WEBVTT - Unearthed! Piltdown Man

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tray, Steve Wilson, and I'm Holly Frying. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Piltdown Man one of the world's most infamous instances in

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<v Speaker 1>scientific fraud, and in August of which is this year,

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<v Speaker 1>researchers published a paper in Royal Society Open Science that

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<v Speaker 1>concluded that it was the work of a single hoaxer.

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than rolling that into our Unearthed episodes, which

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<v Speaker 1>are just around the corner, we are doing an entire

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<v Speaker 1>Unearthed episode just on this. Uh. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the pilt Down Man, how this hoax played out,

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<v Speaker 1>and what exactly was unearthed in this newly published paper

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<v Speaker 1>that inspired us to do the episode. Yeah. So that

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten lots of requests for over the years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, I've sort of had it on the

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to that one day maybe list. And now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a time when I can be proud of

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<v Speaker 1>my procrastination because it enabled this cool thing to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what what is? Uh? One of the things that's

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing to me is that I literally wrote this on

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<v Speaker 1>the list in August right that it has. I have

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<v Speaker 1>been planning to do this episode right now as of August,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it seems particularly relevant because it is such

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<v Speaker 1>a cautionary tale about not just uncritically observing absorbing things

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<v Speaker 1>that are announced as news. The whole time I was

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<v Speaker 1>working on this outline, I was like, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>feels like we just need a reminder so it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense of why the pilt down hoax even happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. We actually need to go all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back to Charles Darwin's publication of On the Origin

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<v Speaker 1>of Species in eighteen fifty nine. The full title of

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<v Speaker 1>that particular writing is on the Origin of Species by

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<v Speaker 1>Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of favored races

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<v Speaker 1>in the Struggle for Life, and this details Darwin's theories

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<v Speaker 1>of evolution by natural selection, which are at the foundation

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<v Speaker 1>of evolutionary biology. When he published this book, Darwin knew

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<v Speaker 1>that one type of evidence that would really support his

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<v Speaker 1>theories was in relatively short supply, and that is transitional fossils.

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<v Speaker 1>These are fossils that have some traits belonging to an

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<v Speaker 1>older species and some belonging to a more modern species.

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<v Speaker 1>And transitional fossils are physical evidence of an intermediary evolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>step that demonstrates how life is changing over time. One

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<v Speaker 1>famous example of a transitional fossil is archaeopterics. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>some features that are more like a reptile and others

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<v Speaker 1>that are more like a bird, and today it's viewed

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<v Speaker 1>as a transitional fossil between non avian dinosaurs and modern birds.

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<v Speaker 1>Darwin knew that people would try to discredit his work

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<v Speaker 1>because at that point in history, not that many transitional

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<v Speaker 1>fossils had been found. Archaeotrics, for example, would not even

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<v Speaker 1>be discovered until eighteen sixty, and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>at that point described it more as the first bird

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<v Speaker 1>rather than as a transitional fossil. Six of course, was

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<v Speaker 1>after his book had already been published, but Darwin actually

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<v Speaker 1>anticipated actually these exact source of discoveries. He explained in

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<v Speaker 1>the Origin of Species that this lack of evidence was

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<v Speaker 1>probably due to an incomplete geological record and not to

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<v Speaker 1>an actual absence of the fossils that would prove him Right.

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<v Speaker 1>After Darwin's publication of On the Origin of Species, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a big focus on finding more transitional fossils. In particular,

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<v Speaker 1>people were hoping to find the missing link, that single

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<v Speaker 1>fossil that would conclusively demonstrate a connection between ancient apes

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<v Speaker 1>and modern humans. Today, we know about lots of transitional

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<v Speaker 1>fossils that detailed the progression of all kinds of life.

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<v Speaker 1>We have transitional fossils and the evolutionary family trees of

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<v Speaker 1>birds and fish and whales and horses and elephants and

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<v Speaker 1>on and on. I literally could just randomly name animals.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thirty minute podcast episode is just Tracy saying

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<v Speaker 1>animal words. It starts to sound like the list of

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<v Speaker 1>what they were eating in Monty Python in the Holy Grail.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of human life, the idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>single missing link between ancient hominids and modern humans has

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<v Speaker 1>really vanished under the weight of a lot of individual

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<v Speaker 1>transitional fossils that add up to a human family tree

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<v Speaker 1>that's full of forks and branches. It is not a

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<v Speaker 1>single linear, one lane road that starts on a and

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<v Speaker 1>ends on human connected with one magical quote missing link fossil.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot more complicated than that. Yeah. Uh. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twelves, though, the missing link would have been an

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<v Speaker 1>earth shattering, groundbreaking and career making discovery, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>what brings us to pilt Down Man. In February of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twelve, Sir Arthur Smith Woodward, keeper of geology at

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<v Speaker 1>the British Museum now called the Natural History Museum, got

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<v Speaker 1>a letter from Charles Dawson. In addition to being a solicitor,

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<v Speaker 1>Dawson was an amateur archaeologist, and he said he had

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<v Speaker 1>found something very exciting in some gravel beds and pilt Down, Sussex.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Dawson's account, he had noticed that a road

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<v Speaker 1>where he lived had been repaired with some odd flints,

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<v Speaker 1>and he traced the flints to their source, which turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a shallow gravel bed. While talking the

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<v Speaker 1>workers there, he learned that they dug up something they

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<v Speaker 1>described as quote like a coconut, and that they'd thrown

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces away. Dawson dug these fragments out of the

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<v Speaker 1>trash and found that they were part of a skull,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the next couple of years he'd gone back

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<v Speaker 1>to the pit and found several other pieces of skull

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<v Speaker 1>and jaw bone before finally writing his letter to Smith Woodward.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh these skull fragments and jaw bone, he described, looked

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat human, but not exactly, and his letter he compared

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<v Speaker 1>his discovery to a jaw bone that had been discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by a workman in a sand pit near Heidelberg, Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh seven, which had been named Homo heidelberg insis.

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<v Speaker 1>In Homo heidelberg insis had some features in common with

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<v Speaker 1>Homo erectus and others in common with modern humans or

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<v Speaker 1>Homo sapiens. Dawson said his discovery quote would quote rival

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<v Speaker 1>h heidelberg Insis in solidity. Dawson and Smith Woodward kept

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<v Speaker 1>quiet about this find at first as they did some

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<v Speaker 1>more digging at the pit, and then they presented their

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<v Speaker 1>findings to a packed meeting of the Geological Society of

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<v Speaker 1>London on December eighteenth of nineteen twelve. They had an

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<v Speaker 1>ape like mandible or jawbone. Two of its molars were

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<v Speaker 1>in place and had significant wear, and then there were

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of the brain case of a skull, which seemed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more human than the mandible did. They had

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<v Speaker 1>also found some stone tools and fragments of other non

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<v Speaker 1>human mammal fossils. Their coloring was comparable to that of

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<v Speaker 1>the gravel bed, and the conclusion was that these fossils

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<v Speaker 1>were at least five hundred thousand years old. Regarding their presentation, A. C. Hadn't,

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<v Speaker 1>writing in the journal Science, said quote Mr Dawson gave

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<v Speaker 1>an account of the finding of the specimens, the nature

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<v Speaker 1>and geographical and geological position of the gravel bed, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Smith Woodward described the remains in a most excellent manner.

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<v Speaker 1>Hadn't went on to write, quote, there could be no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that this is a discovery of the greatest importance

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<v Speaker 1>and will give rise to much discussion. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>nearest approach we have yet reached to a missing link.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably few will deny that EU Anthropist Dawson I is almost,

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<v Speaker 1>if not quite, as much human as Simian. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say we are guessing on how that is pronounced,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seems like no one knows. So your Anthropist

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<v Speaker 1>Dawson I is what they've named their find, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means Dawson's dawn Man, which is not self congratulatory at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know, often scientific names of things are

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<v Speaker 1>named after the person who found or discovered or put

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<v Speaker 1>them in a taxonomy or whatever, but like Dawson's dawn Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems particularly back Patty Yeah uh in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and nineteen fourteen, excavations continued at the gravel pit

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<v Speaker 1>where these first fossils had reportedly been recovered, and these

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<v Speaker 1>excavations unearthed some other evidence as well. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>canine tooth which had some features in common with ape

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<v Speaker 1>teeth and others in common with modern human teeth. They

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<v Speaker 1>also found a carved slab of bone that became known

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<v Speaker 1>as the cricket bat because it was roughly shaped like one.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Dawson did keep excavating, or at least saying he

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<v Speaker 1>was excavating, the start of World War One meant that

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<v Speaker 1>it took place on a much smaller scale. He sent

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of postcards to Smith Woodward saying that he

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<v Speaker 1>had found some other fossils and other sites not far

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<v Speaker 1>away from that first find, but otherwise this was really

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the discoveries that pilt Down, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Dawson died in nineteen sixteen. A lot of scientists were

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<v Speaker 1>very excited about the pilt Down discoveries. Understandably, not only

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<v Speaker 1>were they put forth as the missing link that was

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<v Speaker 1>so important to evolutionary science at the time, but they

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<v Speaker 1>had also been found in Britain, which meant that the

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<v Speaker 1>British Isles had played an important part in the evolution

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<v Speaker 1>of all of humanity. The British Empire was at this

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<v Speaker 1>point the largest empire and human history, controlling almost one

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of all of the land on Earth. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Britain had also been a key stone and

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<v Speaker 1>human evolution carried this mix of pride and of wealth. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>these people were quite ready to believe that Britain was

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<v Speaker 1>actually the birthplace of the human at the human species.

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<v Speaker 1>So although it was not universally accepted, the pilt Down

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<v Speaker 1>Man played a major role in scientific thought about human

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<v Speaker 1>evolution for about the next forty years. More than two

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<v Speaker 1>d and fifty papers and monographs were published about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was cited in more than seventy publications. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was a pretty big deal. And it was also

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<v Speaker 1>completely made up. We're going to talk about after a

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor break. So after this announcement, many in the scientific

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<v Speaker 1>community just took Dawson and Smith Woodward's report to the

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<v Speaker 1>Geological Society of London at face value. The original pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of these specimens were locked away in storage for safekeeping,

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<v Speaker 1>but casts of them were made to share with researchers

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to do further stuff. A A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the early scientific debate about these specimens didn't even consider

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<v Speaker 1>the basic question of whether they were authentic at all. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it was about things like whether smith Wouldwards interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>the skull was correct. He had made a reconstruction of

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<v Speaker 1>the skull based on nine fragments that had initially been found.

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<v Speaker 1>The resulting skull had a capacity of about one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy six cubic centimeters to other anatomists and anthropologists

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<v Speaker 1>disagreed about whether Smith Wouldwards reconstruction was accurate. Sir Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Keith of Scotland was on one side of this debate,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sir Grafton Elliott Smith of Australia was on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith made his own reconstruction, which had a capacity of

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen hundred cubic centimeters, or about the same as

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<v Speaker 1>a modern human skull, which prompted Smith Woodward to revise

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<v Speaker 1>his original reconstruction. Smith, on the other hand, came to

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<v Speaker 1>different conclusions, insisting that the original one thousand, seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>cubic centimeters was a lot more correct. These all had

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<v Speaker 1>to do with basically how the skull pieces were lined up.

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<v Speaker 1>And what parts of the skull bones people thought they

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<v Speaker 1>were from. Like you think of your skull as one

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<v Speaker 1>solid piece, but it's actually several pieces connected by sutures.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question was whether these nine fragments of skull

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<v Speaker 1>were being correctly used to make a reconstruction, not whether

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<v Speaker 1>they were actually from a prehistoric human. There was also

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk about whether the canine tooth that

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<v Speaker 1>was found later was really part of the same mandible

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<v Speaker 1>or not, but there was no talk about whether any

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<v Speaker 1>of these pieces were actually genuine. Basically, a big chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of the scientific literature surrounding this fine just was credulous

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<v Speaker 1>and uncritical from the start. And to be fair, many

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<v Speaker 1>of the technologies that we used to authenticate the age

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<v Speaker 1>of fossils today were not invented yet and they would

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<v Speaker 1>not be for more than twenty years. And also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the other fossil evidence today that we know

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<v Speaker 1>about that shows that hominids developed more humanlike jaws before

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<v Speaker 1>they developed developed bigger brain cases, those had not been

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<v Speaker 1>discovered yet either, so they didn't really have things to

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<v Speaker 1>compare them to you. But even so, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people studying this fine simply took for granted from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning that it was legitimate, and they framed their study

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<v Speaker 1>from there, Like the quote popularized by Carl Sagan, Extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>claims like I found the missing link in a gravel

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<v Speaker 1>pit and pilt down require extraordinary evidence, and that just

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<v Speaker 1>was not present here. This uncritical acceptance that the piltd

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<v Speaker 1>Down Man was real was certainly not completely universal, especially

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<v Speaker 1>as time passed and people had more opportunities to study it.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, American zoologist Garrett Smith Miller published quote the

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw of the Piltdown Man in Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifteen, and which he concluded that the skull fragments

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<v Speaker 1>did come from a real human skull, but that the

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<v Speaker 1>mandible came from an extinct species of chimpanzee. Writing an

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<v Speaker 1>American anthropologist, William K. Gregory later published an analysis the

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<v Speaker 1>molars which concluded quote, I believe that Mr. Miller is

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<v Speaker 1>fully justified in holding that the lower molars of the

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<v Speaker 1>pilt down jaw are those of a chimpanzee and not

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<v Speaker 1>of an extinct genus of hominity. As more analysis emerged,

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<v Speaker 1>there were also people who not only questioned whether this

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<v Speaker 1>work was quote scientifically justifiable, but also warned that all

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<v Speaker 1>this buzz and heightened expectations were dangerous. George Grant mcgurdy

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<v Speaker 1>had published a fairly credulous overview of the pilt Down

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<v Speaker 1>findings in nineteen fourteen, but by nineteen sixteen he had

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<v Speaker 1>not only revised his own opinions, but was also alarmed

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<v Speaker 1>at the state of scientific inquiry around the pilt Down Man.

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<v Speaker 1>In the journal Science, mcgourty outlined a range of doubts, criticisms,

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<v Speaker 1>and skeptical inquiries that had come in from the United States, Britain, France,

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<v Speaker 1>and Italy, among other places, and he included this warning quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Has not this dazzling combination blinded the discoverers and indirectly

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<v Speaker 1>some of their colleagues, even at a distance, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the high pitch of expectancy to which recent discoveries in

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<v Speaker 1>the prehistoric field have not, without reason contributed. Under the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>such blindness, if only temporary, would be pardonable in comparatively harmless,

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<v Speaker 1>but serious danger lurks in the possibility of its persisting

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<v Speaker 1>long enough to become an obsession and a hindrance to

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<v Speaker 1>future progress in this particular field, and that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. In spite of the growing body of skepticism

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<v Speaker 1>and criticism, the pilt Down man became a widely accepted

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<v Speaker 1>part of a body of scientific literature. Things started to

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<v Speaker 1>unravel a little about a decade after the pilt Down discovery. First,

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<v Speaker 1>in it was discovered that these gravel beds where the

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<v Speaker 1>fossils were found were not old enough to contain five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand year old fossils. Whoops uh. Then, starting in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties, paleontologists started finding other hominid fossils in

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the world, and they seemed to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>an evolution of human life that was taking place primarily

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<v Speaker 1>in Africa and Asia. And as we noted earlier that

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<v Speaker 1>the jaws were becoming more human like before the brain

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<v Speaker 1>cases and not the other way around, it made less

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<v Speaker 1>and less sense that some critical moment in human evolution

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<v Speaker 1>had happened on some tiny islands off the northwest coast

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe, following a totally different pattern from what was

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<v Speaker 1>being discovered elsewhere. But even so, a sizeable chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific community carried on believing that the pilt Down

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<v Speaker 1>specimens were genuine. A number of chemical and Isotopic dating

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<v Speaker 1>methods started to be developed in the nineteen forties, and

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty three, Kenneth Oakley, then head of anthropology

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<v Speaker 1>at the British Museum, analyze the pilt Down Man's skull

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<v Speaker 1>fragments through fluorine dating, and the fragments were definitely much

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<v Speaker 1>newer than Dawson and Smith Woodward had said, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were way way too new to be the missing link.

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<v Speaker 1>The first test suggested that it was only fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years old, not ten times that. Following Oakley's discovery, the

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<v Speaker 1>British Museum publicly announced that the pilt Down Man was

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<v Speaker 1>a fraud. And these flooring tests definitely were not perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>They showed that all the skull pieces were the same age,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas later analysis would show that in fact they were not,

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<v Speaker 1>and later on more refined dating methods would also determine

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<v Speaker 1>that the pieces were only about six hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not fifty thousand. But in spite of those shortcomings,

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<v Speaker 1>they were definite proof that the pilt Down Man was

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<v Speaker 1>not a real hominid fossil. Yeah. As our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>test things got better over time because we learned, so

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<v Speaker 1>did our ability to point out just how fake these

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<v Speaker 1>things really were. Further analysis showed the mandible was really

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<v Speaker 1>from a juvenile orangutan, and that all these pieces that

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<v Speaker 1>had been purported to be a person's remains were actually

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<v Speaker 1>meticulously altered to look genuine. They had been stained to

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<v Speaker 1>match the material in the gravel beds, but the stains

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<v Speaker 1>were not made of substances that were local to the area.

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<v Speaker 1>The molars had also been artificially worn down to like

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<v Speaker 1>natural and then other mammal fossils that were found in

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<v Speaker 1>the same area were actual genuine fossils, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>not from species that actually lived in pilt Down. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was not a case of somebody accidentally finding some

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<v Speaker 1>human bones near on a rangutan bone for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>and then drawing of logical but incorrect conclusion. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a deliberate hoax. The good news was, with the pilt

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<v Speaker 1>Down man out of the way, all of the other

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<v Speaker 1>fossil evidence that had been discovered in Africa and Asia

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<v Speaker 1>in the decades since then made a lot more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no longer any lingering question of, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>humanity's origins are in this part of the world and

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<v Speaker 1>evolving this way, traveling in this pattern, what is this

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<v Speaker 1>other fossil doing way over here following a completely different model.

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<v Speaker 1>This was incredibly important in terms of the study of

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<v Speaker 1>human evolution. The pilt Down Man had become such a

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<v Speaker 1>dominant presence in the field that people were using its

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<v Speaker 1>existence to totally disregard legitimate fossil findings that strongly suggested

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<v Speaker 1>human origins in Africa. One of the foundations of scientific

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<v Speaker 1>progress is the ability to reassess your conclusions when you're

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<v Speaker 1>faced with new, compelling evidence. But the pilt Down Man

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<v Speaker 1>was such a juggernaut that people were disregarding that new

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<v Speaker 1>evidence instead. This was probably complicated by a conscious or

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<v Speaker 1>unconscious reluctance among at least some scientists to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>modern humanity rose in Africa, not in Britain. But the

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<v Speaker 1>bad news was that a lot of the world had

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<v Speaker 1>fallen for this hoax. It had impeded progress and perpetuated

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<v Speaker 1>inaccurate information for decades. On top of that, the revelation

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<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't real eroded the general public's belief in science.

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<v Speaker 1>In the words of Ernest A. Houghton of Harvard, writing

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<v Speaker 1>an American Anthropologists in ninety four, quote, what really worries

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<v Speaker 1>me is the revelation to a lady that is often

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<v Speaker 1>hostile to biological science, of calculated dishonesty on the part

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<v Speaker 1>of someone intimately concerned with a discovery of supposedly great

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<v Speaker 1>importance to the history of man. It is as shocking

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<v Speaker 1>is the proof that men in high places of our

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<v Speaker 1>own government have betrayed their country. Already, the press is

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<v Speaker 1>flooded with accusations by anti evolutionists that all of the

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<v Speaker 1>other evidence of man's origin from an ape like ancestry

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<v Speaker 1>has been deliberately faked by unscrupulous scientists. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the pilt down fraud is possibly and even probably unique,

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<v Speaker 1>will be very difficult for the public to accept. Before

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<v Speaker 1>you get too attached to the wise words of Ernest here,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they really touched me. I feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>are applicable even still today. Uh. He also did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work combining race in criminology that was influenced

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<v Speaker 1>by the eugenics movement, and the a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>work was pretty definitely racist. So as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>love these words that he has to say about how

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<v Speaker 1>damaging it was for this to be revealed as a fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other factors of his work. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a uh an endorsement of him as a scientist

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<v Speaker 1>by us as podcasters who are not scientists. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can appreciate his insight in that moment without applauding

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his body of work, for sure. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And with this finding now unquestionably shown to be fraudulent,

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<v Speaker 1>the focus then turned to piecing together who had done

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<v Speaker 1>it and why, And we're going to talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>after we first paused for a word from one of

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsors. In the years after the Piltdown Man was

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<v Speaker 1>shown to be a hoax, many many theories were put

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<v Speaker 1>forth about the potential culprits. A lot of the attention

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<v Speaker 1>has been on Dawson himself. After all, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>one who reported the findings of the first place, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was instrumental in the announcement and the initial investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>He may have hoped that such a profound discovery would

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<v Speaker 1>earn him admission into the Royal Society. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>people who either knew or worked with Dawson were siting

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<v Speaker 1>side of his possibilities as well, including Samuel Woodhead and

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Taliard de Chardins. The latter was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>actually found that canine tooth. Even though he played such

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<v Speaker 1>a huge role, most people did not suspect Sir Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Smith Woodward, believing him to have been an unwilling dupe

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<v Speaker 1>or one of the intended targets to His reputation would

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<v Speaker 1>have been ruined if word had gotten out while he

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<v Speaker 1>was still alive. Sir Arthur Keith, whose paper on the

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<v Speaker 1>skull reconstruction we talked about earlier, was also suggested as

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect. One of the most famous suspects, at least

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the world of scientists, was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,

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<v Speaker 1>who knew Dawson had an interest in this type of

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<v Speaker 1>thing and lived nearby. In nine weird set of criteria

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<v Speaker 1>to say somebody is a suspect, I mean there were like,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently there were people who were like, he just wants

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy the evolutionists, right, that's some seriously circumstantial stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's getting piece together. Flimsy circumstantial stuff. Uh in n s.

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<v Speaker 1>A trunk found in storage in the British Museum was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered to contain a number of bones, including some that

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<v Speaker 1>had been stained in a similar manner to the piltdown Man.

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<v Speaker 1>This trunk marked with the initials M. A. C. H

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<v Speaker 1>apparently belonged to Martin A. C. Hinton, who also amassed

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<v Speaker 1>quite a collection of other bones, fossils, and specimens. He

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<v Speaker 1>had been working as a volunteer at the museum in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twelve, and he became its keeper of Zoology in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six. So naturally this brought up lots of

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<v Speaker 1>theories about what was going on with what was in

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<v Speaker 1>this trunk. One of the theories was that these bones

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<v Speaker 1>were Hinton's trial run, and that he had done this

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<v Speaker 1>and then planted the fossils in quotation marks to get

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<v Speaker 1>revenge on Smith Woodward, who had turned him down when

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to move his volunteer position back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twelve into a paid one. However, not all of this

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<v Speaker 1>quite adds up. I had a hard time pending down

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why this was later debunked as being who had

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<v Speaker 1>orchestrated this, But his time at the museum started after

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<v Speaker 1>the first discovery at pilt Down, and he also had

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<v Speaker 1>expressed some skepticism at the fine being authentic. So another

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<v Speaker 1>school of ought is that the way these stained bones

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<v Speaker 1>that looked very similar to the pilt Down specimens came

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<v Speaker 1>to be in his suitcase is that he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to replicate the coloring it pilt down to prove that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a fraud. The paper, published in Royal Society

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<v Speaker 1>Open Science this year, is an attempt to conclusively solve

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<v Speaker 1>this whole puzzle once and for all. The study involved

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<v Speaker 1>DNA analysis, dating analysis, spectroscopy, and high precision measurements of

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<v Speaker 1>the specimens, as well as studying three dimensional representations of them,

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<v Speaker 1>which is known as virtual anthropology. The DNA analysis confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that teeth and the mandible were from an orangutan, probably

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<v Speaker 1>one born in Borneo, and that all of the orangutan

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<v Speaker 1>specimens that were part of this hoax probably came from

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<v Speaker 1>the same individual animal. Attempts to figure out whether there

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<v Speaker 1>are any missing orangutan specimens and local museum collections have

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<v Speaker 1>so far been unsuccessful, but it's also possible that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>could have bought an orangutan skull in an antiquarian shop.

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<v Speaker 1>A minimum of two, possibly three different human skulls were

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<v Speaker 1>used in the production of the skull fragments, and while

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<v Speaker 1>tests to figure out whether they were all the same

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<v Speaker 1>age were inconclusive, they were all subjected to the same

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<v Speaker 1>m O to make them look like fossils that could

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<v Speaker 1>have come from that gravel bed, and there was dental

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<v Speaker 1>putty used to hold the teeth in place and the

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<v Speaker 1>mandible and to hold the gravel and pebble plugs in place,

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<v Speaker 1>with these materials being similar to the sediment that was

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<v Speaker 1>at the pilt Down dig site, that this discovery of

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<v Speaker 1>dentil putty was not new to this research that was

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<v Speaker 1>just published, like people knew about the dentil putty way before,

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<v Speaker 1>which like continues to make me question why in n

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<v Speaker 1>nobody was like this looks glued on, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was just some really really skillful dentil putty use,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. That's one of the many things

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<v Speaker 1>that makes me go, how ready were you all to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the missing link was from Britain? Because that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only way all this works. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is very ready, extremely ready. The team concludes that,

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<v Speaker 1>given the consistencies in the m O and the limited

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<v Speaker 1>number of total specimens, the pilt Down Man was probably

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<v Speaker 1>the work of one forger, most likely Charles Dawson, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>trying to further his own scientific career, which given that

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<v Speaker 1>he died in nineteen sixteen, at the age of fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>just four years after the first announcement clearly did not

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<v Speaker 1>quite work out for him. I had a whole conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about this episode with with my husband in the car

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend about how, like, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these different people have been put forth as potential suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them are are sort of dismissed,

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<v Speaker 1>and really all of these things are really circumstantial, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's just there's even with all of this analysis, there's

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<v Speaker 1>still a lot of circumstantial evidence and guesswork and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. But to me, the biggest strike against Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Dawson is the fact that he did die only four

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<v Speaker 1>years after this whole thing started, so any like many

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<v Speaker 1>of these other people who have been pointed out as

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<v Speaker 1>suspects lived for a whole lot longer, and and that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of raises the question of, Okay, what were they

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<v Speaker 1>after that never came to fruition? Right, Like Charles Dawson's

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<v Speaker 1>relatively early death makes it seem like whatever he was

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<v Speaker 1>after he didn't get and then he was never he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't around to either further perpetuate it or be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I made that up like that's it's

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<v Speaker 1>yet another piece of circumstantial evidence, uh in in the

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Dawson column. So all of that, though, may raise

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<v Speaker 1>the question why spend so much time and effort just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get the bottom of who did this? And so,

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<v Speaker 1>in the words of the papers authors quote, solving the

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<v Speaker 1>pilt down hoax is still important now. It stands as

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<v Speaker 1>a cautionary tale to scientists not to see what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to see, but to remain objective and to subject

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<v Speaker 1>even their own findings to the strongest scientific scrutiny. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a piltdown, man. I love that episode. Thank you, Tracy. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're very welcome. I'm I'm gonna totally admit I had

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<v Speaker 1>a very good time reading the vastly incorrect papers published

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen teens about this finding from people

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<v Speaker 1>who were flat out wrong, and at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>I was really bad about it, Like uh we I

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<v Speaker 1>have often when we've done episodes about old medical history

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, read you know, the old papers

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<v Speaker 1>from the time that that were published, and these, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people very confidently espousing stuff that's wrong, just really wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it makes me a lot matter this time

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<v Speaker 1>because it was wrong, and somebody did it on purpose

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<v Speaker 1>and it stood in the way of scientific progress for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes me real mad. Yeah, we uh you and I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about off Mike, the fact that forty years is

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<v Speaker 1>a really long time when you consider like that is

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<v Speaker 1>the length of a career for a scientist in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there were probably people who were not willingly

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<v Speaker 1>even party to this sort of blindness. But we're proceeding

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<v Speaker 1>along on a career path that was basically complete blunder,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wasted their time and their scientific minds and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and wasted the greater whole of humanity's ability to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about where we came from. And then it's by

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<v Speaker 1>total coincidence that between the day when I wrote this

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<v Speaker 1>on the calendar however many month months ago, and now

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<v Speaker 1>like now, there is such a renewed focus on like

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<v Speaker 1>the the putting out there of just fake wrong information

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<v Speaker 1>that is demonstrably wrong and it being accepted as fact. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have listener mail? I do, And it's also

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<v Speaker 1>about science. It is from Sarah. Here's what she says.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah says, Dear Holly and Tracy, longtime listener, first time caller.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your podcast, But yesterday was downright spooky. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a graduate student at the University of Washington, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my dungeon I mean sub basement lab, happily

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<v Speaker 1>listening to my backlog podcasts when your podcast about the

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<v Speaker 1>Orphans tsunami began. The reason this is spooky is that

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<v Speaker 1>I was collecting data about a landslide I think was

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<v Speaker 1>triggered by the earthquake. Right now, I am doing a

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<v Speaker 1>green size analysis of my slide and comparing it to

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<v Speaker 1>the devastated landslide that killed fifty people I have. I

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<v Speaker 1>have attached some pictures of my sieves and oven and

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<v Speaker 1>the field work back ho and my mentor where it

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<v Speaker 1>samples were collected. I continued with my work, which involved

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<v Speaker 1>running some errands well low and Behold, just as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the car to take my radio carbon samples

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<v Speaker 1>to the lab, you talk about radio carbon dating. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to respectfully request that you, lovely ladies, please

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<v Speaker 1>remove the cameras you have following me around. This connection

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<v Speaker 1>between landslides and earthquakes makes sense when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The shaking cause by an earthquake can destabilize otherwise safe slopes,

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<v Speaker 1>high topography, can also amp amplify and earthquakes waves, creating

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<v Speaker 1>an even stronger shaking north Widge north Ridge earthquake at

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<v Speaker 1>six point seven on the moment magnitude, we don't use

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<v Speaker 1>rictor anymore cause and estimated fifty thousand uh. It's the earthquakes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it might mean landslides. Here in the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest, we are especially landslide prone at glaciers occupied

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<v Speaker 1>the area until very recently geologically, and glaciers tend to

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<v Speaker 1>leave very steep slopes because of the immense weight and

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<v Speaker 1>pressure inherent in a mile thick layer of ice. The

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<v Speaker 1>glaciers Impuget Sound especially contribute to our risk and because

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<v Speaker 1>of the large amount of loose sediment deposited, Combining loose

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<v Speaker 1>glacial sediment over steep in slopes and earthquakes could be

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<v Speaker 1>a recipe for disaster. You also mentioned in the episode

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<v Speaker 1>the silt deposits and tide flats that helped us identify

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<v Speaker 1>the tsunami events this summer. I had the good fortune

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<v Speaker 1>to get to examine some of these deposits with one

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<v Speaker 1>of the main authorities I believe he wrote the book

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned in the podcast. Even with a group of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty trained geologists, and we cut into the tide flat deposits.

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<v Speaker 1>The tiny silt deposits were hard to see. I've attached

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. Then she describes what's in the picture. These

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<v Speaker 1>deposits are only centimeters thick in some places and not

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<v Speaker 1>well distributed. Digging a whole meter away from the original

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<v Speaker 1>had very different thicknesses and layering. The silt, which comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a few kilometers out to see, is carried in

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<v Speaker 1>suspense and by the tsunami wave and deposited inland as

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<v Speaker 1>the wave loses energy. The tide flats are a great

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<v Speaker 1>place to look for this deposit because they are well preserved.

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<v Speaker 1>Storms can create similar deposits as well. I understand if

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<v Speaker 1>you can distinguish storms from tsunammies because storm deposits are thicker,

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<v Speaker 1>because storms into last days. For us, adunamist into the

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<v Speaker 1>last hours. Don't quote me on that, which I just did.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she goes on to write about some uh,

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<v Speaker 1>some territory we've covered in other listener male about the

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<v Speaker 1>um the threat of earthquake in Seattle, and she thanks

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<v Speaker 1>us and gives us some episode suggestions. Thank you so much, Sarah.

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