WEBVTT - Cryptozoology: Show Notes 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.320 From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:08.000 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.560 learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everybody, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.280 Welcome back to stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.400 The audio podcast on Ben Bolan and I'm met Frederick 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.560 and that today we are going to actually, you know 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:32.160 what a little segue at one yeah segway. All right, So, um, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.400 you're familiar with Florida. I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.960 Uh the state. Okay, so yes, I know I know 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.200 where you're talking about. Now, I'm just messing with you, man. Yeah, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.559 So in Florida when I was a wee young type, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.040 it's in the northern Florida swamps, the Panhandle swamps. And 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.680 I was on my camping trip and I swear, man, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:02.960 I saw really free ish looking animal. It was right 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:10.120 around twilight, and uh, I was camped out. We could 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:15.000 see we could see through the through the trees, through 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.880 the canopy, something moving under the under the water, and 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.840 uh yeah, and so I assume something like, oh wow, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.440 that's so cool. Maybe it's an alligator, you know, and 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.319 uh later come to find out as we were heading 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.480 back home one of the locals in the area told 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.039 me that that was not any normal alligator, but it 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.800 was actually a giant lizard of an unknown variety. Yeah, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:49.840 it was, in other words, a crypted a cryptid, a 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:55.160 cryptid which brings us to cryptozoology. Now, let me go 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.080 ahead and just say that I think the old guy 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.720 who was telling us that was just messing with us 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.520 since we were kids. Sure, I don't think it was 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:09.800 an extraordinary animal, but were I a crypto zoologist, I 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:15.560 would probably go back and investigate that because cryptozoology is 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.639 the very, very controversial study of animals that are rumored 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.680 but not proven to exist. This is true, and that's 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.480 what we're talking about today. And so what like, what's 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.160 an example of a cryptid. Well, one of the best 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.720 cryptids that comes to mind, probably the most well known. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.160 It has a lot of different names, but it's the 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:45.040 sasquatch slash YETI slash, Bigfoot slash abominable snowman flash. Yeah, yes, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.480 that's right, And we covered this actually at a live show. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.960 We didn't for some kids. The the quest for Bigfoot 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.360 has gone on for such a long time, and the 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:03.440 archetype of this hairy half man half animal thing dates 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:08.240 back into antiquity, into prehistory, the wild Man, the wild 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.040 Man of Bora Bora and all that stuff. Yeah. The 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.360 the thing is that Bigfoot, as we refer to it 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.320 on Facebook page, either doesn't exist or is the world's 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.080 reigning hide and Seek champion. Yes, because no one yet 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:27.120 has found uncontested, inarguable proof of Bigfoot. Now, there are 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.680 a lot of conjectures about why this hasn't happened, chief 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.720 of which is that maybe Bigfoot doesn't exist. Maybe it's 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.120 just a series of misidentifications. You know, people who have 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.520 never seen a bear before see a bear standing on 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:46.160 two ft um. Maybe maybe, or maybe this creature has 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.880 uh intelligence such that it's able to evade people, which 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.720 is very very I'm just gonna say improbable. Or my 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:00.640 favorite idea, yeah, that it's a multidimensional extraterrestrial. I was 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.920 wondering when you were going to mention that that's the 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.040 that's the documentary in Search of Bigfoot, right, Yeah, where 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.920 one of the where one of the hunters proposes that idea. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.640 So when we talk about cryptozoology, the most popular cryptids, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.760 which are these hidden animals quote unquote, are gonna be 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:25.719 creatures like Bigfoot. Yeah, or lockness, monster, sure, um or chupacapa. Ah, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.720 that's a deep cut man, I hope, I said that, right, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.960 Yeah you did um or. We're both mispronouncing it. But 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.400 so cryptozoology at heart comes from the Greek. It just 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.960 means hidden animals, literally, the study of hidden animals. Now, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.520 we said that cryptozoology is uh controversial, but let's talk 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.719 about where it comes from. Because people can't quite agree 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.080 on where the name comes from, right, They attribute it 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.200 often to a zoologists named Oh, here we go, Bernard 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:04.320 hooval Owns, who also attributes it to someone else, and 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.680 that is a Scottish person named Ivan T. Sanderson. But 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.000 you know, regardless of where the term derives from, the 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.400 point is that this quest for hidden animals is often 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:23.560 not treated well or regarded kindly by a fringe, an 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.640 area of study that isn't necessarily uh legitimate in the 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:33.719 eyes of a lot of scientists, yeah, especially zoologists, mostly zoologists. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.600 And so while we're doing this podcast, what we'll do 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.919 is we'll talk a little bit about different types of 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.680 cryptids that are alleged to exist, and we'll talk about 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.360 why cryptozoology has often been called a pseudoscience. And then 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.440 you know, what men. I think we should close with 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.520 some surprising stories of cryptozoology. Awesome, Let's let's do that. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.600 Before we get into all of that, can I just 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.719 tell a quick little story as well? Do you have 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.559 a cryptozoology story. It's not necessarily a crypto zoology story. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.240 It's just kind of the origin of why I'm interested 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:09.839 in these kind of things, and I think a lot 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.320 of people might actually relate to it and then cool. So, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.159 as a young lad in middle school, I used to 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.599 watch X Files with my dad. It was my favorite 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.880 show ever, and it would freak me out and I 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.599 loved it. It really piqued my interest. One of the 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.839 episodes that really got me into cryptozoology, or at least 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.880 looking at longness, monster and big Foot in those kind 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:35.039 of things, was one called The Host. Now this is 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.880 season two, episode two, and you might remember it. It's 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:45.679 a creepy white monster that's half human half flukewarm flukeworm, 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.279 and it lived in the sewers and it would suck 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.760 on you and inject you with flukeworms. It was one 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.160 of the grossest things and creepiest things I've ever seen. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.120 I would go to the bathroom and imagine it inside 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.440 the toilet. I would walk by the sewers in my 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.599 neighborhood and just run past them, or I would not 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.880 take my eyes off of them, and it really just 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.400 got me into it. Yeah, that that, and that's one 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.640 of my favorite episodes to actually and what happens with 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.920 the host. I think the host comes from the creature 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.920 and the host is born out of a mutation because 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:23.000 of in exposure radiation exact and uh, that is still, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.720 for my money, one of my favorite X Files monsters 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.200 um up there with Remember the guy who appeared to 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.720 be human but he was functionally immortal and he would 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:38.200 eat people's livers hide out for years. Oh man, X 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.240 Files didn't That was certainly off track. No, No, that's 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.760 that's a great point because I think it's important to 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.640 understand why someone would delve into a field like this 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.800 with um so much contempt that happens. For instance, if 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.400 you want to become a cryptozoologist, you are in tough 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.440 luck for for a lot of reasons, one of which 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:11.800 is that there's no formal, universally accredited cryptozoology degree or course, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.880 so people claiming to be cryptozoologists are often self appointed, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.920 which is always going to should always set off a 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.800 yellow flag whenever you I'm not gonna say a red flag, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.000 but you guys know, whenever you hear somebody appoint themselves 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.080 the authority on something, it's almost orange, I would say 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.480 it is. It is almost orange. It's deep, it's deep orange. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.640 But the the truth of the matter is that people 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:47.480 who dismiss cryptozoology don't dismiss it because of the idea 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.480 of hidden animals. As a matter of fact, we know 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.720 that there are millions of undiscovered species in the world, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.240 and a lot of them are going to die before 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.920 humans ever cataloged them. Right, we'll find the bones, la, Yes, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.800 we will find the bones later, if they're large enough 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.319 to have bones. However, the criticisms come mainly from this 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:16.240 idea that cryptozoologists are pseudo scientists practicing uh epic confirmation bias, right, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.320 like the it's never acceptable that maybe the animal we're 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.600 looking for, maybe the locknut monster, simply doesn't exist. Um. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.800 And it's really tough to get evidence of these kind 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.959 of things, at least evidence that we can look at 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:39.320 and say this is no questions xcrypted, because especially now 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.840 that that video editing technology is at the point where 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.080 it's at where you can pretty much fake almost anything 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.520 on video, and it's it's extremely difficult for someone to 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.440 to to convince me at least. And we're talking about cryptics. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:58.360 We're not just talking about legendary creatures like unicorns, dragons 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:03.320 or manticors. Uh. And there's a multipart definition that you 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.839 and I found that we really like. Right, Yeah, this 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.640 this is kind of long. Uh. And here we go 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.880 extant and known living species which are unrecognized as living 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.839 in a particular area. Okay, so that would be an 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.880 animal that we already know, just in a different range, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.360 so out of his comfort zone. Yes. So like we 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.800 we find persian leopards in Maine for some reason, that 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.880 would make them cryptids absolutely. And number two known in 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.640 living species whose form, color, and size is extraordinary for 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:39.480 the species. Think about giant anacondas or spotted lions, yeah right, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.160 or the creatures that have island dwarfism, you know, tiny 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.800 elephants Homo flornzis kidding because that counts as a hominid. Absolutely. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.040 And number three is a known species thought to be 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:59.160 extinct within historical times. And yes, the Ceila cant which 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:06.240 was considered extinct and prehistoric by Western experts. Of course, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.000 the people who live in the Ceili Cants native range 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.760 were always used to this just tremendously ugly fish, and uh, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.800 Western explorers found it again and it was rediscovered. It 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.400 is a cryptid success story, Yes it is. And number 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:26.000 four presumably extinct species not in fossil form, known only 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.720 from limited evidence feathers, skin, bones, or but without a 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.800 complete specimen. Okay, alright, so that's something where we can 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.600 attempt to put together clues, like trying to put together 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.320 puzzle without all the pieces. Exactly. I don't know that 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.800 I have a good example for that, though. Um. A 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:49.520 good example for that might be uh, dinosaurs that were 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.520 originally believed to be all the same species, but then 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:58.840 they found different species or subspecies. Excellent. Now number five 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.960 we've got new species. He's known by anecdotal evidence while 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.640 no organic evidence exists. Yes, and here is where this 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.000 one is important, because here's where we get the majority 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.920 of what people think of when they think of cryptos 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.920 right exactly. One of my favorites is the Mongolian blood worm. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.800 Oh that sounds horrible. Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty gross. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.120 Uh So, the Mongolian blood worm apparently lives in the 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:29.079 deserts of Mongolia and possibly Central Asia, and that this creature, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:34.479 anecdotally speaking, is a pretty rough customer. It has the 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.319 ability to either shock or poison people, and it can 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.400 be two ft long. It's red. Uh lives under the 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.520 sand or under the ground. And there was an expedition 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.840 to attempt to find this creature on some number of 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.440 years ago. Now that expedition, as far as I know, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:01.160 was unsuccessful. That's my favorite. But of course this category anecdotal, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.080 no hard evidence. This category is where we find pretty 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.480 much everything. Yeah, and a lot of my favorite ones, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:12.840 like the thunderbird. What's the third the thunderbird is it's awesome. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.559 There are a lot of Native American tales about this thing. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.560 It's a giant bird. And let's see according to Mark A. Hall, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:25.079 who is an investigator self appointed investigator of the thunderbird 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.400 and uh so, the best average he has is a 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.520 wingspan of fifteen to twenty feet and a height of 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.640 four to eight feet. And there's this great tail. It's again, 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.040 it's kind of just an anecdotal tail of these kids 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.120 in nineteen seventy seven in Lawndale, Illinois, where there's three 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.839 kids playing in the backyard. Two giant birds come by 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.640 and one of them tries to pick up one of 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.240 the kids, and it allegedly carries him at about a 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.840 height of two feet off the ground for thirty yards. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.600 But again, it's kind of just a story that people 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.000 talk about and there's not a lot of evidence there. See, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.600 this is where I want to go on a little 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.000 bit of a soapbox. All right, So, Matt, we know 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.600 that specie that they are undiscovered species, right, We've admitted 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.920 that that's out in the open, that badger is out 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.880 of the bag, But we haven't mentioned that species are 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.640 being discovered every day at an unprecedented rate, which is true, right, Yeah, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.840 it's absolutely true. And so what we have to do 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.120 is attribute this to a couple of factors. One, human 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.280 beings are encroaching and formally wild habitats. Now I'm not 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.480 I'm not taking any sort of preachy stance on this. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.040 That's just the fact that is occurring. And so it's 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.800 more likely than ever before that we will find things 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.120 like that huge enclave of mountain gorillas or where they 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.560 lowland guerrillas. Yeah, so it's much more likely that we'll 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.920 find these animals and uh, it's much less likely that 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.280 they will evade detect action. However, it's also important for 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.480 us to note that if we're if we're talking about 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:14.360 finding new undiscovered animals, it's not automatically impossible. It's not 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:19.560 automatically some sort of thing that should be dismissed. Cryptozoology, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.000 I think gets a bit of a bad name, because again, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.640 there's not really a hierarchy in place for people to 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.400 have to earn their way up or earn their expertise. Now, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.400 I'm also not saying anything bad about the people who 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.200 are self appointed or self taught cryptozoologists, but I do 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.840 think that it does a disservice to humanity as a whole. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.040 If we pretend that the search for new forms of 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.080 life is somehow inherently dumb, it's it's clearly not. There 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:55.000 have been so many actual species discovered, like the Komodo 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.360 dragon until nine may as well have been a unicorn. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.320 It was discovered, and it's turns out that, yeah, a 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.720 lot of the stuff people say about it is true. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.800 It is cannibalistic, it will eat you, it's monstrous, and 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.000 we know that about the Seela. Can't we know that? 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.000 We know that the world is full of undiscovered animals. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.240 We know that the world is full of places where 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.680 human beings have not yet tread, the vast majority of 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.800 those being underwater. But what I think we will find 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:32.480 as human populations expand is that we're going to continue 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:39.040 discovering more and more species that were formally anecdotal, formilia legendary. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:44.120 Can we talk about our dinosaur episode, Yeah, Living Dinosaurs. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.720 That's one of the first ones, probably the first ten 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.280 or even less that we produced, and that one looks 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.240 at actually number seven, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.680 the list On this list, Number seven is a new 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.200 species known only to indigenous or ever original people's were 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.320 discovered entirely by excident, and the first part of that 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.320 is the most important the indigenous peoples. So let's go 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:16.120 back to mokley bimbi uh. It's essentially a dinosaur, yeah, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.920 and alleged dinosaur that lives. I don't know exactly where. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.359 I'm not recalling them in the wilds of western Africa. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.840 Apparently in the in a forest that few people have 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.840 ventured into. It's also alternately known as like the Wrongo Wrongo. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.200 I think I'm mispronouncing some of this, and I do apologize, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:44.879 but here's the idea. A quadruped large reptile that, based 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.159 on the description, looks like a dinosaur. The locals swear 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.960 it's there. The locals are not impressed by it. They 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.679 they have said that perhaps, uh, that these creatures are 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.520 increasingly rare these days. UM, when we were doing a 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:06.280 presentation on cryptozoology, we had the good luck to meet, um, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.040 a very interesting guy who was an animal handler, and 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.920 he helped us out with a spot nosed gwen in 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.399 named Gwen. It's a kind of small monkey. And um 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.159 we also got to talking about cryptids and he fully 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.000 believes that there could be a large undiscovered reptile in 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.199 that part of Africa. Now he was careful not to 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:33.679 say a dinosaur exactly, but this, UM, this was an 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.240 exciting thing for us to look at because that area 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:42.560 of the world has not been um exhaustively explored by scientists. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.200 It's just really expensive to venture out to that part 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.080 of the world. And we see this again and again 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:53.320 with cryptozoology attempts at expeditions. Right, No, no one's going 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.040 to or no academic source is going to fund a 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:04.040 cryptozoological expedition. They might fund and anthropological expedition where you say, Okay, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:08.000 a bunch of these people believe in the Ghetti. So 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:13.120 let's go to this himalayan Um area and see why 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.440 these people believe in the yetty and what they say 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.879 about it and what it means about their social group. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:24.040 You know what I'm realizing ben zoology needs most most 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:30.120 of all and retiring older billionaire via Let's think about 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.119 Indiana Jones. Yeah, someone who just goes out and explores 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.120 and has billions of dollars to spend. That's what we need. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.320 We need a batman for cryptozoology. Yeah, we needed Brandson. Yeah, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.320 we need Bill Gates because I think then man, we 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.320 find them all you think so that uh they're the 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.280 new Pokemon. But uh, let's see there there are other 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.480 creatures that have been discovered. You know, I guess we've 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.760 done an okay, look at cryptozoology one oh one? Right, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.399 all right, so I don't really have anything to add 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.560 before we get to the best part of this story, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.920 which we teased earlier. Cryptids that were actually discovered. Um, 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:16.080 we mentioned the cela, can't we did? What's what's another one? Well, 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.880 how about the giant squid or the colossal squid? Oh? Yes, now, 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.040 we'll all we surely all remember the stories of sea 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.280 serpents and leviathans, things that were big enough to eat 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.960 a ship. And uh, we knew we, being the human species, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.960 done you and I particularly met we as a species 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.800 knew that it was possible for a squid to grow 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.560 or cephalopod like that, to grow um to an unknown size. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.159 But it had always been kind of a legend, at 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:55.520 least until it was discovered, uh, photographed alive in two 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.800 thousand four. And also there have been physical samples of 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.560 these creatures found, going back to your earlier point about photoshop. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.879 And then let's see, there was also what was the 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.040 name of that monkey that has no nose? That's a 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:18.359 freaky thing. All right, Well that's fine because we've also, 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.560 let's noted the commotive dragon. Uh, there's something that was 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.280 described as the devil bird, and the devil bird turned 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.320 out to be the spot bellied eagle owl. And so, 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.439 as you know, the names get a little bit less fantastical, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:37.200 um once they're actually discovered. Um. Then there was something 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:44.280 called the copy copy, which was discovered in nineteen o one. Now, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.000 of course, we we have to also say when these 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.639 things are discovered quote unquote, it's a hard finger quotes 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.399 they're discovered. Uh. Usually the locals have known about these 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.159 for years and years and years, and it's just the 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:01.440 first person who historically is from the west who sees 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:07.880 it gets counted as discovery of the discoverer. And um oh, 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.399 giant cats also are huge. People believe that they're giant 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:17.560 cats that roam. How big are we talking lions size? Maybe? Uh, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.720 there are quite a few reports of giant cats in 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.560 the United Kingdom and in some places like in the 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.240 Middle East, Central Asia. There when they're isolated reports of 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.919 these cats. It's interesting because you know, once upon a 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.000 time that was the natural range of some large feelines. 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.359 But we don't at this point have solid proof of those. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.720 What we do have, however, are a couple of interesting 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.639 things here. We know that a these creatures, creatures that 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.800 were once thought legendary, have been discovered. Right. We know 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:55.160 that we know that be zoology itself and anthropology are 0:22:55.280 --> 0:23:00.760 legitimate sciences. Um. We know that c it's inordinately expensive 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:05.400 to travel to these remote hinter lands and spend months 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.679 scouring for some animal that may or may not exist. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.320 It may just be like um, like a snipe hunt. 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.200 You know, it's a dangerous proposition. I think it might 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.840 take an eccentric billionaire Bruce Wayne. As you said, Man, 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.280 I'm telling you we need that man. And uh, if 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.400 you guys, if you guys want to know more information 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.439 about any of this stuff, we we did a Cryptic 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.000 week not too long ago. Go back on our YouTube 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.560 page and watch all of those if you want there. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.399 They're pretty great. It will really get the imagination going. Yes, 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:38.320 and I wanted to, you know, always want to end 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.960 with us asking each other some questions. Matt, do you 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.879 think that any of them, any of the cryptids that 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.200 are talked about nowadays, do you think there's a case 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.119 to be said for any of them actually existing. Oh 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.159 that's a tough one for me. I I want to 0:23:56.200 --> 0:24:01.200 believe nice, but I I don't think that I can 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.960 right now. The biggest one I would say, if I 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.560 had to make a complete conjecture, I would say a 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:12.560 large reptile that we maybe haven't really seen in a 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.639 in a jungle where indigenous people. If I would, I 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:20.399 could believe that more than probably anything else. Yeah. You know, 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.479 as a kid, I loved the idea of the Lockness monster, 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:27.040 But it never really made sense to me. Um, you know, 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.479 there's there's a neat exercise that you can do with 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:34.399 with conjecture for for the living space of an animal, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.479 Like if you if you think about how much an 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.880 animal would weigh, what kind of food it would eat, 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.440 how much of that food it would need then, and 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.760 then where that food grows and what the distribution of 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.879 that food is, then you can kind of find a range. 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.159 But um, the idea of the Lockness Monster as a 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:56.600 pleas asaur different from a dinosaur, I promise, Uh, the 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.679 the idea there just didn't stack up. And it was 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:00.960 kind of a sad dave for me growing up to 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.399 admit that I don't think that there's any proof that 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.080 the Lockness Monster is anything but a hoax. It's like 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.399 Santa Claus. I'm not that Santa Claus doesn't exist. My 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.760 new night spoiler alert, My new Santa Claus in this 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:18.000 conversation is the Mongolian blood worm. I really wanted to uh, 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.399 I really want it to be real. Really, it's so 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:25.960 just nightmarish. Yeah, but we could learn so many amazing 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.400 things from a creature like that. I don't I don't 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.520 want to have one as a pet. I just want 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.120 I want the uh, the experience of figuring out what 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.840 it is and how it works. That would be a 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.160 great supervillain pet. That is a great supervillain pet. Yeah, 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:43.200 forget cats. Yeah, that's what we have, stroking Mongolian blood worm. 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:45.399 All right, So that's it for us. We hope you 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.560 guys have enjoyed our episode on cryptozoology. Again, this is 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.000 just sort of an introduction and we would like to 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.720 return to this maybe in the future on specific cryptids. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.800 What do you think, man, absolutely there, we can dig 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.280 deep into some of this stuff. Yeah, so let us 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:05.160 know what you think. Please check us out on the 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.400 internets and tell us what kind of cryptods you think 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:15.000 are a completely made up, be completely legit um and 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.199 where can they find us? Men? 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