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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May

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Speaker 1: twenty six. J. P. Shadrick with Bucky Brooks and John

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Speaker 1: Osier organized team activities here, some special teams changes, and

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Speaker 1: we'll discuss maybe the approach on special teams for Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 1: Moving ahead, we'll go around the National Football League and

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Speaker 1: we have some social media questions this week. Bucky, John,

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Speaker 1: good to see you guys. Bucky, did you order your

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Speaker 1: number eighty five jersey yet? I have not ordered it yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what color I want to

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Speaker 1: You know, any suggestions if they have one of the

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Speaker 1: gold jerseys from way back, No no, no, no, no

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Speaker 1: that I remember. Subscribe to the official Jaguars podcast that

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Speaker 1: works on Apple, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and give us that five star rating. Organized team activities

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Speaker 1: are underway, and unlike some other teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: namely the Cleveland Browns, the Jaguars have near perfect attendance,

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Speaker 1: and at least in Phase two they did and only

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys were missing there. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Browns don't have really anybody or just a few guys

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Speaker 1: showing up for the offseason workouts here Bucky, but it's

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Speaker 1: a good sign that Jaguars have guys around. It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: New regime want to get in front of the coach

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Speaker 1: and you know, they like what's going on in the building.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, so everybody's here. That's good. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is really good. But I would say this, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: able to get near perfect attendance this year and going forward,

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Speaker 1: it's because it's a nice place. It's a nice spot

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Speaker 1: and so the coach Meyer has alluded to it when

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Speaker 1: it came to recruiting, where you're talking about no state tax,

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Speaker 1: wheather and all those things. A lot of times the

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Speaker 1: teams that have difficulty getting attendance where they want their

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Speaker 1: guys to be around all year are the cold weather places.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville doesn't have to contend with that. And so if

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Speaker 1: the team continues to upgrade some of the things that

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Speaker 1: coach Meyers talked about when it comes to sports performance, nutrition,

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Speaker 1: all of that other stuff, it makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense for guys to work out in the building where

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Speaker 1: they're protected, and they also can kind of get the

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Speaker 1: best teaching and instruction from strength coaches, coach is issues,

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Speaker 1: nutritionist and all of that. JP has always felt and

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Speaker 1: I had a ten year gap when I covered the team,

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Speaker 1: but in the nineties attendance was always pretty good. It's

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Speaker 1: been pretty good here Urban clearly, as you said, the

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Speaker 1: have near perfect attendants. You're always going to have that

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Speaker 1: everything's new, and these veterans, even the guys who who

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. To Bucky's point, you know, compared

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Speaker 1: her speaking, the traffic is not bad here too. It's

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Speaker 1: uh compare I mean, and overall that's just speaking to

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Speaker 1: what he talked about Urban said when he first got here.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason that Jacksonville, Florida, should be a place

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Speaker 1: That's a huge reason why he wants all the sports

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Speaker 1: performance issues that he's talked about JP and we talked

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Speaker 1: Can you see individual players begin to make strides when

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Speaker 1: it comes to just their individual development? Are they showing

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Speaker 1: Are we beginning to hear the same names come up

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Speaker 1: And you just want to make sure that it appears

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Speaker 1: don't really have any doubt that it's gonna look well oiled.

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Speaker 1: I think Urban can run practices. It appeared from what

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Speaker 1: the tight end things. Will we have an answer on that.

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Speaker 1: that interesting at all? Yeah? Like the the Tebow thing,

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Speaker 1: But I don't have any worries of doubts about him

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Speaker 1: I think the position is one where I mean, look, man,

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Speaker 1: in one. Some special teams news. Last week, special teams

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Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Schneider stepping away from the team for personal reasons.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars put out an announcement saying they will fully

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Speaker 1: I must be honest, you know, the way it's set

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Speaker 1: But we wish him the very best obviously with what's

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Speaker 1: football perspective, I guess what, now, do you go hire

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Speaker 1: who is on your staff already, Um, Carlos polk is

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Speaker 1: Bucky is never a good time obviously, And what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts initially on this one? Well, my thoughts initially

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Speaker 1: will be how does Urban Myer view the special teams

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Speaker 1: special teams That was his baby because it allowed him

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Speaker 1: it also is really a management position in terms of

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Speaker 1: game management, clock management in those things. Now, if he

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Speaker 1: promote Carlos Polking and names him the special teams coordinator,

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Speaker 1: he still will be able to oversee it and play

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Speaker 1: know let's thought about this. What was your first concert, Bucky?

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Speaker 1: seeing is it appears that the NFL has become more

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Speaker 1: selfish and nature than ever. It has always been a

431
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Speaker 1: system where you've had different tiers and the pecking order

432
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: and the hierarchy, but man like, let some tell it,

433
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: everything is about the quarterback, and the quarterbacks have whatever

434
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Speaker 1: he wants to make it work because he's the one

435
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: that is sold of responsible for the team winning. It

436
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: is a very interesting time in the National Football League.

437
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I struggle with this one because I don't want to

438
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: be the old guy, uh saying to get off my lawn.

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00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, well when I say this, people accuse me. Oh,

440
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: you're the team guy. You have to say that. But

441
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: I don't think overall in this job that I veered

442
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: toward team over player, and it's not what this is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm asking you this as somebody who played, but

444
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Speaker 1: you are also saw it from a scout in a

445
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Speaker 1: team building perspective, and I could sort of put up

446
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: with the third and fourth year guy, the Jalen Ramsey

447
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: at a non quarterback position who hasn't gotten his first

448
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: contract yet pulling something like this more than I can

449
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback who has been signed to a long term deal.

450
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Speaker 1: And here's why there's a there's an understanding when teams

451
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: go to these quarterbacks with the mega deals and the

452
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: agents get this. The team is saying, we are building

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Speaker 1: our salary cap around you. You are the structure of organization.

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Speaker 1: And then when you turn around in two years and

455
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Speaker 1: want to rechange that, you can't change the dynamics of

456
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Speaker 1: the team you've built around that, and the agents no

457
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: when guys sign what that means. So I guess that's

458
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Speaker 1: why I lean a little more towards with Aaron Rodgers,

459
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Speaker 1: with Shaun Watson, with Russell Wilson. Quarterbacks who want to leave.

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Speaker 1: You know what, you got unbelievable guaranteed money up front.

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00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: That's the trade off for not having control of the

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Speaker 1: roster in two years. And the reason you can't leave

463
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Speaker 1: if you leave the whole team shattered and you knew

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Speaker 1: what you signed on for. Now get off my lawn, Bucky,

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00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: and then m John like, here's here's an instance where

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Speaker 1: we're definitely in alignment. I'm annoyed by the quarterback and

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00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 1: the quarterback conversation. I'm annoyed by all the former quarterbacks

468
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: that have turned TV broadcasters saying that's the way it

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Speaker 1: should be done. Look, I've never understood the same because

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Speaker 1: I didn't. But they want to have their cake and

471
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Speaker 1: needed too, even though I would suggest, like that's the

472
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: whole point of having cake is to eat it. But

473
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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks want to have their cake and needed too,

474
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Speaker 1: so they want to get all of the money they

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Speaker 1: want to get top of the market prices and deals,

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Speaker 1: which makes be really hard and tricky for a team

477
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Speaker 1: to build around them. But then they want to complain

478
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Speaker 1: when they feel like they don't have enough around them

479
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Speaker 1: to allow them to be successful. And so I believe

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Speaker 1: this particular in the case of Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson,

481
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: it is always about the money. It is little to

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Speaker 1: do with the power and to say. And even though

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers can go on TV and have a dissertation

484
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Speaker 1: about the people and you know it's about the people

485
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: and the culture and all this other stuff, I would

486
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Speaker 1: say this about Aaron Rodgers, it was really about the people.

487
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Speaker 1: Are you sure you treated Mike McCarthy right when he

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Speaker 1: was the coach and you were the quarterback and there

489
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Speaker 1: were some issues that you guys may have had because

490
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Speaker 1: it was really about the people, you would have always

491
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Speaker 1: been about the people and making sure that the lines

492
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Speaker 1: of communication were open and everything was fair. But it's

493
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Speaker 1: not that it's always about the money. And I just

494
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Speaker 1: wish that he wasn't passive aggressive and would just say

495
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Speaker 1: it so we wouldn't have to dance around and try

496
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Speaker 1: and interpret what he's saying. In all these parables and

497
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: riddles every time I see him on TV. Well, he

498
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: wants to be communic. But here's the bottom line. I

499
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: like most of the people that I work with the

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00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Jaguars a lot, but I'm still rather to have more money. Yeah,

501
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: that's all great. I like my boss Pek have, I

502
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: like JP. I still have a lot of money, then

503
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Speaker 1: hang out with those It's the reality. I mean, the

504
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: money makes the money makes it a lot easier to

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Speaker 1: do some of the stuff. And so I will say this,

506
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: and I think it's important because eventually maybe we get

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Speaker 1: to a point where the Jaguars have to kind of

508
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Speaker 1: have this conversation with Trevor Lawrence and everything. I think

509
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: the main thing that you want to have is regardless

510
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: of whether the star player agrees with what is about

511
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: to come down the fight, you do have to pick

512
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Speaker 1: up the phone and kind of let them know, a

513
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: here's what we're about to do. When it comes to

514
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: bringing in another quarterback or a weapon. We're thinking about

515
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: this taking off the opinion. But we don't have to say, oh,

516
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna acquis to your demands. But I'm letting you

517
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: know ahead of time, so you can't say, oh, I

518
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't know what that was happening. Now you can get

519
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: over the hurt feelings that comes along with that sometimes,

520
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: but you can't make it a little bit of an

521
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: inclusive process and just being honest and transparent. Hey, here's

522
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Is in the best interest of the

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00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: team for us to at least explore this avenue being camp. Look, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it because because here's the funny thing. The funny

525
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: thing John, all the leverages always with the team, right

526
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the poison pills that they put into the cb A

527
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: this time around, um players don't have any power to

528
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: hold out or or Alma retire. They have to fork

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Speaker 1: over all that money. And so it sounds nice to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: the player has the power and Sean watch this sit

531
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: power to the people. It doesn't work like that business,

532
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't work like that. So it's it sounds nice.

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00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: It's great for like hot takes, but at the end

534
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: of the day and training camp, Aaron Rodgers will show

535
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: up just like the most the rest of these guys

536
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: because no one wants to check, well, we got hot

537
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: takes all over the place these days looked around the NFL.

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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: Let's get to some social media questions and we've got

539
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: some interesting ones today, and I think this was the

540
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: most interesting, So we'll start with it at Jags for Life. James,

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00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: is there any real possibility of a Justin Blackman return?

542
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I had to go

543
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: do a little research on this. I guess Justin started

544
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: a new Instagram page and Maurice Jones Drew was liking

545
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: it and putting out a couple of things that he

546
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: had put out on Instagram. Apparently it's really him. There

547
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: was a couple of messages on there that he's trying,

548
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: He's cleaned things up and trying to get back on

549
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: track and maybe he wants to come try to play

550
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I can handle one comeback in

551
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, I mean Justin Blackman. I mean, who's next, Lazarus?

552
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what's left on the list here? Bucky? I mean,

553
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: I I just is it real. I mean, he's still

554
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: on the reserves, suspended by commissioner list for the Jaguars.

555
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: The Jaguars do have his rights, but it has been

556
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: a long, long long time and I just don't see it.

557
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I hate to even and I think that when we

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Speaker 1: was Justin black Men drafted like what like, oh my gosh,

559
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm spending Yeah. I mean, I can't sneeze it that

560
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: because Tim Tebows making a comeback, I think the one

561
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: thing with Justin Blackman that would be a harder That

562
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: would be a harder deal because there's not a built

563
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: in relationship with any coach or management official when it

564
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: comes to him. There's no one that's invested in him.

565
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: At least with the Tim Tebow thing, you have a

566
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Speaker 1: relationship and a bond built on some of the work

567
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Speaker 1: at Temple. Deal for Irban Meyer as a young player,

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Speaker 1: would you give him the benefit of the doubt. I

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00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: don't think it works necessarily in this case and black

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Speaker 1: Man's favor, So if he does come back and makes it,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would be in Jackson will have

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Speaker 1: to be with somewhere else. The reality, And I don't

573
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: want to make too much light of it, because first

574
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: of all, if today's news or whatever it is is

575
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: indication that he's getting life right off the field, then

576
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: absolutely great for him, because I you know, I probably

577
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: didn't know just as well as JP did. I think

578
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: JP got to know a little bit. I always liked

579
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: the guy. You always rooted for him, and what an

580
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable talent he was. I think he was gonna be big, big, big, big,

581
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: big time. So let's hope. But I agree with you JP,

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00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Bucky, as much as people want to

583
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: criticize the whole Tim Tebow thing, you can understand why

584
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Urban did it because you know, he knows Tim Tebow

585
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Speaker 1: and he believes that the only thing that's going to

586
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: keep this from working is maybe Tim just can't do

587
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: it anymore. But everything in terms of you know, if

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00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: there's an at all a chance he's going to work

589
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: and squeeze everything out of it, So there is some

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00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt that is warranted there. I just

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00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: can't see it with just I mean, it's been a

592
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: long time, eight years, and Tim was playing baseball, so

593
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: you know he's keeping himself in some sort of shape

594
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: and there's never any doubt about his conditioning. Obviously, many

595
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: questions would have to be answered on that front with

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00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Justin to even give it a start. And I you know,

597
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and again I'm not laughing at him,

598
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: just laughing at the enormity of the statement. When you say,

599
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: weirder things have happened. I don't know that weird things

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: would have happened in this case. This would be unbelievable,

601
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: and I just I'd be very, very very very surprised. Yeah,

602
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: and you would have to be reinstated and go through

603
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: a process to be reinstated by the commission and all that.

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00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Even to even think about any of that before you know,

605
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: and then is he in shape and all that? So

606
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't think those hands go away. And I'm telling you,

607
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: Bucky was something. I've covered a lot of great wide receivers,

608
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: Marvin Harris and Jimmy Smith. Nobody he had hands like

609
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: this kid in terms of the strength, the ability to

610
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: snatch balls out of the air. He looked like a

611
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: different beast of playing that wide receiver station. I'm not

612
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: saying he's better than Jimmy, better than Marvin, that's absurd, obviously,

613
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: but every receiver needed something to be special. Jimmy had

614
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: that ability. You couldn't press him. Marvin had those feet,

615
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: you could not cover him. Justin Blackman had hands and

616
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: ability to go get the ball unlike anything I've ever

617
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: seen anything close Buck he was catchable for him. You

618
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: know what's funny is I remember watching him. I went

619
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Speaker 1: to the Fiesta Bowl when he uh, I want to say,

620
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: he lit up Standford, Him and Brandon would weed and

621
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: lit them up in the Festivall. And I just remember

622
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: making notes and comparing them to t O just in

623
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Speaker 1: terms of his size, his run after catch ability. He

624
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: was such a physical freak when it just came to

625
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: just how strong he was. And so look, it's a

626
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: huge disappointment that he was never able to realize that

627
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: potential down in Jacksonville. But you talked about a guy

628
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: coming out of school who I thought was going to

629
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: be a rock star. I thought he was gonna be

630
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: a superstar at the next level because he could go

631
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: and get everything. And when you talk to the people

632
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, because remember when he came out, Dez

633
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Bryant was in his prime, they said, oh, if you

634
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: think this Brian is good, oh, this kid surpasses what

635
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: did Brian is going to do in the National Football League?

636
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: And so it's unfortunate that he got sidetrack, but good

637
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: for him for maybe getting his life back in order.

638
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: I still think it would be a long road to

639
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: climb back from if he attempts to make that comeback

640
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and JP one final thing and obviously you

641
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: witnessed as well as I did. Um even considering everything

642
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: he was going through, he had two or three games

643
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Speaker 1: where he showed it was unbelievable on the field. Yeah.

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00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: One of those was in Houston twelve. That was that

645
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: overtime game that he went well over two hundred yards.

646
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Cecil Shorts had a big game and then Andrew Johnson

647
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: had the game and overtime he went for like two

648
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Speaker 1: eight in that game. It was incredible. In Houston Louis

649
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: in the league and couldn't do it was doing it. Yeah,

650
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: in St. Louis he did a huge game like that too.

651
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Speaker 1: I forget what you if that was twelve, But I

652
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: mean there were a couple of moments where it was like,

653
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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is what this is as advertised.

654
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: And anyway, we've probably gone on about long. I didn't

655
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get that much out of this Scott topic,

656
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: but pretty well, a couple more quick questions we'll get

657
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: out of here for the day. At Evan Off Joel

658
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: staying at wide receiver, do you have you d J.

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Speaker 1: Chark is a true number one or are we still

660
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: lacking a true number one receiver? John I'll let you

661
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: start with us. I kind of wonder. I don't know

662
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: that you need a true number one. It's nice to have,

663
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: but it gets talked about so much, and it's nice

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Speaker 1: that you have an alpha or whatever. I think DJ.

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00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm avoiding the question. But Marvin Jones and

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00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: the Biscuittion all in DJ give you three and as

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: potentially um can DJ B I guess they're asking if

668
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: he could be Julio Jones, if if he can be

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00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: that level of guy where you pay that guy and

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00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: then have everybody else sort of b B. I think

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: DJ can get close to it, and I don't know

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: if we have any idea if he is or not,

673
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played with a big time quarterback yet,

674
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: so he sure looked. I'll tell you what I was

675
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: always impressed with with DJ Bucky was when he first

676
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: started to come along in two thousand, what year was

677
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: a JP nineteen? When he was when he was really good.

678
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: What he could do that was different was when he

679
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: crossed the middle of the field, he could snatch the

680
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: ball on the run, make that high point catch without

681
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: really slowing down, and could turn that into a twenty

682
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: five yard play and he had really good instincts and

683
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: speed and ability to accelerate. That's a route night every

684
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: receiver can run, and he could really turn that into

685
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: an explosive play. So yeah, I don't want to say

686
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna be Julio, but I think he can be

687
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: good enough that I think a team can be good

688
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: with him as your best receiver. Put it that way. Yeah,

689
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: Now this is man. This is a question that has

690
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: so many layers to it. Right, I would say from

691
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: a philosophical standpoint, by definition, a number one receiver is

692
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: a guy who commands double teams when they step onto

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00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: the field. They're not only command the double team, but

694
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: they have the ability to beat double coverage. Um, you

695
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: obviously have seen it John in a few different places.

696
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: When you think about Jimmy Smith, Jimmy Smith was a

697
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: number one receiver. Everyone in the stadium new the ball

698
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: is going to eight two, but you can't do anything

699
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: to stop. And then if you go to your time

700
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis with Marvin Harrison even later Reggie Wayne, everybody

701
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: knows that the ball is going to and no matter

702
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: what the strategy attacked it, you cannot diminish their impact

703
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: on the game. So that's kind of how to find it.

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00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: Now you bring up another point, and I will say this,

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00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: you do not need a number one receiver to win

706
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But the better the quarterback,

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: the lesser the need for number one. If you have

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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: an A plus quarterback, you can win with a bunch

709
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: of bees on the perimeter because the quarterback is going

710
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: to put the ball in spots that allow those those

711
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: B level receivers to be able to win. When the

712
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: quarterback is not an A, then you need better receivers

713
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: to overcompensate for what the quarterback might be lacking. So

714
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence could very well come into the league, and

715
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: if he lives up to what we think he might be,

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00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: d J chart Levisk and those other guys will look

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00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: like one because the quarterback is putting the ball in

718
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: a spot each and every play that allows them to

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00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: easily get the job done. And so some of it

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: is quarterback, some of his receiver. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: the Chicken and the Egg debate. We will know more

722
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: once we get a chance to see Trevor Lawrence your

723
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: one year two to determine where the DJ charces I got,

724
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Speaker 1: I would say on surface I think DJ Chark is

725
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: more of a complimentary wide receiver, a number two with

726
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: the potential to play like number one in the right

727
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: environment and in the right scheme. So we'll see. Yeah.

728
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I thought he showed flashes of it in nineteen at times.

729
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: And the big thing he has to get past Bucky

730
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: is is that ability to win and be productive even

731
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: when he's being double. That's the next step. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's had a chance to show

733
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: that yet in the last couple of years. The most

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Speaker 1: interesting thing anybody ever ever told me about the number

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00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: one receiver Rural early Rural, early in my time in Andy,

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Speaker 1: I asked Tony Dungey about the importance of Marvin Harrison

737
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Speaker 1: being elite and at the time he was elite, this

738
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Speaker 1: was two thousand and three, two thousand four, when he

739
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: was as good as anybody, and he said, as important

740
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: as the production is, what they gained from Marvin being

741
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: a clear elite wide receiver was when they moved him

742
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: to one side of the field. Marvin Harrison being on

743
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: the field and in the gray white receivers dictate the

744
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: defense and what the defense has to do to you

745
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: to a degree that that allowed Peyton to be so

746
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Speaker 1: good at the line of scrimmage. When they sent Marvin

747
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: over here, they knew they had to have two safeties

748
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: with them. They knew had they had to shade coverage.

749
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: They knew in advance what the defense would have to do,

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00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: and it dictated what else the offense could do. It

751
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: made them that much more efficient, And I think that

752
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: sometimes gets lost. You look at it at the number

753
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: one receivers production and think, okay, he had eleven hundred

754
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: yards receiving well in Indy when I was there. What

755
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: enabled that offense to be so good was the defenses

756
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: were so scared of what Marvin had to do or

757
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: could do, that they had to cover them a certain way,

758
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: and that helped Peyton to measurably for a while. Yeah,

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00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: it's it's funny how that conversation is right, because a

760
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of times if we go and we do like

761
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: score books scouting or box score scouting, we look at

762
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: the numbers and and say, hey, this guy is the

763
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: number one because they have that much production. But really

764
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: it's what you say, how did they dictate the terms

765
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: to the defense. You know, when when you think about

766
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: like Marvin, and I think Marvin is an easy example.

767
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: I think everyone understands he was a Hall of Fame

768
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: color player, but Marvin opens it up for everybody else

769
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: to do work. But then the other way to look

770
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: at it is those guys are so good that if

771
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you give them a lottery ticket, meaning you give them

772
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: one on one coverage, they cast a lottery ticket every time.

773
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: So if you line up in a critical situation and say, hey,

774
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna we're gonna take our chances

775
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go one on one, and they make

776
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: you pay for playing one on one coverage. And so

777
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: that's how it should be. And I think the big

778
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: thing for DJ we talked about a great twenty nineteen

779
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: season where he showed flashes being able to do it

780
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: and the quarterback playing twenty was not great. But what

781
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you would like to see is, Okay, now that you're

782
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: a known commodity, can you now take it up or

783
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: notch and continue to produce when everyone knows you. It's

784
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: one thing to put up big production when no one

785
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: ohs and uncertainly, hey who's that guy. It's another thing

786
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: when they come into the game knowing we gotta stop him,

787
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: and he still gets gets loose. That's when you're like, oh, yeah,

788
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: that's the number one receiver all day and JP final thing.

789
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: I think fans listening to this will automatically say, well,

790
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: DJ didn't do that. I don't think he's done it yet,

791
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: but I think I saw things that made me think

792
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: or the made me think that he's capable of doing that.

793
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a fascinating thing to

794
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: watch for d J tark this year. Just because he

795
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: hasn't really shown that yet doesn't mean it's not there.

796
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: There's potential in this guy, the size speed, The book

797
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: is not closed yet on him, on where he ranks

798
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: and what he is he hasn't I don't think he's

799
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: come close to reaching his potential. John the other part

800
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: of it. It also goes to the play call and

801
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: play designer. Right. So it's one thing to be a

802
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: number one receiver, it's another thing to have a play

803
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: designer who understands, okay, all the coverages to it in

804
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: his way. How can I crew opportunities for him to

805
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: get loose? Can I put him in motion? Can I

806
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: draw up some exotics that allow him to find a

807
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: way to get some space, to get loose. The better

808
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: the play caller, the better the chances of the number

809
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: one receiver being dominant each and every week. Because we

810
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: all need help. Candy play caller helped the number one

811
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: receiver find a way to have a handful of one

812
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: on one matchups each game, which allows him to put

813
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: his impact on the game. Do you have it? Tire?

814
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for the social media questions this week, some really

815
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: nice answers to go along with it as well, and

816
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast. Hey Bucky, what you got this week?

817
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: What's coming up? Man? You know, just trying to survey

818
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: the landscape and see what's going on. But JP, we

819
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: got trying to figure out it is now and never

820
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: for several players in the league. Like we always talk

821
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: about guys that we're waiting to pop and are they

822
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: ever going to be what we think? So, for instance,

823
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: I guy like Tavian Bryant, is he ever going to

824
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: be what we think or not? So let's trying to

825
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: study some of those guys around the league, Like who

826
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: are the guys that it happens now or is never

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Speaker 1: going appen? That's what Elvis used to say, John, it's

828
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: an ho or never, now or never? Nara never. Chris

829
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Cross said that once to his shirts on back JPS.

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Speaker 1: For you and I looking forward, we'll be out there

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Speaker 1: and uh, I think fans listening. That's tomorrow and uh

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Speaker 1: big time coverage on Jaguars dot com and our social

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00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: media channels. Yes, great stuff. As always, that's John Osier.

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Speaker 1: Bucky will talk to you again next week. Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: NFL media analyst, And for everyone, I'm J. P. Shadrick.

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