1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: You'd see some of a which podcast I heard was 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. My guest is Chris f Chris the golf 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: fitness space. You know, twenty years ago, we just didn't 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: see a lot of people doing what you do. You've 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: created a business and a company, and I think there 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of people around the country and around 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: the world kind of doing what you're doing. But the 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: idea behind golf fitness, the idea behind are for success. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: What was the reason why you wanted to get into 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the kind of golf fitness space and what are some 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: things that you think the average golfer can learn from 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: golf fitness? But why also do you think the average 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: golfer is kind of afraid of golf fitness as well? 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple as I think the first one, 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: Why did I get into it? I think, you know, 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: back in I don't know, probably twenty nine, twenty ten. Yeah, 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: it was still relatively new, right, I mean, Tiger was 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: out early two thousands. He was kind of the guy 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: that started making it popular on tour, you know, you know, 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: Greg and Dave a TPI, they were kind of starting 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: to become more popular throughout the fitness and medical space, 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: and I was an avid golfer at that point and 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: just decided I wanted to work with people who actually 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: wanted to get better, and who better to work with 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: than golf nuts, right, who will literally do anything. It's 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: been interesting. I think when I started it was it 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: was funny you talk about like building a business around it. 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: I joke with the guys. Now when I started, people 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: look at me. I'd be, hey, man, you want to 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: you know, I do golf fitness and they'd be like, 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: what the heck's that? They're like, you know, to your point, 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: they were like afraid of it. They're like I don't 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: need that, like I gotta take lessons or I need 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: joint And nowadays it's become much more mainstream with you know, 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: just all the guys work and the girls working out, 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: and it's just kind of it's become accepted. I think 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: the reason I got into it and at that point was, 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, my limitation was they'd be like, hey, I 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: swing one hundred miles an hour as a you know, 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: as a forty five or sixty five year old guy, 41 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Like is that good? And I'd be like, I don't know, 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: Tiger swings one twenty like this is what he looks like. 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: And so that was kind of the genesis Parker success 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: was trying to, you know, at this point, we built 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: the database for fifteen thousand golfers of amateurs, right, and 46 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: so we can tell somebody, Hey, if you're fifty five 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: and you have these physical restrictions, like this is how 48 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: fast you can safely swing, or this is how you 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: compare to other people your age. And I think people 50 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: inherently are afraid of golf fitness in a way because 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: they just don't know. It's an unknown. It's like anything 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: else in human nature. People are afraid of things that 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: they don't know. And I think that was kind of 54 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: the impetus for me was I want to make sure 55 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: that that fifty five year old guy like knows if 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: swinging ninety five miles an hour is good or not. 57 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: A is it good in terms of relative to other 58 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: fifty five year olds, but b like if he wants 59 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: to swing one hundred physically, can he do it? And 60 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: what are the exact things that I can tell him 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: to do that. I think back in twenty ten it 62 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: was kind of you. I wouldn't say it's very at 63 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: this point, still a little bit wild West. But back 64 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: then it was like holy cow, like no idea. Let's 65 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: try all this stuff and we'll see what shakes out. 66 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: And we've just been tracking data for fifteen years, I 67 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: guess at this point and to where it is not 68 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: so much that. 69 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: So, Chris, for you, what is golf fitness to you? 70 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: When we you know that's a term, it's it's a 71 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: broad term. And like I said, there are a lot 72 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: of people in the golf fitness space now, but when 73 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: you're thinking about golf fitness and what it is, how 74 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: do you define golf fitness? 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: That's a great question. A lot I'm glad you asked that. 76 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: So for me, fitness is like what you see on 77 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: social right you go on Instagram, It's the latest coolest exercise. 78 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's just kind 79 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: of like, that's that's fitness right to me. What we 80 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: do is I like to call it golf performance or 81 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, sport performance, where there's there's more of it, 82 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: there's science to it. We literally we assess every single 83 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: person that comes in. I'm not guessing on anything, and 84 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: I know that based on where you are now, And 85 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: you tell me how many miles an hour you want 86 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: to get to. I can pull from the database and say, hey, 87 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: this is what people who are swinging that fast or 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: doing whatever it is that you're talking about wanting to do. 89 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: This is exactly what they do. This is where you are, 90 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: So we need to do you know, X Y to 91 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: get you to that exact point. So, to me, that's 92 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: the biggest difference. You know, I think you said golf 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: fitness is kind of everywhere, right, you want the amount 94 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: of social accounts and the amount of stupid stuff that 95 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: you I mean, you see the swing instruction too, like 96 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: stupid drills, and it's just like there's no rhyme or 97 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: reason to it. And unfortunately, there's a lot of golfers 98 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: who now are seeing people working out and they see 99 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: that and they're like, oh, I'm gonna try that, But 100 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, they may not need that, they may need 101 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: something totally different, And unfortunately, in a lot of cases, 102 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: people get hurt just trying random stuff and then kind 103 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: of the stuff that could help them ends up getting 104 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: a bad rap. So I think that to me, the 105 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: big difference is golf performance is there's science to it, 106 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: there's data, there's and golf fitness is very much just hey, 107 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: try the latest coolest thing that you saw somebody else 108 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: doing to get get faster, and ultimately the goal of 109 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: it is to help people play the game as long 110 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: as possible, at as high of a level as possible, 111 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: or the highest level of enjoyment as possible. Right. And 112 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: whether that's the junior trying to playing college, the collegiate 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: person player trying to play professionally, or the sixty five 114 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: year old guy trying to play until he's ninety, right, 115 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: those definitions will vary. But to me, that's the value 116 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: of it is it supports everything that guys like you 117 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: do on the instructional side and allows the student to 118 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: do what someone like yourself's asking them to do. 119 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the other thing that you know, 120 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: we don't have to guess now we can We can 121 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: measure with launch monitor technology to see what the golf 122 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: club and the golf ball are doing. We can look 123 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: at three D technology to look at what your body's doing, 124 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: we can look at force plate. All that stuff has 125 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: become very much mainstream now. But the database that you 126 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: have the over a decade of getting all this data 127 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: and this information for everyone listening, Chris, what are some 128 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: monalities that we see in golfers from a physical standpoint. Obviously, 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: the guys at the title is performance since the dude 130 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: Greg Rose and Dave Phillips they kind of came up 131 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: with their big twelve swing faults, you know, about twenty 132 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: years ago, and we're kind of at the forefront for that. 133 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty four, now, who is the person 134 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: that is coming in to see you guys, and what 135 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: are some generalizations or commonalities in the physical screens that 136 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: you were seeing in golfers. 137 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for us, you know, in Greg and Dave, 138 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: I mean Greg in particular was a massive influence for 139 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: me and good friend at this point. And for me 140 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: it was always how do I make it simpler? Right? 141 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: You know my whole I started out out of a 142 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: shed on a driving range and people don't know what 143 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: the he guy was doing. It was like, how do 144 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: I just make this as simple and boil it down 145 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: as possible? And that's always been the goal with the database, 146 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: and so well, we have guys. We have guys, got 147 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: guy Al actually he's out there now, he's ninety two. 148 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: And then we had last week we had Kyle Berkshire, 149 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: who's ninety two who the world long hit has swings 150 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty five miles an hour, like right, 151 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: so like, and then we have all the guys on 152 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: tour LPG. But you know then really the big kind 153 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: of meat of it is the average golfer, right this 154 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: the single handicap you know, it's you know, fifteen or 155 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: less handicap, who's trying to get better at the gam 156 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: golf you know place a couple times a week, you know. 157 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: And the cool thing that I've always found boiling it 158 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: down is there's there's very common principles and as I 159 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: always use the analogy of like the the old food pyramid, 160 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: and really at the bottom there's a mobility element that required, 161 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: particularly in the rotary areas. So to me, there's four 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: roadary centers. There's hip internal rotation, which is your ability 163 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: to rotate into your trail hip and your tech takeaway 164 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: and your your lead hip on your follow through. There's 165 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: your shoulder rotation, particularly like what's called external rotation. So 166 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: think of a baseball pitcher throwing a ball, like how 167 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: far their arm goes back. Right. Obviously that's the most 168 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: important on your trail side. You need it on both 169 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: but if you had to pick one shoulder to not 170 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: be good at, pick it on your lead shoulder. And 171 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: then you have your trunk rotation, which is technically called 172 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: thoracic spine. You know on TV we called shoulder turn 173 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: right how much the shoulders moved, then neck right. So 174 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: those are the big four rotary centers that if you 175 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: don't have the ability to rotate enough in those areas, 176 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: you're gonna have issues in terms of introducing you know, 177 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: forward and back movement too much side to side. If 178 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: you can't rotate, you're gonna introduce in one of the 179 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: other you know, two planes of motion. So to me, 180 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: that's that's the first commonality is that no matter what level, 181 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: if you don't have the ability to rotate, you're gonna 182 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: have to compensate. You're gonna suffer from swing. This is 183 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: where you know Dave and Greg came up. Hey, your 184 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: hip doesn't do this, you may early extend or you 185 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: may come over the time. You know, it's going to 186 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: influence what your body can or cannot do and what 187 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: your swing ends up looking like. So that's for every 188 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: golfer listening, that's that's where I always start off. We 189 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: have we have a home assessment that we give everybody 190 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: that's like, literally, just do those four things. The crazy thing, 191 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: Claud is like ninety five percent of guys over the 192 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: age of fifty can't pass all for like and and 193 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: particularly the hips. And when you can't pass all for 194 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: or this is the you know, you look at it 195 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: on like three D. The cool thing that we've seen 196 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: is like, literally, if they take ten swings that their 197 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: body moves ten different ways each of the swings, it's 198 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: a different sequence. And then as you improve those mobility centers, 199 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: then maybe they're not hitting the ball like remarkably better, 200 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: but at least their body starts moving more consistently, and 201 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: now all of a sudden what they're trying to do 202 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: and the instructionally has a chance. So that would be 203 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: that bottom layer of the pyramid that I would say, 204 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you're al ninety two swing in 205 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: eighty miles an hour Kyle Berkshire twenty six thing and 206 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: swinging one hundred and sixty five miles an hour like now, 207 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: the degree of rotation Kyle needs versus the degree of 208 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: rotation that ninety two year old I'll need obviously different, 209 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: but the principle fundamentally what they need that doesn't change. 210 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty cool thing across the board. 211 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: One of the things I know that you're really big 212 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: on is longevity on this game of golf. Everybody knows that. 213 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, one of the different erentiators about golf is 214 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: you can play, you know, from a junior to like 215 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: you said, you've got someone that's trying to get better 216 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 1: in his nineties. But longevity. I think a lot of golfers, 217 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: certainly on the lesson side of things, Chris, They've been 218 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: playing golf twenty thirty years. They've been taking golf lessons 219 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: off and on sporadically for a big portion of their 220 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: golfing career. But rarely do we see in golf lessons 221 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: you know that mid handicap range that you're talking about, 222 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: you know that's fifteen to kind of twenty five. There's 223 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: almost no Nobody pays any attention to what your body 224 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: can and can't do. It's all about go buy a 225 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: new putter, Go buy a new driver, Go get new chefts, 226 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: go get losts and lies and all of that. And 227 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: but rarely do people come in and say, listen, I've 228 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: been physically screened. You know, the average golfer that I teach, 229 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: rarely does someone come in and say, listen, yeah, no, 230 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: I know my body can do this. I know my 231 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: body can't do this. And it's always frustrating for me 232 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: because I just don't think there's any other sport that 233 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: you would play. I mean, as we get older, we 234 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: do see people get injured playing pickup basketball, playing soccer, 235 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: playing baseball, cricket, whatever the sport is. You are going 236 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: to get injured the older you get playing those sports 237 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: just because your body isn't designed to play them. In 238 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: your thirties. I mean, you know, I have golfers who 239 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: come in and we'll say, yeah, I was out for 240 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: six months because I was playing pickup basketball and I 241 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: blew my ACL out, And I'm thinking, you know, you 242 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: probably didn't do any sort of real warm ups ida 243 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: micro disectomy in two thousand and eleven. And you know, 244 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: golf to this day is difficult for me to play 245 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: from the physical standpoint. So if I do practice, I 246 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: need to go through a full kind of what I 247 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: see the guys on the PGA Tour do go through 248 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: a dynamic warm up. I need to get stretched before 249 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: I go hit balls. I need to go through a 250 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: big dynamic warm up before I go hit balls. I 251 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: need recovery and work done immediately after I play. You know, 252 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: we have a tournament here at my club. It's a 253 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: pro member and I play, you know, once a year, 254 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and my physio he stretches me, works on me before 255 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I hit golf balls. Then I go through a dynamic 256 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: warm up. Then afterwards I get stretched, I go through 257 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, soft tissue, I you know, get heat, I 258 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: get ice. Because my body, at fifty five, there are 259 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things that swinging a golf club my 260 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: body doesn't like to do. And so I just think 261 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: so many golfers are looking for so much enjoyment and 262 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: have such big expectations out of their golf swing and 263 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: their technique. But I think part of the execution of 264 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: golf and playing golf is knowing what the hell your 265 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: body can and can't do. Can it sustain any of 266 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: the physical things that we are going to ask it 267 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: to do in a very short time window. You know, 268 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: golf swings are over in a second and a half to 269 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: two seconds, and we're asking you to do a lot 270 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: physically in a very small time window. The four kind 271 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: of screens that you guys put out to people. Talk 272 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: me through what they are and what you're looking to 273 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: gain from testing those things. 274 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's it's probably best conceptualized for 275 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: everyone listening to start from the end. So basically what 276 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: we found is there's kind of three buckets that golfers 277 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: end in, right, and they're going to either end in 278 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: I would say less than five percent end in the 279 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: golden bucket, in which we call more RPMs under the hood, 280 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: which is somebody who physically can go really really fast, 281 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: but golf wise, they have no idea how to get 282 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: it out of their body. Right, So that's somebody who's 283 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: no physical concerns. They just literally need to figure out 284 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: how to get the speed out. And that's where you'll 285 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: get guys unfortunate. Is what you see a lot on 286 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: social Right, you see guy go they come in swing 287 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour. Magically, in eight minutes they're 288 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five miles an hour. Right. That 289 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: guy was like primed and ready to go. He just 290 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: didn't know how the heck to use what he had 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: to call it like a cage gorilla, right, So that's 292 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: kind of like the more PM underhood, the middle space 293 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: is called we call balanced golfer. So when we go 294 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: through our screens, there's the form mobility test. We have 295 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: two power tests that causationally can tell us you know, 296 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: how fast somebody should go percentile wise, and the obviously 297 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: have club at speed. And so basically the balanced golfer 298 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: is their club head speed is within about fifteen to 299 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: twenty percentile points of their power numbers, and they pass 300 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: all their mobility tests. So that's somebody who you know, 301 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: they're not swinging out of their shoes relevant that their 302 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: body can handle, nor are they swinging way too slow 303 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: or what they should be doing. 304 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: But the car works. The car is exactly it's it's 305 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: not a Lamborghini, it's not a brand new, souped up supercar, 306 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: but it is a car that will drive at decent 307 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: speeds hand fairly well. And obviously if you're going to 308 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: try and drive a car like that faster, two things 309 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: have to happen, right. You have to know if the 310 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: car can sustain the speed that you're trying to does 311 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the car have the ability to go this fast? And 312 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: can you drive the car at that speed not crash it? 313 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah, are the breaks gonna like plow 314 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: you down once you get up to THEO saspis right, 315 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: And so I think that's the level where we always 316 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: try to. That's where the level where when we talk 317 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: about longevity, you know, where we get people. And it's 318 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: just it's kind of a fun pendulum game where hey, 319 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: we're going to work on getting stronger, and hey, you're 320 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: actually so you're strong and be able to produce power efficiently. 321 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: We can actually these clubhed speed is going to go 322 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: up and then we'll get a little stronger and maintain 323 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: that mobility as we do. And it's kind of like 324 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: this little Seesaw game. And that's really where we see guys, 325 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: you know, maintaining longevity. That's the kind of the goal 326 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: we want to get to. Unfortunately, we're ninety five percent 327 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: of guys over the age of fifty or will be 328 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: called ticking time out. And honestly it's a lot of 329 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: the pros too. We see I mean, Kyle Brooks are 330 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: he came in. He was a mess. He came in 331 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: because he had torn something and we looked at him, 332 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: We're like, well, dude, no wonder you tore this? Your 333 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: shoulders don't move. And so that's where when we look 334 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: at the four rotary centers. Basically to be a ticking 335 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: time bomb, either you fail run of the one of 336 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: the four rotary tests. So that's your hip internal rotation tests. 337 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: So that's your ability to rotate into your leader trail 338 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: leg in your volve swing. You fail. You can't rotate 339 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: your shoulder back behind. So if you think of like 340 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: a baseball pitcher throwing the ball, your forearm doesn't get 341 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: beyond your spine angle right, then you know a trunk rotation. 342 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: So if you're sitting in a chair, you can't rotate 343 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, at least fifty degrees, which is be more 344 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: than halfway both ways. And then neck like you can't 345 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: touch your chin to your collar going both sides right. 346 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, so perfect pass for you. So that's where 347 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: for most guys. Most guys, it's funny when we do 348 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: it with people will get I get a bunch of 349 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: people in a room as my favorite I do like 350 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: a big presentation. We say, all right, guys, we'll go 351 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: through the four roadary centers and we'll test the neck 352 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: and everyone passes and everyone's feeling good, patting themselves on 353 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: the back. So then we'll go to the shoulders, and 354 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: you know, seventy five percent of the room will fail. 355 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, guys, like, oh okay, we got one problems. 356 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: And then we go to the spine because then generally 357 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: most people can pass that, and if not, we do 358 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: some twists and tilts and and they fix pretty quickly 359 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: and you can show them like a quick fix. And 360 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: we always end on the hips because that's the most impactful. 361 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: And that's where somebody, you know, they're sitting in a 362 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: chair and they try to rotate their fut out to 363 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: the side. They're cramping in the front of their hip. 364 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: They're like, wait, it's supposed to move, Like how do 365 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: you do that? Like that's like, you know, they like 366 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: you like an exorcist as much as your your your 367 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: hip is moving. And that is the aha moment that 368 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: most golfers have when they're like, oh my god, you 369 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: know And this is I think, honestly the reason why 370 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: a lot of guys go to lessons and have no idea. 371 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: They just don't have they don't have no clue they 372 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: even have a problem. And that's to me, that's like, 373 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: that's my mission is, like how do I get in 374 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: front of as many golfers as possible. Literally, these tests 375 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: take less than five minutes and you can This is 376 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: like the stuff we have on our website for free, 377 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: Like you literally can go take them and like immediately 378 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: you know you are armed with the information of hey, 379 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: I have a problem or I don't have a problem. 380 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: And then if you do pass the mobility tests, you 381 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: know that's like level one. Level two is to get 382 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: out out of taking time bomb. How strong are you? 383 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: And this is where we see a lot of single 384 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: digit guys because obviously you can create clubhead speed without 385 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: necessarily having tons of strength, right. You see this on 386 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: tour all the time, just waiting for auction to crumble. 387 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: He's a rally kid, right, but like he's crazy elastic, right, 388 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 2: And you'll see and he creates speed with technique and 389 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: technical efficiencies. And so we'll see a lot of guys 390 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: as they get older that they are still able to 391 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: have and we see a Southern Champions Tour too, right, guys, 392 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: they aren't. They just have great technical ability to create speed. 393 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: They're optimized in their equipment. But then when you look 394 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: at their actual strength numbers, they you know they may 395 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: be only in like the twentieth percentile strength, but they're 396 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: swinging at the eightieth percentile speed for their age, right, 397 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: And that's somebody to your analogy. They are driving a 398 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: car faster than what the brakes are able to handle. 399 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: They're driving a Ferrari with nineteen eighty six rusted out 400 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: Honda a cord brakes. And that's the song that's like 401 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: you just you just know at some point that curve 402 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: is going to come and boom. You know there's going 403 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: to be an injury. And so so when we look 404 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: at those tests for guys, that's where I'm always thinking, 405 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 2: as a golfer, are you a ticking time bomb? Are 406 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: you a balanced golfer? Or are you somebody who can 407 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: get a ton more speed right now? Unfortunately, everybody thinks 408 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: they're that last category, right, And that's where we see 409 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: that all these speed training tools. Everybody wants to just 410 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: go to the speed stuff. That's where we see a 411 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: lot of people getting hurt is they're going there without 412 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: the prerequisites. And I think if you're armed with the 413 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: knowledge of what your body can and can't do a 414 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: your speed games are going to be better. And we 415 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: actually do what we call a predicted safe swing speed, 416 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: Like what's your max safe swing speed? And I think 417 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: that's eye opening for guys when it's like, hey, I 418 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: swing one hundred and ten. You do the testing and 419 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: you're like, well, based on the database, you can safely 420 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: swing ninety five. Which how many days of a year 421 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: does your back hurt? Like, oh, yeah, I missed like 422 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: a month a year. Oh well, duh. That makes sense. 423 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: And I think that's a cool place to get to 424 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: for golfers where they know where they stand, they know 425 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: what they need to do to where they want to go. 426 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: And that's to me, that's how we create longevity in 427 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: the game and people really enjoying it. 428 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: I teach a girl plays on the LPGA Tour, Marina 429 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: Alex She's won a couple of times. She was on 430 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: the Solheim Cup team and Marina is five three. She's 431 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: had some pretty significant back issues that almost took her 432 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: out of the game. She can carry the golf ball. Yeah, 433 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: she hits more fairways than she hits greens. She carries 434 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: the golf ball two twenty five to thirty in the air. 435 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: Obviously for her distance is a massive, massive component to 436 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: her improving as a player, but physically all of the 437 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: speed training that you would want to try and send 438 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: someone like her down speed sticks, you know, all the 439 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: kind of dynamic stuff her body like we joke about, 440 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, anytime anybody puts up on social doing speed training, 441 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you know an LPGA or you know an aspiring LPGA player, 442 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: she'll joke about it. She'll go, goch I'm having a 443 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: panic attack watching that. You know what I'm giving what 444 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: I know that type of work would do to my body. 445 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: And I think there's so much information out there now. 446 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: So you know, I asked you earlier, Chris, what is 447 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: golf fitness? So for you, what is speed in the 448 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: golf swing? Because everybody is trying to hit the golf 449 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: ball further, right, I mean that is the holding grail. 450 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: Everybody on tours trying to hit the golf ball further 451 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: at the elite level, everyone in college, the amateur level 452 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: is trying to hit it further. If you're a junior 453 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: golfer and you hit it far, you can you can 454 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: succeed just because of the distance you're can hit it. 455 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: So I think everybody is trying to get speed. Everybody 456 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: is trying to gain speed. So when you think about 457 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: speed in the golf swing. What does that look like 458 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: for you? 459 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a it's a I always use 460 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: a pizza pie now like a visual for people. So 461 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: I always think of it as there's four pieces to 462 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: the speed pie, right, And speed is a skill. It 463 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: is one hundred Some people are born with more natural 464 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: natural of it than others, right, But everybody can you know, 465 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: I've yet to meet a golfer who couldn't get faster, right, obviously, 466 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: minus somebody who's maybe got some massive medical things, and 467 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: there may be a certain speed that that's as high 468 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: as they can get. But the four pieces to the 469 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: pie to me, are you know, the top two or 470 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: more in your realm. Right. There's the equipment side, and 471 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: there's the instructional side. So it's a technique how efficient 472 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: we get. Are we optimized on equipment, Like I can 473 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: give somebody a long drive driver and magically they're going 474 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: to swing faster, Like we can manipulate those things. The 475 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: bottom half of the pie is to me, that's that's 476 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: where that's where I live, right, And so that's where 477 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: the science of the fitness side of things is. And 478 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: to me, there's two pieces to that. There are is 479 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: a mobility piece, which based on all the data that 480 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: we have, mobility is actually not statistically. There's two. There's 481 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: what's called causationally and there's correlated, right, So correlated means hey, 482 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 2: sometimes when the mobility is better, speed gets better. Causationally 483 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: is if I increase X, you know, mobility of hip 484 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: to hear speed will go up. So they are not 485 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: related in that fashion on the mobility side, but it 486 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: is one percent related that way on the injury side. 487 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: So when we're talking about speed, if you don't have 488 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: the necessary mobility and you need more mobility, the faster 489 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: you're going to go. If you don't have that mobility, 490 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: the likelihood you get hurt goes way up. Also, the consistency, 491 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, how consistent the sequence and physic of that 492 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: side of things is going to be is going to 493 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: go down if you don't have the mobility. The other 494 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: piece is the strength and power, which you know obviously, 495 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: how much force you can produce multiplied by how fast 496 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: you produce it is power, right, So to me, clubhead 497 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: speed is the purest expression of power in the golf swing, right, Paul. 498 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: Speed Obviously there's an element of skill and where do 499 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: you hit it? On the club face and all that. 500 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: And that's why I think it's funny when we say, oh, yeah, 501 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: the fitness guy really helped, that's why he's hitting itself far. Well. 502 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: I can make a guy swing one hundred fifty miles 503 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: an hour real like, but if he doesn't have the 504 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: center of the club face, I didn't really have anything 505 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: to do, Like Paul's not going anywhere. So yeah, I 506 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: think that's when I think about speed. I think I 507 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: always I focus on those bottom two, but I'm always 508 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: aware of what are the four and what's the low 509 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: hanging fruit? Right? And I think you mentioned that ten 510 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: to fifteen handicapped person who comes in and they don't 511 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: know anything about their body. They may have clubs from 512 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. That might be the simplest, lowest hanging 513 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: fruit for them, right. They may never have swung golf, 514 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: but they don't know how to hold the club correctly. 515 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, right. There may be other other hacks 516 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: that we can gain some stuff. But when we talk 517 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: about the body, we talked earlier about the bottom of 518 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: that pyramid, the four roadary centers, the hips, the spy, 519 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: and the shoulders in the neck. Well, the next level 520 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: up that we look at it. The big two are 521 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: going to be we look at vertical leap and then 522 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: we look at a seated chess pass and those two statistically, 523 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: when we look at stats, you know, those have a 524 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: causational impact on club. It's been meaning for every x 525 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: amount of inches somebody increases their chest pass, their club 526 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: can go that much faster. Like it's basically a direct 527 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: measure how much bigger. 528 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: You're not a fiable exactly, You're not guessing in that there. 529 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: You guys have enough data that you can look at 530 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: putting a player through their vertical jump, seated chess pass 531 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: with a met ball, and then if those increase, right, 532 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: you can see a direct increase in speed and distance 533 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: or just speed. 534 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: So very important distinction here. And this is I think 535 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: where the beauty of the team that you know TPI 536 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: always talks about is I can increase the size of 537 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: an engine. Nope, like every time, guaranteed, every like that's 538 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: not that's that's easy for me, right. The challenge is 539 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: when you start talking about does the person know how 540 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: to drive the engine? Right? I could have somebody who 541 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 2: comes in with three gears and I can increase their mobility. 542 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: I can increase their vertical leap their basically how much 543 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: power their lower body produces, how much power their upper 544 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: body produces. And I can tell you, hey, look, I've 545 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: increased your ability to swing ten miles an hour faster, 546 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: like literally no, like, no problem, but that doesn't mean 547 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: you're going to use it right And then yeah, that's 548 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: where then like okay, well then how do I actually 549 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: to me that there's the third level of the pyramid, 550 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: which we call transfer training, right, and that's how to 551 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: use the ground correctly. Do you time? I think we've 552 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: talked in the past about I had two golfers who 553 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: produced on our force plates the same exact same amount 554 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: of vertical force. One guy swung like fifteen or twenty 555 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: minutes or fifteen or twenty miles an hour faster. He's 556 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: one of the top college players in the country. The 557 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: other guy's fifty five. And the difference of was that 558 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: the fifty five year old guy who used to have 559 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: terrible hit mobility, still produced power like he still had 560 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: terrible hip mobility. He produced all his force after he 561 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: hit the golf ball, whereas the younger guy who produced 562 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: the same amount of force, he produced it basically right, 563 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: at the right after the transition before P five right, 564 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: so like he actually got to use his power versus 565 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: the other guy had no idea how to use that power, right. 566 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: And I think that's where a lot of To me, 567 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: that's where you start. The fun part for me is 568 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: that's where it really starts to bridge the gap. You 569 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: get people better on mobility, they feel better, they get 570 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: out of pain, they're moving better. They're like, oh my god, 571 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: I didn't know I could move this well. And I 572 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: didn't know I didn't have to hurt. After I played 573 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, you get their strength up 574 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: and they're like, wow, I can play multiple days in 575 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: a row, Like my resilience is up, all right, I 576 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: can take my body can take more of a beating. 577 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: And then you get to that last that next level 578 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my god, I can actually express 579 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 2: it in my golf swing. And so to me, that's 580 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: when I think about speed. There's those three elements are 581 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: keys to it, and it's a matter of the person 582 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: and when and where and how much of each do 583 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: you need to then put in. And so that's why 584 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: I think of that speed. Just to sum it all up, 585 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: I think of four pieces to that pie. Technique. Equipment 586 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: you know, power are basically how strong you are and 587 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: how fast you can produce it. Uh, and then obviously 588 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: the mobility and then it's figuring out in that pie. 589 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 2: If I want to get speed, to me, speed is 590 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: easy to me. This is you know, a little peppi 591 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: back like I think a monkey could teach somebody to 592 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: swing the golf club faster. I think the true genius 593 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: is and the and the true skill is when you 594 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: can get somebody to swing the club faster safely so 595 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: that they can continue to do it and it actually 596 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: helps their game, like score wise, right, And that's where 597 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: you come in. 598 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I mean we have watched players go down 599 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: the speed rabbit hole, you know, at the elite tour level. 600 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: I remember Luke Donald, who was, you know, one of 601 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: the best putters in the world and one of the 602 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: best wedge players in the world. And Luke was never 603 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: a prolific driver of the golf ball. Right, he got 604 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: to number one in the world, won the Order of 605 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: Merit you know in Europe and the US and everything, 606 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: and then immediately kind of got rid of his coach 607 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: and went down this route to start to hit it further, 608 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: And I remember watching him on the range and part 609 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: of me in my head and I said this to 610 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: his coach that he let go, who he subsequently was rehired. 611 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: But I was like, is this ten years too late? 612 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Trying to get speed now from Luke? Luke entire game 613 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: was predicated on. Actually, Jeff Maggert came to me a 614 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: couple maybe five years ago and asked me if I 615 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: could help him hit the golf ball further, you know, 616 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: to try and make some gains from a speed standpoint, 617 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I mean, I think we can 618 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: do that, but I said, it is going to take 619 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: a one hundred and eighty degree mind shift for you, 620 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: because your entire career has been based and predicated on accuracy, 621 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: on keeping the ball in play. So to hit the 622 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: golf ball further, yeah, you can do some stuff in 623 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: the gym, like you said, you can create some better mobility, 624 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: some better strength and all of that, but fundamentally, if 625 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: you're going to try and hit the golf ball further, 626 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: like you said, you have to do it responsibly because 627 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: it does require you to swing the golf club faster. 628 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: And for some players, I mean, wouldn't you agree across 629 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the board. I think we are seeing rates of diminishing 630 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: return in Okay, yeah, you've made a speed game, you've 631 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: increased your clubhead speed, you're maybe hitting it a little 632 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: bit further, but your game is going to shit because 633 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: you can't control what you're doing anymore. How to rebalance 634 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: that out? Because I think that's where I see, Chris, 635 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people are trying again, They're trying to 636 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: do the right thing. They're trying to get better shape, 637 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: they're trying to hit it further, They're trying to make 638 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: mobility gains, strength gain, speed gains. But hitting the golf 639 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: ball fifteen yards further with your driver is not a 640 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: silver bullet to becoming a better golfer and improving your 641 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: your handicap. 642 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: No, I think where I think speed is the most important. 643 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: So I think two points. I think one is I 644 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: see it more so in like the fifty plus crew, right, 645 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: the crew, like they're actually like, if you look at 646 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: the population level data that we have at this point, 647 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: like from your fifties to your sixties, like you're gonna 648 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: lose distance from your sixties to your seventies. You're gonna 649 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: lose more if you do the right stuff. We know. 650 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: What we see in our data is like, for instance, 651 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: from fifties to sixties, on average, you're gonna lose about 652 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: eight to ten miles an hour. If you do the 653 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 2: right stuff, you can cut that loss to one to two. Right, 654 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: So you can't stop the loss, but you got it 655 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: by almost the factor. 656 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, there's a big difference losing eight to ten 657 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: miles per hour and loosing free. 658 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so I think, and those gaps just 659 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: get bigger as you go the later in the population, 660 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: you know, from the decades. But so I think in 661 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: those groups, to me, the speed gains are more like 662 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: trying to stave off loss and kind of stay where 663 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: you are. And the cool thing is for a lot 664 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: of those guys is initially you know they'll gain like 665 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: we see on average in the first ten to twelve weeks, 666 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: on average, we see you know, about three miles now 667 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: is about ten yards. Right in the first year, we 668 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: see about five to seven miles an hour across the 669 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: population since gets close to twenty. And now that's just 670 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: because a lot of the guys have lost a bunch 671 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: to begin with, and so you're kind of gaining back 672 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: stuff that they lost. So I think in that population, 673 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 2: changing distance a lot of times helps. I think when 674 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: you're talking the elite level player. So I'll use Ryan 675 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: Gerard as an example. He's scorn fairy guy, had a 676 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: great run, kind of top five in the Honda, and 677 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: then he's a Raley kid and he kind of played 678 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: his way through conditional stats for ever the other year. 679 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: And for him, it's fun having conversations with him. It's 680 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: like he's come in and we're like, dude, like, how 681 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: are you He's like, what are you working on? He's like, well, 682 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: I'm between like one seventy four to one seventy six 683 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: ball speed. If I get too close to one eighty, 684 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: I start to lose it. So I really just want 685 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: to stay where I am. Like, if I gain one 686 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: or two, that's fine. But really, for him it became 687 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: it was a longevity perspective of how can we make 688 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: sure he maintains his mobility and his strength and if 689 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: we want to build his we want to almost build 690 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: a buffer for him. So for a lot of those guys, 691 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: it's like I just want to keep swinging like one 692 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: seventy you know, mid one seventies, let's say ball speed. 693 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: But I'd love for my engine speed to be you know, 694 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: mid if it's one hundred and eighty, now like let's 695 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: make it to mid one eighty or high one eighties. 696 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: So I'm actually using less energy to maintain those ball speeds, right, 697 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: And so I think for the there is a sweet 698 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: spot at the high levels of those guys where it's like, hey, 699 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: like far enough's far enough, Like the diminishing return will 700 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: be there, right if you're if you've lost twenty yards 701 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: in the last five years, probably not too worried about 702 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: diminishing returns for that guy. But for the highest of 703 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: high golfers, I think that's where I'm looking at it 704 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: at very in a ton of detail of like how 705 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: do we how do we get your you as big 706 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: of a buffer as possible because we all know, I mean, 707 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: you know this the beginning of the year, you know 708 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: that they're great, and then they get to this time, 709 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: you know, September October, you got duct tape on them, 710 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: trying to keep them together terms, right, So it's really 711 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: in the you know, and even if you get an offseason, 712 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: these guys are playing in the fall and they got 713 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: to play. They just play year round. You're trying to 714 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: start with as much of a buffer as humanly possible 715 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: for these guys, as you know, that's gonna whittle down. 716 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: And that's I think when you're talking about speed, I 717 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: think those are kind of the two lenses I look 718 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: at it based on the player. 719 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: You're working with. Kyle Berkshire, who has, you know, just 720 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: insane type of speed, like his clubhead speed with a 721 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: five iron is what. 722 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't even know whatice club at it with a 723 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: five iron is. It's got to be. I mean, he's 724 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: got to be. I'm trying to think how fast I've 725 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: seen him get. I've seen him. I've seen him get 726 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: his pitching ledge up to like one fifteen, like something stupid. 727 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: Like that is just that is crazy for a guy 728 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: like Kyle from a long drive standpoint, What is he 729 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: trying to do from a speed standpoint, what are some 730 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: of the limitations he has? And what are some of 731 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: the things that you're trying to improve to help him? 732 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Kind of, because I mean he is constantly you know, 733 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: his care is constantly in the red right. He is 734 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: at full throttle all the time, and we saw that 735 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: with Bryson. I mean, you can't sustain that long term 736 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: if you're not doing certain things. So from Kyle's standpoint, 737 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: where does in your opinion, Kyle get his power currently 738 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: and what is he trying to improve? 739 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 2: So Kyle's interesting, I think it Actually you see it 740 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 2: with the you know Xela Taurus getting injured. You see 741 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 2: a lot of guys in their mid twenties they start 742 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: their bodies change. So Kyle's kind of coming through that 743 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: phase as well. So Kyle naturally, like like real talk, 744 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: is a freaking nature like some amazing ability, crazy joint 745 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: for joint, the most flexible human I've ever met. Uh, 746 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: And then you layer on top of that how strong 747 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: he is? So like he now he's put incredible work, ethic, 748 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 2: incredible intelligence on top of incredible genetics. I think when 749 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: you look at him and even all the long drive 750 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: guys and their constraints are literally no different than anyone else. 751 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: Like when he came when he was injured, he had 752 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: partially torn oblique. His shoulder rotation was he couldn't even 753 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: get it past his spine angle like it was. It 754 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: was awful, right, but it had come at it. And 755 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 2: this is where I think that the human body is fascinating. 756 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 2: He had broke his hand on his uh it was 757 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: lead side. He had a handmad fracture and like a 758 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 2: year he then like a year prior, like we weren't 759 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: working with him at that point, we didn't know he 760 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: broke his hand. He got back playing after two weeks 761 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: apparently docked, and he just played the whole season. And 762 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: then over time he started overusing his trail side, his 763 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: right side, his opposite side to make up because that 764 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: left side was getting so you know, it just was weaker, right, 765 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: and so over time, when the body's weaker, it will 766 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: actually start to restrict your motion. So he didn't even 767 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 2: realize that it was happening. But when you look at 768 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: video of him, like the last World Championship last year 769 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: and like up to that, his swing had gotten so 770 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: short just because he had lost the mobility, and so 771 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 2: it ends up happening and then he compensates. Now he's 772 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: an amazing athlete, so he's going to still be able 773 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 2: to swing one hundred and fifty five hundred and sixty 774 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 2: miles an hour and get away with it until he tears. 775 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: So he comes in. We literally did this same stuff 776 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: with him, with the same mobility test, the same strength test. 777 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: We literally he couldn't even like on a cable machine, 778 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: couldn't externally rotate. Just basically think of like if you 779 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: start with your elbow at your side, just pull your 780 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 2: hand out to the side with your elbow at ninety degrees. 781 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 2: He couldn't pull out five five pounds, Like his nervous 782 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: system was so shut off, and so all of his 783 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: issues actually came from his left hand. And then his 784 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: oblique was coming because of all the changes that were 785 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 2: happening on his right shoulder. And then he ends up 786 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: with an oblique issue. But yes, like how does he 787 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: do it? 788 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: So? 789 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: I think like he actually won the World Championships never 790 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 2: swinging more than eighty percent. I think that's the wild 791 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: thing about Kyle is his ball speeds were literally like 792 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 2: ten miles an hour faster than everyone else on average, 793 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: and crazy about long drive. And this gets down another 794 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Just the sport, there's actually a literal point 795 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 2: of diminishing return where the landing zone is like fifty 796 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: yards where most guys will land, where Kyle can land, 797 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: it gets skinnier. Yeah, Now, in most in most distance sports, 798 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: do you get a cone that gets wider as you go, 799 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 2: so it actually disenfranchises you in the sport of long drive, 800 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: your disenfranchise to swing as hard as you possibly can 801 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: because you have less of a chance of it landing 802 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 2: and bounds. So that's where like we when he came 803 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: to us, he was swinging probably one hundred high one 804 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: fifties round one sixty. He added like five miles an 805 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: hour of club as speed. But he never like we 806 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: literally after every set we would recheck his you know, 807 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: for him, the big thing his shoulder turned would that 808 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: was his tail. Everybody has a tell, and that's I 809 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: think the cool part for golfers is to learn what 810 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: your tael is. His was his shoulder rotation would get 811 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: under seventy degrees, So we'd test after every set and 812 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: if it dropped to seventy, we'd increase it. And he 813 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 2: got through it just fine. But he literally claud He 814 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: won that without ever swinging more than like eighty percent. 815 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: It was wild. 816 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: That is just fascinating that you would think that he 817 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: would get a lot of his speed from flexibility, from elasticity, 818 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: and that's actually not the case. He's getting it by just. 819 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 2: Well so and he does. And I think that's the 820 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: interesting thing is and that's what you see that's what 821 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: we're seeing on tour. We bring it back to like 822 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: to golf right, a lot of these young guys I 823 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 2: talked about oxhay or like is al Taurus like they're 824 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 2: they're getting a lot of their speed JT. You know, example, 825 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: because of elasticity. As we age, are the elasticity are 826 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: elasticity in our bodies decreases. So now creating force you 827 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 2: can you know, you can have how much rubber band is, 828 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: how much rubber band stretch you have, and then there's 829 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: also how much force you can create, which how strong 830 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: you are. So you know, there's an interesting test that 831 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 2: I'd encourage everyone to do. It kind of let you 832 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: know how elastic you are. If you basically do a 833 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 2: vertical leap, so you're standing up, you kind of dip 834 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 2: down and you jump up and like stick a piece 835 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 2: of tape or a sticky note on the wall. Right, 836 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 2: that's elastic, right, because you created a stretch when you 837 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: dip down, and you want to then the next and 838 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 2: take another sticky note, squat down, hold it for like 839 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 2: five seconds, don't dip any further, just go straight up. 840 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: So there's no elastic stretch and the difference of what 841 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: those two sticky notes are is you can calculate what's 842 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: called the elastic utilization ratio, which is basically how much 843 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: elasticity do you use to create your power? So what 844 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 2: happens in these guys kind of pre mid twenties, they're 845 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 2: going to jump way higher when they can dip down 846 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 2: and jump up when you look at as they get older, 847 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: that difference gets smaller, and if they don't get stronger, 848 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: they eventually have to either reach harder or try to 849 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: pull harder. The rubber band's gonna start getting skinner and 850 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 2: skinnier and skinnier at those end ranges, and not to mention, 851 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: you start adding in the spine changes that happen structurally 852 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: and kind of around that twenty six twenty seven. You know, 853 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 2: then all that extra side bending and stuff guys are doing. 854 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 2: Now we start seeing issues with backs and those sorts 855 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: of things, particularly if the hips aren't clear and it's 856 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 2: adding more stress on the back. It's just a downward spiral, 857 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 2: So you need both. What makes Kyle and all the 858 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 2: long Drive Colton, all those type if anyone the world 859 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: long Drive, all those top ten guys and girls, is 860 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: there phenomenal at all of them, at both elastic and strength. 861 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: I mean Coulton, he literally is a professional crab fisherman 862 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: out in Alaska in the offseason. I g is the 863 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 2: dude's forearms are like my quads, So they have crazy strength, 864 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 2: they have crazy elasticity. The funny thing is the fastest 865 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 2: players in the world probably have the worst mobility and 866 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 2: that's why they have the shortest shelf life in terms 867 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: of injuries. Kyle was the first World long Drive World 868 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 2: Champion and to have to w D because of injury 869 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 2: and be able to ever come back and win that Literally, 870 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 2: if you get to the top, you get hurt and 871 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 2: that sport generally you're done. 872 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: But that's just never thought about that. That's right though. 873 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: There isn't a domination where you dominate, you know. Jason 874 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: Zubac kind of the old school. They didn't win ten 875 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: in a row. He had that kind of white hot 876 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: minute where he was the longest and then it left. 877 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 2: Generally, generally they get hurt, they don't have the mobility 878 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 2: and they're out. And so I think even at the 879 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 2: top of if you want to call World Long Drive 880 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 2: like the best at speed in the world, there's still 881 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: literally we are teaching them the top players in the 882 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 2: world right now, Like, hey guys, you need mobility. This 883 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: is what hip rotation is. Like they literally have no idea. 884 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 2: It's wild, but that that all trickles down into the PJA, 885 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: LPGA and then obviously the damn game. 886 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: One of my pet peeves is the approach that people 887 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: take to golf. There's no warm up, there's no stretching. 888 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: It's you know, some fake toe touches, you some things 889 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: that look like something from Jazzer Size in the eighties. 890 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 1: But so give give everyone listening three things that they 891 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: can do. Five would be great, but we know people 892 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: are going to do five. So three things that they 893 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: can do before they hit golf balls that are going 894 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: to help prepare their body or what we're going to 895 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: ask you to do. 896 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 2: Yes, I was actually hoping you're gonn asked that question. 897 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 2: So we actually what I did is I actually if 898 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 2: people go to mt put the shows, PARP, success dot Com, 899 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 2: slash harmon, we actually put together the home assessment for 900 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 2: everybody to do. So this is I don't want to 901 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 2: just give you like a general this actually is going 902 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: to be like a specific thing that you listening can 903 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 2: do the best thing you can do pre warm up 904 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 2: is know what your limiting factor is and then you 905 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 2: warm up that particular area. So for most of you listening, 906 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: it'll probably be the hips and the most thing like 907 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 2: what you like. What you said Claude was dynamic, right, 908 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: So when we think of warming up, our muscles are 909 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 2: like I always use the analogy our muscles are like 910 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 2: silly putty. Right. If anybody's had silly putty and you 911 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 2: put it in the freezer and you take it out, 912 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 2: it's like a rock, right, And that's why everybody's really tight. 913 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 2: And when it's cold out it takes longer to warm 914 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 2: up versus put in the microwave or boiler the water. 915 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 2: It's really stringy. So the key is we want to 916 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 2: get our muscles as stringy as possible. And so the 917 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,479 Speaker 2: more multiple joint movements that you can do, the better. 918 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 2: So I think, for instance, if your hips are your 919 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 2: limiting factor, one of the simplest things that I love doing, 920 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 2: or it would be called like a stork turn, or 921 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 2: you could even do like a lunge with a twist 922 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 2: or with a rotation into it. Right. So the more 923 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 2: multiple joints you get moving at once, the better. So 924 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 2: a stork turn would basically like standing on one leg. 925 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 2: Let's say you stand on your right leg, you hook 926 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 2: your left foot behind your right knee, so your kneat, 927 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 2: your left knees kind of bent, and then you just 928 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 2: kind of swing in your left knee around in front 929 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 2: of your right foot. So think of it as if 930 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: you were staying on your right foot and you're like 931 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: rotating into your back swing if your right handed player, 932 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 2: into your follow through if you're a left handed player, 933 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 2: right so you just kind of swinging dynamically that knee 934 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 2: kind of back and forth, and obviously you'd switch. Now 935 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: you can use your golf club to balance your sell 936 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 2: or golf carts, you know, fall over, you know, a 937 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 2: lunge with a twist, you step out, you lunch, and 938 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 2: then you can rotate your upper body over, you know, 939 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 2: over the front leg that's out in front of it. 940 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: You can create a little bit of rotating into that 941 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 2: lead hit now if you have so, that would be 942 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 2: that would be kind of like two options that I 943 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 2: give people for the hips. That's the most commonly failed one. 944 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 2: The second most commonly failed one is are the shoulders 945 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: right and so the easiest one to do for that 946 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 2: I was like, is you know people us, they can 947 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 2: kind of use your golf club, kind of get it 948 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 2: behind your back and you can dynamically just slowly kind 949 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 2: of pull that that arm back a little, loosen it 950 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 2: up back into external rotation. Another one that's that's easy 951 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 2: to do is if you kind of think of your 952 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 2: elbow straight out to the side arm bet ninety degrees, 953 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 2: put it on the golf cart right, and then you 954 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 2: just basically and while you're standing there, you try to 955 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 2: keep your elbow on the on the golf cart, and 956 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 2: then you're just trying to pull that hand off of 957 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 2: the golf cart. So you think of you're kind of 958 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 2: like rotating it back. So think if you're trying to 959 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 2: pull your arm back like how a baseball pitcher would 960 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 2: throw right, and you're just actively dynamically moving it back 961 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 2: and forth right. So the more we can actively turn 962 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: muscles on and move them, that's going to warm them up, 963 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 2: which obviously tries to make them a little string here. 964 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 2: So that gives you four. The other one I would 965 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 2: do look at it would be the twist until it 966 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 2: is one of my favorites, and that steal that one 967 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 2: hundred percent from Greg basically, guys, you're sitting on a 968 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 2: chair or like sitting in your golf cart or bench 969 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 2: on the range. It needs together. You put your arms 970 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 2: on your shoulders right and you just rotate as far 971 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 2: as you can to your left side and then tilt 972 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 2: your right shoulder down to your knees, come back up, 973 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 2: rotate more right. You're just kind of like like almost 974 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 2: like ratcheting yourself to get a little bit further right 975 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 2: and left right. Those would be the big five that 976 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 2: I would say, are there. I think the most important 977 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 2: thing for you guys to know is if everyone listens, 978 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 2: like figure out which one because as you know, like 979 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 2: literally the people show up at two minutes, so like 980 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 2: if we can get if we can get one, we'll 981 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 2: take it. And if there is a like a method 982 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 2: to why you're choosing it, like massive win, we'll take that. 983 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, like you said, I think one of 984 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: the things that would be advantageous is to get physically 985 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: screened so you know what is your what is the issue? 986 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: Is it the lower bodies, the upper body, is it 987 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: your whatever that is, and then before you hit golf balls, 988 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: do something dynamically to kind of get some blood flow 989 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: to get some movement, to get some circulation, to get 990 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: some space in those joints, in those areas, because we're 991 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: going to ask you to do a lot in your 992 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: golf swing, and most people are doing that in a 993 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: very very I mean Brooks DJ, all the players that 994 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: I work with on tour, Marina, everybody, they have physios 995 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: full time that travel with them. They do not hit 996 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: golf balls without getting stretched. They don't get golf balls 997 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: without warming up. They don't hit golf balls without getting 998 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: worked on after they hit balls or practice or play. 999 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: It's not that I mean on tour now that every 1000 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: single week, on every tour. Now there's cold plunges, there's 1001 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, everybody is traveling with normatecs, thera guns, you 1002 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: know all that stuff. So there are ways out there 1003 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: to get your body moving, get your body prep all 1004 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: those you know kind of pressure guns. Now they're making 1005 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: those smaller and smaller. Put one of those in your 1006 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: bag and just turn it on before you hit golf 1007 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: balls and run it over your hips, your legs, your glutes, 1008 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: your calves, your chest, your shoulders. Just get some movement 1009 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: and some blood flow so that you're prepared to do 1010 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: some of the things that you're asking your body to do. 1011 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I think you bring up a good point 1012 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: of the recovery side, I don't think that's talked about enough. 1013 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 2: I think that's totally overlooked. That people don't realize all 1014 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 2: the guys on toard do that and the girls on 1015 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 2: toward do that is and I think it's particularly as 1016 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 2: you get older, Like the recovery, I would argue, is 1017 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 2: almost probably more important than the warm up. Like if 1018 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 2: you recover, if you do their correct recovery, then you 1019 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 2: actually need less warm up the next day, like say 1020 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 2: you're playing a two day or multiple day event, and 1021 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 2: that's you can almost do the same stuff that you 1022 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 2: do for your warm up as you're cool down or 1023 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,839 Speaker 2: you know, just moving into the I think, and this 1024 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 2: is the point that I always try to kind of 1025 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,240 Speaker 2: ram home to you, whether it's juniors or pros, you know, seniors, 1026 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,760 Speaker 2: whoever it is, is like the core principles don't change, 1027 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 2: Like you have to be able to rotate in your 1028 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 2: hips and in your shoulders and your spine, your neck, 1029 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 2: like those things don't go away. And when you go 1030 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 2: out and you play for five six hours, you hit balls, 1031 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 2: you walk four or five milet like, like there is 1032 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 2: a tissue reaction where trigger points are going to form, 1033 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 2: they're going to tighten up, and when that happens, you 1034 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 2: actually you lose elasticity, You're more likely to get hurt. 1035 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 2: So you want to get rid of those as quick 1036 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 2: as you can to help yourself recover. And yeah, I 1037 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,439 Speaker 2: think you can take a note out of the guys 1038 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 2: who are playing for millions and millions that like, if 1039 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 2: they're doing it, there's probably a reason for it, and 1040 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 2: you know, there's certainly a massive reason for everyone listening 1041 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 2: to do it as well. 1042 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: Well. When Brooks kept a turned professional, Mark Wall, who 1043 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: is his physio, I told him I was working with 1044 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Walker at the time and knew Mark through the 1045 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: guys at TPI, and I said to Brooks, you need 1046 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: to hire Mark full time. And he's like, man, have 1047 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: you seen what that guy charges? And I said, he 1048 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: will be the most important person on your team And 1049 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: he said more important than you. I said, absolutely, because 1050 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: what your body is going to go through over the 1051 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: next you know, this was almost ten years ago, twelve 1052 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,919 Speaker 1: years ago. I said, you know, you're going to play 1053 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,919 Speaker 1: more golf than you played. You're going to travel more 1054 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: than you've ever traveled. And to get your body in 1055 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: the position it needs then to you need someone to 1056 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: take care of your car. And I have spent over 1057 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: the last decade so much time with Mark, you know, 1058 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: watching what they do, watching how they work, watching when 1059 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, I like to go sit in when the 1060 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: guys are getting stretched, to talk to the physios, to 1061 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: talk about what they can and can't do. It's a 1062 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: fascinating topic. I mean, we could spend you know, ten 1063 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: hours talking about it. Chris, if people want to find you, 1064 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: where's the easiest with You've got the podcast love the 1065 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: name of the podcast by the way, Yeah, we got 1066 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: the Golf Bitness Bomb Squad. 1067 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 2: That's the pod. And then you know, our goal is 1068 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 2: to try to yeah, I guess diffuse as many of 1069 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 2: you ticking time bombs as possible that are out there. 1070 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, for parp success on all the channels, Instagram, 1071 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 2: so Facebook, you know all those places. YouTube, We do 1072 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 2: a bunch of content there. And then also you know, 1073 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 2: parpsuccess dot com is our website. If you go slash 1074 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 2: harmon you guys can grab the free assessment made if 1075 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 2: all you guys just for listening to the show. That 1076 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 2: can give you, guys, you know, a good giveaway just 1077 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 2: to really understand what exactly you need to do. You 1078 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 2: get all the mobility tests, you'll get the power test, 1079 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,959 Speaker 2: you'll be able to see what your predicted safe swing 1080 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 2: speed is, all for free, just to my number one 1081 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 2: goals to educate everybody. 1082 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's amazing. If if everybody listening this 1083 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: doesn't take one full advantage of that, you're crazy. Because 1084 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: in a very very short period of time, you could 1085 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: do the home assessment, you could get an idea of 1086 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: what your body can and can't do, and then you're 1087 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: able to then go Chris to the people you're working 1088 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 1: with on the instruction side and say, listen, I'm my 1089 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: lower body doesn't rotate well, my upper body doesn't rotate well, 1090 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: whatever the cause is. That was my issue. You know, 1091 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: when I first went and started getting physically screened with 1092 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: Greg and Dave twenty years ago, I had no internal 1093 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: hip rotation. Greg told me, it's not a question of 1094 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to have back surgery. It is a 1095 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: question of when you will have back surgery. It's on 1096 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: point twenty eleven. I couldn't walk out of micro to 1097 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: sect to me, and you know, Greg was the first 1098 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: person I called. Hopefully, if people spend more time with 1099 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: people like you guys and do these home assessments, it 1100 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: can help your golf game and the number one thing, 1101 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: it can help make sure that you're not injured or 1102 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: in pain hitting golf balls. Chris, thanks so much for 1103 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: taking the time to talk to us. The bucket thing 1104 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: to where you're putting the under the hood. I really 1105 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: really like that. I'm definitely going to steal that. I'll 1106 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,840 Speaker 1: give you a credit for it, but listen, man, thanks 1107 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: so much. Good luck with the podcast and everything you 1108 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: guys are doing in North Carolina. And appreciate you talking Josin. 1109 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Thanks Thud. 1110 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone for listening, Rate, review, subscribe 1111 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. It's the son of a 1112 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: bunch of podcast