Speaker 1: What's old is new. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2: I'm one more thing.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about summertime for kids coming up in
Speaker 1: a little bit, and a hot new phrase that everybody's
Speaker 1: discussing thanks to the New York Times. See if you
Speaker 1: agree or disagree. But we'll get to that in just
Speaker 1: a little bit. We don't. We don't do what Katie why.
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Speaker 1: new phrases.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter. Was he
Speaker 1: trying to be funny? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's got to understand how horrifically funny
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 1: You think, all right, well, we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip the other thing we're gonna do right
Speaker 1: to the hot phrase for summertime. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you read this article in the New York Times. It
Speaker 1: caused many tongues to wag and columns to be written
Speaker 1: all around the world. Really, as New York Times unleashed
Speaker 1: upon us the term kid rotting for the summertime and
Speaker 1: rotting as is, your kids are rotting, And it's ended
Speaker 1: up going back and forth with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I am on this, but uh,
Speaker 1: the idea of not having a whole bunch of planned
Speaker 1: camps and activities for your kids, and they just hang
Speaker 1: out on the couch doing nothing all summer, to which
Speaker 1: a lot of people the kid rotting, to which a
Speaker 1: lot of people have replied, that sounds like what my
Speaker 1: summers were like, And I freaking loved them. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: hanging out doing nothing with no plans whatsoever. I remember
Speaker 1: those days. You get up, you had no idea what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do today, and and it was just a
Speaker 1: variety of things and are kind of nothing or whatever.
Speaker 1: And it was awesome. The sense of freedom was awesome.
Speaker 2: Was the modern version of that staring at a screen. Well,
Speaker 2: that's where it gets interesting. None of that stuff you
Speaker 2: said will happen. It'll just be staring at screens, he says.
Speaker 1: But and I'm I'm I you know, I lean real
Speaker 1: far toward that is it's not only it's not just
Speaker 1: a waste of time. It affects your brain and your
Speaker 1: attention span. But that aside, if the if, the if.
Speaker 1: The alternative is all kinds of camps and planned activities
Speaker 1: versus just hang out and do whatever all day long.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I've got this weird resistance
Speaker 1: since I got to do that a lot as a kid,
Speaker 1: my my oldest, my high school son. He is not
Speaker 1: into video games and stuff like that near as much.
Speaker 1: He does a lot of bike riding with his friends
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. But man, I picked
Speaker 1: him and his friends up yesterday. He texted me and said,
Speaker 1: we are just too worn out. We're over at my
Speaker 1: friend Zach's house. Could you come pick us up and
Speaker 1: bring us over to our house. We're just we've been
Speaker 1: riding and it's hot, Okay. I said, give me twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things that could do. But
Speaker 1: I went and picked them up. And I hadn't been
Speaker 1: around this vibe in forty years, but fifty years. But
Speaker 1: just the level of happy, relaxed the world is our
Speaker 1: oyster these three fifteen year olds had with their bikes.
Speaker 1: He loaded them up in my truck and they got in.
Speaker 1: They were just joking and laughing and they were just
Speaker 1: doing nothing all day long and they're gonna do nothing
Speaker 1: the rest of the day but just hang out and
Speaker 1: be teenagers. And it just looked fantastic.
Speaker 2: Well I love that, Katie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that too. But I'm wondering if parents are.
Speaker 3: Signing their kids up for so much stuff because they
Speaker 3: don't want them on their screens all summer. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean, because I, as a kid, I got
Speaker 3: signed up for stuff, but my parents didn't have to
Speaker 3: worry about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well right, Sometimes signing kids up for stuff is
Speaker 1: your daycare for the summer since the school is out,
Speaker 1: and you need to put yeah yeah, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: Although the you know what's happening around those schedule activities
Speaker 2: have changed. Back in the day, it was what Jack
Speaker 2: was describing. There's nothing scheduled. You're just free to do
Speaker 2: what you want, or you can invent or hook up
Speaker 2: with your friends, be bored together. Invente gave blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Now the you know, the surrounding of the scheduled event
Speaker 2: is many more scheduled events. And as a fierce advocate
Speaker 2: of free range parenting, I totally agree with you in principle, Jack,
Speaker 2: is just the screen thing.
Speaker 1: What would you wing out? What would you do? What
Speaker 1: would you recommend?
Speaker 2: Because I carefully scheduled free time, you will absolutely show
Speaker 2: up on time ten a m. For the do whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: Man. I go back and forth with this, my thirteen
Speaker 1: year old all the time. I've gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where I say, I can't say it again. I can't
Speaker 1: say it for the eight millionth time because I tried
Speaker 1: it to limit his screen time. I don't like I'm
Speaker 1: not as disciplined on it as a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends are, where they've got like a timer on their
Speaker 1: Internet or you know, their stopwatch going on it or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they limit to that however many hours. But I
Speaker 1: just like, when I feel like it's been enough, to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's enough screens, So find something to do with that.
Speaker 1: But what will I do? And I always say I can't.
Speaker 1: Now I say I can't say it again. I just can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't list the things again. Walk the dog,
Speaker 1: ride a bike, write something, play a musical instrument, draw, run, exercise,
Speaker 1: I swim, we got a pool. Just I can't list
Speaker 1: the million things you could do that aren't looking at
Speaker 1: his But do one of them, you know.
Speaker 3: One of those four hundred and eighty five.
Speaker 1: Videos you just watched. Do one of those things, those
Speaker 1: like the things. You're the guy in the video, not
Speaker 1: the guy watching the video.
Speaker 2: You know, asking that question that way is as natural
Speaker 2: as like your fingernails growing.
Speaker 1: Well, what am I supposed to do. It's true.
Speaker 2: I remember asking my mom that, Yeah, George Washington's kids,
Speaker 2: we're asking him, what.
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to do? Kids? Get out of the cave,
Speaker 1: your mom and I need to make your brother.
Speaker 2: Right right, Go play with the other you know, pre syllabic,
Speaker 2: non language speaking, grunting cave kids.
Speaker 1: But there's dinosaurs out there. I don't care. Get out
Speaker 1: of the cave.
Speaker 4: Jack, when the kids were in the backseat the car,
Speaker 4: did you tell them that life goes downhill?
Speaker 1: And it's just all that I have had that conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're happy. Now enjoy it while you can, because life
Speaker 1: is nothing but a big disappointment.
Speaker 2: Grind it out as you work for some bastards you
Speaker 2: don't like, You don't respect that. He hasn't care.
Speaker 1: About I have said that day I bed year old.
Speaker 1: Like me, I have said to my son which I
Speaker 1: probablyhouldn't say, because he wants, he wants to get Next
Speaker 1: year he'll be able to get a job at a
Speaker 1: variety of places that he wants to go, because you
Speaker 1: have to be sixteen. But anyway, I say, and then
Speaker 1: you'll start working, and then you will work until you're
Speaker 1: sold and nearly dead, that none of this will matter anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll never stop ever again. And it's true,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you need to lay that
Speaker 1: out when you're sixteen years old.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny. We just got an email from
Speaker 2: some pr group pitching a guest who wants to talk
Speaker 2: about the kid rotting.
Speaker 1: It's the hot phrase, man's thing. Kid rotting is a
Speaker 1: hot phrase. So New York was really on the time
Speaker 1: on the side of uh, you know, we used to
Speaker 1: call we didn't used to call it rotting. We used
Speaker 1: to just call it summertime. And then there's been the pushback,
Speaker 1: obviously with the screen stuff, and so yeah, it's become
Speaker 1: a whole thing. But I do even if you eliminate
Speaker 1: the screens, I know a lot of parents who would
Speaker 1: think it would be horrible if their kids just hung
Speaker 1: out with no plans every day and did nothing. Using
Speaker 1: my finger quotes, it's impossible, as my son always points out,
Speaker 1: to do nothing. Even if you're doing nothing, you're doing something,
Speaker 1: and you lay around and do nothing for a while,
Speaker 1: but you'll come up with something because you just out
Speaker 1: of necessity.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting this guest pitch is actually a woman
Speaker 2: with Campfire. I think it used to be Campfire Girls
Speaker 2: or whatever, but it's Campfire. It's a youth development organization.
Speaker 2: And she believes the conversation misses the real distinction. Not
Speaker 2: all boredom is created equal. There's a huge difference between
Speaker 2: head down boredom, head down boredom zoning out on screens,
Speaker 2: disconnected from others, and head up boredom that sparks activity,
Speaker 2: problem solving, and self discovery.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting turn.
Speaker 2: And then she pitches that camp boredom isn't a problem.
Speaker 2: It's a portal drift. What becomes a fort, seashells become currency,
Speaker 2: and a toilet paper roll becomes binoculars.
Speaker 1: No, it's not gonna help you see anything up close.
Speaker 2: It's just ineffective binoculars.
Speaker 1: Certainly, yes, the distance will seem exactly the same. I
Speaker 1: don't think these are working.
Speaker 4: Jack could have just said, you know, kids, sometimes I
Speaker 4: feel like just taking this car and driving it off
Speaker 4: a cliff.
Speaker 2: No, no, no
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it.