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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On this episode, we

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Speaker 1: are going to be talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's reaction to

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Speaker 1: the California wildfires. Do you guys remember the octomom We'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about her. Of course, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: into Luigi Mangioni's sex tapes, a circumcision that has gone wrong,

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Speaker 1: and a woman who is raising a doll with her baby.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started with the celebrity news.

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Speaker 2: All right, First, let's get into this story about Gwyneth Paltrow.

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Speaker 2: So she went on a podcast earlier this week to

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Speaker 2: discuss that during the LA wildfires in January, she was

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Speaker 2: drinking pretty much every single night, where normally she only

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Speaker 2: will have a drink once a week. Because of this,

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Speaker 2: her menopause symptoms were getting out of control. How old

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Speaker 1: I think she's fifty two, Okay, So that's actually amazing

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Speaker 1: because that's the age they say that women go through menopause.

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Speaker 1: Although I feel like I'm already going through it since

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Speaker 1: I've been forty four, so I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But when I went to the doctor with all these

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Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, cool, yeah, really nice. It's

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Speaker 2: like when you go to the neeralogist for migraines and

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, unfortunately, you're just gonna have this till

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Speaker 2: you have menopause, and I'm like, cool, I'm twenty three

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Speaker 2: at this appointment. It's at least I know what decade.

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Speaker 1: There was a point where I was going to the

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Speaker 1: migraine doctor and they were telling me that and it

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Speaker 1: seemed really far away. And now it's here and it

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Speaker 1: didn't really take.

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Speaker 2: That long to get here. So that's great, it's coming

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: But some of the symptoms, for those of you who

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm sure many of you listening go through

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Speaker 1: this stuff, with the hot flashes, night sweats, loss of

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Speaker 1: black at her control, and the mood changes are I

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Speaker 1: just see these hilarious memes on Instagram that are like,

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Speaker 1: do you hate your husband? Well, maybe you don't, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just menopause. It's just fucking so funny. But one

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Speaker 1: of them is forgetfulness and brain fog, which is a

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Speaker 1: real thing, and It was really funny because when we

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Speaker 1: were at crime Con, I was talking to Kelly before

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Speaker 1: we were getting ready to go on stage, and I

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Speaker 1: said to her, I swear to God, I don't know

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Speaker 2: She's like, how old are you?

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Speaker 1: And I was like forty five or forty four, however

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Speaker 1: She's like, it's this menopause thing. And so when I

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Speaker 1: went right on stage, I said that before I even

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Speaker 1: I'm just having this thing going on right now. So

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Speaker 1: she really helped me out with that, which was good

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Speaker 1: to let you know.

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Speaker 2: That it's normal.

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Speaker 1: But I guess what happened was during the wildfires, Gwyneth

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Speaker 1: Paltrow was getting so stressed out, which I don't think

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Speaker 1: it directly affected her because at the time I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry you grow up in

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Speaker 1: It's devastating to everybody watching it. I mean, especially people

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Speaker 1: that are directly affected. But it's upsetting to everyone, right, No,

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Speaker 1: of course, so she said she started drinking a lot,

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Speaker 1: to just try to get through the stress. And believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, alcohol can exacerbate menopause symptoms, and that's

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Speaker 2: It just sucks too, because, especially if you've gone a

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Speaker 2: You know, not that we certainly don't encourage drinking every day,

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Speaker 2: And then the only type of stress release you have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it and like menopause symptoms just suck. It's the

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Speaker 1: like it could increase the risk of osteoporosis and heart

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Speaker 1: disease even more. And also one thing I noticed that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move on to the story about

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Speaker 2: octomom so. Back in two thousand and nine, Octomom aka

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Speaker 2: Nadia Soulman. She already had six kids and she went

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Speaker 2: his fertility treatments done, and I guess the standard practice

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Speaker 2: with eight babies, hence the nickname Octomom. So now she

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Speaker 2: definitely doesn't have any regrets about now having fourteen children,

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Speaker 2: but she does wish that she would have sued the

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Speaker 1: All right, let's try to break this down exactly what happened,

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Speaker 1: because I remember it happening. But then I was I thought, like,

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Speaker 1: Not really sure. But regardless, like this guy that was

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Speaker 1: So what happens is when they when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: Case, they put in twelve and eight of them ended

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Speaker 1: She it doesn't appear that she was like, hey, look

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Speaker 2: So she madeor hip a violet. It is.

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Speaker 1: So she do the hospital and was able to be

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Speaker 2: But yeah, because also she wasn't Yes, she was intending

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Speaker 2: It was out of control. Yeah, it looks it looks

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Speaker 2: So I'm curious too why they kept having her make

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that was done to her consent

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Speaker 1: This is this is a story everyone's talking about online.

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Speaker 2: New weird twist in the Luigi manngio Ani case is

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Speaker 2: at least over twenty sex tapes. So where are these

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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about before how there's just a

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Speaker 1: This is like the weirdest fucking phenomenon ever. When they

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Speaker 1: it's just so weird. I know that back in the

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Speaker 2: Ever, I'm sorry, I'm gonna stick by my argument that

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Speaker 2: he was handsome by nineteen seventy. Nobody's saying he's like

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see a picture of Elvis like he was.

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Speaker 2: Because even back then they had VIP treatment, Like if

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Speaker 2: did their hair nice, did you know? Yes? All right, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Thing is is that in this case, and I've said

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Speaker 2: I will I will not argue with that.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well I do, actually, but I don't

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Speaker 1: come on, let's talk about let's talk about that video

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Speaker 1: I sent you on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: The one of so this guy did this hilarious? I

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Speaker 1: in our messages, this guy did this thing making fun

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Speaker 1: It just was so it was so funny because it's true,

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I can. I think he's an incredibly

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Speaker 2: why would you go through all of that? But at

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Speaker 2: Oct anybody threats? I know it's right.

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Speaker 1: But like there's where it ends. I don't even care.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who would ever like make death threats

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Speaker 2: I don't know. She must have had money at some point,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe he was trying to do experimental treatments

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Speaker 2: and she got it for free. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I was the whole time I'm thinking about this, I'm

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Speaker 2: like all of her kids were can see via IVF.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, it was two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 2: but it was still expensive back then. So let's say

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Speaker 2: it's like ten grand per kid back then, that's a

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Speaker 2: lot of money to have children. Well, maybe the dude

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Speaker 2: had money or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: By getting back to Luigi, I'm like really looking forward

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Speaker 1: to a forensic psychologist or psychiatrist, like going on the

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Speaker 1: stand and talking about him.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say you're really looking

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Speaker 2: forward to the tapes coming to Like, oh, I want

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Speaker 2: to Actually I was going to search for them later.

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Speaker 1: I was one if That's why I asked you where

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Speaker 1: they were, because I was going to go to like

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Speaker 1: Reddit right after this and look them up. No, but

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Speaker 1: like I am interested because he has like this weird

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Speaker 1: you're saying, like he's doing porn, but then he's scared

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Speaker 1: about porn's he has money and has no connection to

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Speaker 1: the healthcare field, but then he did this this act.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a very interesting way that he acts.

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Speaker 1: So I am looking forward to getting into the mind

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Speaker 1: of Luigi.

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Speaker 1: We are working right now on Ruby Frank. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: But we are working on a Ruby Frank one. So

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Speaker 1: for those of you listening who want to read our

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Speaker 2: You want to make. What is the show that you've

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Speaker 2: been watching? I think hulu documentary is called The Devil

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Speaker 2: in the Family. It just came out, but it's like

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Speaker 2: it's on Hulu, It's front page on Hulu. But I

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Speaker 2: am deep in the research on this one, and I

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Speaker 2: am repulsed and disgusted. I had no idea how horrific

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Speaker 2: this really was. Of course they're blaming COVID and the

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Speaker 2: pandemic and their religion. It's like, you will even believe

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Speaker 2: where this goes. And I'm sorry, but like the husband,

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Speaker 2: he's guilty too. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's I've thought that from the beginning too so,

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Speaker 1: And just to summarize that case really quick for those

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Speaker 1: of you who aren't familiar, it was this woman who

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Speaker 1: was a YouTube influencer that was abusing her kids.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, there's a lot more to the story

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Speaker 2: like that. She was also LIKEX but yeah, she was also.

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Speaker 1: Like a like a family influencer. It's not like she

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Speaker 1: was doing something else. It was like she was trying

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Speaker 1: to tell other people how to be a good parent.

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Speaker 1: And then it's really disturbing. We also have a really

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into medical news.

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Speaker 2: A new study has come out and revealed that bacterial

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Speaker 2: vaginosis can be passed to women by male sexual partners.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is really interesting and for actually, I

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Speaker 1: think that I wanted to talk about this because most

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Speaker 1: of you have probably had BEV at some point in

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Speaker 1: your life. Just because you're a woman, you have a vagina,

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Speaker 1: you have sex like this, things could happen right and

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Speaker 1: it Unfortunately, it could cause an unpleasant smell sometimes they

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Speaker 1: say it's like a fishy smelling discharge. And it also

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Speaker 1: could cause some problems with miscarriage, premature birth, and infertility.

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Speaker 1: So it is important if you think that you have

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Speaker 1: that going on, to go to the doctor and get

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Speaker 1: it checked because you could just get antibiotics to help it.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately a lot of women have this and they

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Speaker 1: don't even know it because they don't get any of

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Speaker 1: those symptoms. Like obviously, if you're smelling something fishy down there,

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Speaker 1: you're going to usually go to the doctor and get

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Speaker 1: it taken care of, but there might be other things

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Speaker 1: that you're kind of like, it's a little red or itchy,

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Speaker 1: but you're not really sure. So what happens is is

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Speaker 1: that there's this normal bacteria that's down there and it's

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Speaker 1: a fine balance. And this is why they always say

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Speaker 1: the vagina is like a self cleaning oven. Don't touch it,

526
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Speaker 1: don't put douche in it. Especially even perfumes are anything.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to mess up that balance because if

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Speaker 1: you do, then the good bacteria becomes less and the

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Speaker 1: bad bacteria becomes more and that causes bacterial vaginosis.

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Speaker 2: So in the.

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Speaker 1: Past they've said, even though having sex is considered a

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Speaker 1: risk factor for bacterial vaginosis, they've never said that it's

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Speaker 1: a sexually transmitted infection.

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Speaker 2: They just act like it's on the woman alone.

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Speaker 1: And now they did this study where they took two

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Speaker 1: groups of monogamous heterosexual couples that had bacterial vaginosis.

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Speaker 2: So there was.

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Speaker 1: Eighty one women and men in one group, eighty three

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Speaker 1: women and men in the other group. One group, both

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Speaker 1: the couple, the woman and the man was given oral

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Speaker 1: and topical antibiotics, and in the other group it was

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Speaker 1: only the women given the antibiotics, so this is like

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Speaker 1: a pretty large group of people to be able to

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Speaker 1: monitor what's going on with this.

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Speaker 2: And they found that the.

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Speaker 1: Women, where the men and the women were both being treated,

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Speaker 1: there was less of a reoccurrence of bacterial vaginosis, like

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Speaker 1: a significant amount less. And they the women also significantly

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Speaker 1: took a longer time to get BV again, so they're saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you get BV, you really should get your partner

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Speaker 1: to get tested for it. Well, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they would even need to get tested for it, just

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Speaker 1: treated for it, and that would be make it less

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Speaker 1: likely for it to reoccur. I think this is I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they'll do more studies before they make this word,

556
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Speaker 1: but this is really important because people have issues with

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Speaker 1: this and you're like, oh cool the whole time. If

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Speaker 1: the guy just got treated too, it just makes sense

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Speaker 1: because you're just you're having sex. You could pass it

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Speaker 1: back and forth to each other. You could do the

561
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Speaker 1: same thing with a yeast infection, so it just kind

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Speaker 1: of makes sense. I'm surprised it's taken this long, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say that because it's pretty common, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this article is saying that it could affect

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Speaker 2: up to one third of reproductive age women. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's common, but like most women don't want to sit

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Speaker 1: there and be like, my badge smells like fish.

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Speaker 2: So well, I was gonna I was just about to

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Speaker 2: ask you this too. When they're conducting a study like this,

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Speaker 2: they're putting an ad out there obviously and being like,

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Speaker 2: we're doing this study. Who wants to participate? It is?

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Speaker 2: It is very interesting? I'm thinking that. So let's say you.

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Speaker 1: Go to the gynecologist and you say you get diagnosed

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Speaker 1: with BB. It might be the gynocologist can't approach the

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Speaker 1: patient and say, hey, we're doing a study, would you

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Speaker 1: be interested in taking part in it? That's because it

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Speaker 1: both both the women in both cases were treated throughout

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Speaker 1: the study, so you're getting treated anyway. So they would

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Speaker 1: say because they'll pay. I mean, sometimes it's good. They'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you and your husband come in once a week

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Speaker 1: and you just document this stuff, we'll pay you a

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Speaker 1: couple hundred dollars. Like people want to do it. There's

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Speaker 1: no harm in it if they if people want to

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Speaker 1: do it, so that's probably how they're getting the patients

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Speaker 1: is when they're getting diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming they.

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Speaker 1: Might have ads out too, But see when they're doing

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Speaker 1: studies like that, they want to control the medications and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So if you just find this ad and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've been on antibiotics for two days from this doctor, like,

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Speaker 1: they might not. They might want it all under one

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Speaker 1: roof because that's how you know, you get legitimacy with

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Speaker 1: the study and everything. So I'm not exactly sure how

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Speaker 1: they because it's it's a lot of people that they found.

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Speaker 2: Over are they even recruiting these people?

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Speaker 1: Well, because because women get it all the time, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: You can have it.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of times they say it's just from

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Speaker 1: like multiple sexual partners and this and that, and it's

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Speaker 1: like we used to call it in school. This is

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Speaker 1: really funny. When we were going to pa school, one

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Speaker 1: of my my classmates started having with this new guy

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Speaker 1: and then she had she was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting like that weird ish And then we were

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Speaker 1: all talking about it one day and we called it

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Speaker 1: enz or new cock.

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Speaker 2: We used to be like n C.

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Speaker 1: And in fact we called her boyfriend and who's now

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Speaker 1: her husband at the time, we called him en c

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Speaker 1: like the entire time we were in school.

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Speaker 2: It was so funny, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It was because it's like a thing like any woman

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Speaker 1: could sit there and say, like, you get like a

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Speaker 1: little bit different down there when you're introducing new things.

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Speaker 1: So I think that, I think it's really cool, and

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Speaker 1: I guess it's Technically, I still wouldn't consider it to

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Speaker 1: be like a sexually transmitted infection because they still have

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Speaker 1: to do studies to make sure that if I guess,

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Speaker 1: if a guy is having sex outside of the relationship

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Speaker 1: and then bringing it back and things like that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't see that it would be any different. But

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Speaker 1: it's now it's proven that it's going back and forth,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. In Somalia, this boy was taken the

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Speaker 2: get a circumcision. He was only seven days old and

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Speaker 2: this is a common practice in East Africa, so not

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Speaker 2: unusual that he'd be getting it done. But the surgeon

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Speaker 2: that they hired to do this was pretty inexperienced. He

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Speaker 2: ended up watching the procedure and then the boy's penis

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Speaker 2: had to be amputated as a result. God, I hate

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Speaker 2: hearing this. It's so sad. Well, it's just preventable, you know,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to think they do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm anti circumcision. I wouldn't get it done if I

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Speaker 1: had a boy, but I know that people do. I

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Speaker 1: know people do it for religious reasons and it's done

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Speaker 1: all the time with no complications at all.

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Speaker 2: In this case.

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Speaker 1: This is and not to say that that couldn't happen

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Speaker 1: in America, because it surely could. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: he was using a cautery tool to do it, and

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Speaker 1: that is not recommended to be used, just because a

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Speaker 1: baby has like this, very very sensitive immature skin that

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Speaker 1: is very it's just very fragile and easy to damage.

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Speaker 1: So a cautery is what we call like a hot knife.

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Speaker 1: It uses heat to cut the skin instead of actual

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Speaker 1: like a cold knife, which would be a scalpel blade.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, he burned the skin and the head of

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Speaker 1: the penis so bad that it had to be removed.

651
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: It killed the tip of his penis. It turned black

652
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: and he had to have it amputated, and then he

653
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: had to further keep getting amputations. It just so terrible,

654
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and then it got to the point where it was

655
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: starting to get so scarred up and stuff. They had

656
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: to put a catheter inside of his urethra to make

657
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: sure his urethra didn't close shut, and luckily they were

658
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: able to prevent any further narrowing of that. But he's

659
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: essentially left looking like a female at this point. He

660
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: has no penis, and just imagine being a parent of

661
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: a child and having to go through that. Not that

662
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: it's everything, but it's definitely a lot of things. So

663
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: it's just a lot to go through, and we didn't.

664
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So we had a case. I don't know if we

665
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: reported on this podcast or when we were doing it

666
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: in the gross room, but there was another case of

667
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: a circumcision happening. But that was in Florida, remember it

668
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: was It was done in by some doctor who.

669
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: I think it was on here.

670
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it was too and the and the

671
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: practice had to end up paying the family one hundred

672
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: million dollars because they their son had to get his

673
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: penis amputated.

674
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: I feel like it was because I feel like the

675
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: clip we posted was like really controversial, like people were

676
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: freaking out and it was.

677
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: So that happened back in twenty and twenty one. Yeah,

678
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: because remember that guy was a guynecologist and he just

679
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: had a patient that died after childbirth and then he

680
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: did this. I believe he did it at home or something.

681
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: It was like a really weird thing. Yeah, so yeah,

682
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: we talked about that on here. We have a couple

683
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: cases in the grossroom, two of a ritual ones circumcisions

684
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: on boys as well as female circumcisions. So if you

685
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: just go to the grocerroom and type in circumcision, you

686
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: could see all of those cases as well. And I

687
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: think it's more disturbing to see the pictures of it

688
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: because you're just like, oh my god, this is the family,

689
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: the kids. It's just it's just like their's life is

690
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: just so hard, just having like another thing on top

691
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: of it.

692
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: It's just terrible. Yeah, all right. In the UK, this

693
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: woman gave birth to a baby girl when she was

694
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: seventeen years old, and as her baby started getting older,

695
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: she realized she really missed the infant phase. So that's

696
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: when she decided to buy a baby doll and raise

697
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: the real baby and the baby doll together. This is

698
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: just so weird.

699
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: This whole entire I'm like really interested in it, This

700
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: whole entire culture of these reborn dolls. They're like twenty

701
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: five grand something.

702
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: I know.

703
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: That to me is outraged. I mean, they look really

704
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: good and if somebody's making them, they definitely should be

705
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: charging that much money for them, because apparently they feel real,

706
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: like they're eyes, like they just look like real humans

707
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: and feel like real humans. But remember we had a

708
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: story back in September when we were talking about a

709
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: woman that had these dolls and would like breastfeed them.

710
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they said, that's pretty common in the community.

711
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: And you know, you must be asking, like, what is

712
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: the purpose of a twenty five thousand dollars baby doll?

713
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: Most commonly it's bought by women who experience like a

714
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: baby that does or they have miscarriages, or they're dealing

715
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: with infertility or something.

716
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Or like they said in the article as well, that

717
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: women are buying these dolls because they simply cannot afford

718
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: to have real children. Now, and listen, I get that,

719
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: because kids cost a shit ton of money, But.

720
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: Twenty five thousand dollars for a doll compared to raising

721
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: a kid, I mean, I'm not saying that having children

722
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: is not expended, and it's definitely like.

723
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: You could do it a lot cheaper than if you

724
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: if you had your kid and you were at home

725
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: and you were feeding them like cheaper food and sending

726
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: them to public school and things like that, it would

727
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: take a while to add up to twenty five thousand dollars.

728
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Really, that's what I'm saying.

729
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: And like, if you're so you eat, if you breast

730
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: feed the kid for the first two years, and like

731
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: they're not they're just eating.

732
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: They don't really eat that much.

733
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Like my kids are like ten and eleven, they still

734
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: don't really eat that much. They could just, you know,

735
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: they could share an adult portion for the cells and stuff.

736
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like it definitely costs money to have kids.

737
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: But if you're putting out that much for a fake

738
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: doll and you're not getting in return like what children

739
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: bring to you, I don't know. I just think it's

740
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I just think this is fucking weird.

741
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: I think it's unusual. I even think it's weird if

742
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: you have a loss.

743
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: I just think like whatever people could do them, I

744
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: just personally think it's like it's.

745
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: It's just a little weird to me. Yeah, and they

746
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: were asking nicking your tit in a doll's mouth. No,

747
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: that's that's taking it too far. I understand getting the

748
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: doll made if you have I can't even imagine the

749
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: tragedy of having a baby that dies you're having a miscarriage.

750
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: I really can't imagine it.

751
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: I understand can either give it like that situation, I

752
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: don't think. I just can't see how that really helps.

753
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: Sticking your tit in a doll is just like inappropriate

754
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: and crossing a line. I just I can't be on

755
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: board with that. And then they were asking her if

756
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: they thought her real child was gonna be jealous of

757
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: the baby, and she was like, well, obviously I prioritize

758
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: the time with the real child. Why did do you

759
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: even get the baby doll? It's so weird.

760
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: It's weird, And listen, I get that, Like I look

761
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: back at pictures of the kids when they were babies,

762
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, they were so cute, and I'm

763
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: never gonna get that time back.

764
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: But I never like feel like I need to get

765
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: it back though that much.

766
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like why these two cycles on and

767
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: you have grandkids or your friends have kids or whatever.

768
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Like it's different with you too, because when I eventually

769
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 2: have kids, you'll still be pretty young. So like you'll

770
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: get you'll have access to a baby pretty.

771
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Much like it's going to be the best baby because

772
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I could give it back exactly.

773
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.

774
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: Every Friday at the at mother Knows Death Instagram account,

775
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: you guys get head over to our story and ask

776
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: us a question. First, how frequent have you seen metastatic

777
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: breast cancer in autopsy? Is it a death sentence so

778
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: believe it or not.

779
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it a whole lot in autopsy because

780
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the times people know their family member

781
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: is having stage four cancer and they just don't want

782
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: to get an autopsy because they know why they died.

783
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: So it's it's crazy because you would think so many

784
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: people die from this, But we don't do a lot

785
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: of autopsy on stage four cancers. Not that I haven't

786
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: seen it, because I surely have, but just not a lot.

787
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I have, however, seen a lot of biopsies hip bones

788
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: and things like that have metastatic cancer lymph nodes and

789
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: like that, even in the brain. So it definitely does happen,

790
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: and there's a need for it in the surgical pathology

791
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: department for sure. Breast cancer, right now they're saying that

792
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: the five year survival rate with stage four cancer is

793
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty two percent. So that's a horrible

794
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: percentage if you have stage four breast cancer, but it's

795
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: also pretty I would say it's pretty high considering stage

796
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: four is the end. They can't get any worse, so

797
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: they have a lot of treatment. I think one of

798
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: the benefits to having if there is a benefit to

799
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: having breast cancer, is it's the most researched and funded

800
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: cancer ever, so they I just think that the treatments

801
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: and the way that they're discovering how the genes are

802
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: working with everything, and the hormones and the drugs that

803
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: they're able to give people are increasing people's lives because

804
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: it used to be a death sentence, but now it's

805
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: it's people are living with it. So if that's happening

806
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: with you, I'm sorry, but I think that that's still

807
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: a good percentage that it leaves.

808
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: Hope all right too. As a PA, do you ever

809
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: have to assist with organ transplant retrieval and or prep

810
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: so Oregon transplants retrieval?

811
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: Not really, I've so in a PA in the hospital,

812
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: I was doing surgical pathology and autopsy. So in surgical pathology,

813
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: we're very involved with the process of organ donation because

814
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: we have the process the biopsies to make sure the

815
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: organs are good enough to transplant into people. So as

816
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: far as a PA in surgical pathology, we're very involved

817
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: with that. We don't do the especially live procurement, because

818
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: that's done on the floor. That's not done in the morgue.

819
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: There's been times where they come and do like cornea

820
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: retrieval and things like that, but that's not anything that

821
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: we do that at least where I've worked that the

822
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: people that the PAS that are doing the autopsies would do.

823
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I've had some instances where PA friends of mine have

824
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: had side gigs working for organ retrieval services like that,

825
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: but that's another company or another process that usually comes

826
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: in before the autopsy gets done to take corne as

827
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: for example like that. But I have done autopsies where

828
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: people have had their donated organs and bones and skin.

829
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes you'll look at a patient and their whole

830
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: entire piece of skin off of their back is missing

831
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: because they donate their skin, or there's PVC pipes in

832
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: their legs because their bones were donated, but that's not anything.

833
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: That we actually do. We just see the after effects

834
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: of it.

835
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Right.

836
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: Last, what is your cat's name? And do I have

837
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: any pits? I do not have any pets.

838
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: My cat's name is Thumbkin because she has thumbs of polydactylely.

839
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Any animal that has gone through the Ane Jemmy

840
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: household has had some type of medical name, starting with

841
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: our black cat Rudy. Yeah, Rudy was good, but we

842
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: had to get rid of him because of the apartment unfortunately,

843
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: short for Rudolph, Ludwig for cow. He was a cute cat. Yeah,

844
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: and then you had the lizard. What was the lizard's

845
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: name with cirrhosis. Yeah. The cat's names thumpkin, but we

846
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: really just call her kitty. Yeah, we call her baby

847
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: kitty kitty. But yeah, And I don't have pets and

848
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: I never will. So Maria is not an animal person.

849
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not really either, like just some animals

850
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: and just one, although I try. I just recently adopted

851
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: a cat. This was I don't know if I told

852
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: you guys this story. I adopted a cat.

853
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: Maybe what was that six months ago now or more?

854
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 2: It was a year ago now, probably.

855
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: And she was a special needs cat. She was so cute,

856
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: she was missing an eye and a leg, and but

857
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: she came from a history of abuse, which was very clear.

858
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Once she started living in our house, and she was

859
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: fine with us. We had her separated, you know, we

860
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: did the whole I watched the Jackson Galaxy videos and

861
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: did the whole separation for a month between them and

862
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: slowly introduced them and everything. But and I thought, just

863
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: making an assumption beforehand, that my cat was gonna be

864
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: the one that was like, you're in my terror yes,

865
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: like you're in my territory.

866
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: Who the f for you?

867
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna like scratch your eyes out. And this cat

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Speaker 1: terrorized my cat so bad. I couldn't even believe it

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Speaker 1: because she was so like sweet and innocent and quiet

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Speaker 1: then we would we would just like walk out of

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Speaker 1: the room or something, and she chased my cat and

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Speaker 1: like attacked her, beat the crap out of her. And

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, I called everybody at the adoption

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Speaker 1: place and just tried to figure it out. And it

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Speaker 1: became a point that my cat was becoming stressed from it.

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Speaker 1: She stopped eating and she lost some weight and her hair.

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Speaker 1: It just and I just was like, I'm sorry she

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Speaker 1: was here first, like I can't do this anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I felt terrible about that. But I'm hoping that she

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Speaker 1: because her foster mom really seemed like she was attached

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Speaker 1: to her. She had her for for like two years

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Speaker 1: or something. So I hope that she just went back

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Speaker 1: with her and stayed with her because she seems she

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Speaker 1: was that the cat was living with the foster mom

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Speaker 1: and there was dogs in the house and she was

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Speaker 1: completely fine with that. And I don't know, like cat

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Speaker 1: psychology and stuff, I just I don't Maybe I just

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Speaker 1: don't particularly think that our kittie was. She was curious, right,

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Speaker 1: like she seemed to be trying to make friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely thought Thumpkin was gonna be the aggressor too.

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Speaker 2: But then the first when you saw the fights starting

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Speaker 2: Peggy her name was, she would hide under the couch

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Speaker 2: and like full blown attack Thumpkin when she was just

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Speaker 2: trying to walk by, and it just got.

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Speaker 1: Bad and it was stressing Peggy out too. She was

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Speaker 1: get she was like losing chunks of her hair.

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Speaker 2: And you don't have that, and that was we.

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Speaker 1: Were only doing it really because I think we had

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Speaker 1: them separated for a while, almost a month, and then

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Speaker 1: we started introducing them and it was like it just

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Speaker 1: wasn't happening, like, and you.

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Speaker 2: Don't have the type of house where they could have

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Speaker 2: just like lived in separate areas. Your house and it's

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Speaker 2: small and everything's on top of each other.

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Speaker 1: And I was scared, like we're home all the time mostly,

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Speaker 1: but I was scared that if I left the house

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Speaker 1: that they were going to really hurt each other. And

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Speaker 1: that's not cool to put them in a stressful life

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Speaker 1: like that.

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