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How can we stop it? 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Who is this team boy killer? Take a listen to 20 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: one child that lived to tell the tale. Here another 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: loud banging. A look over and I see a guy 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: with pistol and a longer guns on him. I jumped 23 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: under the table, heard another loud bang, and I flipped 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: the table up in front of me for some protection. 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: These people are like, let's go, let's go. And I 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: just took off running a so idea that I had 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: been shot yet it went in through the back of 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: my head, just right kind of in the middle of 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: the back of my head, and they came out right here. 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I took off running out the door and there's seven 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: foot wall out there. Just my adrenaline is so high 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: that just propelled myself over the wall. He got shot 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: and then the back of the head at See one. 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: He could have been a quadriplegic. And it went in clean. 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: And when the doctor told me it went in clean 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: and it went out clean. I just feel lucky to 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: be here. I just I just wish this didn't happen. 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen to anybody in that school. Nobody, nobody 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: deserves that. You know, so often we catch ourselves to actually. 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: Willcott juvenile judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com, 41 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: also with the Investigative Reporter with crime stories John Limley. 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, l A psychoanalyst, Vincent Hill, private investigator, 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: and David Kat's former d E, A agent and active 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: shooter expert. As she willcot so many times that we say, 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: why did this happen to me? Why did that happen 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: to me? Here is a child that lived, that was 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: shot in the head and lived. It's a miracle, I 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: would say, Ashley, Yeah, it absolutely is. And can you 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: imagine you send your kids to school where they should 50 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: be safe, where you think they're safe, where you think 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: that they're getting the education they need, they deserve, and 52 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: then you find out, oh wait, another school shooting. It's 53 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: an absolute miracle that this boy survived. You know what 54 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this morning, Dr Bethany Marshall and 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: all of you experts, Vincent Hill, Davy Catch John Leely, 56 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: just hold on a moment where we ladies are talking. 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Mom to mom's sister to sister. Dr Bethany. This morning, 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: when I dropped the children at school, I looked out 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: at them and Lucy had on this really heavy backpackcause 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: she's taking a project and stuffed in't really heavy, and 61 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: she was wearing a scort. You know, it looks like 62 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: a skirl on the outside when it's really short Saturday, 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: and the scort had was caught in the backpack, so 64 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: little skirt part was caught up under her backpack. You 65 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: could see her shorts. And I knew that although you 66 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: didn't see her underwear, you could see her shorts, that 67 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: that was totally She's the kind of person that would 68 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: be read all day long. So I yelled out through 69 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: the window just to John Davis, said tell Lucy to 70 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: fix her skirt in the back and then I drove 71 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: away and I turned and I just broke down in 72 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: tears because I thought of all those parents I was 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: worried about Lucy's scort, okay, and all those parents that 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: left their children that day and they never saw them 75 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: alive again. They got a text or a phone call, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, 76 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: and you know immediately that something is horribly wrong. Dr Bethany, 77 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: you know Nancy. And there was one parent her daughter 78 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: texted her, and the parents started furiously texting her daughter's friends, saying, 79 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: don't text my daughter because she knew her daughter was 80 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: holed up in a closet and the mother did not 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: want the killer to find her daughter. To me, I 82 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine that agony the mother went through. And in 83 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: terms of grief, you know what it's like to be 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: a parent. You put all of your energy, your time, 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: your attachment, your love, your focus into this child, and 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: then it just comes to an abrupt halt. There's no 87 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: breakfast the next morning, there's no homework that you're going 88 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: to help your child with. There's no future. And I 89 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: once heard about grieving. Grieving is disillusionment. When you grieve, 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: you dismantle your illusion that you will have a future 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: with this person as you imagined it. So those parents 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: are not only thinking about the trauma. The parents who 93 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: have lost a child, they their minds are going through 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: everything they hoped for for this child, college weddings, family outings, 95 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: and adjusting to the fact that those things will never happen, 96 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: all because of this one shooter. You know, Dr Bethany, 97 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: you're ripping my heart into because I'm sure I call 98 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: these other parents in Texas, that's my whole life. I 99 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: gear everything toward them getting out of school that night. 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: What are we going to be doing? What am I 101 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: gonna make for dinner? What project do we have to 102 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: work on? What soccer practice. And it's not that I'm 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: a rat on a treadmill running. I want to do 104 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: it all. Sometimes my husband will say, oh, let me 105 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: take them to soccer practice. I'm like, no, I want 106 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: to go. You want to get all the fun. No, 107 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: it's just I'm thinking about all these parents this morning. UM, 108 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I want you to listen to students telling us from 109 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: their own mouth, in their own words, what they saw. 110 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: My friend heard he saw a guy welcome to the 111 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: gun and uh so he pulled the fire alarm and 112 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: we were all standing outside back and then uh, the 113 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: teacher started, you know, freaking out. They were saying, you know, 114 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: back up, and then Vaughan, Mr. Mr Vaughan said run, 115 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: so everybody took off. I heard three shots and then 116 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I grabbed her. We ran to the trees over here 117 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: to get out of you know site, and then uh, 118 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: I called my mom and I heard four more shots. 119 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: So we came to this uh car wash over here, 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: and then I met with my mom and everything and 121 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: heard about everything. And there was a girl that we 122 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: saw coming this way towards the car wash and she uh, 123 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: she had a bandage around her kneecap. She apparently got 124 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: shot in the kneecap and she was sitting in the 125 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: car something like that, and someone came and got her 126 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: some environment. And then from there we've just been trying 127 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: to hear everything that's been going on. I was just 128 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: sitting in class and all of a sudden, the firewarm 129 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: went off. I thought it was just a fire drill, 130 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: so we went outside. I left my bag inside and 131 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: I met up with him, and then all these teachers 132 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: telling us to get back, and then UH, people were 133 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: like running and leaving, and then they were like come back, 134 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: like don't run off, and then all of a sudden, 135 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: we heard like three like pops, like gun shots, So 136 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: then we all just took off running. Uh. He grabbed 137 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: my hand and we ran, and then we ran through 138 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the bushes and I got caught in the barbed wire 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: and got a cut on my ankle um. And then 140 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: we heard more shots and the street next to that 141 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: car wash, and then we went to the car wash 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: and waited, and then his mom showed up. I heard 143 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: around four to five shots, I don't know. As soon 144 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: as I figured out what they were, I started to 145 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: run to hide. So students reported hearing the fire alarm 146 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: first and then the shots. Is that what that kind 147 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: of sequence events for? You know? I heard the shots first, 148 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: and then the alarms went off. After I hid, we 149 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: were all in a line and there were lots of 150 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: lots of swats and police around. They escort us all out. 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: We were in a single file line and we came 152 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: down here to the chevron um. I was thinking it 153 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: was going to happen. Eventually, it happens. It's been happening everywhere. 154 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I was ready to run out, but my teacher told 155 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: me to hide instead, so that's what I did. With 156 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: the fire drill went off, and we all thought it 157 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: was the fire drill, so we walked out normally, and 158 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I hear and they're pushing 159 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: us closer to that fits well. Then a coach comes 160 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: or a teacher comes and starts yellinized run run, So 161 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: we're running across the highway and then we just had 162 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: to keep running. And then we went to Indian Automotive 163 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: and they hit us there for a while, and then 164 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: we walked out and that was pretty much it. I'm 165 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: just imagining that moment when the students turned to the 166 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: teacher and the teacher says, run, run, with me is 167 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: David Kat's former d e A and active shooter expert, 168 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: John Linley, investigative reporter Vincent Hill, Bethany Marshall, Ashley Willcott, 169 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: John Linley, what do we know about how the shooting 170 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: went down? Well, the school day Nancy had just gotten underway. 171 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: That's how this case is different from the other twenty 172 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: one twenty two school shootings this year alone. Uh, it's 173 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: around seven o'clock with just days to go before summer vacation. 174 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: This is a Friday, so students are naturally excited about 175 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: all of this. This is always a tough time to 176 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: be a teacher because it's a challenge for them to 177 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: keep the student's attention for longer than thirty seconds at 178 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a time. Now, one of those students was the one 179 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: that we heard from at the very outset of the 180 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: program today. His name is Rome Schubert. He's a sophomore 181 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: at Santa Fe High School. He walked into art class 182 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Friday morning at seven oh three, as he usually does 183 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: to finish a project before school gets started. UM a 184 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: little bit about him. He's a star pitcher on the 185 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: baseball team. He had thrown eleven strikeouts in the team's 186 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: playoff game the night before while giving up no earned runs, 187 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: but was still agonizing over the team's for to zero loss. Now, 188 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: about forty minutes later, a gunman walks into the classroom 189 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: and starts shooting. As we heard, Rome said he heard 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: a loud pop from the hallway but really didn't think 191 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: anything about it at first. After more shots were fired, 192 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: he jumped to the floor pushed a table between himself 193 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: and the entrance to the classroom. Uh and they again 194 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: were in art class. This is what was the first 195 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: classroom that the shooter entered that morning. Uh. Rome said 196 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: that he actually saw the gunman's legs covered by a 197 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: trench coat as he walked right past him and fired 198 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: at the ground right next to him. He was carrying 199 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: both a shotgun and a handgun. At first, Rome thought 200 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: the shooter might have been firing blanks to scare students, 201 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: but then he realized very quickly that the rounds were 202 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: live when he saw a student covered in blood next 203 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: to him, and as we've heard, acting on pure adrenaline, 204 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: um he sprinded to a rear exit in the room 205 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: and bounded over a seven foot wall. At this point, 206 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't even realize that he himself has been shot 207 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Oh, my stars, doesn't 208 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: realize he's been shot in the back of the head. 209 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: I want to go to David Kat's former d E 210 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: A agent and active shooter expert. But first, David, I 211 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: want you to hear the dispatch call. Santa Fe PDS 212 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: requested mutulated having a shooting at the high school. Have 213 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: an officer dawn shooter LA in custody Santa f A 214 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I C connected dickon cinematic one needs you to say 215 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: for shooting at Santa Fe School six hundred otaway six 216 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: and each for Santa Fe student at the school end 217 00:12:53,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: of the building the location I'm staging right now. What's what? Fire? 218 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: More shots fired and snow shots fired? We have several 219 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: shots fired, mostibly one or two rooms in this area 220 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: that we're at. Where are you? Let's stay down there 221 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: for the north side for a more north side sent 222 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: a part of the building. Still have several more shot 223 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: Thanks ay many TV for stantardays when you stall shooting 224 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: the act to shoot several people down. We also need 225 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: flight for Ulster down herefore we got him. Come get 226 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: this bill, get this sigum. You're clear don't get the 227 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: stigum So seven or four, we're coming up the front 228 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: doors fine, to the northwest corner of the complex. We 229 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: need to see his coverage on the outside. We believe 230 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: you barricaded in Stine. We need flop that we're shooting. 231 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: He's in your room. We've got got shots. Fire right now, guys, 232 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: we need off you anybody else Actually I'm talking to 233 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: them now. Well, at least and with my hand. All units, 234 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: all units. There possibly bomber momb somewhere in this area. Wow. 235 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: David Kat's former g E, a active shooter expert. At first, 236 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: they thought it was a pressure cooker bomb, some of 237 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: them did. Anyway, how do you analyze what has happened? Well, 238 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean just you could hear the absolute chaos, which 239 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: is so so common in every one of these incidents. 240 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: But uh, the first and most the most important than 241 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: to realize it is in this particular case, unlike what 242 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: happened in Parkland, the officers went in and confronted the suspect. 243 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: I was down in Houston. This was just I just 244 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: got back to New York last night. I was doing 245 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: that the shooter training for it for one of our 246 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: clients down there, and I was with a bunch of 247 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: Houston cops. One of the resource officers was retired Houston 248 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: cops who presumably took the job as a resource officer 249 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: out there for someone a quiet post law enforcement position. 250 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: And yet this guy on the like what happened in Barklay, 251 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: did not cow with the nut shrink from duty. He 252 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: immediately engaged the suspect, and god knows how many lots 253 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: he saved by doing so. We are talking about the 254 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: tragedy the school shooting. I sent a high school student, 255 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: studied previous mass shootings and used what he learned from 256 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: them in his own massacre. This teen boy lived, so 257 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: many others died. Why it went into the back of 258 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: my head, just right kind of the middle of the 259 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: back of my head, and they came out right here. 260 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: I took off running out the door, and there's some 261 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: full wall out there. Just my dreamine is so high 262 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: that just propelled myself over the wall. Did you know 263 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: about a recent law that could leave your personal data 264 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: exposed online for anybody to find? 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Keep it keeps saying that there are no 289 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: red flex but that's not going to be true in 290 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: this As we go deep with the dustigation, I can 291 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: guarantee with certainty that this guy had had a number 292 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: of fred flegs just a couple of months ago. And 293 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: end of it was under March, the Secret Service at 294 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: least a great report that analyzed actor shooter incident, actually 295 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: mass mass attack incidents more focusing not on the incident 296 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: but on actually on the perpetrators. And one of the 297 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe was the number of of you know, warning signs 298 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: and things that were common in the person who perpetrated 299 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: persons who perpetrated these attacks. One of the things they 300 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: talk about, it's a fascination with prior mass attack incidents. 301 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: This guy evidence that they talk about stresses in their life. 302 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: They talk about a number of things, and they also 303 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: talk about a a personality disorder called aggressive narcissism. And 304 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here 305 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: and say, when you look at this kid, you're going 306 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: to find him to be very very consistent with the profile. 307 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of its kind of going against the reporting 308 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: that's happening now. But there there is no possibility that 309 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: someone was just a normal everyday kid and and somebody 310 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: a warning, particularly the parents. Well what do you make 311 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: of this? To Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst, and 312 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: then to you, Ashley, what do you make of the 313 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: little girl victim that had rejected, as she said, his 314 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: creepy advances just before the shooting, he singled her out 315 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: and shot her dead. M hm m hm. Well, one 316 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: of those things we see with mass shooters is a 317 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: perceived power differential between them and at least one other 318 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: person or the public, And sometimes that relates to a 319 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: recent loss, like they've lost the job, they've lost money, 320 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: they've lost the love relationship, so this could have been 321 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: perceived of as a loss. The other thing we see 322 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: I like the use of the term aggressive narcissism. I 323 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: would use the term malignant narcissist. That's what we use 324 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: in my field. But the narcissist experiences the reactions of 325 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: every betty around them as a slight the diminishment. They 326 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: feel easily insulted um attacked. So when they're turned down, 327 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: even in minor benign ways, they feel deflated and attacked, 328 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: and then they want to go on the attack. So 329 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: my understanding is that this little girl, after she approached 330 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: her relentlessly for four months, she stood up in the 331 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: middle of a class classroom and said, basically, I'm not 332 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: going to go out with you. And to me, that 333 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: could have been the final insult, diminishment, power differential, where 334 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: he just wanted to go back in mow her down 335 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: and everybody else in his past. That little girl, Shanna 336 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: Fish are just absolutely gorgeous. A teen girl. She died 337 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: in the attack, and her parents say she had at 338 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: least four months of problems from this boy. Her father, Timothy, 339 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: says that his daughter Shanna actually predicted the trench coat 340 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: wearing teen shooter would harm her after she rejected him. 341 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: She told her mother two weeks ago, I know this 342 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: guy is gonna come and kill me. I know this 343 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: guy's gonna come and kill me. And if he does, 344 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: if he comes into the school with a gun, I'm 345 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: gonna haunt him the rest of his life. Those were 346 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: the teen girl's words. She was so scared as she 347 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: will cut You have three children a teen went about 348 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: to be a teen. I mean to take rejection. I 349 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: mean I felt rejected every single day of high school. 350 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: I thought everybody felt that way, but this is this 351 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: is so hard to take in and we live in 352 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: a new world, Nancy. So part of my job is 353 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: a juvenile court judges. I have to look at warrants 354 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: to determine if there's probable cause. And a lot of 355 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: the warrants that I see come in now are specifically 356 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: about kids at schools who make threats of shooting people, 357 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: of bringing bombs, of bringing guns to school. And so 358 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: what I've seen repeatedly is number one, it is true 359 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: there are signs with these kids who are making these 360 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: threats and following through with them or not. And this 361 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: is a sure sign. This girl knew in her gut. 362 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: Trust your gut. These kids we need to respect. They 363 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: know what the other kids are like. And so if 364 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: you have a kid ever saying, oh my gosh, this 365 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: person creeps me out, or this person I swear they're 366 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: gonna kill me. They're gonna come to school, they're gonna 367 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: bring a gun, that is something everyone needs to act 368 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: on because it's a whole different world we live in. 369 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: To protect our children, we cannot assume that that's not 370 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna happen anymore. To John Lineley Crime Stories investigative reporter, 371 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: what can you tell about Tell me about this kid, 372 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: this team boy actually planting bombs? Right, he had obviously 373 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: been working on bombs as well. From what police say, 374 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: he hadn't quite perfected this part of his plan. They 375 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: found pieces of bombs both in the school and at 376 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: his home. One of those was a Molotov cocktail. Uh. 377 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: They are still investigating if there are other bombs that 378 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: he possibly planted, and who knows, maybe one of these 379 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: was one that could have done some damage. Luckily, Uh, 380 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: it was the two guns alone that created the carnage 381 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: on Friday. You know, his family describes him as quiet 382 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: and sweet, and apparently he became more and more aggressive 383 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: with the little girl Shanna, until she finally rejected him 384 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: publicly in class, according to the mother. Now what does 385 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: this mean? This romantic rejection seems to take place just 386 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: one week before the attack. I mean, think about it, 387 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, guns, pressure cooker bombs, Molotov cocktails. 388 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: How could his parents not have known what was going on? 389 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: Don't they ever go in his room? Nancy said it best, 390 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: And I'll go back to what the the agent, the 391 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: age agent said as well, when are we going to 392 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: start policing our children. I mean, look, it was ninety 393 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: degrees when this shooting occurred. He leaves the house in 394 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: a trench code, and it seems to be that the 395 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: fallback always is, oh, he was a great kid. But 396 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you if my son left the house 397 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: in ninety degree weather in a trench coat, I'm gonna 398 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: stop him at the door and say where are you going. 399 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: I assure you I checked his bag when he leaves 400 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: for school. I checked his bag when he comes home, 401 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: and he's seventeen. These are things we have to do 402 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: as parents, because at some point we need to start 403 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: holding these parents responsible for what their kids do when 404 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: they go to these schools and they kill this many people. 405 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean there were warning side aimes to davy Kat's 406 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: former d E, a active shooter expert on his Facebook page. Uh, 407 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: but Cort says, shares photos of a black t shirt 408 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: that says born to kill across the front. Other photos 409 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: that were on his page the very same day showed 410 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: dark a dark colored trench coat decked out with the 411 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Nazi iron cross and a Communist hammer and sickle. There 412 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: are photos showing a handgun and a knife on his 413 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: what we believe to be his Instagram account. I mean, 414 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: if my and I prosecuted a lot, a lot of 415 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: gun violence, David, this gun looks evil. It almost looks 416 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: as if it's been spray painted black along with the knife. 417 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: Even the even the the sharp end of the nine 418 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: is black, and other all of the equipment. It looks 419 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: like it's been spray painted black, David Kats What parents 420 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: doesn't know this? I mean, every day when the twins 421 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: come home, I unpack their backpacks. I know what's in there. 422 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: How can you not know your kid it looks like 423 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: they're on a bed also on his bad How can 424 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: you not know your kid has access to automatic weapons? 425 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: Well he had, I don't know. I don't know what 426 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: what's in the house and such. I mean, I've been 427 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: I've been a shooter for over fifty years now, and 428 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: my children know how to handle what this in a 429 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: in a safe and appropriate manner. But in this particular case, 430 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: the the fact that he's displaying that that's fascination with weapons, 431 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: that's an indicator of a of a perpetrator of violent act. 432 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: The fact that he's able to apparently apparently there was 433 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: some offside dead a trailer who was able to go 434 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: to go there and assemble these these um fortunately nonfunctional 435 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: explosion advices. How do you how do you not know? Well, 436 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: you're not engaged with your child. And we see this, 437 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: we see this endemic in the country because you know, 438 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: as your other guests have pointed out, as a parent, 439 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: you need to insert yourself in every aspect of your 440 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: child's life period and the idea. For example, this kid, 441 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: this kid apparently didn't just leave the house of the 442 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: trench coat that day that that was his that was 443 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: his style. I don't know if he was doing that 444 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: to desensitize folks that if you know to the day 445 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: he finally came in with a weapon underneath the coat. 446 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: But that trench coat, that is a that is a 447 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: homage if you will to to the Columbine. If you 448 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: can't look a look at all those warning sides and 449 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: say this kid is has an issue that we need 450 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: to deal with, there's something wrong at all of us. 451 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: You know, this shows me that he knew exactly what 452 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: he was doing and he intended to do it to 453 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall listened to this. A little girl named 454 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: Isabel survived by lying motionless for nearly an hour on 455 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: the floor of a barricaded closet, lying beside dead bodies 456 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: of her classmates, and then sell phone all over the 457 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: classroom start ringing. And this kid, the shooter, is taunting 458 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: the other children who were hiding in the closet by asking, 459 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: do you think the phones for you? You think that's 460 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: for you? You want to come answer it? Then he 461 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: fires bullets into the closet trying to get in. I mean, 462 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing, He intended to do this. 463 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: This That shows his sadism absolutely. And you know, the shooters, 464 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: there's never been one shooter that we've covered or in 465 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: US history that I've known about, who has not written 466 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: about or predicted the crime somewhere. They love to write 467 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: about it before they carry out the crime, so you know, 468 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, it could be UM 469 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: writing in a journal, writing letters to their teachers or 470 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: to the principle. Now it seems to be writing on 471 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: the internet, um showing videos. The preparations for the crime 472 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: is as important to them as the crime itself, because 473 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: what they're planning on doing is having their glory day, 474 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: reversing the power differential, pushing back psychically into the students 475 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: their own feeling of having been bullied and diminished. You've 476 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 1: bullied me, you've diminished me. I'm going to have power 477 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: over you. But but the act of shooting is just 478 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: the kuda gra of something that is usually planned for 479 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: a long, long time. So back to what you're saying. 480 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, the phones are ringing, and he's saying, was 481 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: that for you? Is that for you? He and his 482 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: mind believe he's been bullied by these students. That's the 483 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: state of mind he's in. So now he's bullying them. 484 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: It's it's a reversal of swords. Um. And so when 485 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: you said how could the parents not know? You can 486 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: know it's there. It's it's not. It doesn't take a 487 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: PhD to figure out if somebody's going to go shoot somebody. 488 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: There are very clear indicators, And in my mind, what 489 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: the person writes and puts on their social media is 490 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the easiest way to determine if there's a motivation to 491 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: go kill people. What do we know about this Texas 492 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: shoot or this boy? We know that he played JV football, 493 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: We know that he was on a church dance team. 494 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: We know a lot about him, but we don't know 495 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: how this so called sweet quiet boy ended up causing this. 496 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: She called me, she said, Mom, they're shots, and I 497 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: said what she said? Their shots in the school, and 498 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: she was crying. I turned around and just called it 499 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: all the way to the school and I'm like, are 500 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: we having another false alarm? Like, what's happening? That wasn't 501 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: Obviously it wasn't a false alarm this time. She said, Mom, 502 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: they're shot. I immediately turned around and said, I'm coming, 503 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm coming. I stayed on the phone at the time 504 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: and just kept talking to her, cuts her to stay home, 505 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: stay quiet until the police final let her out. I 506 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: didn't know, what's a thing. I shouldn't been going through this. 507 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: This is my daily life. I didn't not have to 508 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: feel like that, and I was scared to even go by. 509 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: It was nothing I would ever want another person to 510 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: have to see. It was horrible. I looked up between 511 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: the legs of a chair and he locked eyes with me. 512 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: You made eye contact. I did make eye contact with him, 513 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: and he had a he had a face of rage. 514 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: He was mad. Why, I don't know. He first opened 515 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: fire with a shotgun, in which he shot one of 516 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: my other friends in the head and her body fell 517 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: down not too far away from where I was into 518 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: the table. That is when he turned like this and 519 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: opened fire with the revolver. So he had two guns. 520 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: He had too, a sawed off shotgun and then a revolver. 521 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: And uh, students were running around screaming. One kid flipped 522 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: a table up just for cover. Everybody just started running 523 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: outside and next thing you know, everybody looks and you 524 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: hear boom, boom boom, and I just ran. I was like, good, 525 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: our sports so I can hide, and I called my mom. 526 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: What do we know about this boy, the so called 527 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: Santa f a school shooter. We know that he is 528 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: a teen boy. He as a member, was a member 529 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: of the Senate a high school jav football team, a 530 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: member of a dance squad with a local Greek Orthodox 531 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: church in factors the video of him dancing in a 532 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: Greek Orthodox outfit, you know, shortly before the shooting. He's 533 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: described as quiet and unassuming. We know he's an avid 534 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: video game player. He routinely wore a black trench coat 535 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: and black boots to class, but that would have just 536 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: been written off as him being goth. Uh Pogort says 537 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: was really in the video games that simulated war. According 538 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: to his friends, he talked about guns. He talked about firearms, 539 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: and he talked about liking them and wanted to get them, 540 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: But he never really talked about killing people. He would 541 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: sometimes in a room acting a little bit down or sad. 542 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: He never said why. He apparently admits to authorities when 543 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: he opened fire. He did not shoot students. He did 544 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: like so he could have his story told. WHOA so 545 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: he could have his story told? John Linley, Crime Stories, 546 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What more do we know about him? And 547 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: who to whom these guns belong? We know there was 548 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: a shot off, sought off shotgun and a revolver who's 549 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: worth they Well, they did not belong to the shooter himself, 550 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: but they belonged to the father. This is something that 551 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: was first reported in a special news conference from the 552 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: Texas Governor. But sawt off shotguns, I remember the first 553 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: time I prosecuted a case with somebody had a sawed 554 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: off shotgun and I had never seen one. And for 555 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: the rest of my time at the District Attorney's office, 556 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: I kept that sawt off shotgun on a shelf to 557 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: remind me what people are capable of doing. I would 558 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: never have thought to turn that Vincent Hill private Eye 559 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: a shotgun literally saw it off, just not too far 560 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: past the handle. That's illegal, isn't it, Vincent to have 561 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: a sawt off shotgun? Yeah, Nancy, it's illegal. In in in 562 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: my experience, in my police days, it was never used 563 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: for anything good, if you know what I mean. Most 564 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: people that I came across with those were criminals of 565 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: the worst time. So you know, I don't even understand 566 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: why his parents would have a sawt off shotgun inside 567 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: the home. That's another that's another can of worms. You know, 568 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: I wanna jump in you nance did Catcher candidate? It 569 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: could not have been sought off shotgun. I think that's 570 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: being mis report. It was meantin age seventy, probably with 571 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: no stock. So if you're familiar with firearms, you're gonna 572 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: have instead of a stock, you have a pistol grip 573 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: in the rear and a pistol grip and the fore grunt. 574 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: The reason it can't be sought off is a remiconade 575 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: civin the pump shotgun has a tubular magazine, so that's 576 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: where the shells would would actually are loaded. Into if 577 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: you saw that off you know no longer happen magazine, 578 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: So I don't think it was a sold off shot, 579 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: and it's probably was one of these more combat style 580 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: shotguns that are very very common. What we absolutely right? Yeah, yeah, 581 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: I think you guys might be right. Dr Bethany Marshall 582 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: l a pychoanalis. What is all this telling you? Well, 583 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: that he had explosive rage, that he had a fascination 584 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: with guns, which actually there's quite a bit of research 585 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: that indicates that sociopaths tend to because they're very fond 586 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: of guns. They love guns. It's it's sort of like 587 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: a hard object that they attached to. They attached to 588 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: the power of the gun more than they attached to people. Um. 589 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: According to one e er doctor, I read a report 590 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: that he put buck shot in the guns. Your gun 591 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: experts could speak to this better than I could, but 592 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: that because of the buckshot, the there was much more 593 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: deadly forced um when he shot at the students. So 594 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: he really intended to do carnage. It wasn't just to 595 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: have a few clean shots here and there, but true carnage, 596 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: true gore um. The idea that he wanted to spare 597 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: kids he liked so that they could talk about this. 598 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: You know, shooters often want to go down and infamy, 599 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, they want to be famous. There's a grandiose 600 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: component to sociopathy, and this I think is the grandiose piece. 601 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 1: And I think he spared, you know, like just kids 602 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: are in clicks. I think he just spared the popular 603 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: ones because he wanted the popular ones to talk about him. 604 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: He was going to be in the popular circle in 605 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: some twisted kind of way. Okay, that is freaky what 606 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: you're saying right now to John Limley. I've been studying 607 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: and pouring over what his classmates are saying. And a 608 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: kid named Tyler who played football with him for the 609 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: Santa Fe Indians Um the suspect was a defensive tackle 610 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: on the JV team, and he was saying an a 611 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: vigil that he would never have suspected his former teammate 612 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: as being even remotely capable of a mass shooting, that 613 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: he had just been joking with him on a field 614 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: trip to a Galaston water park the day before the massacre. 615 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: The day before the shooting. Yet we know the shooting 616 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: was carefully planned, with all of the pressure cooker bombs 617 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: and getting the guns and the ammunition. We know that 618 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: it was very well planned. So how do I have 619 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: the story straight? John Limley absolutely even his family what 620 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: is an absolute shock over all of this. They have 621 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: said that their son was the sweetest, kindest boy, that 622 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: he was very quiet, that nothing indicated that this was ahead. 623 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: You were talking about Tyler Ray, that football player that 624 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: that knew the poor Cheese family. Well, um, he was 625 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: talking about that field trip, that his friends showed up 626 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: for summer workouts, tried hard even though he wasn't very athletic. 627 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: Apparently he even sort of joked around about the fact 628 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: that he wasn't you know, the world's greatest jock. His 629 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: family Uh came to the games to support him. Uh. 630 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: Though they did have some money problems. They struggled to 631 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: pay for the equipment, but they were very supportive of 632 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: their son. Well, this is another thing we know about him. 633 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: We know about what was found in his home afterwards. 634 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: Listen to the Texas governor describing explosive found at the 635 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: teen boys home and at the school. One was CEO 636 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: two device, Another was a Molotov cocktail. Uh. And there's 637 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: are various other types of explosive devices that have been 638 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: identified both in a home as well as in a vehicle. Wow, okay, 639 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: it was clearly clearly planned. So there's no way, uh, 640 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: and insanity defense is going to work here, Dr Bethany Marshall. 641 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: He may be angry, being angry angry is not a defense. 642 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: He's not insane. He was joking and laughing at a 643 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: water park the day before the day before the massacre 644 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: goes down. Dr Bethany. I mean, you've got to compare 645 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: a start of a dichotomy as it is between what 646 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: the victim, his parents and family are going through right now, 647 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: this minute as we were talking, as compared to claims 648 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: this child, this boy was bullied, or he was quiet, 649 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: or he was different, anger or revenge, being a social 650 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: perceiving yourself as a social outcast is not a defense. 651 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: And remember he was uh, he was on the defense 652 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: on the JV varsity of a j V football team. 653 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: He was very involved at his church on their dance squad. 654 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: This Greek Orthodox church is going to water parks with friends. 655 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: That's not gonna work. Dr Bethany, absolutely not. I mean 656 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: when you he really wore what we call in my 657 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: field the mask of sanity, meaning that he knew how 658 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: to move and operate in society as if he is 659 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: a normal, empathetic person, when in fact he's not. But 660 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's insane. And you can't be schizophrenic 661 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: or bipolar, or have any kind of psychiatric disorder and 662 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: be as collected and methodical as he was. And you know, 663 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: I want to speak to the laughing in the park, 664 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: the water park the day before, and how he seems 665 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: so friendly and engaged. He was in a state of 666 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: relief because he knew he was going to do this. 667 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: One of the things we know about something called catifinement 668 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: comicide is that while the person is methodically planning the crime, 669 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: they feel a great sense of relief and excitement because 670 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: they're finally going to do it. And that phase last 671 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: after the commission of the crime up to six to 672 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: nine months. So they'll come to court, maybe they'll you know, 673 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: feigned solemnity or to kind of look quiet, but usually 674 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: they're quite relieved that they were able to do it 675 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: because they are in a state of paranoid distress. They 676 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: feel that the world has wronged them and that feeling 677 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: is unbearable to them at a pathological level. You and 678 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: I cannot understand. And once they have straightened everybody out, 679 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh they are so so happy and so relieved, So 680 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: no wonder they joked the day before and the day 681 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: after that. That's just the sign of how disturbed they are. Well, 682 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: I want you to listen. In the last hours you 683 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: mentioned court, they center fe Texas school shooter who claimed 684 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: he didn't have the courage to go through with this 685 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: plan to kill himself after he killed ten others, including 686 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: a hero teacher. He makes his first court appearance. Listen, 687 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: and you have been charged with um aggregated assault against 688 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: the public servant. I'm denying your mind on both charges. 689 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: You have the right pertained counsel. You have the right 690 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: remain silent. You have the right to have an attorney 691 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: present during interviews and peace officers or attorneys representing the state. 692 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: You have the right to terminate that interview at anytime. 693 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: You have the right request appointment of counsel if you're 694 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: intogent and cannot off You have the right to examining trial. 695 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: You're not required to make a statement. Any statement made 696 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: by you may be used against too. Are you a 697 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: citizen the United States? Are you a citizen of the 698 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: United States? Are you requesting consideration for a court a 699 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: point of attorney? Yes? Are you out on bond for 700 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: any other charge? I'm going to ask you to sign 701 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: the front page, which is just technology that are Reggie 702 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: rights this afternoon. You're not entering a plea today. Thanks. Yeah, 703 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you signed a second time requesting consideration 704 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: to be appointed a quarter point attorney, and a third 705 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: time saying that you'll keep your appointments and tell us 706 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: if you change your dresser phone number. Excuse just one 707 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: more time right here, police saying that you're requesting that 708 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: quarter point attorney. People going to application? Howdah? Yeah, Jeff, Sorry, 709 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: today's fund of him? Next my note plenty to drive 710 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: over again? Unt need to do it over again? All right? 711 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: The any questions? All right? When we were finished, they're 712 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: gonna work on the application of the layer. Okay. The 713 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: massacre that unfolded early Friday morning at a Santa Fe 714 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: High school gun ended up gunning down eight students and 715 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: two teachers. Listen to this. The shooting was the one 716 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: hundred and first mass shooting overall in two thousand eighteen alone. 717 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is that statistic correct? David Kat's former g e. 718 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: A active shooter expert, A hundred and one already and 719 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: we're only in month five. Well, I mean, I think 720 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: that you have to look at what they're defining act 721 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: the mass shooting as you have to you would exclude, 722 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 1: for example, murder suicide. I mean, that's that number seems 723 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: enormously high, only because the FBI study that covered was 724 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: interdenced between the years two thousand. They're only a hundred 725 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: and sixty incidents to find this active shooting incidents in 726 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: that whole period. So the frequency is definitely going up there, 727 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But this is the new reality. 728 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: Whether whether most numbers are accurate or not, they're going 729 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: to be increasing. And it's seem to itself the endemic 730 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: in our society because if you look, you know, the 731 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: firearms have been available throughout my lifetime. The Air fifteen rifle, 732 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: by the way, not used in this case, but that's 733 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: been available in from delete nineteen fifties. What is it 734 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: that's driving people now to act in these horrifically violent 735 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: manners that didn't before. I'm I'm assuming that people had 736 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: psychological issues throughout their lives, but we have some some 737 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: something going on in our society that I can't even 738 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: give to understand. I agree with you, David Cats, and 739 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: I have some ideas about what the problem is. Who 740 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: are the victims in this case? We have eight students 741 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: and two substitute teachers. Teachers that happened to be called 742 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: in man, you happen to get called in the day 743 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: of the school shooting. First of all, teen girl Sabeka 744 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: seek a Pakistani exchange student part of the Yes program 745 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: for scholarships to high school countries populations that are majority Muslim. 746 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: She was set to come home in just a few weeks. 747 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: Chris Stone, a junior. If you could see the picture 748 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: of him in his tuxedo standing beside beside an old tractor, 749 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart. His face, his big smile 750 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: on it. A junior. His family had been searching local 751 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: hospitals for him. Shortly after the shooting on Friday, Just 752 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: the most beautiful boy. Ann Parkins, the substitute teacher at 753 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: Santa Fe High she was the local gymnastics club where 754 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: her daughter is a member, posted the announcement on his 755 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: Facebook page on Friday, and I'm looking at the photos 756 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: of her. She was beloved. Uh, just beauty, fold had children, grandchildren, 757 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: loved students, loved traveling, love and family. And she said 758 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: she liked a sip of champagne every once in a while. Oh, 759 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: she looks like she's so happy. Angelique Ramirez got a 760 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: picture of her with like a daisy in her hair. 761 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: Oh God, she's so pretty. This team girl, Angelique. Cynthia Tisdale, 762 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: also a substitute teacher. I'm looking at her photo standing 763 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,240 Speaker 1: arm in arm. My goodness, it looks like with her husband, 764 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,879 Speaker 1: Aaron Kyle McLoyd, a student at Santa Fe High. I'm 765 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: looking at him. Looks like he's out driving a car 766 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: for the first time in this photo. Kimberly Jessica Vaughn, 767 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: she's pictured here, looks like with her mom, kind of 768 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: hiding behind her mom. She's wearing glass is and has 769 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: a ponytail and kind of a shy smile on her face. 770 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,760 Speaker 1: Her mother initially read online she was having trouble finding 771 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,320 Speaker 1: her daughter, and then later it was confirmed her daughter, 772 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: Kimberly Jessica was dead. Jared Connor Black, just seventeen, a 773 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: student at Santa Fe. I'm looking at his photo. Is 774 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: just the whole world in front of him. Here's Shanna Fisher, 775 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: the little girl that the gunman had fallen for and 776 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: she rejected him. Christian Riley Garcia. 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