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Speaker 2: Episode four forty one, Mark Miller of Sawyer Brown. As

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Speaker 2: you'll see, there is no Sawyer Brown. That's not a person.

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Speaker 3: Do you know that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yeah. And Sawyer Brown is the

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Speaker 2: That's their band. But Mark Miller is the lead singer.

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Speaker 2: Man love the Guy. Uh, some of the songs and

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Speaker 2: And if you're asking yourself, why is Bobby singing them

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Speaker 2: or we get sued. Or how about I want to

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Speaker 2: thing Mama for the cooking, Daddy for the whooping the

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Speaker 2: number one Thank God for you. He's got a fortieth

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Speaker 2: We talked about that and they're all over in twenty

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Speaker 2: Miller of Sawyer Brown, I left this interview going like,

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Speaker 2: I looked up to them when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: Mark Miller, I saw Your Brown. By the way, we'll

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Speaker 2: It's a tour this week. All right, here you go,

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Speaker 2: it is the Bobby Cast. Mark. I'm a big fan,

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Speaker 2: you know. Let me just say for five seconds, I'm

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Speaker 2: But I just love you, love you guys, So all that, Eddie,

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Speaker 4: And this is kind of embarrassing, Mark, but whenever I

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Speaker 2: Just because, like, your voice is so cool to me,

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Speaker 3: So Mark, you're in Sawyer Brown. Does everybody think you're

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Speaker 3: You're not Sawyer.

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Speaker 2: When you name yourself saw your Brown after a person

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Speaker 1: I did an interview last week with with someone new

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Speaker 2: and it's a memoir that you wrote about the band

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Speaker 4: Wow, our buddy Larry Bird, but not your buddy.

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Speaker 3: So Mark, you know, Eddie signed my Larry Bird ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Mark tells me Larry's a big fan.

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Speaker 1: And I had a place in Naples. Larry also had

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Speaker 1: The very first day, we're literally driving, he picks me up.

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Speaker 4: So Mark at all, you didn't feel like you needed

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Speaker 2: You a big sports guy in general. Yes, favorite are

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Speaker 3: Is it your life? Is it the band's journey?

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Speaker 4: Were you a pretty good ball player?

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Speaker 2: And I was watching some old news clips and I

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Speaker 1: They came to town and they had an audition. We

440
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't even know what it was, but they were gonna

441
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 1: we were going to be able to get a video

442
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 1: tape because some of the clubs out west wanted to

443
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 1: see us. So we went strictly to get this video tape.

444
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 1: So we auditioned and that was on a Friday. But

445
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 1: they had told us, said we've already booked the show

446
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,400
Speaker 1: up through show twenty two.

447
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,479
Speaker 3: We don't even know what that means. We just want

448
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 3: the video tape. And they had taped four show.

449
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 1: They said we've taped four shows, but we've booked all

450
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 1: the way through twenty two. So we get a call

451
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: on Monday and they said, hey, you've been bumped in

452
00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 1: front of everyone. They want you on the next show.

453
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: And he says, we want you out here in La tomorrow.

454
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 1: So I said, well, you know, we can't afford you know,

455
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: I start making excuses because I don't know how this

456
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 1: is going to happen. And he says, buddy, my job.

457
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: His name was as Steve Stark and and he's in

458
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: the documentary as well. It's pretty cool, but he said,

459
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: my job is to get you here tomorrow. So we

460
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: go out and we're on the next day and it

461
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: was like the theme to the Beverly Hillbillies is playing

462
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: in my head, you know, I'm on the plane and

463
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 1: it's like, we can't believe this. So we get out

464
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: there and so so we win the first show and

465
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: we're kind of we don't even know what that really means.

466
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 1: So Steve comes back into the dressing room after it.

467
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's like all excited, and we're kind of but they'd

468
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 1: given us five different dressing rooms, but we all dressed

469
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 1: in one. You know, we were so intimidated So we're

470
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: all in this dressing room and he comes in and

471
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: he says, Okay, we have another show in three days,

472
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And we're sitting there and we're kind

473
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: of stunned, and he goes, what's wrong, and I said, man,

474
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: we just brought enough clothes for today, and so he goes,

475
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: hang on. So he goes in. He comes back and

476
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: he's got like five vouchers. He says, we have you

477
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: booked on a red eye. We want you to go home.

478
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he says, Mark, I

479
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: want you to bring back a lot of clothes. So

480
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: we were out there for six and a half months.

481
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey, Morgan Star starts for example, because I think

482
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: of American Idol, but before American Idol, but think of

483
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: Ryan Seacrest about Ed McMahon.

484
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: It was that show.

485
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: It was the original version of that and they would

486
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: give stars like three and a half stars, four and

487
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: a half stars. When you did you get the money,

488
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: You actually get a one hundred thousand bucks and a

489
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: recording contract or was it one hundred dollars was.

490
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: No, they weren't allowed to offer because of the California

491
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: laws at the time. It was only a teav show,

492
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: so they were just it was we got five thousand

493
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: when we won, but we were getting after scales, so

494
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: we thought we were rich, and in our minds we

495
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: were because we were getting like sixteen hundred dollars for

496
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: after scale and then five thousand for winning each show.

497
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: We kept winning, and then the ultimate prize was one

498
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and.

499
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: You got the money.

500
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

501
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, after you performed through or four times, did

502
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: you feel like we might be onto something like we're

503
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: l liked.

504
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was the it was the fifth show.

505
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: We went to the Beverly Center, the mall out there,

506
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: and people freaked out.

507
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: It was it was like hard day's night.

508
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: The security guards had to come get us and get

509
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: us back to the hotel.

510
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: And that's wild, weird to think of too, because there

511
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: were like four channels. Let's be honestly, we didn't have

512
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: many channels back then. Yeah, and so everybody that was

513
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: a big show.

514
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: It was.

515
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: It was huge, and we just you know, we found

516
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 1: out really quick. I mean the first show we did

517
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: after that was an afternoon show in Palm Beach and

518
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: at the Fair and it was an afternoon it was

519
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: a mid week and they had crowd controllers like you know,

520
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: twenty thousand people life it changed.

521
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

522
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: So you guys do that show. But then you come

523
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: back to Nashville, did they because you had success? There?

524
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: Were they like, well we knew you were good?

525
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: Was it that?

526
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: Or were people like you know what we were wrong?

527
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: Now we kind of see what we were missing?

528
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: We we got it.

529
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: We we ended up then getting an offer from every

530
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: label and and and we signed. We signed with Curb

531
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: and in Capital. Curb and Capitol did a joint venture

532
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: for us. But this was the funny thing was all

533
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: of the LA offices were calling that Nashville offices and

534
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: why don't you know about this band? And they had

535
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: to say, we did know about them, we passed on them.

536
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: And so like their bosses were calling yeah, yeah, going hey, yeah,

537
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: what's up?

538
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Why that's and the first the first three albums were

539
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: handled in LA.

540
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: We were we had LA budgets.

541
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: I remember our video budgets were one hundred and fifty

542
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: thousand in nineteen eighty five.

543
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: That's a lot of our video budget.

544
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not that now, no, I mean in one

545
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: hundred thousand bucks back then.

546
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: So it was it was crazy and we were selling

547
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: a lot of.

548
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 2: Records, so we got a few things we're talking about here.

549
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the album for a second. So it's

550
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Desperado Troubadours. What I noticed about it was when I

551
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: was looking at the track list, was that Cody Jinks

552
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: long with Cody Jinks.

553
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody, Cody and I wrote Desperate the tribute doors

554
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: he and I and Tennessee Jet and Cody text me

555
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: yesterday and he goes, man, I'm freaking out. I'm in

556
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: my favorite motorsports store and Desperate Troubadours just came on.

557
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: And he goes, he goes, I'm having like a geek

558
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: fanboy moment right now. And he goes, I'm like telling

559
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody I.

560
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: Wrote this song. We really like Cody, and oh he's

561
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: the best.

562
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone who like paid his dues and came

563
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: up organically the hardaway, but also says, this ain't the

564
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: way you want to come up, like it's very honest

565
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, So how did you and Cody even

566
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: get to know each other? You know?

567
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think it was maybe the

568
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: thing that we did at the opry and and and

569
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: he came in and he loved the walk and he

570
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: was just you know.

571
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: So I met him there.

572
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: We ran into him at in Montana, but my daughter

573
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: had lived in Texas for a couple of years. She

574
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: became a big fan and she kept telling me, you,

575
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you and Cody need to write songs together. Just she

576
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: picked him out and so we we connected and we

577
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: actually had to do a zoom right. It was the

578
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: first time I'd ever done a zoom right and uh,

579
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: and we had we wrote Desperate out of Troubadours, and

580
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: on the heels of that we I had the idea

581
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: for under this Old Hat and so we rolled right

582
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: into that as well. So ended up writing a couple songs,

583
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: but had become really good friends since then.

584
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: The record came out earlier this month, and Blake is

585
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: one of the producers of the record.

586
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: He produced, Yeah, he produced the whole record.

587
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? Everybody has a different role.

588
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: That's pretty sir. What did Blake do?

589
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: He was there from start to finished. He was he

590
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 3: was really there and was start to finish.

591
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I flew out to Oklahoma, uh and uh

592
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and and come to find out, he's a huge historian

593
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: of the band. I mean he was asking me questions,

594
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: you know that. We're like, I'm like, holy cow. So

595
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: he's a huge historian.

596
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: How do you even get with him to know he

597
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: wants to produce it? Like, where did that even?

598
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: Well, he had done a People magazine article and he

599
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: said that Sorry Brown was his first concert and The

600
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Race's Own was the first record he ever bought. So

601
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: my brother, who's our manager, just says, hey, you know,

602
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: let's get somebody to call him. So, so Narvel, his manager,

603
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: you know, gets a hold of him. Well, he calls

604
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: me within five minutes and he goes, dude, he goes,

605
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: I know you produce a lot of your records too,

606
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: But he said, man, I'm in. I would love he goes,

607
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: he goes, You're my hero. So he's I would love

608
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: to do this. So so we we I go out

609
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. We we talked through everything and I said,

610
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, the I want I want it to be

611
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: in nineties record. I want it to sound like us.

612
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to go chasing something and and he

613
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: loved that. So when we you know, he and Gwynn

614
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: flew in and we camped out in the studio for

615
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: like three or four days, and he was the first

616
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: one there, last one to leave. But his instincts, you know,

617
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: and and and also this is what I'll tell you,

618
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: and you probably already know this, but he, you know,

619
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: has this Jethro Bodine like personality that you know, he'll

620
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: come off sometimes like like this goofy country boy.

621
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: He's really really smart.

622
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: He's like really smart, and and his like his memory

623
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: and so he can he can recall songs things.

624
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: So he was doing that in the studio left and right.

625
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: And he has all these great instincts. And and there's

626
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: a couple of songs that I thought he saved. We

627
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: got in there and started struggling, you know, because they

628
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: were all brand new. We don't do demos, so we

629
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: just write a song and go make a record. So

630
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: he was really like he was a champion on on

631
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: some of those things.

632
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: You like to hear yourself back, No, because I hate myself.

633
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: Do you ever hear even in you know, some of

634
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: the biggest songs that you guys have done. Do you

635
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: ever hear slide imperfections of things in hits or did

636
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: you get them exactly right before you press them?

637
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: Early?

638
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: On a lot of imperfections that that I'll hear. But

639
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: because always early one, I always would get nervous when

640
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: I would go in the studio, so I always felt

641
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: like I sang better like live sometimes like I would

642
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: I would like do his like I would do a

643
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: song like the Walk or something live one night and

644
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: go God, I wish I would have sang like that

645
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: on the on the record.

646
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's because you're a freer, Like

647
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: just making a sports analogy, if you're not tight and

648
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: worried about it, usually play better. But then you get

649
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: in your head you want to play well, and it

650
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: tightens jupplet.

651
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Bit absolutely percent. And I really felt that early on.

652
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: You know, the race is on nineteen eighty nine, Where

653
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: were you? What was life like?

654
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, when I hear that song on and not because

655
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: of me, when I hear that song sonically, it still

656
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: holds up. So that's what I think, just as a

657
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: as a producer and as a music guy, like when

658
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I hear that, I'm gonna go wow, man, we made

659
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: a great record. But you know, at the time, Hobe

660
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: and I had had were in New York and we

661
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: were in like this boutique store and we had heard

662
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: this punk rock version of the races on and and

663
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: we're like sitting there. So we were in doing the album.

664
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: We'd finished the album, and so we're sitting there and

665
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I had this idea of you know, there's George Jones

666
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: and there's punk rock, and we're somewhere in the middle

667
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: of like, we could do this, we could we could

668
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: pull this off, but it would have to be like

669
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable or you know, you're on you know how wood.

670
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Grew you're covering I mean the George Jones and the races.

671
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be so good or we're like,

672
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: what we're even trying to.

673
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: Do exactly exactly.

674
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: So so we're we're in the studio and we're kind

675
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: of just talking through it and and I think it

676
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: was Larry London was was like in there and Larry goes, okay,

677
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: he said, he said, listen, he goes, he just starts

678
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: his beat and he goes, he goes Mark. He says,

679
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Mark's going to come in, and he says, everybody lay

680
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: out until the til the we get to the chorus.

681
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: And he says, and.

682
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Then all heck needs to break loose when you get

683
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: to the course. And that's what we did. He just

684
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: start boom, bump, bump, bump, bump bum A real to

685
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: you was willing and and it was like boom and

686
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: we we we recorded it and we knew, we knew

687
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: we had something, and Randy Scruggs produced it, and Randy,

688
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: when we got through, he goes over and calls Jim Vogelsong,

689
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: was the president of Capital at the time.

690
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: Of Scrugs as in the The Scrugs Fly.

691
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Scrugs got yeah, Yeah, it Earl's son, Randy Scruggs got it.

692
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: And he goes home and he calls Jim vogel Song,

693
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: who was a president at the time. He gets him

694
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: out of bed and he says, you got to hear this.

695
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: So he gets out of bad. This is eleven o'clock

696
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: at nine. He comes over, he listens to it and

697
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: he just said, Wow.

698
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: Did you think it was going to be a single

699
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: when you cut? I mean, it's it's a cover obviously,

700
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: and you changed it to the tempos much faster. Did

701
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: you think as you're recording it would just be a

702
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: fun song to do or there was a shot that

703
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: you would put it out?

704
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: I did, I didn't. I knew, I knew when we

705
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: finished that night. I knew it was going to be

706
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: a single. I knew I was going to fight like

707
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: everything for it to be a single. But I knew

708
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: it was going to be a battle. But but you

709
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: had the best description I think on a on a

710
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: TikTok thing of talking about chart positions, because you're exactly right.

711
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Some of our songs that went number one aren't as

712
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: big as song that went number five, and the race

713
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: is on it is a perfect example of that. It

714
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: was just a huge impact record.

715
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: Some Girls Do in nineteen ninety two. I mean, you

716
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: guys have so many massive songs, but again your music

717
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: is layered where there is the rock band, but again

718
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: you can hear that banjo in the background that gives

719
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: it the texture of oh this is for real.

720
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Well, Some Girls Do was recorded three times. I first

721
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: went to Muscle Shoals and I got an unbelievable recording

722
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: of it Muscle Sholes, but it was too rock and

723
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I knew. But when I wrote Some Girls Do, I

724
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: thought it was the only song that I've ever written

725
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: that I knew I had one.

726
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: I thought, okay, I've.

727
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Written one, this is this could be something, So I

728
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: go and record it in Muscle Shoals. It's so good.

729
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: It's like zz Top. It's so rock, so good. I

730
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: come back to Nashville, I play it for Randy. We

731
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: go in the studio, we cut it in Nashville. It's

732
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: so country. I want to throw up.

733
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: So it's a complete opposite.

734
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I hated it. So I thought, okay,

735
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: it's again. It's got to be somewhere in the middle.

736
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: So so my favorite steel player is JD. Manis, who

737
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: played on all those like California Cool.

738
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: He's from l A. We flew JD and Uh and.

739
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: We bring up some of the guys from Muscle Shoals,

740
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: and we bring in some of the Nashville guys and

741
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: we we recorded again.

742
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: I play in both records.

743
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: It was that hybrid.

744
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: It was a hybrid.

745
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

746
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and but the song was that important to me,

747
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: and and and it and it is the mac Daddy,

748
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the biggest.

749
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: Thing to you.

750
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: That's the one.

751
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: Well they always always say, you know, like in your career,

752
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: when things happen, then there's a shift and and and.

753
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: Like I thought, first of all, I thought step that

754
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: step was it?

755
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: Well, it was number one.

756
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: It was about yeah, yeah, and then I thought the

757
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: race's own was it? Then I thought the walk and

758
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: the walk was huge and but but they say you'll

759
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: know when the one comes on. And some girls do.

760
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Changed are everything. Some girls do took us into arenas.

761
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: That's what that song did.

762
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 6: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

763
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 6: Bobby Cast.

764
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three. Thank God for you. What comes to mind?

765
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Mac mcinally mack and I wrote three or four songs.

766
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: He of course for all these years. But Mac is

767
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: Mac kind of like.

768
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: He and I became really good friends the first time

769
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: I went the Muscle Shoals. He played on the stuff

770
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: with us down there in the eighties. Became great friends.

771
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: But he also really really knows the band and and

772
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: he he came up with that that chorus and it

773
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: was you know, uh, And we were did all this

774
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: stuff on Muscle Shoals, All of our stuff, the big

775
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: hits were in Shoals. Mac and I put a studio

776
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: in his old house down there, and we would go

777
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: down there and camp out and make make our record.

778
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: This is the Coral Reefer, Yeah, Mac mcanalan, Yeah, so cool.

779
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: When you get sick, did your voice get deeper?

780
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: It does. It's like pop pop now Mariah got are exploding.

781
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: I would feel though, because if I'm you know, doing

782
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: stand up or anything and my voice gets much deeper,

783
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: if yours gets a lot deeper, can you still sing

784
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: in the same key?

785
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, yeah I can.

786
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: That would be a benefit having I have to.

787
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: I have to get a like Mac and Mac and

788
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: I did something that the Hall of Fame last Saturday,

789
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: and I had to get up and it was going

790
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to be like at noon, so I had to get

791
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: up at like seven o'clock in the morning and start

792
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: singing and try to, you know, get the cobwebs off

793
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: of it, because.

794
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: That's me every morning three o'clock. Listen. We're big fans, really,

795
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: And they were like, hey, Mark wants to come up,

796
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: and we are pitched a lot of people, and I

797
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: was like, yes, I don't even care what it's about. Absolutely,

798
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: is it his new you know, nude modeling, whatever it is,

799
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: he can come and do it again.

800
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: Such big fans. The documentary now that isn't out yet,

801
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: is it all right?

802
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: So but Blake's a part of that too that I read.

803
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: He's the executive producer on that. He wanted to sign

804
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: on to do that, and he is. He does a

805
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: huge interview. You know, the documentary is ninety minutes long,

806
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: but Blake's interview itself, you know, had to be edited.

807
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: His interview was an hour and a half. He the whole.

808
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Length of the documentary. Yeah, exactly. Blake talks about Solia Brown. Yes, yeah, so,

809
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: and what you guys shopping that now too different.

810
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: It'll come out on one of the streaming services.

811
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: You know.

812
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: We're still you know, working on that deal, but it'll

813
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: be out before the end of the year.

814
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: Do you ever hear your song randomly at like a

815
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: Mexican restaurant and then point at yourself like.

816
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: Hey, I will hear, like we've done so many songs,

817
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: I will hear a song and it'll just be real

818
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: light in the background, and I'll kind of get mad

819
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: because I'll go and that's somebody trying to sound like me,

820
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: and it'll be me.

821
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: Funny, Okay, the boys in me My life in the

822
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: country music supergroup Saw Your Brown by Mark Miller, who

823
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: is saw Your saw Your Brown's not a real person.

824
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: Everybody in case you were wondering all the tour dates

825
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: and you got to plaint a bunch of shows. Saw

826
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: your brown dot com. You can see all the dates there, one.

827
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: Hundred cities this year.

828
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, you're still at what point do you start

829
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: to get tired?

830
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I really don't. I'm kind of like,

831
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: you must.

832
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: Not do a morning radio show while you tour.

833
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: It's like show three.

834
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm exhausting.

835
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: Why I sign up for this?

836
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Congratulations on everything. I'm glad that you put new music out,

837
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: first album in twenty years. Yeah, that's cool that Blake

838
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: was involved. Yeah, but let's be honest.

839
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: He didn't need him. He didn't need Blake. No.

840
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 2: And then also, it's so cool that you know Larry Bird.

841
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever talk to Larry anymore?

842
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

843
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: You guys still are friends?

844
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

845
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: If you ever play golf again, then you need a fourth.

846
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't care where you are, I will, I will

847
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: come right over and I will say nothing. Well, I

848
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: won't look at icon.

849
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm working on something for the signed basketball.

850
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: That'd be really nice.

851
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: Mark.

852
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Well, Eddie just wants that because Eddie signed my Arry

853
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: massive Did you really not see that on there? No,

854
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: it was my fault again, it wasn't all my fault.

855
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: But I don't want him to feel bad. We were

856
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: signing balls for our sports show and that ball was

857
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: on a table display because we were doing a different show,

858
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: and then we were just signing and it's like an

859
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: assembly line. He just grabbed it, signed it and moved on.

860
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: He didn't even know he did it.

861
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 3: Mark.

862
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: It was next to all the other balls, so I

863
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: just grabbed it.

864
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: Sign I didn't even see.

865
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: Great. Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate that.

866
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: And you're a terrible basketball player.

867
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: You're terrible, But oddly my kids are really good.

868
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know.

869
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: It's really weird. Okay, so the book, the record. You'll

870
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: let us know when the documentary is out, Yes, just

871
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: let me know, and I'll tell everybody to go check

872
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: it out the tour. Congratulations, And I mean if you

873
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: have any ball player in town, let me know.

874
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: I'll do it.

875
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: Other than that, anything Eddie before we go, No, no,

876
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: just that.

877
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean if you need another player too, I'm available. Okay.

878
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, this phone doesn't work. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: I must not have got that text mark. Thank you

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Speaker 2: and congratulations on everything.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys. And I'm a huge fan, thanks man.

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Speaker 3: And my daughter is a huge fan and she's out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: him Madison she directed the documentary.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. Yeah, so does she have is this

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Speaker 2: the first document Like? What is her background?

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Speaker 1: She has her own TV show called Chasing Down Madison

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Speaker 1: Brown on RFD TV.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. So she knows what she's doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't like let me randomly pick one of my

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Speaker 2: family members. You right, Awesome, that's really cool. We can't

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Speaker 2: wait to see it. Congratulations, that's really cool. And that's

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Speaker 2: the b side of Blake just doing an interview for

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Speaker 2: ninety minutes. If it's so successful, they just put that

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Speaker 2: out too. Mark Miller saw your Brown Follow on instagm

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Speaker 2: I'm at Sawyer Brown band and check out the book

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Speaker 2: and the record and go check them out on tour

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Speaker 2: because are so good.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks, thank you man, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 3: a Bobby Cast production.