1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: I Am all in Again. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: Hello, that's just you. I am all in again with 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am All in Again podcast, one 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of them productions. iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts. We are going 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: to recap season two, episode twenty one, Lorealized graduation day 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: with Shelley Cole. Hello, Shelley, how you doing? Thanks for 8 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: coming back on. 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: Oh I love this. 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: You know everybody knows she is Madeline and Chilton student 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: Paris Keller's minion. Shelley calls back to recap with Us 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: season two episode twenty one. We had John recap season 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: one episode eight earlier, but a lot has changed since then. Okay, 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: let's get into this. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Okay. I love coming on this show because I really 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: I don't watch the episodes, and so when I do 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: get an opportunity to come on the show, I'm like, Okay, 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch this episode. So I watched it last 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: night and I took copious notes. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, good, I didn't. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do all the talking. 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: You do all the talking. Synopsis. Lorealize graduating from community 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: college and Rory convinces her to don the old kap 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: and gown for the commencement ceremony. Meanwhile, Roy takes a 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: spontaneous and curious trip to New York City to meet 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: who who? Did she meet Jess? But on our way home, 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: she runs some traffic and could delay her arrival at 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: the big graduation event directed by Jamie Babbitt, written by 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Daniel Peladino. You know lrelized Crammin for that right heat 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: her finals. She's got a final business school at the 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: community college. Roy tries to Convincerr the diploma will be 32 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: worth it. Rory wants to invite family and friends and 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the graduation ceremony because she's never walked in her high 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: school ceremony, but Lorlai refuses and doesn't want her parents 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: there because it'll just hurt them and me. Lorlai explains 36 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: her reasoning for not wanting her parents to attend the 37 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: ceremony because she feels like she's humulating them while in 38 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: high school. Do you think, Shelley, the reason is good 39 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: enough to not have them there this time? 40 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so I really have some I have some thoughts 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: on this. Okay, So what I wrote was I feel 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: like she didn't want her parents there because it was 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: I can't tell if she was disappointed in herself or 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: if she felt like her parents were going to be 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: disappointed in her. But this just kind of goes back 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: to the age old riff that happens between the two 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: of them. And I love that Rory went behind her 48 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: mom's back and just was the peacemaker. I feel like 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: that's what her role in the family is, at least 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: during a lot of these beginning episodes, is she becomes 51 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: a peacemaker and and and you know, to piggyback on that, 52 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: her dad. When she graduates, her dad gives her this 53 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: envelope of money and we presume it's money or it's 54 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: a check, and like a dad does at the you know, 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: graduation or college ceremony. 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: And. 57 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: She says to him, and I rarely hear her call 58 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: him daddy, and she says to him, thank you, daddy. 59 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: And I feel like he was so pleased with her 60 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: reaction because the look on his face when he gave 61 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: it to her, and when she says daddy, the look 62 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: on his face like almost makes me we don't want 63 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: to cry right now, because it was such a daddy 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: moment and he was like he was so pleased that 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: it was a really awesome connection between the two of them. 66 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: I really liked that. 67 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to Luke and laurel I. 68 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed that was awkward. 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. Right, they're still not talking. 70 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: She's got she had breakfast at Suki's the beginning of 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: the episode instead of going to the diner. Right, she's 72 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: avoiding him. They run into each other at Doses. I'm sorry, 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: what is that the. 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: Only time that you're in that episode? 75 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't. I don't think I was in it 76 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: other than that, I don't know. It was one of 77 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: those great episodes where you show up for like one 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: morning and then you get the rest of it. You 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: got like ten days off. Yeah, beautiful thing. 80 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I that was that. That whole interaction at Doses, 81 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: like with both Rory and Dean, my god, and then 82 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: with and and Luke. It was almost like the two 83 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: of them, Lorelai and Ry were very much kind of 84 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: cross like ships crossing in the night with their loves. 85 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: You know. 86 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: It was so awkward for all, like for all four 87 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: of those people. I thought that inane thing that they 88 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: gave poor Jared to say to make Dean just look 89 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: like I'm an idiot and I'm not. 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: You know, what did he say? They made him sound stupid. 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: I think like she asked a question and I don't 92 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: remember specifically, but she asked a question and he just 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: kind of some dumb reply that really didn't mean anything, 94 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: and Roy was just didn't even really listen or respond. 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 2: She's like, oh, yes, yes, yes. 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: You think Deane's looking for a parachute at this point 97 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: or she's just gonna jump out of the plane. He 98 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: doesn't care without a parachute. It's like, just get me 99 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: out of here. Not yet. 100 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: I don't think that Dean realizes, uh huh, how checked 101 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: out Rory is. 102 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't even know he's on a skydiving tour, does 103 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: he He's not even aware of it. He's up in 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: the air twenty thousand feet. He don't even he thinks 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: he's on the ground. 106 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I don't think he really like really 107 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: is aware of her. Just absolute complacence towards him at 108 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: this point. Sad. 109 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: It's sad he is something, didn't she leaving her web? 110 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: So notable that Luke doesn't even look at Lorelea. One 112 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: time I noticed that too. 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: It was so what do you make of that? I'd 114 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: like to know your thoughts on that. 115 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Just don't know what to say to her, doesn't know 116 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: how to deal with her. He's shut down, it's all 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: shut down. 118 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel like he's really like fully 119 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: in love with her at this. 120 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: Point and he's heartbroken? 121 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? So what is he doing with those? Feels like 122 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: that's how Luke deals with things? Is he just kind 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: of like shuts down? 124 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? How do guys deal with that? How do guys 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: deal with getting a tongue lashings. 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: On the guy? But I think you're right. I I 127 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 2: think a lot of guys just shut down. 128 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough to come back from that. Yeah, it 129 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: destroys the ego. 130 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: Do you think shes guilty? 131 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Huh? 132 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: Do you think she, Laurla I feels guilty at all 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: in any way? 134 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, she's a conscious being. She has to feel 135 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: a little bit right in otherwise she'd just be like 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: an emotional terrorist. Yes, yeah, but I but I think 137 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: you know I was watching for her reactions. Did she 138 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: notice that I wasn't looking at her? And I think 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: she did. She just tried to rise above it and 140 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: sort of stay positive and smiling and hopeful that you know, 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: maybe they're they could reconnect in some way, but that 142 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: wasn't happening. 143 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think she's doing the same thing that Luke 144 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: is doing, but in the Laurel I way of just 145 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: like okay with everything's fine, not at all. And then 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: she's also got a lot on her plate at this 147 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: point with with the graduation that, you know, all of 148 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: that stuff, and her fear and maybe insecurity about graduating 149 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: from community college and maybe what hers are on that. 150 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: And I think she's she's got a lot going on 151 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: emotionally in this My God, she looks gorgeous in this episode. 152 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, well, she's pretty. 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Her hair is right right, And I think that's one 154 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: of the reasons Luke couldn't look at her, because it 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: was just like like too fine, right. He didn't want 156 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to get distracted and get drawnk you know, get the 157 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: hooked deeper in Andy's toast, right. 158 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: Obviously. I was directed by Jamie babbittat a ton of times, uh, 159 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: And I think she actually directed the last episode I 160 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: was in the girls in bikinis and boys doing the twist, 161 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: and I remember she was hardcore about her one direction. 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: I only ever got from her was faster, faster, faster, faster. 163 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: They noticed that they everyone was talking like so fast 164 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: in the episode. I don't know if it was faster 165 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: than normal, but not your character, but the women mostly. 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: That I didn't allow myself to get caught up in 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: their pace. Oh god, you gotta hold your ground. 168 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: Man, Good for you, you. 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: Get sucked up, because I used to get sucked up 170 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: in that, And it was like, WHOA, Okay, that's not 171 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: the character. 172 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: No, because this, this is why we had these very, 173 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: very very long days, is having to say all those 174 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: words exactly written in these tongue twitters and like faster, faster, faster, 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I can't even 176 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: talk any faster. 177 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: It was quite stressful, Wasn't. 178 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: It totally stressful? 179 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: It was so it's like every day, all day, it's 180 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: quite stressful. 181 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this was. I think out of all 182 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: the acting jabs I've ever done, I think this one 183 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: was the hardest one in terms of like technicality stuff. 184 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh, no question about it. 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, technically speaking, it was grueling, honestly, And. 186 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Did you go on other sets on other shows and 187 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: they thought that their stuff was difficult? And you're just 188 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: like really, yeah, wait, not to be arrogant about it, 189 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: but it's like, guys, you seriously you want to you 190 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: want to rehearse this really time? 191 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't we want to show up and 192 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: just steal all of this? 193 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Like the scene partner comes out and they're like, you 194 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: know what, they just threw two new pages at us. 195 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? 196 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: Oh no, I remember when Live the would get like 197 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: two new pages. You're like, okay, I got this, I 198 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: got this, Like oh like, oh we're gonna yeah, oh 199 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: my god. 200 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Right, yeah. 201 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: At least we have table reads every single episode. 202 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: But we stopped doing those. 203 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: Oh not not, I was always I stopped in season four, 204 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: so I okay. 205 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so after that we didn't do table reads. 206 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: Why not? 207 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think certain people just 208 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to do them anymore. 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: Oh did you like them? I really enjoyed them. 210 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: Table reads? 211 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 212 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't really like them, you know, I don't, but 213 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, the writers need them. 214 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a really fun place to 215 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: come together. 216 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: The writers really need to hear it, right. I don't 217 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: like them because I don't like I don't like making 218 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: choices at all that I liked making choices like you know, 219 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: day of or right before we do the scene, like 220 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: formulating it. But on that show you kind of had 221 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: to hum you had to form something. 222 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. But your characters apart from like the 223 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: emotional stuff that he went through with all my daughter 224 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: and you know, all of it, all of it. 225 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: But but but but the thing is is the the emotionality, 226 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: if you want to call it, that was in the 227 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: in the dialogue. It was it was mapped out. It 228 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: wasn't like you had to You didn't really have to do. 229 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: You didn't have to dig deep because the work was 230 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: done for you and the words just kind of brought 231 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: it up. 232 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: It's true, I didn't. I didn't never have to dig deep, 233 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: but you know, mad was done. 234 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: But but you know what I'm you know what I'm saying. 235 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: I think that once once, once Amy and Dan got 236 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: that that storytelling of the characters they wrote for those 237 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: characters so magically well that that I didn't ever even 238 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I that was not a hard 239 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: part of the job in any way whatsoever. I just 240 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: how to say it and what to say. Look, the 241 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: only problem for me was just like I mean on 242 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: that that dialogue, that tongue twisting dialogue. 243 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: Right, I would say ninety percent of the work was 244 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: already done in the writing. 245 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 246 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: You know, I've been on other shows, like there's a 247 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: show I'm doing now where it's like they're giving you 248 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: ten percent and you got to do ninety percent and 249 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: dig deep and go go to that place and it's exhausting. 250 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: I was going to just ask you, are you enjoying it? 251 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: It a lot? 252 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean three years after three years, I'm burnt. You are, 253 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, I mean it's just like it's unsettling. Yeah, 254 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean you really gotta. But that's the work. That's 255 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: what's required. So that's the work. Yeah, that is required 256 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: to do. And that's fine. So it's either very naked 257 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: and spare yeah writing, or it's this stuff that's like 258 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: so much meat on the bone, Yeah, where you just 259 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: have to nibble in. You're good. Right. 260 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: I had to to play the drums for a movie, 261 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: and so for three months prior to even filming, I 262 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: had to. That was the hardest job, and my character 263 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: was through a lot emotionally. That was by far the 264 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: hardest job I've ever ever done. Right, Right, But it 265 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: was fun. 266 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: But you know what, I think, Here's what I think. 267 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think for the work that 268 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Lauren had to do, I think she had to go 269 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: deep several several, several times per episode, even though the writing, 270 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: and I think the writing helped get her there, obviously, 271 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: but she had to go deeper than pretty much anybody 272 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: in the cast right on a daily basis. So I 273 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: think that's the exhaustion that she was experiencing. 274 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: And I think Alexis was just overwhelmed with just the 275 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: scope of what she'd gotten herself into. But you know, Lauren, 276 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: I gotta say I applaud her big time because not 277 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: only does she have to spew out like fifty seven 278 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: pages of dialogue for a forty two you know, minute 279 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: show or whatever it is you know I'm making. Not 280 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: only that, but she also had to bring like a 281 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: lot of vulnerability to it with all the different relationships 282 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: in her life. So her huh with this one or 283 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: this one that you know, has so many different dynamics. 284 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: And I mean a hundred percent. Did she ever win 285 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: an Emmy for that? 286 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculously? 287 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: No? 288 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, what not? Was she nominated? I gotta get my point. 289 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think she got a sag 290 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Award nomination or some stuff. 291 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: But well, would it have been would she have been 292 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: nominated for no Emmys? 293 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't know if she was. Maybe she was nominated. 294 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't think she was nominated for Emmys. That was 295 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous because that was the heaviest lift probably 296 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: in the history of television. I mean no, think now 297 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: think about You're right, because she's at the center of 298 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: all the action. She's got to deal with everybody in 299 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: the cast, her daughter. 300 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: It was different with every single. 301 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: Person, right, every single day, all day. She was nominated 302 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: for a Golden Globe. Okay, Jackie says she was nominated. 303 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: She wasn't nominated for sagawar Jackie, that was it just 304 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: a just a Golden Globe. 305 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you this. The one, the 306 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: one performance that I think rivals in the history of 307 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: television was when you played that episode about in my 308 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: sponge Worthy on Seinfeld. I feel like that rivals it 309 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: really really. I just happen to wonder upon that the other. 310 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: Day, right because on here I am on Seinfeld and 311 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm working with all these really inexperienced people who don't 312 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and I have to you know, 313 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: I have to guide them through the scenes. It was 314 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: just horrible, actually, that was That was But that's the thing. 315 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: You can only pray that if you're like, Okay, if 316 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: you're in a situation where the writing is spare and 317 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: you've got to add so much meat to the bone 318 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: and you got to dig deep, you can only pray 319 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: that your cast is experienced and they understand what it 320 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: takes and they respect what it is that you have 321 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: to do to go get that stuff, and that they're 322 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, they know how to deal with it, like 323 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: even after the fact, because it lingers, it stays around, right, 324 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: it just doesn't go away. And if you don't have 325 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: a cast that's experienced with that, doing that and then 326 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: being around that and knowing how to handle that, you're screwed. 327 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: You're just you're alone on an iceberg out in the 328 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: middle the ocean. You're by yourself. The beauty of Gilmore 329 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: Girls is everybody was experienced and everybody supported. I think 330 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Lauren got a tremendous amount of support from everybody right 331 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: because they understood, we all understood what a heavy lift 332 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: this was for her. 333 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely and it was very much. She didn't get 334 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: a lot of support, and it was it was it 335 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: was like a I don't want to say it was 336 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: a dysfunctional family because that that would that's I don't 337 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: think it was per se dysfunctional family. I think it 338 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: was a very stressed out family that worked together and 339 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: understood the hmm, like the scope of what like all 340 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: of these things to together Tree, Chuck, Bob and. 341 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, I'm right right, right right. 342 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: Isaac, and and you know everybody who. 343 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: Just kind of there was a mutual respect over all departments, 344 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: not just cast, but over all departments because everybody was working. 345 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody had a hard job on that on 346 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: that set. 347 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think it was in two thousand and three 348 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: that we had a whole I don't know if you 349 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: guys ever did it again, but we had a whole, 350 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: huge cast and crew picture and there were hundreds. 351 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: And hundreds of Yeah. I don't know if you. 352 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: Guys ever did it again, but I felt I feel 353 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: so blessed that I got to be the part of 354 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: I still have that picture too. Yeah, it's crazy, I 355 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: mean just hundreds and hundreds of Yeah, it looks like 356 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: a where's Waldo? Cartoon, you know what I mean, it's 357 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: many people's stuffed to it, tight into you know, into 358 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: a picture. It's just but that's I guess My point 359 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: is it takes a huge village, of. 360 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: Course, Yeah, it's doing seven years of that. Yeah, just 361 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: to imagine how she felt. I mean, just like somebody 362 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: saved me. 363 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: Didn't you move on to parenthood right after that? 364 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but I don't think it was a big 365 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: It wasn't a huge. 366 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Lift, That's what I'm I'm saying further. 367 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: Down the call shoot, So it was she didn't she 368 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: have to carry the show, which is what she was 369 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: probably looking for. Like, man, I don't know if I 370 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: want to do this again, you know, not for another 371 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: seven years. 372 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: Ensemble there where she's right carrying a show on her back. Yeah, 373 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: you know, you can have the show without Rory. Not really, 374 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: but you can if you had to. You cannot have 375 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: the show without lorale I at all. 376 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I think it's tough either way. 377 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: I did do but if you had to take one 378 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: out for like, you know, an episode, you can't take Orlin. 379 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that. 380 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like she adopts Jean or Dean or something, 381 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: and that's like she has a son. 382 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: Shut up? All right? Okay. I wanted to also mention 383 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 2: Seth McFarland. 384 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: Episode It's funny, And I looked it. 385 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: Up on IMDb last night, and I think it was 386 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: like one of his first credits ever. And and I 387 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: looked on and he's in a bas Lureman film and 388 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 2: yeahs or no, he makes a line at that. But 389 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: on a one episode of Will and Grace right around 390 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: the same time, his credit was pencil sharpener. 391 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: All right. Rory shows up at Emily's unplanned visit. They 392 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: don't mind, and they and she invites Richard and Lady 393 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: Laura or I'm sorry. Rory shows up and she invites 394 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: them to the graduation ceremony. Right, But that's Rory going 395 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: behind her mom's back because she didn't want her to 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: do it. And it's like, Ry does this, Rory does 397 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: this a lot done, she goes behind her mother's back. 398 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: Does it ever? Has it ever been a major failure 399 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: or does it always seem to work out? What do 400 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: you think? 401 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: What in this show with Rory? 402 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: It just all the time that she's kind of gone 403 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: behind her mom's back too. 404 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: But she's doing what a teenager, does you know, they 405 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: they break stuff and then you got to fix it. 406 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: I feel like in this episode, for sure, it worked 407 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: out very much in in louralized favor because there was 408 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: so much unspoken between her and her mom and dad 409 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: that someone had to bridge that gap. If not, then 410 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: he wouldn't have Richard wouldn't have had that experience. 411 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: You know, I know it was really sad. You know, 412 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: they they were you know, Emily was humiliated. They were just. 413 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: They were humiliated. The graduation well. 414 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, they you know, Emily was moved because you know, 415 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: it should have been Yale. It should have been this, 416 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: It should have been that. Everything that Laura like does, 417 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: every accomplishment that she tries to celebrate posts Rory. Yeah, 418 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: her parents make her feel that she just doesn't measure 419 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: up now, does she? What could have been? And that's 420 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: their role on the show. That's their function, That's why 421 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: they're there. You know. 422 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: I feel, I feel, I truly feel. 423 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: That they can't help themselves. 424 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: But I feel like there are times when when they 425 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: show like a lot of like kindness to her. I 426 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: feel like a lot, But I think there are times 427 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: when they look put that crop aside and they say 428 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: good job. You know. I feel like that, Shelley. 429 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: The more I watch this show, yeah, the more I'm 430 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: coming to the realization that loral I has every right 431 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: to just say to her parents, get off your freaking 432 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: high horse and deal. This is who I am. This 433 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: is reality, absolutely, you know what I mean. It's like 434 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: it's just grading sometimes to say it, but it's very 435 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: well written, it's very funny. It has to be. Conflict 436 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: is the soul of comedy, you know, it's just brilliant stuff. Yeah, 437 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, you know, real world it's like, dude, 438 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: but in. 439 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: Reality that is that Those are the kind of relationships 440 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: we have oftentimes with parents or people that are guiding us. 441 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: Is I don't I'm not enough? And I think everyone 442 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: in some way with someone in their life struggles with that. Unfortunately, 443 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: for Loreli started at home when she was just young, 444 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: not even nearly even adult, scared to do anything, and 445 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: to just have complete, like no emotional support from her 446 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 2: parents at an early age when you really like she 447 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: doesn't even know how to process this stuff. That's that 448 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: to me is the tragedy. 449 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I love people or artists who come from that background 450 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: abuse and they turn their lives and their relationships and 451 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: their art into anything other than anger. Right, they turn, 452 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: they make something beautiful, They have beautiful relationship. That to 453 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: me is the win. That's that's wonderful. And that's what 454 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: she does. It's humor and. 455 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: And and she does exactly the opposite with Rory. She 456 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: lifts Rory up. She You know, that barrier between friend 457 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: and mom is gray a lot of times, and sometimes 458 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: it's not gray at all. 459 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: But I really she became. She became the mother she 460 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: never had and the father that. 461 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it any better. That's perfect. 462 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about probably the most beloved and delightful 463 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: character in the entire Opus. It's Christopher. 464 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: God, that's fun. I thought you were gonna say Sukie 465 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: because she's my favorite character. Yes, let's discuss discuss happy face. 466 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: That Jebby Cheeks shows up and his shirt so he's 467 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: wearing a shirt. You ever noticed that he's got a 468 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: shirt on Christopher and his shirt still shirt? 469 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: My note was Christopher, dude, too little, too late with 470 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: the pearl. That was great job that suchasm, Christopher. What 471 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: do you got? 472 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: Really? That's all you got for Christopher? 473 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: That's how little I appreciate christ this is a bark 474 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: free zone, little girl. 475 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: Do you think way a minute, you know, a question 476 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: just popped into my head. Do you think that Rory 477 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: is delusional that she can have that this guy is 478 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: worth it at all? 479 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: I absolutely do. But that's what But that's. 480 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: The heartbreaking part about it, right, is that she's so 481 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: hopeful and still so so you know, a little bit 482 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: needy of that. 483 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: But again, that is a that's universal, I think people. 484 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: I hate to genderize this, but I do feel like 485 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: girls really need a strong father, and they want a 486 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: strong father, and very often we don't get them, and 487 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: and it makes us yearn for it more. And I 488 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: feel like there's a there's a what's a blinder in 489 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: that whole you knowation I mean? And plus he didn't 490 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: do it, you know what he did. He did in 491 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: a way, he didn't do it directly to her, but 492 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: then he just disappeared, you know, and then showed back 493 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 2: up when she's all grown up and all put together, 494 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 495 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: For him, it's like it's either nothing or it's too much. 496 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: He's either over the top or he's not even present. 497 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: It's just he's always making up. 498 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: It's just God with you. I am actually really surprised 499 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: that she goes back to him for any reason. 500 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Why does she deal with this bozo at all? No, 501 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: what's happening? 502 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. I first love, I guess, and I 503 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: don't know. But I think that Christian was a fairly 504 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: unpopular character universally speaking. 505 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that this is causing 506 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: do you do? You? Okay, what do you think she 507 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: should have done in the real world? Laurla cut him 508 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: out over their lives completely because he just keeps he 509 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: keeps disappointing that. Yeah, he keeps hurting them. 510 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's her decision entirely. I think 511 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: that there is a relationship between Rory and Christopher. I'm 512 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: not saying it's a good one. I'm just saying that 513 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: I think ultimately Rory does get to decide if she 514 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: wants to have a relationship with her father, and I 515 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: think that I think that laurel ies just kind of. 516 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: I think he's always scrambled her brain in a not 517 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: in good way, and I think she does her best 518 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: wade through those murky waters. What do you think do 519 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: you think that she should have cut him out? Yeah? 520 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: You do? 521 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 522 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't need it, sorry, but I mean, look, it's 523 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: there for a reason, right. It provides what it's supposed to. 524 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think what it does is really really puts 525 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: a spotlight on Luke the spotlighted. 526 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 4: Hi. 527 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 3: I'm Terry Hatcher and you may remember me as Susan 528 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: Meyer from Desperate Housewives. 529 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Bowen, though you may know me as Terry's 530 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: onscreen daughter Julie Meyer. 531 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: And I'm Emerson Tenney, Terry's real life daughter. 532 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: And this is Desperately Devoted a rewatch podcast dedicated to 533 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: the iconic series Desperate Housewives, with two actors and a writer, one. 534 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: Of whom is watching the show for the very first time. 535 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: Yes, that's me Andrea. Can you imagine if I had 536 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: let her watch it as a six year old. 537 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: We will dive into all the behind the scenes stories 538 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: of Osteria Lane. 539 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: And look at how the show continues to inform conversations 540 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 4: about relationships, identity, and culture today. 541 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: So, whether you are a diehard fan or you're watching 542 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: it Mike Emerson for the very first time. 543 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome you back to Asteria Lane. 544 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Because we are desperately devoted to you. 545 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 4: Listen to desperately devoted on the iHeartRadio app, app podcasts 546 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts. 547 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to New York. Okay, you want 548 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: to go to New. 549 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 2: York, let's go. I love that the Pixies were playing 550 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: and that song. I love that they chose that song. 551 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, sow uncharacteristic for Rory. She skips school, gets 552 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: on a bus to the Big Apple. Yeah, go see 553 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, the the runner up in the Jack Kerouac 554 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: Act to Like contest. 555 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: Although I really, I really did like Jess in this 556 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: I like to Jess in this episode. I don't like 557 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: what he encouraged her to do, but in a way, 558 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like she needed to do that. 559 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: This is a this is the kind of decision she's 560 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: never made before to just get on a bus and 561 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: go to New York City by herself at what's six seven, 562 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: sixteen years old? Like that? 563 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: All those Northeast kids, man, they grow up in the suburbs. 564 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: They want to go to New York. Going to New 565 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: York's a big deal. 566 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: Did you do you think it was? Okay? If you 567 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: were her dad, would you have said, well, how would 568 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: you have responded. 569 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: If I were the father in that relationship, yeah, yeah, 570 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: the biological father. 571 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 572 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: And she skipped school to go see this guy in 573 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: New York and did, and. 574 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: In essence, that's a pretty dangerous like choice. 575 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely have a talk. 576 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: I'm on the fence about that, But I guess I 577 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: I'm glad she did because I feel like she's been 578 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: such a good girl that she needed to do something brave. 579 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I feel I feel it was brave. 580 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: I feel it was irresponsible. 581 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, she didn't tell anybody where she 582 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: was going. 583 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal. 584 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: That's that's so. Yeah, I'm going to ground her. 585 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: M your phone these days, I learned if you take 586 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: that phone, man, that's the biggest consequence in their lives. 587 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: Look, the most terrifying thing for a parent is not 588 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: knowing where your kid is. Yeah, and that's you know, 589 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: you don't you don't put your parents do that. 590 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: So so so she has done that, And what do 591 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: you think, how do you think this develops her relationship 592 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: with with Jess. Obviously you did a lot to want 593 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: to make that decision to go to New York. 594 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's supposed to be a goodbye. You never 595 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: said goodbye, so he says goodbye, right, yeah, he is 596 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: that permanent no, obviously, So as they say on the 597 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: Hallmark channel, the heart calls, you know, right, it does. 598 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: Indeed, the heart does. 599 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: The heart calls. And guess what, you know, she's picking 600 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: up the phone and saying hello, I'll be right. 601 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. Trailways is a bus. 602 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: To Graham, Graham, why did you just ask ry as 603 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: she gets on the bus, why did you come here? Duh? 604 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: Why do you think? 605 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, dude, I think I think he knew, 606 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: but he wanted to hear her say it. You know, 607 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: when we when we need that confirmation or that affirmation 608 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: from from someone. 609 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: I was curious, if you're going to change your clothes, 610 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: you can watch them. 611 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: I can smell you from from Connecticut. 612 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: It's like whoa, whoa. 613 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So they are record shopping, they hang out, they 614 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: do that stuff. She gets back on the bus and 615 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: he says goodbye, and then she gets stuck. 616 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know he did. He did ask Rory 617 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: how Luke was so, And that's really the only one 618 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: of the only times we see him caring about somebody 619 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: else besides you. Know obviously Rory. Yeah, he's that typical 620 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: hurt abused guy. Yeah, teen who can he can only 621 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: open up to one person and that's the object of 622 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: his desire. Yeah, everybody else is the enemy taking away 623 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: her attention, right, It's that. It's that mentality. He's he's 624 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: a he's a prototype. Yeah, it's a psychological prototype. 625 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely that that, you know, the rebel without 626 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: a cause and uh kind of guy. That God, I 627 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: went through that phase when I was younger, and did 628 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 2: you Thank god I was when I was younger, when 629 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 2: I when I passed through that like bad guy phase, 630 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: because it's worth it. 631 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: So in high school, what did they vote in the yearbook? 632 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: What was your most likely to? 633 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: What? Oh? My, my, my, like they just called me 634 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: cosmic Shelley. That was my moniker or whatever. In the 635 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: Europe you can put a little Madeline in there and 636 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: you could use your message. 637 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's great. 638 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: Did you have a most likely to? 639 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: I was most likely to join the s LA, that's 640 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: the Cymbionese Liberation Army and uh, I'm very proud of that. Actually, 641 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: all right, let's go to the graduation ceremony and there 642 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: we are with Seth Seth McFarlane the communist, hating the 643 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: wealthy with his and they had an hysterical dynamic. Yeah, 644 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: they hated each other, they loved each other, they told 645 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: each other to die. It's just so funny, so great. Yeah, 646 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: I like that, And it made me wonder how much 647 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: an audience could could tolerate that, maybe through an entire episode, 648 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: or if they were the lead this series, because it's 649 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: so great. But you probably tire of it. F but 650 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, really, just brilliant writing, just funny stuff, all right. So, 651 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: so Laurel I gets there early. Her mother's there setting 652 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: up camera equipment. She's horrified by this. She meets Seth McFarlane, 653 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: the the raging communist. Uh, and Rory misses the graduation 654 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: because her bus is you know, there's a there's an 655 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: accident on the New York Thruway. 656 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to overstate this, but I do 657 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: feel like Lorelized reaction to Rory not being there. 658 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Oh God, I agree, I agree with you. I agree 659 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: with you. God, I know what you're gonna say. 660 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: I want to catch it. I felt like it was. 661 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: A little childish, Yes, I. 662 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah, howdy you know, and granted, Yeah, she was 663 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: definitely had a lot going on and stuff, but I 664 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: was I was sort of taking it back. I was 665 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: always watching that reaction going. I don't remember her being 666 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: this like powdy, you know, like not temper chanterm, but 667 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: like poudy, little childish. 668 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: Girl before she had to from an acting point of 669 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: view from it, she had to to give Rory runway 670 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: for her speech. 671 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, of course, right. 672 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: So that she could be you know. 673 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one that that 674 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: had that reaction to it. Like I said, I feel 675 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: like anyway, yeah, I feel like I know what you mean, 676 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: what it is. It is what it is. So but 677 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: but okay, So, if Rory had been there, would she 678 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: have had that experience? Would her heart have been vulnerable 679 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 2: enough to have that experience with her dad? I feel 680 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: like the writing is brilliant, and I feel like there's 681 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: a very important purpose for Rory not being there, as 682 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: if Ory had been there, I don't know that she would, 683 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: Laura I would have been as open to the experience 684 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 2: that she had with her, especially her dad. So again, 685 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: great writing. 686 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: Again, it's like what's not written r is the genius 687 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: of it. What's not there? 688 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: And then the last thing I wrote was that, like, 689 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: it feels like Laurla I really guilted Rory for not 690 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: being there, and then Rory starts spiraling, and then she 691 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: feels horrible at herself because she sat on the bus 692 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: for hours, and then there's all of this guilt and 693 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 2: guilt and guilt and Rory when she spirals, she just 694 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: spy rules and uh so, yeah, she totally spiraled, and 695 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 2: then they finally had their talk m h. And it's 696 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: kind of like it was kind of it's kind of 697 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 2: like a dot dot dot at the end of the episode. 698 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: I feel like it was kind of left a little open, you. 699 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: Know, Shelly, Let's talk about when Rory tells her mother 700 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: that Jess's phone call did something to her and that 701 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: she's she's sick and she's ill and she needs help. 702 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: And this is teenage melodrama, and you think she's genuinely 703 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: overwhelmed or she's just confused by her feelings. I mean, 704 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: this is like it's typical teenage trauma, right. 705 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, I okay, I think what's going on with her? 706 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: And I do. I am with teenagers a lot, so 707 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: I don't really a lot of their drama. I think 708 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 2: what's going on with Rory in that because that I 709 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: feel like that's part of the spiral, is that she is, 710 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 2: first of all, she's feeling guilty about Secondly, I also 711 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 2: think that she's feeling I don't know if guilt is 712 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: the right word for it, but she knows Jess is 713 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 2: like a bad boy, and she knows that her mom 714 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: doesn't really approve of him. So I feel I feel 715 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 2: like she doesn't know what to do with her emotions 716 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: in regards to to Jess because she feels very drawn 717 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 2: to him. She knows that or she's been told and 718 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 2: she feels like the counterpoint that it's wrong. And I 719 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: feel like that's very very rough emotional terrain to navigate 720 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 2: as a sixteen year old kid who is always trying 721 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 2: to do the right thing. And it feels that she's 722 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 2: just very very confused and lost in all of that stuff. 723 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: And I think that's why she said those words to 724 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 2: her mom. 725 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: That's why that's got to keep her on the tightrope, 726 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: can't It's easy for them to fall off, right, That's 727 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: that's the fear, all right, Well, that's it, all right? 728 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: He's like, is she in denial? I know, she says 729 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: I love Dean, but I love Dean, right, Mom. You 730 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: know it's like I don't think. 731 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 2: So, no, no, that is too. 732 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: Love as a friend, love as a person, you know, trust. 733 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 2: She's trying to say. I think she's saying that over 734 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 2: and over again because she's trying to convince herself of it, 735 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 2: because he's the right choice. But she doesn't. She doesn't 736 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 2: love Deane, and we know that when she was completely 737 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 2: tuned out to him, you know, when he was talking 738 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: to her, when they were walking on the street. She 739 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 2: was just tuned out. Her brain was somewhere else. 740 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: And we know, yeah, she's not getting the dopamine hits 741 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: from Dan. 742 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: She she knows what she wants, but she just feels 743 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 2: too guilty to let herself have it. 744 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: So Shelly, what'd you think of this episode overall? 745 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: I don't think that it was specifically like a vastly 746 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: entertaining episode in terms of, like, you know, I walked 747 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 2: away feeling like, oh that's a little more girls always 748 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: feel good. But I feel like it was a very 749 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: important episode of lauralized relationship with herself, Rory's relationship with herself, 750 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 2: larealized relationship, you know, with Rory, and then you know, 751 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 2: the parents and all that stuff. I think it was 752 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 2: a very important establishing, you know, episode that happens. Those 753 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 2: are the rough like the bumps in life, and I 754 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 2: feel like this was a bumps in life episode, right, it. 755 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: Was the purpose maybe the purpose of the episode was 756 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: to make us feel uncomfortable and unsettled so that the 757 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: a La Las can come back and take us away 758 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: from heaven. 759 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: Right yeah, sure, yeah, all. 760 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: Right, good deal. All right, we're gonna wrap this up, 761 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: Shelley call scuote observations from Cosmic Shelley. 762 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: Yoh, I love it. Let's do that some more. 763 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: And always pleasure, please please come. 764 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 2: Back of course, Scott, it's so fun to talk to you. 765 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: Best of luck to you. Fun to talk to you too, 766 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: And remember, everybody, keep those cards and letters coming. Best 767 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: fans on the planet. We are here for you and 768 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: we are bacon s'mores all of us. Remember where you lead, 769 00:42:35,160 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: we will follow. Stay safe, hey, everybody, don't forget. Follow 770 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and 771 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.