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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and is a Nascard Team All Star weekend

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. John middlecoff

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Speaker 1: In again today, Jmack back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: So you hear this all the time, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start today with something that's been true for a

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Speaker 1: long time. The NFL is called a copycat lead because

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Speaker 1: coaches copy other coaches schemes.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the players.

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Speaker 1: That's why half the league runs Kyle Shanahan's offense, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of defensive teams can run a two shell

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Speaker 1: the high shell stuff. Now everybody wants to run that

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Speaker 1: and they're taking away big plays.

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Speaker 2: It's called the copycat league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at one point in the NFL, teams with

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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks were piking the ball to running backs for

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Speaker 1: about a ten game stretch. The wildcat offense was a thing.

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Speaker 1: Absurd as that sounds, the NBA is different. The NBA

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Speaker 1: is a follow the leader league. It's not about schemes.

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Speaker 1: Nobody copied Phil Jackson's great triangle offense. Ever, It's about

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Speaker 1: is your star committed to defense yours?

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Speaker 2: Does your star care?

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Speaker 1: So for the last seven years, the All Star Game stunk,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it is the best players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA have become all international, and until Wemby yesterday,

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Speaker 1: none of them care about the All Star Game. Jokis

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Speaker 1: didn't care, Luca didn't care. They care about playing for

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Speaker 1: their country, which is awesome, and they care about winning championships.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. But as the league has.

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Speaker 1: Gotten more international, the best players are seemingly all international.

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Speaker 2: I don't care as.

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Speaker 1: Much about the All Star I mean, Yokic doesn't care

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean he just mocks it. Luga didn't care.

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Speaker 1: So you know who cared about the All Star Game?

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant in his prime, he'd humiliate you, he'd go

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Speaker 1: after you, he'd trash talk you. He trash talk Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Lebron cared about it. So when Kobe's prime, the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game is pretty good, and Kevin Garnet's prime, well,

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game is pretty good because those guys

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Speaker 1: cared about it. I've been saying this for years. The

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Speaker 1: Patriot Way was nonsense. The Patriot Way was tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: The minute he left, the Patriot Way disappeared because Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady allowed Belichick to coach him hard. The reason the

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Speaker 1: Spurs were great and so great defensively wasn't just Greg Popovich.

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Speaker 1: It was that Tim Duncan played defense, practiced hard, played hurt.

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Speaker 1: If Carmelo Anthony's drafted by the Spurs, they may win titles.

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Speaker 1: They're not playing that level of defense. I mean Mello's teams.

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Speaker 1: Mellow was an offensive guy. Barkley was more of an

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Speaker 1: offensive guy, didn't practice hard. Well, then that's the culture.

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Speaker 1: The star player in professional basketball leads the culture. People

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Speaker 1: talk about the Miami Heat culture, it's d Wade. D

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Speaker 1: Wade was an impeccable shape, workout, lifting weights every day,

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Speaker 2: They got all the titles, right. Okay, So this.

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Speaker 1: All Star Game, everybody's talking about, let's change the format,

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Speaker 1: great one last week the format. No Wemby came out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I always felt that Brady. Tom Brady had

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Speaker 1: It almost had an NBA feel to it, a dunkin feel,

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Speaker 1: I've said about the Lakers with Luca. If Luca leads

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Speaker 1: They're playing real defense. So I think Wemby going out.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers are ruding baseball.

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Speaker 1: Well, pitchers and catchers are reporting. Here's what Bryce Harper

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Speaker 1: I love. Bryce Harper said about the Dodgers, quote ruining

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Speaker 4: I mean they pay them money, they spend the money.

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Speaker 4: they do it the right way. They understand what it

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy whose team is getting beat

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Speaker 1: by the Dodgers. Bryce Harper has every reason they hate

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. So, and I've said this for years as

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks with Dirt Noviski. It was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: They both make eight hundred million dollars in revenue a year.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers just spending on their players. It's like I

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Speaker 1: never understand these people that buy a house and they

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Speaker 1: bad plumbing and bad wiring and all that white paint

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Speaker 1: Buy a house over the next two or two years.

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Speaker 1: Not only enjoy living in a better house, but keep up,

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Speaker 1: infrastructure and the foundation. All the Dodgers really do. And yes,

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Speaker 1: they make a lot more money than other teams, not

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Speaker 1: Red Sox decided profit was number one. The Dodgers decided

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Speaker 1: winning is number one. And I mean, look at Netflix.

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Speaker 1: In the first ten years, they were losing money. The

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Speaker 1: But Netflix was isn't just about profits, that wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Was not about profits. And so the Dodgers, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: in baseball and class, the Dodgers pay their announcers a lot.

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Speaker 1: because it was the Dodgers. We're going to be classy,

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Speaker 1: It's not just winning World Series titles, because for about

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. It now plays for the podres the Dodgers rivalry, says,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I think every team should be doing it.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've figured out a way to do it and.

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Speaker 3: Wait for the game. Honestly, so I think every team,

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Speaker 3: every every team has the ability to do it.

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Speaker 1: For the record, the Dodgers valuation increased like twenty to

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent last year alone. Why because they want

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Speaker 1: to get They've done the Netflix. We're not just sitting

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Speaker 1: here looking about profits and handling out dividend checks. We

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Speaker 1: are creating a massive brand and we are building an

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Speaker 1: when you think of winning classy baseball thirty years from now,

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Speaker 1: even if the Dodgers have only won two or three

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Speaker 1: World Series in that time. You think, Wow, the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: are class. That's how you do it. Chicago. Bulls are

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Speaker 1: into profit right. There are certain organizations that make a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Bulls sell out. They got a massive arena.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about winning. They like the profit. And

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Speaker 2: How you doing. It's a Monday. We're live in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: We told you where Colin was raw for years. I

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Speaker 7: best players internationally versus from America. And you see KD

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Speaker 7: and Stephan Lebron kind of pulling a lot of weight.

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Speaker 7: And thankfully in the last couple of years we've had

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Speaker 7: some good ones. Anthony Edwards, Kay Cunningham was another one

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Speaker 7: of those guys who was really competing last night. Cooper

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Speaker 7: Flag looks like a hit, Konk Nipple looks like a hit.

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Speaker 7: But we had like a ten year stretch there. This

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Speaker 7: is crazy. Ben Simmons number one overall, pick, Zion Williamson

438
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Speaker 7: number one overall, pick, Andrew Wiggins number one overall, pick,

439
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Speaker 7: Karl Anthony Towns, Markel Foltz, DeAndre Ayton, even John Morant,

440
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Speaker 7: who's the one guy listed who was a number two pick.

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Speaker 7: Every single one of those guys were huge pedigree, huge

442
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Speaker 7: potential guys who all to varying degrees underachieved. And I'd

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Speaker 7: argue six of those seven have been straight up busts.

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Speaker 7: And at a certain point you can't just consider that

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Speaker 7: to be coincidence. There has to be something developmentally taking place,

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Speaker 7: and I think it's a combination to several factors. There

447
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Speaker 7: are some basic developmental things where some of these guys

448
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Speaker 7: just aren't putting in the work. Like I'm sorry, John Moran.

449
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Speaker 7: John Morant has straight up become a worst jump shooter

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Speaker 7: every single season over the last four or five seasons.

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Speaker 7: He's just not putting in the work. There are guys

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Speaker 7: that haven't developed their skill sets. There are guys that

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Speaker 7: haven't taken care of their bodies, like yeah, Zion Williamson,

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Speaker 7: for example. There are so many different things getting lost

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Speaker 7: there A big part of it too. I think there's

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Speaker 7: been a race to get that first payday, but a

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Speaker 7: lack of the competitive nature that drives you, Like you

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Speaker 7: know what made the All Star Game good last night?

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Speaker 7: When you're in a situation like that where there's nothing

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Speaker 7: you're playing for, You're not trying to achieve some team goal,

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Speaker 7: you're not playing for money, you're not trying to earn

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Speaker 7: your coaches trust in the rotation. The only thing that

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Speaker 7: drives you is that competitive force of will. And thankfully

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Speaker 7: we have some of these younger guys like Aunt, like

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Speaker 7: k like Wemby that are driving that because we had

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Speaker 7: a decade there where the American players just lacked that

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Speaker 7: force of will to become the best versions of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And I also think the better of

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Speaker 1: the college sport is feeding the pro sport, the better

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Speaker 1: it is for the sport, because I think college coaching baseball,

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Speaker 1: it could be anything, Northeast hockey. I think college coaching

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Speaker 1: is really good. The you know, let's talk you the

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Speaker 1: tanking thing is hard because I said this earlier. There

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Speaker 1: used to be in the David Stern NBA you could

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Speaker 1: draft and develop, you could acquire, you could trade for.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of ways to go from unwatchable

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Speaker 1: and bad to good. It may take a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: but there were a lot of avenues. Well, Adam Silver's

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Speaker 1: NBA is it's a draft and development league. It's harder

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Speaker 1: to acquire and trade for Well, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: these smart gms in San Antonio, in Detroit and now

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Speaker 1: Utah are like, well, this is the pathway to get better,

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Speaker 1: and we're bad, and so we're gonna We're gonna tank.

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Speaker 1: And even Adam Silver is like, I don't really have

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Speaker 1: an answer for it. And I guess my whole point

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Speaker 1: on this has been I'm not necessarily pro tanking, Jason,

487
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Speaker 1: but the cap is hard. For a long time it

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, joelakable pay attacks, so whatever, we'll over spit.

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Speaker 1: You can't really do that now, So is there a

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Speaker 1: solution to the tanking because Adam Silver, it seems like

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Speaker 1: the pathway San Antonio, Detroit, Utah to go from bad

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Speaker 1: to great.

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Speaker 2: Not when there's prospects like this.

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Speaker 7: Frankly, you know, like in the same reason that will

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Speaker 7: drive the top five or six teams in the league

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Speaker 7: to do everything to get the Lari O'Brien trophy. When

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Speaker 7: you have a Darren Peterson, when when you have a

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Speaker 7: AJ DEBONSA, when you have players that look that tantalizing,

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Speaker 7: you're just going to have guys do everything they can

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Speaker 7: to try to drop And you know, I hate, you know,

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Speaker 7: I hate when the conversation solely focuses on tanking because

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Speaker 7: even when you look at San Antonio, even when you

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Speaker 7: look at Oklahoma City, it goes deeper than the tanking.

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Speaker 7: They also just organizationally do an amazing job on the margins.

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Speaker 7: They seem to find discounted players later in the draft

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Speaker 7: that are more talented. They have, you know, coaching consistency

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Speaker 7: in a basketball culture, Like there are a lot of

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Speaker 7: teams in the league that have done a lot of

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Speaker 7: tanking that haven't been able to accomplish anything. So I

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Speaker 7: think I think that's an important kind of difference to

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Speaker 7: point out. But the reality is is there isn't a

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Speaker 7: good solution. Like if you abolish the draft, you're going

513
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Speaker 7: to have every agency and you know, every single sponsor

514
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Speaker 7: try to pressure and drive these guys towards big markets.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that necessarily would be good for the

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Speaker 7: competitive balance in the league. They've tried flattening the odds.

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Speaker 7: You could flatten them all the way, That's probably what

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Speaker 7: I would do. I would just have every single team

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Speaker 7: that misses the playoffs have the exact same odds. You'd

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Speaker 7: end up with some shenanigans surrounding the play in like

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Speaker 7: in that seven to ten range. You'd have some teams

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Speaker 7: do some tanking, but at least the teams in the

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Speaker 7: bottom of the league would be incentivized to build strong

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Speaker 7: basketball culture and play well. But the reality is like

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Speaker 7: Adam Silver catches a lot of crap for what's happened

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Speaker 7: in the last few years, but at least he's trying,

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Speaker 7: and frankly, I am yet to hear a solution for

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Speaker 7: the tanking situation that really would work.

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Speaker 1: So your top five NBA title contenders is Oklahoma City, Denver, Eveland,

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Speaker 1: the Timberwolves, and the Spurs. I may have the Spurs

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Speaker 1: a little higher, but they're still young in spots. What's

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Speaker 1: interesting about this group is you don't have the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: who last year when Cat and Brunton are on the floor,

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Speaker 1: there is some defensive deficiencies.

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Speaker 2: But let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a team you don't have in the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: because I do, I mean, I like their roster. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think they should have changed coaches. Mike Brown's fine,

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Speaker 1: He's been around the block. What is it with the

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Speaker 1: Knicks you don't like? So you know what's weird? Colin

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Speaker 1: I actually do like the Knicks more than I liked

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Speaker 1: him last year. Like their core players are better. I

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Speaker 1: think Josh Hart, mchal Bridges and og and Andobi are

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Speaker 1: both having better versions of previous seasons. I think Jalen

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Speaker 1: Brunson is the best version he's been. They're a little deeper.

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Speaker 7: Mike Brown has them playing with more of an emphasis

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Speaker 7: towards dribble penetration early in possessions, so they're generating more

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Speaker 7: catch and shoot threes than they ever had, which has

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Speaker 7: been good for their offense. There's a lot of strengths there.

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Speaker 7: They've had a higher defensive ceiling this year. But it

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Speaker 7: comes down to two things. One, the rest of the

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Speaker 7: league has also gotten, which makes it really difficult to

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Speaker 7: kind of get super enthusiastic. And then basically what you

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Speaker 7: saw with Karl Anthony Towns last night is the biggest

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Speaker 7: thing that stands in the way of me believing in

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Speaker 7: this team. There is a huge difference between being a

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Speaker 7: physically limited defender and a mistake making defender. A mistake

558
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Speaker 7: making defender cannot be planned for, it can't be coached

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Speaker 7: around him. Twice yesterday leaving a shooter when he should

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Speaker 7: have emphasized the fact that the defense needed to take

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Speaker 7: away the three, cost his team a game. There were

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Speaker 7: so many examples in the Pacers series last year of him,

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Speaker 7: like crashing off the top of the key and letting

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Speaker 7: Pascal Siakam leak out for dunks because he doesn't understand

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Speaker 7: transition defense principles. He's just a very sloppy, mistake prone defender,

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Speaker 7: and you can't make mistakes when the margins are that

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Speaker 7: small in the NBA playoffs, is there.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk Lakers because you've always had I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's how I found you at the volume and a

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Speaker 1: lot of your audience as you were a Laker podcaster.

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Speaker 1: I've said before is that it's an uneven franchise and

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Speaker 1: Rob Polenka and it's a three and D league and

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Speaker 1: they don't have enough threes or d's and every it's

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Speaker 1: like every player in the roster is more of an

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Speaker 1: offensive leaning guy. And I also believe, like Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: if your best defender d Wade in this prime, Tim

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Speaker 1: Duncan Kobe is a committed defensive player that it's easier

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Speaker 1: to build a defensive culture if they're not. Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: had limitations physically, then you have to build around them.

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Speaker 1: So to me, and I think Rob Polenka, it's just

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Speaker 1: an offensive. Everybody's offense first, Austin Lebron at this point,

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Speaker 1: Luca DeAndre Ayton, I guess Jared Vanderbilt has some dexterity,

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Speaker 1: you know, switchable stuff. But my take is there a

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Speaker 1: quick solve with the Lakers, and quick I mean with

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Speaker 1: a new ownership group two years, is there a quick solve?

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Speaker 7: I think they could do it in two years, but

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Speaker 7: they would have to hit on just about every decision

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Speaker 7: they've made because Colin, you know, for all the focus

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Speaker 7: on the top of the roster, and I don't want

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Speaker 7: to sit there and pretend it's perfect. There's some overlap

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Speaker 7: between Lebron and Luca. Obviously, all three of those dudes

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Speaker 7: have their defensive concerns at this point. But the truth

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Speaker 7: of the matter is their star power is why they're

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Speaker 7: thirty three and twenty one, the reason why they've won

595
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Speaker 7: as many clutch games as they had, the reason why

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Speaker 7: they've been afloat in the standings is because even though

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Speaker 7: one of those dudes has been hurt all season, the

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Speaker 7: other two have been great. The biggest problem is this

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Speaker 7: roster is utterly devoid of jump shooting talent and athleticism

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Speaker 7: down the roster. They are twenty fifth in catch and

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Speaker 7: shoot three point percentage. On a team that's going to

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Speaker 7: have a lot of guys being thrown at Luca, thrown

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Speaker 7: at Lebron, thrown at Austin. You gotta have guys that

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Speaker 7: can hit, catch and shoot threes, and they don't. And

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Speaker 7: they're twenty third in defensive rating. And I think where

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Speaker 7: this has really started to mount up on Rob Polinka

607
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Speaker 7: is the misses. There have just been too many misses.

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Speaker 7: Draft misses, like wasting first round picks on Jalen Hood,

609
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Speaker 7: Schafino and Dalton Connect and getting nothing out of those guys.

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Speaker 7: Can't even play him or they're out of the league.

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Speaker 7: Free agent misses. Jordan Goodwin was like a really important

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Speaker 7: player for them last year. They let him walk because

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Speaker 7: they didn't want to spend a second round pick to

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Speaker 7: clear a roster spot, so they let him walk. Now

615
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Speaker 7: he's killing it for the Phoenix Suns this year. Letting

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Speaker 7: Alex Crusoe walk batching their mid level exception choices every

617
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Speaker 7: year on Kendrick Nunn and on Gabe Vincent, Like nobody's

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Speaker 7: perfect on this stuff. Calling it's hard, but no one's

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Speaker 7: been as dreadfully bad on the margins on every single

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Speaker 7: decision the way that Rob Polinka has, and that just

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Speaker 7: creates a massive talent disadvantage down the roster. Call it,

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Speaker 7: they need three new starters. Lebron's gonna be leaving. You

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Speaker 7: need three new starters, and they need to build out

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Speaker 7: a bench. They have nobody on the roster who is

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Speaker 7: both a good defender and a good catch and shoot player. Literally,

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Speaker 7: not a single one. They are at such a huge

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Speaker 7: disadvantage in this department. Their only shot at upsetting anybody

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Speaker 7: this year is just all three of their stars are

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Speaker 7: healthy and hit some crazy top gear for two weeks.

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Speaker 7: But that's really hard to win four playoff rounds, and

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Speaker 7: then Lebron will be gone, and then you won't have

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Speaker 7: the same top end talent.

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Speaker 2: They got a long way to.

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Speaker 1: Go, so do the Warriors who have fallen in love

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Speaker 1: with keeping stuff comfortable. We'll wrap it here. The kaminga

636
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: story again, kind of a g League ignight raw athletic,

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Speaker 1: never developed, a great shot, not a good rebounder, a

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00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: little hot and cold down low.

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Speaker 2: There were moments his length.

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Speaker 1: And athletic ability was good, but I didn't feel he

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Speaker 1: was consistent down low.

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Speaker 2: You would know more about that than me.

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Speaker 1: But my take on the Warriors is for years I thought,

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Speaker 1: what a great organization. Then there's the Kaminga mess. Who

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Speaker 1: do we blame for that? Is it Curr's system is

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Speaker 1: too Curry favorable? Is it Kaminga didn't develop like it

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Speaker 1: was an ugly mess. They really wanted it to work.

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Speaker 1: The longer he was there, the uglier it got. Who's

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Speaker 1: to blame on that?

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Speaker 7: I blame the front office in Joe lacub and is

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Speaker 7: kind of easy for me. The thing was Steph Curry

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Speaker 7: say what you want about the age, and it does

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Speaker 7: get complicated. Now you waiting as long as you have

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Speaker 7: Steph next year, Like let's say you make a move

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Speaker 7: for Yannis this summer. Steph turns thirty nine next March.

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Speaker 7: The timeframe now is now just about over. But the

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Speaker 7: point is he was worth investing in during these years.

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Speaker 7: The hallmark of elite NBA offense is a one to

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Speaker 7: twenty offensive rating, meaning you score one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 7: points per one hundred possessions. Last year when Steph was

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Speaker 7: on the floor, despite the inadequate offensive talent around him,

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Speaker 7: one twenty offensive rating this year one nineteen and a half.

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Speaker 7: Why because Steph still to this day, just running around

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Speaker 7: in circles, being the shooting threat that he is, is

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Speaker 7: guaranteed to generate you a bunch of good shots, and

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Speaker 7: that is why he was worth investing in. Do you

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Speaker 7: remember in that twenty twenty two finals when they were

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Speaker 7: playing Boston and Boston went up to one, and you

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Speaker 7: and I recover in that series, and we were talking

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Speaker 7: about how Boston looked a little more talented, like there

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Speaker 7: was a real talent advantage. Steph goes nuclear in Game four,

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Speaker 7: pulls it out. Laka gets to look like a genius

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Speaker 7: for not trading his young players. But in the following

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Speaker 7: seasons it became pretty clear that they needed a talent upgrade.

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Speaker 7: And the main year I look at is that twenty

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Speaker 7: three to twenty four season when both Pascal Siakam and

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Speaker 7: ogn Ando became available and the Warriors could have made

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Speaker 7: a move on one of those guys with Kaminga in

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Speaker 7: some draft compensation. They could have won those bidding wars,

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Speaker 7: They could have made that upgrade and competed for a championship.

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Speaker 7: But Joe Lockul looked at Kaminga and he saw a star.

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Speaker 7: And this is one of the most frequent issues that

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Speaker 7: you see, the tantalizing potential over the the realistic outcomes

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Speaker 7: that you have in front of you. And they always

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Speaker 7: towed that line and tried to play both eras and

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Speaker 7: the future era ended up being nothing. And now the

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Speaker 7: current era looks like it's running out of time. And

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Speaker 7: I just blamed the front office for not basically investing

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Speaker 7: in Steph and believing too much in this young talent.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got a sample of how hard he works.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jason Timp. Follow him at the volume.

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Speaker 1: It's great, buddy, seeing you as always. We will talk

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Speaker 1: now much more frequently over the next three months, and

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Speaker 1: nice job.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Man Hoops, tonight is the podcast. That guy's a hustler. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he is a Laker savant. He just kind of took

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Speaker 1: apart Limb by limb, Rob Polenka. They just made too

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Speaker 1: many mistakes. Now, in fairness, the Dodgers ownership group has

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Speaker 1: got deep pockets and a lot of the money the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Should spend is in the front office.

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Speaker 1: You go look at the I much like basketball, baseball

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Speaker 1: is international. It's very complex, very sophisticated. The Dodgers just

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Speaker 1: don't miss a lot. Now, Andrew Friedman is as sharp

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Speaker 1: as any GM in the sport, but they just don't

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Speaker 1: miss a lot. The Lakers got very friends and family oriented.

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Speaker 1: They need more eyes, they need more people, outsiders,