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Speaker 1: and Marco Farr. I'm JB. Long. This is between the Horns,

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Speaker 1: always presented by your Southern California Toyota dealers. We of

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Speaker 1: course want this to be forward looking as much as possible,

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Speaker 2: A do that big if you want to go talk trash.

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Speaker 1: No bad choices here. I like everything you said. I'll

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Speaker 2: Start the ball rowing. Now, move on to step two.

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Speaker 3: I think you're the favorite. I don't really think that

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Speaker 2: I think you're there now. I mean yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: to beat Detroit in Week one. It was right there

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00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: for you. The games I keep coming back to for

434
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, when you said like my memories or

435
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 2: actually Chicago and Green Bay.

436
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Chicago is behind.

437
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 2: Imagine if you got those two and then you finished

438
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: off the way you finished off. Oh my god, this

439
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 2: whole season is different. So yeah, like I said, I

440
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: if you can find a way to run it back

441
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 2: with the guys you have and add a little bit more,

442
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 2: I think you are the favorite in this division, possibly

443
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 2: more going forward.

444
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 1: Or forget trading for a veteran, Like just for the

445
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: sake of argument, let's take pick twenty six and this

446
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: past class, the likes of Brian Thomas or Save You're

447
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: Worthy or Lad McConkie or Keon Coleman, like those were

448
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: all weapons, like you're talking about available at or around

449
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: or after that pickpoint.

450
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you go get a lockdown corner

451
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 3: at that part part right, like you can enough good corner.

452
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 3: And to me, I think it's it's less about going

453
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: to get vets. I think it's more about keeping this

454
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 3: group is close as much as much as you can

455
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 3: to get. If you look at the Philadelphia Eagles and

456
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: the Can Stay Chiefs, want to say the Chiefs have

457
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 3: eighteen guys they were on that last Super Bowl team

458
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 3: two years ago that that played and then the Eagles

459
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,959
Speaker 3: twelve right, and so they were able to keep a

460
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: nucleus of guys there, which is important, Like we talk

461
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 3: about it all the time. The more that you could

462
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: hear the same word, you can see the same people,

463
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 3: you could walk the same halls. The more comfortable you are,

464
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 3: the less you have to think, the more you can

465
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 3: react and go and play.

466
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: I hear what you said about wanting to get more

467
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: explosive on offense. Who can you break the huddle with?

468
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: Who tilts the math in your favor? It reminds me

469
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: of the twenty one offseason. You remember the Rams not

470
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: only signed to Sean Jackson I do after the Stafford trade,

471
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 1: of course, but then also drafted to two out. Well,

472
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: that's an interesting data point in terms of what did

473
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: you learn from that experience? How will it inform your

474
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: steps this offseason as you try and chase down I

475
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: think a similar goal, similar goal.

476
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: Not to step on anybody's toes. But maybe your speed

477
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: or explosiveness doesn't have to be at receiver running back?

478
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: All right?

479
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: Can I play something from you? Because the closest thing

480
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: we have to tea leaves right now, is this comment

481
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: from Sean may Face kind of season closing press conference

482
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: about how he wants to be more versatile on offense

483
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: and how they'll spend this offseason. Going about that.

484
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: The easy answer is to complain about the injuries that

485
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: we have that threw off the continuity. And while that

486
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 4: might be true, you can't allow that to inhibit us

487
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 4: the way that it did, you know, And that's nobody's responsibility,

488
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 4: but my own, I think more fully functional. I think

489
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 4: even our teaching progressions for the totality of the group,

490
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 4: How do you utilize the offseason, how are you making

491
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 4: yourself more versatile from a personnel perspective, from just a

492
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 4: run variety perspective, And those are the things that I'm

493
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: excited to be able to dive into. But you know,

494
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: I was talking to Liam Cohen the other day and

495
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: one of the coolest things that I think is reflected

496
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: about what a great job he did was you know,

497
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 4: you've got a background, and then when you watch them

498
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 4: and what they evolved to with Bucky Irving and the

499
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: way they ran the football and some of the variety

500
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 4: and personnel groupings, I thought that was a cool reflection of, Hey,

501
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 4: maybe we think We're gonna do that, and then what

502
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 4: you evolved into if you're able to understand a the

503
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: best coaches adjust to their players, and that's what we've

504
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 4: got to do a good job of as it moves forward,

505
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: and what it looks like from our offensive line, from

506
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: the surrounding parts with our backs. But I think, you know,

507
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: I could go on and on about the variety of

508
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 4: things that I'm excited about attacking to hopefully avoid some

509
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 4: of the pitfalls that we had throughout the year, to

510
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 4: ultimately lead to more consistent production and play regardless of

511
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: whatever our injury situation is.

512
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: After hearing that and then kind of looking at this,

513
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: this it's so funny. Last year free agency was the

514
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: freegency of running backs.

515
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: Right.

516
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: We saw the way running backs were able to try

517
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: A teams shout out to the Giants for ruining the NFC, Right, yea,

518
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: how many teams wish they would have signed, say Kwan Barkley, right,

519
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: knowing that you would have had this type of deal.

520
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: But this draft is the draft of the running back

521
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: and of the explosive. The thing is, can you find

522
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: a back that has the football IQ to handle what

523
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna throw at them? I feel like this year

524
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: Blake Korum struggled a little bit of getting on the

525
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: field because they weren't comfortable enough. We'll putting him in

526
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: some of those situations, and then obviously New Orleans comes in,

527
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: he plays a little bit that he breaks his arm

528
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 3: at the end of the year as forearms.

529
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: So is that a comment about the offensive line as

530
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: much as the running back? When you talk about the

531
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: running game again, it all starts with who your quarterback

532
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: is gonna because I think if it's Matthew Stafford, that

533
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: colors you're thinking on Okay, what do we do with

534
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: the answers we need to find at left tackle, at

535
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: right tackle, at center?

536
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think when you we know which

537
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: way they want to go, they have an identity offensive

538
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: line wise, what they want to have. They want to

539
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: be bigger, they want to be Maler's right. So that

540
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: tells me, Okay, we'll have some outside zone stuff, but

541
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: we need guys that can break a tackle, run through

542
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: some guys, and still have the ability to go score.

543
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 3: And that's what you're gonna have to look for. We've

544
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: always talked about a kien Has does such a great

545
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: job of manipulating backers and guys in the box. The

546
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: one downfalls is his long speed. He doesn't have that

547
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: long speed. And when you go against a guy that

548
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: has a long speed and you see that and how

549
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: easy it is to call a play and he can

550
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: go seventy with It's like, I don't have to call

551
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: have a next play ready when you're going with guys

552
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: like that. And so I think when you see that

553
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 3: you play against that, it's kind of very similar, like

554
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: I need that. I want that in my offense because

555
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: that'll make us way more explosive. You brought it up

556
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: throughout the season about being more explosive offensively.

557
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk offensive line one more time. Yeah,

558
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: but let me get to Puka next. Okay, if Puka

559
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: is grading out as one of, if not the best

560
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: receivers in the game, if he's your wide receiver one

561
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: moving forward into year three, how do you compliment him?

562
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: What are you.

563
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: Looking to stack and bunch him with or to put

564
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: opposite him to bring out his best and to stress defenses.

565
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: Most I would anybody that could beat one on one

566
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: coverage on the back side, a burner down the field

567
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 2: or something like that. It's funny talking about korm and

568
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: protection issues and whatnot. Why aren't you playing korm more

569
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: It's because maybe he's not well versed in protection. Kyron

570
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: is better at pass protection. Well, then the question can

571
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: well change your offense? Well that's not so easy, but

572
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: I understand where he's coming from. Pare it down. If

573
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: you need to get more out of some younger guys,

574
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: I would love a loose play guy, A guy that

575
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: can come in at receiver, running back, what have you,

576
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: that could create something out of nothing. Make it so

577
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: you don't have to dial up or schedule fourteen plays

578
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: just to move the ball down the field. It's kind

579
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: of rough to do. That puts a lot in your quarterback,

580
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: a lot in your offensive line. It definitely helps when

581
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: you have that explosiveness, but o line wise, I mean, look,

582
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: I thought it left tackle. I thought when Lallar Jackson

583
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 2: came back, that changed a lot. How many times did

584
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: you guys say his name during the game?

585
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: Never?

586
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Not that much, right, I mean I think your left

587
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: your answer to left tackles already in house. Everything else

588
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: that that transpired when you made switches right before week

589
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: one and you had to sub guys because guys got hurt.

590
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: I thought the old line did a fantastic job of regrouping.

591
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: But if we're trying to come into the draft and

592
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: you're looking for somebody who is fast or explosive, and

593
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: there's also an offensive lineman that's sitting there at that

594
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: same spot, I might go towards that guy, especially if

595
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: Stafford is your quarterback, because that is job number one.

596
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: And look, the easy way to get more explosive in

597
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: today's NFL is find a quarterback that runs. That ain't

598
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: going to be you if you signed Stafford, So what's

599
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: the best way to make him better protection or find

600
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: somebody that can run down the field.

601
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: To that end, would you consider going all in on

602
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Jonah Jackson again this offseason that hoping that ain't done

603
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: with him, that a healthy offseason program, whether he's your

604
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: full time center or someone else's and he slides in

605
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: that guard, that that's worth considering given the financial investment

606
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: you've made.

607
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, you have to you have to do that. Obviously,

608
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: we talked about the blessing and his guys aving bo

609
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: Limmer being able to step in and play some very

610
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: pivotal snaps after what he did in the preseason. But

611
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: Jonah Jackson, to me, you have to figure out a

612
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: way to see if it works right. I think DeMarco

613
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: hit on the head when he said, if there's a

614
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 3: right tackle or a tackle and an explosive player, you

615
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: take the tackle every time because you can go find

616
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown the fifth round. Seen this over and over again,

617
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: explosive players, Pookin Naku in the fifth round, right, like,

618
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: you can go find guys that go. Now, I will

619
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: tell you this, I wouldn't go get an explosive just

620
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: a guy that can run down the field. We've tried

621
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: that already. It didn't work out. Give me another Pukah.

622
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: Give me another guy that I could put on the

623
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: other side and he could bully the other guy if

624
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: need be. Now Stafford has two guys he can go

625
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: to in critical situations. Give me a guy with run

626
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: after catch that I could get you the ball quickly

627
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: and you can make a guy miss and go. That's

628
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: what I want because that's what your offense is. And

629
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: then when we need to take a shot, we have

630
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: a receiver coach that can train you how to get

631
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: down the field and make those things go. But what

632
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: it's hard to teach is a guy that you can

633
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: throw a hitch to. He can make a guy missing

634
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: go and that's what we saw Pooka do multiple times,

635
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: and that's where he's special.

636
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: Maybe Jay wits that guy. Maybe he's already here going

637
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: into year two. All right, let's switch over to some defense.

638
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: And I think it's amazing that the Rams did not

639
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: score on defense from Christmas of twenty two until Week

640
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: five of this year, and then the defense ripped off

641
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: four straight games scoring points. They scored the longest defensive

642
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: touchdown in franchise history, and they scored on special teams

643
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: seven games overall, including playoffs with non offensive scores. Like

644
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: here's one of my biggest takeaways from twenty four. Chris

645
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Youula is a dude, and he's got some dudes, and

646
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: I think that opens up a whole new chapter of

647
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Rams football.

648
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: No doubt. And can I just clarify if you're if

649
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: the ball comes out and you're in a scrum, fall

650
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: on it, if it's on the edge, scoop and gone.

651
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: I want to clarify what Maurice said. I'm all in

652
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: favor of when you can if it's their fall on it.

653
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: But I thought Chris Youula got nothing but better every

654
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: single day, every single week and it's it's look, he's

655
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: new and these players are young, so you don't they

656
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: don't know him, you don't know them.

657
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: But as he.

658
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 2: Started to figure out what he could do and they

659
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: could handle more, they could be more aggressive in the

660
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: back end, which means you can be more aggressive in

661
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: the front end going after quarterbacks. Once you married those two,

662
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: the voice and the and the talent, the defense took

663
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: off and then it started to grow beyond even his control.

664
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: The they were they were super aggressive. I think Jared Verse,

665
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: the thing that impressed me most about him coming into

666
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: this year is, uh, you know how well he just

667
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: took to that leadership role like that and he never

668
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: stopped talking day one. He's talking trash to his own teammates.

669
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: He's talking trash to them, and he also backed it

670
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: up with this play. I think that was reflective of

671
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Chris Shula. Let these guys go. I'll correct you when

672
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: you're wrong, but I'm not gonna let you take smoke

673
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: off your rush at all.

674
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: I think you have to talk about Sean McVay when

675
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: you talk about the defense. It would have it would

676
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: have been human nature to kind of say and let

677
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: me go over and kind of micro manage his defense

678
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: a little bit. Again. I go back to OTAs when

679
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: Jared Versu was getting into it with the tight ends

680
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: and he's like control aggression, control aggression, and versus like,

681
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: I'll take all you guys on, I don't care whatever

682
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: he wants, right, But then to see that and that's

683
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: what you wanted and that's why you drafted him, right,

684
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: and then to allow that to grow naturally organically, and

685
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: then to see Byron Young play with that type of edge.

686
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: You see Kobe Turner play with that type of edge, right,

687
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: to see Roseboom start playing with that type of edge

688
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: throughout the season. Then you make the big, the big

689
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: move to bring Spates in, which that was huge. We

690
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: saw that in preseason his physicality, and then to see

691
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: the back end kind of start to shape out in

692
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: the middle of the season, I thought, you know, those

693
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: are some tough decisions, man, Like the land shark is

694
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: starting at one point and then he kind of gets

695
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: banged up, and then a Keller Witherspoon has like four

696
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: games in a row where you're like, can't get him

697
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: off the field? Ye like, and you're never supposed to

698
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: lose your job to injury. But he's hot, I gotta

699
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: play him deep. Will yeah, d Will coming in and

700
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: really solidifying the side of the ball as well, Like

701
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: they just did so many great things. And then the

702
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: way you utilize the captain Quentin Lake both at the

703
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: slot to trust him to play man to man but

704
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: also come down and some of the tackles and the blitzes.

705
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: And again it's just it became about the players and

706
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: not the scheme. And I felt like when that happened,

707
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: you start to see this thing just go.

708
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: So let me compare those two conversations on offense, where saying, well,

709
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: he can't really decide until we know who's at quarterback.

710
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: On defense, your quarterback is the fearsome twenty twenty foursome

711
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and you know you have the answers now. So DeMarco,

712
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: what's the next step to building this defense?

713
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

714
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: From being like timely and optortunistic and clutch to being okay,

715
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: lights out.

716
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: What was your first thought when I say a Kellow

717
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: Wetherspoon about his demeanor, how he plays, how would you describe.

718
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: As well, I'll tell you this, I didn't know he's

719
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna hit like that.

720
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say, dude, got fined for

721
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: a hit at the end of the year. That guy.

722
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: That's the progression, that's the attitude. That's what this defense brings.

723
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: So if you're asking me, how do you make this

724
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: defense better? If we go back to that same draft conversation,

725
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: this is where Chris Shuwill and the defense would stand up.

726
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: If there's a.

727
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Tackle, a loose, play fast guy and a top flight corner,

728
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: I may be going for that guy. If you can

729
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: find a way to lock up the other team's best

730
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: receiver with one guy and free your safeties up to

731
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: rome and just be ballhawks, you'll be better.

732
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: I hear that, But I could I also make the

733
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: same argument given what you just said that because of

734
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: the pressure and the diversity of pressure, you may you

735
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: may continue to cut a corner at corner and throw

736
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: numbers at the problem with maybe Morricelo, maybe Derrian Kendrick

737
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: coming back. Do you will you know.

738
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a corner that gets cut and you were

739
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: able to go, So find the guy.

740
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: Kind of college free agents from last year that you

741
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: like that you rostered grow into year two.

742
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: I think there's the if you got a chance, if

743
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: you've got a one cent a generation type dude, that's

744
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: a corner.

745
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: And they're saying, now, but now you're going back to

746
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: the you know, to the other draft. No.

747
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: No, if you get one of them kool aids or sauces,

748
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: you know.

749
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Make that quarterback pat the football.

750
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: Just one little bit that gives Verse, that gives Fisk

751
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: an extra beat to get there.

752
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: So be it.

753
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Yes, uh, special teams got to have a mention here

754
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: because I think one of the greatest things that the

755
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Rams have coming out of this season is maybe their

756
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: next zer line Hecker combination. Like it's been a while

757
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: since Rams fans have been able to go into January

758
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: February knowing who their specialists are going to be the

759
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: next fall, and I think there's a chance to believe

760
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: that these guys could become Pro Bowlers.

761
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right there. I think Evans Evans. And it's

762
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: funny because as much as we didn't think we would

763
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: call his name, we call his name a ton early

764
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: throughout the season. And those reps of punting the ball,

765
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: pinning guys in the corner, and you know, kicking at

766
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: fifty yards to the sideline, all those things came up

767
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: huge late in the years because yeah, you needed some

768
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: of those critical punting situations against the Jets where you

769
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: pin them even though they went ninety nine. But you

770
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: pinned him at.

771
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: The one Rizona too. Just dropping lawn dark down.

772
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: The Philly I mean, when you're backed up in Philly

773
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: the playoff game and it's bombs away time, he gives

774
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: you that flip field when the end zone is in play,

775
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: when you cross the fifty, now you've got to keep

776
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: it out of the end zone. No touchbacks. That's a

777
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: guy that got better as we went on, and I'm

778
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: glad the Rams resisted the urge to do something that

779
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: placekicker when he was when the whole operation was struggling,

780
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: and we blamed it on Cardi.

781
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I meant in terms of like

782
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: the scar tissue less learned from this era of Rams football.

783
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: They've seen good kickers get out of here and then

784
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: find a second chance and make the most of it

785
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: with another organization. Yeah, they let cardi second chance be

786
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: right here in La and he finishes with sixteen in

787
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: a row. He closed.

788
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: The outside says, when you miss a field goal, blame

789
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: the place kicker. I'm glad on the inside you can

790
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: look and see maybe it wasn't just him. Yeah, maybe

791
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: it was snap, maybe it was how maybe it was

792
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: the hole. Maybe it was a lot to the operation.

793
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: But just letting that settle itself down, the guy became

794
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: a weapon for you later on in the year and

795
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: into the postings.

796
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: Just like we're I guess we're saying the Rams are

797
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: mature through all these experiences they've had. Right with the

798
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: kicking situation with different special teams coordinators. Uh, the way

799
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 3: the special teams flew around and made plays, right, guys

800
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: are flying down making big time tackles. And I'll say

801
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: this Ethan Nevians did the leaf punt again in the

802
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: in the in the divisional round against You know, Cooper

803
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: dejin is a secure catcher of the football. That leaf

804
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: punk caught him off guard and you had an opportunity

805
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: to get the ball. The same thing against. Uh, there's

806
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: the Cardinals where you have Jordan Winington flying down, jumping

807
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: on the ball. Like, was that the Cardinals or that

808
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: the Vikings? Was the Vikings the Jets?

809
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: The Jets is where he covered the muff? Is that

810
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: what you're talking about?

811
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? The was it the muff? Okay? There they're all

812
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: kind of rolling together at this point. But yeah, but

813
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: I'm just like, all these different moments happened because you

814
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: were mature enough to say, I want to give this

815
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: special Teams coach another chance.

816
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: True?

817
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: Right, Like? And then again you talked about those experiences

818
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: from different seasons with different coaches, different players, moving on,

819
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: you learn, and it's the maturity of Sean McVay in

820
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: this organization that's really allowed them to be where they

821
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: are now.

822
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: So who do you think is a breakout star candidate

823
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: for next year? Because I think Cardi and Evans are

824
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: both on that list, even though you know special teams

825
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: players probably you know they got to be special don't

826
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: drive ratings.

827
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: But breakout for special teams or no.

828
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: No, no, Just who do you whether it's a year

829
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: two guy or someone ready to step into his own next.

830
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Season breakout star for next season?

831
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: Uh?

832
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: You know? Okay, the easy one, Blake Corum would be.

833
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: I was so geeked for him to go, and I

834
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: was so sad when he broke the arm and on

835
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: the run where he broke his arm, he ran the

836
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: guy over and almost knocked him out. So imagine if

837
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: you get twenty five carries of that, depending on what happens.

838
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, Blake Korn might be a guy look at

839
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: and circle and say this might be the next star.

840
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: Wow, it's a tough one. See I want to say

841
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 3: I want to say DeMarcus Robinson. I want to say

842
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: that because I think he can be that.

843
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: So he's a priority free agent for you.

844
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: And he's a guy that I would out for sure

845
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: to bring back. I would, I was for sure bring back.

846
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: But but the all the guys that would circle for

847
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: breakouts broke out this year.

848
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: States was on my short list. Cam Kinchen's too.

849
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see. I think Kim Kitchen to me, yeah,

850
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: I think the sky broke out or broke out of right.

851
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: And that's why I felt like Space is the guy

852
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: I want to go with, just because he came in

853
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: and said you, I mean, it just reminds me of

854
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: the Jets when they're about to run with Breese Hall

855
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: and he shoots gap.

856
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, just again that the reps, the meaningful reps that

858
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 3: he got this year, they're only gonna make him better.

859
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: And the rams, I don't think they have to go

860
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: out and add at that position.

861
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: Well, if he gets Kitchens, then let me get fisked.

862
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: Then there there's a breakout verse, even though he already

863
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: broke out right.

864
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: So my next question is gonna be which Ram's free

865
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: agent do you want to sign. I was gonna guess

866
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: that yours was gonna be Alerc Jackson because what you

867
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: said on this shows Robinson is right there.

868
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 3: If I wand have to pick one, I will give

869
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: you the left tackle.

870
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let me guess one for DeMarco.

871
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: Wait, gotta have back. Hoyt got fined twenty three thousand

872
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: or something, whatever it was.

873
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

874
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: Why, being too smart, trash talking, and I don't know,

875
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: but I think he is great for this team. I

876
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: think he is great for this defense. And he's also

877
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: great for Jared Vie.

878
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: He was Jared Verse unlocked something in him that I

879
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: haven't seen this whole time.

880
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: The other way he lets Verse be verse.

881
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm talking about just the way he was talking. Yes,

882
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: his his mannerisms, how he was like he was so

883
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: confident knowing what he was doing. Yeah, he was like

884
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: barking at the other side, like lighting up. You know

885
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: how they'll get the talk a little bit, he'll drop out,

886
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 3: he'll rush like again to see we've saw him, We've

887
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: talked about this, like do you let versus just give

888
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: it to Verse or do you let Verse earning from Hoyt.

889
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: They found a way for both of them to co exists,

890
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 3: and you you got another edge rusher in that situation.

891
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Our audience won't be surprised to hear me say this.

892
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I promise it's the last time I'll say it, and

893
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: then I'll let it go. But if the goal is

894
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: to get more explosive this offseason, then how can you

895
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: let your fastest player get too?

896
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: Oh? Come on, man, he's always open to Like JB.

897
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: He goes into the divisional round runs, it has ten

898
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: yards of separation to catch the ball in front out.

899
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm your choir, right, yes, sir, twenty five game on

900
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: the schedule. You're looking forward to most?

901
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh Jacksonville, Oh the Liam come on, we gotta go back,

902
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: just just because of how that whole thing. We gotta

903
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: come come on home?

904
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: Is that more about you and Jacksonville?

905
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: Jacksonville?

906
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: It's in Jacksonville. He's there, he's your offense.

907
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Is there more so than the Raheem Bowl in Atlanta,

908
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: rematch in Philly or hosting Detroit.

909
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: That's the one I can't wait for I'm.

910
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: A pretty good schedule. If I give you four options

911
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: and none of them.

912
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: Are I'm past Detroit. Are you really if it's me

913
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: if we're going a team, because I'm thinking I was

914
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: thinking more of like a coach that was here, offensive guy.

915
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: You got your you're running the show. Now, let's see

916
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: how you do it right. You're kind of the O

917
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: C and Tampa you were. But if we're going to

918
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: go a team, oh give me Philly, Okay, need it.

919
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: You don't know why, DeMarco, because you don't know one

920
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: more time. Let me tell you something once.

921
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 2: Don't turn it over.

922
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: That's going there the next two years this year as

923
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: a like place finisher next year based on the division schedule.

924
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: We're calling the game. When the Rams are doing well,

925
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: they're they're sitting on their hands, but as soon as

926
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: one thing happens, they turn around start barking. And it

927
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: took and it reminded me of the guy at the bus.

928
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: It took so much for me not to say anything

929
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: as we're on air, but like the competitor me came out.

930
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: I feel like I can play that day.

931
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: That's where you've grown as a broadcaster over now, you

932
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: didn't get it.

933
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: I was right.

934
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I was writing, we dropped you into that game in

935
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: your rookie season as a broadcast might suit it up.

936
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: You might not have made it to year two.

937
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: I would have made it. Hop through the thing.

938
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, winding it down your best. Guess what the Rams

939
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: do with the twenty sixth overall pick.

940
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: To keep it?

941
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: You think keep it, keep it? I would say that's

942
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: the least likely. I think they move back up, trade it.

943
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: I think they trade up.

944
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I think picking at twenty six is But but.

945
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: There's a lot that goes into that. There's a lot

946
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: that goes into that. It's not like this is not

947
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: like a team where it's just like, hey, we're like,

948
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: you gotta it's your quarterback back. Do you bring your

949
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: tackle back? Who do you bring back? And then that

950
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: kind of determines and then you know, I gotta do

951
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: the scout thing. I got to see who's out there

952
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: to figure it out. Get ready to go.

953
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: It's a running back class, though we've heard it.

954
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: Is it's like twenty five over that class. Yeah, it's

955
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: not a quarterback class for sure.

956
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Do you have a Super Bowl prediction?

957
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: Give me the chiefs man.

958
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: You hate even saying that I know it's hard to

959
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: pick against Mahomes, but I would say this man and

960
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: this run and comparing him to Brady or whatever. Uh,

961
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: you go three in a row and you beat that

962
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: Philadelphia squad who's probably the best rushing team we've seen

963
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: in forever since Newt Rockney roam the Earth. If you

964
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: go through them to win three in a row, Kansas.

965
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: City, who's Newt Rockney.

966
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: I'll tell you after the show.

967
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, old school, yeah, before this like back before the

968
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: forward pass when everybody.

969
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: Before you took your recruiting visit today and trust me,

970
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: But if.

971
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: You go through them and win a Super Bowl, Look, okay,

972
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: might be the best run and he may be the best.

973
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: Quarter three peak going through the top three MVP candidates. Yes, right,

974
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: if you get Lamar, Josh and Saquon, be cool. If

975
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: the Rams are the last n SC team to win

976
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: it still too, right, Yeah, that could be something worth you.

977
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: This is the thing. When you look at Kansas City,

978
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: they just find a way and they disfigure it. They

979
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: just figure out how to do it. But second half

980
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: adjustment of his critical moments of his first starting fast,

981
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: they just figure out how to do it. And then

982
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: when I look at the Eagles, and I don't want

983
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: to sound like a hater, but I just feel like

984
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: if they can't run the football, putting that put all

985
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: that pressure on HRS to throw the ball to win.

986
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: I've been saying that all year, and I'm going to

987
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: find a way to make that happen.

988
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had seven Russian touchdowns yesterday.

989
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: Here's my rooting interest for the Super Bowl week, Tory

990
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Holt Hall of Famer. Yes, about time we all agree

991
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: on that.

992
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: And then lock the doors for ten years.

993
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that'll make it a lot easy.

994
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: No more receivers get locked the door for ten years.

995
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: Let him and that's it. Yeah.

996
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: I guess that's a wrap on this season Between the

997
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Horns presented by your Southern California Toyota dealers. As hard

998
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: as it is to step aside, we do need to

999
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: put some time in distance between this season and what

1000
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: will be free agency. Will have the draft covered for

1001
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: you OTA's and mini camp. We do have some thank

1002
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: yous to offer, not just my friends MJD and DeMarco

1003
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: of course, but Stu made awesome contributions to this show

1004
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: this year. Cameron Kirsten, this was our best season of

1005
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Between the Horns yet. I hope you guys felt that

1006
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: we enjoyed that. And if I can ask like our

1007
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: studio crew to kind of filling around, come on, come

1008
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: back a cando here bing Rudy. I'm guessing jury won't

1009
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: cut Jory probably left you go Mark, but come make.

1010
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: A little bit to go.

1011
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: Don't comb the hair, come on, bing my man. Won't

1012
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: you ever change being?

1013
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: Part of what makes this show awesome is the ability

1014
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: to talk about the team and the franchise that we

1015
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: all love, and to do it with friends and people

1016
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: who really pour into the product. So thank you for

1017
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: being a part of this show start to finish. We

1018
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: can't wait to bring you more. Twenty twenty five editions

1019
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: for all of us here at between the Horns and

1020
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. Thank you for a great memorable season.

1021
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 3: Who's House, Crams House?

1022
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: You keep ret