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Speaker 3: August recess has arrived. Don't think that means a lack

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Speaker 3: of news throughout August, because well, we've got a presidential

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Speaker 3: race to cover. And I'm delighted to say that Amy

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Speaker 3: Political Report with Amy Walter. She's on the masthead here

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Speaker 3: and Amy, it's great to have you back as we

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Speaker 3: consider it your new race ratings that really jumped off

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Speaker 3: the page for a lot of people this week, suggesting

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Speaker 3: that we're really looking at four toss ups this time Arizona, Georgia,

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Speaker 3: the candidates are up to, because we do have some

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Speaker 3: important stuff with the Lincoln Dinner in Iowa, new bus

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Speaker 3: tour for Ronda Santis. But when you start looking down

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Speaker 3: the road, Amy, how do you bring it down to

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Speaker 3: only four states?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Thank you for we've been seeing for the last

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Speaker 4: few cycles, not just twenty sixteen, not just twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: but go all the way back to two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 4: So between two thousand and eight and twenty and twenty,

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Speaker 4: only ten states have flipped between Democrat and Republican in

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Speaker 4: forty states have voted Democrat. Every single one of those

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Speaker 4: Some of those ten are now pretty much off the page. Ohio, Iowa,

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Speaker 4: All of us who covered campaigns, covered elections had to

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Speaker 4: not so much anymore. Those are red states now and

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Speaker 4: we put those into the safe Republican category. But Arizona

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Speaker 4: That's what put Joe Biden in the White House. In

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan, seventy nine thousand

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Speaker 4: It doesn't seem hard until you go, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: So we'll be paying attention to those places as well.

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Speaker 4: But just think about all the money that's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, so you just you just went through a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really great question. So you have in Nevada,

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Speaker 3: We're spending time with Amy Walter on Bloomberg's Sound on

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Speaker 3: I'm really compelled by Georgia. We were there for the

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Speaker 3: Raphael Warnock, and there was talk about Georgia turning purple

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Speaker 3: As well, you wonder about the Trump factor in Georgia

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Speaker 3: And I have to ask you, since you're with us,

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Speaker 3: the Lincoln Dinner this weekend. But we got more news

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Speaker 4: It is almost as if for many Republican voters this

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Speaker 4: So I think DeSantis has two challenges, one the fact

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Speaker 3: He's obviously been struggling in the polls recently as they

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Speaker 3: There's probably a lot of sugar.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it's very tough considering the bind

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Speaker 3: Pretty interesting stuff here, Rick, what would you tell Ronda

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Speaker 3: As we turned to what happened late last night in Congress.

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Speaker 3: So Washington, DC is a ghost town once again as

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Speaker 3: a pretty big deal, especially knowing it got bogged down

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Speaker 3: matter of fact, talking about getting through not only the NDAA,

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Speaker 3: but this blockade on military promotions a Senate or Tommy

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Speaker 7: Cornyn until Senator Schumer decides to break the ice by

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Speaker 7: filing for cloture on a nomination, or there's some other

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Speaker 7: resolution at the Department of Defense. We could put this

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Speaker 7: policy on the floor of the Senate and take a

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Speaker 7: vote of the Senate, and then Congress would be speaking

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Speaker 7: to whether this is warranted or not. Right now, the

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Speaker 7: Department of Defense is I think taking actions which I

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Speaker 3: The old High Amendment, and so at some point these

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Speaker 3: will go into Conference Committee, and it's not clear what

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Speaker 3: and GD Shanzeno are with us Rick, what's the final

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Speaker 3: product look like?

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Speaker 7: Here?

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming we get a final products despite protests from Republicans.

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Speaker 1: In the House.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the protests in the House is absolutely

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Speaker 8: one of the things that would result from this. But

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Speaker 8: the other thing that is left out of the common

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Speaker 8: conversation by Cornin's solution. Sure, you could take these one

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Speaker 8: by one. They're early three hundred stacked up by now,

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Speaker 8: so the entire fall could be voting one by one

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Speaker 8: on staff officers for the military. But the problem with

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Speaker 8: that is you turn them into judges, right, and we

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Speaker 8: already do that for federal judges, and they become political

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Speaker 8: the real question is do we really want to turn

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Speaker 8: want to appoint someone is a senior ranking officer. And

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Speaker 8: I think there's clearly a fundamental problem with that that

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Speaker 8: is only going to be solved by either the Defense

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Speaker 3: What's your take on this one, Jeanie, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: ask you next about a government shutdown. So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know which one comes first. But Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to do this, he doesn't want to bring

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Speaker 3: all of these to the floor. Instead a new president.

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Speaker 6: That's right, and it's for the reasons that Rick just

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Speaker 6: talked about. I mean, you can imagine going forward, you

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Speaker 6: one of these things for a pet project that they

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Speaker 6: feel strongly about that would just tie up the Senate.

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Speaker 6: And let's just go back for a minute to the

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Speaker 6: High Amendment, because that bar's federal funding for most abortions.

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Speaker 6: This policy of the DoD is reimbursing travel expenses, not abortions.

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Speaker 6: And let's not forget when you are in the military,

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Speaker 6: you don't have a choice as to where you are stationed.

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Speaker 6: And this is for our national security. As we saw

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Speaker 6: the Chief Justice say in this last big decision, you

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Speaker 6: have to allow for diversity in the military because it

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Speaker 6: is critical that they are appealing to the entire nation

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Speaker 6: to serve. And so how do you get women and

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Speaker 6: men and husbands and wives to serve eighteen to twenty four,

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Speaker 6: is an enormous problem, and Tommy Tupperville is taking it

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Speaker 6: out on the wrong people because there are over two hundred,

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Speaker 6: almost three hundred people now who are impacted by this,

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Speaker 6: and they will not get that money made up whenever

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Speaker 6: this is resolved. Even if they get those promotions, they

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Speaker 6: don't get that money back.

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Speaker 3: So rick what happens when everybody comes back to town.

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Speaker 3: We'll get through Labor Day lawmakers stream back in is

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Speaker 3: the math that I already mentioned here. Twelve appropriations bills

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Speaker 3: already clearing in the Senate, only one in the House,

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Speaker 3: essentially guarantee a shutdown. And we talked to Chris van

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Speaker 3: Holland about this, of course, the Democrat from Maryland. Here's

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Speaker 3: how he put it.

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Speaker 10: If we do need additional time, which I hope we won't,

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Speaker 10: then we should have a continuing resolution rather than move

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Speaker 10: to a government shutdown. I'm very worried here House Republicans

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Speaker 10: talking about shutting down the government if they don't get

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Speaker 10: up the agreement that Speaker McCarthy reached with the President.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of sounding like, I mean, even if we

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Speaker 8: Rick, Yeah, hard to tell. I think there is. Obviously

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Speaker 8: the bailout is a continuing resolution, and you negotiate how

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Speaker 8: long that continuing resolution will lasts and gives you some

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Speaker 8: more time. I mean, you're right, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 8: way they're going to do eleven individual appropriations bills in

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Speaker 8: three weeks before September thirtieth, so that part is probably

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Speaker 8: off the table. But you could do like what we

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Speaker 8: generously on Capital call a minibus or an omnibus, which

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Speaker 8: is packaging a group of those eleven appropriations bills or

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Speaker 8: all of them that are left outside of the Defense

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Speaker 8: Bill and putting them into a package that then gets

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Speaker 8: an upper down vote. And that's a way to actually

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Speaker 8: get your job done. The bad news with that is,

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Speaker 8: during the course of Speaker McCarthy's election, there are all

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Speaker 8: kinds of deals cut not to do those kinds of things.

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Speaker 8: Now they've already done things that they said they weren't

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Speaker 8: going to do, so I don't know why this would

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Speaker 8: be any different. But the reality is there are options.

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Speaker 8: It's going to take some leadership from McCarthy in some direction,

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Speaker 8: because right now I don't get the impression that there's

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Speaker 8: a plan in leadership to actually pass a budget.

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Speaker 3: Listen to the Senator from Louisiana, Genie, for the Republican

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Speaker 3: view on the real problem here in this budget debate.

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Speaker 3: He also talked to Bloomberg.

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Speaker 11: Their favorite form of spending is more because they think

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Speaker 11: the federal government has all the answers. And the second

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Speaker 11: group of people or were as and I'm in the

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Speaker 11: second group, are worried about the staggering death that we

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Speaker 11: are occurring, we are incurring and it's impact from the

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Speaker 11: American economy. And that's a disagree.

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Speaker 3: I only have thirty seconds left here. Genie is the

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Speaker 3: Democrat favorite form of spending more as he.

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Speaker 6: Says, uh no, And they made a deal. And it

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Speaker 6: is really Republican on Republican disagreement that is leading to

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Speaker 6: this and the fact that you've got a freedom Caucus

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Speaker 6: in the House that is saying we don't care if

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Speaker 6: there's a shutdown, it's fine, it won't impact anybody. That's

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Speaker 6: the real problem.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they're asking for it in some cases. Rick

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Speaker 3: Davis and Genie Shanzana with some final thoughts on decorum

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Speaker 3: in the capital. After one House member curses out a

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Speaker 3: group of pages late at night. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: Eric van Orton says he has no apologies and for

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Speaker 3: the congressman from Wisconsin, a former Navy seal went off

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Speaker 3: on a group of young Senate pages, as the story

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Speaker 3: is told, sixteen seventeen year old pages, cursing them out

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Speaker 3: early Thursday morning in the House rotunda. It was just

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Speaker 3: after midnight for apparently lying on the floor, and it's

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Speaker 3: common that pages do that coolder heels rest a little

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Speaker 3: bit in the rotunda on late nights of work, which

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Speaker 3: this one was. Now, I can't actually tell you what

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Speaker 3: he said because we're on the air. Wake the up,

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Speaker 3: you little what the are you doing? Get the out

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Speaker 3: of here, you're defiling the space. You who the are you?

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Speaker 3: It's hard so I can't tell you what he said,

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Speaker 3: but you can use your imagination. And the Senate Majority

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Speaker 3: Leader Chuck Schumber talked about it on the floor.

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Speaker 9: What that congressman did last night at midnight was just

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Speaker 9: utterly despicable. And it's even not even worse, but compounding

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Speaker 9: the injury, he doesn't even apologize to them. What the

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Speaker 9: heck is the matter with him?

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Speaker 3: If you look at Twitter the pictures of his office

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Speaker 3: of wine, empty bottles of alcohol in the garbage can

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Speaker 3: on the table in the office, Rick Davis and Genie Shansey. No,

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Speaker 3: I need your input on this. Ricky spent enough time

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Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill to not Did those pages do something wrong?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 8: And I'd never mess with the pages. They know everything,

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Speaker 8: all right. I think that this was also rebuked by

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Speaker 8: Mitch McConnell. I mean this is a bipartisan rebuke, right,

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Speaker 8: I mean this guy, look, being a Navy seal does

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Speaker 8: not give an excuse to use profanity in the chamber,

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Speaker 8: and certainly not on teenagers. He should be ashamed.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the wine had anything to do

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Speaker 3: with the genie. They said they had fifty guests. They're

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Speaker 3: showing around and it's a lot of people, I suppose,

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Speaker 3: But you know what it's like to work with teenagers

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Speaker 3: who are hard at work. What lesson did they learn?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's easier to work with kids at sixteen and

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Speaker 6: seventeen than it is to work at the Representative and

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Speaker 6: just we thought it was safe to send our kids

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Speaker 6: to Capitol Hill for some civics. But Joe Matthew, boy,

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Speaker 6: that was quite a reading. I am very very impressed

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Speaker 6: that you didn't slip.

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Speaker 3: I just I didn't finish one sentence. Genie Schanzano and

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Speaker 3: Rick Davis, good luck in one hundred degrees, whether it's

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