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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November twenty third, twenty twenty, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number sixty nine. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break Live and the s WBC Morgan Studios at
Speaker 1: the Stars Thanksgiving week. But before we get to Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the Cowboys big win yesterday.
Speaker 1: They get into the win column finally after a very
Speaker 1: very multiple season so far. They win thirty one twenty
Speaker 1: eight to the Minnesota Vikings. And as we start usually
Speaker 1: on Mondays, I'm going to go around the table and
Speaker 1: get the big storyline of the game. Nick, let's start
Speaker 1: with you. What was the biggest storyline coming out of
Speaker 1: this game for you? They hit their ass. I mean
Speaker 1: they hit them from the start. I mean they from
Speaker 1: the start. They were hitting them in the mouth. They
Speaker 1: some of them was was, you know, causing turnovers but
Speaker 1: I mean even some of them didn't was on their touchdowns.
Speaker 1: But either way, the Cowboys defense was physical from the
Speaker 1: very beginning, and I thought that was that was just
Speaker 1: evident the whole game, and I think I think it
Speaker 1: just kind of carried on throughout the both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. But I think just the physicality of it
Speaker 1: was something we hadn't seen. You know, it's interesting before
Speaker 1: we get to Amber and Dave, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: that a little early, how physical that game was. How
Speaker 1: much do you think that affects them going into a
Speaker 1: game where you have a short week and you got
Speaker 1: to turn your body around to play on Thursday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it helps when you win. I mean I think it
Speaker 1: feels better if you if you get a win like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we'll find out. But I mean it's still a
Speaker 1: young team for the most part, so I think I
Speaker 1: think we'll see how it goes on Thursday. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not playing a great team over there, so I
Speaker 1: mean they might have a chance to still win, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it could affect them. Amber, what was the big storyline
Speaker 1: for you? Well, I hope they're not hyping me up
Speaker 1: for nothing. I hope they maintained this hype because otherwise,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But I think that after this game,
Speaker 1: seeing what they were able to do, it's like one
Speaker 1: of those things that, well, maybe they can go ahead
Speaker 1: and win the rest of this thing and win the
Speaker 1: NFC is if they keep playing the way that they
Speaker 1: did in the game last night. So it was just
Speaker 1: good to finally see an offense that wasn't perfect, but
Speaker 1: that was able to move the chains and get into
Speaker 1: the end zone. And as well as the defense, the
Speaker 1: defense that was bringing the fire again, not super consistent
Speaker 1: throughout the full whole game, but consistent in the moments
Speaker 1: that they needed it the most. So I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that here we are and maybe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do win this whole thing, looking especially at
Speaker 1: the rest of the schedule. Dave oh Amber, I just
Speaker 1: love your I love your Monday user, I'm such a loser.
Speaker 1: I just I love your Monday. No, I love your swings.
Speaker 1: I love you know you're right back in it and
Speaker 1: you should be. And that's so with the within the
Speaker 1: game itself, I think my biggest takeaway is just that
Speaker 1: that's that's probably the best we've seen the offensive line
Speaker 1: play all season. Um, you know, one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: rushing yards, easily their best total of the day. Zeke
Speaker 1: looked much more like the zeke that we want to see.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard obviously had some success, Dalton only got hit
Speaker 1: one time. You give yourself a chance to win if
Speaker 1: your offensive line plays that way, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I said all last week that I thought that was
Speaker 1: a litmus test, And if they are capable of playing
Speaker 1: that way for the final six games, they've got a
Speaker 1: chance to win probably all of them. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they will win all of them, but they should be
Speaker 1: in all six of those games if they play the
Speaker 1: way they played yesterday, which obviously gives them chance to
Speaker 1: win the division, as crazy as that sounds. So here's
Speaker 1: a big question, and I think all fans out there
Speaker 1: listening are probably wrestling with a little bit this morning.
Speaker 1: How much, if at all, does this game and what
Speaker 1: they were able to do yesterday change your expectations of
Speaker 1: this team for the season. And I'm going to start
Speaker 1: with you the expectations. I don't think it really changes
Speaker 1: the expectations for me, because, again, based on everything that
Speaker 1: we've seen this year, it's like one of those things
Speaker 1: that you gotta see it to believe it at this point,
Speaker 1: and yes, it was great to see what they were
Speaker 1: able to do and now we can see what they
Speaker 1: can possibly do. But as far as the expectations go,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think my expectations have really changed much,
Speaker 1: although I just got done saying that I think that
Speaker 1: they can win the rest of this thing. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's just like you've seen both sides
Speaker 1: now and it's just can they maintain that kind of
Speaker 1: con insistency. Can they actually find consistency in the second
Speaker 1: half of the season, And do I expect that? Not really,
Speaker 1: but I now have hope again that they can do that. So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you as far as expectations.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of just kind of there, like I
Speaker 1: need to see it as we go. Dave, I think
Speaker 1: I think the expectation is just I think you can,
Speaker 1: based on this game, you can expect them to be
Speaker 1: a competent football team for the last six weeks, which,
Speaker 1: like I feel like maybe that sounds ridiculous, but what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is the expectation changes from you know, Derek,
Speaker 1: if you had said to me on Friday, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they win this game, maybe they get on a roll.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe they go eight and eight. I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say, Derek, stop it, stop being stupid.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous based on what we've seen. I can't I
Speaker 1: can't say that anymore, not with a straight face. And
Speaker 1: a big part of that is what's left on the schedule. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know they don't they're not playing any more good teams.
Speaker 1: Baltimore is the best team left on the schedule, and
Speaker 1: Baltimore's lost three of four. So if they play that
Speaker 1: way against the quality of the opposition that's in front
Speaker 1: of them, which is not good, then they've got a
Speaker 1: chance to win a lot of games. So my expectation
Speaker 1: for what they're capable of achieving has not changed. Like,
Speaker 1: this team's not gonna win the super Bowl. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think you probably you probably have to put the
Speaker 1: tanking conversation on the back burner if they're going to
Speaker 1: play that way against the teams that are left on
Speaker 1: the schedule. I guess that's that's the difference. I mean,
Speaker 1: the expectation is that they'll play well or be in
Speaker 1: these games. You know that, Like Dave said, you know,
Speaker 1: they the schedule favors them at this point. I think
Speaker 1: the schedule favors the Cowboys more than any other team
Speaker 1: in the division. But I mean, they've won three games
Speaker 1: this year. They have not been winning at the two
Speaker 1: minute warning at any of those three games. They've had
Speaker 1: to have, you know, come from behind wins just to
Speaker 1: get three. Uh. You know, Dalton's pass should could have
Speaker 1: been intercepted on the on the you know, on the
Speaker 1: goal line there. They needed a fourth down to save it.
Speaker 1: So it's not like they, you know, we could have
Speaker 1: we could be sitting here talking about two and eighteen.
Speaker 1: We're not because you know, the Cowboys did enough and
Speaker 1: they took that game. They won it. They definitely earned it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you know, the way that they're playing,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some some games that they lose, probably
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't. So my expectations is that this roller
Speaker 1: coaster ride is gonna have more flips and it more turns.
Speaker 1: You know, I just hope everyone, you know, no one
Speaker 1: falls off. But I mean I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a wild ride to the end.
Speaker 1: But you did nothing about yesterday changed what you expect
Speaker 1: or what you think this team is capable of. No,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I didn't. You know, No, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're They're not a great football team, but you
Speaker 1: don't have to be great to make to win, you know,
Speaker 1: the division this year. So I think that they you
Speaker 1: could just tell that the excitement level and the relief
Speaker 1: of finally getting a win. I mean, it was it
Speaker 1: was a very excited locker room, excited plane ride and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. They were they were excited because I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been taking a lot of beatings here for a while. No,
Speaker 1: And and I heard you say this morning on the radio,
Speaker 1: it's not just beatings they've been taking on the field.
Speaker 1: They've been taking a beating in Dallas. They've been taking
Speaker 1: a beating with the media. They've been taking a beating
Speaker 1: with fans like every and by the way, it's probably
Speaker 1: due because of how they've played so far right and
Speaker 1: I mean, and the media and fans are setting them
Speaker 1: up for a trap. You know how that well, because
Speaker 1: you they the people that say they should tank and
Speaker 1: all that are the first ones that'll jump with their
Speaker 1: ass if they actually did, you know, if they actually quit,
Speaker 1: that's what people will talk about even though they want to.
Speaker 1: They think they want to hire draft back. But if
Speaker 1: they actually did quit on the team and quit on
Speaker 1: themselves and didn't really win, didn't play hard, they you know,
Speaker 1: those coaches and those players would be the first ones
Speaker 1: criticized by the same people that probably want to hide
Speaker 1: draft big. So you don't fall into it, you don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. You just go out and you play,
Speaker 1: and you know they're gonna win some games, they're gonna
Speaker 1: lose some and we'll see if it's good enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to be clear, just to be fair, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of those people are wanting what they call
Speaker 1: organic tanking. They want them to play well, they want
Speaker 1: them to play hard, but just the they want the
Speaker 1: everything to fall at the end of the game to
Speaker 1: where they don't win, but to be as you were
Speaker 1: saying last week though, when it came down and Dave
Speaker 1: and I were sitting across from each other watching this game,
Speaker 1: and both of us said the same thing. When it
Speaker 1: came down that last drive, it was like, Okay, so
Speaker 1: at this one, who are you rooting for? What are
Speaker 1: you rooting for? If you're a fan at this point
Speaker 1: in the game, like you at the point when they
Speaker 1: needed to get a score in order to take the
Speaker 1: lead and win, and then at the point when they
Speaker 1: needed to get a stop, like, what are you rooting
Speaker 1: for at that point? And I'm hard pressed to think
Speaker 1: there were fans out there that were really rooting for
Speaker 1: them to lose at that point. That's one that you
Speaker 1: just kind of deal with the next day and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that win helped us, but
Speaker 1: it felt good last week. Yeah, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take an early first break. When we come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into some of our moments that mattered. Each
Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna tell you a moment from
Speaker 1: the game that really made a difference in the game. Later,
Speaker 1: we'll get into some performance reviews. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of players that we need to point out they had
Speaker 1: really really good days yesterday. We'll start well that when
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Speaker 1: the break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the cowboys big win yesterday they beat the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings thirty one, twenty eight. Now they start turning
Speaker 1: their attention towards the Washington football team, who will be
Speaker 1: here at AT and T Stadium this Thursday, Thanksgiving Day game.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that tomorrow and Wednesday. We'll actually have
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Speaker 1: talk about the Washington football team's offense and their defense
Speaker 1: and start getting you guys ready for that game on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Let's focus back on this game yesterday, though, and let's
Speaker 1: jump into some of the moments that mattered. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Dave, what was the biggest moment that
Speaker 1: mattered for you in that game? You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lots and shoots from but how about how about Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson's second forced fumble, you know, the one that snuffed
Speaker 1: out the Vikings drive there at the end of the
Speaker 1: first half. It led to it. It It led to a
Speaker 1: Cowboys field goal, did it not. Yeah, it leads to
Speaker 1: them taking a two possession lead going into halftime. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know the Vikings fought back and negated that, but
Speaker 1: it still helps you set the tone for the second half,
Speaker 1: the sense that you know, you have this two possession
Speaker 1: lead that you can protect. And I think everybody in
Speaker 1: the world probably thought the Vikings were gonna go I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously get at least three, but maybe even get six
Speaker 1: the way that their offense was starting to get rolling.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm biased too because it was just so
Speaker 1: much fun to see a safety make a play like that,
Speaker 1: But that kind of it was the opposite of what
Speaker 1: you expect to happen watching this team, like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't make plays like that, and not, like I said, now,
Speaker 1: only did it kill a Vikings scoring opportunity, but it
Speaker 1: led to some pretty I mean, it led to three
Speaker 1: points in a game that you won by three. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's probably where I go. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: huge play. And I actually want to talk about We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Donovan Wilson a little later in the show,
Speaker 1: just what he's meant to this defense really over these
Speaker 1: last two weeks. Has been two games now that he's
Speaker 1: had a really, really a big impact on the game,
Speaker 1: much bigger of an impact than we've seen from safeties
Speaker 1: with this team in a long time. Nick, what was
Speaker 1: your moment that matter? I'll go a little bit before that.
Speaker 1: In the second quarter, you know, the Vikings had a
Speaker 1: fake punt and they converted and they got down to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys thirty three yard line, and the course of
Speaker 1: penalty brought him back. And then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: the same guy who made that catch, Chris Boyd, he
Speaker 1: ends up getting a penalty after the next punt. So,
Speaker 1: you know, at ten o six to go in the
Speaker 1: second quarter, the Vikings look like they've got the ball
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys thirty three. At nine fifty six to go,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have the ball at their own forty eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a huge change. They go down
Speaker 1: and score, so I thought, you know, it's a seven
Speaker 1: to six game. The Vikings look like they keep it rolling.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, the Cowboys have the ball and
Speaker 1: they go score. I thought that was a huge flipping
Speaker 1: of the field. Go back with me to that the
Speaker 1: play before the fake punt. What were they What was
Speaker 1: Dallas Dallas doing there because it didn't seem like I
Speaker 1: don't know why the guy shifted down as though he
Speaker 1: were gonna gonna go and try to get the punt.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like a bad decision to leave that
Speaker 1: guy to sitting out there because all he did was
Speaker 1: basically raised his hand. Now, he moved around more than
Speaker 1: he should have, but if he wouldn't have moved and
Speaker 1: just kind of sayd hey, do you see this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's an easy conversion. Something seemed off with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did seem often. I asked a little bit of
Speaker 1: people about it, and I got different answers because one
Speaker 1: of the somebody said that, yeah, the coaches knew that
Speaker 1: it was an illegal formation, so they said go ahead
Speaker 1: and send it because because he knew, because they knew
Speaker 1: that they're not lined upright and they're gonna call it.
Speaker 1: Plus their yelling in the guy's ear that that was
Speaker 1: the call. So I don't know if that's the case
Speaker 1: or I've seen that before. They just kind of clamp
Speaker 1: in and hope to block the punt. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Dabball I think is supposed to get over. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time. This is a team that has messed up.
Speaker 1: How many dudes they have on the field on special
Speaker 1: teams a couple of times this year, Like that is impressive.
Speaker 1: If they knew that the Vikings were lined up illegally
Speaker 1: in the moment, like just in the moment they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's lined up wrong, so go try to go get
Speaker 1: the punt. Like, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm dubious.
Speaker 1: I'm very dubious. I think it's it's stemmed from the
Speaker 1: play before the punt before they weren't lined up right.
Speaker 1: They're telling the officials that they see it again, they
Speaker 1: just go after and try to block it because nothing's
Speaker 1: gonna nothing bad's gonna happen. Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily buying it because both of the gunners went.
Speaker 1: So it's not like just that guy from that sideline
Speaker 1: hearing the coaches ain't go go go. That both went,
Speaker 1: so that was a called play. Yeah, it just seems
Speaker 1: like it's a bad design because that seems like that's
Speaker 1: something easy. And I would assume most special teams, most
Speaker 1: punt units know, hey, if you got a guy out
Speaker 1: there sitting out there, you're gonna basically the pun isna
Speaker 1: just throw it to him. Yeah, exactly, because there's no
Speaker 1: harm in doing that midfield right. It just didn't That
Speaker 1: didn't seem like a well thought out decision. That was
Speaker 1: a decided play that they wanted to run there. That
Speaker 1: was a moment that mattered it definitely was a moment
Speaker 1: that mattered. Amber what was the moment that matter for you? Well,
Speaker 1: that was what I was gonna choose as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: even though it was still very early in the game,
Speaker 1: I think that that decision that benefited the Cowboys. The
Speaker 1: flag up benefited the Cowboys was huge because we know
Speaker 1: how plays like that can easily shift and change the
Speaker 1: momentum of a game. But if I had to pick
Speaker 1: something else from the game, I mean, there were many
Speaker 1: things and many players that definitely stood out during this
Speaker 1: game that made really big things for the Cowboys. But
Speaker 1: I gotta give a shout out to see Lamb and
Speaker 1: that amazing catch that he had in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think any one thought that he
Speaker 1: was gonna get that. As I watched it, I definitely thought, oh, man,
Speaker 1: here's Andy Dalton. He overthrew that and then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, freaking ceedee. Lamb turns with this whole body
Speaker 1: and falls on the ground with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: So that was an absolutely big moment for the Cowboys there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that play, I don't know. That catch was just amazing.
Speaker 1: His ability to be able to contort his body find
Speaker 1: the ball track the ball and then make the catch.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of NFL wide receivers can do that,
Speaker 1: and his ability to do that, it just shows you
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys, even though they didn't need a receiver,
Speaker 1: and you can argue there were a lot of positions
Speaker 1: they could have taken that would have been better suited
Speaker 1: for them at the time, they had to jump on
Speaker 1: the pick to get Ceedee Lamb because he is a
Speaker 1: he is he is looking more and more like the
Speaker 1: kind of player that is that is going to have
Speaker 1: a very long and a very very successful career. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought he was amazing, and not just on that.
Speaker 1: I thought he had I love the way they used
Speaker 1: him yesterday. They were running the ball with him and
Speaker 1: baking you know, runs with him, and he was very
Speaker 1: physical too. He had some plays in there. He was
Speaker 1: running over people in that one run, that one catch
Speaker 1: where he fought for extra yards. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a really pivotal play. So I just really liked what
Speaker 1: they It was almost like they took the bye week
Speaker 1: to say, wait a second, he's our first round pick.
Speaker 1: Let's utilize this guy in more ways. And we saw it.
Speaker 1: You have some of you are about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say they might not have needed
Speaker 1: a receiver, but they needed Lamb, Like, yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: order to pass on that. And thank god they didn't
Speaker 1: because sixteen other teams are sixteen because you know, teams
Speaker 1: took some quarterbacks that look really good. But there's a
Speaker 1: few teams right now that feels stupid for letting that.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind's I actually he made
Speaker 1: that catch in training camp, like maybe the fourth day,
Speaker 1: maybe the fourth day of camp, he did something very similar,
Speaker 1: and you know, Mike McCarthy wouldn't let us know anything
Speaker 1: or show anything, and I remember being really frustrated that
Speaker 1: not more people were going to get to see what
Speaker 1: he did. Oh, it's nice that he'd managed to do
Speaker 1: that in a game and just let everybody know like
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. That was. Yeah, he's awesome. Every
Speaker 1: GAP fan should be really excited that he's here for
Speaker 1: the long term. Yeah, he just decided to do it
Speaker 1: for national audience rather than just you guys out at
Speaker 1: training camp practice. You know, I'll throughout this other play too.
Speaker 1: It was fourth and one. It was another CD Lamb play,
Speaker 1: that fourth and one jet sweep where he picks up
Speaker 1: the first down that was in the second quarter, about
Speaker 1: seven minutes left, But that was a huge play for them.
Speaker 1: And really yesterday they were pretty aggressive when it came
Speaker 1: to fourth downs. They went forward three different times and
Speaker 1: converted two of them. What were your thoughts on just
Speaker 1: their ability to be aggressive yesterday And not only that,
Speaker 1: but they did some things just from a play calling standpoint,
Speaker 1: like you said, Nick, that were a little different to
Speaker 1: pick up some of those first downs. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the touchdown. Both touchdowns were plays that we hadn't really
Speaker 1: seen a lot of. The one, I mean not both touchdowns. First,
Speaker 1: the first one to Ze throwing it out there, and
Speaker 1: then the one to Schultz. Schultz actually said to me,
Speaker 1: and you guys would laugh if you knew where I
Speaker 1: interviewed Chiltz. But he, uh, bust bathroom, bust bathroom. No, no,
Speaker 1: the plane play bathroom, bathroom close to the bathroom, not
Speaker 1: not in the bathroom. Y. Yeah, everyone's looking up there
Speaker 1: like what's going You know, it all helps when you win,
Speaker 1: you know, you win, no one really cares. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, they've been working on that for about four
Speaker 1: weeks now, and I'm thinking, well, you've lost four games
Speaker 1: at row why not whipping it out? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about talking about the play obviously, not anything
Speaker 1: else by the bathroom. But I think it was a
Speaker 1: good um. I think it was obviously a just just
Speaker 1: a dynamic type of play call. And Kellen Moore should
Speaker 1: get a lot of credit for that game he did.
Speaker 1: He did a really nice job ball game he did.
Speaker 1: Did you have something we're about to say, Dave? I
Speaker 1: heard somebody saying, I just I was, well, I was
Speaker 1: really I was muttering under my breath about Nick's um
Speaker 1: plane to plane humor bathroom humor. But sorry, no, I
Speaker 1: completely agreed. I just remember I was so frustrated and
Speaker 1: stupefied that they would try to line up and run
Speaker 1: right up the gut on third and one with such
Speaker 1: a compromised offensive line. I mean, there was no chance
Speaker 1: that was going to work. And then on fourth down
Speaker 1: they ran the jet sweep to CD, which I feel
Speaker 1: like I've been begging for more of that for not
Speaker 1: just this season, literally for like three years. So it
Speaker 1: was really exciting that they dusted that off right there.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you need to wait until
Speaker 1: fourth and one to do that. You should probably do
Speaker 1: it five or six times a game in all sorts
Speaker 1: of different situations, but it's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: That was really exciting. Yeah, it was good to see
Speaker 1: the combination of play calling and execution because I think
Speaker 1: that throughout the season we've seen moments where Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: has had some interesting play calling that had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: been able to execute on the field, it would have
Speaker 1: been great. But that's been the problem. They haven't been
Speaker 1: necessarily able to combine the two and make it work.
Speaker 1: So finally we get to see a game where the
Speaker 1: play Collie was good and then you get the combination
Speaker 1: of execution and actually seeing it work on the field.
Speaker 1: So that was that was a good thing, and that
Speaker 1: and that's why I might be getting a little excited
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I want to stop myself here, but but it was good.
Speaker 1: It feels good. Water tasted better yesterday when I was
Speaker 1: watching the game. So yeah, it feels good when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys win. Hey, by the end of the show, hopeless
Speaker 1: but conce herself that this is a super Bowl team.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, she is moving quickly in that direction.
Speaker 1: All right, That water tasted better? Well, the water tasted
Speaker 1: better that happens did your team's winning, everything seems a
Speaker 1: little bit better, right, Like, like I can talk on
Speaker 1: who said that after five minutes ago. All Right, here's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk about Zach
Speaker 1: Martin and how great he is and how much he
Speaker 1: meant to this team and the biggest question, why the
Speaker 1: heck did it take until this week for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to realize how great he is and how much he
Speaker 1: could mean to this team. We'll do that when we
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Speaker 1: reviews now. We got some players we got to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I want to start with Zach Mardin. We found
Speaker 1: out a Sunday morning that Zach Martin was going to
Speaker 1: start at right Tackle something that we have been talking about.
Speaker 1: I know I've brought it up on this show as
Speaker 1: a question for you guys at least at least seven
Speaker 1: to eight times over the last month and a half,
Speaker 1: just seeing you know what the thoughts are, Why isn't
Speaker 1: he not being the guy that they want to put
Speaker 1: out there. They were committed to Terrence still being the
Speaker 1: right tackle him. Mike McCarthy went as far as Steven
Speaker 1: say he even called it fantasy football nonsense. And when
Speaker 1: being asked about the possibilities of moving I know right
Speaker 1: the possibility of moving Zach Martin to right tackle, but
Speaker 1: they make the decision to do it. They put Steel
Speaker 1: on the bench. They put mc governor at right guard,
Speaker 1: which again is what we've all been asking for, and
Speaker 1: as a result, the offensive line gives up one sack.
Speaker 1: They have one of their best rushing days that they've
Speaker 1: had the season. Zeke goes twenty one rushes for one
Speaker 1: hundred and three yards a four point nine average. Paula
Speaker 1: goes five for sixty twelve yard average, and he at
Speaker 1: big forty two yard touchdown run. So the question is
Speaker 1: his first question is is this proof that McCarthy should
Speaker 1: have made this move weeks ago? Let's start first, you Dave, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's proof everybody knew that he already did this. That's
Speaker 1: what made this whole thing frustrating. Zach Martin already did
Speaker 1: this in Week three. Necessity dictated that they throw him
Speaker 1: out there. He handled it just fine, he played great.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Mike McCarthy had the audacity to
Speaker 1: call it fantasy football nonsense, that a Hall of Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber player couldn't make that switch. It
Speaker 1: was insulting then, and it's kind of vindicating to see
Speaker 1: Zach Martin ball out like we all knew he would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knew this should have happened a long
Speaker 1: time ago. You want to put your five best players
Speaker 1: on the field. This gave him an opportunity to do so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why they waited so long.
Speaker 1: I guess I would probably chalk it up to arrogance
Speaker 1: or insistence on trying to develop a swing tackle. And
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele. You know, maybe if you're looking at the
Speaker 1: big picture, the more reps he can get, the more
Speaker 1: chance he has to be a viable player for you
Speaker 1: in the future. But if you're trying to win games
Speaker 1: and stay in the division hunt, like the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: said a million times that they are, this is something
Speaker 1: you should have done a month ago. Nick, Well, I
Speaker 1: think that this has nothing to do with Zach Martin
Speaker 1: as much as it does with the guards, you know,
Speaker 1: like getting the five best guys and them to realize
Speaker 1: that that is McGovern better for them? Is he is
Speaker 1: he better than playing steel outside and Zach Martin at
Speaker 1: is natural position. Now that's what we think is a
Speaker 1: natural position is because he's played it for six years.
Speaker 1: I kind of think he could do anything, really might
Speaker 1: be able to play fullback. But I just think that
Speaker 1: it was more about McGovern and I and I said
Speaker 1: it about a couple weeks ago when we did we
Speaker 1: did an article about which young player do you want
Speaker 1: to see more down the stretch, and my choice was
Speaker 1: mcgoverned because you got to figure this out. As a
Speaker 1: third round pick, he's gotta play, and so this is
Speaker 1: the best way to get him on the field to play.
Speaker 1: So I think it was all about McGovern and getting
Speaker 1: him in and I'm curious to see how he grades out.
Speaker 1: I thought he played pretty well. I know some of
Speaker 1: those big runs were on the right side with him
Speaker 1: and Zach Martin both, so he didn't seem like he
Speaker 1: was a problem to me. So I thought it's great
Speaker 1: that Zach Martin can do that, but I think it
Speaker 1: was about McGovern and today's point. I mean, he played
Speaker 1: the Washington game, so maybe he could have kept playing.
Speaker 1: They could have done this before, but you know, Zack
Speaker 1: Martin was coming back and all that. I think this
Speaker 1: is probably this the best time to do that. Amber.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, we've everything that they just said,
Speaker 1: and we've been saying it that we wanted to see
Speaker 1: this change for a long time. But I think it
Speaker 1: maybe simplified it this time around, because now you knew
Speaker 1: that you had Joe Looney in the center because you
Speaker 1: had to move Biadish to the injury reserve. So that's
Speaker 1: one move there. Then you've seen you've had a few
Speaker 1: games where you've gone to see Connor McGovern at guard,
Speaker 1: so you know he's very capable of handling that position.
Speaker 1: So at this point I think that maybe maybe and
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find some kind of reasoning as
Speaker 1: to why they waited this long, but maybe this was
Speaker 1: one of those things that looking at your line at
Speaker 1: this point, you actually only need to make one move,
Speaker 1: and that's moving your all pro guard to tackle. Other
Speaker 1: than that, you're not really messing with the rest of
Speaker 1: the line, and we've known that sach Martin. If any
Speaker 1: guy can be moved at any point without needing a
Speaker 1: whole bye week to adjust and do all that is
Speaker 1: Sich Martin. So I'm just glad that at least they
Speaker 1: made it happen finally. It took a really long time,
Speaker 1: and maybe it did cost them a few games, maybe,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, based on the results that
Speaker 1: we were able to see this yesterday, it's clear how
Speaker 1: bad they needed to make this kind of move, and
Speaker 1: it's clear how much of a help or how big
Speaker 1: or how much of a need you need your like
Speaker 1: offensive line to be able to perform better, and how
Speaker 1: it affects the rest of your offense as a whole.
Speaker 1: One of the things that we've heard from McCarthy about
Speaker 1: this on this subject was, and he's been consistent about this,
Speaker 1: is he wants continuity on the offensive line. He thinks
Speaker 1: the offensive line is bigger than just any one player
Speaker 1: playing well or getting reps. He was saying he wanted
Speaker 1: to continuity and it's about having all five as much
Speaker 1: as you can have those guys playing together. Do you
Speaker 1: think that maybe one of the reasons why they waited
Speaker 1: so long to make the decision was because they were
Speaker 1: waiting for the bye week. And maybe again we're not
Speaker 1: able to see all of practice. Maybe at practice they
Speaker 1: were doing some of these things a little bit to
Speaker 1: start moving them in that direction. But the bye week
Speaker 1: gave them the ability to really get a little bit
Speaker 1: more continuity before they rolled it out. Nick, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that that's what you do in the bye week,
Speaker 1: is that you figure out different wrinkles you can have it. No,
Speaker 1: of course, this is more than a wrinkle. This is
Speaker 1: a big change on the line. But this is the
Speaker 1: time that you make those changes. And and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that that, you know, like like
Speaker 1: Amber said, I mean, they kind of knew exactly what
Speaker 1: they were going to have to do at center, and
Speaker 1: so from there they just figured out this was this
Speaker 1: was the best time. But I really think more than anything,
Speaker 1: it was the development of McGovern and and the trust
Speaker 1: in him, because now you know, it's a little different
Speaker 1: for him when he when he started against Washington, he
Speaker 1: had beadish and he had steel on the right side.
Speaker 1: Then he plays this game. He's got Looney in Zack Martin. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it allowed him to be more
Speaker 1: comfortable too. But but you know, I'll say this, Let's
Speaker 1: don't forget that that they haven't faced like a dominating
Speaker 1: defensive line yet. I don't think Zach Martin's really faced
Speaker 1: like this premier pass rusher and entered the Washington football team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's about to amber. What do you think was the
Speaker 1: question question was is it reasonable to assume that the
Speaker 1: bye week gave them the ability to be able to
Speaker 1: make this continuity and get the continuity that he's been
Speaker 1: searching for. Well, I feel like, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: I kind of alluded to in my other response is, yeah,
Speaker 1: the bye week, obviously it's always gonna help because it's
Speaker 1: the time for you to take a step back and
Speaker 1: rearrange and reevaluate things. But at the same time, like
Speaker 1: I said, the only thing that I see is them
Speaker 1: knowing that Tyler is out and now you kind of
Speaker 1: have a better idea of the guys that you have
Speaker 1: in your line and you're not really having to reshuffle
Speaker 1: everyone around and it's more just one guy moving to
Speaker 1: the outside. So obviously it's gonna help. And the fact
Speaker 1: that everything that Nick just said about Connor McGovern and
Speaker 1: then maybe having enough trust in him to this point
Speaker 1: allow them to finally go ahead and make that move,
Speaker 1: because when you when you look at the option, I mean,
Speaker 1: who would you rather have a guard? A rookie like
Speaker 1: McGovern or Zack Martin. Obviously it's going to be Sack Martin.
Speaker 1: So at this point it's just good for them to
Speaker 1: finally look at, Okay, who are our faith, sorry, our
Speaker 1: five best guys, And that's exactly what they're doing. They
Speaker 1: took out Terren Steele, which he has not been any
Speaker 1: part of their best fives at all at any point
Speaker 1: of this season. So I'm just glad that it's finally
Speaker 1: happened to where they're like, okay, let's now at this
Speaker 1: point actually try to have our best five out there
Speaker 1: on the field. Dave, I think Nick's theory about McGovern
Speaker 1: is pretty good and I like it. I still don't
Speaker 1: think I buy it because you've got like nine You've
Speaker 1: got nine games of tape on Terren Steele that tells
Speaker 1: you it ain't working. Whereas even in the glimpses that
Speaker 1: we saw of Connor McGovern, you kind of get the
Speaker 1: sense that, Okay, maybe he can hold his own, especially
Speaker 1: if he's got Zach Martin next to him, so maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of it. No, the bye week thing doesn't
Speaker 1: hold any water whatsoever in my opinion. They didn't practice
Speaker 1: during the bye week because of the COVID issue with
Speaker 1: the Steelers, so didn't practice, didn't get to do any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Zach said last night that they didn't
Speaker 1: tell him he was moving to tackle until Monday when
Speaker 1: they came back from the bye and he tweaked his calf,
Speaker 1: so he was limited in practice going into this game.
Speaker 1: He didn't get to do as much as he would
Speaker 1: probably prefer in terms of on field reps. He's just
Speaker 1: that much of a badass that he can step out
Speaker 1: there on the right side with limited experience and hold
Speaker 1: his own. So no, I don't think that's why. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: they were like, enough is enough and we've got to
Speaker 1: do something. I mean, better late than never. But I
Speaker 1: don't buy any sort of like grand epiphany that they
Speaker 1: were like, this is why this makes sense right now.
Speaker 1: I think it would have made just as much sense
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, but at least they did it. My
Speaker 1: personal opinion is I think this had everything to do
Speaker 1: with this upcoming game. Think they wanted to do it
Speaker 1: before they got to the Washington game because they knew
Speaker 1: they were going to be facing the kind of players
Speaker 1: where it would be more important for you to make
Speaker 1: sure that you could show up the outside and uh.
Speaker 1: And then I think they wanted to give Zach this
Speaker 1: game where he didn't have that kind of matchup to
Speaker 1: be able to kind of get used to it before
Speaker 1: heading into the game against Washington. I personally believe that
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the timing on why
Speaker 1: they decided to do it. Now, that's actually that's a
Speaker 1: really good point. And you know, za Zack Martin is
Speaker 1: a consummate professional with the media, like he's never he's
Speaker 1: never gonna give you anything. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: complete coincidence. I know he heard his calf, but he
Speaker 1: didn't talk to the media this week, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a complete coincidence that they were
Speaker 1: maybe like, ah, let's let's keep people in the dark
Speaker 1: for as long as we can. But he said last
Speaker 1: night after the game, he was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: for this, for this first game, I thought it went
Speaker 1: really well. And I asked him I was like, you
Speaker 1: keep saying for this first game, does that mean you
Speaker 1: anticipate staying out there for the foreseeable future? And he
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'll be out there on Thursday and
Speaker 1: then we'll see what happens after that. So I think
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense that they were like, Zach,
Speaker 1: please help us deal with these Washington edge rushers. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a problem otherwise. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Andy Dalton. He was twenty two to thirty two,
Speaker 1: sixty nine percent completion rate, two hundred and three yards,
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, one interception, and one hundred and four quarterback rating.
Speaker 1: Was it better, worse or the same as what you
Speaker 1: expected coming into this game from him? Nick, Let's start
Speaker 1: with you. I thought it was a little bit better
Speaker 1: than what I thought. I mean, mainly more his presence
Speaker 1: in the pocket, you know, because he ran for a
Speaker 1: first down at one time, and I thought he didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, for a guy that took a big hit,
Speaker 1: and then you know he's he's been out for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He didn't look timid to me too bad.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was rushing his throws or scared
Speaker 1: to be in the pocket. I thought he hung in
Speaker 1: there pretty good. And and you know, I thought what
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks said on Our Shore last week about how
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be a superhero here, just go
Speaker 1: out and play within himself, and I thought that's what
Speaker 1: he did. So yeah, it was it was a little
Speaker 1: bit better than than what I thought, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was. It was a good
Speaker 1: solid performance by him. Amber I think, uh yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit better than than I expected, at least at
Speaker 1: this point of the season, based on everything that we've seen.
Speaker 1: Obviously we just got done talking about the old line
Speaker 1: that was a huge help for him. I thought he
Speaker 1: did a nice job and that Kelly Moore did a
Speaker 1: nice job just kind of creating place for that would
Speaker 1: accommodate to him and his skills. I think that the
Speaker 1: fact that they were able to get so many guys
Speaker 1: involved so many options for him, so many different targets,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he wasn't perfect or anything, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, just uh we and we've known he's a
Speaker 1: very capable guy. It is just the fact of being
Speaker 1: able to plug him in in this type of offense
Speaker 1: and making it work. So I thought that the what
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore did as far as adjusting everything to hopefully
Speaker 1: to what I think favor him and give him as
Speaker 1: many options as possible definitely helped. And I thought he
Speaker 1: did a very nice job overall, because I didn't have
Speaker 1: any faith at that Before Sunday, I had no faith,
Speaker 1: no faith at all. So now now, yes, I'm on
Speaker 1: the Andy Dalton boat again. Man, I suck. I sucked
Speaker 1: because I switched my feelings so much with this team
Speaker 1: that it just sucks. But yes, good job by Andy Dalton, Dave.
Speaker 1: Nobody believed in my guy, Andy Nobody. No, everybody wanted
Speaker 1: Derek Gilbert, which actually so I thought he played great.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not trying to hate
Speaker 1: on him. I thought it was worse than what I
Speaker 1: was expecting, to be honest with you, just just by
Speaker 1: a little bit. And when I say that, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he distributed the ball well. I thought he looked he
Speaker 1: looked so poised and like he looked like a ten
Speaker 1: year vet who's been to three Pro Bowls, Like he
Speaker 1: didn't look phased by any of it. But six yards
Speaker 1: per attempt is really it's not wonderful by NFL standards,
Speaker 1: like the vertical element of the offense was not really there.
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he'd be capable of a few
Speaker 1: more explosive plays. Some of that isn't his fault, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup dropped along completion and you know, so it's
Speaker 1: but like I said, you know, the explosive elements of
Speaker 1: the offense wasn't there, but it can still come. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that's awful. And again, he
Speaker 1: played great. You know, he was clutch, he had three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: he threw the game winning touchdown pass. You can obviously
Speaker 1: win games with him playing the way that he played,
Speaker 1: but against obviously everybody left on the schedule kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: But against a better defense than Minnesota's. You know, they've
Speaker 1: got like four rookies in the secondary. Against the better
Speaker 1: defense than Minnesota's, yeah, I mean against I mean, Washington's
Speaker 1: got this great front that's gonna make life difficult on him.
Speaker 1: So against a better defense, I think you're gonna need
Speaker 1: him to. Like I said, there's gonna be a need
Speaker 1: to need to be more explosive in the passing game,
Speaker 1: probably if I had to guess, But it's a hell
Speaker 1: of a first step in the right direction. I thought
Speaker 1: he played really well. All We're gonna flip to the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. We got to talk about
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson yesterday. He has two takeaways. He is among
Speaker 1: the league leaders with nine tackles in the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: He has three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, two and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. Has Dallas finally found a playmaking safety again?
Speaker 1: I'm not saying these perfect or great. I am saying
Speaker 1: he might be the best prospect that they've had at
Speaker 1: the safety position in quite a long time. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts, Amber, Let's start with you him. Well, I
Speaker 1: want to ask this question to you guys who have
Speaker 1: a more experienced eye and perspective of the game. What
Speaker 1: was the big difference here? How come like all this
Speaker 1: funny we we keep seeing Donival Wilson in this game
Speaker 1: making plays and he's like, Okay, where has this been
Speaker 1: all year? So? What was the how? How? How did
Speaker 1: that make this happen? And how did he all of
Speaker 1: a sudden start making plays like this like we saw
Speaker 1: last night? So I need one of you guys to
Speaker 1: answer this for me, please. Well, I wrote a whole
Speaker 1: college I'll take a stab at it. Letting Nick, unless
Speaker 1: you've got well, I just laughed because my whole time
Speaker 1: was based off that question. Like, I really hope people
Speaker 1: don't say where has this been all year? And of course,
Speaker 1: um that was the question. But of course I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask it, you know, ask for Donovan Wilson. It's it's
Speaker 1: actually fair because I don't have a great answer for
Speaker 1: that one. I had answered for other ones, but because
Speaker 1: all he's ever done is made a play. Yeah, since
Speaker 1: he got here, Yeah, I mean yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: don't did he run poortally at the combine? I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know, because apparently he did it at A
Speaker 1: and M I mean, Rob was going nuts on Twitter,
Speaker 1: you know because with his achie making plays like that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: thought process is. I think I think the game was
Speaker 1: kind of big for him, Um, you know, just just
Speaker 1: learning and learning, you know, just picking up and being
Speaker 1: aware and stuff like that. But when he was out there,
Speaker 1: you know, he always seemed the ball just seems to
Speaker 1: find him. And that's a huge that's a huge strait
Speaker 1: for safety. It was interesting this morning I saw on
Speaker 1: Twitter someone put up Dane blue Brugle, who also does
Speaker 1: some draft coverage for US his draft right up on
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, and one of the things he said was
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can make plays, but he's a
Speaker 1: guy that can also be overly aggressive, and that can
Speaker 1: be frustrating at times because it causes him to overrun plays,
Speaker 1: it causes him sometimes to get targeting calls because he's
Speaker 1: just a little too aggressive. Um, And so I think
Speaker 1: that may be part of it. Is all we've seen
Speaker 1: since he's got there, Like you said, even in practice.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about him making plays in practice for
Speaker 1: a while now. Yeah, the issue is that they just
Speaker 1: haven't gotten him on the field. And now he's on
Speaker 1: the field, he's making plays. My question is, and what
Speaker 1: I want to go back and watches. Were there plays
Speaker 1: in the game yesterday and last week where he should
Speaker 1: have been in a place that he wasn't or he
Speaker 1: didn't quite get to make a tackle because he made
Speaker 1: he was a little too overaggressive. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't always show up, especially for guys making plays.
Speaker 1: You kind of gloss over that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's what's happening when you talk about a
Speaker 1: guy like this that's kind of a you know, he
Speaker 1: can do some big things, but he can also make
Speaker 1: some mistakes. For you, Dave, do you have an opinion
Speaker 1: on that? I don't want to, Well, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You're right, like I need to go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch it before I
Speaker 1: form an opinion. But I'm pretty sure he had a
Speaker 1: hand in jeff justin Jefferson's long touchdown, Like I think
Speaker 1: he was back in single high on that touchdown. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did not play a perfect game, but
Speaker 1: it sure is refreshing to just see a guy who
Speaker 1: can make plays on the ball. Like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say Donovan Wilson's definitely gonna be the
Speaker 1: next great Cowboys safety, but we just, like I said
Speaker 1: when I you know, when I said, that was the
Speaker 1: big moment of the game, Like, we just haven't seen
Speaker 1: that from the position. Lord knows Xavier Woods, He's had
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities in his career. He doesn't usually cash
Speaker 1: in on them, So it was just nice to see
Speaker 1: a safety who was capable of doing that. I'm positive
Speaker 1: he didn't play a perfect game, but I'll take what
Speaker 1: i can get. Yeah, At this point, it's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, those kind of the same things we've talked
Speaker 1: about with trey Von Diggs. You know, he's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but at least you like the fact he's making a
Speaker 1: play every now and then, right, he's doing something to
Speaker 1: make a play. And if you could turn the ball
Speaker 1: over on this team, then that's a guy I want
Speaker 1: to keep on this team because they don't have enough
Speaker 1: of those guys that are making those kinds of plays.
Speaker 1: And he turned like literally both those turnovers yesterday's those
Speaker 1: are plays that he made. This was not a quarterback
Speaker 1: that kind of overthrew a guy and you just happen
Speaker 1: to be in the right spot and you make the interception.
Speaker 1: These were situations where he literally the quarterback's going down
Speaker 1: and he strips the ball from the quarterback. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: the guy's coming across the middle of the field, he
Speaker 1: makes the catch and then you light him up in
Speaker 1: order to get the ball out and then to turn over. Like,
Speaker 1: those are opportunities that wouldn't be there but for his play.
Speaker 1: Can't give you some bad news. Sure, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's next I don't know if it's Thursday or
Speaker 1: in Baltimore or whatever. He's gonna get a fifteen yard
Speaker 1: penalty here pretty like, yes, a cup probably. I mean
Speaker 1: he could have actually got one on his hit to Cousins,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean if it was because he's very aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this, serry, if you would have
Speaker 1: played for Arkansas, I have been targeting. I will tell
Speaker 1: you this. I will tell you this. I will take
Speaker 1: a little bit and kicked out of that game. Here
Speaker 1: we go, Here we go. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into that. I will tell you this, though. I do
Speaker 1: think that he's going to be the kind of player
Speaker 1: that I will take that from some of the time.
Speaker 1: If he can give me some of the plays like
Speaker 1: we like he gave him yesterday. I'll take a little
Speaker 1: bit of over aggressive at times for this particular defense,
Speaker 1: because I think they need a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate you join us. Go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 1: Can I just I just one. I hate to be mean,
Speaker 1: be I get it has nothing to do with Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: but it's just something that I'm thinking about. Because we're
Speaker 1: talking about safeties, we're talking about being aggressive. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Can we can we stop giving Darren Woodson's number to
Speaker 1: the waldough of the defense, like it bums me out,
Speaker 1: like twenty eight deserve I'm not saying, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it needs to be retired, but it was Darryl Worley
Speaker 1: at the start of the season. And I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to hate on Richard Robinson. Lord knows why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I put that on the coaches more than anything that
Speaker 1: a practice squad guy had to play that many snaps.
Speaker 1: But it just hurts my heart a little bit to
Speaker 1: see number twenty eight just get picked on by the
Speaker 1: opposing offense like all season long, like all all year.
Speaker 1: So just I don't know, maybe maybe do something about that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, have a heart for Darren Woodson Mayan. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The equipment managers have told has told me
Speaker 1: before that they try to protect certain players, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you won't see a thirty three at a running back.
Speaker 1: You might see him defensive back or whatever, or forty
Speaker 1: eight it's not going to be a fullback or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're gonna protect those guys. So that surprises me that
Speaker 1: a dB. I mean, they gave it to Felix Jones
Speaker 1: as a running back, but at twenty eight, no, I
Speaker 1: think I think, right, Dave, that's a bit more discerning, right,
Speaker 1: offensive player. Yea. At this point, if you're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: then do it for a guy that you feel like
Speaker 1: is a little better player. Pick or right, do it
Speaker 1: the other way, like you're ninety four, or of course
Speaker 1: you're eighty eight, and say, all right, this guy, are
Speaker 1: you worthy of it? Yeah? Exactly, I certainly haven't seen
Speaker 1: that twenty eight. That's that caliber and of safety we have. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, we appreciate you, Jonas. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start getting into Cowboys versus the Washington football team.
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