Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is
Speaker 1: hot pursuit.
Speaker 2: I'm actually super excited today, Hannah, because I can tell
Speaker 2: by the shirt we have. Yes, I'm wearing my Grateful
Speaker 2: Dead tribute shirt. May eighth, nineteen seventy seven, the greatest
Speaker 2: show ever recorded. A lot of people would say at
Speaker 2: Barton Hall in Cornell, or maybe it wasn't recorded, maybe
Speaker 2: it was a CIA mind experiment. But anyway, I still
Speaker 2: listened to that concert over and over and over, you know,
Speaker 2: like thirty five years later since I started listening to Dead,
Speaker 2: and I hope that you at some point get a
Speaker 2: chance to listen to the Dead and Cornell.
Speaker 1: I think that I did. I spent a week in
Speaker 1: listening to random Grateful Dead songs, but in your honor,
Speaker 1: it didn't take. It really didn't take. But I need
Speaker 1: to try again.
Speaker 2: I think you would if you listen to this record,
Speaker 2: and especially on a road.
Speaker 1: Trip, from start to finish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you would become a Dead fan. Okay, By
Speaker 2: the way, why were we talking about the Dixie Chicks?
Speaker 2: Why were we m.
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, you you were singing wide open spaces.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, because I'm so happy to be back in America. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's why. So I spent last week in Spain, and
Speaker 2: obviously I love Spain. My wife is from Spain, my
Speaker 2: kids are half Spanish. The food is delicious, you know,
Speaker 2: prices are reasonable. I mean I got my daughter her
Speaker 2: first ever Manny petty and it was twenty euros.
Speaker 1: Good for her.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was. I love Spain, but the parking spaces
Speaker 2: are so small that I had a Pugo five thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, you know, which is like a little sort
Speaker 2: of minivan suv combo.
Speaker 1: But em Manuel, I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: Yes, and thankfully that was an option. Thank you sixth
Speaker 2: the rental car company lets you choose. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: really liked the car, you know, I got it because
Speaker 2: I have two girls in rear facing car seats in
Speaker 2: the back, and I knew we would be transporting beach
Speaker 2: gear and luggage and you know, it's not fast, but
Speaker 2: it was pretty intuitive and I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: But the door space, So this is my problem, not
Speaker 2: with the Pougeot but with Spain. And the parking spaces
Speaker 2: are so tight that when you pull up to your
Speaker 2: local car four or whatever it's called, and you pull
Speaker 2: into a space in between two cars. You cannot, or
Speaker 2: at least I can't, and I'm not that fat open
Speaker 2: my door with enough space to get in and out
Speaker 2: without brushing my whole body on the on the outside
Speaker 2: of the car, and I get dirty. And then try
Speaker 2: taking a baby in a car seat out of that
Speaker 2: small It's just impossible. You take everything out of the
Speaker 2: car before you park, then park, it squeeze out, you know.
Speaker 2: It's what are they thinking?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Conservative so in the in the US here, at least
Speaker 2: in Scarsdale, we have big parking space.
Speaker 1: I have to imagine when they made those parking spots,
Speaker 1: the cars were a lot smaller.
Speaker 2: That's what Yeah, my wife says that. Same with the roads, yep,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have fantastic roads in Spain.
Speaker 1: This is why every automaker launch for the past two
Speaker 1: years has been there.
Speaker 2: They're amazing, really nice. I don't know if it's because
Speaker 2: of like the socialist government they need to give people jobs.
Speaker 2: They keep building the roads.
Speaker 1: The roads are did you get stuck behind like big
Speaker 1: trucks and stuff or no? No, See that's great, because
Speaker 1: I feel like that happens sometimes in like Germany and Switzerland.
Speaker 1: And stuff, but I never had that in Spain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I had a lot of There are
Speaker 2: some roads that are limited for like environmental reasons, and
Speaker 2: like we were talking about before, they they track you
Speaker 2: when you enter and then when you leave and take
Speaker 2: your average and give you a ticket. So I don't
Speaker 2: know how many tickets I got yet, but probably many. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's talk about a slightly higher end car. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about a range here. I loved the Pougo.
Speaker 2: I don't know that much about it, but it was satisfying.
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about a few The Aston
Speaker 2: Martin has a new vanquish out. I have actually seen
Speaker 2: it and I took my I took a twelve year
Speaker 2: old friend with me. They gave us a sneak preview.
Speaker 1: His twelve year old friend.
Speaker 2: I took my boss's boss's boss's boss's son to see.
Speaker 2: Like the deputy editor in chief at Bloomberg, his son
Speaker 2: was in the office as I was going off to
Speaker 2: the Aston Martin sneak preview and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: is your kid Boord, I'll take him to the new
Speaker 2: Aston Martin sneak preview And the kid was thrilled and
Speaker 2: he was quite good at sticking through the whole presentation
Speaker 2: without whining, asking good questions.
Speaker 1: He asked questions, Yeah we did, oh impressive.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I just saw it and they walked us
Speaker 2: through it, and it was I thought, you did it.
Speaker 1: Look markedly I mean I've seen photos, of course, did
Speaker 1: it look markedly different than previous Aston Martins of any variety?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you see on the street, are you
Speaker 1: going to know instantly, yes, this is Theish?
Speaker 2: Straight away? You're gonna know not only will you know
Speaker 2: it's Nason Martin, but you'll know it is the flagship model.
Speaker 1: But will you'll know it's the Vanquish specifically.
Speaker 2: If you know tell it, if you know enough about
Speaker 2: Aston Martins, yes you'll know that, okay, or you'll think
Speaker 2: it's like what a dB twelve should be.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I think it's amazing that they're still keeping the twelve cylinder.
Speaker 2: It is to be lauded. I spoke with Laurence Stroll,
Speaker 2: of course, the owner and chairman of Aston Martin, a
Speaker 2: few months ago, and he said, if they want to,
Speaker 2: they could even put a manual transmission in this thing,
Speaker 2: which I don't know.
Speaker 1: What was he implying. Is he hinting that they're going
Speaker 1: to no.
Speaker 2: He was saying, like we asked why not, and you
Speaker 2: know we've gotten you and I have gotten great answers,
Speaker 2: I think, yes, the best being from Mark Royce, who
Speaker 2: kind of admitted, look, it's a cost issue, like yes, Comali.
Speaker 1: I like that he was honest about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was straightforward. And Stroll maybe I don't know
Speaker 2: how incredibly hands on he is in terms of those things,
Speaker 2: but what Laurence Stroll wants, Laurence Stroll typically gets right.
Speaker 2: So if he decides he was telling us that he wants,
Speaker 2: or that customers demand it, and they'll buy enough a
Speaker 2: manuel in this or in the vantage which you drove
Speaker 2: in Spain, then they can do it now. I don't
Speaker 2: foresee that happening, but that's just what he said. You know.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I think if they put it in,
Speaker 1: obviously it would sell right now. And it's interesting because
Speaker 1: I've been asking the same questions even during Pebble Beach
Speaker 1: with Ferrari executives, and I asked the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: would you could you and they said, yeah, we could,
Speaker 1: and people would by and we'd make money. But we
Speaker 1: are deciding not to do that.
Speaker 2: That sounds a bill stop out.
Speaker 1: It was a deliberate decision. They also said their take
Speaker 1: rate on the California Manual was point zero one percent.
Speaker 2: But that's a California. I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 2: judge anybody, but here we go. You don't buy the
Speaker 2: California if you're really a car person, do you? The
Speaker 2: California is a car that you want to buy so
Speaker 2: that other people know that you're wealthy. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 2: a car that you buy because you love cars. Well,
Speaker 2: maybe is that fair?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The reason I'd say this is because I've spent so
Speaker 2: much time on YouTube. You know, I'd love to have
Speaker 2: a Ferrari, and I don't have enough money to buy
Speaker 2: a new Ferrari, so I look at every possible affordable
Speaker 2: way to get a Ferrarit. So I've spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time listening to like, you know, Matt Farrah talk
Speaker 2: about is the California a car that you'd want to buy?
Speaker 2: And I think Matt and Zach say no way, Jose,
Speaker 2: like it's a very bad car.
Speaker 1: Well, I would get information from more than one block.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I do. No, I you know, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a very bad car at all.
Speaker 1: I think entry level cars are often disdained. You know,
Speaker 1: the California is not my favorite Ferrari, but it's not
Speaker 1: a bad car. And just because it's entry level doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that people who really are passionate about their cars
Speaker 1: might buy one.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the thing. I mean? The argument I've heard
Speaker 2: not just from Smoking Tire, but also from like Hoovey's
Speaker 2: Garage Mechanic and I watch everything on YouTube, right, is
Speaker 2: that the quality control is so bad? And where on
Speaker 2: the California, And I've heard it's a very different story
Speaker 2: on what do they call the new the Roma? Right,
Speaker 2: Because that's a car I would take in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Roma was my favorite car of the year when I
Speaker 1: drove it. Yeah, it was fabulous.
Speaker 2: But is that not the entry level currently?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that's exactly why I don't disdain
Speaker 2: the entry level.
Speaker 1: A fabulous car, and I think real car people will
Speaker 1: understand that that car is directly related to previous ferraris
Speaker 1: from history and is absolutely within the Ferrari DNA and lineage.
Speaker 1: And I have a friend who just got one and
Speaker 1: loves it. So I just would think that that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of arrogance to just say that just because
Speaker 1: it's the entry level it isn't good.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not. What I'm saying is that's an
Speaker 2: entry level car that I would love to have and
Speaker 2: take in a heartbeat. I think the California is different.
Speaker 1: The California wasn't my favorite Ferrari.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as good.
Speaker 1: You know they even let's say, yeah, Roma is much improved.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we're we were talking about. The point of this
Speaker 2: is manufacturers always say the take rate would be low,
Speaker 2: and I get that on a California the take great
Speaker 2: would be low. Yes, But I'm here to say that
Speaker 2: after what we've seen through the pandemic, and when you
Speaker 2: look at collection collector prices now a lot more people
Speaker 2: are paying attention now than they were pre pandemic to
Speaker 2: collector car prices. And so now if you offer, you know,
Speaker 2: a luxury or exotic or an exclusive vehicle with a
Speaker 2: manual option, now people know take the manual because especially
Speaker 2: a car that you're going to those people are not
Speaker 2: going to drive these cars, right, They put them in
Speaker 2: a garage, they hold on to them and then they
Speaker 2: sell it.
Speaker 1: Also, again, I have to disagree. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are buying manuals to drive them. And in fact,
Speaker 1: in the current issue of Business Geek, I've got a
Speaker 1: story specifically about manuals. The younger people who are buying manuals,
Speaker 1: especially in like Lamborghini and Ferrari range, they're driving them
Speaker 1: because they want to show off.
Speaker 2: It's like a status for sure. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing with you. I'm I'm saying that now there's
Speaker 2: a much stronger argument for an automaker to put out
Speaker 2: a manual. Ten years ago, ten years ago when I asked,
Speaker 2: I was in Detroit with Sergio Marcioni and you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred journalists or two hundred journalists, and.
Speaker 1: He's a private affair, exactly private one.
Speaker 2: And they had introduced this little sports car that's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It's a little, tiny, little spider, and but they didn't
Speaker 2: put it out with a manuel And I said why not?
Speaker 2: And he said, because you and I would be the
Speaker 2: only people who would buy one.
Speaker 1: That's what they all say.
Speaker 2: But I think that's not no longer the case. And
Speaker 2: I think that because you know, we've we've all seen
Speaker 2: what happens to manuals. My brother's desperately searching, as keep
Speaker 2: telling you, for a Ferrari. He only wants a manual.
Speaker 2: And of course he keeps finding the autos that are cheaper,
Speaker 2: like three point fifty five. The auto you could get
Speaker 2: a three sixty. The auto you can get, no, But
Speaker 2: if you want the manual, you got to pay up
Speaker 2: for it. And so these people are realizing that, and
Speaker 2: when they have enough money to buy a new car,
Speaker 2: they're going to say, you know what, I actually the
Speaker 2: take raid is going to be higher on the manual.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, I like this is a working theory. I
Speaker 1: will totally subscribe to it.
Speaker 2: The four C, by the way, the Alfa Romeo four
Speaker 2: C is what I'm.
Speaker 1: Talking I remember it. Okay, good to know.
Speaker 2: It's so cool with.
Speaker 1: The Fiat five hundreds like the ones that are manuals.
Speaker 1: In fact, my dentist bought one. He's a Ferrari owner
Speaker 1: and lover, and his own a bunch of Ferraris for years.
Speaker 1: He lives in Pasadena. But what he drives every day
Speaker 1: and what he cornered me while I'm in the chair
Speaker 1: with my mouth open for thirty minutes was to talk
Speaker 1: about is manual Fiat five hundred that he loves. He's
Speaker 1: obsessed with it, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So the Aston Martin doesn't have and I don't
Speaker 2: think on this kind of the new Vanquish, which is
Speaker 2: their flagship, you know, a touring car, I don't think
Speaker 2: you maybe even want a manual.
Speaker 1: No, but of course the Allure you can get a manual, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: Aston Martin Velure.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even know about that until recently.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a hot looking car.
Speaker 1: That that car. I mean, no one has ever said
Speaker 1: that Aston Martin makes bad looking cars. They look great.
Speaker 2: And they also keep putting out these kind of like
Speaker 2: limited editions with twelve cylinder engines and manual transmissions that
Speaker 2: I don't find out about until like months after the fact,
Speaker 2: or in the case of the Vlore, like a year later.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So this one, though, is I think looks
Speaker 2: very factory. It looks I mean it's so elegant, you know.
Speaker 1: Those I think of the panoramic glass roof.
Speaker 2: Very cool, and it has that it has the technology
Speaker 2: that the range Rover has where you can kind of
Speaker 2: like electronically close it essentially.
Speaker 1: Which is important because I've been in other cars, and
Speaker 1: you know, a glass roof sounds great in theory, but
Speaker 1: they really become a greenhouse.
Speaker 2: It's hot. Also like me, yeah, you got to be careful.
Speaker 2: You've in a very manly way, lost your hair, then
Speaker 2: you can't risk it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm curious how many they are going
Speaker 1: to sell. They say they're going to limit production to
Speaker 1: under a thousand, but they wouldn't actually quote me a number,
Speaker 1: so it seems a little open ended.
Speaker 2: My big thing with Aston Martin is, I mean, I
Speaker 2: love a lot of the vehicles, like the Vantage. I
Speaker 2: loved the old Vantage. I know you didn't really totally
Speaker 2: fall head over heels and love at the new Vantage,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I would.
Speaker 1: It's a tough segment because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: great cars on that segment.
Speaker 2: True, that to me is the thing. But my thing
Speaker 2: with Aston Martin is do you want to buy the stock?
Speaker 2: Is this a company that's gonna last? You know, because
Speaker 2: if you do the comparison of if they could make
Speaker 2: Ferrari size margins, you know they should be Their market
Speaker 2: cap should be way bigger. And I know that's not
Speaker 2: what this show is typically about, but for me, this
Speaker 2: is the most interesting thing about this company right now.
Speaker 2: Of course the history and the vehicles and the new
Speaker 2: one they're coming out with is drop dead gorgeous and
Speaker 2: has amazing feats of engineering and design. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: I would I will want one, and I already do.
Speaker 2: But for me, the interesting thing is do I want
Speaker 2: the stock? You know, because if they achieve what Stroll
Speaker 2: has set out to achieve, and this is a big
Speaker 2: question on Wall Street, will he walk away or will
Speaker 2: he stick there and make it a winner? It should
Speaker 2: be worth a heck of a lot more than it
Speaker 2: is now.
Speaker 1: I'm really look, it's going to be really There's lots
Speaker 1: happening at Uston Martin. It'll be really interesting to follow
Speaker 1: because your question about the stock. They've brought in Adrian Hallmark,
Speaker 1: the former CEO at Bentley, who is very well respected,
Speaker 1: very well liked. He's really a gentleman and very critical
Speaker 1: thinker and kind of known for his ability to withstand
Speaker 1: a crisis he was in. He was at the Helm
Speaker 1: of Bentley during COVID and Bentley actually won some awards
Speaker 1: in the UK for how they managed the COVID, the pandemic,
Speaker 1: the closures, the shutdowns and then coming back and that
Speaker 1: was really credit to Adrian's foresight. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's been brought over to Aston
Speaker 1: Martin is for that same reason he You know, if
Speaker 1: anyone can bring Acid Martin back, quote unquote, it might
Speaker 1: be Adrian Hollmark. The thing is, and from what I'm hearing,
Speaker 1: it'll be curious to see whether Stroll really allows Adrian
Speaker 1: to run the company. Of course, billionaire owner, yes, how
Speaker 1: involved does he get and and of course you hire
Speaker 1: someone to do a job, are you gonna let them
Speaker 1: do the job? I don't know. And then on the
Speaker 1: other side of that, we've got, you know, Formula one
Speaker 1: where I feel like Aston Martin for years lived off
Speaker 1: the reputation that it got James Bond's car, and now
Speaker 1: I feel like the Formula one cachet might be surpassing that.
Speaker 1: And if they actually do sign Adrian Newey, the veteran
Speaker 1: engineer that is leaving Red Bull, which everyone is saying
Speaker 1: is going to be announced in the next few days,
Speaker 1: that will be a major coup.
Speaker 2: Probably by the time this podcast comes out, it'll be.
Speaker 1: Exactly And remember when we spoke with Zach Brown at
Speaker 1: McLaren and McLaren by the way, is really moving up.
Speaker 1: I mean it's Zach Brown is looking really smart. But
Speaker 1: remember when he said he was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of resumes from Aston Martin.
Speaker 2: Yep, I just think that would turn around in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I think it's so interesting. The
Speaker 2: story of the two Adrians essentially resurrecting Aston Martin would
Speaker 2: be amazing. Just to give our listeners the stats, because
Speaker 2: I'm looking at your story. You have a story out
Speaker 2: on the new V twelve Vanquish eight hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: five horsepower or ps whatever fairness darker translation.
Speaker 1: I never really get that conversion eight.
Speaker 2: Twenty three horsepower, eight hundred and thirty five ps, one
Speaker 2: thousand newton meters of torque so seven hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: seven pound feet of torque out of a five point
Speaker 2: two liter twin TURBOV twelve. I can't wait to drive
Speaker 2: if I get a chance to drive it, and likely
Speaker 2: you will before I do. But if I get a
Speaker 2: chance to drive it, I'll be excited. By the way,
Speaker 2: Barry Ridholts just walked in the studio. You may know
Speaker 2: him from his very successful podcast Masters.
Speaker 1: The most Successful pot Is.
Speaker 3: And it's the oldest one. It's the very loose first one.
Speaker 2: It's also one. I mean I listened to it a lot,
Speaker 2: and frankly, in my day job, I get a lot
Speaker 2: of my intel from just listening to Barry's podcast tonight
Speaker 2: while I'm making dinner.
Speaker 3: I do get some good guests.
Speaker 2: Yes you do. But he's also obviously a car collector.
Speaker 2: He's been on this podcast before, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: to him in a moment in a bit about check
Speaker 2: in his check up, a car that he has customized
Speaker 2: in a way that a lot of people would consider heresy.
Speaker 2: But first I want to get your take. We've been
Speaker 2: talking about Aston Martin.
Speaker 3: And Odd that new That new Aston is just the
Speaker 3: most gorgeous car.
Speaker 2: This is what Hannah's just written.
Speaker 3: Is it not just spectac It's so beefy, it's so muscular.
Speaker 3: It's like everything I've loved about Aston Martin and then some.
Speaker 2: And you loved the Vantage. I remember when the Vantage,
Speaker 2: the New Vantage first came out and you said, man,
Speaker 2: that looks this most beautiful ass.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the F type Jaguar and that
Speaker 3: Vantage have very similar family lineage. There was some at
Speaker 3: one point in time they were both owned by Ford.
Speaker 3: That redesign happened around the same time.
Speaker 2: But oh my, like I feel like the designers have
Speaker 2: been the same, right Hannah, one of the Calumns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Ian has been gone for a few years now,
Speaker 1: and he actually started his own consulting company, but his
Speaker 1: Calum Calum Engineering.
Speaker 2: But his pen is still visible in the designs of today.
Speaker 3: Right, isn't that that F type the coop especially, it's
Speaker 3: every time I see it, it's it's not a There's
Speaker 3: not a lot of them around. There's a handful that
Speaker 3: with a stick, but you can only get the stick
Speaker 3: with the V six, not the V eight.
Speaker 2: Dude, why do what if you have one? Why do
Speaker 2: you My.
Speaker 3: Wife once when we were shopping one, I'm out of
Speaker 3: I am trying to build a garage because I am
Speaker 3: out of space.
Speaker 2: You have cars. You have a C two Corvette, and
Speaker 2: you have an R eight, and you have a number
Speaker 2: of BMW's and six. Right, it's a letter and a number.
Speaker 2: That's all I do is But what car has a
Speaker 2: letter in a number. As long as I've known, you've
Speaker 2: loved the F type and the vantage and you just
Speaker 2: never respect well, you know.
Speaker 1: What about a dB nine you know, I could see
Speaker 1: you and like get a sort of a two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, two thousand.
Speaker 3: And eight, my M six scratches the itch for a
Speaker 3: big heavy GT with a stick shift, six hundred horsepower
Speaker 3: and a convertible top. By the way, that was the
Speaker 3: first quote unquote nice car I bought. And even that
Speaker 3: I couldn't pay retail. I had to buy it off lease,
Speaker 3: and my wife and I flew out to Indiana testro
Speaker 3: of it, signed the papers. It was three years old,
Speaker 3: it was half of new, and then drove home that
Speaker 3: from India. I mean that to me. So so this
Speaker 3: this Aston Martin is spectacular, but so is the price tag.
Speaker 3: And it's a little those of us who can't just
Speaker 3: write endless checks.
Speaker 1: It is expensive for twenty nine is a lot of
Speaker 1: you know what. We should talk about that because I
Speaker 1: think in my story I mentioned that Aston Martin prices
Speaker 1: are four times that of BMW and twice that of Portia,
Speaker 1: and they're doing that on purpose. They're trying to, like
Speaker 1: you said, Matt, increase their margins. But that is that
Speaker 1: You're right, Barry, that is pretty expensive.
Speaker 3: Right If I'm got to follow it up. If I'm
Speaker 3: spending four twenty nine. It's going to be on an
Speaker 3: eight twelve GTS from Ferrari with the retractable top. Not
Speaker 3: that I'm anywhere on their list where I would get one,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But that's what I keep saying about Aston Martin. They
Speaker 1: have some great cars, great options, very good looking. We
Speaker 1: all know this, but my thing has been in the
Speaker 1: segments that they're in. There are so many other options
Speaker 1: for the same price or about the same price.
Speaker 3: Right, And you know, if I'm gonna get a front
Speaker 3: engine V twelve, you could do a lot worse than
Speaker 3: an eight twelve with retractable top.
Speaker 2: I love the twelve, but I mean, yes, it has.
Speaker 3: The classic two light tail lights on each side, which
Speaker 3: other cars like the the F twelve don't have, and
Speaker 3: even some of the I don't remember. I it's a
Speaker 3: four to fifty eight or forty eight, you need those
Speaker 3: twin tail lights. It just reminds me of the Frays
Speaker 3: that I was a fan of as a kid. Once
Speaker 3: they went to one light. It's like, wait, I'm spending
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and I only get
Speaker 3: one tail light on each side. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I had coffee yesterday with a dentist who lives in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Wait, the same dentist or a different.
Speaker 1: Different did this? This is a different This is a
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. This one's a woman. She and she owns
Speaker 1: a eight twelve super Fast. Oh, she tracks it out
Speaker 1: at Thermal and she's done the Gumball Gunball Rally in it.
Speaker 1: And I heard got a very nice speeding ticket in
Speaker 1: it and not get sent to prison, right and loves
Speaker 1: that car. She was telling me about it.
Speaker 3: It's so good looking, not looking.
Speaker 1: That cage incredible.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would track that. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you want to track a Ferrari Go Mint engine.
Speaker 3: This is truly a GT. I don't care if it's
Speaker 3: eight hundred plus horse I.
Speaker 2: Would never track. If I have an eight twelve super Fast,
Speaker 2: I'm buying a used cater I was gonna say it.
Speaker 3: Everybody who has a super Fast has a track car,
Speaker 3: and it's up by Monticello where it's on the grounds
Speaker 3: waiting for you. I don't. I don't. I don't swim
Speaker 3: in those waters. And that dash is spectacular also.
Speaker 2: So this so, by the way, this, uh you mentioned
Speaker 2: your story four hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars for this.
Speaker 1: That's estimated.
Speaker 2: But so even if it's around there like five hundred,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can really compare it with a
Speaker 2: new Ferrari flagship because you can't get one.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You can actually walk in to an Aston Martin dealership
Speaker 2: and actually custom order exactly what you want without having
Speaker 2: to first buy advantage and exactly so that automatically makes
Speaker 2: this so much cheaper. You know, when I bought my
Speaker 2: Chevy truck a couple of years ago, it was I
Speaker 2: think sixty eight grand, but it was since it was
Speaker 2: at the tail end of the pandemic. They had a
Speaker 2: used one on the lot with ten thousand miles and
Speaker 2: it was going for seventy five. And the reason is
Speaker 2: someone who wants it now is willing to pay more
Speaker 2: to walk away with it. And all right, let's let's
Speaker 2: move on to I'll say that you can go to
Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot com and read Hannah's story. By the way,
Speaker 2: you can also shoot us an email with your thoughts
Speaker 2: on Aston Martin because would you buy, well, not only
Speaker 2: which would you buy, but I'm also I'm really interested
Speaker 2: in the company story. Do you believe in this if
Speaker 2: you're a stock investor, and Barry always says, like, you
Speaker 2: would have been much better off rather than buying an
Speaker 2: iPad when they first came out, taking that money and
Speaker 2: buying Apple stock. Right, don't you say that? Barry?
Speaker 3: Say that again? Really texting right now, just shutting my
Speaker 3: phone off last. No, I just came out of the
Speaker 3: studio and my phone is lighting up. I'm like you,
Speaker 3: who is thinking me NonStop all day? You?
Speaker 2: You have always said if you like the iPad, but
Speaker 2: you'd be much better off not buying the iPad, taking
Speaker 2: that thousand dollars in buying Apple stock.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I've said I would say
Speaker 3: said no. Someone about ten years ago created a list
Speaker 3: of every Apple product that has ever come out and said,
Speaker 3: if instead of buying this product you bought Apple stock,
Speaker 3: here's what it would have been worth. So the Macclassic
Speaker 3: that I had in nineteen eighty eight, that would be
Speaker 3: worth like three million dollars if instead of the computer
Speaker 3: I used in grad school, that two thousand dollars is
Speaker 3: worth millions of dollars today. It's kind of it's kind
Speaker 3: of bonkers.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying if people email us at hot
Speaker 2: Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net, I want to get people's
Speaker 2: take on the Aston Martin stock, which is something we
Speaker 2: don't normally talk about in the show, but I think
Speaker 2: it's interesting because of the fact that back in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen it was going for four thousand. This is in
Speaker 2: Pens on the Londonside Change. Now it's going for one,
Speaker 2: fifty one and fifty. It was going for four. Dude,
Speaker 2: if you like this company, if you liked it, then
Speaker 2: you better love it now. And especially if they bring
Speaker 2: in these two new Adrians from Bentley and from Red Bull.
Speaker 2: If those guys are successful and Laurence Stroll manages to
Speaker 2: let them resurrect the company, you could be off to
Speaker 2: the races.
Speaker 1: You could be I mean by low right exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't suppose you've given any thought to Aston Martin
Speaker 2: as an.
Speaker 3: I could tell you. I love Bill Ackman's joke about
Speaker 3: what's the stock that's down ninety percent. It's a stock
Speaker 3: that was down eighty percent and got cut in half,
Speaker 3: and that's I just think that's a genius way of
Speaker 3: looking at the math.
Speaker 2: But then you never make any money buying low Okay,
Speaker 2: it could be a value play, is what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 2: because imagine if this had for.
Speaker 3: It's the market cap one hundred and seventy five million dollars.
Speaker 2: It is one point two five billion pounds.
Speaker 3: How many how many cars do they have to sell
Speaker 3: to to do what? Uh? And what profit margin to
Speaker 3: catch up to what the stock symbol race?
Speaker 1: Yes, Michael Dean, Yeah, right, I mean it's it's.
Speaker 3: Not just hey it's the stock. Just because it was
Speaker 3: higher before and lower now doesn't mean, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Just think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I have no opinion on Aston Martin.
Speaker 2: It could go no, not.
Speaker 3: They're just saying, you know, you have to really look
Speaker 3: into what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I just think Laurence Stroll is a smart guy. He
Speaker 2: didn't get to be a billionaire by accident, and he
Speaker 2: when he does the back of the Napkin math on this,
Speaker 2: he's very convinced.
Speaker 3: How did he get to be a billionaire. I think
Speaker 3: he's a fashion mobile fashion all right, So he's looking
Speaker 3: at aumobiles as an extension of luxury. It's a look,
Speaker 3: I got you, not not a terrible move. It's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting, you know.
Speaker 1: He was the guy. He's Canadian. He was the guy
Speaker 1: behind like Tommy Hill figure Michael Cores. He sort of
Speaker 1: financed those guys back in the day. I think he
Speaker 1: also might have even financed some of Ralph Lauren too.
Speaker 1: But the other thing.
Speaker 3: Who has a spectacular automobile. I was had an opportunity
Speaker 3: about ten years ago to go up to Connecticut with
Speaker 3: a friend who was appraising it. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'll get up there, and I just never I missed
Speaker 3: that opportunity. Oh no, And it kills me because I
Speaker 3: could have.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I would say about the acid Martin
Speaker 1: versus Ferrari thing. You know, yes, Matt, I really love
Speaker 1: your point about you can actually get in Aston Martin.
Speaker 1: But I think on the flip side, people are also
Speaker 1: looking at what am I going to get for it
Speaker 1: when I sell?
Speaker 2: True, of course the depreciation is a huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no comparison. I mean, Ferrari's just hold her
Speaker 1: value or go up.
Speaker 2: Well that's why you wait, isn't there yet? Wait for
Speaker 2: some bitcoin millionaire to pick one up and then go
Speaker 2: bust and buy it from her or him a year later.
Speaker 2: I want to get to Barry's Portia. He was telling
Speaker 2: me and some of the other car fanatics in the office.
Speaker 2: He has been for months, and you've been writing about
Speaker 2: it on your blog, right.
Speaker 3: Yah, I've been doing regular updates.
Speaker 2: So so tell us, tell us the genesis of this story.
Speaker 2: It's a nine to eleven from what the eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, so during the pen right before the pandemic, me
Speaker 3: and a buddy, we're rebuilding a pair of FJ forty
Speaker 3: Toyotas in Colombia and bring him back to the United States.
Speaker 3: And it was so much fun doing that. Then I'm like,
Speaker 3: let me do that with a Porsche. And Bloomberg had
Speaker 3: done a story on motors in Austin, Texas and they
Speaker 3: were one of the early companies doing these EV conversions
Speaker 3: of classic cars. They were mostly doing some trucks. They
Speaker 3: were doing some range Rovers and some like Ford Broncos,
Speaker 3: turning them into EV's And so I'm like, let me
Speaker 3: try that. And so I found an old nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: eight nine to eleven Cabrio that I thought would be
Speaker 3: a great electric car. The previous owner had raced it.
Speaker 3: It had racing harnesses and a roll bar and he
Speaker 3: had all like racing suspension and you know, went for
Speaker 3: relatively cheap as a donor car, and I bring it
Speaker 3: to my local Porsche guy works one in Seacliff, and
Speaker 3: he's like, congratulations, this is a matching numbers M four
Speaker 3: ninety one. I know you said you wanted to tweak it,
Speaker 3: but it's worth double what you paid for it. I
Speaker 3: don't suggest this is the car you destroy. So I
Speaker 3: restored that back to stock. It's just one of these
Speaker 3: classic analog you know. It's funny. The only thing I
Speaker 3: left that the previous owner had done is he had
Speaker 3: taken the three point two into three point four leaders
Speaker 3: the flat six, and it's about two hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: five horse power. It's amazing. By the way, the M
Speaker 3: four ninety one is called the turbo package. It's everything.
Speaker 3: The turbo gives you the fender flares, the whale tail,
Speaker 3: the upgrade suspension, the upgrade breaks, minus the blower. It
Speaker 3: doesn't have a turbo. It's just stock engine power. So
Speaker 3: you're right. So it's not a widow maker. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have that tendency to surprise you mid turn. But so
Speaker 3: I thought my wife would love that car. She's like,
Speaker 3: it's loud, it smells. This is not my she drives
Speaker 3: a stick. She's like, this is not my favorite car
Speaker 3: of yours. So I'm like, all right, now I got
Speaker 3: to do this again. So I start hunting for a
Speaker 3: new Donor car. By the way, with moment Moners, I
Speaker 3: gave them a deposit like three years ago, as a
Speaker 3: year Q is like a year and change to come up.
Speaker 3: So I was the deposit ten grand. That's all. It
Speaker 3: was the deposit.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a pretty steep of course.
Speaker 1: I want to ask how much you're into this.
Speaker 3: I could have walked into a local Porsche dealer and
Speaker 3: bought a brand new nine to eleven s for about
Speaker 3: what this ended up costing, and then where I live
Speaker 3: on the north shore of li Island, it would be
Speaker 3: one of the ten thousand nine to eleven's driving around. Instead,
Speaker 3: I found it still also would have to wait. No
Speaker 3: back then went well.
Speaker 2: I mean now for a careers, I think you're still
Speaker 2: waiting in twenty one.
Speaker 3: This project began in like twenty one, twenty two. It
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as crazy. It was working its way up
Speaker 3: the automobile line. It hadn't quite like.
Speaker 2: It was just that the you mean a nine to
Speaker 2: eleven at twenty twenty two prices or in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: because the prices now have also gotten up substantially.
Speaker 3: At twenty twenty two prices in twenty twenty two. So
Speaker 3: I found this like really good looking lagoon green metallic,
Speaker 3: which is really a light blue three hundred thousand mile
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, so really three hundred thousand miles hundred thousd.
Speaker 3: By the way, the difference between Ferrari owners and Porsche owners.
Speaker 3: Ferrari owners love to talk about how little miles they have.
Speaker 3: Porsche owners are absolutely proud. Yeah, I got two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thir I got three hundred thousand miles. It's fair.
Speaker 3: One hundred thousand mile. Porsches are just getting warmed up
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand mile Ferraris. I don't know if they.
Speaker 2: I think you can. I think you can very easily
Speaker 2: attest to the truth of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, what, what don't.
Speaker 2: You guys have a didn't you pick up.
Speaker 1: A bought We bought a nine to nine seven with
Speaker 1: eighty thousand.
Speaker 2: Miles nothing one hundred, one hundred and eight eighty one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty, one hundred and eighty dollar and it
Speaker 2: still is a great car, right I mean.
Speaker 1: It's, oh yeah, we drove that to Utah in a
Speaker 1: day and fell in love with it.
Speaker 3: Right, It's this. I was actually very so this car.
Speaker 3: I was looking at a nine to nine to seven
Speaker 3: point two, the last of the nine and I'm not
Speaker 3: a Porsche guy. That's the funny thing. The last of
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven turbos with a stick I want
Speaker 3: to say twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: It's twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. And it's also
Speaker 2: the last I think with hydraulic steering.
Speaker 3: So so it was wide over black with red trim, red,
Speaker 3: red seat belts, red stitch.
Speaker 2: It's basically the end of the nine nine to six
Speaker 2: lifespan is the nine nine to seven point two, hich
Speaker 2: is what I think is so cool?
Speaker 3: Right, So, and the way they alternate between what they
Speaker 3: do with the point ones in point two is really
Speaker 3: very clever how they roll different things out. But anyway,
Speaker 3: I started looking at it as a buck and a
Speaker 3: quarter and I kind of dawdled. Then it was a
Speaker 3: buck fifty, then it was a bucks seventy five. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what was going on? This is like during the pandemic
Speaker 3: and before I know if they're asking more than two
Speaker 3: hundred for car that I was like thinking about at
Speaker 3: one a quarter. And that's what kind of sent me,
Speaker 3: you know what, for over for six figures, I could
Speaker 3: get a car that's almost as fast and a lot
Speaker 3: more unique than this. And so that started the process
Speaker 3: of I found a car with three hundred thousand miles
Speaker 3: it had previously been hit.
Speaker 1: Was this a California car? The car that you actually
Speaker 1: I think you, I think I saw you in LA
Speaker 1: and you were on your way.
Speaker 3: No, I ended up not passing on all the California cars.
Speaker 3: This was I want to say.
Speaker 2: It wasn't from the Beverly Hills Car Club.
Speaker 3: No, it was not Constitution. And I saw a lot
Speaker 3: of ratty cars there. And you, by the way you
Speaker 3: look at a bunch of cars, you really kind of
Speaker 3: get a feel for what cars have and like, what
Speaker 3: buttons are you have to check? Oh the button that's
Speaker 3: underneath the dash that adjusts the which marry You're just
Speaker 3: so this car three hundred thousand miles. The front end
Speaker 3: was hit, so it had a bunch of rust on
Speaker 3: the inside. The paint looked great, the interior looked great.
Speaker 3: It was it It was in Connecticut. It had same owner
Speaker 3: for twenty years. Wrong doors, wrong mirrors, wrong steering wheel.
Speaker 1: How much did you pay for this car?
Speaker 3: I want to say about forty eight grand something like that.
Speaker 1: And that's on top of the so no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: That was the nine ninety seven too, right, which you.
Speaker 3: No, No, the little price this car I paid for
Speaker 3: let's call it fifty by the time at tax and shipping,
Speaker 3: and then the hardware and software and labor was just
Speaker 3: about one hundred and what years upgrade there is? This
Speaker 3: is an eighty seven sunroof, delete rear wiper, lagoon, green matille.
Speaker 2: You're fifty grand in this, You pay the ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars deposit, and then you ship it down to Austin.
Speaker 3: Right down to Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: Which and then this is twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: No, no, the the deposit is twenty twenty, late twenty one.
Speaker 3: So I'm supposed to be up in the queue. Maybe
Speaker 3: it was early twenty two when I'm supposed to be
Speaker 3: up with a few early twenty twenty three. And then
Speaker 3: I actually was having fun driving this car around as
Speaker 3: a gasoline. The first thing I had to do one
Speaker 3: of the fuel inject.
Speaker 2: You don't say you really enjoyed driving around to Porsche
Speaker 2: to so.
Speaker 3: Let me point out for people who think Porsches of
Speaker 3: from Night from the eighties or Porsches today. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: weighed twenty five hundred pounds, but it's two hundred horse
Speaker 3: power and I would get smoked if I would race
Speaker 3: a CenTra at a red light. These are slow, their momentum,
Speaker 3: beautiful cars.
Speaker 1: They reward good driving.
Speaker 3: They were There's no doubt about it. The steering in
Speaker 3: that car continues to astonish me. How great it is.
Speaker 3: All right, at five miles an hour, you're you know
Speaker 3: you're using.
Speaker 1: So if you loved it, Barry, then why change it?
Speaker 1: And this is really well, it needed a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff fiction if you loved it so much when you're driving,
Speaker 1: it would So that's what an electric motor.
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a second, Let's point out that he
Speaker 2: already had bought one eighties and kept and I kept it.
Speaker 3: My plan was not to accumulate a bunch of nine
Speaker 3: to elevens, but the M four ninety one Cabrio, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, it's always amazing when I have this
Speaker 3: fantastic detailer slash. I got a wrap shop.
Speaker 2: I gotta get to that guy that that.
Speaker 3: First of all, they compounded the M four ninety one,
Speaker 3: which is just.
Speaker 2: Just tell me what town does the detailer in?
Speaker 3: Locus Valley? All right, I got it, and and so
Speaker 3: so the paint kind of came to life. It looked terrible,
Speaker 3: and so I didn't have to repaint that. They steam
Speaker 3: cleaned the leather with blue piping blue above the belt line.
Speaker 3: And suddenly this M for ninety one nine to eleven
Speaker 3: cabrio that I think I was into for like sixty five.
Speaker 2: Grand is a right.
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty five or one hundred and forty thousand.
Speaker 2: Get you get your dream, You get your dream cab
Speaker 2: and that stays gas. So this this new three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars eighty seven, three hundred thousand, three thousand thousand
Speaker 2: dollars car, you shut it down to Austin. I want
Speaker 2: to get to that before.
Speaker 3: But before I ship it down to Austin, I replace
Speaker 3: the brake lines, I have the steering service. And what
Speaker 3: comes back is, hey, you're gonna need a new clutch
Speaker 3: on this. The engine's gonna need an overhaul if you
Speaker 3: want to keep this car the way it is. I
Speaker 3: know you paid fifty grand for it, but you really
Speaker 3: need another twenty thirty thousand dollars worth of.
Speaker 2: Work, so you're gonna have to do it anyway.
Speaker 1: Would have been less than right electric.
Speaker 3: Let's cut in half. Let's say it needed fifteen to
Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars worth of way. No one's buying a
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand miles nine to eleven, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: pour because you know, if the estimates ten to fifteen,
Speaker 3: you know in reality you're twenty twenty five. You have
Speaker 3: to always build in a buffer on estimates. So this
Speaker 3: is a car that was gonna get used for parts.
Speaker 3: No one was gonna put the money in.
Speaker 2: So you send it down to Austin.
Speaker 3: So before I do that, I redo, I clean, I
Speaker 3: really do a compound in color correction on your never
Speaker 3: get to aust I put stripes on it, I put
Speaker 3: the career on the side. Then I send it down
Speaker 3: to Austin June twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: And June twenty twenty three, and you just got it
Speaker 2: back basically a year later.
Speaker 3: The beginning of end of July twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: And how happy were you with Moment Motors in terms
Speaker 1: of their communication.
Speaker 3: Communication is fantastic. The guys over there are amazing.
Speaker 2: They give.
Speaker 3: First of all, you get a private website where they're
Speaker 3: constantly updating the site things. Every time they do something,
Speaker 3: they're telling you about it every time. They like. So
Speaker 3: they're the ones that said, hey, you know this repair
Speaker 3: that was done on the rust in the front, this
Speaker 3: is where a couple hundred pounds of battery's going to go.
Speaker 3: We don't think this is what's this going to cost?
Speaker 3: A couple of thought?
Speaker 2: All right, so do that.
Speaker 3: And then after they replaced the whole floor pan basically
Speaker 3: in the front.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, by the way, I have no spare tire, and
Speaker 3: I'm surprised I can't.
Speaker 2: So it's a year.
Speaker 3: I'm getting regular updates and it's like I was kind
Speaker 3: of hoping to have a back and by may or June,
Speaker 3: and you know, lots of lots of little things. So
Speaker 3: originally Felton Motors is the company that makes the all
Speaker 3: the software and adapts the Tesla engine and they recreate
Speaker 3: the five gauge traditional Porsche set of dials that you see.
Speaker 3: They're modern and updated. I instead of having attack, I
Speaker 3: have a kilo loot consumption, instead of having a gas
Speaker 3: gauge I have. Here's how much charge you have. You know,
Speaker 3: it's funny, it's the same thing, but they're all different.
Speaker 3: You kind of have to I'm used to just kind
Speaker 3: of glancing down at the tack and usually have a
Speaker 3: sense of my speed in those cars, so that just
Speaker 3: the weight increase. I went from twenty five hundred to
Speaker 3: a little over twenty eight hundred, so you gained about
Speaker 3: three and a quarter in pounds. But you go from
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen to almost four hundred horse power.
Speaker 3: You're about four hundred. You're three forty until you hit
Speaker 3: the sport button and then you're three ninety five in
Speaker 3: horsepower something like that.
Speaker 2: So you did though, I know you overhauled the suspension.
Speaker 3: You had to because it was sitting a little low.
Speaker 3: And so it's funny. When I first got the Cabrio,
Speaker 3: it had a race suspension and you felt every bump.
Speaker 3: All you felt the dotted lines on the road. Standard
Speaker 3: is pretty cushy, like believe it or not, those eighties
Speaker 3: ear Of Porsches were semi luxury cars. They're very comfortable.
Speaker 3: This is now halfway between stock and what that race cat.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get all the work you had done.
Speaker 3: Suspension isn't bad you put you know, that's two grand.
Speaker 3: The new tires were two grand, the floor plan was
Speaker 3: four grand.
Speaker 2: And then steering.
Speaker 3: Was you know, all that stuff was when I first
Speaker 3: got the car, I put about five grand into Let's
Speaker 3: check the brakes. Let's see if we need to replace
Speaker 3: the brake lines. Let's look at all the all the
Speaker 3: light bulbs that needed to be replaced, all the all
Speaker 3: the fuses like they my guys went through through it,
Speaker 3: and you know.
Speaker 1: For about our region brakes.
Speaker 3: So here this is so once you get the car
Speaker 3: back and you start learning how to drive it. So
Speaker 3: first I don't have a pure EV My other electrics
Speaker 3: are hybrid. I have my wife's Panama four S is
Speaker 3: a hybrid. So the region is really you don't feel
Speaker 3: it very much. This is set as mild region that
Speaker 3: you can adjust, can or cannot cannot, And I mean
Speaker 3: it can be adjusted through software, but it's not like
Speaker 3: a little switch.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: I can't adjust it the way you cannot Tesla or
Speaker 3: or a Hyundai Ionic five. But it's a little weird
Speaker 3: because when you take your foot off the accelerator, you
Speaker 3: continue to coast, you touch the brake pedal and it
Speaker 3: kind of doesn't do a whole lot for ten twenty travel,
Speaker 3: It's like, what's going on here. It's not until you
Speaker 3: get to thirty five to forty percent down that the
Speaker 3: calibers kick in. So if you want to stop, you
Speaker 3: really got to mash on the brakes. That was a
Speaker 3: little bit of a learning variance. I had the car
Speaker 3: out on Saturday. It had just drizzled, and I learned,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna stomp on the accelerator, make sure the
Speaker 3: tires are facing forward. Because I'm at the inter three
Speaker 3: way intersection. It's early in the morning, no one's around,
Speaker 3: and I kind of I don't even put it to
Speaker 3: the carpet. I just kind of stomp on a little bit,
Speaker 3: and the next thing I know, the tail is passing
Speaker 3: me on the right, and you know, you just flick
Speaker 3: your wrists to the right and you catch it and
Speaker 3: kind of regain control. But it's like, okay, little learning
Speaker 3: lesson there. I mentioned the steering is very precise over
Speaker 3: ten miles an hour. It's really Hannah, you have a
Speaker 3: lot of experience with those older nine events. That steering
Speaker 3: is surprisingly good for a car from that era right
Speaker 3: like fun. It's like, oh my, I can't believe how
Speaker 3: precise and how quick.
Speaker 1: To react to is the steering wheel and go.
Speaker 3: But here's kind of what I learned. It corners relatively flat,
Speaker 3: as a little leaning, but not a lot. You've gone
Speaker 3: from I don't know, sixty five to thirty five to
Speaker 3: closer to fifty to fifty, and you've lowered the center
Speaker 3: of gravity because of the batteries and where the motor
Speaker 3: is on the rear axle. But when you step on
Speaker 3: the accelerator, the mass shifts back on the rear wheels.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't describe it as floating. Those cars have a
Speaker 3: little bit of understeer naturally. At least that's how this
Speaker 3: car feels to me. I don't know if the Tabrio
Speaker 3: does talk.
Speaker 1: To us about the range and the charging time.
Speaker 3: So my wife's Panama charger is the exact same charger,
Speaker 3: and I insisted on charging in the same place on
Speaker 3: the front left fender where the gas fill is nice.
Speaker 1: It's nostalgia.
Speaker 3: First of all, anytime you flip that open and show
Speaker 3: people their heads, they just explode. But second, it takes
Speaker 3: almost no time in older charge, I use it what
Speaker 3: is that five hours? I don't know. I don't even
Speaker 3: pay attention when it's when it's by the way, when
Speaker 3: when the motor came to Texas, they ran a set
Speaker 3: of oil cool cooling for the motor, and maybe because
Speaker 3: it was in Texas so hot, they decided to add
Speaker 3: a second set. Didn't charge me for that, But so
Speaker 3: it's got dual twice the amount of cooling. Hopefully we
Speaker 3: avoid that Tesla bursting into fire sort of thing. So
Speaker 3: two and a quarter if you're driving, you know, reasonably,
Speaker 3: if you're a hoolian, it's probably half of that buck
Speaker 3: fifty something like that. I mean, I haven't even gotten
Speaker 3: down to fifty percent, you know of battery charge yet
Speaker 3: I take it down to you know, sixty five sixty.
Speaker 2: You even had much time with this car yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first few weeks I had a hard time
Speaker 3: getting in and out of it. Now I'm much more
Speaker 3: mobile and I'm getting in and out of the car.
Speaker 3: So I've spent this weekend and last weekend kind of
Speaker 3: putting it through its paces. And first of all, it's
Speaker 3: weird how quiet it is on the high on the road.
Speaker 3: I haven't put taken it on the highway yet, but
Speaker 3: I've been on you know, fifty mile an hour roads
Speaker 3: you get to eighty super quick. Like I haven't tested
Speaker 3: zero to sixty. But some guy in an M fifty
Speaker 3: I was messing around with me on the road yesterday,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, see, yuh, it's always funny to like,
Speaker 3: I wish I could see this guy's face. And my
Speaker 3: rear license plate is even nine to eleven. So anyone
Speaker 3: who's paying attention will will figure this out.
Speaker 2: So my two questions are, how much, assuming that you
Speaker 2: didn't have to do the other work that was you
Speaker 2: would have had to do anyway, how much did the
Speaker 2: conversion cost when all is said.
Speaker 3: And done, I'm gonna tell you by the time you're
Speaker 3: done with everything, and anytime you're anytime you are dealing listen,
Speaker 3: you know I have a bunch of old cars, right,
Speaker 3: anytime you're dealing with a car from the sixty seventies, eighties,
Speaker 3: if it's not this, it's that it always is going
Speaker 3: to require something. Right, So whether that's ten twenty thirty grand,
Speaker 3: it's gonna cost you something. The donut car is going
Speaker 3: to cost you something. Assume you're choosing between this or
Speaker 3: a new nine to eleven. That's pretty much how it prices.
Speaker 2: Out and how much and and how how do you
Speaker 2: feel about this car next to the M four ninety
Speaker 2: one cab, Like, so the.
Speaker 3: Beauty of the the gas car, like the beauty of
Speaker 3: that is that is the car like when I was
Speaker 3: growing up. I'm a little older than you. When I
Speaker 3: was growing up, that was the poster half the guy's.
Speaker 2: Having dude for me too, the whale tail and everything
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 3: And in fact, I vividly recall an episode of Seinfeld
Speaker 3: that's the poster on his wall of the coop. Only
Speaker 3: I'm gonna assume that's a nine thirty, not an M
Speaker 3: four ninety one. It's a real turbo, but that car
Speaker 3: is I remember the ed campaign kills Bugs Fast from
Speaker 3: and it was just again, I'm not a crazy poor skuy.
Speaker 3: I don't think of this as blasphemy. This is a
Speaker 3: car I rescued that was going to the part spin.
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like there's any blaspheme here.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I.
Speaker 3: Just rescued another car that you know, needed rescuing and
Speaker 3: was restored back to literally original factory stock. So I
Speaker 3: have a little cred amongst the local, Yes, nine to
Speaker 3: eleven crews, He's okay, he's saved that other car.
Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm just wondering if you like
Speaker 2: one better, like do you? Or are they two totally separate.
Speaker 3: Things so different? So if you want to know what
Speaker 3: it's like to experience a truly analog car from the
Speaker 3: nineties that was well built and in its day was
Speaker 3: one of the faster cars on the road, faster, not fastest,
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven is a blast in eighties or
Speaker 3: nine to eleven they look the part you don't realize
Speaker 3: most people don't realize new nine to eleven's like twice
Speaker 3: the size of the old ones. If you go out
Speaker 3: and buy a CA Hayman or a Boxter, which is
Speaker 3: the convertible version, they're the size of the eighties era
Speaker 3: nine elevens. That's how relatively small these are. They're small,
Speaker 3: they're nimble, they handle great. They're just fun cars. By
Speaker 3: the way, anywhere I take the M four ninety one,
Speaker 3: somebody always stops me and says something.
Speaker 1: I would just say, from my observation of this conversation,
Speaker 1: you like the M four nine to one better because
Speaker 1: you're talking about that far.
Speaker 3: More well he just asked about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he said, which do you like? He kind of.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had that car for two years, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm barely two weeks into this car,
Speaker 3: and I just took it to a place in Port
Speaker 3: Washington to talk about I want, in fact, now that
Speaker 3: it's funny you're here, one of Mangnus's cars inspired me.
Speaker 3: I took this to an interior shop because I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go even more retro with this. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: add a tartan plaid to the seat inserts and along
Speaker 3: the uh and I need love. The carpets need to
Speaker 3: be replaced. That's right. The sort of bluish whitish. You
Speaker 3: know that color If you look up lagoon green metallic,
Speaker 3: it's really a light blue. It's tough to find a
Speaker 3: tartan that matches it. And I thought those stripes were fun,
Speaker 3: and I thought, uh, the Correra script, I really wanted
Speaker 3: to personalize it.
Speaker 2: You have to. I'm just looking just for the listeners.
Speaker 2: Barry's blog, which is called The Big Picture. The U
Speaker 2: r L is Ritholtz dot com, so you can see this,
Speaker 2: you can see all of this. I just want to
Speaker 2: say that if I some if something happens, Barry where
Speaker 2: I make it into your will and I can only
Speaker 2: have one of these cars, I just think I want
Speaker 2: the M four ninety one. Yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: It's a very different experience, by the way.
Speaker 2: But I want to come to come to your house.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have no idea. How much, how grateful, how
Speaker 3: much I appreciate the fact that I bought a internal
Speaker 3: combustion engine nine to eleven thinking I would convert it,
Speaker 3: ended up restoring it. But he had a roll bar,
Speaker 3: so all right, when you roll over, at least you
Speaker 3: know you're only the top of your head gets cut off.
Speaker 3: You don't just and then the bit there's the.
Speaker 2: You basically fell into a great investment with the end by.
Speaker 3: Accident, by total accident. I thought, I thought it would
Speaker 3: be my wife's summer car, and she's like, no, I
Speaker 3: like the Panama better. Okay, And then this pro I
Speaker 3: already had put the deposit down, so I had to
Speaker 3: find another car. And this is just a totally different animal.
Speaker 3: And the ability to have both of these and to
Speaker 3: do a compare and contrast. If you click this, you'll
Speaker 3: see they're both side by side. Scroll down do I have.
Speaker 2: A picture of both. Yeah, so that is the picture
Speaker 2: of so gorgeous dude. But so you could see the
Speaker 2: eighty eight.
Speaker 3: And by the way, it looks better than that. I
Speaker 3: the paint is better today, the interior is better today.
Speaker 3: But the ability to say, all right, what what an
Speaker 3: incredible luxury? How I can't begin to mention how how
Speaker 3: this guy, who's not a nine to eleven mutant, not
Speaker 3: a freak about it, suddenly ends up with two spectacular.
Speaker 1: Nine to elevens. If somebody offered you one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars for it right now, would you sell it.
Speaker 3: For the cabrio?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, that's a break even.
Speaker 3: Why on earth would I do that? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to kind of thought, you might say, no.
Speaker 3: Under absolutely not. Not only. First of all, it's two
Speaker 3: plus years. That's the Tartan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you scroll down hand and you can see
Speaker 2: the Tartan choices, the So not only did.
Speaker 3: It take two years, I'm just beginning to learn it.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting a feel for it.
Speaker 1: So you're you're like, you're actually interested. This isn't oh yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, this is do you have the same. Do
Speaker 2: you have the same Fuchsfelden. Do you have the same wheels?
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the wheels that are on each of
Speaker 3: those cars. Of course I have those sixteen inch I
Speaker 3: will tell you the Cabrio has much fatter rubber on that,
Speaker 3: and I looked into replacing that. I mean, those are
Speaker 3: brand new conties on the electric. But I'm like, this
Speaker 3: car could really use some fatter rubber. And actually the
Speaker 3: rubber isn't the weakest link in that. I want to say,
Speaker 3: the brakes are probably the weakest link. Like I am,
Speaker 3: I drive that car very defense, but every time I
Speaker 3: get a new car, I drive it defensively until I
Speaker 3: really learn its limits. This thing is just and we're
Speaker 3: going to see this problem in evs and Ford Lightnings
Speaker 3: and and one of my workmates just got a new
Speaker 3: Rivian suv and he's a big car guy, also Jay
Speaker 3: in my office, and he's like, this thing is so
Speaker 3: giant and so heavy and so fast. It's stunning. And
Speaker 3: I think we need to put carbon brakes on everything,
Speaker 3: because when you have a sixty these are three and
Speaker 3: four ton vehicles with eight hundred horsepower. People going to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the well, the Corvette E Ray has
Speaker 2: carbon brakes for that reason, because I mean, all right,
Speaker 2: that's all we have time for on that.
Speaker 3: We have to get to my pleasure. When you come out, Hannah,
Speaker 3: I will bring I'd love to drive it. Which whichever
Speaker 3: one you wanna or both. If you come out to
Speaker 3: the Burbs, we we can. You can work your way
Speaker 3: through the whole fleet.
Speaker 2: Barry, thank you so much for that. We gotta cover
Speaker 2: a couple of other topics here, but I I'm so
Speaker 2: glad I ran into you today and that you got
Speaker 2: this project complete, because we've been hearing about it for
Speaker 2: a long time, excited.
Speaker 3: To say, bring the Vanquish and we'll swap fine fair
Speaker 3: love it Burier Holts.
Speaker 2: You can check out his blog again at ritholts dot
Speaker 2: com The Big Picture, and definitely listen to Masters in Business.
Speaker 2: I listen to it every time a new episode It's
Speaker 2: Fabulous comes out. All right, I want to talk about
Speaker 2: a couple of other Uh. I guess I don't think
Speaker 2: lower end is right for the Mercedes, the box, the
Speaker 2: babble story we don't really need to say much about right,
Speaker 2: the fact that they Bulbo has.
Speaker 1: Scaled back their ev target.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're gonna see a lot more
Speaker 2: carmakers doing this. We've already seen a few do it.
Speaker 1: We've seen pretty much every automaker do it, from Volkswagen
Speaker 1: to General Motors to Stilantis to Mercedes to Ford.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Fulvo is simply the latest in a long, long, long list.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think it's really a surprise,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it means that we're not headed
Speaker 2: still towards an ev future.
Speaker 1: They all say it's still going to happen. It's just
Speaker 1: a little bit more fluid and not as quickly.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a huge ship. You can't turn this
Speaker 2: thing around.
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's part of It's like how fast
Speaker 1: can you pivot?
Speaker 2: And by the way, we're we don't really need to
Speaker 2: cover it. But the Folkswagen story that's unfolding in Germany
Speaker 2: is in that they are going to for the first
Speaker 2: time in their eighty seven year history close, or at
Speaker 2: least Oliver Blooma wants to close a German factory. This
Speaker 2: is so important in a country where I think at
Speaker 2: least four hundred thousand Germans are employed by Volkswagen or
Speaker 2: one of the brands that Folkswagen owns, and of course
Speaker 2: in Germany they have a different kind of ownership system
Speaker 2: where the union occupies half of the supervisory board, so
Speaker 2: the workers have a real say in what happens to
Speaker 2: the business. And Volkswagen has had a string of CEOs
Speaker 2: who have had trouble dealing with this system in these unions.
Speaker 2: You know, Herbert Diese was the last one to essentially
Speaker 2: get thrown out by the unions not wanting him to
Speaker 2: make big changes. Bluma came in and I thought honeymoon
Speaker 2: is over there because he's talking about shutting down businesses
Speaker 2: in Germany. This is at a time when Chinese competitors
Speaker 2: are coming in and just dunking on them in terms
Speaker 2: of affordable you know, quality electric vehicles, and it's I mean,
Speaker 2: it ripples into politics in a way that basically a
Speaker 2: far right winging party, the Alternative for deutsch Land, has
Speaker 2: won the elections of Turing in one of the German states,
Speaker 2: beating out all other comers, and it's coming in second
Speaker 2: in a lot of other states. So this sort of
Speaker 2: economic breakdown, yes, is leading to an economic breakdown. Inflation
Speaker 2: and low cost competition from China is destroying the German
Speaker 2: economy and that is pushing them to extremes in terms
Speaker 2: of politics on the right and really on the left.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into it because it's a
Speaker 2: car podcast, but I highly it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very cool to have your perspective on
Speaker 1: that as someone who lived in Germany and is very
Speaker 1: close to that.
Speaker 2: I mean, such a deep, deep story. Out of Germany
Speaker 2: comes a car that I have fallen in love with,
Speaker 2: and really I'm really shocked too. Frankly, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the Mercedes Clee and the four fifty is the one
Speaker 2: that both of us have driven. Now, yes, i'll practice
Speaker 2: this well, I'll preface this by saying that a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago I had the Mercedes AMGSL sixty three,
Speaker 2: which is essentially like the big version of it. Yes right, Yes,
Speaker 2: that has a twin turbo V eight and a two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars price tag. And I really didn't like
Speaker 2: it at all. I thought it was I didn't like
Speaker 2: the way it looked because I had to compare it
Speaker 2: to the old AMGGTS, which is the most beautiful car
Speaker 2: Mercedes has built in you know, decades, and it is
Speaker 2: dead now. I didn't like the way it felt. It
Speaker 2: wasn't super comfortable, the suspension was bouncy. I didn't like
Speaker 2: the motor, even though it was a V eight, it
Speaker 2: didn't really sound that great and it was super laggy.
Speaker 2: At least it felt like that to me. I'm not
Speaker 2: a pro.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about the AMGSL sixty three, Yes from Mercedes.
Speaker 2: Yes, I really, I really wasn't into it.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked.
Speaker 2: I spent a week driving it, and you know.
Speaker 1: I drove it in twenty I think that's no.
Speaker 2: No, this is brand new. This one is just this
Speaker 2: is a new version of that. So it's a four seater, it's.
Speaker 1: A even though it's a two door drove four seater.
Speaker 2: And it's an all wheel drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess you guys have much earlier look
Speaker 2: than I did.
Speaker 1: Well, that's when it came out. But I remember, I
Speaker 1: think in obviously I haven't. I didn't drive it last week,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember thinking any of those things. Obviously
Speaker 1: it's curvier and heavier than.
Speaker 2: The I mean, I you know what, a lot of
Speaker 2: people really liked it. I think the straight pipes, you know,
Speaker 2: Urine Jacob, they liked it I believe they drove the
Speaker 2: hard top version, which is like the new AMGGT. Sure,
Speaker 2: but it's the same car as the SL sixty three Roadster,
Speaker 2: except it as a hard top. I just thought, you
Speaker 2: know what, for two hundred grand, I don't want something
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound amazing. I don't want something that has
Speaker 2: bouncy sort of luxury suspension, even though it is a
Speaker 2: luxury vehicle. I want it to be more precise. I
Speaker 2: don't want something that's laggy. I want something that's you know,
Speaker 2: got instant acceleration and very responsible. The CLE. So the
Speaker 2: CLE is okay, obviously much cheaper you can get into
Speaker 2: it for seventy grand.
Speaker 1: And a little bit more bland and look.
Speaker 2: I think it's better looking. So and I don't love
Speaker 2: the new Mercedes design language. They look like a like
Speaker 2: a horizontally placed convex banana. All those cars look like
Speaker 2: banana cars. But I think the CLE is really good looking.
Speaker 2: Now that could be. You know, I didn't just fall
Speaker 2: out of a coconut tree, as Kamala says. I exist
Speaker 2: in the context of all in which I live and
Speaker 2: what came before me. But maybe because I spent time
Speaker 2: with the AMGSL sixty three. Now I'm more used to
Speaker 2: that design language and now I can appreciate. But I
Speaker 2: think the CLA looks better, a lot better. It could
Speaker 2: also be because the one I have is in this
Speaker 2: beautiful red. It's called Patagonia Red Metallic. It's actually called
Speaker 2: manufactur Patagonia red Metallic. By the way, that's a German
Speaker 2: word that just translates into factory, and Mercedes and Porsche
Speaker 2: both use it as like a high margin.
Speaker 1: Like exclusive optional factor I.
Speaker 2: Know, but exclusive factory.
Speaker 1: Exclusive manufacturer, which is German for exclusive, yesure.
Speaker 2: I anyway, the color is beautiful, but I feel like
Speaker 2: the responsiveness is so much better, even though it only
Speaker 2: has an inline six, but it's got a mild hybrid
Speaker 2: forty old mild hybrid system. The sound is much better,
Speaker 2: even though the sound is fake.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, how can you say that, Matt,
Speaker 1: How can you know we're literally looking at this car.
Speaker 1: This is the car last week that I literally walked
Speaker 1: past in the parking garage looking for my car quote
Speaker 1: unquote for the week, and it was this and I
Speaker 1: walked past it. It's so bland. It was blue. I
Speaker 1: think it was manufacturer blue. It's a fine car. It's fine.
Speaker 1: The perfect word for it is mild. It's mild.
Speaker 2: I mean this is This is an example of where
Speaker 2: two people can have very different opinions. For me, I
Speaker 2: think it's great looking. I think the seats are so comfortable,
Speaker 2: and I think the interior is so elegantly laid out.
Speaker 2: It has everything you need and nothing you don't. Normally,
Speaker 2: I would hate a car that only has a screen
Speaker 2: and no buttons, but this, for some reason works. The
Speaker 2: new m Bux system is amazing. I like the steering wheel.
Speaker 2: Nobody else likes the steering wheel with the touch controls.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you enjoyed adjusting the volume
Speaker 1: dragging your thumb.
Speaker 2: I will say I haven't really listened to music on
Speaker 2: the stereo because I like the fake engine noise so much.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Matt, Oh God, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Regret saying I feel like this No Sugar thing is
Speaker 1: not good for.
Speaker 2: I'm not eting Sugar since Sunday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a bad car. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a fine car. I'm just shocked that you're like
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. Well it's a fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's so so much fun to drive.
Speaker 2: I like these big GT coops or coupe By the way,
Speaker 2: you should email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot
Speaker 2: net and tell me if it's coop or coupey. Is
Speaker 2: it coop or coupey.
Speaker 1: If you walk around saying coupey in the US, you're
Speaker 1: gonna look like an idiot.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. The thing is pretty heavy, right, it's
Speaker 2: over four thousand pounds, but it has three hundred and
Speaker 2: I think three hundred and seventy five horse powers.
Speaker 1: Years sixty and over six seconds.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, that's
Speaker 2: the you're looking at the three hundred. This is the
Speaker 2: four fifty. Is zero to sixty and I think four
Speaker 2: point two four.
Speaker 1: Point two seconds quick.
Speaker 2: No. But it's not a sports car. It's like a
Speaker 2: luxury GT. And so for me, Look, I'm driving in
Speaker 2: on the Sawmill to the Henry Hudson at five o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning. There's like no place for cops to hide,
Speaker 2: so you can do super legal speeds pretty much the
Speaker 2: whole way. And it's a great car for that commute.
Speaker 2: I mean super comfy seats. By the way, I'm six
Speaker 2: to three and all leg I don't fit in almost
Speaker 2: any car unless the seats all the way back. This
Speaker 2: is one of the few cars that I could actually
Speaker 2: have to move the seat forward to ride.
Speaker 1: I agree, love it.
Speaker 2: And the motor. I'm as shocked as you are. I'm
Speaker 2: a total diehard V eight lover. This thing is an
Speaker 2: in line six and therein lies my one issue with it.
Speaker 2: So basically the way it's configured. I have it for
Speaker 2: I'm testing it for eighty thousand dollars. For eighty thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you could also buy a BMWM four, which is much
Speaker 2: more of a weapon. Right, yes, but then again, this
Speaker 2: is a car. Maybe you don't want a weapon. Maybe
Speaker 2: you just want to commute from.
Speaker 1: Me, like a very nice car, like very mild nice.
Speaker 2: All right, you know, well, I like it.
Speaker 1: I do think the starting prize for the for the
Speaker 1: Inline four, which is like sixty three, I think the three. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Like it's an entry level, it's
Speaker 1: a mass luxury, it's a it's a mass produced I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, Inline four. I feel like you've kind of
Speaker 2: given up on life at that point.
Speaker 1: How can you say that there's there's not a big
Speaker 1: difference between this mild hybrid six and inline dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the inline six is an amazing
Speaker 2: engine configuration. It's one of the great engine configurations. And
Speaker 2: in line four unless it's an Alfa Romeo four C
Speaker 2: I like the Inline four in the BMW five thirty.
Speaker 1: I guess, but I'm just so surprised.
Speaker 2: Uh, just quickly tell me what you're doing next week.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm I'm doing next week and
Speaker 2: then we'll wrap.
Speaker 1: On Saturday, I am traveling to Luxembourg to drive the
Speaker 1: Doce Chillandry, the twelve cylinder Ferrari.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, You're going to Luxembourg to drive a Ferrari. Yes,
Speaker 2: you live the lights.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm I'm blessed. Blessed, No, I hate that term.
Speaker 2: By God.
Speaker 1: I'm really happy to go. It should be fun. I
Speaker 1: hope that I can get enough information to help everyone
Speaker 1: else learn whether they should buy it. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Well? Next week, I'm going to Singer presentation. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what it is, but Singer is going to
Speaker 2: be here in New York City and Grangich Village, and
Speaker 2: I have never seen a singer in real life. So
Speaker 2: I have the turbocharged Tour is what it's called.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna essentially be Barry's car, Barrie's M four ninety one,
Speaker 2: but with a turbocharged motor and obviously highly modified. I'm excited,
Speaker 2: super excited to see a singer for the first time.
Speaker 2: Obviously a car I will never Probably you don't, that's true.
Speaker 2: It could become a bitcoin billionaire.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy out here on the West
Speaker 1: Coast that just won the biggest Powerball payout. I believe
Speaker 1: who's been buying cars lately. He should get a singer
Speaker 1: that could be you.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see that. Here in New York City,
Speaker 2: there's a Ducatti meet up that I'm excited for here.
Speaker 2: And then Indian has come out with an all new Scout.
Speaker 2: I know this is a cars podcast, but Indian.
Speaker 1: I love the Scout.
Speaker 2: It's a great it's like such a great platform for Indian. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm more of a chief guy.
Speaker 1: Well, yes you are.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited to drive this new Scout and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get one to test out for a week, so
Speaker 2: I'm looking very much forward. The dozens of listeners that
Speaker 2: we have should definitely email us. We've been getting some
Speaker 2: really cool starting, some really cool conversation, so hot pursuit
Speaker 2: at Bloomberg dot Net. Me and Hannah right back usually
Speaker 2: straight away. And we've got some cool guests coming up.
Speaker 1: We've got Chris Body, the trumpeter, who's really extremely cool,
Speaker 1: world renowned, has toured with everybody, including Frank Sinatra. He's
Speaker 1: actually a big car guy and he lives he had
Speaker 1: it well, he lives many places, but he's got a
Speaker 1: place at Thermal Track and so we're going to talk
Speaker 1: to him about his life and cars. He's got some
Speaker 1: other cool cars on order, so that'll be really fun.
Speaker 2: Having house at Thermal would be I mean, you might
Speaker 2: know a few people will talk.
Speaker 1: To him about that.
Speaker 2: I think it's such a cool idea. And I've never
Speaker 2: been to a track where people have houses and garage
Speaker 2: set up, and so you know, we talked to Lake Bell,
Speaker 2: her dad set up I think New Jersey Motorsports Park
Speaker 2: like that kind of or he set up vir right,
Speaker 2: which is cool, I should say. I also have Ali
Speaker 2: Javidan from Range Energy lined up. I don't know when,
Speaker 2: but I talked to his people today on the actual telephone,
Speaker 2: and this guy has been like, uh, he's worked. He
Speaker 2: started I think at his first big job at Tesla,
Speaker 2: but he's been all over the place and he knows
Speaker 2: everything about suspension. Is a huge Porsche guy. So he'll
Speaker 2: be coming on at some point. And then you are
Speaker 2: you gonna tell? Are you gonna say? The CEO?
Speaker 1: Yes, Chris Brownridge, the new CEO of Rolls Royce, will
Speaker 1: be coming on and we will have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun talking with him about all of his new plans.
Speaker 1: You know, he's following in big footsteps from mister Torston
Speaker 1: Mueller Oatbos who was there for I think thirteen years,
Speaker 1: So Chris has got his work cut out from.
Speaker 2: But I'll never forget the first time I dro drove
Speaker 2: a Rolls Royce Ghost with Torsten.
Speaker 1: How did that go?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's my all time favorite car, so.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my number one. Wow, the old one, the
Speaker 2: Ghost too, from the like twenty tens. All right, cool,
Speaker 2: that's all for us this week. We'll be back, same time,
Speaker 2: same place next week. I'm Matt Miller and.
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott. And this is Bloomberg