Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis, code
Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are You are here,
Speaker 4: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
Speaker 4: to know. We could not be more pleased to join
Speaker 4: with you today, fellow conspiracy realists, we get to hear
Speaker 4: from you and your cohort of listeners. We're going to
Speaker 4: talk a little bit about some of the correspondents we
Speaker 4: received regarding incandescent and led bulbs. We're going to hit
Speaker 4: on several things from episodes that we did on real
Speaker 4: estate or the funeral industry. But maybe maybe we also
Speaker 4: we got a shout out some wonderful letters we got
Speaker 4: about magnets wet. We got a lot of stuff to
Speaker 4: get to, but how do.
Speaker 2: They work right? The first thing we're gonna do is
Speaker 2: shout out Lucas aka Papa Caps. He wrote to us
Speaker 2: and said this Hey, guys, I heard on a recent
Speaker 2: podcast that you all don't use a po box, so
Speaker 2: I'll just let you know what the surprise fan mail
Speaker 2: is was.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: So when I talked to you last I was working
Speaker 2: on starting my own business, and from past episodes, I
Speaker 2: know it's right up your alley. I started a hot
Speaker 2: sauce company, and everybody, Papa Caps is giving us all
Speaker 2: a four pack of his delicious hot sauces that he makes. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: one of them, my favorite one is called Sweet Reaper.
Speaker 2: And guess what's in that one? Boys, Sweet Sweet Reaper,
Speaker 2: that Carolina Reaper.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to try this hot sauce. It also
Speaker 2: has bell peppers and onions and sugar in it.
Speaker 3: Yump.
Speaker 2: You can go to Papa Capsfoods dot com. That's p
Speaker 2: A P A C A P S f O O
Speaker 2: D s dot com branding. That's well done, sir, right,
Speaker 2: and you can order your own. That's very exciting. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for shouting us out and for sending
Speaker 2: us some saucy sowls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can also check him out if he happened
Speaker 4: to be in the area at the Nashville, Tennessee Hot
Speaker 4: Sauce expo.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 4: It should be coming up, but we'll get the date
Speaker 4: for you there. It'll probably be later this year, maybe
Speaker 4: in November.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: I just noticed the clever Dublon Pondre in his name
Speaker 5: Papa caps as in like caps say some.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 5: I'll say, you know, caps like blah blah. Oh you know,
Speaker 5: I'm a Papa cap in that cap say some.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I just thought about the spicy spice. Awesome,
Speaker 2: awesome stuff.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 2: Let's go to our next message. It comes from Well,
Speaker 2: we're not going to say the name until the end here.
Speaker 3: This is just a fun message. Here we go.
Speaker 2: So I'm not like a scientist or anything, but I
Speaker 2: do drink a lot of fago, and I'm certainly not
Speaker 2: an expert in magnetism unless we're talking personality. But as
Speaker 2: I understand it, magnetism is caused by unpaired electrons orbiting
Speaker 2: their atomic nuclei on the same plane and in the
Speaker 2: same direction. That is very much a layman's understanding and explanation,
Speaker 2: but I feel like it should be much more common
Speaker 2: knowledge because it's not especially complicated, and it's really kind
Speaker 2: of cool and interesting. That's really as much as I
Speaker 2: know about magnetism. But if there's anyone who could expound
Speaker 2: on the subject in an esoteric manner, it's you, wise.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, so get after it.
Speaker 2: Clearly this falls under stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 2: since when you ask scientists they be lion and shes.
Speaker 2: That's from a borious master of plants said like a
Speaker 2: true Juggalo. Amazing, Thank you, Rborius, master of plants. Okay,
Speaker 2: and guys, here is the last thing I have to
Speaker 2: share for today. This is a message from Dewey J.
Speaker 2: It is a voice message and it is about small
Speaker 2: town corruption.
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, Jay from Illinois, where our governors make our
Speaker 6: license plates. Well for the last ten got their chance
Speaker 6: when they went to jail. You can use this on air.
Speaker 6: You had a recent episode about Illinois corruption. You're missing
Speaker 6: one that's going on right now. Tiffany Hinyard, mayor in
Speaker 6: township supervisor of Dalton, Illinois. She's calling herself the super mayor,
Speaker 6: but really she's the super corrupt mayor, trying to build
Speaker 6: a cult of personality. She's been spending money not approved
Speaker 6: by the village oversight board and even not telling them
Speaker 6: about the things she's spending money on Now the village
Speaker 6: board members are doing their job accountability asking for records.
Speaker 6: Tiffany's response was to physically lock them out of the
Speaker 6: building and to lock them out of the financial system software.
Speaker 6: So some examples of the things she's doing. She's run
Speaker 6: up one hundred and ten thousand dollars credit card spending
Speaker 6: not accounting for. She wants them to pay the bill,
Speaker 6: but doesn't want to give them any receipts. She's spent
Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy thousand dollars to travel just for
Speaker 6: seven months. Spent thirty four thousand dollars in Las Vegas
Speaker 6: on one trip alone. She's been hiring friends I'm up,
Speaker 6: not qualify the qualified for the job and paying them
Speaker 6: more than the going rate, over paying for goods and services.
Speaker 6: For example, she bought a twenty twenty three truck cash
Speaker 6: price for that is ninety three thousand dollars. Well, she
Speaker 6: got that with fifty six thousand dollars interest on top.
Speaker 6: She's using city vehicles for staff and staff for non
Speaker 6: city business. For example, her march to Springfield for her
Speaker 6: personal charity, and the city has a deficit of about
Speaker 6: seven million dollars. All this for a city of only
Speaker 6: twenty one thousand people, and in my opinion, worst of all,
Speaker 6: she's breaking Robert's rules of orders in public meeting, got
Speaker 6: the audacity of it well. In town meetings and social media,
Speaker 6: she's been yelling at the board and telling them that
Speaker 6: they need to pay the bills. And the FBI has
Speaker 6: finally hurt her and they've started a probe into the
Speaker 6: super corrupt mayor. So maybe we need to bring the
Speaker 6: real heat and start as stuff they don't want you
Speaker 6: to know, investigation. Well, I love the show. Guys, have
Speaker 6: one last question, he always says, they call me Ben.
Speaker 6: Is he hiding something? What is his real name?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: And no hold on?
Speaker 3: That was too far, DEWEYJ. That was too far. Okay.
Speaker 4: I think this is a great idea for an episode,
Speaker 4: Thank you, DEWEYJ.
Speaker 3: Because about.
Speaker 4: The mayor in Illinois. Because I'm going to keep in
Speaker 4: track on this a little bit too, because some clips
Speaker 4: of her went viral pretty recently. And it's strange how
Speaker 4: much stuff we've heard from our fellow listeners about Illinois
Speaker 4: and specific when we asked for just you know, general
Speaker 4: small town corruption. And I swear, dear friends, about every
Speaker 4: fourth email was about something screwy in Illinois exactly.
Speaker 2: Speaking of just those clips of this particular mayor, Mayor
Speaker 2: Tiffany Henyard, Let's let's go to a quick clip. This
Speaker 2: is going to be from WGN News It. This clip
Speaker 2: was posted on February sixth, twenty twenty four, on their
Speaker 2: YouTube channel and it is titled Dalton Mayor to critics quote,
Speaker 2: I'm the leader. Just so you get an understanding of
Speaker 2: what deweyj Was saying about. This mayor has been yelling
Speaker 2: at the board members when they're having meetings and what
Speaker 2: is it breaking Robert's rules of order? This is just
Speaker 2: a quick example here we go.
Speaker 7: Y'all forget I am the later they want to hear
Speaker 7: from the mayor. If you haven't hurt that yet, the mayor,
Speaker 7: not the trustee. That don't do nothing, that only run
Speaker 7: a map. Y'all don't do no work.
Speaker 3: No work.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's just a quick one. Doesn't didn't really
Speaker 2: have any substance there, Sorry for that, guys, but it
Speaker 2: was definitely a clip of the mayor yelling. That clip
Speaker 2: goes on to discuss the FBI investigation into this mayor
Speaker 2: and all of the things. Basically that dewej outlined for us.
Speaker 2: She just seems particularly upset.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you do. I mean every mayor or indep
Speaker 4: governor political official is going to have their own style
Speaker 4: of approach, right, And so she very clearly is she
Speaker 4: very clearly is exhibiting passion for this, for what she
Speaker 4: sees as political attacks.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So that is that, in itself, I would say, is
Speaker 4: not It is definitely not illegal. It's not super normal.
Speaker 4: I was interested to learn, Matt and Dewey you probably
Speaker 4: know this too. In the last election, this mayor received
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the vote, eighty two, eighty two more
Speaker 4: than eighty percent.
Speaker 2: February twenty twenty one, youngest female mayor in the village's
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty year history.
Speaker 4: And I do think federal indictment, at least from the
Speaker 4: sources we read, I do think of federal indictment is
Speaker 4: very much in the cards. And it's not Look, sometimes
Speaker 4: people can put loyalty to a political party over things
Speaker 4: like rule of law or over good jurisprudence. It does
Speaker 4: sound like there's some smoke here. For sure, it's going
Speaker 4: to have to go to a court or go to
Speaker 4: a full investigation to see if there's a fire. But
Speaker 4: it could be a great episode for us to dive into,
Speaker 4: because again, the facts are pretty disturbing, just even on
Speaker 4: a surface level. Read right, Yeah, but the allegations, I
Speaker 4: should say the allegations at this point.
Speaker 5: I mean, it kind of reminds me of some of
Speaker 5: the allegations being made against Justice Clarence Thomas. It's not
Speaker 5: quite the same in terms of actually using you know,
Speaker 5: funds designated for other things, but the level of kind
Speaker 5: of taking advantage of an elected position in order to
Speaker 5: get all kinds of extra swag and stuff does seem
Speaker 5: to be in line with it a little bit.
Speaker 3: At anytime, you know, I personally hear.
Speaker 5: About elected officials abusing their power in this way.
Speaker 3: It just kind of it's out on. As you would say, Ben,
Speaker 3: it's a little tut.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's some intense allegations that are it's running up on.
Speaker 2: I don't know if racketeering is the right word. Holding
Speaker 2: people's businesses hostage because they're refusing to donate to the
Speaker 2: mayoral campaign allegedly. This is all allegedly, right. This has
Speaker 2: come from ABC seven Chicago. I'm just gonna read this
Speaker 2: quick thing. This is from an article titled Dalton Mayor
Speaker 2: Tiffany Henyard accused of corruption. Trustees approved call for federal investigation.
Speaker 2: It was posted February twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. This
Speaker 2: is a quick excerpt quote. Running a business in Dalton
Speaker 2: has also been getting harder. Multiple businesses have been shut
Speaker 2: down recently over unresolved licensing issues, including Lawrence Gardner's trucking company.
Speaker 2: It's been sitting idle since January twenty twenty three, when
Speaker 2: the village accused him of selling liquor without a license
Speaker 2: during a party that was being hosted there. He denies
Speaker 2: the allegation, with judge ruling in his favor, and has
Speaker 2: other ideas about why the action may have been taken.
Speaker 2: He says, quote because I wouldn't donate the money anymore.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't give her any more money. That's according to Gardner.
Speaker 2: And this is one last thing here. Gardner said he's
Speaker 2: among several business owners who, shortly after Henyard took office,
Speaker 2: complied with her request for a three five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: donation to the village. But again, the thought here is
Speaker 2: that he's no longer donating after twenty twenty one. In
Speaker 2: the initial donation, and that's why he's being held.
Speaker 4: Up, and he's getting jammed up through like regulatory retaliation,
Speaker 4: which is kind of easy to do, to be honest
Speaker 4: with you, because some of those permits and things that
Speaker 4: you would need as a business, they can be kind
Speaker 4: of black box in terms of the approval, and a
Speaker 4: lot of times news doesn't pay attention to him. One
Speaker 4: thing I saw Matt that I think is also pretty weird.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know he could do this.
Speaker 4: Fox thirty two out of Chicago by Dame Placo points
Speaker 4: out that people are saying this official put in a
Speaker 4: poison pill to scare off political rivals. What happened is
Speaker 4: at the very last minute, before they had a vote
Speaker 4: and a big meeting, a town meeting, Henyard introduced an
Speaker 4: ordinance that says she's going to continue to receive her
Speaker 4: yearly salary as township supervisor. That's two hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: four thousand dollars a year, which is a lot. But
Speaker 4: here's the thing. If a if someone else becomes supervisor,
Speaker 4: in other words, if someone else challenges Henyard in an
Speaker 4: election and wins, the salary for the position drops down
Speaker 4: to twenty five grand a year. That's a pay cut
Speaker 4: of almost ninety percent. And so the thing that her
Speaker 4: enemies are saying is they're like, this is an on
Speaker 4: purpose again poison pill thing to disincentivize people from running
Speaker 4: against her.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 4: I would have to learn more, learn more as we can.
Speaker 3: Let's learn it.
Speaker 2: Let's learn this. But that sounds wrong, like mape it again.
Speaker 2: The attorneys the Attorney General is like, we need to
Speaker 2: look at this. It's just and the FBI says we
Speaker 2: need to look at this thing. By the way, Uh,
Speaker 2: Mayor Tiffany Henyard has a podcast, guys. It's called On
Speaker 2: the On the Move O n t H Move podcast.
Speaker 2: It's going to debut on Spotify or wait maybe it
Speaker 2: just did know it's about to debut on Spotify the
Speaker 2: week that this is coming out. So uh, definitely check
Speaker 2: it out. Let us know what you think, give us
Speaker 2: some notes after you've listened.
Speaker 4: And we're not doing this. We're not doing this because
Speaker 4: it's a show on Spotify, folks.
Speaker 2: To be very clear, No, we love Spotify.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're also on Spotify, so there's no no conspiracy
Speaker 4: to that aspect, but certainly not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did check, guys, our internal systems to make sure
Speaker 2: it wasn't being produced by iHeart Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 4: That would be funny though, if an ad for where
Speaker 4: it ran right after this, I would love that.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a second, now, hold on, she's telling the
Speaker 2: trustees of Dolton she doesn't have the receipts. But here's
Speaker 2: a quote in a video that she put out to
Speaker 2: promote her new podcast quote, I've got the tea with
Speaker 2: the receipts. Matter of fact, if you want the tea,
Speaker 2: get it from me. Hold on, But she doesn't have
Speaker 2: the receipts, but she also has the receipts. This is
Speaker 2: a we're in a situation, boys. We need to find
Speaker 2: out more. Yeah, all right, that's it. That's all I've got.
Speaker 2: Let us know about your small town corruption. Doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be Illinois. It can. We continue to find out more,
Speaker 2: as Ben said, but it could be any state. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4: And we have returned the two pretty interesting ones here,
Speaker 4: and it's increasingly a fascinating exercise to try to pick
Speaker 4: just the few to share. But here's one from Donna Tello,
Speaker 4: which I thought was an incredibly important point, just gonna.
Speaker 4: It's pretty short, so we'll share this one in full.
Speaker 4: Greetings gents. In the recent listener mail, you guys got
Speaker 4: on a role regarding LED versus incandescent light bulbs. Naturally,
Speaker 4: you wondered why in the sam hell Nice Dona Tolo
Speaker 4: would anyone have a use for something as outdated as
Speaker 4: an incandescent bulb. Here is your answer. I am disabled
Speaker 4: with over thirteen visual impairments. Two of them are photophobia
Speaker 4: and photo aladynia. The two of them combined make light
Speaker 4: appear much brighter than it truly is, and this causes
Speaker 4: physical pain in my eyes. Not all light is created equal, however,
Speaker 4: natural light hurts the least, and light from LED bulbs
Speaker 4: appears immensely bright and causes extreme pain. Light from incandescent bulbs, however,
Speaker 4: still pain, but not near to the extent as LED.
Speaker 4: This is a real problem for me and everyone else
Speaker 4: in my predicament, as incandescent bulbs are becoming very hard
Speaker 4: to come by and the price is increasing exponentially as
Speaker 4: the supply dwindles, All public places and other people's homes
Speaker 4: are rapidly switching to LED bulbs, making those places inaccessible
Speaker 4: to people like me. Someday when I run out of
Speaker 4: incandescent bulbs, I might be forced to light my house
Speaker 4: with candles. Wish me luck. And I don't think Dona
Speaker 4: Tell is joking here, but I thought that was really
Speaker 4: that was a really good point about accessibility that I
Speaker 4: don't know about you guys, but it had not occurred
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: Nor to me Donna Tello. I would love to know
Speaker 2: more because it does feel like there are LED bulbs
Speaker 2: that will put off far fewer what is the correct
Speaker 2: term light candles? Look at you Wendy's Burger Broker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to. Yeah, let's go to you, Doc,
Speaker 4: if that's okay, because you've got the expertise here for
Speaker 4: someone with high photosensitivity. Are there like, are there natural
Speaker 4: at light esque kind of LED bulbs or not incandescent
Speaker 4: things that people could look at.
Speaker 2: With a dimmer?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you you could get specialized dimmers. And
Speaker 2: I know that might be cost preventative, but I do
Speaker 2: know that's possible. Like if you look at the forty
Speaker 2: WAT equivalents of LEDs, I wonder, I wonder what the
Speaker 2: real difference is there for someone who's going through what
Speaker 2: Donna Tell is going through. Doc, Doc doesn't know Doc
Speaker 2: doesn't know you, guys, O G.
Speaker 8: My area of knowledge is more so about like film
Speaker 8: lighting itself. I could say, oh, this is the best
Speaker 8: kind of like we should use led, or we should
Speaker 8: use tungue stand or we should use an HMI or
Speaker 8: whatever when we're on set, But when it comes to
Speaker 8: like what household style bubs balls that people would have
Speaker 8: access to, that's a little bit out of mind.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And the word that you were looking for mat
Speaker 8: a little bit ago is foot candles.
Speaker 2: We just wanted to hear you talk lighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 4: And I just want to give it get a chance
Speaker 4: to shout out Wendy's burger Broker, which is by far
Speaker 4: one of the best nicknames you've come up with, and
Speaker 4: you're pretty great at them.
Speaker 2: We should explain, though, So okay, when we're when we're
Speaker 2: recording this remotely the way we are right now, we
Speaker 2: can give each other or we just give ourselves a name.
Speaker 2: Right often we will call ourselves by our names or
Speaker 2: what we go by U or what they call us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Often Doc has an amazing name, and all of us
Speaker 2: do it every once in a while, but Doc always
Speaker 2: has an amazing though The thing.
Speaker 4: Is, it's a dangerous game because we will also use
Speaker 4: the same the same platform for other things. So sometimes
Speaker 4: you'll pop into like a very grown up meeting and
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, Quortomats the author of toe destruction, right, Like, what.
Speaker 8: Do you sing that? This is not a grown up meeting?
Speaker 4: No, it's more it's more fun than a lot of
Speaker 4: the things where they throw around phrases like cadence and
Speaker 4: Q four and stuff.
Speaker 3: But not insinuating outright declaring.
Speaker 4: As a positive thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're on the case there. Thank you for
Speaker 4: writing in, and thank you to everybody who took the
Speaker 4: time to send us an email regarding lights. We had
Speaker 4: a lot of people who work in related industries who
Speaker 4: broke down what seems to be a problem in infrastructure
Speaker 4: quite honestly, and that's something we talked about when we
Speaker 4: first mentioned this strange news of leek Matt brought it.
Speaker 4: I wanted to move to another one and this is
Speaker 4: kind of a this is what I've been waiting on
Speaker 4: to fit in. This is this is kind of a noel.
Speaker 4: I think you in particular will enjoy this nice thematic
Speaker 4: link to some other stuff we're going to explore but
Speaker 4: we got a great email from someone that we're going
Speaker 4: to call a New Starting to take start. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: it spelled the way you think it is, so we
Speaker 4: had to let that slide. This is this goes across
Speaker 4: a lot of or covers a lot of ground. So
Speaker 4: we're going to give you some excerpts. Maybe stop along
Speaker 4: the way to smell the flowers or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the auses right.
Speaker 2: No, it's a new Start, guys.
Speaker 3: That's all new, like new.
Speaker 4: Metal, like that band, new directions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, howdy friends, says A Start. I have three
Speaker 4: things I'd like to share with you. Please feel free
Speaker 4: to use the information on air. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 4: jump around a little here, jump around, jump around. A
Speaker 4: New Start says. I'm a licensed funeral director in Oklahoma
Speaker 4: and a colleague of mine was able to go to
Speaker 4: the National Funeral Director Association International Convention in Vegas in
Speaker 4: August twenty twenty three. He said he was having a
Speaker 4: tough time finding the right area for the venue. He
Speaker 4: had trouble checking in to the convention. Eventually, a lady
Speaker 4: working at check in told him he was at the
Speaker 4: wrong expo. He had been trying to check in at
Speaker 4: some tech convention, so a new start. They started looking
Speaker 4: into this and they're pretty sure their buddy accidentally ended
Speaker 4: up at deaf cod And we've.
Speaker 2: Talked not a good place to end up.
Speaker 3: What we're talking about before. How far did it even go? Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just like some sort of hacker convention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a totally legit hacker convention. And they love it
Speaker 4: if you bring your iPhone with you when you come.
Speaker 4: It's like, this is something we talked about off air
Speaker 4: because some of our fellow conspiracy realists have been pitching
Speaker 4: us ongoing and we just have.
Speaker 3: To prepare very carefully.
Speaker 4: I can't remember if we asked this on air, but
Speaker 4: do you guys want to go to deaf con with me?
Speaker 3: Yes? A soft yes soft?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the that's the old band that Paul Dickett
Speaker 4: was in.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't make it.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, your mouth saying very different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a dramatic irony in those I gases.
Speaker 4: Well here's the other thing. A month after this def
Speaker 4: con convention, the ASD Funeral Communications Company, it's an answering
Speaker 4: service for funeral homes. It got compromised and ASD has
Speaker 4: records of doctor, phone numbers, names, sensitive personal info about
Speaker 4: the deceased, including like your SSN, your social Security number,
Speaker 4: you're next to ken your address. So you have to
Speaker 4: be careful when you when you go to a place
Speaker 4: like def Con, because you might FAFO, you know, very quickly.
Speaker 4: But also we're not saying anybody at def Con as criminals. Guys,
Speaker 4: we're cool, but I want to go so bad. I'm
Speaker 4: just kind of like, how do we plan for that?
Speaker 4: So first we only use cash, right, second, burner phone, flip.
Speaker 2: Phone, not your real name, not your real face, no technology. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's how you do deaf Gunn just goes straight.
Speaker 4: Up ludites assume a ludite personality.
Speaker 3: Yeah man, okay, all right, well we could do it.
Speaker 4: Here's the one that ties into to some other discussions
Speaker 4: will have and I think it's almost like part of
Speaker 4: just one big discussion. Then we love connecting listeners this way.
Speaker 4: A new start says I recently listened to a conversation
Speaker 4: you had about Chinese nationals, the marijuana factory, in human trafficking.
Speaker 4: I don't know a time about that particular story, but
Speaker 4: I can tell you Oklahoma is a hub of human trafficking.
Speaker 4: Tulsa and Oklahoma City are surrounded by a highways that
Speaker 4: can take you out of state to Arkansas, Texas, Kansas
Speaker 4: in just four to five hours. In fact, says a
Speaker 4: New Start, my sister has almost been trafficked twice while
Speaker 4: at a quick trip gas station, both times in broad daylights.
Speaker 4: Road trips are awesome, but do be careful, folks, because
Speaker 4: when those kinds of situations happen, they escalate quickly.
Speaker 3: You know, that's scary.
Speaker 4: It's something to think about. And then this is the
Speaker 4: related thing. And I think the game through things here
Speaker 4: a start, a news start. I think the concept of
Speaker 4: China in topics maybe spoke to you here because you
Speaker 4: follow up and conclude saying, when my spouse and I
Speaker 4: were in the market for buying a house, we had
Speaker 4: a huge issue with Chinese nationals buying up houses and
Speaker 4: property and paying cash. At least that's what the realtor
Speaker 4: told us. When we finally found a house and did
Speaker 4: the inspection, the realtor and the inspector who is also
Speaker 4: a police officer, we're talking with us about how Chinese
Speaker 4: nationals have been buying up property and then turning them
Speaker 4: into weed.
Speaker 3: Farms.
Speaker 4: For the record, I have nothing against Chinese people. Their
Speaker 4: culture is fascinating and their cuisine is banging. So say
Speaker 4: we all and then start says as always stay golden.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a real I think at first
Speaker 4: I was worried that we were being overly paranoid about
Speaker 4: foreign capture of US land that happens in Canada and
Speaker 4: Australia too. I guess I was just concerned about how
Speaker 4: easily that slides into xenophobia, senophobia and racism. But there's
Speaker 4: a conspiracy afoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it stinks that there is. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: There's massive sensitivity when it comes to anything like that, right,
Speaker 2: and so you have to be careful at about how
Speaker 2: you talk about it, what even what you think about it.
Speaker 2: But when there are facts that we can lay out,
Speaker 2: I think it's worth our time. There was another story
Speaker 2: I saw, I think it was this week or last
Speaker 2: week Ben that we were gonna mention. But it was
Speaker 2: or maybe it was a listener mailely came through another state.
Speaker 2: That's limiting foreign capture.
Speaker 4: That's what we're gonna That's what our setup is too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because they are. It is going in a state by
Speaker 4: state way, right, And it's a very difficult conversation for
Speaker 4: people to have because in a country like the United States,
Speaker 4: the idea is generally, if you can afford to buy
Speaker 4: something and it is legal to buy that thing, then
Speaker 4: you're golden because it's your money, right, pursuit of happiness
Speaker 4: and all that. But then if you look at so
Speaker 4: many other countries in the world, it's difficult to buy,
Speaker 4: to actually purchase lands as a foreigner, and that comes
Speaker 4: from real concerns about hedgemony, about surreptitious means of penetration
Speaker 4: or infiltration and control. Like I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: I don't know where the line is, Like how do
Speaker 4: you how do you make it so that the average
Speaker 4: person in the US resident or citizen or what have
Speaker 4: you can afford to buy a hope, there's so many
Speaker 4: problems with it now.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it would require the government stepping in
Speaker 5: and creating programs.
Speaker 3: I mean there are some programs.
Speaker 5: There are things like first time home buyers credits and
Speaker 5: things like that, but that doesn't.
Speaker 4: Apply to availability of property.
Speaker 5: That's just giving you a little bit of a boost
Speaker 5: if you're a first time home owner, home buyer. So
Speaker 5: what we need to do is, like we talked about
Speaker 5: with you know, how do we protect land?
Speaker 3: You know in the United States, how it's.
Speaker 5: Only because of the forward lookingness of certain individuals historically
Speaker 5: that we have things like national parks, because if it
Speaker 5: hadn't been for them and the establishment of the national
Speaker 5: park system, all of that stuff would have been developed
Speaker 5: to hell and gone, you know, no question about it.
Speaker 5: And so that little caveat built into capitalism. Yeah, we've
Speaker 5: got some areas that are not on the table, so
Speaker 5: there needs to be something like that. Not I'm saying
Speaker 5: it's the same as creating national parks, but there needs
Speaker 5: to be some protection at the very least so that
Speaker 5: citizens of our own country get first DIBs on property,
Speaker 5: and not just these multinational companies that may well be
Speaker 5: based in our country. We'll, of course largely talking about
Speaker 5: foreign entities swooping in, but even these developers, you know,
Speaker 5: they need to be somewhat hamstrung a little bit. But
Speaker 5: in the name of capitalism. There are some that would
Speaker 5: believe that that would be a no go, you know,
Speaker 5: that would be hampering capitalism. But I think in order
Speaker 5: to have fairness, you have to have some checks and
Speaker 5: balances on pure capitalism.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a good way
Speaker 4: to look at it. I think that's pretty balanced and
Speaker 4: fair because weirdly enough, the actual like day to day
Speaker 4: existence in the nation of China is pretty hyper capitalistic, right,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think you can pack a lot
Speaker 4: into these terms and ideologies, but the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 4: You could go to the New York Times. There was
Speaker 4: a great article that came out earlier this month by J.
Speaker 4: David Goodman who talks about the US Chinese geopolitical tensions
Speaker 4: and how that is also fueling these moves to ban
Speaker 4: Chinese nationals in specific from buying land or buying investments,
Speaker 4: because what they're saying is these folks aren't coming in.
Speaker 4: They're coming in purporting to be individual actors, but they're
Speaker 4: functioning as proxies of a state power, and that gets
Speaker 4: really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing I was thinking about earlier, guys, was it
Speaker 2: was reporting from middle of last year, and it was
Speaker 2: three or four states Kansas, Missouri, Florida, and there's one
Speaker 2: or two others that warns the stuff It Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is attempting to ban and or limit the sale of
Speaker 2: any property to foreign entity, no matter what it is.
Speaker 2: But then like Florida is aiming directly at China, right.
Speaker 4: And Desanta doubled down on that. I think it was
Speaker 4: in January of this year. He had a news conference. Yeah,
Speaker 4: January tenth, he had a news conference where he went
Speaker 4: he was ten toes down on it. And he's the
Speaker 4: way they write these things sometimes just say non US residents, right,
Speaker 4: But in his case, quite publicly, he's aiming for He's
Speaker 4: aiming for Chinese nationals because he believes that they are
Speaker 4: quote dangerous foreign entities, which is totally, by the way,
Speaker 4: not true. Not everybody is not everybody is working for
Speaker 4: Uncle Gee, you know what I mean. That's where the
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Speaker 3: This one comes from Gazolo.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna jump right in, gents, I subscribe to
Speaker 5: a legislative update service in my home state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Have to.
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 5: I thought you might be interested in pending legislation that
Speaker 5: seeks to expand restrictions on who can own farmland and
Speaker 5: land around critical infrastructure. I'm attaching the link to the
Speaker 5: memo of the proposed changes to the law and a
Speaker 5: copy of the bill. Here are some highlights. The amount
Speaker 5: of farmland owned by foreign entities is up fifty thousand
Speaker 5: acres over last year it is expanded to prohibit certain
Speaker 5: countries and individuals related to them. There must therefore be
Speaker 5: evidence that nation states are getting around the law by
Speaker 5: having proxies or individuals purchased the land. The new law
Speaker 5: would have a cybersecurity task force. I wonder how much
Speaker 5: access the task force will have to everyday citizens information
Speaker 5: in the name of protecting municipal infrastructure. Well, that is
Speaker 5: a question unto itself, isn't it, And I bet you
Speaker 5: will have something to say about that going on. There
Speaker 5: are also broad provisions that would allow the state to
Speaker 5: review all sorts of transactions. There are also penalties to
Speaker 5: a title company that willfully fails to comply, penalties of
Speaker 5: up to one thousands of dollars. This is interesting in
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, and it is clear that most
Speaker 5: nations don't want to do conventional battle with the US,
Speaker 5: i e. Guns and tanks, but they're certainly willing to
Speaker 5: do battle in other ways. It makes you think about
Speaker 5: the long term plan of buying up so much farmland. Thanks,
Speaker 5: and I hope you find this interesting. We do feel
Speaker 5: free to use it on air and use my nickname Gazolo,
Speaker 5: And then Gazolo does link out to this legal database,
Speaker 5: and I'm just gonna give a little bit more information.
Speaker 3: About the bill itself.
Speaker 5: It is from the House of Representatives, and it is
Speaker 5: from a Representative Barbara Glme, Representative Stephanie scale A bop
Speaker 5: skal abop scal a bop I believe that's right, and
Speaker 5: Representative Timothy are Bonner, all House members. The subject of
Speaker 5: the memo is just this prevent unfriendly foreign entities from
Speaker 5: gaining access to and influency our institutions and assets. Very
Speaker 5: broad language there, and I'm just going to read the
Speaker 5: little short memo here. Over the past several years, there
Speaker 5: has been increased attention paid to the efforts of unfriendly
Speaker 5: foreign nations and related actors to influence our institutions and
Speaker 5: gain ownership and access to our critical infrastructure and facilities.
Speaker 5: While the federal government maintains the frontline defenses against such
Speaker 5: foreign efforts through the military and national security apparatus, the
Speaker 5: Commonwealth has a role to play, particularly when it comes
Speaker 5: to oversight of institutions and functions that are typically handled
Speaker 5: at the state level. Several incidents across the nation have
Speaker 5: highlighted some areas of concern that the Commonwealth can address.
Speaker 5: The increase in ownership of domestic farmland by foreign entities
Speaker 5: raises questions about food security. The hacking of the al
Speaker 5: Equippa municipal authority shows the need for the Commonwealth to
Speaker 5: provide a cybersecurity assistance to protect infrastructure. The military deemed
Speaker 5: the purchase of three hundre and seventy acres near an
Speaker 5: air Force base in North Dakota by a Chinese firm
Speaker 5: a security risk. This legislative package is designed to prevent
Speaker 5: unfriendly foreign nations and related actors from gaining access and
Speaker 5: influencing our institutions and assets.
Speaker 3: And then there are some exhibits.
Speaker 5: I guess there are some documents that are put forth
Speaker 5: from the various sponsors of this legislative package. And there's
Speaker 5: an interesting I'm good, I'm gonna read the whole thing,
Speaker 5: but there's an interesting little excerpt from the first one
Speaker 5: from Representative Glime, specifically referring to the idea of protecting
Speaker 5: the Commonwealth's agricultural lands from acquisition by foreign entities and
Speaker 5: foreign governments. It says, as a December thirty first, twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, more than four hundred thousand acres of farmland
Speaker 5: in the Commonwealth is foreign owned, which amounts to two
Speaker 5: point three percent of the privately held agricultural land. While
Speaker 5: this is a relatively low figure in comparison to other states,
Speaker 5: it is an increase of more than fifty thousand acres
Speaker 5: from the previous year. The Agricultural Land Acquisition by Alien's
Speaker 5: Law Act thirty nine of nineteen eighty prohibits aliens who
Speaker 5: are not residents of the United States and foreign governments
Speaker 5: from purchasing more than one hundred acres of farmland in
Speaker 5: the Commonwealth. And then it goes on to talk about
Speaker 5: how this legislation would expand upon that with some of
Speaker 5: the reasons that our listener provided in the body of
Speaker 5: the email, just in terms of, you know, looking into
Speaker 5: is this being done through proxies, etc. So I don't know, guys,
Speaker 5: let's just maybe start there with the idea of expanding
Speaker 5: measures to prevent the outright land grabbing you know of
Speaker 5: our other countries or you know, specifically what's referred to
Speaker 5: as hostile kind of countries unfriendlies.
Speaker 2: Can can we quickly just list those countries that they
Speaker 2: put in there, because they did put countries inside that document.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to list them really quickly, just so
Speaker 2: we have an understanding what we're talking about. It says China, Russia, Belarus, Iran,
Speaker 2: North Korea, Venezuela, that we just talked about Syria, and
Speaker 2: quote other countries that do not permit Americans to purchase
Speaker 2: farmland in their countries quid pro quote.
Speaker 4: So the usual suspects and then the idea of reciprocity exactly.
Speaker 3: Gazulo.
Speaker 4: I just want to say this letter made my day
Speaker 4: when he wrote to it. I also really like the
Speaker 4: way this guy writes, because he said, I've subscribed to
Speaker 4: this I have to I'm a lawyer. It's like I
Speaker 4: could read your shrug. Dude, that was really cool.
Speaker 2: You guys think this is Jack Kelly. He's a lawyer.
Speaker 2: I think that's him.
Speaker 4: We'll have to see a picture of hands to confirm.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is such a and I appreciate you
Speaker 4: sharing out these sources, goal because this is the pickle
Speaker 4: of it. One very important thing to remember is there
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who say, hey, this is
Speaker 4: just paranoia or it's a vector for racism, because if
Speaker 4: you look at the entirety of the pie, then you'll
Speaker 4: see that it's not a huge percentage of the pie.
Speaker 5: It was the first time I heard that two percent
Speaker 5: number thrown around. I think in my mind it was
Speaker 5: way more than that. But to your point, I don't
Speaker 5: think that's entirely the issue, right.
Speaker 4: The issue is the rate of increase, right, not the
Speaker 4: absolute number. The issue is the rise in percentage and
Speaker 4: the and then also to be to say the quiet
Speaker 4: part out loud, to be a little bit dystopian. Some
Speaker 4: of the more long term opposition to this phenomenon comes
Speaker 4: about from the recognition that it's going to be much
Speaker 4: more difficult to get potable water and to get reliable
Speaker 4: agricultural land where a lot of countries in the future.
Speaker 4: It's on the way it's coming, you know. So it's
Speaker 4: there's probably not going to be a law that stops
Speaker 4: Nestley from extracting groundwater. But I don't know, man, it's icky,
Speaker 4: it's complicated.
Speaker 2: Can we just quickly brainstorm on something that Gazolo said,
Speaker 2: the potential strategy associated with buying up law large anchorage farmland.
Speaker 2: So it is potentially that, like you're talking about ben
Speaker 2: just like limiting the those types of lands that the
Speaker 2: country in which that land exists, like preventing them from
Speaker 2: having access to it. I think there's something. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I think there's something to having strategically placed like technological hubs,
Speaker 2: so like a large server from which you could launch
Speaker 2: a cyber attack more locally or just from various parts
Speaker 2: from within the country.
Speaker 4: That's true, that's a that's a very a student valid concern.
Speaker 4: I would agree with that. That's not tinfoil hat stuff
Speaker 4: at all, because it could happen very easily. I would
Speaker 4: add to that also the idea of surveillance and sig int'
Speaker 4: that's a huge piece of it. So you know, porque
Speaker 4: nolos dos right, like, yeah, do all of it at once.
Speaker 4: Grow some corn too.
Speaker 3: Steal the water.
Speaker 5: You're talking too about Gazzolo's mention of the idea of
Speaker 5: the broadness of some of these provisions that could allow
Speaker 5: states to dig into maybe business that isn't even associated
Speaker 5: with this, just in the name of trying to prevent
Speaker 5: some of these things from happening.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, well, okay, so I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: put myself in the position of somebody who is buying
Speaker 2: up farmland strategically top down, like, okay, this is what
Speaker 2: we need to do. We need to buy up farmland
Speaker 2: in far flung areas of the country that we want
Speaker 2: to eventually, you know, attack or weaken in some way. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're thinking militarily, one thing you could do is
Speaker 2: have decentralized literally cyber attack hubs that are coming from
Speaker 2: within the house, right, so it's not an attack that
Speaker 2: you could shut the pipeline down. We recently talked about
Speaker 2: how much of the Internet traffic that we deal with
Speaker 2: on a daily basis gets shipped across these underwater pipelines. Right,
Speaker 2: if you were able to access inside the area, right,
Speaker 2: you didn't need to go through those pipes to carry
Speaker 2: out massive attacks on a country.
Speaker 5: You've already got boots on the ground, you already got
Speaker 5: that little strategic positions of strength strongholds kind of.
Speaker 2: I guess you can, and you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: cut it off like you just cut it off immediately, right,
Speaker 2: and especially if it's decentralized and coming from all different
Speaker 2: parts of like farmland, from all over the country. I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking about that, like that could be a really
Speaker 2: dangerous thing. I'm not saying that's what's happening. I'm just
Speaker 2: thinking that could be one of the reasons the.
Speaker 4: US Air Force agrees though In that New York Times
Speaker 4: article I cited earlier, they're saying, gosh, I guess yeah.
Speaker 4: This was in January as well. They were talking about
Speaker 4: a Chinese company, ostensibly a private company, that bought a
Speaker 4: corn mill in North Dakota. Very few people live in
Speaker 4: North Dakota, relatively, but this corn mill was not far
Speaker 4: from a US Air Force base. Indeed, it was close
Speaker 4: enough to make them uncomfortable, and they, without specifying what
Speaker 4: threat they were concerned about, they said publicly, this is
Speaker 4: a significant threat. It poses near and long term risk
Speaker 4: of significant impacts to our operations in the area. So
Speaker 4: I take it like we all know that politicians in
Speaker 4: this country are vulnerable to grand standing, right to chasing
Speaker 4: the clout of public opinion, So maybe they can be
Speaker 4: a little bit more theatrical, just to be honest. And
Speaker 4: it's a little bit more concerning I think when the
Speaker 4: actual armed services are saying watch out for this right
Speaker 4: because what they're what they're basically saying is they don't
Speaker 4: think it's a private company at all. WHOA.
Speaker 2: This goes back to the Strange News episode from this week. Well,
Speaker 2: we need more electromagnetic warfare specialists. Those are the memory
Speaker 2: of it. We said, those are the guys that disrupt
Speaker 2: and enemy electronics systems with directed energy. Ooh, just aim
Speaker 2: at the corner mill or what was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, silo.
Speaker 4: I like, also, you know, we have to exercise empathy.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of people who get jobs at
Speaker 4: these places and they're just you know, they're nationals from
Speaker 4: a different country, and they're like, all right, well, I
Speaker 4: got to set up this corn mill, and now people
Speaker 4: think up double O seven what gives you know, that's
Speaker 4: very stressful. It's a sorry, very stressful to work in agriculture.
Speaker 4: But it's also very tough to find the line of
Speaker 4: this kind of thing because, again, without sounding too conspiratorial,
Speaker 4: here's how these things can sometimes happen. It happens a
Speaker 4: lot with students you are let's say, I'm not I
Speaker 4: don't want to pick on China here, but it's the
Speaker 4: most it's a plausible example. You're a student, you get
Speaker 4: something like a scholarship from the government of China to
Speaker 4: travel to you know, Europe, or to travel to Japan,
Speaker 4: or to travel to the United States or Canada, et c.
Speaker 4: And then while you're there, just a regular student, they
Speaker 4: start asking you questions on the other side, right back home,
Speaker 4: and these questions that they're asking may not necessarily seem
Speaker 4: sinister or you know, evil stuff, but they're also the
Speaker 4: people who paid for your education, and they might give
Speaker 4: you advice on jobs that you should get right, and
Speaker 4: that might be very specific advice. And that's a concern
Speaker 4: to the US intelligence operations, which is again, it's terribly
Speaker 4: unfair to the majority of people, the vast majority of
Speaker 4: people who are just like I want to study physics
Speaker 4: at MIT, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, do you think the United States is particularly
Speaker 2: vulnerable to this kind of thing because of kind of
Speaker 2: the motto of the country of come on in and
Speaker 2: let's let's try things out.
Speaker 3: Let's make some money too. And I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I just mean, that's where the xenophobia kind of can
Speaker 5: start to creep.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: But it makes me wonder why there appears to be
Speaker 2: such a movement over the past what ten a little
Speaker 2: less than ten years towards that in not just the
Speaker 2: United States, but especially in the Western countries about we
Speaker 2: have to be careful, we have to watch out, and
Speaker 2: we got to protect what's ours.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I just wonder if like that stance of openness and
Speaker 2: like let's have a global let's embrace globalization to its
Speaker 2: fullest extent. Then like the it's a psychological pushback or
Speaker 2: something because of the perceived dangers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, man, I don't know if I would use
Speaker 4: the word vulnerable, because we have to remember in these
Speaker 4: kind of situations we're not really talking about moral absolutes
Speaker 4: or good versus bad guys. It's very much a two
Speaker 4: way street, and the US is doing the same things.
Speaker 4: And there again, it sounds like Tinker Taylor's Soldier Spece
Speaker 4: eye level things, but it does happen, and it's there's
Speaker 4: a cost benefit, I guarantee you Somewhere there's been a
Speaker 4: conversation where they're saying, well, are we able to risk
Speaker 4: the potential cost of compromisation? As you said, uh, is
Speaker 4: it worth? Is that gamble worth? The benefit we get
Speaker 4: from having some people that study with us and then
Speaker 4: go back to their home countries and you know, get
Speaker 4: some specific job advice like yeah, that can I don't know,
Speaker 4: And that's.
Speaker 2: Ah was coming off as you, Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 5: And it also makes me think about, like it all
Speaker 5: of the xenophobia that we see and that has been,
Speaker 5: you know, happening for a long time. Is that a
Speaker 5: pushback against like the intent of the quote unquote founding fathers?
Speaker 5: Like and and where did that whole attitude come from
Speaker 5: in the first place, the idea of give us you're tired,
Speaker 5: you're hungry, and all that. What does make the United
Speaker 5: States special? Coming from a bunch of you know, people
Speaker 5: who today would be looked at largely very problematic, you know,
Speaker 5: and obviously slavery still resulted, you know, despite the Constitution.
Speaker 5: I just wonder, I don't know, I'm sorry, I'm being
Speaker 5: a little muddled to what I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 3: I just like, like, are we really practicing what we preach?
Speaker 5: And like do we still kind of have that open
Speaker 5: arms mentality at all?
Speaker 4: I mean, has this country ever like the overtime windows
Speaker 4: shifts back and forth, you know, And even in the
Speaker 4: days when the US became a thing, even in the
Speaker 4: days of their most open immigration policies, they were still
Speaker 4: very specific about countries they did and didn't, like, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's way easier to migrate to
Speaker 4: the US from Ireland than it is from say, like
Speaker 4: Burkina Fassa or something, and that is by design, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of nasty stuff baked into that policy.
Speaker 4: With this, I don't know it is.
Speaker 5: This is more about if you have money, then we'll
Speaker 5: we'll talk, we'll do business.
Speaker 4: Pretty much, to be honest, and it irritates me so much.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Pretty much every country has a special just for rich
Speaker 4: people residency like a golden passport. Basically if you and
Speaker 4: some of them, by the way, some of those prices
Speaker 4: are surprisingly low, tell us your favorite, but then a
Speaker 4: lot of them are like astronomically high, like New Zealand
Speaker 4: will take your money and just let you live there.
Speaker 4: Many countries will. But it's a lot of money.
Speaker 3: At one time or what like how does it work?
Speaker 3: It's like, is it like a bribe, you know.
Speaker 4: Not directly bribe to them, but I'm sure there are
Speaker 4: a couple like Viigs a little vigorous there. But it's
Speaker 4: more like you will get this special residency opportunity if
Speaker 4: you agree to invest like one hundred thousand dollars US
Speaker 4: in businesses in the country or you know, much higher prices.
Speaker 5: Possibly for a longer term than just one time. I
Speaker 5: guess the results may vary, perhaps.
Speaker 2: See I'm reading here, guys, It says you must be
Speaker 2: able to invest seven hundred and fifty thousand New Zealand
Speaker 2: dollars in New Zealand's economy and keep it for.
Speaker 3: At least two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you can get a temporary retirement visitor visa.
Speaker 3: That is definitely a rich people deal right there.
Speaker 5: Everything about that, I mean in terms of retirement you know,
Speaker 5: like wow.
Speaker 4: Oh, one of the highest numbers actually is Austria. It
Speaker 4: is if you invest nine point five million US dollars equivalent,
Speaker 4: then the wow question.
Speaker 5: This is a little bit off the topic, but because
Speaker 5: of Brexit, are UK citizens now no longer as easily
Speaker 5: able to immigrate to other countries in the European Union.
Speaker 4: It's still TBD, it's still early days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you guys, I just watched my neighbor.
Speaker 2: I saw a flash of white. I'm on the second
Speaker 2: floor of my house, and I could see my neighbor
Speaker 2: just like what like forty five maybe fifty miles per
Speaker 2: hour into their garage and they landed. They stuck the landing,
Speaker 2: but it was just really scary to watch the sash.
Speaker 4: I see that, and I see that, I usually think
Speaker 4: someone really asked to use the restroom, that's the that's
Speaker 4: a poop park, you.
Speaker 9: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what was it scary? It genuinely
Speaker 2: it alarmed me.
Speaker 4: So and some of the things we're talking about here
Speaker 4: are are genuinely alarming, but they are really important.
Speaker 9: We have good we have to we have to think about,
Speaker 9: Like one important point do you want to hit here,
Speaker 9: is that regardless of how you fall on the ideas
Speaker 9: of real estate or immigration or you know, ideology and
Speaker 9: spirit versus ideology and practice, we have to remember that
Speaker 9: there are a lot of totally innocent people who have
Speaker 9: busted their asses to get to the United States.
Speaker 4: And often the problem with crafting laws like this is
Speaker 4: they're not targeting the real problem. They're targeting people who
Speaker 4: don't have the legal wherewithal to defend themselves, even if
Speaker 4: they are innocent. So it's I don't know, maybe someone
Speaker 4: can solve it. Can you think Cazola can solve it?
Speaker 5: I think he's interested in it and certainly seems to
Speaker 5: have the right tools to at least be informed on it.
Speaker 5: And we really appreciate you sharing those tools with us,
Speaker 5: because this is new and I haven't seen this reporter
Speaker 5: on at all even within all of the context of
Speaker 5: the research that you know, we've we've we've discussed on
Speaker 5: this topic.
Speaker 3: So this is really helpful.
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