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Speaker 2: A few quick notes before we get started. It's customary

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Speaker 2: in Chinese for family names to come before given names,

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Speaker 2: so with Shoe yan June, Shoe is his family name

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Speaker 2: and Yan June is his given name. But almost everyone

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Speaker 2: we spoke to and almost every document we reviewed for

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Speaker 2: this story referred to him as Shoe, So for simplicity,

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Speaker 2: you'll hear us do the same for him and for

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Speaker 2: a few others. Also, the series includes material originally written

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Speaker 2: and spoken in Chinese. At various points you'll hear actors

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Speaker 2: voicing the translated versions in English. This episode also contains

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Speaker 2: strong language. Finally, this is the second episode. If you

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Speaker 2: miss the first, we recommend going back and listening from

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Speaker 2: the beginning. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: When Jordan and I first started going through the documents

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Speaker 1: of this case, we saw a bunch of the usual

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Speaker 1: things we'd expect, trial testimony, emails, that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: but one thing really stood out. Remember, Shoe Yan June

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Speaker 1: is a spy working for one of the most secretive

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Speaker 1: agencies in the world, China's Ministry of State Security, so

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Speaker 1: it was surprising to come across something much more intimate,

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Speaker 1: something that made us feel like we were inside his head.

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Speaker 3: June eleventh morning, eyeglasses prescription much safe. So the whole

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Speaker 3: family worshiped the Buddha at Jamie Temple until twenty ninth evening.

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Speaker 3: The Fami man and his wife held banquet. April fifth morning,

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Speaker 3: when we was the second one close family to sweep

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Speaker 3: great grandfather's tomb.

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Speaker 4: Shoe Yen June had an online calendar where he put

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Speaker 2: This is Bradley Hall, the lead FBI agent on the

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Speaker 2: shoe Yan June case.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, he would take little

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Speaker 4: notes to himself about what happened that day. Sometimes it

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Speaker 4: was related to source meetings. Sometimes it was related to

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Speaker 4: work conflicts. Sometimes it was about his wife or his child,

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Speaker 4: or the apartment that he wanted to buy.

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Speaker 3: July fifteenth, afternoon, Chase the house signed the contract. May

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth morning, Family day at the shell Shell's kindergarten.

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Speaker 3: out music festival.

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Speaker 2: She goes to a music festival. Shoe eats lobster. She

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Speaker 2: takes his grandfather car shopper. Shee wins money at cards.

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Speaker 3: Lay cards one fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: Shee loses money at cards, lost the seven hundred. Shee

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Speaker 3: At cards nineteen fifteen, last seven hundred, last twenty one hundred,

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Speaker 1: She seems to have been pretty bad at cards.

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Speaker 4: So it was every little piece of his life that

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Speaker 4: he very diligently put down in textual form for us.

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Speaker 3: It was a diary.

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Speaker 1: It was a diary.

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Speaker 3: November sixteenth afternoon, watched Interstellar with John Nae. October thirty,

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Speaker 3: first evening, karaoke November twenty eighth, after dinner for massage.

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Speaker 3: February seventeenth evening, dined with John Howell. Three rounds of

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Speaker 3: drinks puked.

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Speaker 4: There were highs and lows, and we saw all of them.

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Speaker 3: March to third. Grandfather passed away at ten forty pm.

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Speaker 4: He's a complicated fella, would be the simplest way to

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Speaker 5: He has a misuse.

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Speaker 4: He likes to gamble, he likes to womanize.

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Speaker 1: She was married, but wasn't the most faithful husband.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember how many girlfriends we identified, but there

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Speaker 1: One of them starts to dominate his diary around this time.

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Speaker 1: He refers to her with an Emoji A Peach.

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Speaker 3: December thirty's evening Peach the beginning Wanda Huts. On June

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth evening Peach twenty second afternoon picked up the

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Speaker 1: The details of she's personal life are pretty juicy, but

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Speaker 1: what's even more incredible is that this spy meticulously documents

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Speaker 3: March fourteen, sixth bureau meets. January twenty fourth, held banquet

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Speaker 3: with comrades of Aerospace team. November twenty fifth, worked overtime

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Speaker 3: until two thirty eight, and Many thirteenth Pawnee comedian meeting.

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Speaker 3: You're eleventh Matt G. Chowtree, March thirty first, Aviation briefing

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Speaker 3: August to twenty fourth. My official promotion came. Waited for

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Speaker 1: It's normal enough to keep a diary, but shees recording

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Speaker 1: things that are supposed to be secret, deniable things about

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Speaker 1: his job and how he does it. It's an actual

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Speaker 2: It from Bloomberg News and iHeart Podcast. This is the

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Speaker 2: sixth Bureau.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Robertson and I'm Drake Bennett.

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Speaker 2: As by agencies go. China's Ministry of State Security is unique.

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Speaker 2: First of all, it's massive. Estimates we've heard put it

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Speaker 2: the FBI and the CIA combined, and it has an

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Speaker 2: additional job. But those agencies don't industrial espionage stealing stuff

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Speaker 6: It wasn't just military information, it wasn't just US political information.

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Speaker 6: They wanted trade secrets, they wanted everything.

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Speaker 2: This is Matthew Mackenzie, a federal prosecutor on the shoecase.

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Speaker 6: Everyone does espionage, but not every country uses their intelligence

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Speaker 6: apparatus to steal commercial trade secrets. That is beyond the norms.

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Speaker 1: Technically, this is correct. The CIA and FBI don't steal

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Speaker 1: trade secrets, but the US government does have a history

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Speaker 1: of it. In the late seventeen hundred, right after independence,

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Speaker 1: loom designs from British cotton mills. Those mills had been

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Speaker 1: built thanks to plans stolen from Italian silk spinners, an

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Speaker 1: industry that Italians essentially stole from China centuries before. Fast

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Speaker 1: forward to the nineteen nineties. China's economy is still recovering

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Speaker 1: from the devastation of the Cultural Revolution, and the ruling

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Speaker 1: Communist Party decides reasonably enough that they need to do

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Speaker 1: whatever they can to catch up. Within a decade, China

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Speaker 1: CCP codifies this ambition in a strategic plan called Made

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Speaker 1: in China twenty twenty five, which is exactly what it

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Speaker 1: sounds like, China making its own critical technologies and no

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Speaker 1: longer relying on Western products. That policy and commitment largely worked. Today,

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Speaker 1: it's safe to set they've caught up in many of

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Speaker 2: But one key area where they haven't is aerospace, building

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Speaker 2: to buy. That's where the MSS comes in. In particular

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Speaker 2: one of its divisions, the sixth Bureau. Chu Yan June

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Speaker 2: worked there on a team tasks with stealing the secrets

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Speaker 2: of the world's top aviation companies.

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Speaker 6: Everything in China is a top down approach, right. It

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Speaker 6: buying from Boeing and stop buying from goe We're going

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Speaker 6: to make our own domestic product.

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Speaker 2: And Shu yan June's job is to work with engineers

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Speaker 2: from China's state owned aerospace companies and get them exactly what.

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Speaker 6: They need because they're the ones who are actually trying

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Speaker 6: to build the plane.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to a recording that Shoe secretly made

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 6: My favorite part of the entire case.

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Speaker 1: He's recording a talk by a man named Arthur Gao.

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Speaker 1: This is the engine power.

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Speaker 7: Therefore you have to do the power interrupt tests and

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Speaker 1: Arthur Goo was an engineer at the American company Honeywell.

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Speaker 1: He worked on advanced technologies for both civilian and military aircraft.

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Speaker 7: For control systems of helicopters, there are two very important issues.

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Speaker 7: One is a rotodynamics, you have to take it into account.

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Speaker 1: Arthur is originally from Taiwan, and he came to the

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Speaker 1: eventually wound up at Honeywell in Phoenix. He's been invited

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Speaker 1: to a university to give his talk. He was brought

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Speaker 6: Arthur thinks he's talking to all of these academics and

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Speaker 1: They are MSS officers posing as people who work in

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Speaker 1: state owned aerospace conglomerate AVIK, there to learn what they

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Speaker 1: can from Arthur about his work at Honeywell.

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Speaker 4: In particular the combat aircraft systems that Honeywell builds for

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Speaker 7: These are all military standards.

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Speaker 1: They have very detailed regulation. Arthur talks to the group

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Speaker 1: for about three hours.

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Speaker 4: And At the conclusion of his presentation.

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Speaker 1: FBI agent Bradley Hall, Shoe.

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Speaker 4: Engineer, thanks him. They go through all the niceties and

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Speaker 4: then they ask Arthur to step out of the room.

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Speaker 3: Tuj Gal, maybe you can't head back first, Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 1: Arthur walks out of the room, leaving Shoe and the

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Speaker 1: engineers alone. But the tape keeps rolling, and there's this

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Speaker 1: amazing kind of easter egg. You know that narrative convention

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Speaker 1: some new character shows up and someone else has to

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Speaker 1: explain to them, and by extension you the audience how

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Speaker 1: everything works and who everyone is. Think Peggy Olsen's first

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Speaker 3: Now, this is the executive floor.

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Speaker 5: It should be organized, but it's not.

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Speaker 4: So you'll find account executives and creative.

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Speaker 3: Executives all mixed together.

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Speaker 3: Great, Hopefully you follow my lead.

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Speaker 1: What we hear next on the recording is exactly that

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Speaker 1: for Shoe's world. You hear someone take a sip of

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Speaker 1: You hear the door close behind Arthur, and then she

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Speaker 4: She and June starts describing how the MSS recruits Western experts,

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Speaker 4: how they operate them, and how they found Arthur so

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Speaker 4: that he could teach them about what the Americans were

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Speaker 2: She wants to know how the engineers think Arthur will

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Speaker 2: be most useful to them, what kind of source he

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Speaker 2: may be, So he lays out the different types of

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Speaker 2: sources he brings in like a taxonomy of spies. Let's

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Speaker 2: say he walks them through it.

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Speaker 3: There are a few aspects to all collaborations.

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Speaker 4: He actually has what he calls four levels of expert participation.

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Speaker 4: The first level are high ranking experts.

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Speaker 3: This expert is ranked highly and is reliable. The expert

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Speaker 3: can directly participate in the design of the project.

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Speaker 4: These are folks who have direct involvement in design both

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Speaker 4: in the West and in Chinese systems. They have access

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Speaker 4: to class out information in China and their long term

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Speaker 4: sources as in These are the people that they keep

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Speaker 4: on the books for fifteen twenty years and they call

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Speaker 3: This is our highest level of collaboration.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the stories you hear about China. Stealing

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Speaker 2: trade secrets involve hacking, breaking into computer systems, but spying's

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Speaker 2: ultimately about something way more ordinary, cultivating relationships or using people.

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Speaker 9: They invite people over under some kind of innocent sounding pretext.

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Speaker 2: This is James Olsen.

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Speaker 9: We'd like to invite you to China to give a

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Speaker 9: a get acquainted a session, and we will compensate to

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Speaker 9: you for that. There will be a stipend and we

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Speaker 9: will cover all your expenses. And most people fall for it.

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Speaker 9: People fear the MSS. Generally, they will put that in

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly why Arthur Gou did what he did.

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Speaker 2: So the invitations from NUAA kept coming, and Arthur gou

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Speaker 2: He mentions things about Arthur's personal life that only a

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Speaker 5: I heard that you had a son recently. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: He wishes Arthur's family a happy New Year, stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: Two years later, in twenty sixteen, John nudges him again.

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Speaker 1: This time Arthur caves. He tells Joe that he does

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Speaker 1: this only made him more useful. It meant he could

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Speaker 3: He said, he may retire in two years or so.

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Speaker 3: He also wants to write he has the ability, he

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Speaker 2: Arthur Goud. He was the longest running assets in the case.

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Speaker 4: Both the long term nature of the operation and then

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Speaker 4: Bradley Hall with Arthur's example, when he did choose to disclose,

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Speaker 4: he disclosed things that could hurt us. The helicopter that

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Speaker 4: there's no reason that the Chinese government needs to know

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Arthur Goo was indicted and pled

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Speaker 1: sentenced to three years probation in order to pay a fine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to Shoo's taxonomy of the types of sources he recruits.

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Speaker 1: Level one is kind of like having someone who works

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Speaker 4: These are folks who examine specific models, they solve problems.

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Speaker 3: If we have specific questions, we can't ask them. For instance,

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Speaker 1: Level three that's even less of a commitment.

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Speaker 4: The third level he called topical experts. These are individuals

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Speaker 3: This is something we've done quite a lot in the past.

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Speaker 1: Arthur Goo was probably a level three. So is a

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Speaker 3: April twentieth afternoon, pick up Lee from train station, check

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Speaker 1: We don't know that much about Lee Jong, but we

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Speaker 1: Hue and Jah Rong host a banquet in his honor.

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Speaker 4: There's a level of rapport building. There's a level of

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Speaker 2: About rapport building. During the banquet, Shoe's colleagues sneak into

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Speaker 2: but they run into problems and they can't get everything

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Speaker 3: December seventh, d Jones coming to Nanjing entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Shoe brings lead to the hotel. Lee drops his stuff

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Speaker 5: I'm in the private room and the dishes have been order.

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Speaker 2: Then Shoe and another colleague go to Lee's room to

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Speaker 10: Boss laptop but you're seeing sleepmoat one partable hot drive

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Speaker 2: The hack is taking longer than expected, and his boss

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Speaker 5: It's too slow.

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Speaker 2: Spit it up fifteen minutes later.

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Speaker 10: If it doesn't work, copy it with your own computer.

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Speaker 2: Now it's eight thirty nine pm. The operation has been

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Speaker 10: The copying will more or less be done in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 10: Restoring the scene and documents who will take roughly twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Hurry up, hurry up, because remember, Shoe's boss Jah Wrong

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Speaker 10: Finally, the cabbing is completed, restoring is in progress.

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Speaker 2: After two hours and twenty two minutes, Shoe's.

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Speaker 10: Done restored, exiting.

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Speaker 4: You can let him toddle back up to his room.

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Speaker 4: At this point.

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Speaker 2: The next day, Lee gives his talk totally clueless. He's

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Speaker 1: The fourth and final level of Shoes experts are called spotters.

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Speaker 4: So these are people that we have living in the

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Speaker 1: These people are crucial for Shoe because they live in

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Speaker 1: Shoe to go. Gi Chao Chun, the guy who was

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Speaker 1: secretly recorded by the FBI in Chicago, G was a spotter.

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Speaker 1: G was first approached by the MSS back in Beijing.

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Speaker 5: He indicated that they wanted to train me to do

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Speaker 1: G was a perfect candidate for the sixth Bureau. He

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Speaker 9: His job was to provide background information and hopefully some

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Speaker 1: Former CIA Chief of Counterintelligence James Olsen.

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Speaker 9: He was fired up. He really wanted to do this.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of fun being a sply.

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Speaker 1: And G had fun, a little too much fun. In

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Speaker 1: who's now his handler.

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Speaker 5: Hucker, are you even there to photograph this? Photograph this?

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Speaker 5: Sneakily delete after you see it.

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Speaker 1: Then G eventually gets down to business in his own way.

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00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: Fuck you ask around for me. Your school does anyone

447
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Speaker 5: study engines or aircraft design? Yes, that's the major. I'ming

448
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 5: help me out and befriend people in the field. When

449
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Speaker 5: does spring break start? I'll give you funds for asshole.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, halfway half to like him, you know. He flashed

451
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Speaker 9: the money around. He bragged about what he was doing.

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Speaker 9: He loved being kind of a boy.

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Speaker 5: Spy, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he was, a boy spy. I mean,

455
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: imagine being fresh out of college and doing this job.

456
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: You might act a little reckless too. And when you

457
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Speaker 2: look at gez texts from around this time, you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh right, he is still a kid. Take these messages

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Speaker 2: with his dad.

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Speaker 5: Dad is good c cucumber available now?

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Speaker 2: Asking him for advice at the market.

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00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 8: Only dried ones in this season. Good wines are available

463
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Speaker 8: all the time, but no fresh ones in this season.

464
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 8: Do the dry ones?

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00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 5: The last updating him on his travel through customs. Got it.

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Speaker 8: Put away your belongings, put on your slippers, and take

467
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 8: a nice rest after you bought the plan, baby, do

468
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 8: your best.

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00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: And and the money he gets from the MSS I received.

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Speaker 8: Six thousand, that is good. Stay safe, be vigilant, Try

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Speaker 8: to understand others' agenda when you interact. Be grateful in

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Speaker 8: US dollars, not remen b.

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Speaker 2: These texts with his dad are all in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: A year later, Ji gets another text from Shoe, are

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Speaker 2: you there?

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Speaker 10: I have a favorite to ask.

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00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: I'm here. Please go ahead, brother, Shoe.

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00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 10: Here are three websites look up with these people separately.

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00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: These people being engineers at Boeing, Lockey, Martin, Nasa, and Ge,

480
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Speaker 2: all of whom were born in either China or Taiwan,

481
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: and we're working in the US. She wants background checks

482
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: on them, home addresses, phone numbers, who they're married to,

483
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: sensitive stuff.

484
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: A fee is required for the search, and he needs

485
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: to be paid using a foreign visa card.

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00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll give it a try.

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00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: A week later, G sends you the background checks he

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00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: bought on the internet. He puts a password on the file,

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Speaker 2: zips it, and gives it a cheeky code name Midterm

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Speaker 2: Exam Paper.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, these background checks, they're a small job for a

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Speaker 1: rookie For now. G's pretty low down in shoes taxonomy,

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00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: but it seems like he's trying to rise through the

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00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: ranks and make himself more valuable to the MSS. After

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00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: he completes grad school, G enlists in the US Army

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00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: as a fast track to get American citizenship and a

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Speaker 1: security clearance. So he may be young and reckless, but

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00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: he's also pretty strategic. He has potential. The MSS is

499
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: in the business of making bets. Some are big bets,

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Speaker 1: like grooming engineers working abroad over the course of decades.

501
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Some are quite small, like giving a twenty something a

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Speaker 1: bunch of cash and sending him out into the world

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: to see where he ends up. But together, if enough

504
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: of these bets pay off, they add up to something

505
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: much bigger, a more powerful China, which is ultimately shoot

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00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: Young June's mission. Near the end of the recording, after

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00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: he's gone through his taxonomy with the Chinese engineers, he

508
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: brings it back to what this is all really about.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, we're all serving the state.

510
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: We're all serving the state, right everyone, we all share

511
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Speaker 3: the same go.

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Speaker 6: That recording was almost dumb luck. I cannot believe they

513
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Speaker 6: didn't turn that recording off before they dropped their pretenses.

514
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 6: It really shines the spotlight on Chinese tradecraft.

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00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Shoe and the engineers. Is Boss joh wrong? Even the

516
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: sources he's handling, g Chao Chun, Arthur Goo, Lee Giong.

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: They're cogs in this giant machine. The talks at n Uaa,

518
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: the hacking, the carrots, the sticks, the cash. This is

519
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: what that machine looks like from the inside. So yeah,

520
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: she is this cog, but this is also his life.

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00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: And in the days after he records this meeting, he

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Speaker 2: decides to take on a high risk, high reward operation,

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Speaker 2: one that will completely upend his life and disrupt the

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Speaker 2: machine for years to come.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode, what about spy so vice.

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Speaker 2: There's no question, there's no question, you know, and it's John.

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00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Reject AMW received today. An ungrateful person like him has

528
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: no shame. I would have my revenge.

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Speaker 4: He would have an amazing case and get a beautiful

530
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: end of the year review and then be crushed a

531
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Speaker 4: week later because a decimal point was wrong on a receipt.

532
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 4: So that that yo yoing between your great and you're

533
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: terrible clearly was having an impact on his state of mind.

534
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 9: When Chiu saw Jang's LinkedIn profile, he said, Bingo Jack

535
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 9: bought exactly what they want, and I'm going to go

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Speaker 9: get it,