WEBVTT - #519 Packers Unscripted: Combine chatter

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike Spofford, joined by Wes Hodkowitz and Larry

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<v Speaker 1>McCarn We are here at the Convention Center in downtown

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<v Speaker 1>Indianapolis the annual NFL scouting Combine. We're a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days into this extravaganza, gentleman, and the first day, on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard from Packers head coach Matt Lafleur and general

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<v Speaker 1>manager Brian Gouda Kunst. I'm just interested in your biggest

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway from the information that they provided. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>starts with the fact Matt Lafleur mentioning this team is

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<v Speaker 1>the hunted again. I mean, you go two years where

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<v Speaker 1>they were out of the playoffs, they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>play catch up again within the NFC and obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC North, and here they are again, thirteen and three,

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<v Speaker 1>getting back to an NFC title game. In what they

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<v Speaker 1>need to do not only to maintain that, but take

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<v Speaker 1>that next step. And I look at this roster right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's young, it's deep, it's talented. You need to find

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<v Speaker 1>those extra prospects through this process, and maybe another one

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<v Speaker 1>of these free agents or two that can help put

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<v Speaker 1>you over the hump. But this team very much is

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<v Speaker 1>confident where it's going, the direction that it's in, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously what it's going to take to get where they

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<v Speaker 1>want to go. Yeah, Larry, how about you, Mike? I

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<v Speaker 1>found it interesting the different points of view when you

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<v Speaker 1>ask them the receiver question, are you interested? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to upgrade there? Because Brian Goodkins kind of played

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<v Speaker 1>up more middle of the road because we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>whether you go with what you've done before, the big

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<v Speaker 1>tall range you guys, because the Packers haven't mess him,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you go with it or you kind of dip

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<v Speaker 1>into those smaller receivers and Brian Whylle, we'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>have that big guy that can do it all. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I asked Matt Lafleur the same question, that said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if we can hit a guy on a

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<v Speaker 1>shallow cross or you can take a sixty yards or

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown, that's the guy I'm looking for. Sure, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting how that dynamic plays out. Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting back to your point, West, Larry, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>both covered the entirety of Mike McCarthy's coaching career, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he said it once, he said it a hundred times.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest challenges in this league, if not

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest challenge, is handling success. And as Matt Lafleur said,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers are one of the hunted again. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a team that is going to have to learn in

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<v Speaker 1>how to handle success. Now, there are plenty of guys

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<v Speaker 1>in that locker room who have been through this before,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are also a lot of guys in that

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<v Speaker 1>locker room who hadn't been to the playoffs before, who

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<v Speaker 1>had gone through the two losing seasons in eighteen and

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<v Speaker 1>that's all they knew in the NFL. Larry, I'm interested

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<v Speaker 1>in your perspective here. You went through some ups and

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<v Speaker 1>downs in your career with the Packers. Well, but thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing it up. But there were there there people

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<v Speaker 1>can't even remember anymore. I could say it a ten

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<v Speaker 1>time Super Bowl champion Warriors right there. Now, he played

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<v Speaker 1>with Fuzzy and Jerry. But how did things change when

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<v Speaker 1>you were going into an off season and getting prepared

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<v Speaker 1>for another season, when the expectations from the outside were

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little higher than they had been previously. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a great thing. I think expectations are absolutely fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found an interesting yesterday talking to Matt Furre.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you know, we're either getting better or getting

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<v Speaker 1>worse no matter how you ended the season, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the final four or a long way from it,

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<v Speaker 1>you are on a daily basis, both collectively and individually,

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<v Speaker 1>you are either getting better or worse. And as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you take that approach, expectations be whatever they may be.

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<v Speaker 1>So what it's about here, what's inside here, and what

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<v Speaker 1>you expect of yourself and your teammates. You know, in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways too, I look at this team. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they went farther than what happened in two thousand line,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that this could really be the launching

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<v Speaker 1>point for them getting with younger guys on this roster

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<v Speaker 1>who hadn't experience playoff football before. There's no false confidence

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<v Speaker 1>with these guys. I mean a guy like jyr Alexander,

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<v Speaker 1>he's as confident as anyone's ever walked into that locker

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<v Speaker 1>room in my time on the beat, and now he

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<v Speaker 1>has that experience behind him of playing postseason football. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you chase fourteen wins. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for these you know, statistics or maybe numerals

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of what makes you better. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if the packers are able to sort of use

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<v Speaker 1>it as a launching point, use it as sort of

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<v Speaker 1>something that can really springboard them now into two thousand twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces are there and in so many different facets. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>are they gonna lose a couple of guys here in

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks. Undoubtedly that's what happens with the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL in the free agent process. But you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this entire roster and the depth that they built up

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<v Speaker 1>through the course of the year, and how they did

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<v Speaker 1>respond to the few moments of adversity that they saw

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<v Speaker 1>along the way, I think there's a reason to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that this is only the beginning of bigger things to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a prediction for you. The guys, the rank and

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<v Speaker 1>file are going to get tired of being asked about

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<v Speaker 1>measuring up to last year, bettering last year. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get sick and tired of last year. And here's another thing,

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<v Speaker 1>just personal opinion, last year is not going to play

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of a role in this year. The dynamics

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<v Speaker 1>change on both sides of the equation. Your locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>your personnel, Your everything changes a bit from year to year.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as you'd go to bottle it up and

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<v Speaker 1>keep some of the stuff they had, keeping that locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>keep that good health, how would that be. As much

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<v Speaker 1>as you want to bottle it just doesn't happen that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And every year you gotta earn it once again. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the challenge that faces the Green Bay Packers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, as I mentioned, they're gonna be more

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<v Speaker 1>than ready for that challenge because they're gonna get sick

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<v Speaker 1>here and about last year. Yeah, And that speaks to

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<v Speaker 1>something Brian Goodakoon's has emphasized over and over again here

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<v Speaker 1>is we've heard from him in the off season, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is that this offseason is not about just chasing

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<v Speaker 1>the San Francisco forty niners and figuring out how to

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<v Speaker 1>beat them, because as you said, Larry, it's a year

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<v Speaker 1>to year thing. You never know how it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>come together, not only for the Packers, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>other teams in the league. You don't know who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be that team to beat. Maybe it'll be Green Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it'll be San Francisco again, maybe it'll be somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else who wasn't in the playoffs the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the forty Niners and the Packers were in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. They were in that position. So Brian Goudacuin's

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<v Speaker 1>his personnel staff, the coaching staff. This is about putting

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<v Speaker 1>together and building a roster that's going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to withstand the adversity, withstand whatever storms come your way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about the opponents. It's about what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve sixty five and fortifying and building that roster,

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<v Speaker 1>using the combine here to look to the future and

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<v Speaker 1>put things together so that, as Larry said, you can

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<v Speaker 1>keep getting better so you don't start going the other way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and history is always the biggest predictor of future success

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<v Speaker 1>and what's going to happen. And just look at what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened over the last ten years in the NFC.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were looking at the New York Giant in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven, well then there comes to San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>forty Niners, Seattle comes right after that, Arizona gets hot,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you obviously had the run that you had

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<v Speaker 1>with the Atlanta Falcons and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>The league changes, the league evolves in one year does

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily just indicate what's going to happen the next

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<v Speaker 1>There is a challenge. I think it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>really deep NFC again next year. But the Packers are

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<v Speaker 1>back to where they want to be. This isn't like

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<v Speaker 1>last year where there was questions about, well, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anybody left from the two thousand fifteen draft. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna do about some of these positions where

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<v Speaker 1>there's been uncertainty. They have found a way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>tip my cap to Brian Goudicus with this that they

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<v Speaker 1>went and found for free agents that were immediate upgrades

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<v Speaker 1>for them. They were able to influence and change the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive culture and Aaron Jones becomes a legitimate playmaker in

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<v Speaker 1>this league. There are more answers than questions, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, where do we need to find the ways

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<v Speaker 1>to learn from what happened in the past to put

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<v Speaker 1>them back in a Super Bowl? Yeah? Well, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get back to to Larry's original point about the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers looking at some wide receivers. They're looking at obviously

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<v Speaker 1>some upgrades on offense here as they look to the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also heard about the running back position yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and the Packers trying to maybe build some

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<v Speaker 1>more depth at running back. You talked about Aaron Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Jamal Williams. Well, both those guys are going into

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<v Speaker 1>a contract year, so you don't know how long necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>you keep that duo together. So fortifying that position, building

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<v Speaker 1>some depth there, That's something Matt Lafleur talked about as

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<v Speaker 1>well in terms of what he wants to the extra

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<v Speaker 1>thing that he wants to bring to this offense. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and the thing I keep bringing up as a San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco forty niners two years ago, they went and signed

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<v Speaker 1>Jeric McKinnon. That was supposed to be the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be their offensive You know Bell Cow, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's had injury after injury where he moster comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of relatively nowhere off of all these different practice squads

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<v Speaker 1>to become one of their leading rushers this season. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Tavon Coleman. I mean, that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate guy that the Packers have become very familiar with.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they need to go to Jeff Wilson, they

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<v Speaker 1>did it. When they had to go to Kyle us Check,

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<v Speaker 1>they did it. I think That just shows you that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily want eight running backs. You don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who you're running with, but you need to have options

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of a long season. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the point the Floor is trying to bring up. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you look at what the New England Patriots

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<v Speaker 1>did for a lot of years match up football, not

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<v Speaker 1>really knowing who they're going to hit you with in

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<v Speaker 1>any given week. There is something to be said for

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of unpredictability as well, where hey, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>not always Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. Maybe there's a

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<v Speaker 1>third option they can really beat you with. Guys, something

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<v Speaker 1>about the running back position, and history will bear this out.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, Pro Football Focused did a

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<v Speaker 1>scientific study encompasses the last fourteen years in the National

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<v Speaker 1>Football League. You can find running backs anywhere, any round,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find them. The Packers are great testament to

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<v Speaker 1>the jam I mean her and Jones. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>was highly a big time first day while round one

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<v Speaker 1>draft choice, but look at the season he had. But

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<v Speaker 1>history says you can find running backs anywhere. So just

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<v Speaker 1>if he's one of the picks in the sixth or

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh round, doesn't mean he's not a player because

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<v Speaker 1>you can find him. James Starks was another one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go back to two thousand Town. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>what he provided for them, they are there. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find maybe a third option to really give

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<v Speaker 1>you that extra dimension to that offense. Yeah, and Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur also talked about in terms of refining revising some

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<v Speaker 1>things offensively talked about the play calling, the verbiage. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they want to tighten that up so that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the no huddle, the up tempo stuff becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more of an option, not just in the

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<v Speaker 1>two minute drill and whatnot. My point is, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see this Matt Lafleur offense evolved. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see the whole shooting match, so to speak, in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some more things that that he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>do going forward. Yeah, it was one of those things too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never really got to grow accustomed to watching Rogers

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<v Speaker 1>with the know the sleeve. I never had been really

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<v Speaker 1>used to. I was surprised that Din become more of

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<v Speaker 1>a story because as the season we're on, people just

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<v Speaker 1>got kind of used to it. And I would like

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year. If I had thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it, I would have asked, Hey, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>like the wrist band it? But nobody really ever focused

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<v Speaker 1>on that story as time went on. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that was my biggest takeaway if you go back to

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<v Speaker 1>last month's season ending news conference, was the fleur kind

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about the fact they didn't really get into

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<v Speaker 1>their hurry up stuff. They're no huddle other than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>moments of necessity, and I think that is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big calling card when you have Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of have that that card up your sleeve.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of things that play into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers is part of it. The pieces around him are

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<v Speaker 1>part of that. But I think with him mentioning the

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<v Speaker 1>verbiage and in the offensive coaches working to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe simplify some of those things that can go a

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<v Speaker 1>long way, especially when you're plugging playing different types of athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a couple of things going on at

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<v Speaker 1>work here when you talk about the Packers and where's

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<v Speaker 1>the offense headed Number one is the things you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about right now, and that's adding to the list of

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<v Speaker 1>things you do and so forth and the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't underestimate because this because now that you have

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<v Speaker 1>a season of getting acclimated. I'm not talking just Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about you have a whole season working it.

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<v Speaker 1>What you do, the things you hang your hat on,

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<v Speaker 1>you will do better because you've got another year in

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<v Speaker 1>the system. There's two avenues for improvement when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packer offensive football. Yeah, a couple of other

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of news to pass along. Matt Lafleur did mention

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday that it sounds like there's an agreement in

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<v Speaker 1>place for the Packers to host joint practices for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days in training camp again next summer, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't quite prepared to reveal what team that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. The other thing is he also spoke

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<v Speaker 1>very highly of the new defensive backs coach that he

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<v Speaker 1>hired in Jerry Gray. A veteran guy. He's been a

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator in this league for a couple of years. Most

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<v Speaker 1>recently he spent several years coaching the secondary with the

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Vikings. He's very excited about the experience that a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like Jerry Gray bring will bring to the secondary room.

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like he's kind of maybe looking for

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<v Speaker 1>an experienced type of guy for that wide either coach

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<v Speaker 1>position that is still open. Yeah, they're still looking to

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<v Speaker 1>fill that right now, obviously getting some help scouting prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>but getting back to Gray, I think having a new

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<v Speaker 1>voice in there and in Jason Simmons did a wonderful job.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Wit did a wonderful job during their time in

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay. But you look at his credentials and what

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<v Speaker 1>he accomplished in Minnesota. There are some Blue Chippers that

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<v Speaker 1>he helped develop and they weren't all first round draft picks.

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<v Speaker 1>So to see what he brings to this group, and

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<v Speaker 1>in something I thought that was interesting to the floor

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it's not just the defensive backs. He's really excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see what he could potentially add to that whole

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<v Speaker 1>defensive staff as they you know, try to get some

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<v Speaker 1>more options there as well. Gray is also a former player,

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<v Speaker 1>which does not necessarily make you a good coach. However,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I've heard, he has incorporated that approach, that

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<v Speaker 1>experience that you just can't replace. He's incorporated that into

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<v Speaker 1>his coaching style and the guys really respect him. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are a good coach and happened to be a

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<v Speaker 1>former player. It's like a double bonus. But like I've mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you play doesn't make you a good coach,

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<v Speaker 1>but in some cases it puts you over the top

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<v Speaker 1>as far as being a position coach. Well, over our

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<v Speaker 1>first two days here in Indy, we have heard from

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of the offensive prospects college players who

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<v Speaker 1>are heading into the draft. Before we go today, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask you, guys for the best story you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard from a prospect at these podiums behind us through

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<v Speaker 1>these first couple of days. Larry is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>sticks out to you. It's really a shame, Mike, that

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<v Speaker 1>you came to me first on this, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a big sound bite guy, especially in this atmosphere. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's on their best behavior. Nobody has fumbled, nobody has

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<v Speaker 1>missed a block, nobody has missed a tackle. The birds

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<v Speaker 1>are singing, and the sky is blue as far as

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<v Speaker 1>football goes. I'm not a real big sound bite guy

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and what I want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>when the thing kind of gets focused a little more,

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<v Speaker 1>to start grind and tape, and then when I see

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<v Speaker 1>a guy's a play here, The next step for me

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<v Speaker 1>is seeing what he has to say. But first I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta decide if he used to play. Sorry, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way I look at all right. I gotta throw

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<v Speaker 1>a quick little plug for James Morgan uh my former

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<v Speaker 1>life as a newspaper man. This is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>last guys that I actually covered when I was at

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper. The Green Bay Press Gazette covered him when

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<v Speaker 1>they won a state championship in the relay. And he

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<v Speaker 1>is a really interesting story because not only is he

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<v Speaker 1>looking to become the first area quarterback from the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay metroary to get drafted in thirty two years, he

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<v Speaker 1>also grew up a brat fare fan like many kids

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<v Speaker 1>in the Green Bay area. The story I love from

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<v Speaker 1>him the most. He wore number four growing up all

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<v Speaker 1>the way until his eighth grade year. Then he switched

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<v Speaker 1>over to number twelve. When he was asked about why

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<v Speaker 1>he made that decision, he basically said, you can figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out. So those were his two big idols. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback that I think when you look at where

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<v Speaker 1>he came from, he felt like he was under recruited

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Wisconsin. He thinks that's something that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of young guys in this state have had

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<v Speaker 1>to really overcome. But he went to Ball State and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just say Bowling Green and then he also

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<v Speaker 1>went down to f I you and he very well

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<v Speaker 1>could be drafted here in two months time. Who was

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<v Speaker 1>the last Bay quarterback to get drafted? Budd Keys from

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<v Speaker 1>He was after Jerry tagging Jerry and I played a

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<v Speaker 1>little better. Well one story. I want to pass along

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<v Speaker 1>quickly because you hear a lot of great ones. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea if the Packers are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this player, and that's not why I'm bringing him up.

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<v Speaker 1>And he may not even be drafted until the late

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<v Speaker 1>rounds of this draft. But Adam Troutman the tight end

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<v Speaker 1>from the Dayton Flyers. Now, when you say Dayton Flyers,

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<v Speaker 1>people usually think basketball, right, this is a non scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>football program. In high school, he was a veer triple

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<v Speaker 1>option quarterback. He also played corner as like a six

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<v Speaker 1>three kid. He said he was one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>cornerbacks on the field. Well, he tries to email college

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<v Speaker 1>programs to get some interest and get a scholarship. He

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<v Speaker 1>says he was ghosted. Nobody replied to him at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He ends up going to Dayton as a non scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>football player, just jumps in as a tight end, makes

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<v Speaker 1>a diving catch one day in practice. The coaches like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, there's our tight end, and now here he

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<v Speaker 1>is at the scouting combine. He's probably going to get

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<v Speaker 1>drafted at some point when a few years ago he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even thinking he'd be able to play college football,

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<v Speaker 1>get anybody to pay attention to him. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of stories that are really fun to listen

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<v Speaker 1>here to here at the combine, and we'll get some

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<v Speaker 1>more the next couple of days from the defensive guys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's cool, because as big as that Joe Burrows

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<v Speaker 1>like media scrum can get, and obviously Jonathan Taylor just

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<v Speaker 1>spoke a little while ago, it's those guys that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just got here by chance, by happenstance, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day end up becoming NFL football players. Yeah, alright, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>with that, we will sign off on this edition of

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<v Speaker 1>Packers Unscripted from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Will

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<v Speaker 1>have another episode here before we go. Until then, for

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<v Speaker 1>Larry and West, I'm Mike, we will see you next time,