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And I'm being dead serious at 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 5: this point when it comes to Will Campbell, the Patriots 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 5: are going to have to host Will Campbell on a 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 5: thirty visit and measure his freaking arms again if you 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 5: think that he can play with those, what is it 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 5: thirty three and thirty. 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 6: Thirty two or sorry, thirty two. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 5: It's a lot of math. 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 6: It's okay. 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: You happen to catch Fonseka on TV last night, the 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: Brazilian tennis player. 22 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 6: I did not what tennis was on on a Monday night. 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: You just want to it's the Miami Open. If it's 24 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: a Master's one thousand, it's. 25 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 6: Actually do pickleball now, Yeah, I know you probably don't 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 6: want I don't like that at all you don't like 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 6: the pickleball friends discussed. 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: Which of these players would Paul pick at number three. 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: I just had a gyro. You don't let me be 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: you might need a bit. 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 7: Is Patriots Unfiltered presented by Toyota's official website. For deals, 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 7: buy a Toyota dot com. 33 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here 34 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: at Chills Stadium, and uh news broke after our show 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and of course everyone knows about it by now. 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs is the newest member of the New England Patriots. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Of course we're gonna dive into that, talk about it. 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: I got a feeling tomorrow we're gonna get our first 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: look at Stefan Diggs in person as a Patriot, So 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: look forward to that. A bunch of content coming to 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: you on Patriots dot Com and Patriots social media tomorrow. 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: So we'll deal with that tomorrow. But today we get 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: to talk about it. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's Deuce, 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: it's Alex, it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth. We're all 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: here for the next two hours talking Patriots. Of course, 46 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: we're gonna dive into the draft we'll dive into free 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: agency and Stefan Diggs and anything else you want to 48 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: talk about. It's Thursday in the offseason, so anything can 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: happen here. So guys, opening thoughts. 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: I think I have to go first. I feel a 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: little like a Florida Panthers fan, like after you got 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: Brad Marsham and you're like, I always liked him on 53 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 4: my team. I mean, you know, I feel like that's 54 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: a little bit of what I'm going through. Look, I 55 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 4: was a little apprehensive about Stefan Diggs, and I mean, 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: I don't think you need to go through what you know, 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 4: some of his I don't know if you could call 58 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: him issues, but you know, just some of the things 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: that have popped up with him kind of being a 60 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: devil wide receiver, which let's face it, a lot of 61 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: them are. So Yeah, that part of it concerns me 62 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: a little bit, but I think there's no question that 63 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: this player, it makes this room better, and then they 64 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: needed it down deperately. I don't know if he's the 65 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: leader to come in and get everybody in line, but 66 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: I do think that his his intensity, his focus on 67 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 4: the game, you know, the nuance of his route running, 68 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: how good. He's gotten at it. He clearly works at 69 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: his craft, and my hope is that he will set 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: the tone whether he's not you know, hey, tomorrow, Douglas, 71 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: let's go out for drinks, right, you know, trying to 72 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 4: be like that guy. I don't know if he's going 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: to be that warm and fuzzy guy. I don't necessarily 74 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 4: need him to be, but I just need him to 75 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: kind of set the bar for this wide receiver room 76 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: and show them what it looks like when you have 77 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: attention to detail and you're on top of everything at 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: all times. So I'm hopeful. I'm excited to watch him play. Look, 79 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: he's dynamite on the field, there's no you know that 80 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: that didn't take much adjustment. But it's like any of 81 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: those players, like, well, you're a hockey fan, you watch 82 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: Brad Marshall and you're like, I hate that guy. But 83 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: we'll see how he is now that we get again. 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: I don't think Dig's gonna be licking people, hopefully not 85 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: not me at least that's a marsh On thing for 86 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: people who aren't from Boston. 87 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 6: Time. Yeah, you feel the same way. 88 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily have the hatred for Diggs that deuce did. 89 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 5: I feel like by the time he got to Buffalo, 90 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 5: the Patriots were kind of going this way and the 91 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 5: Bills are going that way, so I didn't necessarily feel 92 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 5: the same way. But I think the thing that's most 93 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 5: appealing to me is imagining him with Josh McDaniels in 94 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 5: all the different ways that Josh McDaniels is going to 95 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 5: get him open within the offense. I don't anticipate that 96 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 5: they're just gonna glose to Von Diggs to the boundary 97 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: and have him just run routes out there. I think 98 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 5: they are going to move him a lot around a 99 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 5: lot and have him be a chess piece and really 100 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: an engine of this offense. You look at his numbers 101 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 5: over the last couple of years, he's really turned into 102 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 5: a first and second level route runner. He's a short 103 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 5: and intermediate guy. He's a chain mover. I wouldn't necessarily 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 5: say the big plays are there anymore from where they 105 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 5: were in Minnesota in his early career in Buffalo, but 106 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: now he's really one of those guys that can really 107 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 5: be an engine of an offense, and I think that's 108 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: what they needed. They needed a high volume player, and 109 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 5: I think they got on with him. 110 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I love the idea of the pick. I think 111 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 6: we talked about it on Tuesday. I would absolutely and 112 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 6: I wanted to bring him in for a multi year deal. 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 6: I was not interested in a one year deal. And 114 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 6: I know this is probably not a three year, sixty 115 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 6: nine million dollar deal. We all know that, and we 116 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 6: all know how these numbers can be deceptive. But the 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 6: stuff that Evan talked about is what I think Drake, 118 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 6: Drake may really needs is a guy who can consistently 119 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 6: move the chains. When I've got to have a play 120 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 6: comes up, where are you going to look? You're going 121 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 6: to look to him. I think it's asked an awful 122 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 6: lot of Hunter Henry to do that constantly last year. 123 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 6: Diggs is I think far more suited for that. You know, 124 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 6: that's what he is now. He's probably like a ten 125 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 6: yard per catch kind of guy. The last two seasons 126 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 6: that he played, his numbers have dropped precipitously, not receptions, 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 6: the receptions. He was on board for another one hundred 128 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 6: catch season last year in Houston, but the yards per 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 6: catch had dropped from about fourteen to ten over the 130 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 6: last three seasons. You know, his last year in Buffalo 131 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 6: his year in Houston. So that's what Evan said. He 132 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 6: is is probably what you're going to see. What I 133 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: like about him is I don't necessarily have to rely 134 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 6: on Josh McDaniels to get him open. He's going to 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 6: get himself open. He's provided that he's healthy. He's an 136 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 6: exceptional route runner. My only concern is his health. Mike. 137 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 6: I don't have any concern whatsoever about the diva nature. 138 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 6: That's what quarterbacks have to deal with. If Drake May 139 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 6: felt like he was going to go through his career 140 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 6: without some big personality wide receiver breathing down his neck 141 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 6: about his touches, right, he was deceiving himself. I say 142 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 6: this all the time. That's a group of one. Larry 143 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 6: Fitzgerald is the only exceptional wide receiver I can even 144 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 6: think of that never worried about his touches or anything 145 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 6: other than winning. All these other guys, even the ones 146 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 6: with great reputation. Terry McLaurin is the guy with an 147 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 6: exceptional reputation in Washington. He bitched. That's just what these 148 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 6: guys do, So I'm not worried about that. I think 149 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 6: this is a great signing, provided that he's healthy. Alex, 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 6: and Alex has to be excited about it for far 151 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 6: different reasons. 152 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: I am excited about it. I don't know if the 153 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: Cardi B relationship is a real thing or if that's 154 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: just social media fodder. But yeah, to all you guys's points, 155 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: I think I think you need a diva wide receiver. 156 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: I think it's good for that room. And I don't 157 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: think we're coming in like to do this point that 158 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: we're not asking him to be that like boy scout leader. 159 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: I think kind of mc collins can fall into that role, right, 160 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: and then Diggs can be a leader with just his 161 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: play on the field elevating everyone else. So I'm really excited. 162 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: I hope he comes in with a chip on his shoulder, 163 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: ready to prove a lot of people wrong. And I 164 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: don't know the injury thing, obviously concerned, but modern medicine 165 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: and the stuff these guys do to take care of 166 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: their bodies these days, I think it's different. 167 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with Paul. The only thing I'm worried about 168 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: is his health, Like how is he going to be 169 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: And it's not just a physical thing when you have 170 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: those type of injuries, it's mental. It's like that's the 171 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: part can I cut as hard as I did before? 172 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: And you know that's a big part of it, is 173 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: the route running. And if that's fine, then this is 174 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: all positive to me. He's gonna show these guys how 175 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: to run a route, how to how to be a 176 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: receiver in the NFL, and and he's not. I don't 177 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: think he's gonna have much to bitch about because he's 178 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: gonna get a lot of touches on this office. 179 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 6: But I'm just gonna prepare everybody. He led the league 180 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 6: in touches I believe three seasons to targets. I'm sorry, 181 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 6: not touches targets three years in a row, and was 182 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 6: still constantly whining about it. So just be prepared, and 183 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 6: it's okay, Like I don't. Mike and I have sort 184 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 6: of argued about Diggs specifically on pre and post game 185 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 6: shows for years, like I don't care, Like it's you know, 186 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 6: I hate to credit my shows with Veelger and Maz, 187 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 6: but bring me the a hole, Like I want the 188 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 6: talented guy, and I want the guy even if he's 189 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 6: causing some priduze as long as he's like if the goal, 190 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 6: as long as the goal was winning. Yeah, that's all 191 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 6: I care about. Like everybody said that Randy Moss didn't 192 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 6: want play football anymore because he was selfish. But all 193 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 6: we wanted to do was get to a situation where 194 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 6: he could win. And I think Diggs is, you know, 195 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 6: sort of one of those guys. He's gonna he's gonna 196 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 6: complain if he's not getting targeted, especially if they're not winning. 197 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I'd say one more point to that, to 198 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: just that I like I like Rabel. I like Rabel 199 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 4: being the guy it's gonna deal with that. But that's 200 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 4: he put the words out of my mouth. I trust 201 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: Mike Rabel wouldn't let these things boil over into being 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 4: an issue, and that's let him be him, let him 203 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: play the way that he wants to play. But I 204 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: I just trust Mike Rabel in the way that I 205 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: think he's going to manage this team that will. 206 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 3: Now here's the thing, and I agree with you. I 207 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: think I'd be a little more concerned if this happened 208 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: last year with Mayo a little bit less control. I 209 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: think you'll see the control here now, certainly in terms 210 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: of locker room guys. I think we've we have more 211 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: them on the defensive side of the ball right now 212 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: than we do on the offensive side of the ball. 213 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: But Josh McDaniels, I think, is a guy who's gonna, 214 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: I think, set the tone. I said, I think Josh 215 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: McDaniels is going to set the tone for the offense, 216 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: and certainly he has the credentials when it comes to 217 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: running an offense. I think Diggs was going to respect that, 218 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: and all the rest of the guys are going to 219 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: respect that. And then I think all the wide receiver 220 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: is going to respect Diggs because, like I said, he 221 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: is a professional when it comes to being a receiver 222 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: in the NFL. So's if he's healthy both mentally and physically, 223 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: then let's go. 224 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go. I want to hear what 225 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: he has to say, though, I you know, what was 226 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: it about New England and can he shine it on 227 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: a little bit and to make us think like that 228 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: he likes what they're building here or was it just 229 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 4: about this was the biggest This was the biggest and 230 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: best offer and that's what he took. I mean, you know, 231 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: of course that's probably what mostly it is. But I'd 232 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: like to have him flirt with me a little bit 233 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: and be like, no, I'm so I. 234 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: Want last year. 235 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: No, I want, I want to play with him. 236 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 6: I want. 237 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to stand up there. I talked to coach Rabel, 238 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 3: I could talk to Josh McDaniels. They excited about what 239 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: they have in store and and what they're gonna what 240 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: their vision is of the offense. They told me that 241 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: they want me to be you know. 242 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 6: You know, I have some bridges to sell. They are interested. 243 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: They told me they want me to be, you know, 244 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: the integral part of the offense, you know, in his words, 245 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: I expect to hear something like that. 246 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: I hope. 247 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 6: So, yeah, I'm only eleven minutes in. I'm going to 248 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 6: be good. 249 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 5: I feel like some of the diva stuff. And maybe 250 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 5: you guys can point to exact anecdotes of what you're 251 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 5: talking about necessarily because that's that's Minnesota. Like, let's just 252 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 5: put these all in context, right, Like Minnesota, he needed 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 5: a new contract and and the Vikings decided to keep 254 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 5: Adam Feeling and trades to Von Diggs and then draft 255 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson, like they decided to just go into a 256 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 5: different direction with their team. And then in Buffalo they 257 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: they underachieved, Like that team was talented enough to win 258 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 5: a Super Bowl, and they got bounced in the divisional 259 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: round by the Beagles. 260 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 6: Because he dropped a bomb with the game on the line. 261 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: Okay, I mean he made a bad play, Like I. 262 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 6: Are gonna say. If they're gonna bitch about getting the 263 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 6: most targets in football, you need to produce when you're targeted. 264 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 6: He was always bitching that he wasn't getting the ball 265 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 6: thrown when they were losing games. 266 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: When they were losing, Evan, is true. 267 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 6: Evan's exactly right. They underachieved, but they didn't win. 268 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: But is that true. 269 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: I don't led the league in targets, that's true. 270 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 5: I don't know. 271 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: But but but you just said that that's not what 272 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: he was bitching about. He was bitching about not getting 273 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: the ball when they were losing. 274 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 6: They're getting He was bitching about not getting the ball always. 275 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: Is that true? 276 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 6: Yes? Okay, Okay, we can all put I didn't make 277 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 6: it to twelve minutes. We can all pretend those things 278 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 6: didn't happen. 279 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: No, No, but I want to I want to narrow. 280 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 6: I don't care. I just want to be on record. 281 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 6: I don't care that he complaints and wants the ball. 282 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: I think we owe it. 283 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 6: I think that's what good receivers do. 284 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: I want to know exactly what he was bitching about. 285 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: Did he have a case or was he just being a. 286 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 6: Deep I don't know. Talk to Josh Allen. 287 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 5: He obviously has some deva qualities, like any receiver of 288 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: his caliber would have. I'm not like trying to say 289 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 5: that he doesn't. I just think that in all these situations, 290 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 5: there was, you know, real reasons as to why he. 291 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 6: Pat now, so we have to say it was Okay, 292 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 6: I just want to pay with that because I've never 293 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 6: had a problem with him bitching about That's like, I 294 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 6: just don't understand. 295 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 5: So in Buffalo, right, they lose and the divisional. 296 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 6: Intentionally got worse to get rid of him. What does 297 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 6: that tell you? 298 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 5: Okay, can you let me finish? In Buffalo? He lost, right, 299 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: they lost the game, okay, And the reporting out of him, Okay, 300 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 5: the reporting out of Buffalo was that they didn't think 301 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 5: that the quarterback was as locked in as he should 302 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 5: be on football at the time. 303 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 6: Just so as the guy that last year said that 304 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 6: he was exceptional with the young receivers wasn't interested in 305 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 6: retaining him. Okay, I like, I'm just by facts. I'm 306 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 6: not going by stories. I'm going by the facts as 307 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 6: they've been presented. Like he led the league in targets 308 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 6: and planned, he wasn't getting targeted enough. That's a fact. 309 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 6: Whether it's Josh Allen was not, I don't know if 310 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 6: that's a fact, Josh Allen not being focused. Well, he 311 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 6: has digs aciety of the story. 312 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: But is the fact that he led the league in 313 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: target but and he was bitching about not getting targeted 314 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: at times at a certain times. 315 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 6: All the time for three full years, and Josh Allen 316 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 6: had had enough of it, and I think that they 317 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 6: had a falling out. I think what Evan's saying is right. 318 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 6: There was a rift between Allen and Diggs. And I'm 319 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 6: not telling you Allen's right because I don't know who 320 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 6: was right. I'm not I'm not close enough to the situation. 321 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 6: I just want I just want to repeat I don't 322 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 6: care that he wants the ball. I think good receivers 323 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 6: want the ball. That doesn't bother me at all, And 324 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 6: it doesn't. It didn't bother me when he wasn't a patriot, 325 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 6: and it's not going to bother me if he does 326 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 6: it as a patriot. I think that they needed this 327 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 6: move because of the death situation that that room is in. Yeah, 328 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 6: and I needed a receiver and now they have one. 329 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Like if if they think 330 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: that Drake May was going to go through his career 331 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: and not have to deal with something like this and 332 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: not saying you're going to and it hasn't happened yet, 333 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: so you may not, but like he has to be 334 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: able to deal with that, whether it's Stefan Diggs or 335 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne or whoever. 336 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 6: And if you could push back and say that maybe 337 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 6: I'm a little bit defensive of Josh Allen and you'd 338 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 6: probably be right about that. Well, I am a little defensive. 339 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: You know, I'm one of his biggest fans. All I'm 340 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 5: telling you. All I'm telling you is is that you know, 341 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 5: this is a guy that has a produced everywhere that 342 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 5: he's gone, but is also just this is sorted part 343 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 5: for the course of what these guys are like, so 344 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 5: to me, like, I don't understand why this is a topic. 345 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 5: Like the topic is is knee healthy or not? 346 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 6: That's that's my topic. Like, you know it has thirty 347 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 6: two coming off of twenty a cl can he still 348 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 6: be the best route runner in football. That's the only 349 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 6: thing I'm concerned about, you know, with Evan, Like all 350 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 6: this other. 351 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 5: Stuff to me is just I mean, do you want 352 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 5: to go down the list? AJ Brown, DK Metcalf like 353 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 5: all these guys, bitch, Like all these guys complain when 354 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 5: they lose or they're not getting target. 355 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 6: All those guys, Give me and I'll provide him the book. 356 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 6: I'll turn the pages of the book for him on 357 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 6: the bench if he needs to read the book while 358 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 6: he's upset during the game. Give me the talented guy 359 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 6: that they don't have. Diggs is that guy? 360 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that we are. That's it. I just think 361 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 5: that talking and now we've talked about it for ten minutes. 362 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 5: But like talking about all this stuff is really kind 363 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: of missing the point of the whole thing. Like the 364 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 5: whole point of the whole thing is that he's the 365 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 5: older receiver that's coming off a major injury. If he's healthy, 366 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 5: and he's the Stefan Diggs, even the Stefon Diggs in 367 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: Houston last year, he is their best receiver by a 368 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 5: country mile. So like all this other stuff. 369 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: So let's talk about if he's healthy. If he's healthy 370 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: in every way, mentally and physically. What does he do 371 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: for this offense? How do you think they'll use him 372 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: in a Josh McDaniel's schemes. 373 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: I mean, he's the piece. I mean, if I'm Josh McDaniels, 374 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: that's all my play call begins with. Where are my 375 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: lining up digs? And what is his matchup? Where am 376 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: I trying to put him? I think that's just a 377 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: great luxury to have, And that's something we talked about 378 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 4: so much that they haven't had. Am I not talking now? 379 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: Is my mic off We're doing a little troubleshooting because microwas, 380 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: you never get comfortable when Matt comes in and all 381 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: of a sudden just starts reaching down. 382 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: And what's going on here? 383 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: Uh? 384 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 4: But that that, to me is the piece that I 385 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 4: think they've been missing. And if Josh is able to 386 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: you know, get in the lab right now and start 387 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: baking and thinking about these are the pieces I'm starting 388 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 4: to have. And you know, we talked a little bit 389 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 4: about just Travis Hunter, like his raw receiver ability learning 390 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: from Diggs is a wonderful thing. 391 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: Do you think they'll move them all over? 392 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: I think so, yeah. I Mean I looked at his 393 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: just real quick I looked at his splits. You know, 394 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: from his early days in Minnesota when he's almost entirely 395 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: outside and you know, to what the guys have been saying, 396 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 4: he slowly moved in and whereas last year it was 397 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: almost an even split between slot. 398 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: And which is why his yardage numbers went down. 399 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 6: Probable well because he slowed down. And the last two 400 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 6: years in Buffalo a perfect illustration. And again this can 401 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 6: be very deceptive. I want to be consistent. When you 402 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 6: just look at the numbers and you don't watch every 403 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 6: game in every season, you don't really know exactly what happened. 404 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 6: But he caught something like one hundred and six and 405 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 6: one hundred and seven or one hundred and seven and 406 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 6: one hundred and eight the last two years in Buffalo, 407 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 6: so almost exactly the same receptions, but the yardage went 408 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 6: from fourteen hundred to just about eleven hundred, an enormous 409 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 6: drop in his last from his second to last year 410 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 6: to his last year in Buffalo. He was on pace 411 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 6: in Houston last year to have that drop even more. 412 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 6: He was going to catch about one hundred balls for 413 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 6: about one thousand yards, so that the receptions haven't really changed, 414 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 6: but the yardage is changing dramatically and therefore the yards 415 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 6: per catch, So that tells me what Evan is talking about, 416 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 6: probably more slot stuff, probably more moving the chains, maybe 417 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 6: some quick screens. They're looking for some yards after the catch. 418 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 6: He's not necessarily a downfield thread anymore, which is. 419 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 4: Okay, But do you think any of that had to 420 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: do with just for Houston having these and having an 421 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 4: outside guy kind of and now like, we don't really 422 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 4: need him to just. 423 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 6: Put out because it happened in Buffalo when he was 424 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 6: the gut, you know, getting you know, I don't want 425 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 6: to get back into that, but getting the ball thrown 426 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 6: to him every play, So they could have done whatever 427 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 6: they wanted with him in Buffalo they didn't have other guys. 428 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 429 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, So his last year he was going to set 430 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 5: a career low for air yards per target. He's at 431 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 5: eight point three air yards per targets, is very, very low. 432 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 5: So all of his passes that he was targeted on 433 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: were all short throws, but his average yards per route, 434 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: you know, in terms of the depth of the route, 435 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 5: was the same as it was the year before in Buffalo. 436 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 5: So that's what that tells me, is that he's not 437 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 5: getting open on the routes down the field anymore. He's 438 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: only getting open at the first and second level, so 439 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 5: that's where he's getting targeted, even though he's running routes 440 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 5: at the same depths as he was the year before. 441 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 5: So he's a chain mover like he's a true third 442 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 5: and six. We're gonna he's gonna get you seven yards 443 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 5: type of guy now. But he can do that at 444 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: a very high volume. And when you put him with 445 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels and have him do all the tricks of 446 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 5: the trade to get him open, you know, whether it 447 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: be playing him in the slot, playing him out of 448 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 5: you know, stacks or bunch alignments, moving him around the 449 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: formation in motion, like all these different things that McDaniels, 450 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 5: you know, really is very good at with formations and 451 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 5: stuff like you can have a real engine of the offense. 452 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: I think between he and in Hunter Henry, I think 453 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: now May has two guys that are sort of his 454 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: safety guys, his guys he can count on. And I, 455 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, I think that's great. Like Dante Scarnecki said, 456 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: every quarterback needs that binkie. He might have two now. 457 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's good for Demario Douglas too. I 458 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: think it's talk about moving him around. So much attention 459 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 4: is going to go to Diggs and probably out of 460 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 4: the slot. And now in those third and gotta have 461 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 4: its third and longs, you put Douglas in there and 462 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: he suddenly he's not the slot guy. He's like your 463 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 4: fourth guy, and you know, now he's going to get 464 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 4: a favorable matchup and he might be able to get 465 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 4: open too. So it's it's the trickle down effect. But 466 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: I'm just watching some of his highlights over the last 467 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: you know, week, as he's been you know, considering a decision, 468 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: just so impressed with what you know. I mean, we've 469 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: seen it so many times with Patriots thir third down, 470 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: we're about to get off the field and it's just 471 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: like pinpoint precision from Josh Allen to him. We saw 472 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: that so many times. So those kind of things to 473 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 4: watch in training camp. I mean, I still rave about 474 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 4: when we went to Vegas and watch Devonte Adams out 475 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 4: there and I was like, oh my god, like this 476 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 4: is what number one, you know, And I mean that's 477 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 4: when we really get to watch the most football of 478 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: the year other than the game. So just getting him 479 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 4: to see go against Gonzo go against Davis. I mean, 480 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: that's it's gonna be some real fun stuff to watch him. 481 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: You may not see that right away though, now maybe not. 482 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 6: No, so we should we should say in terms of 483 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 6: that that Adam Schefter tweeted that he is expected to 484 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 6: be ready for week one. Now that comes obviously directly 485 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 6: from Diggs's camp. That seems a little optimistic to me. 486 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 3: But you got hurt in October. 487 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: Whether or not. I mean, it's it's very similar to 488 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 6: Kenrick Bourne in terms of timeline. It's not that far off. 489 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 6: I forget exactly the dates. I remember when Wes Welcome 490 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 6: to tours Aca in the last game of the year, 491 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 6: and he was ready. He the very last game of 492 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 6: the year in Houston, and he was ready at the 493 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 6: start of the following season, and the two you know, 494 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: twenty ten. Now he wasn't himself that year, but he 495 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 6: still had a terrific season. I wouldn't rule that out 496 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 6: that Diggs's camp is right with their optimism, but I 497 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 6: just would wonder what. 498 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: It looks like. That's why you like Calvin around a 499 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 4: little bit. 500 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 6: I mean, because I think you're going to get two 501 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 6: years out of this. I think this is really a 502 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 6: two year, twenty six million dollar contract with this again, 503 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 6: I just wanted so I think that's a great number. 504 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 4: I'm good with the money, like I got all the 505 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: people that are out about that stuff like hair. That's 506 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 4: all good to me like that. 507 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 6: And I always say I don't care about the money. 508 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 6: That doesn't mean I want to wildly overpay anybody. This 509 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 6: is a bargain, you know, this is an unbelievable bargain 510 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 6: because I I mean, he's only guaranteed twenty six million. 511 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 6: My guess is he's going to play two years. That's 512 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 6: thirteen million a year. When you know, what does that 513 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 6: put him? Does it even put him in like the 514 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 6: top thirty? 515 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 4: I doubt it. 516 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 6: For wide receivers, I think that's a great wee. 517 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 3: Well, it's more than that because twenty six is what's guaranteed. 518 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: But it's a sixty nine million I know. 519 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 6: But he's not going to get that. 520 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: I know. But if you. 521 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 6: Son, it's only twenty three three years, sixty nine is 522 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 6: twenty three million, that's a bargain. Yeah, that's bargain basement shopping. 523 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 6: That's great. It's a great deal for the page. 524 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's not what the premium receivers are 525 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 3: getting these days. 526 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: Right, risk I mean is. 527 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 6: There's a lot of risk. That's why you know, the 528 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 6: Patriots have taken on some risk that what if you know, 529 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 6: what if Evan and I are you know, sort of 530 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 6: worried about the depth of target and all the numbers 531 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 6: that Evan throughout there and those turn out to be valid. 532 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 6: He's just kind of a guy, you know, so you know, 533 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 6: twenty three million. But because so I don't just say 534 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 6: my long way of saying, like, I think they have 535 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 6: a great number two guy, but now right, and I 536 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 6: still think that they have a cap an enormous gap 537 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 6: with the number one year. 538 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: Well that's the well, the thing is if even if 539 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: he's not quite himself, he's still probably the best receiver. 540 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 6: On the is question, Yeah, there's no one close. 541 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, just thinking about the role 542 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 5: and what I expect him to do for their offense. 543 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 5: I think late career Julian Edelman is is like someplace 544 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 5: that I've sort of come to, uh, which will just 545 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 5: still very I mean one Super Bowl MVP, you know 546 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 5: it was second to last year, right, so I think 547 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: that something like that is still very tainable. Like he's 548 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 5: probably not gonna run by anybody anymore on the outside 549 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 5: at this stage of his career. But he's he's gonna 550 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 5: be able to run all those routes inside the formation 551 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: that McDaniels has used in the past. 552 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: So if the Patriots can figure out how to get 553 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: competent left tackle play this year, what's your ceiling for wins? 554 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: Ceiling? 555 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 6: I'm staying out of this one. Why because you get. 556 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: Mad at me, because you're gonna say four no, no. 557 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 6: No, no no. If they should be knocking on the 558 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 6: door of doubling. 559 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: Now I'm saying ten. 560 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 5: Wow. 561 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 6: Ceilings. That's why I stay on it. 562 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: Everything has to work right. Like I said, you get 563 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: you figure out who's gonna play left tackle, and the 564 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: play is competent. You know, your your guard, all your 565 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: other positions on the on the line pan out. Diggs 566 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: is is good, you know, if not great, he's the 567 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: best receiver on your team. All these you know, I 568 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: think you could win ten. Now here's the other thing 569 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up today. How many free agents 570 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: that the Patriots signed this off. 571 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: Like sixteen fourteen. 572 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: We've said this before. When the Patriots have signed several 573 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: you know, the chances of every free agent that any 574 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: team signs in an off season, working out and doing 575 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: well and not getting hurt is very slim. Not all 576 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 3: fourteen of these guys are going to either finish the 577 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: season or be the guy that we hope they are. 578 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: That's just a fact. Never in the history of the 579 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: NFL has a team that signed a bunch of free 580 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: agents every one of them, you know, panned out to 581 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: be exactly what you hope they would be. So we 582 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: just got to keep that in mind. Well you have 583 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: to keep that in mind. 584 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think too. You can look at this team 585 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 4: right now and I have my little depth chart right here. 586 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: I bought it for fancy. 587 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 6: Keeping color coded. Is it normal downstairs, Paul? 588 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: But you know, we're. 589 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: Before the draft right now, and I think the draft 590 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: is again hammer what I always hammer, Like that's where 591 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: you're really gonna I think, set your ceiling for wins 592 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: of you know, put Travis Hunter into this offense, like 593 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: you know then that makes me feel. But I think 594 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: your point about left tackle is valid and that's all 595 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: eyes on that now. 596 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: Yep. 597 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 6: I would say that they should be better because I 598 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 6: think Rabel is significantly better as a coach and the 599 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 6: schedule I think, I don't want to that. I think 600 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 6: is going to be significantly easier than it was last year. 601 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 6: But ten wins to me, is that's optimistic? 602 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: It is that's my ceiling. Yeah, that's my ceiling. 603 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 6: But it's an optimistic ceiling, is what I'm saying. 604 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: All Right, Okay, have a pessimistic ceiling, Fred. 605 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 6: Oh listening, pessimistic ceiling will be like six. 606 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: Well I was going to say five actually as the ceiling, 607 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: No as my oh oh, I'm sorry, pessimistic ceiling of five. 608 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 6: We're blowing it all out again next year. 609 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: Five is my pessimistic, pessimistic floor. Sorry, okay, my. 610 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 5: Optimistic I would say, I would with you on the floor. 611 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 8: Yeah. 612 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 6: I can't see them. I cannot see them only winning 613 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 6: four games. 614 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: My pessimistic ceiling is six or seven. 615 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 6: They're going to be better. I'm pretty confident that they'll 616 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 6: be better. I don't know if I'm going to say 617 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 6: six games better. 618 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 5: But I don't like making predictions until after the draft 619 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 5: because so much can change. But if they can get 620 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 5: competent left tackle play, then. 621 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: They get Travis Hunter, then I'm making for San Francisco. 622 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 5: But but things are operational on offense if they can 623 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 5: get a competent left tackle in the draft, Like if 624 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 5: you give Josh McDaniels these ingredients on offense and you 625 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: have a capable, you know, functional offensive line and the 626 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: weapons with Drake May, like he'll I'm not gonna say 627 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 5: he's gonna have a top five offense in the league, 628 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 5: but he'll have a respectable NFL offense with this group. 629 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 5: So I'm pretty optimistic about that. I just I don't 630 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: know it. We'll find out, you know, we'll find out 631 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 5: what Drake May is like in the clutch, We'll find 632 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 5: out what they if they can not beat themselves late 633 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 5: in games, you know, just across the board. You know, 634 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: we'll find out those types of things and that that's 635 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,719 Speaker 5: gonna be what we'll decide. 636 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 8: That. 637 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 6: See what I would say with the like the ten 638 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 6: being optimist, you know, really high, because I think that 639 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 6: we automatically say, like, well, I don't remember all the opponents, 640 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 6: but the Tennessee's, the Vegas is who else that you know, Carolina, 641 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 6: the Jets, and everybody says win win, win, win win. 642 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 6: I say, you're one of those teams, right, so it's 643 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 6: win loss win loss, win loss. Last year you lost 644 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 6: them all. I don't expect to lose them all. I 645 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 6: don't expect to lose to every game that's a toss up, 646 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 6: And it seemed like they lost every game that was 647 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 6: a toss up last year. So I just look at 648 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 6: it as you're probably gonna split, you know, the five 649 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 6: or six games that everybody right now says they should 650 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 6: beat that. The Giants, I think is one of the opponents. 651 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, Giants, R Falcons, Panthers. 652 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 6: Well, Falcons I think are better than them, but the Panther, Yeah, 653 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 6: the Steelers are better than them. The Browns, you know, 654 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 6: to Evan's point, we see what happens in the draft. 655 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 6: But I think you split those games. I don't think 656 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: you win them all. I think people that are like 657 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 6: talking about playoffs are just saying, well, they're gonna win 658 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 6: all those games. They're gonna beat Cleveland, they're gonna beat 659 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 6: the Raiders, they're gonna beat the Giants, they're going to 660 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 6: beat the If they do, then there will be a 661 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 6: playoff team. Then your ceiling comes true. But I don't 662 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 6: know how you go from where they are to that. 663 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 3: You got to have it, in my scenario, you got 664 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: to have one. If not two upsets. You know where 665 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: I'm saying. I know what you're saying, Paul, Like it 666 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: might be an upset to beat the Raiders. 667 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 6: But that's what I'm saying. 668 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: I have a lot of But I think like you 669 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: might have to beat Miami at least once in order 670 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: to get to ten. You might have to beat one 671 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 3: of the clearly better teams at least once in order 672 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: to get to ten, because you aren't going to be sure. 673 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 6: You know, they have done that in each of the 674 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 6: last two seasons. 675 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 3: Yea, But but and go fifty percent on the ones 676 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: that you should win or you know are. 677 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you can't. You know, Bengals is a bad example, 678 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: which you can't beat the Bengals and then lose to 679 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: the Jags. You know like that, It's just it doesn't 680 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 4: add up. But those will always be those games. That 681 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: will always be that one game where the other team's 682 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 4: quarterback is hurt or you know, big piece out. 683 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: Yep Al from Wisconsin writes in at podcasts at Patriots 684 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: dot com. Diggs has been a diva. Diggs being a 685 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: diva doesn't matter. Fact is the room was full of 686 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: outspoken divas last year. The difference thing go. The difference 687 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: is where that I can play. 688 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 6: I love that email. 689 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 4: That's fair. 690 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack from ann Aber writes, and what implications does 691 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: the signing of Stefan Diggs have on the Patriots approach 692 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 3: to the upcoming draft? 693 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Now that's my question. Did this feel a little reactionary 694 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: to you guys because Diggs was in the building. Nothing 695 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: really happened after that, and then the Giants go out 696 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: and sign quarterbacks and then it seemed like instantly, Okay, 697 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: now the deal's getting done to bring Diggs here. 698 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: I think that's what Antal. 699 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 6: It's a good point. I think before you were in 700 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 6: the majority. A lot of people believe what you just said. Alex. 701 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that before. I think it's coincidental. I mean, 702 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: he came for the visit. They didn't sign him immediately, 703 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: but the visit was what three days ago, you know, 704 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: was the beginning. 705 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 4: Of the week, right last week? 706 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 6: Wait, the Digs visit? Yeah, when weeks it was like 707 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 6: I think it was like two weeks ago. It was 708 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 6: before the NCAA tournament. 709 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: It was last last week, like yeah, Tuesday is yeah, so. 710 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: You know they were probably working on it. 711 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 6: It's a constructor. 712 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think they would have signed him 713 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: regardless of what the Giants did. 714 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 6: I don't see. I don't think get anything to do 715 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 6: with the Giants either. 716 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 4: But Wednesday in the nineteenth was the Dig's visit. 717 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 6: Okay, which today eight days ago, twelve days ago, today's. 718 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: Twenty seventh, is it? 719 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 6: Yeah? See, that's my problem. I mean, operating like it's 720 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 6: the thirtieth. 721 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 4: It's you're aniversary or anything coming up. 722 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 6: Is it no birthday? 723 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 5: Then I don't think it should change anything in the 724 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 5: draft to stance of the email. 725 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 6: So over a week anyway, you're borging. 726 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 5: Change because you have Stefan Diggs you know here, But 727 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 5: it's still taking changing. It's it's I hear what you're saying. 728 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: Is Travis Hunter realistically going to be there? 729 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 6: That's that's the theory. 730 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: Talking about. 731 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm saying to. 732 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: The throat doesn't change. You're saying it could change the 733 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: draft board, which is absolutely true. 734 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, yeah, I just you know. 735 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 5: Adam Schefter also went on yesterday on ESPN and said 736 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 5: that he thinks that the Browns are going to take 737 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: Abdul Carter. 738 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: Now I'm not. 739 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 5: Trying to throw bows, but Schefter's draft intel is like 740 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 5: not always h you know, one hundred percent. You know, 741 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 5: he's had some misses over the years in terms of 742 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 5: what he thinks is going to happen in the draft. 743 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 5: But he did sound pretty convinced about the one. You know, 744 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 5: I watched the clip and he sound pretty evinced about 745 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 5: Abdol Carter going to the Cleveland brown So if you 746 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 5: look at that, it just with what the Giants have 747 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 5: done at quarterback, and the Browns are telling you him 748 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 5: at least, that they're going to pass on Shador Like, 749 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 5: So the Browns are going to pass on Shador with 750 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 5: no quarterback, and then the Giants that have two veteran 751 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 5: quarterbacks under contract are going to draft Shadoor Like. I 752 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 5: just well, I don't really see that happens. 753 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 3: The thing you're leaving out is I think Tennessee desperately 754 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: wants to get out of number one. 755 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 6: I don't. 756 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: I don't think they're they're not sold on cam Ward. 757 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 5: I think they I think they feel pretty good about 758 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 5: cam Ward really yeah, And I and. 759 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: I don't know what about the report that they made 760 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 3: it clear to teams that they're willing to talk if 761 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: someone wants to give them a boatload, if you're sold 762 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: on a quarterback at one and you need a quarterback, 763 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: you're not moving off of that. 764 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 5: I think every I think we have those reports every draft. 765 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 3: I'm just asking you if so you believe that's just smoke. 766 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean I think a lot of things 767 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 5: are just smoke right now, But I don't think that 768 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 5: they're you know, in some dire laity. 769 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: I'm under the I'm under the my philosophy, he is, 770 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: if you're a team that needs a quarterback, there's a 771 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: quarterback there that you believe in. I want the world 772 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 3: to know that I believe in the quarterback, and I 773 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: want that quarterback to believe that I believe in him too, 774 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: so that when I pick him, he knows that he 775 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 3: has my full support. 776 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 6: Not there was a time where that guy was already 777 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 6: under contract exactly, the raft came exactly, It's not that 778 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 6: long ago. 779 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 9: But if you. 780 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: Really believe in him, then believe in them. Tell the 781 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: world you believe in them. Tell the world there is nothing. 782 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 5: But who knows where that report's coming from. 783 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm just saying. 784 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 6: Well, Berganzi said it, did he not that we're open 785 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 6: to talk. Didn't Boganzi say that at the combine. 786 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: By the way, I lost everyone who's listening to know 787 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: that I believe in this guy. He's our guy, and 788 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: and that's it. 789 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 6: No, I think they're going to take him. 790 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 3: I just I don't understand why you wouldn't. 791 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 6: I don't think they're sold. I think they've taken it 792 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 6: because they feel like they have to, But I don't 793 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 6: think they're sold on it. So I'm kind of with Fred, 794 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 6: but I think they're gonna end up taking cam Ward. 795 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 5: I just look at all the moves that all these 796 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 5: other teams have made, and we've been talking about this 797 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 5: for a while. All these other teams that are behind 798 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 5: the Titans are trying to run to any life raft 799 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 5: that is in Shador Sanders at quarterback. Like the Raiders 800 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 5: traded for a quarterback in Gino Smith, the Seahawks signed 801 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, the Steelers are flirting with Aaron Rodgers. The 802 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 5: Giants signed two veteran bridge quarterbacks, like all these teams 803 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 5: are just you know, the Saints brought back Derek Carr, 804 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 5: like they're all telling you no thanks to this quarterback, 805 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 5: to Shador in particular, and so maybe the Giants fall 806 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 5: in love with him. Maybe the Browns fall in love 807 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 5: with him still. But I think it's just as likely 808 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 5: that Shador has a slide in the draft ye as 809 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 5: it is that he goes too overall in this draft. 810 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 5: And if you're the Patriots, I think either way, if 811 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 5: he goes two to the Browns, I think the Giants 812 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 5: are going to take Travis Hunter. So it's a consolation 813 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 5: to me, but it's still a good pick to take 814 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 5: Abdul Carter. But it looks to me like all these 815 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 5: teams are scared to Shador, whether it's Dion, whether it's 816 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 5: the talent, whatever the case may be. I don't think 817 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 5: any of these teams are are definitely sold on Shudor 818 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 5: right now. 819 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 6: And you asked about smoke with some of these comments 820 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 6: that are coming out about Tennessee. I believe smoke with Schefter. 821 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 6: I think continuing to say that the Giants is still 822 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 6: interested in Sanders, I think that is to help Dean Sanders. 823 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 6: I think you're trying to interests. Make sure that you 824 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 6: know he's not sliding, he's not falling, you know who's 825 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 6: uh So we talked about this yesterday, you know, off air, 826 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 6: and you know, you get beyond the Patriots and you 827 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 6: get Patriots, Jags, Wis it's you know, the Jets are 828 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 6: a possibility there and then New Orleans I think would 829 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 6: be a possibility. Those are both in the top ten nine, right, 830 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 6: It's it's like six and nine or seven and nine 831 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 6: something like that. You know, Jacksonville is not going to 832 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 6: take you know, Sanders, but Caroline is probably not going 833 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 6: to take Sanders, but the Jets or the Saints could. 834 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 6: And I think Scheft is trying to do a solid 835 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 6: to a guy like Dion who there's some value in 836 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 6: having him as an ally. Let's face it, I don't 837 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 6: believe for a second that the Giants signed two veteran 838 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 6: quarterbacks and they're still going to take the rookie. Now, 839 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 6: maybe they will, and I've been wrong about a million things. 840 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 6: That'll be the next one. 841 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 4: That's an amazing room. I mean, Jameis Winston and Russell 842 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 4: Wilson in the same room as just comedy Gold, I 843 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 4: would think, I mean, content wise, they're set. I would 844 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 4: say the content team is like, we don't need another quarterback. 845 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 4: We're all good. We're gonna get everything that we need. 846 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 5: From the Schefter point of view, Let's also not forget 847 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 5: that ESPN broadcast the draft, and they have short skin 848 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 5: in the game to make the draft interesting, right, And 849 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 5: it's more inherently interesting when it's a quarterback draft than 850 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 5: when it's not a quarterback draft. Like last year is 851 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 5: a home run draft for the networks. Right, you have 852 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 5: three quarterbacks at the top of the draft that everybody loves, 853 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 5: and then you have all these other quarterbacks too that 854 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 5: end up going early. Like that's a jackpot of a draft. 855 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 5: So to say, the Giants said they still could take 856 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 5: sha door, like don't your TV when they're on the 857 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 5: clock at three? 858 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 3: Overall could be I would like this this year is 859 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: even more intriguing because last year Caleb Williams was he 860 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 3: was a bear before the draft that was done. It 861 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 3: was a done deal. 862 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 5: There's just a lot of the quarterback star power I 863 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 5: think is it really moves the needle when it comes 864 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 5: to the broadcasting stuff. And then I would also just 865 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 5: say that you know we all you know Fred you 866 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 5: always say like we always come back to the beginning, right, 867 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 5: like we have a take in January and you get 868 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 5: put into the draft machine, all these rumors and all 869 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 5: this smoke screens start going crazy and then by the 870 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 5: time April rolls back around. We're right back to where 871 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 5: we started. And the reporting when we started was that 872 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 5: Shador Sanders is not one of those types of quarterbacks. 873 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 5: He is not a top three draft pick in a 874 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 5: normal NFL draft at that position, and I just I 875 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 5: can't help but think that the rest of the of 876 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 5: the league sees that. 877 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 3: I'll go I'll go even further, and listen, I could 878 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 3: be wrong. I wasn't into it the way you and 879 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,439 Speaker 3: Barth was, but I. 880 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 6: Thought I didn't think anybody is. Yeah, I thought on 881 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 6: anything I thought. 882 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 3: At the beginning. People even weren't talking about cam Ward 883 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 3: as a top pick, as I recall, they were not 884 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 3: at the gate, not really they were not, I. 885 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 5: Would say, maybe not as the number one overall pick. 886 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 5: But I think there was a pretty big consensus that 887 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 5: he would go early. I don't think necessarily it was 888 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 5: a lock that he was going to go one at 889 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 5: the time. But Shador has a lot of, you know, 890 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 5: evaluations all over the map, and I think most people 891 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 5: feel comfortable with him in that like Mac Jones, Kenny 892 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 5: Pickett range of like fifteen. 893 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 3: To twenty versus. I think if the Titans pick Ward, 894 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 3: it's a shotgun marriage. I really think so. I think 895 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: they're going to do with kicking and screen. 896 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think I agree with you. I don't 897 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 6: think they want to take him, but I feel like 898 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 6: they probably feel like they have to. 899 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 3: What if What if the Panthers trade Trevor Lawrence for 900 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: a boatload and then they take Sanders the Jags, I 901 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 3: mean the Jags. 902 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't see that happening. No, who knows. 903 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 3: But wasn't that kind of a rumor that, oh they 904 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 3: look they were, you know, field calls from your building calls. 905 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 3: I don't remember that one calls from fielding as. 906 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 6: I'm not telling you that that didn't happen. 907 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 2: They're talking about them being open to moving Trevor Lawrence. 908 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 2: You don't know if it was just conversation, if it 909 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 2: was an actual report. 910 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 4: But I thought wishful thinking. You're trying to get them. 911 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 6: Wow, Alex is elbowing into my territory of speaking. 912 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 3: Fred David New Hampshire says, I hope he's excited to 913 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 3: get uh that Diggs is excited to light up his 914 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 3: old team twice a year. 915 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 6: Let's go. We got a guy, right which one? You 916 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 6: a lot of teams now. 917 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, this is four Okay, this is this 918 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 3: is four five Collins A five five Pats five hundred 919 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 3: the aicket hot. Fine, people holding on. Let's see who 920 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,479 Speaker 3: was first. We'll go with Kyle and Cali Fork. 921 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 6: Hey, Kyle, you haven't even had a yetdo yet? 922 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 3: Again? I'm thinking of one. What's up, Kyle? You're there. 923 00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 5: You didn't click on it? 924 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 3: I didn't click on it. Okay, there you go, Kyle. 925 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 8: Do you hear me? Now? 926 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 3: We sure can? 927 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 10: Hey guys, yeah, I everyone kind of covered everything I 928 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 10: want to talk about. Dig comeing in the locker room. Uh, 929 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 10: leadership wise, I don't think he's singing songs with everyone, 930 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 10: but I think that's for the best. 931 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 8: You know, we need. 932 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 10: Someone that's gonna be I want to say, a bully. 933 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 11: But. 934 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 10: Get everyone motivated and start. 935 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 8: Contributing to the team. Uh. 936 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 10: The other thing I want to say is, you know, 937 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 10: the wide receiver room is getting crowded right now, and 938 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 10: I don't really see the point in going after receiver 939 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 10: in the second third round when the traits they have 940 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 10: or Kyle simmeld with. 941 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 8: Some of the guys we have in here. 942 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 12: So I just want to see if you guys think 943 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 12: who's on that out in that wide receiver room? 944 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 6: Thanks all right, thank you? 945 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 5: Dis Yeah, I mean they have seven guys right now 946 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 5: in that wide receiver room. I think Matt Collins probably 947 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 5: safe to say it's going to make the tea. 948 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's safe to say Polkin is too. 949 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 6: But my point being, I'm not so sure about that one. 950 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 6: Where are you getting like it's kind of a crowded room. 951 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 6: Don't mistake numbers with talent. 952 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 3: Every room is crowded. 953 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 5: Credit last year by train. 954 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 6: How many wide receivers are on the roster now, Mike 955 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 6: nine or ten? 956 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 4: It's actually nine? 957 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, nine, I think nine receives. 958 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 4: Don't quite Jackson and John Giles don't. 959 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 6: Confuse are they don't confuse all those guys with Okay, 960 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 6: we're not going to take if there's a wide receiver, 961 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 6: you know, if my guy from Iowa State, Jayden Higgins, 962 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 6: they don't have that kind of a profile receiver. I 963 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 6: take that in a blink. 964 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's ideally. We were talking about 965 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 5: this on catch twenty two, just getting some size and 966 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 5: speed on the outside because I think Diggs is going 967 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 5: to be more of that movable piece and play a 968 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 5: little bit more in the slot than maybe he did 969 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 5: it early on in his career. Pop Douglas is obviously 970 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 5: going to be a full time slot guy when he's 971 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 5: on the field, So getting somebody that can really play 972 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 5: outside and maybe bring some speed. It's not really Jaden 973 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 5: Higgins in the speed department, but he certainly has the 974 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 5: size department. 975 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 6: Just to ask a very simple question, do you think 976 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 6: it's not possible to get a guy in the second 977 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 6: or third round who's better than Kaishan Boudi or Jalen 978 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 6: Polk or Javon Baker or Jamario Douglas. 979 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 5: I also just think you got to keep throwing darts right, 980 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 5: like you know you. 981 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 4: Need to get better the top one hundred darts. I 982 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 4: think I hear what you're saying. I don't need fourth, fifth, sixth, 983 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 4: seventh round flyers on wide receivers like you got plenty 984 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 4: of guys like in that range. No, I have those, 985 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 4: you know, But your point, I guess the second, third 986 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 4: round you love the guy. 987 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 6: One of the atolastics. But I'm not saying just take 988 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 6: one for the sake of taking one. But I trust 989 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 6: that the evaluations here of my guys Mike and Evan 990 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 6: who do you know, a lot of this work. If 991 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 6: if there's a guy that they like, and I remember 992 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 6: how they reacted last year when they took a guy, 993 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 6: So if there's a guy that they like and they 994 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 6: take him, I'm going to be excited about it. Yeah, 995 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 6: I think that they need an upgrade there. 996 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 5: There's a couple of like early day three guys that 997 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 5: I do think would just check boxes in terms of 998 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 5: the skills that they're missing, Like Dante Thornton from Tennessee, 999 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 5: who is just a size speed burner on the outside. 1000 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 5: Like even though he might be a little bit raw 1001 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 5: and it might not be like a you know, he's 1002 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 5: probably gonna be a Kisehan Boody type in terms of production. 1003 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 5: Like I'm not going to sit here and say he's 1004 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 5: going to catch a hundred passes, but he might bring 1005 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 5: a skill set to the room that they don't have 1006 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 5: with the other guys. Is a six foot you know 1007 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 5: plus guy that can run a four to three, Like 1008 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 5: they don't really have that player on the team. That's 1009 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 5: the traits, right, But if you go earlier in the draft, 1010 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 5: you know, I think that speed is the one thing 1011 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,760 Speaker 5: that I'm looking for right now. Obviously ideally paired with size. 1012 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 5: But even a guy like you know, Dus and I 1013 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 5: both like Isaiah Bond a lot from Texas. You know, 1014 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 5: he can really fly. Jalen Royals from Utah State, he 1015 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,240 Speaker 5: can really fly. You know, those guys that can really run. 1016 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 5: I think is what they're missing because right now it's 1017 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 5: going to be Diggs and Henry at the sticks, and 1018 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 5: then what what's past that? Right what's over the top? 1019 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 3: And I think you need that, Adam and Louisiana says. 1020 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 3: I don't think the Giants front office and coach passing 1021 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 3: Shador Sanders. They've hitched their wagon to Russell Wilson because 1022 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 3: they know they have to win some games this year. 1023 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 3: If they win games this year and keep their jobs, 1024 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 3: they'll be out of contention for a top quarterback next year. 1025 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 3: They have not been able to trade up for a 1026 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 3: quarterback to two straight drafts, so that's probably out as well. 1027 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't think Wilson or Winston are viable long term options, 1028 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 3: so they need to get a quarterback of the future 1029 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 3: this year. They could shoot for the moon with Milroe 1030 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 3: and try to develop him, but I think they want 1031 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 3: the safer option that will be able to win games 1032 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 3: sooner rather than later. So that's a good point. 1033 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 6: Like so not to me. 1034 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 3: You know, if they do better this year, if they 1035 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 3: do better this year and Russell Wilson wins them seven 1036 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 3: or eight games, then they're not gonna be in position 1037 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 3: to get the quarterback for net. 1038 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 6: But at least they have a job and they can 1039 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 6: pick somebody next year. If they picture Door Sanders and 1040 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 6: win three or four games, they're gone. 1041 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, well what if they picture Door Sanders but 1042 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 3: he doesn't play this year, It's still. 1043 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 6: You're not gonna win seven or eight games. You need 1044 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,720 Speaker 6: to get a player that's gonna help you win games. 1045 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 3: No, I know, But but does it buy them some 1046 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 3: life knowing we got Shad Or Sanders next year, he's gonna. 1047 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 6: Be the only thing I would say to that is 1048 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 6: something that you said off the air yesterday or our 1049 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 6: conversation about maybe there's a pre existing arrangement that Mara 1050 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 6: has talked to Dable and Shane and say, listen, I 1051 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 6: understand we're in a tough spot. We need to find 1052 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 6: a quarterback of the future. You guys feel some desperation, 1053 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 6: don't worry about the desperation. You coach a good let's 1054 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 6: put put a good product on the field, let's improve, 1055 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 6: let's get better. And if if take Sanders as our 1056 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 6: quarterback in the future and we don't win enough games, 1057 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 6: that's okay, you guys will be back. I don't see 1058 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 6: that happening, don't. I don't see a situation like that. 1059 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 5: Well, I disagree with the point that you said that, Like, 1060 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 5: how are they winning all these games if they don't 1061 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,879 Speaker 5: use their the third overall pick on the play? 1062 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 6: Exactly? You need that player to win games, right. 1063 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 5: You know, if he's gonna sit, if the Shaudor is 1064 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 5: gonna sit on the bench the entire year, so that 1065 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 5: pick is basically worthless for twenty twenty. 1066 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 6: The Falcons us right, what are you gonna do? Dangerous? 1067 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 5: You know, if you add Travis Hunter to that team 1068 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 5: and he can play corner, I think probably predominantly for them, 1069 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 5: but he can also play with Malik Neighbors a little 1070 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 5: bit on offense. Like now, you can talk yourself into 1071 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 5: the Giants being viable, but I don't see how they're 1072 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 5: viable if they don't pick somebody they're at number three 1073 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 5: that helps them this year. And maybe this quarterback class, 1074 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 5: you know, isn't great at the top, But I do 1075 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,760 Speaker 5: think there are some dart throws. You mentioned Milroe Jackson, 1076 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 5: Jackson dart will Will Howard from Ohio State that my 1077 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 5: shuck could be Yeah, Tyler shuckche years. 1078 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,720 Speaker 6: Of college football. 1079 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 5: Upside guys, right, like guys that you know, they could 1080 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 5: be Jalen Hurts, like Milroe could be Jalen Hurts. 1081 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 4: Do you think the Giants regret taking Neighbors last year 1082 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 4: and not trying to take Pennix or Nixt, Like, is 1083 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 4: that something you look back on, like, of. 1084 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 3: Course they have to. 1085 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, I wouldn't, but they might. 1086 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 4: It's just hard. You just see how they're kind of stuck. 1087 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 4: And I think the Patriots that worked out with Drake 1088 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 4: May that they got the third overall pick and ye 1089 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 4: where they were three good quarterbacks. And you see even 1090 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 4: this year with the Patriots, it hasn't you know, we 1091 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 4: don't know how it's gonna work out, but it's still 1092 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 4: you see, it just has to line up right, and 1093 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 4: they could be stuck like the point generally, like you 1094 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,919 Speaker 4: could just kind of be stuck in a cycle where 1095 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 4: you know, it's like the Steelers. 1096 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 6: And I would just say that top guy, and no, 1097 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 6: there's no question about it with regard to the Giants, 1098 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 6: But back to you know something, you know we talked 1099 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 6: about that Evan talked about with the actions of all 1100 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 6: the teams are telling you they're not they don't believe 1101 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 6: in Sanders, right, because everybody's falling over themselves to find 1102 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 6: some semblance of a veteran, even one with tremendous flaws 1103 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 6: like Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. They're all trying to 1104 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 6: find those guys rather than roll the dice on Sanders. 1105 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 6: If the Giants were convinced that Sanders was the quarterback 1106 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 6: of the future, they just they just would have taken them. 1107 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 6: They wouldn't have wasted resources on two veteran quarterbacks. Maybe 1108 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 6: they still sign Winston, but adding both of them, to me, 1109 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 6: makes no sense if you're going to then take a 1110 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 6: quarterback and I so let's let's go. Let's play it 1111 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 6: out the way the emailer did you So this season unfolds, 1112 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 6: they need a quarterback next year. I think that you 1113 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 6: could have the same situation with what Evan said. If 1114 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 6: you take a quarterback on day two, you still have 1115 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 6: a guy who may or may not be the quarterback 1116 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 6: of the future, just like you would have if you 1117 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 6: had taken Sanders. I don't think there's really that much difference. 1118 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 5: I think the only argument that the Giants would still 1119 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 5: take Sanders is that they sign these quarterbacks because they 1120 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 5: don't know what Cleveland is going to do. Right, So 1121 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,919 Speaker 5: if Cleveland takes Sanders, then they would be left without 1122 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 5: a chair, right, they wouldn't have anybody to pick insurance, 1123 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 5: it's double insurance. Basically, they have a very high premium. 1124 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 8: Right. 1125 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 6: I could listen to that. That's that's a fair point. 1126 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 5: That that I think is the only argument for it. 1127 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,240 Speaker 5: But all the reporting and again it's it's. 1128 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 6: That's a fair that's a fair point. I just look 1129 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 6: at the money invested if they were interested in Sanders. 1130 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 6: And first of all, I don't think Cleveland's going to 1131 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 6: take a quarterback. I think their actions are telling you 1132 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 6: they're not going to take a quarterback. I would argue 1133 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 6: that they have a better stopgap guy already in place 1134 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 6: than the Giants do and Kenny Pickett, And I don't 1135 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 6: think Kenny Pickett's is the answer by any means. But 1136 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 6: Russell Wilson is washed. 1137 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 4: Winston too. 1138 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 6: Jameis Winston never could play, so he's not really even 1139 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 6: an option, and I think lunatic, and I think the 1140 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 6: Browns are going to double down on the cashed guys 1141 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 6: and end up with Kirk Cousins. But Cousins won't start, won't. 1142 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 5: Sign until after the draft. 1143 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 6: Right. Cousins said he's not going to sign until after 1144 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 6: the draft because he doesn't want to get pennixed again. 1145 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 6: So I don't think the Cleveland's going to take a quarterback, 1146 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 6: and I think the Giants and the Giants are going 1147 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 6: to have the pick of Sanders or whichever one of 1148 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,800 Speaker 6: Carter Hunter doesn't get taken by Cleveland. 1149 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, all I know is that the clip that's going 1150 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 5: around of Adam Schefter last night, Matt Miller, their draft guru, 1151 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 5: is giving the take about how what the Patriots would 1152 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 5: do if Hunter Carter falls to them at four. You 1153 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 5: know how great that would be for the page you 1154 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 5: have to give that, and and Chefters on the other 1155 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 5: side of the screen being like, Abdul Carter is not falling, 1156 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400 Speaker 5: and he like was very adamant about it. 1157 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 6: I cannot believe how many mock drafts I've seen with 1158 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 6: Abdul Carter at four to the Patriots, and I cannot 1159 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,439 Speaker 6: imagine that The. 1160 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 3: Only way that can happen is if the two quarterbacks 1161 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,720 Speaker 3: get taken and then. 1162 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 6: And then someone takes Hunter over Carter. I think will 1163 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,760 Speaker 6: be crazy. 1164 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 3: I think it makes us crazy. 1165 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 6: I think I. 1166 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 5: Think it makes a lot of sense for the Giants. 1167 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 5: Like the Giants have Kevon Thibodeaux and Brian Burns already 1168 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 5: on defense. They paid both those guys a lot of 1169 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 5: money to rush the passer. They have nothing in the secondary, 1170 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 5: and they just have Molik Neighbors on offense. So it 1171 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 5: just from a roster construction standpoint, I think he makes 1172 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 5: a lot more sense for the Giants than Abdul Carter. Like, now, 1173 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 5: Abdul Carter, you got three edge rushers and nothing else. 1174 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 6: No, I get that, But I just think he's so 1175 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,399 Speaker 6: much better than I don't. 1176 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it's crazy. Chris wants to know. Can 1177 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 3: Evan explain how Hollins is a lock? He'll be thirty 1178 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 3: two and has never really been more productive than Born. 1179 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 3: Also doesn't have the upside that Baker has. How is 1180 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 3: he not the odd man out? 1181 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 5: Well, they just signed him and that doesn't always mean everything. 1182 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 5: But when you just sign a free agent and you 1183 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 5: give him some guaranteed money. You don't normally cut those guys. 1184 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,840 Speaker 6: It's extremely rare. 1185 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,839 Speaker 5: Unless they give you a real reason to cut them. 1186 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 5: I think the other thing with Matt Collins is just 1187 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 5: he's got some size, he's got some speed, he can 1188 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 5: play on the outside, and he does the dirty work. 1189 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 5: You know, he's gonna block, and he's gonna do all 1190 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 5: those little things that don't show up on a box score. 1191 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 5: And they're probably thinking he's a nice number three receiver, 1192 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 5: maybe a number four receiver in an ideal world that 1193 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 5: isn't gonna demand targets, that isn't going to demand attention, 1194 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 5: and all they. 1195 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 6: Gonna block, he's gonna play on special teams, he's gonna 1196 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 6: do all the things that they think a yeah. 1197 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 5: So he's gonna be that guy. He's gonna be the 1198 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,439 Speaker 5: utility man of that room. I just I don't see 1199 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,399 Speaker 5: there a way that he is not on this team 1200 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 5: unless he goes into training camp and is completely. 1201 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 3: Eric in Lakeville. Earlier in the week, Evan expressed his 1202 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 3: disappointment that the Patriots didn't make the DK Metcalf trade. 1203 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 3: Now that they've signed Diggs, I'd like to ask the panel, 1204 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 3: would you rather have paid the price to acquire metcalf 1205 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,760 Speaker 3: second round pick plus that contract, or do you prefer 1206 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 3: the dig signing. 1207 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,320 Speaker 5: I would rather trade for Dk Metcalf. 1208 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 6: Metcalf I like now ideally I would say both because 1209 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 6: they could have done both. But if you're asking me 1210 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 6: to choose one or the other, I would have taken. 1211 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 3: I like not having to give up the second. 1212 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too. I think I'm with you. Fred. 1213 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 2: I also just like having someone that actually wants to 1214 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 2: come here, like and not chasing. People are very on 1215 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 2: the record. 1216 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 5: About not I mean, I think when going to buy. 1217 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 4: It, huh, I will hook line were limited even I 1218 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,879 Speaker 4: just had a feeling about New England special plays. I'm 1219 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 4: excited to be here. 1220 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 6: And Mike's gonna be like I have. He couldn't have 1221 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 6: been more wrong. 1222 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 5: I mean, DK is better, younger, big, like yeah, like healthier. 1223 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 5: I just h and by the way, very but I understand. 1224 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 6: I just we're Diggs is a better player. Like Diggs's 1225 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 6: career is better than I think Metcalf will ever be. 1226 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 6: Diggs is going to have the better career I would. 1227 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 6: I'm not trying to say all of a sudden, but 1228 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,360 Speaker 6: Diggs is close to the end of it because I know, 1229 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 6: you know, you always make moune of me for arguing 1230 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 6: before it happens. I know how this is going to play. 1231 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 6: Of course, the Patriots got the guy. So now Paul 1232 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 6: says Diggs is no, Digs is way better than Metcalf. 1233 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 6: What Like, that's what I'm saying. His career, his prime 1234 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 6: was better than Metcalf will be. But right now I 1235 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 6: would take Metcalf. 1236 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 4: But how great would they be together? I mean to 1237 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 4: your point both, Like, I mean what you're talking about 1238 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 4: still having that outside guy in Metcalf with the size 1239 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 4: and the speed and drawing coverage, and then you got 1240 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 4: Digs working underneath with whatever's leftover. 1241 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 6: I mean, some people are saying they can't take a 1242 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 6: wide receiver in the second round. They would make the team, 1243 00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 6: So that second round pick, you could just have a dig. 1244 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 6: I just mean Metcalf. 1245 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 5: I always think of it like, I think it's harder 1246 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 5: to defend a guy like DK Metcalf at this stage 1247 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 5: because of just the downfield ability. Like if you're a 1248 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, I feel like that kind of guy keeps 1249 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 5: you up at night a little bit longer than Stefan 1250 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 5: Diggs at this stage of his career, like. 1251 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 4: Especially if you blow the coverage. 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Matt Smith along with Paul Purlo and 1291 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,200 Speaker 16: please to be joined by the newly inducted member of 1292 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 16: the Patriot Hall of Fame number seventy five in your program. 1293 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 16: I don't know if seventy five would fit on them now, Paul, 1294 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 16: mister Vince Wilfork, Vince, you look tremendous. 1295 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 8: Thank you. 1296 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 9: I think aside forty eight might do. Yeah, forty eight. 1297 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,439 Speaker 9: Now do you set a fifty six? 1298 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 3: Do you? 1299 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 16: Does it feel normal like to be more like a 1300 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 16: normal human being as opposed to you know, one of 1301 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 16: you played. 1302 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 9: You know what the most amazing thing for me now 1303 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 9: is I can go basically in if they have a 1304 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 9: two X, I can fit it, you know. And that's 1305 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 9: I haven't had that since I was in sixth grade, 1306 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,760 Speaker 9: you know. So it's a little different. But at the 1307 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 9: same time, I feel good, my body feel good, I'm healthy, 1308 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 9: and I've just been enjoying life. 1309 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 16: That's last year in the Hall of Fame ceremony when 1310 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 16: Richard went in, Bruski was there, and Bruski there was 1311 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 16: a panel discussion and it was Ty Warren, Willie McGuinness 1312 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,160 Speaker 16: and Richard Seymour and Bruske goes, let me stand behind them, 1313 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 16: and he stood behind them for a second. He goes, 1314 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,520 Speaker 16: nobody can see me, and he comes up in between 1315 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 16: me goes, what do you think it was like playing 1316 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 16: linebacker when these guys were here? Yes, you guys did 1317 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 16: all the work. Rabel, Bruceki, etc. They just s you, 1318 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 16: they cleaned up. Thanks for what you guys did. 1319 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, we you know. And this is two gapping isn't fun. 1320 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 9: I means you have to be a man to be 1321 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 9: able too gap and if you really want to see 1322 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 9: what type of players you have and how tough and 1323 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 9: if you have some dogs or that make them two gap. 1324 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 9: Because I remember talking with Randy Moss before and I 1325 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 9: was explaining him about two gap, between two gap and 1326 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,440 Speaker 9: then four to three penning trading. I said, listen, Randy, 1327 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 9: I can put you in the nine technique, in the 1328 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 9: one gap, and you can get the job done. Who 1329 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 9: you are right there, You can get the job done. 1330 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 9: You don't have to touch nobody. You could just run 1331 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 9: up feel and you just try to find the ball. 1332 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 9: You can do that, I say, But if I put 1333 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 9: you in the five where you got to put hands 1334 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 9: on somebody control two gaps, that changes. So I say, yeah, 1335 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 9: a lot of guys get a lot of credit and 1336 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 9: a lot of recognition of these quarterback sacks and just 1337 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 9: running the field. I say, but what we did, it 1338 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 9: takes a real man to do that, and not only 1339 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 9: once you talking about for sixty minutes, You talking about 1340 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 9: for a season, and you talk about for a career. 1341 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 9: So time and time and time and time. We don't 1342 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 9: get no plays off. If it's a pass play, we rushing, 1343 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 9: we banging their heads, run play, we fighting, doubles, triple 1344 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 9: we butting head. If you one gaping, you can run 1345 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 9: on the air and don't have to touch her soul. 1346 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 9: You know, if you one gap him, if if God 1347 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 9: meant misses their block with you, you scott free. You 1348 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,480 Speaker 9: only got that one gap to worry about. But if 1349 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 9: you telling me you can't run around this guy, you 1350 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 9: got to go through him. You gotta control this. You 1351 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 9: got to knock him back. And you got these two 1352 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 9: gaps day in and day out. That's defense? 1353 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 6: What and but what's sexier? 1354 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 3: And what? 1355 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 17: We know? 1356 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 3: What? What? 1357 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,440 Speaker 4: What are the guys look at? 1358 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 6: You know? Paid ever any resentment? 1359 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 12: Mean? 1360 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 6: Did you guys ever go to Bill and just say hey, 1361 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 6: you know, just hey, we got the lead here, you know, 1362 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 6: turn the sluice a little bit here. 1363 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 9: No, Bill done it good? He you know what, Bill 1364 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 9: used to give us some bones here, and we got 1365 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 9: to a point where Bill trusted us enough, you know, 1366 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 9: and Bill knew what he had. Bill knew he had 1367 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 9: three first rounds, basically for a first rounder with Jarvis 1368 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 9: yes up there, that we can control the game. Once 1369 01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 9: we get to a level in the game, he can 1370 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 9: let us lose and he can give us a bomb. 1371 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,480 Speaker 9: We had some plays where he'll call just for us, 1372 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 9: just to get us exciting, you know. So I wouldn't 1373 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 9: never say Bill never, you know, didn't unleash us. 1374 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:10,880 Speaker 1: He have. 1375 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 9: And it was games where Bill come in there and say, 1376 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 9: straight up, listen, this game gonna be one up front. 1377 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 9: If y'all can't win, we lose. He told us straight up, 1378 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,960 Speaker 9: if you guys can't do this, we lose. He wasn't 1379 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,040 Speaker 9: nothing about Tom, he wasn't nothing about no office, He 1380 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 9: wasn't nothing about scoring points. He told us straight up, 1381 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 9: if you three can't do this, we won't win. 1382 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 16: Well, I've got one that's probably gonna come up on Saturday. 1383 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,760 Speaker 16: And only because I was talking to him and it 1384 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 16: was a timate of yours and Devin told me that 1385 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,479 Speaker 16: you said before the ravens AFC Championship game. It wasn't 1386 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 16: Bill saying it, He said you said it, And you said, guys, 1387 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 16: this one's on us. The front seven, we got the 1388 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 16: run covered. Yeah, it was Cedric Maxwell. Jump on my back, 1389 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 16: he said, jump on my back. I'm gonna take care 1390 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 16: of you guys. And he said the next day after 1391 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 16: the win, that Bill was in the auditorium going over 1392 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,000 Speaker 16: the tape and he looks and he just circled. He goes, 1393 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,240 Speaker 16: this is a dominating performance twenty eleven. As to Championship 1394 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 16: Game eleven, tackles a couple of sacks. I mean, that's 1395 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 16: that's putting your money where your mouth is. Do you 1396 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 16: think of that when you look back at your career, Vince, 1397 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 16: as one of your best games. 1398 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,360 Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I like that game because of what it 1399 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 9: meant for us. You know, we was coming up against 1400 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 9: a team that we always is a grind. We knew 1401 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 9: it was going to be physical. We knew they wasn't 1402 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 9: going to lay down they We knew that they was 1403 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 9: gonna match whatever we put on the field. But in 1404 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,200 Speaker 9: my mindset, it was like, listen, we better than them. 1405 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,360 Speaker 9: This is our home turf, and we got assured playing 1406 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 9: and simple, it's nothing else to talk about. So I 1407 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 9: knew going into what it meant, and I knew how 1408 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,120 Speaker 9: much the team looked up to me, and they listen 1409 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,920 Speaker 9: when I speak. So I had to always be careful 1410 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 9: of what I say when I say things, because I 1411 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 9: know they're gonna they're gonna take what I said, and 1412 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 9: this is how it's gonna be. But I knew that game. 1413 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,400 Speaker 9: I'm like, listen here, they're not gonna beat us, because 1414 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 9: we're gonna win. Up front, we don't want, we don't 1415 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,440 Speaker 9: want you guys back there worrying about to run. And 1416 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 9: we got this. I don't care if it's seven in 1417 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 9: the box or six in the box, because it was 1418 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 9: times where we had six men in the biy and 1419 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 9: we used to call it big. Bill, tell us, you 1420 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 9: guys have to play big. We won short, okay, Coach, 1421 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 9: not a problem. If that's the game plan, we would 1422 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,600 Speaker 9: do that. And I just knew how important that game 1423 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 9: was for us as an organization, as a patriot, for 1424 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 9: our fans, and being in front of our crowd, you know. 1425 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,960 Speaker 9: And I always looked over there too. They had ed reed, 1426 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 9: they had you know, Ray Lewis, they had a Loanada, 1427 01:04:53,080 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 9: they had a squad. So I'm saying it's us versus y'all. 1428 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 9: I don't care what you do offensively, Tom, I really 1429 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 9: don't care. It's us versus Ray and his defense period 1430 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,560 Speaker 9: and what happened. 1431 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,360 Speaker 6: Right, So when you go, you know, Randy Shannon told 1432 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 6: you you're going to be the first to win a ring. 1433 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 6: You win it as a rookie. 1434 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 3: Oh, this is. 1435 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 6: Easy, And they say this with all the respects, and 1436 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 6: I don't want to come off as a spoiled little Bostonian. 1437 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,680 Speaker 6: Who Oh I had to wait ten years before I 1438 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 6: got another typle? How was that ten years? Like from 1439 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 6: four to fourteen? 1440 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 9: You said it, Yeah, because that's the first thing I said. 1441 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 9: I win it my first year. Because you got to 1442 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 9: realize when I get down the University of Miami my 1443 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 9: first year, we win it, right, we win it. The 1444 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 9: next year we go back Ohio State, we lost that. 1445 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 9: We all know what that is. So here I am, 1446 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 9: my first year in the league as a rookie. I 1447 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 9: win another one. So to me winning easy And guess 1448 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 9: what I've lost? What three game? Four game in college? 1449 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,920 Speaker 9: So it's like I'm used to winning. It's going to 1450 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,439 Speaker 9: happen all the time. Year one go by, we don't 1451 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 9: make it. Your two go by, we don't make it 1452 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,320 Speaker 9: your three we go by. So now I'm scratching my hair. 1453 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 9: I'm like, man, jeez, I thought that's gonna be easy, 1454 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 9: you know. So you start appreciate what you've done and 1455 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 9: what you've accomplished, and how hard it. 1456 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,160 Speaker 16: Is to win because the other guys you're getting paid too. 1457 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's like, okay, it ain't that easy, you know. 1458 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,919 Speaker 9: So I had to humble myself, like Okay, this don't 1459 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,919 Speaker 9: come by all the time like that. So that's why 1460 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 9: what I would say to the Patriots fans is this, 1461 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,840 Speaker 9: for two decades, we ran the NFL. Nobody would never 1462 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 9: see this again while we're living. I truly believe that 1463 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,640 Speaker 9: we ran it. We need to appreciate what's been done 1464 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 9: and how it's how it was done over these past 1465 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 9: two decades. 1466 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 16: Can you now that? 1467 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: And now great moments history? 1468 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 3: I don't know about that. 1469 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 5: I have to disagree respectfull. 1470 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 3: Uh Tom from Connecticut rites and do you think the 1471 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 3: Patriots o line was overrated the last few years? It 1472 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 3: was just average, but was being helped greatly by Brady. 1473 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 3: Just curious on your thoughts. 1474 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 6: I do think Brady Brady greatly helped the offensive line. 1475 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:28,240 Speaker 7: Sure, quick throws, quick throws. 1476 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,080 Speaker 6: His presence allows you to run the ball. I think 1477 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 6: there's a lot of a lot of ways that I 1478 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,040 Speaker 6: think Brady positively impacted the offense, but I also think 1479 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 6: people are sleeping a lot on the offensive line. It 1480 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 6: was just, I mean, other than you. 1481 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 3: Can't you can't compliment Brady, Mike's got to come in. 1482 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,960 Speaker 3: I god forbid. 1483 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,760 Speaker 1: That's another great moment. 1484 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,720 Speaker 3: All right back here eight five to five Pats five 1485 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,960 Speaker 3: hundred is the ace, ticket is the hotline and podcasts 1486 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,880 Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com as the email address. 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So there, Who needs 1495 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 3: a mattress? 1496 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,840 Speaker 4: Anybody? Memory phone? It's great? 1497 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 3: Who relies on consumer reports? Do you guys read consumer reports? 1498 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:42,360 Speaker 8: No? 1499 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,000 Speaker 4: Not directly. But I think if you hear a review 1500 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 4: and something tested favorably for consumer reports, then I take 1501 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 4: that as a positive. You do. 1502 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 6: I do as well, But I use Fred as my 1503 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,360 Speaker 6: consumer reports as Fred does do a lot of research 1504 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,680 Speaker 6: on a lot of different things, and I trust them and. 1505 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,080 Speaker 2: Fred, and then if it's just that Costco, it's probably 1506 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 2: good too. 1507 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,320 Speaker 4: I got to Costco whole store. 1508 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,520 Speaker 5: Anything. 1509 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,080 Speaker 2: My mattresses is absolutely from Costco. Came in a. 1510 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,240 Speaker 5: Box fair enough, pop out one of those, can't. 1511 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:09,600 Speaker 2: Get it back in. 1512 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 3: So it's a memory phone. 1513 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,280 Speaker 2: It's I don't know it's it's actually there's a lot 1514 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,000 Speaker 2: of firmness in it. I don't like memory, so. 1515 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 3: How does it squish? Then? If it's not memory, that's. 1516 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,680 Speaker 2: A great question. I'd love to see. Go to the 1517 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,160 Speaker 2: factory see how they do it. Vacuum seal. They like 1518 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,480 Speaker 2: roll it up really. 1519 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 3: Tightly and I know, but you can't. You can't roll 1520 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,080 Speaker 3: up like a coil. Well, it's nice a spring. Yeah, 1521 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,040 Speaker 3: I'm wondering, what's it? What's it? 1522 01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Look into? 1523 01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:39,439 Speaker 4: Open? 1524 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 3: You should know what's in your match? 1525 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,920 Speaker 4: See that little boy all over the. 1526 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 5: Dock shot it's like two different covers. 1527 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,599 Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm still gonna watch Jazz. By the way, she's 1528 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 4: you know, I watch I. 1529 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,559 Speaker 5: Don't buy his party, watched Interest or. 1530 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 2: Paul did watch Interstellar. So I have to keep up. 1531 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 6: Three hours to a long movie. And you like that 1532 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:03,920 Speaker 6: it was good? It was good. 1533 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,360 Speaker 5: I like you're saying, Jaws isn't a long movie. 1534 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,599 Speaker 4: Well, if you don't want buy the Summer, it's coming 1535 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 4: back out in theaters in August, and now you're gonna 1536 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:10,840 Speaker 4: be forced to go. 1537 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:19,639 Speaker 3: Us is coming back remastered, will be in it, right, 1538 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,640 Speaker 3: and it'll look like a real shark. 1539 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,640 Speaker 2: Mechanical. 1540 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200 Speaker 6: Your nose jogs. Oh no, a great movie, all right? 1541 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 4: Great, they're going to add the deleted scenes to this. 1542 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,519 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're ad Alice getting chopped out like an 1543 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,720 Speaker 4: extended cut. 1544 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,360 Speaker 6: Just to let everyone know. Evans is about thirty four 1545 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,879 Speaker 6: seconds away from a backhand. 1546 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,960 Speaker 5: I'd love to see it. I just love to tease 1547 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 5: you guys. 1548 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,760 Speaker 4: You're in the corner now, you're jows hater guy, and 1549 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 4: that's where you'll stay. 1550 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Tony writes in Chances that Dig starts the 1551 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,720 Speaker 3: season on p Up. This would give the Patriots four 1552 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,880 Speaker 3: more weeks to decide if they should give up on Baker. 1553 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,360 Speaker 3: Or even Poke, maybe even trade Born. It would suck 1554 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,600 Speaker 3: to not have may build chemistry with Digs from the 1555 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 3: get go, but it would ensure hopefully that Digs is 1556 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,439 Speaker 3: one hundred percent ready to go and gives him more 1557 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 3: time to strengthen his knee and make it less likely 1558 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,479 Speaker 3: to reaggravate the injury. 1559 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 4: I was just saying, now, I'm not optimistic that Javon 1560 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840 Speaker 4: Baker is going to be able to take the team 1561 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 4: this year. I mean, with Josh McDaniel's offense and what's required. 1562 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,120 Speaker 4: Unless Javon Baker has turned over a new leaf, which 1563 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 4: maybe he has, I think will know pretty quick. 1564 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,720 Speaker 6: You're not buying those tidbits from the combine from the 1565 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 6: various reporters. 1566 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,519 Speaker 4: I'm not buying. I do think he's talented. I mean, 1567 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 4: I buy that they think he's a very talented wide receiver. 1568 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 4: I just I have a feeling that the mental load 1569 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,720 Speaker 4: is going to increase a little bit with Josh McDaniels 1570 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 4: and his expectations and his experience as an offensive coordinator. 1571 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,200 Speaker 4: I think it'll be a little bit harder on these 1572 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 4: offensive receivers. 1573 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,080 Speaker 3: So I see, not too hard. 1574 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 5: I definitely think that because it'd be. 1575 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,680 Speaker 3: A mistake to think that you can do what you 1576 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 3: did when Brady was here. 1577 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:52,800 Speaker 4: Now I hear what you're saying, and I mean we 1578 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 4: got into a little bit of that last show, I think, 1579 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 4: but I still think that Josh's experience I did like 1580 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,479 Speaker 4: two things in their friend I gotta ask those Yeah, 1581 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,679 Speaker 4: but Josh's experience would just be more demanding of them, 1582 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,600 Speaker 4: regardless of how much the offense is asking them to process. 1583 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,679 Speaker 4: That's where I think it'll Jesus hard. Would you get 1584 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 4: your own out of us? 1585 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 6: So I want to work something because earlier in the 1586 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,120 Speaker 6: show we were talking about some random things with the 1587 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,520 Speaker 6: wide receivers and you had like kind of a throwaway 1588 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:30,080 Speaker 6: line that resonated with me about Polk Jalen Polk, Yeah, 1589 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,240 Speaker 6: because I had I sort of look at him as 1590 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,760 Speaker 6: a second year's second round guy. He's going to get 1591 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,920 Speaker 6: one more chance at minimum, And you were like, I'm 1592 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 6: not so sure about Polk. 1593 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,320 Speaker 5: I would say that that's the most likely scenario, but 1594 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,120 Speaker 5: it's not playing for able second round pick, you know, 1595 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,320 Speaker 5: like he didn't make the pick, and so if they 1596 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,960 Speaker 5: get into camp and he's not one of the best 1597 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,120 Speaker 5: receivers on the roster, and I think that when you 1598 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 5: change your zeems, you know, kind of go. And I 1599 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,360 Speaker 5: know Wolf is still here, but for all intents and purposes, 1600 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,720 Speaker 5: it's a it's a different. 1601 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,800 Speaker 6: Do you think I didn't pick him? 1602 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,320 Speaker 3: Do you think Rabel's going to have Ryan Cowden in 1603 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 3: one air and Elliott Wolf in the other air when 1604 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 3: it comes to personnel evaluations on the existing on his 1605 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 3: own team? 1606 01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:13,160 Speaker 6: Not? 1607 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 3: You know? 1608 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, But I don't think in a bad way. I 1609 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,800 Speaker 4: think that's what you want as a head coach. You 1610 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,160 Speaker 4: want to hear different opinions, and I think you want 1611 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,719 Speaker 4: to have a guy like Ryan County trusts and Elliott 1612 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 4: Wolf has a really good experience too. I think his 1613 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,280 Speaker 4: opinion is valid regardless of what happened last year with 1614 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,439 Speaker 4: some of the picks that he made. So I think 1615 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 4: that's what you want. 1616 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:37,960 Speaker 3: You know. Uh, Tim's in Seattle on the hotline. What's up? Tim? 1617 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:38,599 Speaker 8: Hey? 1618 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:39,280 Speaker 18: Can you guys hear me? 1619 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:39,799 Speaker 3: Yes? 1620 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:42,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1621 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 18: So I kind of agree with with Evan here. I 1622 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,000 Speaker 18: don't think the Giants are going to take a quarterback. 1623 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,200 Speaker 18: I've seen some comparisons of Sugar standards to like Andy 1624 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,160 Speaker 18: Dalton or Kirk Cousins, and I just don't Stephen need 1625 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,479 Speaker 18: to pick that player. At three, I think they can 1626 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,000 Speaker 18: pick Travis Hunter and you know, either set it and 1627 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,640 Speaker 18: forget it at wide receiver or have a cornerback of 1628 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 18: the future. So you know, it's kind of interesting. I 1629 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 18: think the draft is really going to start at four 1630 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,080 Speaker 18: with the Patriots, and I am really curious to see 1631 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 18: what they do. You know, in my opinion, if they 1632 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 18: do have the ability to trade back and land a 1633 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,120 Speaker 18: Connery or an Ursery and you know, trade up and 1634 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 18: get a wide receiver, I think that's their best option here. 1635 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,799 Speaker 18: But I think going for the true left tackle instead 1636 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,960 Speaker 18: of trying to make it fit with a Memboo or 1637 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,760 Speaker 18: take a chance on Campbell, you know who we're not 1638 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 18: even really sure if he's a tackle, could be a guard. 1639 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,280 Speaker 18: I think that's their best bet. 1640 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,800 Speaker 4: I'll leave it at that, Okay. I don't know about 1641 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,519 Speaker 4: to set it and forget it with Travis Hunter receiver. 1642 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 4: I think there's some development that needs to happen there, 1643 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 4: and it's a little bit projection. I would say, you're 1644 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,360 Speaker 4: working with a great piece of clay, of course. 1645 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 3: But I love I mean, now that you have digs, 1646 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,480 Speaker 3: it's not as urgent, you know, like you can experiment 1647 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,000 Speaker 3: with him. See how he looks in the spring. All 1648 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,519 Speaker 3: that's so, Like, I'm intrigued if you if you pick Hunter, 1649 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,880 Speaker 3: no question, just just what you can do with that. 1650 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,800 Speaker 4: It's got all the tools. But I just don't want 1651 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 4: to get ahead of it ourselves. Like let's be let's 1652 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,000 Speaker 4: be honest. This guy what he was. He was a 1653 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 4: cornerback who played a little wide receiver. He was dominant, 1654 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,320 Speaker 4: but playing NFL wide receiver is a whole different ballgame. 1655 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,800 Speaker 4: He's got all the skill to do it. But let's 1656 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,640 Speaker 4: let's let's let's let's let him do it before we 1657 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,000 Speaker 4: just say, oh, no, no problem. 1658 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,280 Speaker 3: He's gonna number forget is a little what does it 1659 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:38,680 Speaker 3: look like? 1660 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:39,639 Speaker 4: Where does he play? 1661 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:40,400 Speaker 8: Number one? 1662 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 5: Huh? He's a number one receiver. 1663 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,799 Speaker 3: You think he'd be better than Diggs? 1664 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,440 Speaker 4: Yes, Immed? Really yeah? 1665 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,320 Speaker 6: And based on what I mean, DAGs. 1666 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 5: Is thirty two years old, Like he's not the guy 1667 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,960 Speaker 5: that he was five years ago. I just Travis Hunter 1668 01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,400 Speaker 5: to me, like, look, he's not a technician, Like, he's 1669 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 5: not a route running technician. He's a playmaker. He's an 1670 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 5: athlete at the position. It's you know, there's a lot 1671 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 5: of guys that are just that too. You know, not 1672 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,560 Speaker 5: everybody is is this you know, route running savant, Like 1673 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,080 Speaker 5: a lot of guys just went on pure athleticism, Like 1674 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,160 Speaker 5: I think a J. Brown is one. 1675 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,559 Speaker 3: So are you are you saying that on day one 1676 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,640 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter comes into the league as a fifty to 1677 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,360 Speaker 3: fifty receiver, one of those guys. 1678 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 5: What you like a jump ball receiver? 1679 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:23,840 Speaker 6: Yeah? 1680 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,880 Speaker 3: No, So how's he going to get open if he 1681 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 3: doesn't run routes? 1682 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,240 Speaker 5: Because it's not what I mean by run good routes 1683 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,120 Speaker 5: is he's not a technician, Like he's not like a 1684 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,720 Speaker 5: Lad McConkey, right, Like he's not somebody that has great technique, 1685 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,080 Speaker 5: but he's somebody that's extremely fast and explosive and just 1686 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,559 Speaker 5: raw athleticism is just better than a lot of other 1687 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,800 Speaker 5: people that he goes up against. I think that, you know, 1688 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 5: if he was in last year's draft with Harrison and Neighbors, 1689 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,439 Speaker 5: I think we'd have be having real conversations about whether 1690 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,080 Speaker 5: or not he's the best receiver in the draft with 1691 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 5: those two in the draft, like he, I think he 1692 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,639 Speaker 5: gets a little bit under sold as a wide receiver 1693 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,880 Speaker 5: because that he's played more corner in his college career 1694 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:03,720 Speaker 5: than he's played at wide. 1695 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,519 Speaker 3: But but if and I'm just asking, if you think 1696 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,840 Speaker 3: that his advantage right now is his athleticism, it's not 1697 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,520 Speaker 3: his skill as a wide receiver. Doesn't that get diminished 1698 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 3: in the NFL because now he's going up against the 1699 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,800 Speaker 3: best guys in college. 1700 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:19,960 Speaker 5: I guess I just put it in. 1701 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,559 Speaker 3: His career in college where he wasn't going up against 1702 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,200 Speaker 3: the best guys. 1703 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:24,600 Speaker 6: I hear you. 1704 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,559 Speaker 5: I think I just put it in two different buckets. 1705 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,559 Speaker 5: Like I think there's there's technicians and then there's guys 1706 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 5: that just win as raw athletes, Like I think Jamar 1707 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 5: Chase is just a raw athlete. Like I don't think 1708 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 5: you just watch Jamar Chase and say, you know, like 1709 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,200 Speaker 5: we were talking about earlier with Diggs running out routes 1710 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,479 Speaker 5: like that's teach tape on an out road. No, he's 1711 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,080 Speaker 5: just bigger, faster, stronger than the guys that he goes 1712 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,240 Speaker 5: up against. He's just a better athlete than people. AJ Brown, 1713 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 5: I think it's the same thing we were talking about 1714 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,680 Speaker 5: DK Metcalf, Like, same thing. I just think that there 1715 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,680 Speaker 5: are different types of receivers, you know, like Metcalf or 1716 01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,000 Speaker 5: Travis Hunter is not. 1717 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,559 Speaker 3: He's not bigger, faster, than the guys he's going up again, 1718 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 3: he's more explosive. 1719 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,439 Speaker 5: He's definitely faster, you know, and he's he's twitchy and 1720 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,240 Speaker 5: he's sudden with his movements. 1721 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:06,880 Speaker 3: You know. 1722 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,280 Speaker 5: I just think that it's different types. Like, you know, 1723 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,599 Speaker 5: is he a lad McConkie Keenan Allen, you know that 1724 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,720 Speaker 5: type of receiver. No, he's He's a raw, explosiveness type 1725 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,240 Speaker 5: of receiver. 1726 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I hope you're right. 1727 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,040 Speaker 6: I would also just say that he has elite ball skills, 1728 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:23,839 Speaker 6: and I think that is skip that's. 1729 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,000 Speaker 3: Ability, okay, right hands, Yeah, but. 1730 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,880 Speaker 6: Ball skills like plays on the ball in the air. Yeah, 1731 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,439 Speaker 6: it's not tracking, just like you're gonna throw in the ball, 1732 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,599 Speaker 6: he's going to catch it every time. Again, throwing right 1733 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,959 Speaker 6: to him to catch it, he goes and gets it, yeah. 1734 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,280 Speaker 5: Or his yards after the catch ability, Like this is 1735 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,439 Speaker 5: a guy that when you hit him, you know, on 1736 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,559 Speaker 5: a crossing route going over the middle of the field, 1737 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 5: he can turn a twelve yard target into a fifty 1738 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,679 Speaker 5: yard touchdown like that. You know, those types of guys 1739 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,720 Speaker 5: are are just they're different. You know, Travis Hunter, I 1740 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,960 Speaker 5: think his comps are much more of that type of 1741 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,519 Speaker 5: player than you know, copping him to somebody that's like 1742 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,360 Speaker 5: a great route runner. And I think that those are 1743 01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:00,000 Speaker 5: just two different things. 1744 01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:07,000 Speaker 3: Okay, Eldred in North Carolina, Hey, Aldred, Hey Ala, say fellows, 1745 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:07,920 Speaker 3: how y'all doing all right? 1746 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,080 Speaker 6: Big day for you, Eldred? 1747 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:10,280 Speaker 4: Big day? 1748 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,639 Speaker 8: Yep it is. 1749 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 11: But uh, Evan, yes, sir, like I try, I tell 1750 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 11: you yesterday, you're underselling Dunte thought ak Milton about it. 1751 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,760 Speaker 11: That was his deep threat. Now the guy's good on 1752 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 11: three routes and he all goes through to get man 1753 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,719 Speaker 11: pressed and he runs with it. His weakness is safety 1754 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,120 Speaker 11: over top. Other than that, he tracked the ball well 1755 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,640 Speaker 11: and he got speed. He runs by everybody. But so 1756 01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 11: play this one game I played yesterday, and Evan, I 1757 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,400 Speaker 11: love you. Bart answers on you. What the fellas gotta say? 1758 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,080 Speaker 11: If Hunter is sitting there at four Dallas come up 1759 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,519 Speaker 11: to you, well, they give you this number, this number one, 1760 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,479 Speaker 11: they number two, next year one, next year three? Would 1761 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,040 Speaker 11: you trade that pick and they want Hunter? 1762 01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:55,639 Speaker 3: Yes? 1763 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:56,240 Speaker 6: Would yes? 1764 01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:56,720 Speaker 8: Yes? 1765 01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 3: Take it off the air, all right, take it off 1766 01:19:58,960 --> 01:19:59,519 Speaker 3: the air. 1767 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,519 Speaker 6: Three for three picks and the pick swap. Yes, yes, 1768 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:03,800 Speaker 6: of course I would do that. 1769 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, no hesitation, that's a franchise altering hall of drugs, 1770 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:09,800 Speaker 4: no hesitation. 1771 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,720 Speaker 6: I just was a little disappointed that I thought Elder 1772 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,840 Speaker 6: would be a little bit more excited about Stefan Dicks. 1773 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,160 Speaker 4: Oh, what's today's big day? 1774 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:17,360 Speaker 19: Was? 1775 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,439 Speaker 6: He signed a wide receiver? That's all I ever want today? Right? 1776 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,600 Speaker 5: Was a little type. He's d like, he's like the 1777 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:25,479 Speaker 5: big but he. 1778 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 6: Loves wide receivers. I'm a little disappointed he didn't seemed 1779 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,200 Speaker 6: I thought it would be satisfy everybody four hours, come down. 1780 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,639 Speaker 3: Sean and Vancouver. Hey, Sean, uh Fred. 1781 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,479 Speaker 20: I have two things. So first, Paul, I completely agree 1782 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,040 Speaker 20: with you about Digg. I'm concerned about the injury. And 1783 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:52,200 Speaker 20: diva is so subjective because there's so many different types. 1784 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,680 Speaker 20: And we know, yeah, he's gonna go on the sideline 1785 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,320 Speaker 20: and he's gonna be in Drakeney's space about wanting the ball, 1786 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,960 Speaker 20: but Drake may will be back with him when as 1787 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,720 Speaker 20: soon as he drops and say you want the ball, 1788 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,640 Speaker 20: catch it. So that's one type of diva. But you know, 1789 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,000 Speaker 20: we don't want the divas who aren't going to practice, 1790 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,680 Speaker 20: who are going to take plays off, wh aren't going 1791 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:10,040 Speaker 20: to block. 1792 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,200 Speaker 6: I think lack of effort diva is different than emotional, 1793 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:16,360 Speaker 6: you know, passionate diva. 1794 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 20: I agree, Yeah, we want the passion, so that's that'll 1795 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,559 Speaker 20: be good. The other thing, do you're completely about the 1796 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,040 Speaker 20: defense and I love that. And you said that you 1797 01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,120 Speaker 20: have your depth chart already, so I'd love to hear 1798 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,200 Speaker 20: what you think the starting seven will be uh for 1799 01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,360 Speaker 20: the Patriots defense, and I'll take it off there. 1800 01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,439 Speaker 3: Thanks, all right, thanks Sean Well. 1801 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,559 Speaker 4: I think the four free agents are going to be 1802 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,400 Speaker 4: the front I mean Landry Tonga, Williams, Chasing, I mean 1803 01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,800 Speaker 4: bar More. I'm talking about like a base defense, like 1804 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,479 Speaker 4: a four to two five kind of Nickel Bentley and Splain. 1805 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,679 Speaker 4: I kind of like those two together, big physical guy, 1806 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,120 Speaker 4: little guy to run around and make plays. And then 1807 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 4: really it's just a quiet I mean Davis Gonzalez obviously 1808 01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,519 Speaker 4: in the outside. Really just a question of who's your 1809 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,760 Speaker 4: slot receive and who's your third safety. That's where I 1810 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,559 Speaker 4: that's where I think the question is right now, how 1811 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,439 Speaker 4: do they want to play? Do they want to continue 1812 01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,439 Speaker 4: to play with these three safety looks? Or do they 1813 01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 4: want to get back to a pure slot corner. But 1814 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,920 Speaker 4: I otherwise I would say that's your guy, and I'd 1815 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,840 Speaker 4: just love to have. We talked about the front seven 1816 01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 4: before this. Love to have that third rotational defensive end 1817 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,479 Speaker 4: pass rusher type stud rookie kid come in. Who can 1818 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,680 Speaker 4: you know, not have to jump right in because you've 1819 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,040 Speaker 4: got Chase on and Landry, but you have a third 1820 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,800 Speaker 4: guy to go to and bring you some juice in 1821 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,920 Speaker 4: on third down, Bring him in, bring you know, you 1822 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,400 Speaker 4: gotta love the pass rush package. I think there's a 1823 01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,400 Speaker 4: lot there to work with Williams and Barmore and if 1824 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,800 Speaker 4: you just get one of those guys on the edge 1825 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 4: that can really tear around the corner, they could be 1826 01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:42,679 Speaker 4: cooking with something. 1827 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like to think that maybe Tonga could 1828 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,280 Speaker 5: be pushed by a rookie sure, you know, with this 1829 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,240 Speaker 5: class especially, but I agree with you as if it 1830 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,200 Speaker 5: were to be today, then that would probably be the 1831 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,720 Speaker 5: starting front seven. Maybe, you know, Tonga gets pushed by 1832 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,680 Speaker 5: by somebody that can play the nose tackle on a 1833 01:22:58,720 --> 01:22:59,559 Speaker 5: little higher level. 1834 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,960 Speaker 4: Probably find somebody like that's. Yeah, it seems like a 1835 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,040 Speaker 4: hard position to locate, as you do like the big 1836 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,760 Speaker 4: boards and the mock drafts and all that stuff is 1837 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,920 Speaker 4: like who's their guy, who's their big fatty? In the 1838 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,719 Speaker 4: fourth round, you know who is that. 1839 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:11,760 Speaker 6: One and right? 1840 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,760 Speaker 5: Because they're they're probably not going to play like a 1841 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,320 Speaker 5: natural head up nose tackle either. It's probably going to 1842 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,920 Speaker 5: be shaded into the A gap. So like, do they 1843 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,920 Speaker 5: still want it to be penetrating or do they want 1844 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,200 Speaker 5: a space eater? Like those things are going to matter 1845 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,479 Speaker 5: to you know, Dion Walker is going to just eat 1846 01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,559 Speaker 5: up blocks, right, Like, is that what you're looking for? 1847 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,720 Speaker 5: Or are you looking for you know, CJ. West who 1848 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 5: can get up the field a little bit more? Like, 1849 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,519 Speaker 5: I think that's tough to say until we see them 1850 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 5: make a pick there. 1851 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,360 Speaker 6: So who was your four Williams with. 1852 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,120 Speaker 4: The front I mean I had. I mean, I guess 1853 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 4: you could say Barmore or Tonga, but Williams. Let's say Williams. 1854 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,639 Speaker 6: Okay, all right, will Andrey. 1855 01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,439 Speaker 4: And Chase On on the outside, then Bentley and Spilling. 1856 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't think Keon White will be one of 1857 01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,280 Speaker 6: those guys? No, I don't think chasea On will be 1858 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,600 Speaker 6: one of those guys. I think chasea will be in 1859 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:57,599 Speaker 6: your pass rush package. 1860 01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think you could be right about that. 1861 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, I think I think I. 1862 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 6: Don't think he's a full time player in. 1863 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:04,080 Speaker 4: Your past Russ package. 1864 01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,160 Speaker 6: I don't like that. I think Chase On has the 1865 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 6: ability to get after the passer key On White has 1866 01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,479 Speaker 6: the ability to disrupt the pocket, you know, but not 1867 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,600 Speaker 6: necessarily a dynamic pass rusher, Whereas on third down, I 1868 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,000 Speaker 6: want Chase On coming off the edge, screaming off the edge. 1869 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,599 Speaker 4: I mean, I've never I've never been high on White. 1870 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,160 Speaker 6: See I have been play very high on Chase On 1871 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:28,639 Speaker 6: and Imson. I'm envisioning like my my draft promise coming 1872 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,479 Speaker 6: coming through, like I loved him coming out, and I've 1873 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,080 Speaker 6: been so wrong. I don't think it's I don't think it's. 1874 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,760 Speaker 4: A slam dunk with him. But where we stand right now, 1875 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,760 Speaker 4: before the draft and before anyone else signs, I just 1876 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:44,479 Speaker 4: I don't like the idea four three defensive end going 1877 01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,840 Speaker 4: against tackles every time. He's going to have to really 1878 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,280 Speaker 4: improve and change some of his stuff. 1879 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,960 Speaker 5: I do wonder does Rabel kind of try to take 1880 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,200 Speaker 5: Kean White under his rent wing a little bit and 1881 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,920 Speaker 5: try to coach him up on some of the things 1882 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,280 Speaker 5: that he claimed that he wasn't getting coached up on 1883 01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,200 Speaker 5: last year, and and how does make him a better player. 1884 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,200 Speaker 5: But I'm with you. I think Williams further that he 1885 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,840 Speaker 5: is away from the ball the worst that Keon White 1886 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,360 Speaker 5: is right when he gets outside the tackle and he's 1887 01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,640 Speaker 5: rushing on tackles. He said in himself, like or not 1888 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,600 Speaker 5: saying anything that he hasn't already. I always use that, 1889 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,400 Speaker 5: you know, he said, Yeah, he literally said it himself, 1890 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,759 Speaker 5: that he's not as good out there now. Terrell william 1891 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,679 Speaker 5: is another good shot. Like, he's supposedly a fantastic defensive 1892 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,800 Speaker 5: line coach, one of the best in the league. So 1893 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 5: maybe the two of them can put their heads together 1894 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,200 Speaker 5: and get the most out of play. 1895 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:34,519 Speaker 3: A little Patriots March Madness trivia ready? Question one, Which 1896 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,599 Speaker 3: former Patriot player was the first Golden Eagle in school 1897 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,920 Speaker 3: history to play both football and basketball? 1898 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,519 Speaker 6: Former Patriot player was the first Golden Eagle to play football? 1899 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:50,479 Speaker 3: Man, that's Minnesota, their Gophers. Who the Golden Eagle? 1900 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,120 Speaker 6: Oh? I thought he was talking about a BC player. 1901 01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,880 Speaker 3: No, Oh, that's Jamie. 1902 01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,080 Speaker 6: Did Jamie Collins play? 1903 01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:02,759 Speaker 3: No, Well, that's not the answer. Hint Won almost entirely 1904 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,040 Speaker 3: a bench player. He totaled seventy two points and forty 1905 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:09,280 Speaker 3: eight rebounds in his short collegiate career. That's that's tough. 1906 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,000 Speaker 3: Hint two. His powerful physique allowed him to play power 1907 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,040 Speaker 3: forward at the height of just six to two. No, 1908 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,639 Speaker 3: this versatile one time All Pro I don't settled into 1909 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,799 Speaker 3: the linebacker position at the NFL level, but at times 1910 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,679 Speaker 3: he took snaps as both a defensive lineman and defensive 1911 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 3: back with his nimble two hundred and seventy pound frame. 1912 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,280 Speaker 3: Sam hunt a Dahlias Thomas with some hoops. 1913 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:42,960 Speaker 6: Wait, like, what's the Golden Eagles Marquette? Okay, Dalis Thomas 1914 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,400 Speaker 6: went to Marquette. 1915 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't know about that. 1916 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,920 Speaker 7: I'm saying it's the Marquete Golden Eagles. 1917 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,040 Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. 1918 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,320 Speaker 3: That was great When we get trivia questions, where were. 1919 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:51,479 Speaker 6: I don't think. 1920 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,160 Speaker 5: I don't think Thomas went to Southern Miss. 1921 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,559 Speaker 3: Southern Miss. That could be the goal. 1922 01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,600 Speaker 6: That's what I was thinking. Jamie Collins didn't he go 1923 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,559 Speaker 6: to Southern Miss. He did, Okay, so that's what I 1924 01:26:59,560 --> 01:26:59,840 Speaker 6: was thinking. 1925 01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,719 Speaker 5: Eagles, they are the Golden Eagles. 1926 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,320 Speaker 3: Are the Golden Eagles? Okay? Random, so not a total disaster. 1927 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,919 Speaker 6: Which a good question. I had no idea you played basketball. 1928 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,600 Speaker 3: Which former Patriots players college basketball team played in the 1929 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:19,479 Speaker 3: NCAA Tournament each of his two seasons. Oh, this is tough. 1930 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:20,960 Speaker 6: Couldn't that be a million? 1931 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,880 Speaker 3: It could be a million people, right? His team lost 1932 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,439 Speaker 3: by one point to Memphis in the seven Sweet sixteen. Paul, 1933 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,559 Speaker 3: that should be a giveaway. 1934 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, I have committed to memory the Sweet 1935 01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:33,280 Speaker 6: sixteen from seven? 1936 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:38,240 Speaker 3: Why don't you sorry? In the five six season, he 1937 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,519 Speaker 3: became the first Aggie to let her in both football 1938 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,800 Speaker 3: and basketball since nineteen sixty nine. 1939 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:44,760 Speaker 5: So Texas A and. 1940 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 4: M but not Ty Warren that he's a Texas A. 1941 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:53,320 Speaker 3: And Finally, while this Patriots super Bowl winner, author and 1942 01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,880 Speaker 3: generally imaginative mind had a short and productive stint with 1943 01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,519 Speaker 3: the Patriots, his older brother, Yes, Marty Bennett. Marty Bennett. 1944 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:05,400 Speaker 3: Final question. 1945 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:07,800 Speaker 6: I wouldn't have gotten it from that one either. Those 1946 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:08,599 Speaker 6: are good questions. 1947 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:13,200 Speaker 3: Which near Patriot player averaged twenty six point eight minutes, 1948 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,960 Speaker 3: ten point three points, and six point seven rebounds per 1949 01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,920 Speaker 3: game in senior his senior year in college? Oh this 1950 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,000 Speaker 3: is this isn't? This isn't. I would never get this 1951 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,240 Speaker 3: familiar Patriot? 1952 01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, how does what? 1953 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,679 Speaker 3: How doesn't even know what that means? 1954 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,320 Speaker 6: Larry Fitzgerald, He's the nearest Patriot. 1955 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,679 Speaker 3: The answer is Cedric Lang. 1956 01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:39,920 Speaker 6: I've never even heard that name. Yeah, I thought for 1957 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,439 Speaker 6: sure we were going to get I thought we were 1958 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:47,200 Speaker 6: going to get a like a Roosevelt Covin, Miles Covin. Thank. Oh, right, 1959 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,799 Speaker 6: Rosie's sun is a good player for Purdue. 1960 01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,840 Speaker 3: Other other fun facts, Drake May's brother Luke May won 1961 01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,439 Speaker 3: a national title with North Carolina. 1962 01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,280 Speaker 5: We might see that Chris Hogan played lacrosse, you know, like, yes, 1963 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:00,559 Speaker 5: we all are aware. 1964 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,520 Speaker 3: And the following Patriots were high school basketball standouts. Mikeahsicki, 1965 01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,559 Speaker 3: Willie McGinnis, Randy Moss, Ron Grikowski, Kyle dug Or, Drake May, 1966 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,719 Speaker 3: Julian Edelman, West Welcome, Matt Castle, Drew Bledsoe, and Ty Law. 1967 01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,320 Speaker 4: I don't know you played hoops. 1968 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, Kyle Duggar is actually really good at basketball. Gasiki 1969 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,840 Speaker 5: also really good at basketball. I think the rest of 1970 01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,600 Speaker 5: those guys were surviving on pure athleticisms. 1971 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:29,400 Speaker 6: JJ Watts basketball tape. It's amazing powering through guys. 1972 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,559 Speaker 5: Drake May. Drake May's got a jump shot like. Drake 1973 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:36,080 Speaker 5: May's got skill like he can shoot threes and handle 1974 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,680 Speaker 5: the ball a little bit. But yes, Luke May very 1975 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,360 Speaker 5: famous North Carolina targ go in. 1976 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,800 Speaker 6: The locker room next year, go over to the defensive 1977 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,240 Speaker 6: backs and ask them all if they thought they could 1978 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,000 Speaker 6: have played in the NBA. 1979 01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:47,920 Speaker 2: They all think they can. 1980 01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 6: They all think they can. 1981 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:49,760 Speaker 4: I don't think he can. 1982 01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,040 Speaker 5: I would actually. 1983 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,760 Speaker 2: Say, whenever we asked them for like static cams, what 1984 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,960 Speaker 2: would you be doing if you were in an NFL player, 1985 01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,760 Speaker 2: I'd say fifty of them in the NBA. 1986 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,040 Speaker 5: Which is probably not true, but I would say the best. 1987 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,280 Speaker 5: Now that's sick, he's gone. I think Drake is probably 1988 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,639 Speaker 5: the best basketball player on the team. Should be Yeah, 1989 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,639 Speaker 5: he was very Most people thought he could have played 1990 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:11,240 Speaker 5: at North Caroline. 1991 01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,760 Speaker 6: A lot of people said that he could have. He 1992 01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 6: could have played college basketball, but he focused. 1993 01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,000 Speaker 3: On Adam from Crown Point, Indiana. A couple of things. 1994 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 3: Who do you think our Week one opponent will be? 1995 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,400 Speaker 3: I have us at Tampa with Brady on the call. 1996 01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,120 Speaker 4: Oh god, it's a decent one. 1997 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,320 Speaker 3: I think it'll be an AFC East opponent, Buffalo. 1998 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,080 Speaker 6: I know this changes now, not to pooh pooh this 1999 01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,640 Speaker 6: because I know it's not the point. But games can 2000 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,640 Speaker 6: be on different networks. But if it's at Tampa, it 2001 01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,120 Speaker 6: would probably be a CBS game could be right, not 2002 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 6: a Fox game. 2003 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's how it used to be, right, But. 2004 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,040 Speaker 6: That's why I said, I know they've changed this. The 2005 01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 6: wuls are blurred and they just sort of try to 2006 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 6: they try to balance out the good games between the 2007 01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,960 Speaker 6: networks now. But in general, if it was a home 2008 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,880 Speaker 6: game against an NFC team, that's when you get it 2009 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:56,439 Speaker 6: on Fox. 2010 01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,639 Speaker 4: What about on the road at Titans Titans? 2011 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,519 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that could be another one that'd be 2012 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,719 Speaker 6: good for the Patriots because that should be a nice 2013 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,439 Speaker 6: for you and the marketing storyline with Rable exactly, is 2014 01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,160 Speaker 6: that my applying too much pressure by presuming a victory 2015 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,439 Speaker 6: over the Tennessee Titans. 2016 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,240 Speaker 3: A lot of people think, oh, they'll put Digs with Buffalo, 2017 01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,720 Speaker 3: and no, they won't take the chance that Digs won't 2018 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:21,360 Speaker 3: be ready. 2019 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:22,400 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's true. 2020 01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not really sure that's anywhere near the theater 2021 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,880 Speaker 6: of these other possibilities like Rabel and Tennessee would. 2022 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,120 Speaker 5: Make a sense. Dwarf that it might be. 2023 01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,719 Speaker 3: Cam Ward also, Adam wants to know any any truth 2024 01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,400 Speaker 3: to the rumor of new uniforms coming. That's what you question, Freda, 2025 01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:40,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 2026 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:42,000 Speaker 6: I don't know. 2027 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:43,519 Speaker 3: We'd have to wait and see. 2028 01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,439 Speaker 6: Alex is our resident on all rumors? Is there rumors 2029 01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,839 Speaker 6: out there that were about. 2030 01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,720 Speaker 3: Uniforms every year? 2031 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,040 Speaker 2: Because I think we put out like a cartoon graphic 2032 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,880 Speaker 2: for Valentine's Day and a bunch of speculations started for 2033 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,000 Speaker 2: not and it's like, it's just a cartoon. 2034 01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,679 Speaker 6: That's why I go to you, because I don't see 2035 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,200 Speaker 6: this cartoonish characters. 2036 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:11,400 Speaker 2: If we leaked something like that, Ali would be, Oh, 2037 01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:12,599 Speaker 2: like we get. 2038 01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,639 Speaker 6: In trouble, wouldn't we Sure we should? 2039 01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't people read into the uniform Chris with 2040 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,080 Speaker 3: a T I A N wrights in Paul, if you 2041 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:22,759 Speaker 3: backhand Evan, I'll post your bail. 2042 01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:25,360 Speaker 6: Would you? 2043 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:25,680 Speaker 5: Would you? 2044 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:26,759 Speaker 2: Would you press charges? 2045 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,840 Speaker 3: Would you press charges? And Paul backhanded you? 2046 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,360 Speaker 4: Probably because he wearing his Hall of famering when he 2047 01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:31,680 Speaker 4: does it. 2048 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:37,160 Speaker 6: Or I don't know why we keep saying that. I 2049 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,479 Speaker 6: couldn't even figure out what year. Someone was asking me 2050 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,360 Speaker 6: what year that happened. I was like, I don't know, 2051 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,200 Speaker 6: it's like twelve fifteen years ago. I don't know. 2052 01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,519 Speaker 4: I brought my my Holy Cross League Championship ring to 2053 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,559 Speaker 4: the game last weekend when I went to the playoff game, 2054 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,519 Speaker 4: but it didn't do any didn't an I haven't like 2055 01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,200 Speaker 4: pulled it out in forever. I was like, I've got 2056 01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,280 Speaker 4: to bring this. I've never won this. 2057 01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,479 Speaker 3: Holy Cross lead ship. Was it made out of ten? 2058 01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,720 Speaker 4: No, it's from Jostin's I think is that the name 2059 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,960 Speaker 4: of the that's one of them? Just ring deal. Well, sorry, guys, 2060 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,920 Speaker 4: I don't have a Super Bowl ring like you guys do, 2061 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,439 Speaker 4: so I have to use my own. 2062 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,360 Speaker 3: So okay, could. 2063 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,000 Speaker 6: Have been in full disclosure, I would rather have yours. 2064 01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:20,840 Speaker 6: It's like I'm on staff. I didn't do anything. You 2065 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,320 Speaker 6: actually played quarterback of PP two. 2066 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,360 Speaker 3: You speaking of holy Cross remind me of Celtic City 2067 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,280 Speaker 3: because Bob I watched that first a lot of Bob Coo. 2068 01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. I'm only one episode in. I know 2069 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,040 Speaker 4: these guys are super basketball fans, but for me, I'm 2070 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,200 Speaker 4: obviously just I couldn't. I was telling him, I can't 2071 01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,559 Speaker 4: believe how good Bill Russell was, Like just what a 2072 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:44,240 Speaker 4: mammoth he was and how aletic. Right, I know, but 2073 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:50,080 Speaker 4: I've seen Bill up there. He could pay today like he. 2074 01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:51,679 Speaker 6: Was really really good. 2075 01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,720 Speaker 4: If you say. 2076 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,559 Speaker 6: Larry Bird, Lawrence Burn. 2077 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:56,840 Speaker 3: Alive. 2078 01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,120 Speaker 6: I don't know why I like Bill Russell was arguably 2079 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,599 Speaker 6: the greatest winner in the history of sport. Yea, and 2080 01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,120 Speaker 6: Mike just came around you. 2081 01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,639 Speaker 19: I like the joke, but in fact, like I've seen him, 2082 01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 19: but in the documentary, I really get a sense of 2083 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,080 Speaker 19: what kind of player he was, Like you can exactly 2084 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:23,000 Speaker 19: what you stopped top five players, but that's what you 2085 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,280 Speaker 19: see why and when they run that stuff, it's like 2086 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,639 Speaker 19: left the team incredibly athletic. 2087 01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,040 Speaker 6: You know, it just took them two years to get 2088 01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:30,880 Speaker 6: back and win again. 2089 01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:36,799 Speaker 5: Really right, all of that, he's the top five player. 2090 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:36,960 Speaker 3: Of all time. 2091 01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see you are you are? 2092 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,439 Speaker 3: Jason writes in do you guys think the Giants bringing 2093 01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,960 Speaker 3: in two quarterbacks singles? They know the Titans are taking 2094 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,879 Speaker 3: Ward and the Browns are taking Shador. 2095 01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,040 Speaker 5: That's the that's the positive, the glass half full way 2096 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,120 Speaker 5: to look at it as a Patriots, But I don't think. 2097 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,040 Speaker 4: Like if God answered Jameis Winston's prayers that he can 2098 01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,880 Speaker 4: stop throwing picks, then they might he might finally turn 2099 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,559 Speaker 4: the corner and be able to win some games. 2100 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,639 Speaker 3: Bell in San Diego. I think Evan is suffering from 2101 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,600 Speaker 3: recency bias in regards to where Travis Hunter would go. 2102 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,280 Speaker 3: In last year's draft, Harrison was seen as a generational talent, 2103 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,360 Speaker 3: and Neighbors was seen as a tick below. Everyone I 2104 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,400 Speaker 3: have heard speak on this subject has said Hunter would 2105 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,599 Speaker 3: be the fourth wide receiver at best, and likely he'd 2106 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,120 Speaker 3: be the fifth taken, which likely puts him in the 2107 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,680 Speaker 3: second round. Evan, please cite any instance of one of 2108 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,519 Speaker 3: the experts saying they think Hunter would even be in 2109 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,080 Speaker 3: the conversation of being taken before Harrison had he come 2110 01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:36,800 Speaker 3: out last year. Who are your sources? 2111 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,480 Speaker 5: Me, I don't need to listen to the other expert. 2112 01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:41,920 Speaker 3: But you do have to admit the way they were 2113 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,800 Speaker 3: talking about Harrison now it didn't pan out. 2114 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,080 Speaker 5: Would I would say that I would have Travis Hunter 2115 01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,960 Speaker 5: as the third best receiver in last year's class. But 2116 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,200 Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's in the ballpark like and I'm 2117 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,360 Speaker 5: saying that he's the fourth or the fifth. Is crazy? 2118 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,840 Speaker 5: I mean, that's definitely. I don't think anybody feels that way. 2119 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,120 Speaker 5: I just saw Topicshite tweeted out the other day that 2120 01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,640 Speaker 5: he would have had him as the third receiver in 2121 01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,560 Speaker 5: last year's class two So okay, but I said he 2122 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,840 Speaker 5: would be in the conversation let's go back to this. 2123 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:14,640 Speaker 6: If you think it would be laughable to say that Harrison, Neighbors, 2124 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,839 Speaker 6: and Thomas are better than Travis Hunter. 2125 01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:21,120 Speaker 5: Well, Thomas is that's recency biased because we saw what 2126 01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,879 Speaker 5: he did in Jacksonville. Oh yeah, but no, we're saying. 2127 01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,840 Speaker 6: What he was like that wasn't he like the fourteenth pick? 2128 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,920 Speaker 5: No, it's like twenty. But regardless when they were entering 2129 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,360 Speaker 5: the draft, like if I had the blessings of hindsight, okay, 2130 01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,479 Speaker 5: you know, like Neighbors would be number one and Brian 2131 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 5: Thomas Junior would be number two. Marvin Harrison Junior would. 2132 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,960 Speaker 6: So when you were saying that you were you're you're 2133 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,559 Speaker 6: just judging them coming out of the draft last year. 2134 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,759 Speaker 6: That's yeah, that's different. Yeah, that's that's. 2135 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,720 Speaker 3: Coming out of the draft last year would have been. 2136 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,200 Speaker 6: No one would have been over Harrison. It was the 2137 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,080 Speaker 6: greatest wide receiver prospect that It drove me crazy because 2138 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,880 Speaker 6: I thought Neighbors was better. But everybody told me that 2139 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,719 Speaker 6: this is a generational talent that comes along once every decade. 2140 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,280 Speaker 6: Blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and the Patriots should 2141 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,320 Speaker 6: take him at three. Remember how how many people want 2142 01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,000 Speaker 6: to Marvin Harrison. 2143 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:08,200 Speaker 8: At I didn't. 2144 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,760 Speaker 5: But just like I was running, I was not saying 2145 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,280 Speaker 5: that he would be the best Travis Hunter would be 2146 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,040 Speaker 5: the best receiver last year. I was just thinking he 2147 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,000 Speaker 5: would be in that court. 2148 01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,799 Speaker 6: No, no, no, like that's all I thought you were talking about. 2149 01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,760 Speaker 6: Based on what's happened, you're saying coming out, that's a 2150 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,320 Speaker 6: whole different thing, right, I think that far more defense. 2151 01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,679 Speaker 5: Okay, So now he's a top ten percond every. 2152 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,400 Speaker 3: Footnote that way. Do you think now Travis Hunter is 2153 01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,600 Speaker 3: better than Melik Neighbors, are going to be better than 2154 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,920 Speaker 3: Melik Neighbors as a receiver. 2155 01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,120 Speaker 5: Based off of what I don't, based off of whatever, 2156 01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,160 Speaker 5: Based on what you've seen so far, I say no, 2157 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,400 Speaker 5: But that's because we've seen proof of concept with Molik Neighbors. 2158 01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,840 Speaker 3: Like, no, no, that's fair enough. It's fair enough. But like, 2159 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,280 Speaker 3: are you gonna risk taking the fourth on Travis Hunter 2160 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:53,240 Speaker 3: and make him a receiver? 2161 01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,280 Speaker 5: I don't think it's a risk. 2162 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,920 Speaker 2: Okay, But Evan for months now has been saying that 2163 01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,479 Speaker 2: his ability as a receiver seriously underrated. And oh yeah, 2164 01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,639 Speaker 2: Like Evan was the first person I heard that was 2165 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,120 Speaker 2: just like all in on him. 2166 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,360 Speaker 6: We need the experts to tell you that if anybody 2167 01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,600 Speaker 6: would know, it would be Alex because she's subjected to 2168 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,160 Speaker 6: sit next to you as you're just watching the video time. 2169 01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,439 Speaker 5: I've only watched Travis Hunter like three times. 2170 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,840 Speaker 3: So Alex, when you're you know, because you people don't know. 2171 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,680 Speaker 3: Theyre like Evan. We call it the bullpen. But they 2172 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,720 Speaker 3: share an area. So when Evan is watching film, does 2173 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:32,240 Speaker 3: he like make noises. 2174 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:37,080 Speaker 6: Like watch this, watch this, watch this cut? 2175 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:38,280 Speaker 2: No, he's locked in. 2176 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,760 Speaker 3: He doesn't like he's locked in. 2177 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,479 Speaker 2: He might shift a little, but I haven't picked up 2178 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,240 Speaker 2: on like the mannerisms and what they mean yet. 2179 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 5: But I'll we could take you a lot behind the newsletter, 2180 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:49,800 Speaker 5: but there's no. 2181 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,400 Speaker 4: Like, oh I don't know where you're here. 2182 01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,760 Speaker 2: No one's earned it yet, you know, so maybe I'm not. 2183 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,120 Speaker 5: I'm at the I'm so deep into it now that 2184 01:38:58,280 --> 01:38:59,920 Speaker 5: like anybody that was going to get a new and 2185 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,360 Speaker 5: I've already watched, like yeah, like we're really taled. This 2186 01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:04,000 Speaker 5: morning I was. 2187 01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,680 Speaker 6: Talking, he's already watched everybody. 2188 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,519 Speaker 5: This morning, I was talking. I was watching Terrence ferguson 2189 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,880 Speaker 5: The tight End from Oregon. It's a good player, but 2190 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,920 Speaker 5: like it's not you're not going to sit here and 2191 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,639 Speaker 5: be owing and eyeing over Terrence ferguson fourth round. 2192 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:21,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yesterday we were down in the bullpen and 2193 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,760 Speaker 4: some numbers came in. Yes Ah, and young Evan Uh, 2194 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,920 Speaker 4: you know, felt the need to come out and tell you. 2195 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,000 Speaker 4: I think Paul, were you use you and Matt. 2196 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,640 Speaker 6: We're all there. 2197 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:32,839 Speaker 3: A great segue. 2198 01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:34,799 Speaker 6: Wants to get into this, that's. 2199 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,120 Speaker 3: A great segue. So you're referring to the numbers of 2200 01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,320 Speaker 3: uh Campbell's arm length at his pro day, which came 2201 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,479 Speaker 3: in at thirty three. 2202 01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,080 Speaker 6: But what's the threshold again. 2203 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:52,559 Speaker 3: Thirty thirty three. But our friend Alex Barth, who has 2204 01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,920 Speaker 3: been doing a deep dive investigative reporting, has come out 2205 01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,960 Speaker 3: with a chart that now is his chart is right 2206 01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,760 Speaker 3: up there with Jimmy Johnson's draft trade value charts. Paul 2207 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,120 Speaker 3: came in and showed it right up there. Everyone's talking 2208 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:13,280 Speaker 3: about it, and he's uncovered. Show he's uncovered perhaps one 2209 01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:18,360 Speaker 3: of the greatest controversies ever to do with off season 2210 01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,479 Speaker 3: draft and all this stuff. And he's taken all these 2211 01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:26,120 Speaker 3: you know, pro days and to combine and compared it 2212 01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:32,160 Speaker 3: and combine everybody has higher arm measurements than the combine. 2213 01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,120 Speaker 3: He's uncovered that there has to be a flaw in 2214 01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,760 Speaker 3: the combine because all these other measurement tent pole events 2215 01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:44,479 Speaker 3: had arms longer than the combine. And he's got the proof. 2216 01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,720 Speaker 5: And just for the record, before Paul snarkiness kicks in, 2217 01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,120 Speaker 5: I'm not going to have it's not just like Will Campbell. 2218 01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,760 Speaker 3: Everybody, it's across the board. 2219 01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,320 Speaker 5: Now, I would also say, which I think is just 2220 01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,320 Speaker 5: this is honestly one of the craziest things I've ever 2221 01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,599 Speaker 5: seen in ten years covering the draft. We have three 2222 01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,120 Speaker 5: different arm length measurements for Will Campbell. All three of 2223 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,160 Speaker 5: them are different, so like there has to be one 2224 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,559 Speaker 5: that's right right, there has to be an accurate measurement. 2225 01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,400 Speaker 5: But last spring he measures in at thirty two and 2226 01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:16,000 Speaker 5: seven eights, then at the combine he measured in thirty 2227 01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,920 Speaker 5: two and five as then at his pro day he 2228 01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,599 Speaker 5: measured in at thirty three flat. So like we're in 2229 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,400 Speaker 5: the we're all in like a range right of a 2230 01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,439 Speaker 5: half an inch, Like we're not talking about inches here. 2231 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,960 Speaker 5: But it's just I've never seen the conversation, the discourse 2232 01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,639 Speaker 5: around it, the varying. 2233 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,680 Speaker 2: Now get to another level and track the temperatures of 2234 01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:38,400 Speaker 2: each of these places, because. 2235 01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,400 Speaker 4: Because it's unbelievable, things grow. 2236 01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:45,040 Speaker 19: It shrinking like there's always such as. 2237 01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:44,280 Speaker 5: One of the things. 2238 01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,760 Speaker 3: One of our one of our readers, and you know, 2239 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,360 Speaker 3: hear me out here. One of our readers had a 2240 01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,800 Speaker 3: good point. He's assuming that they the measurement goes to 2241 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:52,840 Speaker 3: the fingertip, right. 2242 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,519 Speaker 5: It goes to the paint tip at the long finger. 2243 01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 3: Right, okay, middle finger. But you don't punch like this. 2244 01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,600 Speaker 3: You punch like this. So what if somebody has extremely 2245 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:07,400 Speaker 3: long or short fingers, that shouldn't matter. It should be 2246 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,080 Speaker 3: to the heel of the hand. I'm serious, because that's 2247 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:13,679 Speaker 3: what you do. You don't go out like you're gonna 2248 01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:17,720 Speaker 3: break your things. So if you have short or long fingers, 2249 01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,080 Speaker 3: that could be the difference of three eighths. 2250 01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,320 Speaker 4: What's his hand length? Do we have his hand size? 2251 01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,280 Speaker 5: We do have his hand size. But I would just 2252 01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:30,639 Speaker 5: say that I hate it doesn't make. 2253 01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,639 Speaker 3: Sense to you because you go like this when you block, right, 2254 01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,040 Speaker 3: So I want to know another measurement to the heel 2255 01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:37,719 Speaker 3: in the hands. 2256 01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,680 Speaker 6: Everybody else, right, but. 2257 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,040 Speaker 3: Not if somebody has abnormally long or short. 2258 01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,600 Speaker 5: Fingers, if they have alien hands exactly, I'd rather have 2259 01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,479 Speaker 5: long I'd rather have the guy with the long hands. 2260 01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:53,200 Speaker 6: Why because you have more rooms? All do what more reach? 2261 01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:55,759 Speaker 3: He's not catching the ball if you're throwing or catching, 2262 01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:56,439 Speaker 3: I could see. 2263 01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,800 Speaker 6: This is this is like the fifteenth show in a row. 2264 01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,760 Speaker 6: I'll say this, Okay, I have no idea, Like I 2265 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,479 Speaker 6: don't know about the length of the arms. I don't 2266 01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:06,560 Speaker 6: know why it matters. 2267 01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,679 Speaker 3: I'm not we told you why. I don't protend matter. 2268 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,320 Speaker 6: I don't pretend to know. It's it's not something that 2269 01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:13,479 Speaker 6: I can't play dumb. 2270 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:13,840 Speaker 3: You know. 2271 01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,639 Speaker 6: I'm not saying dumb you are. I'm just saying that 2272 01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,799 Speaker 6: to these people it matters. 2273 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,200 Speaker 3: Yes, so it must matter because so. 2274 01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,320 Speaker 6: That's how I'm saying, like, so it matters, and like 2275 01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:29,439 Speaker 6: it this whole thing about trying to nitpick five eighths 2276 01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,479 Speaker 6: of an inch of three eights of an inch, I 2277 01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:33,519 Speaker 6: don't care, but they do. 2278 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,839 Speaker 3: Right, So we have to talk about at some point. 2279 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,880 Speaker 5: I don't know about it at some point, So why 2280 01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:40,840 Speaker 5: are you talking about you? 2281 01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,040 Speaker 6: But you don't know about it? So how do you 2282 01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,479 Speaker 6: know what his heel of the hand is? 2283 01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,679 Speaker 3: Because I know how to watch football. 2284 01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,880 Speaker 6: So now you have to a watcher of football and 2285 01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:50,920 Speaker 6: you're missing the point. 2286 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,640 Speaker 5: You don't know where you're playable's. 2287 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:53,960 Speaker 6: Arm link to the heel of the hand is either 2288 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,800 Speaker 6: I want to know and you don't know what the 2289 01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,160 Speaker 6: threshold to the heel of the hand is. Well, so 2290 01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:58,920 Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. 2291 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,679 Speaker 3: That's fine. I think we need radically change how they're 2292 01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,920 Speaker 3: judging the arm length of tackles trying to bring doesn't 2293 01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,080 Speaker 3: matter how long to the tip of the finger, because 2294 01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,759 Speaker 3: you don't use your fingers, use the heel of your hand. 2295 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,120 Speaker 4: You're not tickling them right, You're not tickling them right. 2296 01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,559 Speaker 6: I would just I would just say, if Mike Rabel, 2297 01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,639 Speaker 6: if Mike Rabel and Ryan Cowden believe that Will Campbell 2298 01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,839 Speaker 6: can play left tackle, I say, taking. 2299 01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:33,280 Speaker 3: All right, what is you think the hand new measurement technique? 2300 01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:36,920 Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying that. I would just say 2301 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,840 Speaker 5: my official stance on this at this point is that 2302 01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,559 Speaker 5: you either like the player or adults. And if you're 2303 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:45,280 Speaker 5: gonna get caught up in an eighth of an inch 2304 01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,439 Speaker 5: or or a three ace of an inch or whatever 2305 01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,360 Speaker 5: of arm length, then you probably just don't like the player, 2306 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,240 Speaker 5: which is your prerogative. Like it's fine, Like if you 2307 01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:54,960 Speaker 5: don't like him. You don't like him. We all have 2308 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,559 Speaker 5: our guys and he's not your guy. That's fine, But 2309 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:02,720 Speaker 5: at this point there's varying degrees of measurements for everybody. 2310 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,759 Speaker 5: We don't have, you know, a consensus measurement. I'd probably 2311 01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,680 Speaker 5: go by the combine because it's the safest one to 2312 01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,640 Speaker 5: go by, but just in general, either like him or 2313 01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:11,000 Speaker 5: you don't. 2314 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,720 Speaker 6: If they think he can play, I say, take him. 2315 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were very excited when the news came out. 2316 01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:17,759 Speaker 5: I was very excited. 2317 01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,639 Speaker 2: Told me that you had just won like the lottery 2318 01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:22,599 Speaker 2: to go to the Masters. 2319 01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:23,400 Speaker 4: I would have believed you. 2320 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,760 Speaker 3: Somebody said that when the news came out. Evan was 2321 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,240 Speaker 3: standing online at Starbucks and he dropped to his knees 2322 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,440 Speaker 3: and just sobbed. 2323 01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:36,160 Speaker 6: Downstairs lipstick camping. 2324 01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,320 Speaker 4: There was a mic to drop that was missing too, 2325 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,280 Speaker 4: because he got up with purpose and he's like, he 2326 01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,040 Speaker 4: came stre guys. 2327 01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:42,240 Speaker 8: I have. 2328 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:49,880 Speaker 2: Tell you, guys, the scene in the Work of Wall 2329 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,519 Speaker 2: Street where Leo tells his investment firm that he's not 2330 01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:55,920 Speaker 2: effing leaving like, imagine that energy. 2331 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,920 Speaker 6: I will not lay down my sword. 2332 01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:03,800 Speaker 3: The bottom line is Alex bar has uncovered the truth 2333 01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,960 Speaker 3: that there's problems I think we need to put them 2334 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,000 Speaker 3: on the Karen Reid case. 2335 01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:09,600 Speaker 2: You took the words out of my mouth and I 2336 01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:10,559 Speaker 2: was waiting for the right time. 2337 01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,439 Speaker 6: The truth that there's discrepancies in the measurements, yes, not 2338 01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,719 Speaker 6: that there's His conclusion is there's problems with the combine. 2339 01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,240 Speaker 6: I agree, and I don't think that that's. 2340 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:21,840 Speaker 5: They're thirty three inches. The combine screwed it up. 2341 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,080 Speaker 6: I have no idea. I just stand by if if 2342 01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,400 Speaker 6: Rabel and Cowden want them, I'm in poor Elliott. 2343 01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,760 Speaker 5: I would just say that I said what I said. 2344 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,040 Speaker 5: The other thing is, is you hear a lot is 2345 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,400 Speaker 5: that it shows up on tape, and my just my 2346 01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:43,559 Speaker 5: reaction to that would be tangibly, show me where. And 2347 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,479 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that I necessarily think it doesn't sometimes 2348 01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,960 Speaker 5: show up on tape, but like it's so easy for 2349 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,200 Speaker 5: you to just say, oh, well, it shows up on tape, 2350 01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:55,360 Speaker 5: Like tell me, like show me the evidence and you 2351 01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,479 Speaker 5: know of where this shows up on tape and and 2352 01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,400 Speaker 5: then maybe we can have a conversation about it. Totally, 2353 01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,360 Speaker 5: it would be an outlier. And if you just want 2354 01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,960 Speaker 5: to go by the numbers, his wingspan in his arm length, 2355 01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,519 Speaker 5: he's a statistical outlier to play tackle in the NFL. 2356 01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,599 Speaker 5: But if you watch the film at the SEC level 2357 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,880 Speaker 5: and a drop back NFL pro style offense, he plays 2358 01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,040 Speaker 5: a darn good left tackle. And if that's that's what. 2359 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:17,719 Speaker 6: You see, take that. 2360 01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,840 Speaker 4: That's what you see on film, Take a darn left 2361 01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:21,920 Speaker 4: I'm gonna make the same point. I mean, we did 2362 01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,680 Speaker 4: our we did a little mock draft video that we 2363 01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,479 Speaker 4: shot a couple days ago. But the point I made 2364 01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,639 Speaker 4: that nobody talks about was like, he's the they ranked, 2365 01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,320 Speaker 4: you know, raw athletic score like Will Campbell's seventeenth going 2366 01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 4: back to the eighties of all offensive lineman, like fifteen 2367 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,600 Speaker 4: hundred offensive lineman. He's like, you know, athletic score, it 2368 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,639 Speaker 4: is what it is. But still we spend so much 2369 01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,400 Speaker 4: time talking about his shortcomings. It's like, let's remember that 2370 01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,240 Speaker 4: this guy is crazy athletic and he's got a good attitude. 2371 01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:47,479 Speaker 5: The crazy athletic, extremely balanced, really strong upper body, really 2372 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,519 Speaker 5: strong punch in his hands when he does get his 2373 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:50,240 Speaker 5: hands on people. 2374 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:51,840 Speaker 3: Take them, yeah, I mean take them. 2375 01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,160 Speaker 5: He's a great He's the best offensive line draft. He 2376 01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:56,360 Speaker 5: plays guard. He plays guard. 2377 01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,400 Speaker 3: Take you take him at four and then you have 2378 01:47:58,439 --> 01:47:59,719 Speaker 3: fun with the rest of the draft. 2379 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,960 Speaker 4: His attitude too. I saw an interview from his pro 2380 01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:03,920 Speaker 4: day of him I feel like being like and I 2381 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,600 Speaker 4: don't care. He's just so sick of it. He's so 2382 01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,360 Speaker 4: sick of it, you know, and I get it like. 2383 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:10,360 Speaker 5: He's going to come in there with a chip on. 2384 01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:11,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 2385 01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,559 Speaker 6: I felt like, you what you're hoping for? For Diggs? 2386 01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,640 Speaker 6: I was like, just lie to me, Just slide to 2387 01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,840 Speaker 6: me and say, you know, like, you know, whoever takes me, 2388 01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,640 Speaker 6: I'm going to be excited to put. 2389 01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:26,240 Speaker 4: Can't you just like at the first one. 2390 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,360 Speaker 6: I'll be happy anywhere. Come on, he doesn't. 2391 01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:34,080 Speaker 5: I know he doesn't mean it, but just lie to crap, 2392 01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,000 Speaker 5: like what you think. Because my arms are an eighth 2393 01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,280 Speaker 5: of an inch shorter than somebody else's, I can't play 2394 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:40,200 Speaker 5: screw you. 2395 01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,560 Speaker 2: And when we draft him and it's awesome and I 2396 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,120 Speaker 2: don't cut that, cut that sound. 2397 01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,439 Speaker 6: Yeah you should get You should get up to somebody 2398 01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,439 Speaker 6: and just give him a quick, quick punch. Is that 2399 01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:52,920 Speaker 6: long enough? 2400 01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,240 Speaker 5: I do feel bad for him, though, because. 2401 01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,040 Speaker 6: We're gonna need some bill money for a first round pick, 2402 01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,960 Speaker 6: a proven as, so this would be great when we 2403 01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:05,840 Speaker 6: have him in here. Yeah, on the Friday don't ask him, 2404 01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,200 Speaker 6: oh man, and we can we can just say like, 2405 01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:09,599 Speaker 6: how do you so? How do you measure that? 2406 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,080 Speaker 5: Don't ask that, Claire. 2407 01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:14,240 Speaker 6: They're not gonna be able to ask him questions about 2408 01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:14,519 Speaker 6: his arm? 2409 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,799 Speaker 4: What are doing? How happy you to be? 2410 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:18,120 Speaker 3: Claire? 2411 01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:18,360 Speaker 9: Rights? 2412 01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:19,120 Speaker 4: And hello everyone? 2413 01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:22,439 Speaker 3: Hellover in just chiming in as long as they secure 2414 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,920 Speaker 3: something decent at left tackle, not elite, just a good 2415 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,320 Speaker 3: NFL guy. I'm with Fred ten wins season. 2416 01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,320 Speaker 6: Let's go there, we go, maybe twelve, let's go. 2417 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,320 Speaker 4: It's too optimistically positive. 2418 01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,880 Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the hotline. Nelson's in LA. 2419 01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:39,479 Speaker 3: What's up? Nelson? Don't swear? 2420 01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:41,640 Speaker 6: I don't think you called him up? 2421 01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,799 Speaker 3: Nelson? Nelson? 2422 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:47,320 Speaker 6: Good Man? 2423 01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:54,760 Speaker 8: I got a question, Yeah, why you're not bringing back 2424 01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,360 Speaker 8: Patrick back? 2425 01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,800 Speaker 3: What am I going to bring? 2426 01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,960 Speaker 8: Weg what patri. 2427 01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,679 Speaker 6: What's called the paper? 2428 01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,520 Speaker 8: Pay book? Play book? Pats playbook? 2429 01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:11,960 Speaker 3: Oh uh, we're not. 2430 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,880 Speaker 8: Are you gonna do like that? Man? 2431 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:15,240 Speaker 3: It's been discontinued. 2432 01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:17,439 Speaker 8: I know, but you're not gonna. 2433 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,599 Speaker 3: You know, we have to make we have to make changes. 2434 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,920 Speaker 3: All right, Man is listening next to you and playbook 2435 01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:32,519 Speaker 3: and you're gonna okay, Well, you know, things happen, you know, 2436 01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:36,080 Speaker 3: life changes. You gotta adapt, you know, roll with the punches. 2437 01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:37,759 Speaker 2: Alright. 2438 01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:43,040 Speaker 8: I love your podcast. Okay, guys for day I like the. 2439 01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,920 Speaker 6: Pak Okay, thanks, thanks Nelson. 2440 01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:52,679 Speaker 3: Let's get to uh Sam in Connecticut. What's up Sam? 2441 01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:54,000 Speaker 12: Hey, guys, how's it going? 2442 01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:54,479 Speaker 3: Good? 2443 01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:55,600 Speaker 11: Questions? 2444 01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:57,559 Speaker 12: Uh, I know towards the end of the show, so 2445 01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:58,479 Speaker 12: I'll keep it quick. 2446 01:50:58,960 --> 01:50:59,080 Speaker 8: Uh. 2447 01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,720 Speaker 12: My first question, and you know, there's been a lot 2448 01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,679 Speaker 12: of talk about who we're going to take a number 2449 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,479 Speaker 12: four uh, you know with you guys and you know 2450 01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:10,599 Speaker 12: most Patriots coverage. But I'm curious, who do you guys 2451 01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:13,559 Speaker 12: like with our second pick. I'd love to hear, you know, 2452 01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,200 Speaker 12: probably tackles and receivers, just because I think those are 2453 01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:19,559 Speaker 12: our biggest holes. We obviously don't know who we're going 2454 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:21,880 Speaker 12: to take the first round. Uh, so I'd love to 2455 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,559 Speaker 12: hear your kind of names for that. 2456 01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:24,479 Speaker 8: Uh. 2457 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,639 Speaker 12: In second Evan, I know earlier you mentioned we still 2458 01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,439 Speaker 12: don't have like a guy who can get to the 2459 01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:34,559 Speaker 12: third level. I believe that Lockett is still a free agent, 2460 01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,880 Speaker 12: and I know back in Seattle he was able to, 2461 01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,400 Speaker 12: you know, make some big plays. 2462 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:39,880 Speaker 6: Uh. 2463 01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,000 Speaker 12: Do you have any thoughts on him if he's still available, 2464 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:44,479 Speaker 12: do you do you think he still kind of has 2465 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,600 Speaker 12: the ability to do that. I'll leave you guys answering, no. 2466 01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:48,599 Speaker 3: Thank you. 2467 01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, A Locket's always to me been like more like 2468 01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,040 Speaker 5: a speed slot, like you guy that's played inside a 2469 01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,080 Speaker 5: little bit more on on the outside. I love Tyler 2470 01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:01,360 Speaker 5: Locke's he's in, but he's more pretty sim Ortstefon Diggs. Honestly, 2471 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:02,360 Speaker 5: he's a technician. 2472 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,080 Speaker 6: I think they're interested in him. Yeah, just listening to 2473 01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:11,320 Speaker 6: my shows, and Zoe in particular, who obviously knows something. 2474 01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,599 Speaker 5: So knows, I would be wondering how they would fit 2475 01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,400 Speaker 5: those two guys together, you know. I think I think 2476 01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,439 Speaker 5: there's a lot of positional overlap there. Not that I 2477 01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:18,760 Speaker 5: would turn down the talent. 2478 01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,599 Speaker 6: And I do think that he has shown some signs 2479 01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:25,120 Speaker 6: of being close to done too, But I am He's 2480 01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,479 Speaker 6: always been a player that that's intrigued me because of 2481 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,719 Speaker 6: what evan. I love the way of the speed slot, 2482 01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,040 Speaker 6: like that Christian Kirk, the Brandon Cooks. I love that 2483 01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,680 Speaker 6: profile of the player. Lockett's been really good at that 2484 01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,320 Speaker 6: role for a long time. I'd kick the tires he 2485 01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,000 Speaker 6: might be being available at this time. 2486 01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,000 Speaker 4: And in response to his other question, I would say, 2487 01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:49,439 Speaker 4: you know, I think Connory ursery of the tackles around 2488 01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:50,120 Speaker 4: that area, and. 2489 01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,000 Speaker 3: Well, if Mason Graham slides, I take him in the 2490 01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:52,599 Speaker 3: second round. 2491 01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always tough. Like you know, they picked thirty eight, 2492 01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:57,040 Speaker 5: tell me who goes one through thirty seven, and I 2493 01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:58,679 Speaker 5: can tell you who they're taking at thirty eight. 2494 01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:00,960 Speaker 4: But there will be good defensive ends. 2495 01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, as well, you 2496 01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,400 Speaker 5: know all those pass rushers that might slip through the 2497 01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:09,080 Speaker 5: first round. The one guy that I'm really very interested 2498 01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,479 Speaker 5: in whether or not he's on their board is Mike 2499 01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,719 Speaker 5: Green from Marshall because he's a top ten to fifteen 2500 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,719 Speaker 5: ish talent in this class. There's some off field stuff 2501 01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,040 Speaker 5: with him that needs to be vetted. 2502 01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,040 Speaker 4: I didn't know he was, well, he's at the combine. 2503 01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,040 Speaker 4: It was the first time I combined and somebody being like, 2504 01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,800 Speaker 4: I've never been charged with anything, like he went right out, 2505 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:27,960 Speaker 4: Like I heard him say. 2506 01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,040 Speaker 6: That, I was like convicted. 2507 01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,519 Speaker 5: So there's two different incidents, one one in high school 2508 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,640 Speaker 5: and then one early on at Virginia in college and 2509 01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,840 Speaker 5: he actually got kicked out of the Virginia program and 2510 01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:43,120 Speaker 5: transferred to Marshall as a result. So there's some off 2511 01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:49,080 Speaker 5: field character concerns there, but he's a really really good player. 2512 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:49,920 Speaker 4: Senior bowl jump out to you. 2513 01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I like the value there. 2514 01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,080 Speaker 5: You know, he has really good tap against Ohio State, 2515 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,880 Speaker 5: Like I know, he played at Marshall, so people are like, well, 2516 01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,799 Speaker 5: what's the competition, But they played Ohio State got killed 2517 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,400 Speaker 5: as a team. He looked like he belonged on the 2518 01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,400 Speaker 5: field against bb. 2519 01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,400 Speaker 3: In New Hampshire, writes in Love that Fred calls out 2520 01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:07,519 Speaker 3: Mike for using I think and then proceeds to say, 2521 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,360 Speaker 3: I think to start in a row. 2522 01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:10,160 Speaker 4: We're working on it. 2523 01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:14,320 Speaker 3: Hey, did I miss something? Why do we hate saying 2524 01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,479 Speaker 3: I think? I thought? Sorry that we liked and wanted 2525 01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,040 Speaker 3: more critical thinking around here. No, it's just a matter 2526 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:25,360 Speaker 3: of being more definitive in having your statement have more weight. Yeah, 2527 01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:31,000 Speaker 3: like off off topic question, Alex, how do we feel 2528 01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:34,240 Speaker 3: about men advisors? I personally think their pointless, except that 2529 01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,040 Speaker 3: it's an excuse for a dude to show off that 2530 01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,320 Speaker 3: he's still has hair. Who cares you look like your 2531 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,720 Speaker 3: hat budget ran out once you got past the brim. 2532 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,280 Speaker 3: Wear a hat like a human. 2533 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've dressed this on the show. But 2534 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:50,440 Speaker 2: I'm not ins no, weird tam line too. 2535 01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,720 Speaker 6: Why do you want that's Andy Hart special? 2536 01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,040 Speaker 4: I'd like to hear his impassionate defensive advisors. Why does 2537 01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:00,920 Speaker 4: he loves because he can't get Yeah? Yeah, sorry. 2538 01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:04,680 Speaker 3: Carolyn Georgia might have the question of the week. First, 2539 01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,440 Speaker 3: she says, I love the show. Then she says, second, 2540 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:09,320 Speaker 3: why do you guys never know the news from the 2541 01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,120 Speaker 3: team and rely on reports from outside sources? This doesn't 2542 01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,760 Speaker 3: make sense. You worked there. It's a good question. It's 2543 01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:16,640 Speaker 3: a very good question. 2544 01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:17,000 Speaker 6: Now we. 2545 01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we we you know, we don't know 2546 01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,640 Speaker 3: that much more than people on the outside. 2547 01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,839 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, same but separate. 2548 01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,960 Speaker 2: Yes, we can't say yeah, that's sometimes the case too. 2549 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,440 Speaker 3: Chad says length does matter, think of boxing. 2550 01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,320 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody is saying length doesn't matter. No, 2551 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,240 Speaker 5: that's why we're having these conversations for the past three months. 2552 01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, Jeremiah says, with the additions at free 2553 01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,440 Speaker 3: agency and excluding dred, what would you say this? We 2554 01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,320 Speaker 3: talked about floors and winds. We already talked about that. 2555 01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:56,840 Speaker 6: We have Fred's get twelve winds. 2556 01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,400 Speaker 3: Would you guys get I never said that. 2557 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:01,480 Speaker 4: A very important call at two o'clock. 2558 01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,480 Speaker 3: I never said that care all right, all right, we 2559 01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:08,000 Speaker 3: have a lot of email. Why get one more call 2560 01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,640 Speaker 3: and then we'll hang it up. Todd's in North Carolina. 2561 01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:11,360 Speaker 3: What's up, Todd? 2562 01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,000 Speaker 17: Hey, guys, just in a kind of a strange show 2563 01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,120 Speaker 17: talking about you know, firm and then swishy and all 2564 01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:19,160 Speaker 17: sorts of stuff. And then previously, you know, other show 2565 01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:20,360 Speaker 17: has been here and tapping the class. 2566 01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:20,720 Speaker 8: I don't know. 2567 01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,080 Speaker 17: I think you guys gone a little bit off the rails. 2568 01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,160 Speaker 3: It's the off season. 2569 01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:25,960 Speaker 2: But Todd as opposed to win. 2570 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:27,120 Speaker 3: Have you never listened to. 2571 01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,560 Speaker 6: This show before we took the call before we end when. 2572 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,480 Speaker 8: We got to see you for over ten years. 2573 01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,760 Speaker 17: Anyway, we'll get Chris Canty thinks that as a Giant, 2574 01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,120 Speaker 17: the Giants are canning for Manning. He doesn't think that 2575 01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,440 Speaker 17: they're going to He actually thought they might even trade 2576 01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:41,400 Speaker 17: out of that pick if. 2577 01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:42,120 Speaker 12: They had the chance. 2578 01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:46,040 Speaker 17: So I think that kind of maybe changes what our 2579 01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,720 Speaker 17: chances are of getting either of those guys. I think 2580 01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:50,840 Speaker 17: we're looking at Campbell and that's where kind of where 2581 01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:53,360 Speaker 17: I'm at. So I just get in the show with that. 2582 01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:54,280 Speaker 17: We'll calculator. 2583 01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:56,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. 2584 01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,000 Speaker 3: What do you think about that canny for Manning, though, 2585 01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:01,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you bring in Russell Wilson, you're gonna tell 2586 01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:02,120 Speaker 3: him you can't win. 2587 01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,880 Speaker 6: I don't think they're doing that. 2588 01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,520 Speaker 5: Arch hasn't played enough. Like he hasn't. I haven't seen 2589 01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:09,880 Speaker 5: enough of Arch Manning. 2590 01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,480 Speaker 3: To think, well you will after next season. 2591 01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:13,920 Speaker 5: Sure, but let me get it. I'll have a take 2592 01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:17,040 Speaker 5: next season. Like you know, when you saw Trevor Lawrence 2593 01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:19,960 Speaker 5: at Clemson or uh, you know Andrew Luck at Stanford, 2594 01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,840 Speaker 5: they had undergraduate tape that we were you know, they had, 2595 01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:25,800 Speaker 5: you know, true sophomore tape that everybody was saying, franchise 2596 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,880 Speaker 5: quarterback like Arch Manning is barely played at Texas. 2597 01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:30,800 Speaker 3: At this point. Yeah, you don't know fourth and short. 2598 01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,080 Speaker 5: So like, I just feel like it's weird that I'm 2599 01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:33,840 Speaker 5: saying he's like this. 2600 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,960 Speaker 6: I think it's weird to bring in a veteran quarterback 2601 01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,800 Speaker 6: if your idea is to get the first pick the 2602 01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,120 Speaker 6: following year. Like forget about what you know or don't 2603 01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,520 Speaker 6: know about Arch Manning, which everything you said is accurately 2604 01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:45,240 Speaker 6: played against like Texas San Antonio, have the. 2605 01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:48,600 Speaker 3: Field Cutlet guy play. 2606 01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:48,840 Speaker 6: If you want to lose and you want to get 2607 01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:52,320 Speaker 6: in position to get manning. Tommy DeVito's your quarter, right well, 2608 01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:54,440 Speaker 6: Jameis Winston, He'll make sure you get the first pick 2609 01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:54,840 Speaker 6: in the draft. 2610 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,800 Speaker 3: There you go. All right, that's gonna be it for 2611 01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:59,920 Speaker 3: this edition of Patriots Unfilter. 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