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Speaker 1: his incredible story from his new book, From Junkie to Jerusalem.

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Speaker 1: That's right, From Junkie to Jerusalem, a Journey of thassity.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that journal, around the table

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Speaker 1: is April. I like that title. I do too. That's

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Speaker 1: a that's a keeper right there. And God can use anybody.

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Speaker 1: I love what you said.

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Speaker 2: There's hope for everybody because God only uses imperfect.

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Speaker 1: You because you're and you call yourself a hope giver,

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Speaker 1: hope dealers what I like to dealer. I love that

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Speaker 1: is a testimony you know, God's It's just it just

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Speaker 1: shows you God's grace, his redeeming love and mercy. It's

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Speaker 1: be so good. Rachel Lamb Brown. We love testimonies around here,

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Speaker 1: yes you do.

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Speaker 3: And there's nothing more powerful than a transform life. And

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Speaker 3: this one is just so dramatic. You would never even know.

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Speaker 3: When you see this person today speak and share.

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Speaker 1: People are going to be surprised. Yeah it, Yes, we.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca lamb Weiss. Maybe the greatest miracle is a transformed life,

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Speaker 4: I know, and that verse and Ezekiel comes to mind

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Speaker 4: And that's what he does, that miracle and every single

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Speaker 1: There will be people that will be touched greatly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: his purpose in Israel, Larry Huck's story is one of

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Speaker 1: far beyond his mercy. Your new book. I was in

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Speaker 1: A journey of this destiny. And so take us back

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Speaker 7: you're next.

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Speaker 9: You're the next.

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Speaker 6: And so they finally.

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Speaker 7: Talked me about and they were having a revival and

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Speaker 7: this guy by the name of John Metzler, who was

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Speaker 7: an amazing guy, moved in the gifts of the spirit,

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Speaker 7: word of wisdoword of knowledge. And so he calls these

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Speaker 7: ladies out and lays hands on them and they get

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Speaker 7: slain in the spirit.

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Speaker 6: Not you know, I will you know what is what?

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Speaker 7: What I thought, this is these these people are idiots

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Speaker 7: and so but I but even though I couldn't deny,

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Speaker 7: I was feeling it, you know. And so everybody's lifting

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Speaker 7: their hands and praising God. And so I literally did

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Speaker 7: this like this, and I said, I said, I said, God,

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Speaker 7: if I need to know if this is real. And

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden I feel something on my fingers.

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Speaker 7: I look up and it's this guy in a three

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Speaker 7: piece suit. You know, and I got no shirt on. Again,

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Speaker 7: I got no you know, this is who I am.

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Speaker 7: I'm a drug addict. I'm a hippie like it or not.

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Speaker 7: And he said, come here, son. He said, God spoke

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Speaker 7: to me about you. And I said, and Donna, sitting

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Speaker 7: next to me, she's going, Lord, this is not going

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Speaker 7: to be good. And because I was, I was pretty radical.

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Speaker 7: And he said, you were just praying and you said, God.

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Speaker 6: You need to let me know if this is real.

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Speaker 7: And I thought, okay, I said, and he said, he said,

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Speaker 7: I go, I'm never even coming back. And he goes,

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Speaker 7: you want everything God has to offer, don't you. Now,

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Speaker 7: John became my very very good friend and mentor, and

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Speaker 7: I said, he said, you want everything God has, don't you.

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Speaker 7: I said, yeah, have it comes from God, not you,

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Speaker 7: and he goes, he just smiled, and and the pastor

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Speaker 7: was standing behind me.

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know why, you know, I thought

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Speaker 6: he to pick my pocket or something. And he laid

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Speaker 6: hands on me and before the Lord.

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Speaker 7: And this is why I don't believe you have to

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Speaker 7: fake being slain in the spirit. Let God just be

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Speaker 7: got and I felt myself floating. I went five aisles back.

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Speaker 7: Five there were just folding chairs, and I went five

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Speaker 7: aisles back and it was just like I was floating.

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Speaker 7: And then when I Whirros was going, he was straddling me,

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Speaker 7: and I'm speaking in tongues and I've never even heard

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Speaker 7: of tongus before, and I didn't want to. I'm trying

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Speaker 7: to stop, and I would take a.

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Speaker 1: Big dose of power, folks, Yeah, big dose for this van.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he goes, Lord, don't let him up until

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Speaker 7: he knows it's you. And these precious black ladies, and

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Speaker 7: I ended up sitting next to them all the time

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Speaker 7: me with their big hats. No, no, I'm not laying

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Speaker 7: hands on, you know. And they went on with church,

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Speaker 7: and I just laid there and I'm speaking in tongues

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Speaker 7: and finally got up and I crawled back.

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Speaker 1: To my You couldn't move.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't move for twenty minutes, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And they kept going on with this, going on with church.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. And then you had to crawl.

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Speaker 6: You could literally crawl. I couldn't stand up.

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Speaker 7: Crawled back to my seat and Donna said, what was that?

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Speaker 6: What happened? I go, What did he do?

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Speaker 7: And they had a five night revival, and I kept

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Speaker 7: going back to see and every night he called me out.

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Speaker 7: Every night he called me out, and he said, you're

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Speaker 7: gonna preach the gospel.

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Speaker 6: You're going to this.

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Speaker 7: And and and so, and then he lay hands on

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Speaker 7: me and I'd get slain the spirit again.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you're preaching the gospel to the world, and

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a moment and just lead

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Speaker 1: someone that's watching right now. This is your moment to

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Speaker 1: surrender your heart to God.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you come to the Lord. I always

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Speaker 7: say it like this. Jesus didn't tell me go get

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Speaker 7: cleaned up and then come. When you come to the Lord,

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Speaker 7: it's a come as you are party, and he'll do

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Speaker 7: the cleaning. So ask Jesus in your heart right now,

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Speaker 7: wherever you're at, no matter what, say, Jesus, come into

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Speaker 7: my heart. I receive you as my Lord and Savior.

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Speaker 7: And I dedicate my heart and life to you, for

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Speaker 7: I know you've come to give me life and life

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Speaker 7: more abundant in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 6: Jesus, Amen, Amen.

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Speaker 1: It's just that simple and there's so much more in

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Speaker 1: the book, like what Pastor Larry went on to Pastor

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Speaker 1: is pastoring a great church today has a connection to

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Speaker 1: Israel like no other. God's used in him all over

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Speaker 1: the world, and it is an amazing, amazing thing when

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Speaker 1: you come back and tell us give an update on

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Speaker 1: everything Israel.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, do the whole thing on Israel. Absolutely, Yeah, what

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Speaker 6: do y'all think?

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Speaker 1: Is that amazing?

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Speaker 4: I was really just like on the edge of my

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Speaker 4: seat and I kept I was like I just needed

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Speaker 4: to get saved, and.

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Speaker 1: I was over and it was. It was a good salvation, though,

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it so good? It was so funny watching all

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Speaker 1: of them, Like every time you'd say something they didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy would be like I. Then Becca would be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could just hear the gas.

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Speaker 4: It's because I know he saved and preaching all around

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Speaker 4: the world, and yet I needed to know that how

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Speaker 4: you got there?

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Speaker 1: So I got that. How old were you when you

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Speaker 1: got saved?

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Speaker 6: Twenty six? Okay, twenty six? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know it's amazing is you did all that and

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Speaker 5: now you preached and one of the people you preached

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Speaker 5: to you every week because my daughter, she said trying

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Speaker 5: to under you every Sunday.

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Speaker 6: So thank you. What's your daughter's name?

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, yes, now I know why she's so pretty.

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: We could go on and on, but we are out

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Speaker 1: of time. And I don't you remember that no matter

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Speaker 1: where you've been or what you've done, God's grace is

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Speaker 1: always there, always waiting for you. He has a real

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Speaker 1: purpose for your life. And you know it begins again.

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Speaker 1: It begins now. I mean as you prayed that prayer.

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Speaker 1: Many of you prayed that prayer. Many of you prayed

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Speaker 1: the prayer and just rededicated your life to the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one time you used to serve God, but you don't.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that there are some

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Speaker 1: amazing things that God has for you for this time,

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Speaker 1: for this season, that He's commissioned you to do that

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Speaker 1: you're not doing that as a result of praying that

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Speaker 1: prayer is going to begin to open supernatural doors. And

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Speaker 1: just continue that prayer on it. And just like Larry said,

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Speaker 1: and pray, Lord, I want everything that you have for me.

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Speaker 1: Just say that said, Lord, I want everything that you

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Speaker 1: have for me today. I surrender today. If you're watching today,

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Speaker 1: and you did pray that prayer. We have amazing prayer

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Speaker 1: partners that are standing by. That's why the numbers on

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Speaker 1: the screen. Go to the phone right now and call.

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Speaker 1: Let us pray for you. We will send you the

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Speaker 1: Gospel of John. That's a great place to start in

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Speaker 1: the Bible. But this is a new day for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you old things are passed away. And just

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Speaker 1: like Larry said, when you pray that prayer, donate anybody

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Speaker 1: remind you about what your past is because it's a

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Speaker 1: new day. It's a new day. Well, I do want

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Speaker 1: to thank Larry for joining us. To get a copy

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Speaker 1: of his book From Junkie to Jerusalem, and to know

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Speaker 1: more about his ministry, visit Larry Huggmanistries dot com and

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Speaker 1: as always, make sure to follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content.

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Speaker 1: Let us know how table Talk is touching your life

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Speaker 1: because we love hearing from you. Of course, you can

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Speaker 1: also listen to the Jony Table Talk podcast available now

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Speaker 1: on all the major platforms. But thank you Mary for

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Speaker 1: coming for how God is using you in Israel, and

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Speaker 1: just so many updates there and we'll get you back

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Speaker 1: to talk about that and thank you for watching today.

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Speaker 1: I pray this has encouraged you, and just know that

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Speaker 1: you haven't gone too far. That is a lie from

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Speaker 1: the enemy. I don't care what mistakes you've made. Today

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Speaker 1: is a new day. When you invite Jesus in, he

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Speaker 1: will wash you as white as snow. That's what he does.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 8: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: So how does a former abortion has become one of

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Speaker 1: the leading voices in the pro life movement. Well, today

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Speaker 1: guest will share his incredible story and challenge everything that

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Speaker 1: we think we know about abortion as well as what's

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Speaker 1: at stake for the future of the pro life cause.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, joining around the table,

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Speaker 1: it's Cindy Johnston. This is a serious subject, you know

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Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about. And I'll always say

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Speaker 1: right at the beginning that for women who are watching

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Speaker 1: that had abortion, we love you and God loves you,

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Speaker 1: so we're not judging you. So I want to say

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Speaker 1: that right at the top. It's important to say it.

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Speaker 1: But it is also important to share the truth about

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Speaker 1: abortion for someone who may be, you know, thinking about

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Speaker 1: having one, To kind of really lay out what goes

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Speaker 1: on with abortion.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm so appreciative of our guests today, and you

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Speaker 5: bring him in thinking about life. In psalmone thirty nine,

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Speaker 5: David talks about that God sees us being formed in

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Speaker 5: our mother's womb, and that baby that's in the womb is.

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Speaker 1: Fearfully and wonderfully made. That's right and kindred. The word

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Speaker 1: tells us that He knew us.

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Speaker 2: Because before we were born, before we were made, he

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Speaker 2: has a plan for every one of us. We're all

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Speaker 2: special to him. And these are hard shows to do.

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Speaker 2: But by doing the hard stuff, healing can happen, Boldness

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Speaker 2: can take place, love can be extended because you have

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Speaker 2: to talk about the hard stuff, and so I'm really

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Speaker 2: glad and grateful that we get to do that here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Rachel, I think it's important that we are

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Speaker 1: really we try to be cognizant of the fact that

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Speaker 1: we want to present truth and love. Yeah, absolutely, so

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Speaker 1: truth and love.

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Speaker 3: It has to be a balanced approach. But I think

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Speaker 3: so many people are unaware of what an abortion actually entails.

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Speaker 3: So to actually physically see what the process is like

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Speaker 3: is extremely eye opening, and so I think people are

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Speaker 3: going to be really shocked by what the doctor shares today.

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Speaker 1: All right, Cindy Murdacha, and this is near and dear

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Speaker 1: to your heart. It's kind of hard sometimes to talk

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Speaker 1: about this, it really is.

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Speaker 10: And I was thinking as everybody was talking that what

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Speaker 10: if my mom had decided she didn't want me, would

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Speaker 10: have aborted me, I would be sitting here today. I

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Speaker 10: wouldn't have the family I have today. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 10: enjoyed the life that God had for me in this life.

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Speaker 1: So well, doctor Anthony Leventino is here, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us at the table today, Doctor Anthony or

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Speaker 1: doctor Tony's which goes by, but doctor Anthony Leventino is it.

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Speaker 1: Retired obgu I n a former abortion provider turned pro

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Speaker 1: life advocate. He's here today to share how God radically

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Speaker 1: changed his life and how he now works to defend

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Speaker 1: the life of the unborn. So you know, I talked

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Speaker 1: with you earlier and we talked about the fact that

655
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Speaker 1: you performed twelve hundred abortions in over a course of

656
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Speaker 1: four years. And the question I asked you was so

657
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Speaker 1: as you were doing that, like, did you have any

658
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Speaker 1: thought of this being an eternal soul at that point?

659
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Speaker 11: That's a very loaded question for a couple of things.

660
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Speaker 11: When we were talking about that, yes it's soul, but

661
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 11: a lot of women use that as a justification for

662
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Speaker 11: the abortion. Well, my baby's just going to go to heaven,

663
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Speaker 11: and I've heard that one.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, or I can't afford to take care of

665
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Speaker 1: have a better life.

666
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Speaker 11: There are a lot of there are a lot of

667
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 11: reasons why women have abortions, And anybody who's listening to this, please,

668
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Speaker 11: please please do not ever talk about an abortion being

669
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Speaker 11: a convenience. There's nothing convenient about an unwanted pregnancy, and

670
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 11: there is nothing convenient about an abortion at all. Women

671
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 11: are under tremendous stress, whether they're worried about their education,

672
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 11: their finances, their family, their relationships. And you'll also hear

673
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 11: this because there's something that came up during the program.

674
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Speaker 11: You know, the abortionist will tell you there's no such

675
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 11: thing as post abortion stress. All we ever see in

676
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 11: our in our patient's face is relief, and they are

677
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 11: telling the absolute truth. The first thing you see on

678
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 11: the patient's face is relief. But a lot of abortions

679
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 11: are being done. Doctors don't have many times don't even

680
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 11: meet the patient till they walk in to do the procedure.

681
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 11: I was not running an abortion clinic. I was in

682
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Speaker 11: an office that did deliveries, has direct mes and everything,

683
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Speaker 11: So my patients were my patients, and I saw them

684
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 11: for years afterwards. Yes, you see relief at first because

685
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 11: now the pressure's off whatever was was driving her to

686
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Speaker 11: that abortion.

687
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Speaker 9: But it's later that the regret comes.

688
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Speaker 1: That's what I've experienced in interviewing dozens of women who've

689
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: had abortions but didn't actually experience anxiety, depression, or even

690
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: thoughts of suicide till years later. And just because it

691
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: was such an unnatural act, number one, to remove a

692
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Speaker 1: baby in that manner. But as far as feeling guilt,

693
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Speaker 1: you were pro choice and you had a belief that

694
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Speaker 1: this was a woman's choice and you were fine with

695
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: doing it right.

696
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Speaker 11: Absolutely I was, and I was convinced that this was

697
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 11: the right thing to do. And if you call yourself

698
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Speaker 11: pro choice, and you know, a lot of people identify

699
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 11: themselves as pro life or pro choice. But for a

700
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 11: lot of people, it doesn't affect how it doesn't affect

701
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 11: their lives directly, doesn't even affect how they vote. But

702
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Speaker 11: when you're a gynecologist and you say you're a pro choice,

703
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 11: now you have to decide where they're going to actually

704
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 11: do those abortions.

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Speaker 3: And I did what was the oldest baby that you

706
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Speaker 3: ever aborted?

707
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Speaker 9: Twenty four weeks.

708
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Speaker 3: And whenever you saw the baby, it didn't affect you

709
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: at all to see the little hands and little feet.

710
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Speaker 11: And you know a lot of people ask questions similar

711
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 11: to that, how can you do that?

712
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 9: Let me tell you.

713
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Speaker 11: The first time you do an abortion, you know, and

714
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Speaker 11: you take it was a suction DNC abortion, one of

715
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Speaker 11: the early ones, and you have to open the machine.

716
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Speaker 11: People don't realize when you're do an abortion. As a doctor,

717
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 11: you have to keep inventory. You have to make sure

718
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 11: that you get all the pieces because if you don't,

719
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 11: your patient will come back and infected, bleeding or dead.

720
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Speaker 11: And the first time I did a DNA abortion on

721
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 11: a much bigger baby, it really, oh my god. But

722
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 11: let me tell you some DNE diletation, Yeah, diletation and evacuation.

723
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 11: It's just a different term for a later abortion at DNC.

724
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 11: A DNC uses a suction catheter. It can be done

725
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 11: up to twelve weeks, and doctors measure your gestation from

726
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 11: your last period.

727
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 9: Yes we know you weren't.

728
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 11: Pregnant then, but it's how we count, so up to

729
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 11: thirteen weeks from a last menstrual period. At twelve weeks,

730
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 11: the width of your hand is the size of a baby.

731
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Speaker 11: At twelve weeks, not counting the legs, the baby's fully

732
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 11: formed and he's moving. He or she is moving, but

733
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 11: the tissues are soft and can be easily pulled apart

734
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 11: by the suction machine. So you can pretty much do

735
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 11: the whole abortion with this one instrument. But when you

736
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 11: get past thirteen weeks, this doesn't fly anymore because the

737
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 11: babies are getting bigger and bigger.

738
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Speaker 9: They grow fast.

739
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Speaker 11: At twenty weeks, a baby is the length of your

740
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 11: hands from the tip of your middle finger to your wrists,

741
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 11: not counting the legs, and I was doing him the

742
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 11: twenty four to add another couple of inches. You can't

743
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 11: get a baby that big through a catheter this size,

744
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 11: so you have to use something called the sofa clamp

745
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 11: to literally tear the baby apart. It's just no easy

746
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 11: way to put that. It's called a dismemberment abortion for

747
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 11: a reason because that's what you're doing.

748
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: Okay, but continue with what you were saying when you

749
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: did it for the first time and you had to

750
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Speaker 3: put the baby back together.

751
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Speaker 11: You know the first time, it was like even for

752
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 11: somebody who was experienced doing abortions, when I did the

753
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 11: first DNI, when I was being taught to do the

754
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 11: first DNI abortion, it was like, oh my gosh. You know,

755
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 11: but let me tell you something. And it's not just abortion,

756
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 11: it's anything in life. You do something often enough, you

757
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 11: can get used to anything. Yeah.

758
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Speaker 1: So Cindy asked the question what is the D and

759
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: E procedure and that it's basically a dismemberable and the

760
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: process abortion can be shocking, overwhelming. But I want us

761
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Speaker 1: to take a moment to watch together as doctor Lementino

762
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: explains one of these procedures. And let me say before

763
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Speaker 1: we show this, if you have children in the room,

764
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: you want to remove them from the room right now

765
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: because you may not want them to see the ugly

766
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: truth of what an abortion is. But listen to me, folks,

767
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: we need to know exactly what is going on. A

768
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: lot of people is just a glob a tissue, there's

769
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: nothing to it. No, there's a lot more to it.

770
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Speaker 1: And so again this is doctor Leventino explaining one of

771
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Speaker 1: these procedures. Get the kids out of the rooms or

772
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: put you know, pause the TV, whatever you need to do,

773
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: and let's watch this about two minutes long, and you're

774
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: going to see exactly what happens in an abortion.

775
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 11: Today, I'm going to describe a second trimester surgical abortion

776
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 11: called diletation and evacuation or DNA. A DNA is performed

777
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 11: between thirteen and twenty four weeks of pregnancy. After administering anesthesia.

778
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 11: The abortionist uses a weighted speculum like this one that

779
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 11: opens the vagina widely. A baby at twenty weeks to

780
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 11: station is as big as the length of my hand

781
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 11: from head to rump, not counting the legs. The suction

782
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 11: machine is turned on and pale yellow amniotic fluids surrounding

783
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 11: the baby is suctioned out through the catheters. But babies

784
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 11: this big they don't fit through catheters. This side this

785
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 11: is a sofa clamp. The abortionist uses this clamp to

786
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 11: grasp an arm or a leg. Once he has a

787
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 11: firm grip, the abortionist pulls hard in order to tear

788
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 11: the limb from the baby's body.

789
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 12: One by one.

790
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 11: The rest of the limbs are removed, along with the intestines,

791
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 11: the spine, and the heart and lungs. Usually, the most

792
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 11: difficult part of the procedure is extracting the baby's head,

793
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 11: which is about the size of a large plummet. Twenty weeks,

794
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 11: the head is grasped and crushed. The abortionist knows he

795
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 11: has crushed the skull when a white substance comes out

796
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 11: of the cervix.

797
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 12: This was the baby's brains. The abortionists then removes skull pieces.

798
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 12: He removes the placenta and any leftover parts of the

799
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 12: baby with a curette, scraping the lining of the uterus

800
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 12: for any remaining tissue. The abortionist then collects the baby

801
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 12: parts and reassembles them to make sure that there are

802
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 12: two arms, two legs, and all the pieces. Once all

803
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 12: the parts have been accounted for, the abortion is complete.

804
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: That's what happens with an abortion from thirteen weeks up

805
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: to twenty two, and then you use the canyola for

806
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: like up up to twelve weeks. Yes, okay, all right,

807
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: So I know that was hard for you to watch,

808
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: some of you. I've had people write me and say,

809
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: we had no idea that this is what happened. I mean,

810
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: some of us. We had a hard time watching that,

811
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: even though it was it was not actually a real abortion.

812
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: It was a diagram, but still hard to watch us

813
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: all Rachel and Cindy, and Cindy couldn't even look.

814
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: So I literally wanted to see that tool and I

815
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: felt how the little spikes And does.

816
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: This the baby feel pain? Is that where you're gonna dok?

817
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 11: I believe the baby feels pain. You get these arguments

818
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 11: all the time about you know, well, the babies.

819
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 9: Don't feel pain to twenty eight weeks.

820
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Speaker 11: As an obstetrician gynecologist, for instance, we do, and this

821
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 11: has nothing to do with abortion, We do a test

822
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 11: called amniocentesis. The baby's floating in the uterus in a

823
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 11: pool of water and you breathe that water actually, and

824
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 11: you have to do the amniocentesis test. You have to

825
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 11: put a needle in there, draw some of the fluid out.

826
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 11: There are times that needle can hit the baby and

827
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 11: you can feel them pull away. And so don't tell

828
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 11: me they don't feel pain even at you know, fifteen

829
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Speaker 11: and sixteen weeks.

830
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you did twelve hundred abortions over the four years,

831
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Speaker 1: but there are other things that happened within that four years.

832
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Speaker 1: Of course, you got married, you know, as a doctor,

833
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: and then what happened between you and your wife. That

834
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: was just very difficult at first.

835
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Speaker 11: Like a lot of young, you know, young couples, we

836
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 11: were in our late twenties. We thought we were so

837
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 11: old at the time. Christ were in the seven but

838
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 11: we were like many young couples. We wanted to have

839
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 11: a family of our own. And found out very quickly

840
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 11: that she had an infertility problem. And after and any

841
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 11: woman who's been through an infertility workup knows how absolutely

842
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 11: horribly difficult that is. And after there was she had

843
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 11: already had one surgery and several tests, and the doctor

844
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 11: had come to us and he said, there's one more

845
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 11: thing I can do. It should take an hour and

846
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 11: a half. When he walked out of the operating room

847
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 11: four and a half hours later, you know, he told me,

848
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 11: he said, look, I said, I never tell anyone they

849
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 11: can't have children, but don't count on it. So we

850
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 11: were devastated, and we decided that, you know, let's.

851
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 9: Just adopt a child.

852
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 11: But of course, anyone who's tried to adopt a child

853
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 11: knows how difficult that is. We went to religious ad agency,

854
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 11: state agencies, county agencies.

855
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 9: The best we could do.

856
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 11: After months of effort was get on a five year

857
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 11: waiting list, to get on the actual waiting list, and

858
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 11: I had and I came up with the idea that

859
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 11: it was like, well, you know this is not so

860
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 11: we're getting nowhere with this. And I know fifty I mean,

861
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 11: I'm in my training program. I know fifty obstetricians on

862
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 11: a first name basis. Let's advertise maybe we'll get lucky.

863
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 11: And literally, I was working in the operating room in

864
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 11: August of nineteen seventy eight and the circulating nurse tapped

865
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 11: me on the shoulder, and when I turned around, she

866
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 11: was holding up a piece of paper that said, call

867
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Speaker 11: Marcia as soon as you're done. When Marcia was the

868
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Speaker 11: head of social services at our hospital, and she's one

869
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Speaker 11: of the people that I talked to. That's all the

870
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 11: notes said, but I knew what it meant. And sure enough,

871
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 11: she informed me there was a fifteen year old girl

872
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 11: in labor in the delivery room that day who'd had

873
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 11: no prenatal cares. First time you saw a doctor was

874
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 11: the day before, and she wanted to give her baby

875
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 11: up her adoption.

876
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 9: Are you interested?

877
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: Wow?

878
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 9: Of course I was interested.

879
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 11: In I went to call my wife on the phone,

880
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 11: and I was just seven digits away from becoming a father,

881
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 11: and literally, by the grace of God, we were able

882
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 11: to adopt a little girl that.

883
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 9: We named Heather.

884
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 11: Fantastic, we have a baby now, And after all the

885
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 11: years and after all the tears, and after all the doubts,

886
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 11: my wife gets pregnant the very next month, No y awesome,

887
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 11: and our son, Sean was born in July nineteen seventy nine.

888
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know, so ten months apart.

889
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 9: Ten months apart.

890
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, Sewn and Heather were figuratively and literally close. I

891
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 11: mean people that didn't know Heather was adopted would look

892
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 11: at them and go ten months apart. Man, you give

893
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 11: your wife much of a break. But you know I

894
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 11: had the proverbial millionaire's family. Now we had a son

895
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 11: and a daughter.

896
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: But you did think about many times when you were

897
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: performing abortions. Here I'm doing this and we desperately want

898
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: a baby. Why can't we have one of these?

899
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 11: That was the first time I had any doubts about it.

900
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 11: As I said, I was dedicated pro choice physician. But

901
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 11: when here we are trying to adopt a baby and

902
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 11: I'm doing abortions. I mean, I remember one abortion in particular,

903
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 11: it was a section DNC was in the hospital, and

904
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 11: I mean, like I said, you have to literally go

905
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 11: through the parts.

906
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 9: When you're done.

907
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 11: And I looked and I thought, I'm throwing these kids

908
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 11: in the garbage. Wouldn't even one of these women allow

909
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 11: us to take her baby home and care for it?

910
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 11: So yeah, I had doubts, But of course, once we

911
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 11: had kids, the doubts went away and I just went

912
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 11: back to business as usual.

913
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Well, and then the unthinkable happened when Heather was five

914
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: almost six and your son was four almost five. I

915
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: think we have a picture of a brother and sister

916
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: that we could show you. Tell us about that fateful day.

917
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 9: June twenty third, nineteen eighty four.

918
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 11: It was a Saturday. It was a beautiful day in Albany.

919
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 11: I was on call, but it wasn't too busy. I

920
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 11: made rounds and we took the kids from amusement park

921
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 11: that afternoon and had dinner together, and the kids were

922
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 11: playing in the backyard when we had friends come for

923
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 11: cake and coffee, and we were talking with our friends.

924
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 9: In seven to twenty.

925
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 11: Five that night, we heard the screech of breaks out

926
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 11: in front of the house. The kids had wandered in

927
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 11: the road and Heather had been hit by a car.

928
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 11: She was a mess. I mean, I'm a doctor. I'm

929
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 11: supposed to be able to save people's lives. I mean,

930
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 11: my wife was an intensive care nurse, and it made

931
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 11: absolutely no difference, and she died in her arms in

932
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 11: the back of an ambulance that night. You know, no,

933
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 11: anybody who has kids may think they have some idea

934
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 11: of what that's like, but unless you have, you know,

935
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 11: unless somebody's been through that themselves, you have no idea,

936
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 11: and I hope you never.

937
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 9: Find out now.

938
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, you and your wife had separate views on abortion.

939
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: Your wife was pro life she was, and you were

940
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: pro choice. And so after this you both kind of

941
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: went through your own almost separately grieving. I said to

942
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: you later, it's almost a miracle that you stayed together,

943
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: because somebody marriages break up as a result of the

944
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: loss of a child. But you you did stay together.

945
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: But at some point God began knocking on your door,

946
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: and he used the most unusual people to do it.

947
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that story.

948
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 11: In nineteen eighty three, I arrived at my office and

949
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 11: we were being picketed by one of the local Christian groups.

950
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 11: And now understand, it's not like my wife and I

951
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 11: never darkened the end side of a church. We were

952
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 11: raised in a very different kind of tradition. But people, so,

953
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 11: people were very demonstrative about their faith. They're talking about Jesus,

954
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 11: you know, just always made me uncomfortable.

955
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're nuts.

956
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 11: I mean everybody, everybody, everybody, I always say, I mean

957
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 11: everybody in the pro you know, everybody in the abortion

958
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 11: industry knows that everyone who's pro life as a kook.

959
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 9: I know this.

960
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 11: Because I know this because CNN tells me they would

961
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 11: never lie to me, you know.

962
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 9: So.

963
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 11: And it was it was during that time that I

964
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 11: got a new patient. Her name was Susan. She was

965
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 11: in her mid thirties. She didn't even come up to

966
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 11: my shoulder. She came in for a routine gy and

967
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 11: examine a PAP smear as a new patient. When it

968
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 11: was over, she said, can I talk to you? And

969
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 11: when I sat her down and asked her what I

970
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 11: could do for her, she looked at me and this

971
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 11: has said, I've been sent here to give you a

972
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 11: message that Jesus loves you, he cares about you. This

973
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 11: is not what he had intended for your life to

974
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 11: be an abortionist.

975
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 9: Please stop.

976
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 11: Well, doctors listen to their patients, and no patient had

977
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 11: ever spoke to me this way. And I had one

978
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 11: overwhelming thought when she said that, and that was I've

979
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 11: got to hustle this coop out of my office as fast.

980
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 9: As I could.

981
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: And I are you thoroughly annoyed.

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 9: Not annoyed, just uncomfortable.

983
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you got her out of the office.

984
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: And then what happened a year later?

985
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 11: A year later she showed up for her guy an

986
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 11: exam again, and she did it again. You know, I've

987
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 11: been sent here to give you a message that Jesus

988
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 11: loves you, he cares about you. This is not what

989
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 11: he had intended for your life, to be an abortionist.

990
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 11: Please stop now, I remembered what she had said. But

991
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 11: in the intervening year I had received at least three

992
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 11: personal greeting cards mailed to my office, mark confidential, with

993
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 11: the message written on the card. One time during the

994
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 11: intervening year, I arrived at my office and there was

995
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 11: a plate of brownie sitting on my desk with a

996
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 11: message tied to the brownies. Now, she's not stupid. She

997
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 11: knew how I felt. How long would you evangelize someone

998
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 11: who thought you were nuts? And she kept it up

999
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 11: for seven years?

1000
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Seven years? Fow seven years? Na, Okay, So what you

1001
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: have to understand is that some plant, the seed Susan

1002
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: was planning seeds in your heart, and you know your

1003
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: heart was hearing, and you were hearing even though you're

1004
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: still resisting. But when was that first moment where you thought,

1005
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can keep doing this because

1006
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: you didn't have a God encounter at that point yet.

1007
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 11: No, after Heather died, you know, I what do you do?

1008
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 11: You bury your child and you try to get back

1009
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 11: into your life. So I went, you know, I showed

1010
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 11: up at over number nine at the hospital, just like

1011
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 11: I had over one hundred times before for one of

1012
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 11: these second TRIMESTERDINI abortions. And I started that abortion and

1013
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 11: I reached in with a sofa clamp and I ripped

1014
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 11: out an arm or a leg and I just stared

1015
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 11: at it in the clamp and I got sick. But

1016
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 11: when you start an abortion, you can't stop. It was

1017
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 11: like we said in the video, it's gruesome. But you

1018
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 11: have to keep inventory. Part of your job is you

1019
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 11: must make sure that you got two arms, two legs,

1020
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 11: and all the pieces. And I said, because if you don't,

1021
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 11: your patient will come back infected, bleeding, or dead.

1022
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 9: Finished the abortion. But in that moment.

1023
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 11: As I said, I really looked at that pile of

1024
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 11: body parts.

1025
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 9: I'd done this.

1026
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 11: I'd done over twelve hundred abortions. That's in private practice.

1027
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 11: That doesn't even encount the ones I did in training,

1028
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 11: and over one hundred and twenty of them were these

1029
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 11: D and E abortions. But I really truly looked at

1030
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 11: that pile of body parts, and I didn't see her

1031
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 11: wonderful right to choose, and I didn't see what a

1032
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 11: great doctor I was helping her with a problem.

1033
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 9: And I didn't even.

1034
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 11: See the eight hundred dollars cash I just made in

1035
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 11: fifteen minutes. All I could see was somebody's son or daughter.

1036
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 11: And it occurred to me in that moment that this

1037
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 11: woman had come to me figuratively, never literally, and said,

1038
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 11: here's eight hundred dollars kill my son or daughter. And

1039
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 11: I was the kind of person that would say, yeah, sure,

1040
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 11: I'll do that.

1041
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: But this was a progressive process that happened with you.

1042
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an epiphany like I can't do this anymore.

1043
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: It was you slowly just It's almost like the Lord

1044
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: was so patient with you as he walked you out

1045
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: of that. When was the moment that you actually decided

1046
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: I can't do abortions anymore? And were there any more

1047
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: people that God send along the way to.

1048
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 11: Well, briefly, I mean, my wife and I made a

1049
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 11: decision early in our relationship that the abortion was a

1050
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 11: forbidden topic. The problem with that is when you stop

1051
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 11: talking about one important topic, it's too easy to not

1052
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 11: talk about other important topics. And we've been drifting apart,

1053
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 11: and after Heather died, it all just broke wide open.

1054
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 11: I didn't stop doing abortions. I knew why I felt bad.

1055
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 11: I was dedicated, I will get over this, and I

1056
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 11: kept on doing them. But I was angry and I

1057
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 11: was hurting, and we were kind of grieving, and we

1058
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 11: were grieving separately. And she always knew when I had

1059
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 11: abortion schedule the next day, because I.

1060
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 9: Was just this blame game.

1061
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 11: It was the girl's fault, it was a nurse's fault,

1062
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 11: and everybody's fault but mine, of course. And after as

1063
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 11: I tell people, we may you know, we didn't talk

1064
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 11: about some subjects. But I'm I mean, I'm full blooded Sicilian,

1065
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 11: she's full blooded Irish. Trust me, we could have discussion.

1066
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 11: But after a few months of that, she'd had it

1067
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 11: up to there and I unbeknownst to me, she'd had

1068
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 11: a backpack and she was five minutes away from walking

1069
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 11: out with our son. But she was going to have

1070
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 11: her say, and you know, she let.

1071
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 9: Me have it.

1072
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 11: You know, it's not the girl's fault, and it's not

1073
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 11: the hospital's fault, and it's not the nurse's fault. It's

1074
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 11: your fault. If you feel so bad about this, why

1075
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 11: don't you quit. We had a long discussion about abortion

1076
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 11: and other things too, And the next day I went

1077
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 11: to my partners and said, I would no longer do

1078
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 11: this D and E abortions.

1079
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 9: I would only do the little ones.

1080
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 11: I told her I was dedicated, and I did those

1081
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 11: for a few more months, but by February of nineteen

1082
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 11: eighty five, I'd had it. I mean, once you figure

1083
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 11: out that killing a baby this big for money is wrong,

1084
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 11: it doesn't take you too long to figure out. It

1085
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 11: doesn't matter how big they are, it's all the same thing.

1086
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 11: And in February of nineteen eighty four in nineteen eighty five.

1087
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Speaker 11: I'd had it, so I quit and never did another one.

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Speaker 1: And when did you have your kind of come to

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Speaker 1: Jesus moment?

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Speaker 11: As I said, we were raised in a different religious tradition,

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Speaker 11: but I said, you know, we got to find ourselves

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Speaker 11: a Bible church, and we did and that's where we

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Speaker 11: accepted Christ.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I all love that story. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to do this real quick. We don't have

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Speaker 1: much time, but I want to take a look together

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Speaker 1: at this all inspiring moment when the miracle of life begins,

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Speaker 1: captured by a brilliant flash of light. And this is

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Speaker 1: all under the microscope. It's science, but we always knew

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Speaker 1: that that an eternal soul is created at conception.

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Speaker 6: Watch this.

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Speaker 13: And I was under a special microscope and showing the

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Speaker 13: moment of conception, the very moment that the sperm enters

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Speaker 13: the egg. There is a flash of light and the

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Speaker 13: light has.

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Speaker 14: Entered the world. And God said, let there be light,

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Speaker 14: And there was light in him was life, and the

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Speaker 14: life was the light of men, the true light which

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Speaker 14: lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

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Speaker 1: Andrew, how amazing is that? I love it so much?

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Speaker 1: He's so good. I mean, you almost get chilled, don't

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Speaker 1: you when you see that light. It still touches your heart,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 11: I've always said the miracle of life is enough of

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Speaker 11: a miracle without making trying to make it more of

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Speaker 11: a miracle than it is. I think I understand what

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Speaker 11: that film is showing from a medical standpoint, and like

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Speaker 11: I said, life is a miracle all by itself.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to say for those of you

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Speaker 1: that have experienced abortion, we love you, and God loves you,

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Speaker 1: and you know you can be forgiven. I mean all

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Speaker 1: you have to say is and y'all just repeat after me,

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Speaker 1: just say Jesus, Jesus, I come to you today. Please

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Speaker 1: forgive me, Please forgive me. Come into my heart, the

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Speaker 1: Lord of my life, fill me with your spirit. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to serve you there today, today and throughout the

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Speaker 1: rest of my life in Jesus name, Jesus. Men. It's

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Speaker 1: really that simple. I always tell the story about my

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Speaker 1: grandfather that at nineteen he just said, God, if you're there,

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Speaker 1: like he didn't even know how to pray, and God

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Speaker 1: met him change his life. And that's what he'll do

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Speaker 1: for you if you open up your heart and receive

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Speaker 1: what he has for you. Some people are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I hadn't had an abortion, but I need to pray

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Speaker 1: that prayer.

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Speaker 6: Good.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you did. It's the most important prayer that

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Speaker 1: you can pray. First, Sean went and On says, if

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Speaker 1: we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to

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Speaker 1: forgive us of all our sins and cleanses from all unrighteousness.

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Speaker 1: And that's what he does. That's what he did at

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Speaker 1: Calgary when he died on the cross for our sins.

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Speaker 1: He shed his blood and payment for our sins that

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Speaker 1: we can have eternal life. Because when you saw that light,

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Speaker 1: an eternal soul was created. We may be in time now,

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Speaker 1: but we are the only created beings, eternal beings that

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Speaker 1: are in time, and there will be a time. The

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Speaker 1: Bible says that this this is just a stepping stone

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Speaker 1: to the life to come, and when you pray that prayer,

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Speaker 1: it prepares you for eternity, and that's why it's the

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Speaker 1: most important prayer that you can pray. Well, doctor Lebentino,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here today. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back. That's all so interesting, right, so unbelievable. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say that those of you that

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Speaker 1: have had an abortion, there's some great material that we

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Speaker 1: have here, Finding Grace after Abortion. It's a work book

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Speaker 1: and a DVD, and we'll put that information on the

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Speaker 1: screen if you'd like to order that and we would

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Speaker 1: just it'd be our pleasure to mail it to you. Well,

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Speaker 1: what's all the time we have? I want you to

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Speaker 1: remember that no matter what you've done, it's never too late,

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Speaker 1: never too late for God to change your life. Tewo

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Speaker 1: Corinthians five seventeen says. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,

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Speaker 1: he's a new creation. The old has gone, the newest come,

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Speaker 1: And no matter your past, God can make all things

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Speaker 1: new today. And for those of you that had an abortion,

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Speaker 1: he loves you and he forgives you okay, just to ask,

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Speaker 1: and I believe you'll see that baby again one day.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching today you need prayer, or you've had

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Speaker 1: an abortion, you want somebody to talk to. That's why

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Speaker 1: that prayer line number is on the screen. We have

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Speaker 1: amazing prayer partners that are standing by. But I do

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Speaker 1: want to thank doctor Anthony Leventino again for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Is always make sure to follow us on all social media,

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Speaker 1: subscribe to our YouTube channel in full episodes that you

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Speaker 1: can receive there, and let us know how table Talk

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Speaker 1: is touching your life because we love hearing from you.

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Speaker 1: You can also listen to the Jony table Talk podcast,

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Speaker 1: available now on all the major platforms. But I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you so much for watching. Thank you, ladies. Incredible,

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Speaker 1: incredible program today and very educational at the same time heartfelt.

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Speaker 1: We love you and I'm excited about what all God

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Speaker 1: has for you moving forward, especially those of you that

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Speaker 1: have had an abortion. To understand that God has continued

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Speaker 1: purpose for you and He loves you so so very much,

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Speaker 1: and we need too. We'll see you next time. Bye

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Speaker 1: bye for today.