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Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: The audio podcast on Ben Bolan and I'm met Frederick

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Speaker 1: and that today we are going to actually, you know

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Speaker 1: what a little segue at one yeah segway. All right, So, um,

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Speaker 1: you're familiar with Florida. I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Uh the state. Okay, so yes, I know I know

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Speaker 1: where you're talking about. Now, I'm just messing with you, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So in Florida when I was a wee young type,

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Speaker 1: it was, in other words, a crypted a cryptid, a

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Speaker 1: cryptid which brings us to cryptozoology. Now, let me go

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about today. And so what like, what's

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Speaker 1: an example of a cryptid. Well, one of the best

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Speaker 1: It has a lot of different names, but it's the

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Speaker 1: sasquatch slash YETI slash, Bigfoot slash abominable snowman flash. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right, And we covered this actually at a live show.

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Speaker 1: We didn't for some kids. The the quest for Bigfoot

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Speaker 1: that's the documentary in Search of Bigfoot, right, Yeah, where

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