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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by Wes Hodkowitz and Larry

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Speaker 1: McCarn We are here at the Convention Center in downtown

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis the annual NFL scouting Combine. We're a couple of

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Speaker 1: days into this extravaganza, gentleman, and the first day, on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: we heard from Packers head coach Matt Lafleur and general

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Speaker 1: manager Brian Gouda Kunst. I'm just interested in your biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaway from the information that they provided. I think it

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Speaker 1: starts with the fact Matt Lafleur mentioning this team is

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Speaker 1: the hunted again. I mean, you go two years where

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Speaker 1: they were out of the playoffs, they were trying to

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Speaker 1: play catch up again within the NFC and obviously the

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Speaker 1: NFC North, and here they are again, thirteen and three,

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Speaker 1: getting back to an NFC title game. In what they

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Speaker 1: need to do not only to maintain that, but take

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Speaker 1: that next step. And I look at this roster right now,

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Speaker 1: it's young, it's deep, it's talented. You need to find

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Speaker 1: those extra prospects through this process, and maybe another one

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Speaker 1: of these free agents or two that can help put

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Speaker 1: you over the hump. But this team very much is

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Speaker 1: confident where it's going, the direction that it's in, and

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Speaker 1: obviously what it's going to take to get where they

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Speaker 1: want to go. Yeah, Larry, how about you, Mike? I

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Speaker 1: found it interesting the different points of view when you

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Speaker 1: ask them the receiver question, are you interested? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to upgrade there? Because Brian Goodkins kind of played

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Speaker 1: up more middle of the road because we're talking about

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Speaker 1: whether you go with what you've done before, the big

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Speaker 1: tall range you guys, because the Packers haven't mess him,

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Speaker 1: whether you go with it or you kind of dip

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Speaker 1: into those smaller receivers and Brian Whylle, we'd love to

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Speaker 1: have that big guy that can do it all. But

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Speaker 1: when I asked Matt Lafleur the same question, that said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we can hit a guy on a

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Speaker 1: shallow cross or you can take a sixty yards or

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Speaker 1: a touchdown, that's the guy I'm looking for. Sure, it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting how that dynamic plays out. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Getting back to your point, West, Larry, you and I

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Speaker 1: both covered the entirety of Mike McCarthy's coaching career, and

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Speaker 1: if he said it once, he said it a hundred times.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest challenges in this league, if not

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Speaker 1: the biggest challenge, is handling success. And as Matt Lafleur said,

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Speaker 1: the Packers are one of the hunted again. This is

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Speaker 1: a team that is going to have to learn in

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Speaker 1: how to handle success. Now, there are plenty of guys

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Speaker 1: in that locker room who have been through this before,

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Speaker 1: but there are also a lot of guys in that

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Speaker 1: locker room who hadn't been to the playoffs before, who

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Speaker 1: had gone through the two losing seasons in eighteen and

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Speaker 1: that's all they knew in the NFL. Larry, I'm interested

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Speaker 1: in your perspective here. You went through some ups and

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Speaker 1: downs in your career with the Packers. Well, but thanks

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Speaker 1: for bringing it up. But there were there there people

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Speaker 1: can't even remember anymore. I could say it a ten

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Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion Warriors right there. Now, he played

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Speaker 1: with Fuzzy and Jerry. But how did things change when

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Speaker 1: you were going into an off season and getting prepared

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Speaker 1: for another season, when the expectations from the outside were

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Speaker 1: maybe a little higher than they had been previously. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a great thing. I think expectations are absolutely fine.

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Speaker 1: And I found an interesting yesterday talking to Matt Furre.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, we're either getting better or getting

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Speaker 1: worse no matter how you ended the season, and if

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Speaker 1: you're in the final four or a long way from it,

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Speaker 1: you are on a daily basis, both collectively and individually,

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Speaker 1: you are either getting better or worse. And as long

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Speaker 1: as you take that approach, expectations be whatever they may be.

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Speaker 1: So what it's about here, what's inside here, and what

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Speaker 1: you expect of yourself and your teammates. You know, in

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Speaker 1: some ways too, I look at this team. You know,

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Speaker 1: they went farther than what happened in two thousand line,

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Speaker 1: but I think that this could really be the launching

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Speaker 1: point for them getting with younger guys on this roster

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Speaker 1: who hadn't experience playoff football before. There's no false confidence

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Speaker 1: with these guys. I mean a guy like jyr Alexander,

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Speaker 1: he's as confident as anyone's ever walked into that locker

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Speaker 1: I don't think you chase fourteen wins. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're looking for these you know, statistics or maybe numerals

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Speaker 1: in terms of what makes you better. But I think

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Speaker 1: something that can really springboard them now into two thousand twenty,

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Speaker 1: the pieces are there and in so many different facets. Now,

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Undoubtedly that's what happens with the

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Speaker 1: respond to the few moments of adversity that they saw

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Speaker 1: along the way, I think there's a reason to believe

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Speaker 1: that this is only the beginning of bigger things to come.

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Speaker 1: Here's a prediction for you. The guys, the rank and

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Speaker 1: file are going to get tired of being asked about

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Speaker 1: measuring up to last year, bettering last year. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: get sick and tired of last year. And here's another thing,

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Speaker 1: just personal opinion, last year is not going to play

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Speaker 1: any kind of a role in this year. The dynamics

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Speaker 1: change on both sides of the equation. Your locker room,

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Speaker 1: your personnel, Your everything changes a bit from year to year.

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Speaker 1: As much as you'd go to bottle it up and

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Speaker 1: keep some of the stuff they had, keeping that locker room,

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Speaker 1: keep that good health, how would that be. As much

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Speaker 1: And every year you gotta earn it once again. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the challenge that faces the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: and I think, as I mentioned, they're gonna be more

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Speaker 1: here and about last year. Yeah, And that speaks to

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Speaker 1: something Brian Goodakoon's has emphasized over and over again here

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Speaker 1: is we've heard from him in the off season, and

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Speaker 1: that is that this offseason is not about just chasing

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Speaker 1: beat them, because as you said, Larry, it's a year

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Speaker 1: to year thing. You never know how it's going to

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Speaker 1: come together, not only for the Packers, but for the

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Speaker 1: other teams in the league. You don't know who's going

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Speaker 1: to be that team to beat. Maybe it'll be Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: else who wasn't in the playoffs the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: just like the forty Niners and the Packers were in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. They were in that position. So Brian Goudacuin's

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Speaker 1: his personnel staff, the coaching staff. This is about putting

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Speaker 1: It's not about the opponents. It's about what's going on

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Speaker 1: using the combine here to look to the future and

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Speaker 1: put things together so that, as Larry said, you can

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Speaker 1: keep getting better so you don't start going the other way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and history is always the biggest predictor of future success

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Speaker 1: If you were looking at the New York Giant in

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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, well then there comes to San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: The league changes, the league evolves in one year does

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Speaker 1: not necessarily just indicate what's going to happen the next

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Speaker 1: There is a challenge. I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: really deep NFC again next year. But the Packers are

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Speaker 1: back to where they want to be. This isn't like

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Speaker 1: last year where there was questions about, well, you didn't

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Speaker 1: there's been uncertainty. They have found a way. And I

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Speaker 1: went and found for free agents that were immediate upgrades

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Speaker 1: this league. There are more answers than questions, and now

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Speaker 1: it's okay, where do we need to find the ways

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Speaker 1: to learn from what happened in the past to put

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Speaker 1: them back in a Super Bowl? Yeah? Well, I want

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Speaker 1: to get back to to Larry's original point about the

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Speaker 1: Packers looking at some wide receivers. They're looking at obviously

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Speaker 1: But we also heard about the running back position yesterday

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Speaker 1: there's Jamal Williams. Well, both those guys are going into

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Pro Football Focused did a

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Speaker 1: scientific study encompasses the last fourteen years in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. You can find running backs anywhere, any round,

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Speaker 1: you can find them. The Packers are great testament to

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Speaker 1: the jam I mean her and Jones. I mean he

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Speaker 1: When you go back to two thousand Town. I mean

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Speaker 1: what he provided for them, they are there. It's just

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