1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: One ever told you a prediction of iHeartRadio? 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: And today I thought it would be fun to bring 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: back the episode we did on persuasion because we just 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: did Pride and Prejudice and I've loved some of you 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: have already written in about that. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Really Jane Austen's work. 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: Well, it was cool because a lot of people wrote 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: in with like, I don't know if you've heard about 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: this person who does this, So this person who does 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: this with it, so that's really cool. But in that 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: episode we mentioned some history with Jane Austen that I 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: know we went into a little bit more in depth 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: in this episode. But you know, I also thought it 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: would just be fun to go kind of back to 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: back with these, so please enjoy this classic episode. 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm not going to steffan never told you production of iHeartRadio. 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: And we are continuing with our classics theme month of September. 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: I feel like that goes with fall and Pumpkin Spies 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: if you like it, ask curiosity. Have you read other 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: Jane Austen books? 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if I actually this is my first 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Jane Austen book. I a Jane Austen movie. 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 3: I had just popped your bubble. 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: That was really gross. Sorry. 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: So, yeah, we're talking about Jane Austen. And because this 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: is probably my favorite book of Jane Austen. As much 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: as I love Pride and Prejudice and I love all 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: the others, Persuasion is I think my favorite of her books. 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: It's probably one of the smaller ones of her books. 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: I can't quite remember. It's not that long overread, but 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: I love everything about it. There are a lot to 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: be said. We know this is very old fashioned, talk 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: about the themes as if we were from the early 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, late seventeen hundreds. Maybe I don't know, but yes, 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: it was something. Jane Austen is one of my favorites. 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: I love her wit, I love her sarcasm. Everything still 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: seems so nice and gentle. And then you read back 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, she just insulted that person. That's amazing. 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: That's the level. That is my personality in itself. And 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: there's all two people who deserve it. That's even better. 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: Like her characters stand up to people, stand up to society. 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about all of this now again. Yes, 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: we've talked a little b about Jane Austen before and 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: the works. I still really want to do this Jane 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: Austen tour that we had talked about previously with our 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: guest who came on and that's what she does. And 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, why am I not there? 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: Like touring bath. I need to see this. But I 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: guess as we can't do that, we'll just take a 52 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: tour with the book, right, We'll just go with our 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: imagination of what this may be. 54 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Anyone who has a hookup, you know, calling here, I 55 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: need to be. 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: There though, that's what that's the same here. But yeah, 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: So we wanted to do a quick run through of 58 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: Jane Austin's biographical history. It seems, according to many of 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: the different articles about her life, that she, like others, 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: used her life experiences in her novels. Her stories are 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: often told in wit and sarcasm, and was a statement 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: of the unfair rules and standards placed on women. And 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: though her novels typically end with happy endings, with her 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: heroines getting married to well situated men for love, and 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: her own life was not so perfectly put together, Jane 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: Austin never married. She did get engaged once but ended 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: it because she was not in love with the man. 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: And then there was another man, many who called him 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: her first love, who was ushered away from her essentially 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: like take it away, because they were like, this is 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: not going to work out. She has no money. You 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: need money. So he married full wealth and they never 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: see each other again. If you've ever seen the movie 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: Being Jane Austin, they actually do a little bit of 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: the back and forth. It's actually a really good movie. 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: I liked it. But yeah, so it's really sad overall. 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, geez, It's not like she wasn't prolific and successful, but. 78 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: It took a little while. They didn't know her name 79 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: till after she died. 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about that, right, yes, Okay. 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: So though Jane's work was published in her lifetime, her 82 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: work was not as appreciated then as it is now. 83 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: She was successful after her brother, taking on the title 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: of her literary agent, sent her novel sent in Sensibility, 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: to be published in eighteen thirteen, and later she would 86 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: go on to publish Pride and Prejudice, which was also 87 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: a success. And yeah, all the while her names were 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: not attached to the publishing of these stories, but instead 89 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: it was authored as a lady. It wasn't until after 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: her death that she was recognized for her work. Her 91 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: brother Henry and sister Cassandra pushed for her last two novels, 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: North Ainger Abbey and Persuasion, to be published after her death. 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: I do think this is interesting because we have talked 94 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: about this in the writing of romance novels and the 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: writing of horror and science fiction with women in these 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: early days, about publishing not with their name but still 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: getting these followings. And one of my very fun, favorite 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: fun facts about Jane Austen is she had the first 99 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: one of the first fan fiction groups called the Austinites, 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: yes well they. 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: Were apparently was the jay Knights as well, I believe 102 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: was the name for some of our fans, and it was. 103 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: She actually did have a following during her times of writing. 104 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: People loved her book initially, though her father, before he died, 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 3: tried to get one of her books published and he 106 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: couldn't do it. It's not Gnomes supposedly that she whether or 107 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: not she knew that her father tried to do this 108 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: for her because he loved her book. There was another 109 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: publisher who held onto a book I believe called Susan, 110 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 3: and since then he would not publish it. He just 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: left it on his desk. She sent him a letter 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: like you needed to give it back or publish this 113 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: or something, and she initialed it as mad because she 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: was very angry with me, and like this whole thing 115 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: went back and forth that he would publish it, but 116 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 3: she would have to pay ten pounds. They did not 117 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: have it because they were not well off. After the 118 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: father died, they moved around everywhere trying to find a place. 119 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: Finally settled into her brother's cottage near her land and 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: was able to do that. And apparently her writing, most 121 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: like everybody else, went with her moods. So she wasn't 122 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: in a good place, she couldn't write, And when she 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: got into a good place she wrote and it was beautiful, 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: So it was pretty interesting. Of course, we're not talking 125 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: too much more about the characters of the book. Many 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: people do reflect. They do look at her family and 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: their silliness and their hot hypochondria, like all of these 128 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: things that we see in each one of her books. 129 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: So you will see a character that is silly as 130 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: she would say, and ridiculous and not so smart, or 131 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: you would see one that was always sick and needy 132 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: and someone needed to take care of her. And a 133 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: lot of these were apparently based on her mom from 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: what I gather, but we don't know this to the 135 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: point that apparently when the mom read Mansfield Park, she 136 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: really felt that the mother character was cruelly treated, and 137 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: then that the character, the heroine, was just ridiculously and 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: insipid what she said. So a lot of those things. 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: But they did love her writing enough to give her 140 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: time to do it and realize that she was successful 141 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: at it and was able to get some money from it. 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: Now when they weren't successful, they had to pay it back, 143 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: which was a whole different conversation in itself. So there's 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: a lot of things that went on. She has some 145 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: unfinished novels that people have tried to complete, including the 146 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: author I believe of Bridgerton. She tried to complete it, 147 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: but have yet to be seen as successes. I've not 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: seen anything that's come off. It's like this is it. 149 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: Austin died at the young age of forty one, before 150 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: being recognized against for her accomplishments and a lot of 151 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: who she was or what we could have learned, is 152 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: lost to us because letters were burned and her reputation 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: was glossed over by her family. Literally, Henry was trying 154 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: to make her look like the most unpeachable, amazing woman 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: in the world. Pictures of her apparently were altered so 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: that she would be the perfect beauty. All of these 157 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: things in order to sell the books or sell her 158 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: reputation with the books. But of course we do know 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: that she was actually really upbeat individual who had a 160 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: great personality, and she would advise others to not fall 161 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: to the outdated standards of marriage by seeking love and wit, 162 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: which aparently she told us to a niece. She did 163 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: not seem to regret saying no to the dude who 164 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: had a lot of money. She would have been wealthy. 165 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: They would have been taken care of. But yet, you know, 166 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: which is what we see in her works today, except 167 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: with happier endings, obviously obviously. So, now that you know 168 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 3: a little bit about Jane Austen, let's dig into persuasions. 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: Are you ready? 170 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: Oh yes, are you ready? 171 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: All right? So this was written and originally titled The Elliotts, 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: and it was later edited and renamed as Persuasion. The novel, 173 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: as we mentioned before, was one of Austin's last, and 174 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 3: many argue is one of her more sophisticated works, like 175 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: she finally figured had her style, she had these mature 176 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: words again opinions of others, and though many argue that 177 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: her unfinished works could have been just as iconic, if 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: not more. In a statement and commentary on society at 179 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: the time, apparently she was writing a book about snake 180 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: oil dealers, essentially about people trying to bring people in 181 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: based on this water healing that was happening at the time. 182 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: So could have been an amazing book. And I think 183 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: people really really wish that they had been finished. Of course, 184 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: not her fault, and that's why people are trying to 185 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: finish it. 186 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: That makes me sad, all right. 187 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: But in this book we are introduced to the Elliots, 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: a family who has come upon some hard times, partially 189 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: due to the main character's father, Sir Wallace Elliott, who 190 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: is a vain and stubborn man that clings to titles 191 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: and status more than anything else. But before we get there, 192 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: we are quickly informed that Anne, a sweet pleasing young 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: woman who is the main character, I would say had 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: fallen in love at a young age with a man 195 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: named Frederick Wentworth who would soon set sail. 196 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: As a naval man. 197 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the navy in this one. But this 198 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: match was opposed by her family as Frederick had no 199 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: money or status at the time, and again that was 200 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: really important back then, but especially to her. 201 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: Father, and Anne was persuaded. 202 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: By her closest friend, inventor Lady Russell, and her family 203 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: to turn down the proposal, which would haunt her for 204 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: years to come. 205 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. Years later, we see Anne alone and having to 206 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: take care of her remaining family after the death of 207 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: our sweet mother. With the debt and financial issues plaguing 208 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: the family, her father is persuaded to let the house 209 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: or rent it out Kellynch Hall, while he and his 210 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: seemingly favorite child Elizabeth, decide to move to Beth because 211 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: you know, it's cheaper and of course it would be 212 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: they would be of upstanding citizenship and so higher class 213 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: in a small town like Bath, and though she doesn't 214 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: want to and also prepares to go to Bath with 215 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 3: the family until she's asked to remain near her home 216 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: with her youngest sister Mary A hypochondriac married to Charles 217 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: Musgraves and their children for a little while, and we 218 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: find out later that Charles Musgroves originally asked Anne to 219 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: marry him. Right, that doesn't happen and he marries Mary instead. 220 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: So here we meet Charles and his family, his father, mother, 221 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: and two sisters, Henriette and Louise, who are very fond 222 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: of Anne and oftentimes wishes Anne had married Charles. Yes, 223 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: Anne becomes the sounding board between all of them, of 224 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: the mini complaints and Elma's and all of the such 225 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: so unfortunately she has to be the nice one that 226 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: is the middle ground for people to come to and 227 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: try to be rational. Soon after we meet the Crofts, 228 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: who have least kellynch Hall, Admiral Croft and his wife Sophia. 229 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 3: Sophia happens to be oh, the sister of Frederick Wentworth. 230 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: Oh No, which opens up the novel to the upcoming 231 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 3: high jinks that we're about to talk about. 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, all right, So soon enters Wentworth, who is 233 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: now Captain Wentworth, rich and accomplished and apparently still very handsome. 234 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: Still very handsome, you gotta remember that, yes, and. 235 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: Is also obviously still hurt at being rejected by Anne, 236 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: and even comments on how Anne has quote been. 237 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: So altered since he last saw her. 238 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: Oh and now being twenty seven, Anne is seen as 239 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: sort of a spinster. Oh no, the worst twenty seven, 240 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: Oh no. And he seems to be interested in both 241 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: of the young Musgrove ladies, and they are very interested 242 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: in him too, even at the expense of Charles Hayter, 243 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: who is trying to court Henrietta at the time. And 244 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: as she and the Musgroves and Crofts all go on 245 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: a lovely trip to Lyme Regis, we see Wentworth seemingly pursue. 246 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: These young women even more. 247 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: Here we meet captains Harville and Benwick, who are friends 248 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: of Captain Wentworth. Benwick was at this point mourning the 249 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: death of his fiance and seemed to be getting close 250 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: to Anne, as they had a common love of writing 251 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: and poetry. But soon, of course, more drama occurs, at 252 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: which time Louisa falls while jumping from a seawall, causing 253 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: her to get a concussion and causing her to she 254 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: needs to be under constant surveillance, which happens to be 255 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Yes the care under the watchful eye of Captain Wentworth 256 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: and the Harville's family who lived there. So she has 257 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: this injury and he's like, well, I've got to look 258 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: out for her. Then I got to make sure she covers. 259 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: He feels very guilty because obviously he didn't stop her. 260 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: And Ann soon returns to be with her father and 261 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: sister in Beth after that incident, and there she meets 262 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: with William Elliott, who is she had actually had contact 263 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: with at the at Lime. So we see this moment 264 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: and apparently at that at the beach, she looked really beautiful. 265 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: Of course, I guess it affected her. Now she's more 266 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: beautiful than ever. I do think it's quite funny because 267 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: we'll talk about this in a bit, but the fact 268 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: that she they keep commenting on how some people get 269 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: more attractive when when as they get older, but it's rare, like, yeah, 270 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: I like that, this is what's happening to our dear Anne. 271 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: And yeah. So she meets with William Elliott, a cousin 272 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: and the heir to the fortune of their family, who 273 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: once was supposed to marry Elizabeth. I think it was 274 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: intended that way, but rejected both her and the family 275 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: to marry another rich woman, which did not go over 276 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: well with Sir Elliott, obviously, because that was completely slighting 277 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: of his favorite daughter. All of those things, and that 278 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: wife dies and so now he is a rich widower 279 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: coming background. But he soon changed their minds with his 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: charm and attention, and even Lady Russell, who was hopeful 281 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: that he would marry Anne, saw that he was in 282 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: good standing and was approving of him. But however, Anne 283 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: was suspicious of him. It was too much. But while 284 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: in Bath and was able to reconnect with our friend 285 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: Missus Smith, who was a widow and was ill at 286 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: the time and unfortunately very poor because things had gone 287 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: wrong with her husband's fortune. There she and Missus Smith 288 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: are able to reconnect and talk about the gossip around Bath. 289 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: Yes, and soon all the Musgroves and Crofts decided to 290 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: come to Bath as well. 291 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Oh, dear. 292 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: Anne has learned that Louisa is now engaged to Captain 293 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: Benwick and that Henrietta was now engaged to Charles Hayter, 294 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: and all seemed happy and well with them. And then 295 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: of course Anne runs into Captain Wentworth and has an 296 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: interesting They have an interesting exchange together. However, at the 297 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: same time, mister Elliott, which by the way, this was 298 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: very like game of prones to me where I'm like, 299 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: I need a chart to cheap track of who is who? 300 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Elliott's going around. 301 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: I know, I know, said Sir Elliott. 302 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes not her father, her cousin was 303 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: trying to wiggle his way into her affections, causing Wentworth 304 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: to be both jealous and deterred. And it was soon 305 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: after that Anne discovered from her friend, Missus Smith, how 306 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: deceptive and uncaring mister Elliott really was, so her suspicions 307 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: were correct, and she resolved to let Lady Russell know 308 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: of his character. But before she could, she and Wentworth 309 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: were able to reconnect and soon became engaged. Mister Elliott leaves, 310 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: taking Missus Clay, a woman who was trying to seduce 311 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: her way into the Elliott family. Was a friend of Elizabeth. 312 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: By the way, Yes, and Anne and Captain Wentworth get married. 313 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: Lady Russell admits her mistake and accepts the couple as 314 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: new friends. 315 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: Yes, and all of this to say also, Miss Smith 316 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: had connections with mister Elliott, who was not great, and 317 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: she was trying to get someone to help her get 318 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: her fortunes because there was a little bit of money 319 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: out there and Captain Wentworth helped her and she was 320 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: able to live and everybody was happy. Everybody was happy. 321 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeay. Although I kind of that whole Missus Clay thing. 322 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: I was kind of like Damn Okay. 323 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: Who has two children, who was the daughter of the 324 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: lawyer that helped get all these things in place. There's 325 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: so many characters we left out. I'm sorry, but you 326 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: should go and read the book. It's short. If you 327 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 3: like these things, go for it. I will say I 328 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: tried to watch the new movie with Dakota Johnson. I 329 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: could not get through it because I know what they 330 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 3: were trying to do, but it was not working for 331 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: me as a lover of this classic in the way 332 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: it is formed to have Dakota Johnson portray Anne Elliott 333 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: as a bumbling, clumsy woman who brags about herself and 334 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: is just bitter, which is her whole thing is like 335 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: to be better. At the very beginning, she talks about 336 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: losing him, being a little angry about what was happening, 337 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: and then all she does is drink, sit in the corner, 338 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: lay face on the bed, like she takes baths by 339 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: herself like. This is how it introduces an I'm like. 340 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: Throughout the entire book, Jane austen portrays Anne as someone 341 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: who understands why and there's no way she could have 342 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 3: married him at that point and be where she was 343 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: today as happy and being glad that it worked out 344 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: this way no matter what. And then her whole character again, 345 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: she's a little too pristine, too smart, but like it's 346 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 3: to be unseen in the corner, and trying not to 347 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: bring any ripples about being a little heartbroken that he 348 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: seems to have I'm not forgiven her and is trying 349 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: to move on with these other women type of things. 350 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: In the movie, at the very beginning of the scene 351 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: where I talked about how Charles Musgroves says was supposed 352 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: to had originally proposed to Anne. In the book, the 353 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: sisters revealed to Captain Wentworth that he had originally proposed 354 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 3: and they had wished that she had gotten married to him. 355 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: In the movie, Anne blurts it out at the dinner 356 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: table in front of everyone, to everybody's chocolate. She proposed 357 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 3: to me first, and everybody was like, what, so that 358 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 3: is that? And I was like, absolutely not, absolutely not. 359 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: I can't do this. I can't do this. So for 360 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: those of you who may have seen the movie and 361 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: they actually liked it. 362 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: There's a grimace on Samantha's face, but she's trying to 363 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: power through. 364 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: I'm just like, let me know what I missed out, 365 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 3: maybe to rectify and come back to it, because after 366 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: that scene, I was like, no, I can't do this. 367 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. It's fair. 368 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: I mean you've said before, you've got your your versions 369 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: that you like Harry passionate about this. 370 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: When you alter it so greatly, it's just becomes This 371 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: entire movie is supposed to be a lot of cringe 372 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: moments like oh oh, like she makes fun of him 373 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: and he walks in to hear her make fun of 374 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: her him. That does not happen. There's a moment where 375 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: again she screams like she's supposed to be across the way. 376 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: She screams his name because he's talking to a girl 377 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: the girls, and she's jealous, and then she hides away 378 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: underneath it because she yells his name and everybody's like, 379 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: what like all of these things it's supposed to be 380 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: like the cringe worthy level, and I'm like, oh, I 381 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: don't even like that. Yeah, when I do, like a 382 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: movie so maybe, And the take is like I think 383 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: it's supposed to be a modern take back then because 384 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: they rank people about you're a ten here, but they're 385 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: that type of thing. So I think that's what they 386 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: were trying to do with it, to make this new 387 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: type of thing. But I'm like that works. I feel 388 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: like more so with like Clueless or ten things that 389 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: I hate about you, where they flip it to be 390 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: like taking the old tail into a modern take. Sure, 391 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: but try to do a modern take to in the 392 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 3: old tail in that timeline doesn't feel like it works. 393 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's difficult to pull off for sure. 394 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: For sure. 395 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 3: I say that as I still kind of like Night's 396 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: Till and that's a whole different movie and they do that. 397 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh again, it can be done, Yeah, just not 398 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: easily done. 399 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: It's not easily done. It's okay now that I've printed 400 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: about that themes, all right, So of course one of 401 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: the big themes is women in society and their role 402 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: in society at that point and time, because all throughout 403 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: Austin's books you will see that as the main plot 404 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: of all of them is trying to find a good marriage. 405 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think this is one of the things that. 406 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: Can be easily forgotten, but at this time it was 407 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: a huge deal for like, that was your purpose, especially 408 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: in this where they were located. And the timing of 409 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: this was as a woman, you have to have a 410 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 2: pretty upstanding, polite society reputation and then you will be 411 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: married off and what is hopefully a financially good decision 412 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: for the woman and the family. 413 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: And it was, I mean, it was a huge it 414 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: was very important. 415 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: You couldn't known anything like I mean with what happened 416 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: to Jane austen Or she died poor, even though she'd 417 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: written all this stuff that is so successful now, but 418 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: she didn't get married, and so it was seen as 419 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: a failure. And I think that that can sometimes get lost. 420 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: And I did enjoy that the importance of it was 421 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: still there, but it was like underlaid with all of 422 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: the slayers of gossip, kind of like pettiness and a 423 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: lot of stuff about class, which is pretty common for 424 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: these kinds of books as well. But yeah, I mean, 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: that's the whole thing is like her sister's trying to 426 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: get married. Her other sister did get married. She's got 427 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: to get married because their father went into debt, like 428 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: it's all of the stuff about well, I got to 429 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: do this for the family and for money essentially. 430 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: Right, so essentially, And I don't know, because I don't 431 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 3: know customarily how correct we are. I'm assuming it is 432 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: because it was her time frame. But I think with 433 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 3: Emma they had this conversation about being a spencer with money, 434 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: you're able to do that more so than being a 435 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 3: spencer not without money, that you e will literally die essentially, 436 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: and that the idea that if it's taken away. So 437 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: we see that often, and we saw that in many 438 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 3: of the books Pride and Prejudice. If there's no male heir, 439 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: it goes to the next male heir, which could be 440 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: a cousin or someone who will turn you out. There 441 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: is a book, I can't remember which one where they 442 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: actually do turn out the family where they're like, uh, 443 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: the I think it was like an uncle or a 444 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 3: cousin who inherits it and he had promised to help them, 445 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: but he doesn't. He chooses not to, and so they 446 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: go to the situation. Yeah, this is that conversation. And 447 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm talking about her as fine nour. 448 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: For Austin, it was so important that she fall for 449 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: love that she was willing to sacrifice all of that 450 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: to be there, And it doesn't sound like anybody held 451 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: her responsible and or were bitter towards her because of that. 452 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: Like her only sister, Cassandra, she had five brothers. Again, 453 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 3: she did get help from one of the brothers and 454 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: apparently they lost their money in a scheme, not a scheme, 455 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: but a thing that they invested in with another brother. 456 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 3: There's a whole different level of things that were happening here, 457 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: but it is it's like she stuck to her guns 458 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: in her books as well, but she saw the happier 459 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: ending and was hoping for the happier ending, which is 460 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: kind of the tragic bit that that happened that she 461 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 3: didn't get to any of that. And of course, yeah, 462 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: money was a huge thing, which I don't understand how 463 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: money worked at that point in time. Was nobody like 464 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: nobody seems to do things, but they all have money, 465 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: Like I'm very confused by that in itself. 466 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's where a lot of the 467 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: like class comes in of kind of inherited money or 468 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: marrying into money or both. But it's also important to 469 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: remember at this time, you know, love might have been 470 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: a thing in marriages, but often it was an economic right. 471 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: Originally it was much more of like a financial decision 472 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: than anything to do with love. 473 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: Which makes sense even today to me, not to that extent, 474 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: but I'm like, you know what, maybe they're not far off. 475 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 3: Maybe that shouldn't be a bad thing, because emotions change, 476 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: all emotions change. But I also found it funny that 477 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: she when she wrote the lines for her father about 478 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: how titles are not earned, accomplishments are not earned, but 479 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: you're born with it, and how could these traditions change. 480 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: I feel like we hear that today in different forms 481 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: of like essentially privileged of like oh well I got this, 482 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: you got this from your daddy, stop it. And how 483 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: you think that's class. That's not, that's not class, stop it. 484 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 3: But that that was pretty funny, and I think she did, 485 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 3: of course, she wrote that on purpose to talk about 486 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: this absurdity about the ideal of class and rank, and 487 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: it was a beautiful. Her writing is so good. 488 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: It's just so good. 489 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: Of course, when we talk about all that with marriage 490 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: and responsibility, we talk about families, whether it's the good, 491 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: the bad, and unfortunately just what it is, the undeniable 492 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: they are here, that's what they are. I feel like 493 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: again her painting of her mother, possibly in the characters 494 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: of Brian Prejudice, she does this with the ridiculous mother. 495 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 3: In the character of her sister Mary, she does this 496 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: of this ridiculous woman who was just obviously privileged and 497 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: over the top spoiled and really just self absorbed character 498 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 3: and what that looks like, and how she portrays them 499 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: in the book. Of course we know they're not all 500 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: that one dimensional, but she does that as a comic 501 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: relief but also probably a stress relief. 502 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 4: I'm guessing yeah, yeah, And I think it's one of 503 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: those things where I imagine most of us can relate 504 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: to this, even though it was written so long ago. 505 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: That you have the family member who's always kind of 506 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: like needing you to help them. 507 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: For whatever reason. 508 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: You've got the you feel responsible for, like perhaps somebody 509 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: older in your life and their financial security, and you've 510 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: got the like one you're always being compared to. Perhaps, 511 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: Like there's just a bunch of family relationships that I 512 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: think a lot of us can relate to are kind 513 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: of are like, oh, I have something sort of like 514 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: that in my life. 515 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not even family it can be friends as well, 516 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: but like. 517 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: And the whole idea of her I feel like when 518 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: you compare and to the rest of her family, it 519 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: does and this might be Austin kind of again, yeah, 520 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: having that stress relief. It does feel like they all 521 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: were using her for something, whether it's her dad, like financially, 522 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: her younger sister to be like the person she can 523 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: complain to you about everything, her older sister to compare 524 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: like I'm better than you, all those kinds of things, 525 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: and kind of trying to be the diplomat. 526 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: And then you've. 527 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: Got this mister Elliott cousin fellow at the ends just 528 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: kind of using them and what seems a very callous 529 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: way to just secure the inheritance. So yeah, I mean 530 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: there's like those are kind of the negative aspects. There 531 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: were certainly some positive interactions between all of them that 532 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: were fun to see, but it is that that tension 533 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: and family and how we treat each other and use 534 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: each other was very apparent. 535 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: I do think it's funny that she is kind of 536 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: one of those like, ugh, this family, what can you do? 537 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: Like time of situation, and she has a amongst a 538 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: lot of the books that she does. I also do 539 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: appreciate and I thought it was really hilarious the way 540 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: they talk about the dead brother of the Musgroves. They 541 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: just literally like, thank God he's dead, like he really 542 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: was useless outside of just dying. I mean, he's a 543 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: good thing he died, but we're gonna pretend like we 544 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 3: really mourn him, miss him. But I was just like, wow, Jay, 545 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure who in your life, but to 546 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: be fair, and this is I've read an interesting bit 547 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: about the fact that she did have another brother who 548 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: was institutionalized and then after at thirteen years old, after 549 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: he was pretty much given away, they never talked about 550 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: him again, they never reached out to him. And she 551 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: did that too. She was a part of that, not caring, 552 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: not noticing he died at seventy one, No one went 553 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: to his funeral, no one cared like it was pretty sad. 554 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if that was how she felt, which 555 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: is awful, which is awful, awful, awful and meaning care 556 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: like caroless, it does kind of put a stain on 557 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: who she is and like and I get it in 558 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: that sense of like during that time and age, that's 559 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: what you did, still really callous and cold. But I 560 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: wondered if that was kind of that mentioning. Again, I 561 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: could have been reading way too much into this, and 562 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: I have a feeling awesome. Fans may come after me 563 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: for saying that, but there was there's this connection of 564 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: this one brother who kind of just was shunned because 565 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: whether it was mental health stuff, whether it was physical stuff, 566 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: whether it was whatever. He lived to be seventy one. 567 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: I mean that's amazing. Yeah at that point time, Yeah, 568 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: that I'm like, okay, makes me wonder because they talked 569 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: about him having quote unquote fits you know, we don't 570 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: know what that means, and then that that's what happened 571 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: with his brother. No one acknowledged him, no one said 572 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: him money, no one talked to him, no one reached 573 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: out to him. Like it makes me think a lot 574 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: about like what was the point of this one character 575 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: that she brought in, because I don't really hear much 576 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: of that callousness of someone dying like they did in 577 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: this way of like outside of like oh this man 578 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: was useless, this ex husband was useless, he was mean, 579 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: or all these things like that kind of thing. But 580 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: that was kind of interesting. So I don't know if 581 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: that was something poigted with her own family take. It 582 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: was one of her last books. She was getting sick. 583 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 3: She apparently had a lot of ailments, so that could 584 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: have been just as that so being being seen as 585 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: inconvenient or whatever whatnot. I found that interesting. Again, may 586 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: got too dark and too deep into her history for 587 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: that one, but yeah, no. Of course, as a part 588 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: of anything else wealth talking about wealth. Constant talk about 589 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: wealth and money being a motivator, whether it's who you 590 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: married or who you didn't marry, is all throughout her book. 591 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: And of course her constant back thought is I can't 592 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: marry this person or I have to marry this person 593 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: because of money. And of course it was at that 594 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: point in time your livelihood depended on whether or not 595 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: you could provide for yourself and your family. 596 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Right right, It is like the biggest driver for a 597 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: lot of the decisions that were made. And I mean 598 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: it starts with I thought this was really interesting how 599 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: it begins, because I, as someone who had read it, 600 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: it kind of starts with this interesting portrait of Sir 601 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: Walter Elliott and how who he is and how he 602 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: got into debt and how he's so proud he doesn't 603 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: want anyone to know that he's in this trouble. 604 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: How can they like keep up airs as they say? 605 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: And then you get introduced to his daughters, and I 606 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: didn't know who the main character was, and originally they're 607 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: kind of paint and it is like this background like 608 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: shee's okay, and so I didn't know what was going on. 609 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: But it's like, right from the jump is the impetus 610 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: of we need money. We want to at least look 611 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: like we have money. We want to be able to, 612 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: you know, appear like we're high society or whatever HI, 613 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: And that determines, you know, like where they move and 614 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: their relationships with people, and not just like marriage, but 615 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: like friends, like who you're gonna hang out with, who 616 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: you will be seen with, all those kinds of things. 617 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: So it was. 618 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: Incredibly huge scene and important to everybody, right right. 619 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: I actually really like you to talk about them having they 620 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: can't be associated be friends with unless they have high money, 621 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 3: which was the whole like the thought process of Elizabeth 622 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: trying to invite people that she doesn't want to be seen, 623 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 3: but they should, They of their standing should be just 624 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 3: happy with an afternoon drink game session instead of a 625 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: whole mill because they don't want to. First, she doesn't 626 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 3: want to be seen as poor because they can't do 627 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: that because they only have one or two servants and 628 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 3: they need more to be seen as high class. But 629 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: at the same time they're not deserving even though they 630 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: have more money than than Elizabeth and Sir Wallace that 631 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 3: it's quite funny, that dichotomy of her like, but we're 632 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 3: still higher ranking than them, so we don't want this 633 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: to happen. 634 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: Like it's quite funny. 635 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 3: And then she gets jaded and all alone. 636 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 4: I know. 637 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: That's I'm telling you that whole Miss Clay thing sent 638 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 2: me for a loop. 639 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: Well I knew it was. 640 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: I knew because she was kind of like I knew 641 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: she was being set up with the father, but I thought. 642 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: She wasn't being set up. She was set herself up 643 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: with the father, right, She's trying to scheme her way in. 644 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: I was hoping they'd be real friends, that's all. That's all. 645 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: There's one or two scandalous women about, and she is 646 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 3: the one. 647 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: For this one. 648 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 3: Sugg said, her life is sad again because she's like, 649 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: just try to make it. But that's okay because with 650 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: her being the mistress of mister Elliott, she owned that 651 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: home and therefore she has made herself a mistress. 652 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: I know. 653 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 3: So she did it, she did it. 654 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: She did. I don't want to own it. Well that 655 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: he does now well I know. 656 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we're on the flip side. We 657 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: do see, is it, missus Smith? Like we see what 658 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 2: happens when you don't have money for women too, And 659 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: it was not. 660 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 3: Her fault, and there was money there and she couldn't 661 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 3: get to it unless a man, you know, vouched for 662 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: her and helped her. It was a whole thing like 663 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: she's now settled, but for the time being she wasn't, 664 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 3: as she was destined and had one or two friends, 665 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 3: and no one wanted to help her except for the 666 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: nurse friend. And then it turned out it's partially this, 667 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 3: mister Eliot's fault that you can't live. 668 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of evil, a lot 669 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 2: of the stuff, not all of it which we're about 670 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: to talk about, but a lot of it was like 671 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: your dad's in debt. So now this woman has to 672 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 2: suffer or like right, this man and now this woman 673 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: has to suffer. 674 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: Right Oftentimes that we see that again and again and again, 675 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: and that's what Jane's like, don't go with a false 676 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 3: man because he's not gonna leave you happy. Yeah, And 677 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 3: as the title would suggest, persuasion are being persuaded or 678 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 3: even manipulated, if you want to go and step further, 679 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 3: as a big theme throughout and as the result of 680 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 3: why she's in this situation or anybody is in this 681 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: situation in general, because she is trying to please everyone 682 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: else but herself. 683 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, which I you know, I'm several layers removed from 684 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: this time period obviously, but I really related to that. 685 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: I've dated people. 686 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: I was kind of like because I thought like society 687 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: was telling me too, like you should do it, give 688 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: it it go. And so in this particular case, like 689 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 2: we see and you know, pretty happy with this guy, Fredrick. 690 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: She was quite young, but she was pretty happy with him. 691 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 2: Announced announced this engagement, and like Lady Russell in particular was. 692 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, and I'm gonna I'm. 693 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: Gonna talk you out of it, and everybody was against it, 694 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 2: and so she kind of so she she broke it off, 695 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 2: and as you said, like perhaps that was for the best, 696 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: like they could both mature, he could come back at 697 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: a better time. But it was something that she was 698 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: basically kind of bullied almost like no, no, no, this 699 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 2: is not her her decision and her agency almost was 700 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: just kind of taken away, like no, that's bad match, 701 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: you don't. 702 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: Want to do that. 703 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: And she really respected Lady Russell, so she was like, oh, okay, right, right, So. 704 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 3: Lady Russell was the friend of the mother and very 705 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: big confidante to the home. She really helped them out 706 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 3: so many times. It was really kind of funny. Also, 707 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 3: Sir Wallace's description of Lady Russell was like, yeah, but 708 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 3: she's not pretty and she's getting old, so no, like 709 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 3: that's kind of that's what his thing was. But yeah, 710 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because yes, this is the beginning. 711 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 3: We understand that she has been talked out of being 712 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: in love essentially with this man who has no fortune, 713 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 3: who has no name, so therefore she doesn't do it. 714 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 3: But then we see that later on that people trying 715 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 3: to do the same things again and trying to turn 716 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 3: her to a different man who may have been like 717 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 3: seemingly better. All of these conversations, whether it's trying to 718 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: persuade one person to be one person go to this place, like, 719 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 3: all of these things are happening, and she's finally coming 720 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 3: into her own and doing her own work to figure 721 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 3: out what she wants and truly what she wants and 722 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: why she wants it, or why she doesn't trust this 723 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: person or whatever whatnot, instead of just believing that they're 724 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 3: of a good character and or not. So I find 725 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 3: that fun. Throughout we also see the other works of 726 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: people try to manipulate her into other situations, whether it's 727 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 3: Mary manipulating her to be like, you need to stay 728 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 3: with me and take care of the children, and that works, 729 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 3: she does it, and then all these other things happen, 730 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 3: and then you also see I don't know if it's 731 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: a manipulation. Quite like, we don't know if Captain Wentworth 732 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 3: actually pushed Benwick to Louisa so he could no longer 733 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 3: have to actually marry her. I don't know. He says 734 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: it's a good fortune and it just happened to happen, 735 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 3: so you know, okay, seems suspect. 736 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, as I said earlier, 737 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 2: like a lot of what people's actions were in regards 738 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 2: to Anne were of all about them. So like even 739 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 2: with Charles mister Musgrove and everyone being like we wish 740 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: you had married him. They want that, not necessarily because 741 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: they like really like Anne, but they like Anne better Mary. 742 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, all of these kind of machinations and manipulations 743 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 2: around relationships. 744 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's what you said earlier that was. 745 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 2: A really good point of her learning to trust herself 746 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 2: of not just like, oh, this guy is suspicious. She 747 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: gets to the bottom of why he's suspicious. She trust, 748 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: she feels it, but then she gets to the bottom 749 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 2: of it. And it's the same with Frederick, where she's like, oh, 750 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 2: I still really like this guy, and just kind of 751 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 2: like accepting, you know what, that's that's what I want, 752 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 2: that's what I'm right about everybody else. 753 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I appreciate that. And then also Lady 754 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 3: Russell being persuaded to understand she was wrong. 755 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: She was wrong, she was very. 756 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 3: Wrong about both of these men, and then realizing having 757 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 3: to admit that and coming to understanding that they're in 758 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 3: a happy place. But again and throughout it's like, I 759 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 3: am not bitter about this. I don't think this was 760 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 3: out of malice, And I think this worked out to 761 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 3: the perfect timing, which is probably the other theme to 762 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 3: this is like timing for everything even though it caused 763 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 3: a lot of heartache and a lot of doubt, it 764 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 3: finally came round to working itself out, and of course 765 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 3: she's in a better situation because he is rich continuing 766 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 3: to be rich. Apparently this was during the the French War. Anyway, 767 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 3: it was barely around that time. And you know, interesting 768 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 3: fun fact also is when one of the places that 769 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 3: Janelson and her family had to move to was a 770 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 3: naval town, and there was insinuation that they had a 771 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 3: really hard time and may have been harassed by those 772 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 3: around her because they were not of they didn't have money, 773 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 3: so therefore they were treated poorly. Not sure, but she 774 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 3: seems to give a good review of the navy and 775 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 3: those of the navy, so I don't know, it would 776 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 3: not imply that maybe it was just a setup that 777 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 3: she needed. Who knows, because again this does go to 778 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: a lot of her own life where she seemingly uses 779 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 3: the rich character to the guy that she turned down 780 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 3: to being in love with, the lower character who needed 781 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 3: money but came up on money. All of these things 782 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 3: that happened to be perfect for these conversations. Apparently her 783 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 3: father was a reverend, so we have conversations about that 784 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 3: in some of the books that she writes, So there's 785 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: a lot to be said and how she takes her 786 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 3: own personal situations and put it into the books. But yeah, 787 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 3: I really, I really loved this book. How did you feel? 788 00:42:59,239 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: It was a fun read? 789 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 2: It was a fun read. Like I said, I wish 790 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: I had had a chart. I think I figured out 791 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 2: when mister Elliott showed up. 792 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: I was so confused. It's also because of like. 793 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 2: My modern day mind where I'm like, never would you 794 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: marry family members, which is not true of the time, right, 795 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 2: But god, I was so confused. 796 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: But I did enjoy it. It did kind of crack me up. 797 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 2: I know I mentioned it earlier, but I was like, 798 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 2: you know, you add dragons in here. This is Game 799 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 2: of Thrones. This is the same thing, a little bit 800 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 2: more violence of dramas. 801 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 3: Dragons violence, and less happy endings. I think maybe maybe 802 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 3: family drama. 803 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 804 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 3: I was like, there's a lot of drama and a 805 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 3: lot of not as funny equips as you like since 806 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 3: start here in Game of Thrones that I've maybe that's 807 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 3: just me maybe, But yeah, I love these books and 808 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 3: it always makes me feel cozy and like is feel 809 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 3: sentimental in itself. I still argue with people about whether 810 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: or not as feminists because people were like, they just 811 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 3: get mad, they all settle in and all, you know, 812 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 3: give in to marriage, And I'm like, but yeah, this 813 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 3: is the standard. And during her time she was rebellious, 814 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 3: and her own life she was actually rebellious did not 815 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 3: end well. But it's okay because she accomplished a lot, 816 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 3: as we see, unfortunately not during that time. We wish 817 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 3: we could give it all the flowers. Although she did 818 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: get money for it. She did get paid, and she 819 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,320 Speaker 3: did get some fame and acclaim for it as loving 820 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 3: the book, not necessarily her, but yeah, I think it's 821 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 3: it's such a great take. There's so many things to 822 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 3: learn from it as you look back on what the 823 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 3: traditions were and understanding where she was and she was 824 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 3: fighting society with these books and trying to talk about 825 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 3: how these standards are absurd, and class and rank was absurd, 826 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 3: and how for women it means nothing. 827 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah almost, yeah, yeah, And I think with her her 828 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: woody equips as you say, like you see that you 829 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 2: see that signing through of this commentary on how absurd 830 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 2: and ridiculous a lot of all of this. 831 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 3: Is she's not quiet about it, and I love no. 832 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. It was really fun. It was really fun. 833 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do another one in the future. 834 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean we want to do the whole 835 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 3: damn Prime Prejudice BBC series. I'm down. 836 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: I would love it. I think it'd be great. 837 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god, and I'm excited. 838 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 2: Perfect it's our next the whole month of content out. 839 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: I would I would love it. I think it'd be great. 840 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 2: Well, look forward to that, listeners, and in the meantime, 841 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 2: as always, if you have any suggestions for book clubs, 842 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 2: movie picks, or any any topic at all, really, you 843 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 2: can email us at Stephania mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 844 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 845 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 2: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. 846 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: Thanks, as always to our super borders of Christina. 847 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 3: Oh Christina, I need your opinions about Jane Austen. 848 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 2: Yes please, and thanks to you for listening Stuffan Ever 849 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 2: Told You? 850 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: Protective of iHeartRadio. 851 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from my heart Radio, you can visit 852 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 2: the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts 853 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: Where you listen to your favorite shows