Week two is Delvin Cook, and at some point you

979
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: got to go against McCaffrey. So, man, you better bring

980
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: your hard hat. And that's why when the schedule comes

981
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: out and May, everything looks great, and then all of

982
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: a sudden there are moves May post schedule. And again

983
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: we always knew that Week one contest was going to

984
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: be difficult, but even more so now. But still looking

985
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: very much forward to it, and I hope the Cardinals

986
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: come ready to play. I'll say this, They've got this

987
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: perfect motivation now all offseason, all training camp, bench Joseph.

988
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: All he has to do is played Derrick Henry highlights,

989
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: Julio Jones highlights. And if that's not motivation enough, then

990
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with this Cardinals to listen, this is

991
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: the NFL, and the fact that you're going on the

992
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: road against an AFC team, you know, go there and

993
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: show what you're worth because you come home and you're

994
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: home opened against the Vikings, and schedule is not going

995
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: to get easier. I mean, yeah, they're gonna look at

996
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: teams and say, maybe they shouldn't win a lot of games,

997
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: but it's the NFL, so they I believe they'll be

998
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: ready for the task. But you're gonna have to match

999
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the intensity and the physicality of these teams if you

1000
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: want to win on Sundays. And a lot of that

1001
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: work is this week during mandatory mini camp and much

1002
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: more on what happens this week as the week progresses

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Speaker 1: here and we'll cover for here on Cardinals cover two,

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

1007
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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Momahundro for Mike Jarecki, I'm preg Riel Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals cover two.