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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: hot pursuit.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually super excited today, Hannah, because I can tell

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Speaker 2: by the shirt we have. Yes, I'm wearing my Grateful

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Speaker 2: Dead tribute shirt. May eighth, nineteen seventy seven, the greatest

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Speaker 2: show ever recorded. A lot of people would say at

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Speaker 2: Barton Hall in Cornell, or maybe it wasn't recorded, maybe

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Speaker 2: it was a CIA mind experiment. But anyway, I still

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Speaker 2: listened to that concert over and over and over, you know,

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Speaker 2: like thirty five years later since I started listening to Dead,

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Speaker 2: and I hope that you at some point get a

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Speaker 2: chance to listen to the Dead and Cornell.

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Speaker 1: I think that I did. I spent a week in

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Speaker 1: listening to random Grateful Dead songs, but in your honor,

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Speaker 1: it didn't take. It really didn't take. But I need

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Speaker 1: to try again.

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Speaker 2: I think you would if you listen to this record,

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Speaker 2: and especially on a road.

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Speaker 1: Trip, from start to finish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you would become a Dead fan. Okay, By

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Speaker 2: the way, why were we talking about the Dixie Chicks?

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Speaker 2: Why were we m.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, you you were singing wide open spaces.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, because I'm so happy to be back in America. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's why. So I spent last week in Spain, and

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Speaker 2: obviously I love Spain. My wife is from Spain, my

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Speaker 2: kids are half Spanish. The food is delicious, you know,

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Speaker 2: prices are reasonable. I mean I got my daughter her

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Speaker 1: Good for her.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I was. I love Spain, but the parking spaces

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Speaker 2: are so small that I had a Pugo five thousand

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Speaker 1: But em Manuel, I'm guessing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and thankfully that was an option. Thank you sixth

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Speaker 2: the rental car company lets you choose. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: But the door space, So this is my problem, not

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Speaker 2: are so tight that when you pull up to your

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Speaker 2: small It's just impossible. You take everything out of the

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Speaker 2: It's what are they thinking?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Conservative so in the in the US here, at least

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Speaker 1: I have to imagine when they made those parking spots,

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Speaker 2: That's what Yeah, my wife says that. Same with the roads, yep,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they have fantastic roads in Spain.

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Speaker 1: This is why every automaker launch for the past two

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Speaker 2: They're amazing, really nice. I don't know if it's because

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Speaker 2: of like the socialist government they need to give people jobs.

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Speaker 2: They keep building the roads.

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Speaker 1: The roads are did you get stuck behind like big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I had a lot of There are

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Speaker 2: like we were talking about before, they they track you

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Speaker 2: know how many tickets I got yet, but probably many. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: But I want to talk about a few The Aston

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Speaker 2: Martin has a new vanquish out. I have actually seen

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Speaker 1: His twelve year old friend.

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Speaker 2: I took my boss's boss's boss's boss's son to see.

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Speaker 1: He asked questions, Yeah we did, oh impressive.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I just saw it and they walked us

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Speaker 1: Look markedly I mean I've seen photos, of course, did

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you see on the street, are you

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Speaker 2: Straight away? You're gonna know not only will you know

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Speaker 1: But will you'll know it's the Vanquish specifically.

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Speaker 2: it's like what a dB twelve should be.

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Speaker 2: I think it's amazing that they're still keeping the twelve cylinder.

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Speaker 2: It is to be lauded. I spoke with Laurence Stroll,

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Speaker 1: What was he implying. Is he hinting that they're going

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Speaker 2: He was saying, like we asked why not, and you

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Speaker 2: know we've gotten you and I have gotten great answers,

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Speaker 1: I like that he was honest about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was straightforward. And Stroll maybe I don't know

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Speaker 2: how incredibly hands on he is in terms of those things,

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Speaker 2: but what Laurence Stroll wants, Laurence Stroll typically gets right.

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Speaker 2: So if he decides he was telling us that he wants,

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Speaker 1: I've been asking the same questions even during Pebble Beach

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Speaker 1: are deciding not to do that.

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Speaker 2: That sounds a bill stop out.

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Speaker 1: It was a deliberate decision. They also said their take

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Speaker 1: rate on the California Manual was point zero one percent.

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Speaker 2: But that's a California. I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: California if you're really a car person, do you? The

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Speaker 2: California is a car that you want to buy so

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Speaker 2: that other people know that you're wealthy. Yeah, that's not

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Speaker 2: a car that you buy because you love cars. Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe is that fair?

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Speaker 2: The reason I'd say this is because I've spent so

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Speaker 2: much time on YouTube. You know, I'd love to have

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Speaker 2: about is the California a car that you'd want to buy?

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Speaker 2: And I think Matt and Zach say no way, Jose,

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Speaker 2: like it's a very bad car.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would get information from more than one block.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course I do. No, I you know, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a very bad car at all.

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Speaker 1: I think entry level cars are often disdained. You know,

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Speaker 1: the California is not my favorite Ferrari, but it's not

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Speaker 1: a bad car. And just because it's entry level doesn't

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the thing. I mean? The argument I've heard

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Speaker 2: Garage Mechanic and I watch everything on YouTube, right, is

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Speaker 2: the California, And I've heard it's a very different story

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Speaker 2: on what do they call the new the Roma? Right,

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Speaker 2: Because that's a car I would take in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: It's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: But is that not the entry level currently?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that's exactly why I don't disdain

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Speaker 1: A fabulous car, and I think real car people will

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not. What I'm saying is that's an

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Speaker 1: The California wasn't my favorite Ferrari.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's as good.

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Speaker 1: You know they even let's say, yeah, Roma is much improved.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we're we were talking about. The point of this

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Speaker 2: manual option, now people know take the manual because especially

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Speaker 2: sell it.

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Speaker 1: Also, again, I have to disagree. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are buying manuals to drive them. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: in the current issue of Business Geek, I've got a

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Speaker 1: story specifically about manuals. The younger people who are buying manuals,

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Speaker 1: especially in like Lamborghini and Ferrari range, they're driving them

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Speaker 2: It's like a status for sure. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: He's a private affair, exactly private one.

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Speaker 1: The most Successful pot Is.

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Speaker 3: And it's the oldest one. It's the very loose first one.

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Speaker 3: And Odd that new That new Aston is just the

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Speaker 1: segments that they're in. There are so many other options

438
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: for the same price or about the same price.

439
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: Right, And you know, if I'm gonna get a front

440
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: engine V twelve, you could do a lot worse than

441
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: an eight twelve with retractable top.

442
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: I love the twelve, but I mean, yes, it has.

443
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: The classic two light tail lights on each side, which

444
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: other cars like the the F twelve don't have, and

445
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: even some of the I don't remember. I it's a

446
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 3: four to fifty eight or forty eight, you need those

447
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: twin tail lights. It just reminds me of the Frays

448
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: that I was a fan of as a kid. Once

449
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: they went to one light. It's like, wait, I'm spending

450
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and I only get

451
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: one tail light on each side. That doesn't seem right.

452
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: You know.

453
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: I had coffee yesterday with a dentist who lives in

454
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills.

455
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: Wait, the same dentist or a different.

456
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Speaker 1: Different did this? This is a different This is a

457
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. This one's a woman. She and she owns

458
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: a eight twelve super Fast. Oh, she tracks it out

459
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: at Thermal and she's done the Gumball Gunball Rally in it.

460
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: And I heard got a very nice speeding ticket in

461
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: it and not get sent to prison, right and loves

462
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: that car. She was telling me about it.

463
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: It's so good looking, not looking.

464
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Speaker 1: That cage incredible.

465
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would track that. I mean,

466
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: if you want to track a Ferrari Go Mint engine.

467
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 3: This is truly a GT. I don't care if it's

468
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Speaker 3: eight hundred plus horse I.

469
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Speaker 2: Would never track. If I have an eight twelve super Fast,

470
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Speaker 2: I'm buying a used cater I was gonna say it.

471
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Speaker 3: Everybody who has a super Fast has a track car,

472
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Speaker 3: and it's up by Monticello where it's on the grounds

473
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Speaker 3: waiting for you. I don't. I don't. I don't swim

474
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: in those waters. And that dash is spectacular also.

475
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Speaker 2: So this so, by the way, this, uh you mentioned

476
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Speaker 2: your story four hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars for this.

477
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Speaker 1: That's estimated.

478
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: But so even if it's around there like five hundred,

479
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you can really compare it with a

480
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: new Ferrari flagship because you can't get one.

481
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

482
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: You can actually walk in to an Aston Martin dealership

483
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: and actually custom order exactly what you want without having

484
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: to first buy advantage and exactly so that automatically makes

485
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: this so much cheaper. You know, when I bought my

486
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Chevy truck a couple of years ago, it was I

487
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: think sixty eight grand, but it was since it was

488
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: at the tail end of the pandemic. They had a

489
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: used one on the lot with ten thousand miles and

490
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: it was going for seventy five. And the reason is

491
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: someone who wants it now is willing to pay more

492
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Speaker 2: to walk away with it. And all right, let's let's

493
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Speaker 2: move on to I'll say that you can go to

494
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Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot com and read Hannah's story. By the way,

495
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: you can also shoot us an email with your thoughts

496
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Speaker 2: on Aston Martin because would you buy, well, not only

497
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 2: which would you buy, but I'm also I'm really interested

498
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: in the company story. Do you believe in this if

499
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: you're a stock investor, and Barry always says, like, you

500
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: would have been much better off rather than buying an

501
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: iPad when they first came out, taking that money and

502
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: buying Apple stock. Right, don't you say that? Barry?

503
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Speaker 3: Say that again? Really texting right now, just shutting my

504
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: phone off last. No, I just came out of the

505
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: studio and my phone is lighting up. I'm like you,

506
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: who is thinking me NonStop all day? You?

507
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 2: You have always said if you like the iPad, but

508
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: you'd be much better off not buying the iPad, taking

509
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: that thousand dollars in buying Apple stock.

510
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Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I've said I would say

511
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: said no. Someone about ten years ago created a list

512
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: of every Apple product that has ever come out and said,

513
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: if instead of buying this product you bought Apple stock,

514
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: here's what it would have been worth. So the Macclassic

515
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: that I had in nineteen eighty eight, that would be

516
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: worth like three million dollars if instead of the computer

517
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: I used in grad school, that two thousand dollars is

518
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: worth millions of dollars today. It's kind of it's kind

519
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: of bonkers.

520
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying if people email us at hot

521
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net, I want to get people's

522
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: take on the Aston Martin stock, which is something we

523
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: don't normally talk about in the show, but I think

524
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: it's interesting because of the fact that back in twenty

525
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: eighteen it was going for four thousand. This is in

526
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: Pens on the Londonside Change. Now it's going for one,

527
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: fifty one and fifty. It was going for four. Dude,

528
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: if you like this company, if you liked it, then

529
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: you better love it now. And especially if they bring

530
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: in these two new Adrians from Bentley and from Red Bull.

531
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Speaker 2: If those guys are successful and Laurence Stroll manages to

532
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: let them resurrect the company, you could be off to

533
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Speaker 2: the races.

534
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Speaker 1: You could be I mean by low right exactly.

535
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Speaker 2: I don't suppose you've given any thought to Aston Martin

536
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: as an.

537
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: I could tell you. I love Bill Ackman's joke about

538
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: what's the stock that's down ninety percent. It's a stock

539
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: that was down eighty percent and got cut in half,

540
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: and that's I just think that's a genius way of

541
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: looking at the math.

542
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: But then you never make any money buying low Okay,

543
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 2: it could be a value play, is what I'm saying, right,

544
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: because imagine if this had for.

545
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: It's the market cap one hundred and seventy five million dollars.

546
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: It is one point two five billion pounds.

547
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: How many how many cars do they have to sell

548
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: to to do what? Uh? And what profit margin to

549
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: catch up to what the stock symbol race?

550
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Michael Dean, Yeah, right, I mean it's it's.

551
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: Not just hey it's the stock. Just because it was

552
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: higher before and lower now doesn't mean, you know, I.

553
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: Just think it's interesting.

554
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: And by the way, I have no opinion on Aston Martin.

555
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: It could go no, not.

556
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: They're just saying, you know, you have to really look

557
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: into what's gonna happen.

558
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: I just think Laurence Stroll is a smart guy. He

559
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: didn't get to be a billionaire by accident, and he

560
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: when he does the back of the Napkin math on this,

561
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: he's very convinced.

562
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: How did he get to be a billionaire. I think

563
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: he's a fashion mobile fashion all right, So he's looking

564
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: at aumobiles as an extension of luxury. It's a look,

565
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: I got you, not not a terrible move. It's kind

566
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: of interesting, you know.

567
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Speaker 1: He was the guy. He's Canadian. He was the guy

568
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: behind like Tommy Hill figure Michael Cores. He sort of

569
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: financed those guys back in the day. I think he

570
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: also might have even financed some of Ralph Lauren too.

571
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: But the other thing.

572
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: Who has a spectacular automobile. I was had an opportunity

573
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: about ten years ago to go up to Connecticut with

574
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: a friend who was appraising it. And I'm like, oh,

575
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: I'll get up there, and I just never I missed

576
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: that opportunity. Oh no, And it kills me because I

577
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: could have.

578
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I would say about the acid Martin

579
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Speaker 1: versus Ferrari thing. You know, yes, Matt, I really love

580
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: your point about you can actually get in Aston Martin.

581
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: But I think on the flip side, people are also

582
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: looking at what am I going to get for it

583
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: when I sell?

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00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: True, of course the depreciation is a huge.

585
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no comparison. I mean, Ferrari's just hold her

586
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: value or go up.

587
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: Well that's why you wait, isn't there yet? Wait for

588
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: some bitcoin millionaire to pick one up and then go

589
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: bust and buy it from her or him a year later.

590
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: I want to get to Barry's Portia. He was telling

591
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: me and some of the other car fanatics in the office.

592
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: He has been for months, and you've been writing about

593
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: it on your blog, right.

594
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: Yah, I've been doing regular updates.

595
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: So so tell us, tell us the genesis of this story.

596
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: It's a nine to eleven from what the eighties. Yeah.

597
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: So, so during the pen right before the pandemic, me

598
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: and a buddy, we're rebuilding a pair of FJ forty

599
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: Toyotas in Colombia and bring him back to the United States.

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: And it was so much fun doing that. Then I'm like,

601
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: let me do that with a Porsche. And Bloomberg had

602
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: done a story on motors in Austin, Texas and they

603
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: were one of the early companies doing these EV conversions

604
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: of classic cars. They were mostly doing some trucks. They

605
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: were doing some range Rovers and some like Ford Broncos,

606
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: turning them into EV's And so I'm like, let me

607
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: try that. And so I found an old nineteen eighty

608
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: eight nine to eleven Cabrio that I thought would be

609
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: a great electric car. The previous owner had raced it.

610
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: It had racing harnesses and a roll bar and he

611
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: had all like racing suspension and you know, went for

612
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: relatively cheap as a donor car, and I bring it

613
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: to my local Porsche guy works one in Seacliff, and

614
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: he's like, congratulations, this is a matching numbers M four

615
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: ninety one. I know you said you wanted to tweak it,

616
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: but it's worth double what you paid for it. I

617
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: don't suggest this is the car you destroy. So I

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: restored that back to stock. It's just one of these

619
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: classic analog you know. It's funny. The only thing I

620
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: left that the previous owner had done is he had

621
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: taken the three point two into three point four leaders

622
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: the flat six, and it's about two hundred and seventy

623
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: five horse power. It's amazing. By the way, the M

624
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: four ninety one is called the turbo package. It's everything.

625
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: The turbo gives you the fender flares, the whale tail,

626
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: the upgrade suspension, the upgrade breaks, minus the blower. It

627
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: doesn't have a turbo. It's just stock engine power. So

628
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: you're right. So it's not a widow maker. It doesn't

629
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: have that tendency to surprise you mid turn. But so

630
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: I thought my wife would love that car. She's like,

631
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: it's loud, it smells. This is not my she drives

632
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: a stick. She's like, this is not my favorite car

633
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: of yours. So I'm like, all right, now I got

634
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: to do this again. So I start hunting for a

635
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: new Donor car. By the way, with moment Moners, I

636
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: gave them a deposit like three years ago, as a

637
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: year Q is like a year and change to come up.

638
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: So I was the deposit ten grand. That's all. It

639
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: was the deposit.

640
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean that's a pretty steep of course.

641
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask how much you're into this.

642
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: I could have walked into a local Porsche dealer and

643
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: bought a brand new nine to eleven s for about

644
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: what this ended up costing, and then where I live

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: on the north shore of li Island, it would be

646
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: one of the ten thousand nine to eleven's driving around. Instead,

647
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: I found it still also would have to wait. No

648
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: back then went well.

649
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: I mean now for a careers, I think you're still

650
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: waiting in twenty one.

651
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: This project began in like twenty one, twenty two. It

652
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as crazy. It was working its way up

653
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: the automobile line. It hadn't quite like.

654
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: It was just that the you mean a nine to

655
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: eleven at twenty twenty two prices or in twenty twenty four,

656
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: because the prices now have also gotten up substantially.

657
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: At twenty twenty two prices in twenty twenty two. So

658
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: I found this like really good looking lagoon green metallic,

659
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: which is really a light blue three hundred thousand mile

660
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, so really three hundred thousand miles hundred thousd.

661
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: By the way, the difference between Ferrari owners and Porsche owners.

662
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Ferrari owners love to talk about how little miles they have.

663
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: Porsche owners are absolutely proud. Yeah, I got two hundred

664
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: and fifty thir I got three hundred thousand miles. It's fair.

665
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: One hundred thousand mile. Porsches are just getting warmed up

666
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand mile Ferraris. I don't know if they.

667
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: I think you can. I think you can very easily

668
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: attest to the truth of that.

669
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: I mean, what, what don't.

670
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: You guys have a didn't you pick up.

671
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: A bought We bought a nine to nine seven with

672
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: eighty thousand.

673
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: Miles nothing one hundred, one hundred and eight eighty one

674
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty, one hundred and eighty dollar and it

675
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: still is a great car, right I mean.

676
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: It's, oh yeah, we drove that to Utah in a

677
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: day and fell in love with it.

678
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: Right, It's this. I was actually very so this car.

679
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: I was looking at a nine to nine to seven

680
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: point two, the last of the nine and I'm not

681
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: a Porsche guy. That's the funny thing. The last of

682
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven turbos with a stick I want

683
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: to say twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.

684
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: It's twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. And it's also

685
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: the last I think with hydraulic steering.

686
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: So so it was wide over black with red trim, red,

687
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: red seat belts, red stitch.

688
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: It's basically the end of the nine nine to six

689
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: lifespan is the nine nine to seven point two, hich

690
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: is what I think is so cool?

691
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: Right, So, and the way they alternate between what they

692
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: do with the point ones in point two is really

693
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: very clever how they roll different things out. But anyway,

694
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: I started looking at it as a buck and a

695
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: quarter and I kind of dawdled. Then it was a

696
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: buck fifty, then it was a bucks seventy five. I'm like,

697
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: what was going on? This is like during the pandemic

698
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: and before I know if they're asking more than two

699
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: hundred for car that I was like thinking about at

700
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: one a quarter. And that's what kind of sent me,

701
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: you know what, for over for six figures, I could

702
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: get a car that's almost as fast and a lot

703
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: more unique than this. And so that started the process

704
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: of I found a car with three hundred thousand miles

705
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: it had previously been hit.

706
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: Was this a California car? The car that you actually

707
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I think you, I think I saw you in LA

708
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: and you were on your way.

709
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: No, I ended up not passing on all the California cars.

710
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: This was I want to say.

711
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't from the Beverly Hills Car Club.

712
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: No, it was not Constitution. And I saw a lot

713
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: of ratty cars there. And you, by the way you

714
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: look at a bunch of cars, you really kind of

715
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: get a feel for what cars have and like, what

716
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: buttons are you have to check? Oh the button that's

717
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: underneath the dash that adjusts the which marry You're just

718
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: so this car three hundred thousand miles. The front end

719
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: was hit, so it had a bunch of rust on

720
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: the inside. The paint looked great, the interior looked great.

721
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: It was it It was in Connecticut. It had same owner

722
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: for twenty years. Wrong doors, wrong mirrors, wrong steering wheel.

723
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: How much did you pay for this car?

724
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: I want to say about forty eight grand something like that.

725
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: And that's on top of the so no, no, no, no.

726
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: That was the nine ninety seven too, right, which you.

727
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: No, No, the little price this car I paid for

728
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: let's call it fifty by the time at tax and shipping,

729
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: and then the hardware and software and labor was just

730
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: about one hundred and what years upgrade there is? This

731
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: is an eighty seven sunroof, delete rear wiper, lagoon, green matille.

732
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: You're fifty grand in this, You pay the ten thousand

733
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: dollars deposit, and then you ship it down to Austin.

734
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: Right down to Austin, Texas.

735
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Which and then this is twenty twenty one.

736
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: No, no, the the deposit is twenty twenty, late twenty one.

737
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: So I'm supposed to be up in the queue. Maybe

738
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: it was early twenty two when I'm supposed to be

739
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: up with a few early twenty twenty three. And then

740
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: I actually was having fun driving this car around as

741
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: a gasoline. The first thing I had to do one

742
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: of the fuel inject.

743
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: You don't say you really enjoyed driving around to Porsche

744
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: to so.

745
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: Let me point out for people who think Porsches of

746
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: from Night from the eighties or Porsches today. So, yeah,

747
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: weighed twenty five hundred pounds, but it's two hundred horse

748
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: power and I would get smoked if I would race

749
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: a CenTra at a red light. These are slow, their momentum,

750
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: beautiful cars.

751
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: They reward good driving.

752
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: They were There's no doubt about it. The steering in

753
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: that car continues to astonish me. How great it is.

754
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: All right, at five miles an hour, you're you know

755
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: you're using.

756
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: So if you loved it, Barry, then why change it?

757
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: And this is really well, it needed a lot of

758
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: stuff fiction if you loved it so much when you're driving,

759
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: it would So that's what an electric motor.

760
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a second, Let's point out that he

761
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: already had bought one eighties and kept and I kept it.

762
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: My plan was not to accumulate a bunch of nine

763
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: to elevens, but the M four ninety one Cabrio, which,

764
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: by the way, it's always amazing when I have this

765
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: fantastic detailer slash. I got a wrap shop.

766
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: I gotta get to that guy that that.

767
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: First of all, they compounded the M four ninety one,

768
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: which is just.

769
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: Just tell me what town does the detailer in?

770
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 3: Locus Valley? All right, I got it, and and so

771
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: so the paint kind of came to life. It looked terrible,

772
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: and so I didn't have to repaint that. They steam

773
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: cleaned the leather with blue piping blue above the belt line.

774
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: And suddenly this M for ninety one nine to eleven

775
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: cabrio that I think I was into for like sixty five.

776
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: Grand is a right.

777
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty five or one hundred and forty thousand.

778
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: Get you get your dream, You get your dream cab

779
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: and that stays gas. So this this new three hundred

780
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars eighty seven, three hundred thousand, three thousand thousand

781
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: dollars car, you shut it down to Austin. I want

782
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: to get to that before.

783
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: But before I ship it down to Austin, I replace

784
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: the brake lines, I have the steering service. And what

785
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 3: comes back is, hey, you're gonna need a new clutch

786
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: on this. The engine's gonna need an overhaul if you

787
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: want to keep this car the way it is. I

788
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: know you paid fifty grand for it, but you really

789
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: need another twenty thirty thousand dollars worth of.

790
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: Work, so you're gonna have to do it anyway.

791
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Would have been less than right electric.

792
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: Let's cut in half. Let's say it needed fifteen to

793
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars worth of way. No one's buying a

794
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand miles nine to eleven, and it's gonna

795
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: pour because you know, if the estimates ten to fifteen,

796
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: you know in reality you're twenty twenty five. You have

797
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: to always build in a buffer on estimates. So this

798
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: is a car that was gonna get used for parts.

799
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: No one was gonna put the money in.

800
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: So you send it down to Austin.

801
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: So before I do that, I redo, I clean, I

802
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: really do a compound in color correction on your never

803
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: get to aust I put stripes on it, I put

804
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: the career on the side. Then I send it down

805
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: to Austin June twenty twenty three.

806
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: And June twenty twenty three, and you just got it

807
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: back basically a year later.

808
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: The beginning of end of July twenty twenty four.

809
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: And how happy were you with Moment Motors in terms

810
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: of their communication.

811
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: Communication is fantastic. The guys over there are amazing.

812
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: They give.

813
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: First of all, you get a private website where they're

814
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: constantly updating the site things. Every time they do something,

815
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: they're telling you about it every time. They like. So

816
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: they're the ones that said, hey, you know this repair

817
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: that was done on the rust in the front, this

818
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: is where a couple hundred pounds of battery's going to go.

819
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: We don't think this is what's this going to cost?

820
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: A couple of thought?

821
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: All right, so do that.

822
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: And then after they replaced the whole floor pan basically

823
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: in the front.

824
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 2: Right.

825
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: So, by the way, I have no spare tire, and

826
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm surprised I can't.

827
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: So it's a year.

828
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: I'm getting regular updates and it's like I was kind

829
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: of hoping to have a back and by may or June,

830
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: and you know, lots of lots of little things. So

831
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: originally Felton Motors is the company that makes the all

832
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: the software and adapts the Tesla engine and they recreate

833
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: the five gauge traditional Porsche set of dials that you see.

834
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: They're modern and updated. I instead of having attack, I

835
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: have a kilo loot consumption, instead of having a gas

836
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: gauge I have. Here's how much charge you have. You know,

837
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: it's funny, it's the same thing, but they're all different.

838
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: You kind of have to I'm used to just kind

839
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: of glancing down at the tack and usually have a

840
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: sense of my speed in those cars, so that just

841
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: the weight increase. I went from twenty five hundred to

842
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: a little over twenty eight hundred, so you gained about

843
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: three and a quarter in pounds. But you go from

844
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen to almost four hundred horse power.

845
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: You're about four hundred. You're three forty until you hit

846
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: the sport button and then you're three ninety five in

847
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 3: horsepower something like that.

848
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: So you did though, I know you overhauled the suspension.

849
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: You had to because it was sitting a little low.

850
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: And so it's funny. When I first got the Cabrio,

851
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: it had a race suspension and you felt every bump.

852
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: All you felt the dotted lines on the road. Standard

853
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: is pretty cushy, like believe it or not, those eighties

854
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: ear Of Porsches were semi luxury cars. They're very comfortable.

855
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: This is now halfway between stock and what that race cat.

856
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get all the work you had done.

857
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: Suspension isn't bad you put you know, that's two grand.

858
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: The new tires were two grand, the floor plan was

859
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: four grand.

860
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: And then steering.

861
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: Was you know, all that stuff was when I first

862
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: got the car, I put about five grand into Let's

863
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 3: check the brakes. Let's see if we need to replace

864
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: the brake lines. Let's look at all the all the

865
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: light bulbs that needed to be replaced, all the all

866
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: the fuses like they my guys went through through it,

867
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: and you know.

868
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: For about our region brakes.

869
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: So here this is so once you get the car

870
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: back and you start learning how to drive it. So

871
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: first I don't have a pure EV My other electrics

872
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: are hybrid. I have my wife's Panama four S is

873
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 3: a hybrid. So the region is really you don't feel

874
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: it very much. This is set as mild region that

875
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: you can adjust, can or cannot cannot, And I mean

876
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: it can be adjusted through software, but it's not like

877
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: a little switch.

878
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: You can't.

879
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: I can't adjust it the way you cannot Tesla or

880
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: or a Hyundai Ionic five. But it's a little weird

881
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: because when you take your foot off the accelerator, you

882
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: continue to coast, you touch the brake pedal and it

883
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: kind of doesn't do a whole lot for ten twenty travel,

884
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: It's like, what's going on here. It's not until you

885
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: get to thirty five to forty percent down that the

886
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: calibers kick in. So if you want to stop, you

887
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: really got to mash on the brakes. That was a

888
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: little bit of a learning variance. I had the car

889
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 3: out on Saturday. It had just drizzled, and I learned,

890
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: if you're gonna stomp on the accelerator, make sure the

891
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: tires are facing forward. Because I'm at the inter three

892
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: way intersection. It's early in the morning, no one's around,

893
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: and I kind of I don't even put it to

894
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: the carpet. I just kind of stomp on a little bit,

895
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: and the next thing I know, the tail is passing

896
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 3: me on the right, and you know, you just flick

897
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: your wrists to the right and you catch it and

898
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: kind of regain control. But it's like, okay, little learning

899
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: lesson there. I mentioned the steering is very precise over

900
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: ten miles an hour. It's really Hannah, you have a

901
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: lot of experience with those older nine events. That steering

902
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: is surprisingly good for a car from that era right

903
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: like fun. It's like, oh my, I can't believe how

904
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: precise and how quick.

905
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: To react to is the steering wheel and go.

906
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: But here's kind of what I learned. It corners relatively flat,

907
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: as a little leaning, but not a lot. You've gone

908
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: from I don't know, sixty five to thirty five to

909
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 3: closer to fifty to fifty, and you've lowered the center

910
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: of gravity because of the batteries and where the motor

911
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: is on the rear axle. But when you step on

912
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: the accelerator, the mass shifts back on the rear wheels.

913
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't describe it as floating. Those cars have a

914
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: little bit of understeer naturally. At least that's how this

915
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 3: car feels to me. I don't know if the Tabrio

916
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: does talk.

917
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: To us about the range and the charging time.

918
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: So my wife's Panama charger is the exact same charger,

919
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: and I insisted on charging in the same place on

920
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: the front left fender where the gas fill is nice.

921
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: It's nostalgia.

922
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: First of all, anytime you flip that open and show

923
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: people their heads, they just explode. But second, it takes

924
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: almost no time in older charge, I use it what

925
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: is that five hours? I don't know. I don't even

926
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: pay attention when it's when it's by the way, when

927
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: when the motor came to Texas, they ran a set

928
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: of oil cool cooling for the motor, and maybe because

929
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 3: it was in Texas so hot, they decided to add

930
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: a second set. Didn't charge me for that, But so

931
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: it's got dual twice the amount of cooling. Hopefully we

932
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: avoid that Tesla bursting into fire sort of thing. So

933
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: two and a quarter if you're driving, you know, reasonably,

934
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: if you're a hoolian, it's probably half of that buck

935
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: fifty something like that. I mean, I haven't even gotten

936
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: down to fifty percent, you know of battery charge yet

937
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: I take it down to you know, sixty five sixty.

938
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: You even had much time with this car yet?

939
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first few weeks I had a hard time

940
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: getting in and out of it. Now I'm much more

941
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: mobile and I'm getting in and out of the car.

942
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: So I've spent this weekend and last weekend kind of

943
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: putting it through its paces. And first of all, it's

944
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: weird how quiet it is on the high on the road.

945
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: I haven't put taken it on the highway yet, but

946
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: I've been on you know, fifty mile an hour roads

947
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 3: you get to eighty super quick. Like I haven't tested

948
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: zero to sixty. But some guy in an M fifty

949
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: I was messing around with me on the road yesterday,

950
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, see, yuh, it's always funny to like,

951
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: I wish I could see this guy's face. And my

952
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: rear license plate is even nine to eleven. So anyone

953
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: who's paying attention will will figure this out.

954
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: So my two questions are, how much, assuming that you

955
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: didn't have to do the other work that was you

956
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: would have had to do anyway, how much did the

957
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: conversion cost when all is said.

958
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: And done, I'm gonna tell you by the time you're

959
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: done with everything, and anytime you're anytime you are dealing listen,

960
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: you know I have a bunch of old cars, right,

961
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: anytime you're dealing with a car from the sixty seventies, eighties,

962
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: if it's not this, it's that it always is going

963
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: to require something. Right, So whether that's ten twenty thirty grand,

964
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: it's gonna cost you something. The donut car is going

965
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: to cost you something. Assume you're choosing between this or

966
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: a new nine to eleven. That's pretty much how it prices.

967
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: Out and how much and and how how do you

968
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: feel about this car next to the M four ninety

969
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: one cab, Like, so the.

970
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: Beauty of the the gas car, like the beauty of

971
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: that is that is the car like when I was

972
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: growing up. I'm a little older than you. When I

973
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: was growing up, that was the poster half the guy's.

974
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: Having dude for me too, the whale tail and everything

975
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: that's right.

976
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: And in fact, I vividly recall an episode of Seinfeld

977
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 3: that's the poster on his wall of the coop. Only

978
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna assume that's a nine thirty, not an M

979
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: four ninety one. It's a real turbo, but that car

980
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: is I remember the ed campaign kills Bugs Fast from

981
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: and it was just again, I'm not a crazy poor skuy.

982
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: I don't think of this as blasphemy. This is a

983
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: car I rescued that was going to the part spin.

984
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like there's any blaspheme here.

985
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, I.

986
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: Just rescued another car that you know, needed rescuing and

987
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: was restored back to literally original factory stock. So I

988
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: have a little cred amongst the local, Yes, nine to

989
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: eleven crews, He's okay, he's saved that other car.

990
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm just wondering if you like

991
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 2: one better, like do you? Or are they two totally separate.

992
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: Things so different? So if you want to know what

993
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: it's like to experience a truly analog car from the

994
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: nineties that was well built and in its day was

995
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: one of the faster cars on the road, faster, not fastest,

996
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: the nine to eleven is a blast in eighties or

997
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: nine to eleven they look the part you don't realize

998
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: most people don't realize new nine to eleven's like twice

999
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: the size of the old ones. If you go out

1000
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: and buy a CA Hayman or a Boxter, which is

1001
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: the convertible version, they're the size of the eighties era

1002
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 3: nine elevens. That's how relatively small these are. They're small,

1003
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: they're nimble, they handle great. They're just fun cars. By

1004
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: the way, anywhere I take the M four ninety one,

1005
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: somebody always stops me and says something.

1006
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I would just say, from my observation of this conversation,

1007
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: you like the M four nine to one better because

1008
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about that far.

1009
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: More well he just asked about it.

1010
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he said, which do you like? He kind of.

1011
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had that car for two years, and

1012
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm barely two weeks into this car,

1013
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: and I just took it to a place in Port

1014
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: Washington to talk about I want, in fact, now that

1015
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: it's funny you're here, one of Mangnus's cars inspired me.

1016
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: I took this to an interior shop because I'm gonna

1017
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: go even more retro with this. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1018
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: add a tartan plaid to the seat inserts and along

1019
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: the uh and I need love. The carpets need to

1020
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: be replaced. That's right. The sort of bluish whitish. You

1021
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: know that color If you look up lagoon green metallic,

1022
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: it's really a light blue. It's tough to find a

1023
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: tartan that matches it. And I thought those stripes were fun,

1024
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: and I thought, uh, the Correra script, I really wanted

1025
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: to personalize it.

1026
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: You have to. I'm just looking just for the listeners.

1027
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: Barry's blog, which is called The Big Picture. The U

1028
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: r L is Ritholtz dot com, so you can see this,

1029
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: you can see all of this. I just want to

1030
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: say that if I some if something happens, Barry where

1031
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: I make it into your will and I can only

1032
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: have one of these cars, I just think I want

1033
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: the M four ninety one. Yeah, and then.

1034
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: It's a very different experience, by the way.

1035
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: But I want to come to come to your house.

1036
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: Okay, you have no idea. How much, how grateful, how

1037
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: much I appreciate the fact that I bought a internal

1038
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: combustion engine nine to eleven thinking I would convert it,

1039
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: ended up restoring it. But he had a roll bar,

1040
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: so all right, when you roll over, at least you

1041
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: know you're only the top of your head gets cut off.

1042
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: You don't just and then the bit there's the.

1043
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: You basically fell into a great investment with the end by.

1044
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: Accident, by total accident. I thought, I thought it would

1045
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: be my wife's summer car, and she's like, no, I

1046
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: like the Panama better. Okay, And then this pro I

1047
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: already had put the deposit down, so I had to

1048
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: find another car. And this is just a totally different animal.

1049
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: And the ability to have both of these and to

1050
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: do a compare and contrast. If you click this, you'll

1051
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: see they're both side by side. Scroll down do I have.

1052
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: A picture of both. Yeah, so that is the picture

1053
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: of so gorgeous dude. But so you could see the

1054
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: eighty eight.

1055
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: And by the way, it looks better than that. I

1056
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: the paint is better today, the interior is better today.

1057
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: But the ability to say, all right, what what an

1058
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: incredible luxury? How I can't begin to mention how how

1059
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: this guy, who's not a nine to eleven mutant, not

1060
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: a freak about it, suddenly ends up with two spectacular.

1061
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Nine to elevens. If somebody offered you one hundred and

1062
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars for it right now, would you sell it.

1063
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 3: For the cabrio?

1064
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: No?

1065
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: No, no, that's a break even.

1066
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: Why on earth would I do that? Are you kidding me?

1067
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to kind of thought, you might say, no.

1068
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: Under absolutely not. Not only. First of all, it's two

1069
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 3: plus years. That's the Tartan.

1070
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you scroll down hand and you can see

1071
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: the Tartan choices, the So not only did.

1072
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: It take two years, I'm just beginning to learn it.

1073
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting a feel for it.

1074
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: So you're you're like, you're actually interested. This isn't oh yeah.

1075
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: No, no, this is do you have the same. Do

1076
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: you have the same Fuchsfelden. Do you have the same wheels?

1077
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the wheels that are on each of

1078
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: those cars. Of course I have those sixteen inch I

1079
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: will tell you the Cabrio has much fatter rubber on that,

1080
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: and I looked into replacing that. I mean, those are

1081
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 3: brand new conties on the electric. But I'm like, this

1082
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: car could really use some fatter rubber. And actually the

1083
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: rubber isn't the weakest link in that. I want to say,

1084
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 3: the brakes are probably the weakest link. Like I am,

1085
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: I drive that car very defense, but every time I

1086
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: get a new car, I drive it defensively until I

1087
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: really learn its limits. This thing is just and we're

1088
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: going to see this problem in evs and Ford Lightnings

1089
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: and and one of my workmates just got a new

1090
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 3: Rivian suv and he's a big car guy, also Jay

1091
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: in my office, and he's like, this thing is so

1092
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: giant and so heavy and so fast. It's stunning. And

1093
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: I think we need to put carbon brakes on everything,

1094
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: because when you have a sixty these are three and

1095
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: four ton vehicles with eight hundred horsepower. People going to die.

1096
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the well, the Corvette E Ray has

1097
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: carbon brakes for that reason, because I mean, all right,

1098
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: that's all we have time for on that.

1099
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: We have to get to my pleasure. When you come out, Hannah,

1100
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 3: I will bring I'd love to drive it. Which whichever

1101
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: one you wanna or both. If you come out to

1102
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: the Burbs, we we can. You can work your way

1103
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: through the whole fleet.

1104
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 2: Barry, thank you so much for that. We gotta cover

1105
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: a couple of other topics here, but I I'm so

1106
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: glad I ran into you today and that you got

1107
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: this project complete, because we've been hearing about it for

1108
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: a long time, excited.

1109
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: To say, bring the Vanquish and we'll swap fine fair

1110
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 3: love it Burier Holts.

1111
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: You can check out his blog again at ritholts dot

1112
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: com The Big Picture, and definitely listen to Masters in Business.

1113
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 2: I listen to it every time a new episode It's

1114
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Fabulous comes out. All right, I want to talk about

1115
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: a couple of other Uh. I guess I don't think

1116
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: lower end is right for the Mercedes, the box, the

1117
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: babble story we don't really need to say much about right,

1118
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: the fact that they Bulbo has.

1119
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: Scaled back their ev target.

1120
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're gonna see a lot more

1121
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: carmakers doing this. We've already seen a few do it.

1122
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: We've seen pretty much every automaker do it, from Volkswagen

1123
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: to General Motors to Stilantis to Mercedes to Ford.

1124
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

1125
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: Fulvo is simply the latest in a long, long, long list.

1126
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think it's really a surprise,

1127
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: and I don't think it means that we're not headed

1128
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: still towards an ev future.

1129
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: They all say it's still going to happen. It's just

1130
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more fluid and not as quickly.

1131
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a huge ship. You can't turn this

1132
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: thing around.

1133
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's part of It's like how fast

1134
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: can you pivot?

1135
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, we're we don't really need to

1136
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: cover it. But the Folkswagen story that's unfolding in Germany

1137
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: is in that they are going to for the first

1138
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: time in their eighty seven year history close, or at

1139
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: least Oliver Blooma wants to close a German factory. This

1140
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: is so important in a country where I think at

1141
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: least four hundred thousand Germans are employed by Volkswagen or

1142
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: one of the brands that Folkswagen owns, and of course

1143
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: in Germany they have a different kind of ownership system

1144
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: where the union occupies half of the supervisory board, so

1145
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: the workers have a real say in what happens to

1146
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: the business. And Volkswagen has had a string of CEOs

1147
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: who have had trouble dealing with this system in these unions.

1148
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: You know, Herbert Diese was the last one to essentially

1149
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: get thrown out by the unions not wanting him to

1150
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: make big changes. Bluma came in and I thought honeymoon

1151
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: is over there because he's talking about shutting down businesses

1152
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: in Germany. This is at a time when Chinese competitors

1153
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: are coming in and just dunking on them in terms

1154
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: of affordable you know, quality electric vehicles, and it's I mean,

1155
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: it ripples into politics in a way that basically a

1156
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: far right winging party, the Alternative for deutsch Land, has

1157
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: won the elections of Turing in one of the German states,

1158
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: beating out all other comers, and it's coming in second

1159
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: in a lot of other states. So this sort of

1160
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: economic breakdown, yes, is leading to an economic breakdown. Inflation

1161
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: and low cost competition from China is destroying the German

1162
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: economy and that is pushing them to extremes in terms

1163
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: of politics on the right and really on the left.

1164
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into it because it's a

1165
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: car podcast, but I highly it's really fascinating.

1166
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very cool to have your perspective on

1167
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: that as someone who lived in Germany and is very

1168
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: close to that.

1169
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean, such a deep, deep story. Out of Germany

1170
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: comes a car that I have fallen in love with,

1171
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: and really I'm really shocked too. Frankly, we're talking about

1172
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: the Mercedes Clee and the four fifty is the one

1173
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: that both of us have driven. Now, yes, i'll practice

1174
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: this well, I'll preface this by saying that a couple

1175
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 2: of weeks ago I had the Mercedes AMGSL sixty three,

1176
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: which is essentially like the big version of it. Yes right, Yes,

1177
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: that has a twin turbo V eight and a two

1178
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars price tag. And I really didn't like

1179
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: it at all. I thought it was I didn't like

1180
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: the way it looked because I had to compare it

1181
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: to the old AMGGTS, which is the most beautiful car

1182
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: Mercedes has built in you know, decades, and it is

1183
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: dead now. I didn't like the way it felt. It

1184
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: wasn't super comfortable, the suspension was bouncy. I didn't like

1185
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: the motor, even though it was a V eight, it

1186
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: didn't really sound that great and it was super laggy.

1187
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: At least it felt like that to me. I'm not

1188
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: a pro.

1189
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: But you're talking about the AMGSL sixty three, Yes from Mercedes.

1190
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I really, I really wasn't into it.

1191
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm shocked.

1192
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: I spent a week driving it, and you know.

1193
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: I drove it in twenty I think that's no.

1194
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: No, this is brand new. This one is just this

1195
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: is a new version of that. So it's a four seater, it's.

1196
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: A even though it's a two door drove four seater.

1197
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: And it's an all wheel drive.

1198
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1199
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess you guys have much earlier look

1200
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: than I did.

1201
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's when it came out. But I remember, I

1202
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: think in obviously I haven't. I didn't drive it last week,

1203
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: but I don't remember thinking any of those things. Obviously

1204
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: it's curvier and heavier than.

1205
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: The I mean, I you know what, a lot of

1206
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: people really liked it. I think the straight pipes, you know,

1207
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: Urine Jacob, they liked it I believe they drove the

1208
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: hard top version, which is like the new AMGGT. Sure,

1209
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: but it's the same car as the SL sixty three Roadster,

1210
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: except it as a hard top. I just thought, you

1211
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: know what, for two hundred grand, I don't want something

1212
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound amazing. I don't want something that has

1213
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: bouncy sort of luxury suspension, even though it is a

1214
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: luxury vehicle. I want it to be more precise. I

1215
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: don't want something that's laggy. I want something that's you know,

1216
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: got instant acceleration and very responsible. The CLE. So the

1217
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: CLE is okay, obviously much cheaper you can get into

1218
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: it for seventy grand.

1219
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: And a little bit more bland and look.

1220
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: I think it's better looking. So and I don't love

1221
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: the new Mercedes design language. They look like a like

1222
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: a horizontally placed convex banana. All those cars look like

1223
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: banana cars. But I think the CLE is really good looking.

1224
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: Now that could be. You know, I didn't just fall

1225
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: out of a coconut tree, as Kamala says. I exist

1226
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: in the context of all in which I live and

1227
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,959
Speaker 2: what came before me. But maybe because I spent time

1228
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: with the AMGSL sixty three. Now I'm more used to

1229
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: that design language and now I can appreciate. But I

1230
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: think the CLA looks better, a lot better. It could

1231
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: also be because the one I have is in this

1232
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 2: beautiful red. It's called Patagonia Red Metallic. It's actually called

1233
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: manufactur Patagonia red Metallic. By the way, that's a German

1234
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: word that just translates into factory, and Mercedes and Porsche

1235
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: both use it as like a high margin.

1236
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: Like exclusive optional factor I.

1237
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: Know, but exclusive factory.

1238
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: Exclusive manufacturer, which is German for exclusive, yesure.

1239
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: I anyway, the color is beautiful, but I feel like

1240
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: the responsiveness is so much better, even though it only

1241
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: has an inline six, but it's got a mild hybrid

1242
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: forty old mild hybrid system. The sound is much better,

1243
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: even though the sound is fake.

1244
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, how can you say that, Matt,

1245
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: How can you know we're literally looking at this car.

1246
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: This is the car last week that I literally walked

1247
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: past in the parking garage looking for my car quote

1248
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: unquote for the week, and it was this and I

1249
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: walked past it. It's so bland. It was blue. I

1250
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: think it was manufacturer blue. It's a fine car. It's fine.

1251
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: The perfect word for it is mild. It's mild.

1252
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean this is This is an example of where

1253
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: two people can have very different opinions. For me, I

1254
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: think it's great looking. I think the seats are so comfortable,

1255
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: and I think the interior is so elegantly laid out.

1256
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: It has everything you need and nothing you don't. Normally,

1257
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 2: I would hate a car that only has a screen

1258
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: and no buttons, but this, for some reason works. The

1259
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: new m Bux system is amazing. I like the steering wheel.

1260
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: Nobody else likes the steering wheel with the touch controls.

1261
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you enjoyed adjusting the volume

1262
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: dragging your thumb.

1263
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: I will say I haven't really listened to music on

1264
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: the stereo because I like the fake engine noise so much.

1265
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh no, Matt, Oh God, I'm gonna.

1266
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: Regret saying I feel like this No Sugar thing is

1267
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: not good for.

1268
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm not eting Sugar since Sunday. Yeah.

1269
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a bad car. It's a

1270
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: it's a fine car. I'm just shocked that you're like

1271
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. Well it's a fine.

1272
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's so so much fun to drive.

1273
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: I like these big GT coops or coupe By the way,

1274
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: you should email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot

1275
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: net and tell me if it's coop or coupey. Is

1276
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: it coop or coupey.

1277
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: If you walk around saying coupey in the US, you're

1278
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna look like an idiot.

1279
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. The thing is pretty heavy, right, it's

1280
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: over four thousand pounds, but it has three hundred and

1281
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: I think three hundred and seventy five horse powers.

1282
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: Years sixty and over six seconds.

1283
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, that's

1284
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: the you're looking at the three hundred. This is the

1285
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: four fifty. Is zero to sixty and I think four

1286
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: point two four.

1287
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Point two seconds quick.

1288
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: No. But it's not a sports car. It's like a

1289
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: luxury GT. And so for me, Look, I'm driving in

1290
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: on the Sawmill to the Henry Hudson at five o'clock

1291
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: in the morning. There's like no place for cops to hide,

1292
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: so you can do super legal speeds pretty much the

1293
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: whole way. And it's a great car for that commute.

1294
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean super comfy seats. By the way, I'm six

1295
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: to three and all leg I don't fit in almost

1296
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: any car unless the seats all the way back. This

1297
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: is one of the few cars that I could actually

1298
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Speaker 2: have to move the seat forward to ride.

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Speaker 1: I agree, love it.

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: And the motor. I'm as shocked as you are. I'm

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01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: a total diehard V eight lover. This thing is an

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: in line six and therein lies my one issue with it.

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01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: So basically the way it's configured. I have it for

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm testing it for eighty thousand dollars. For eighty thousand dollars,

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01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: you could also buy a BMWM four, which is much

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: more of a weapon. Right, yes, but then again, this

1307
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 2: is a car. Maybe you don't want a weapon. Maybe

1308
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: you just want to commute from.

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: Me, like a very nice car, like very mild nice.

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01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: All right, you know, well, I like it.

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: I do think the starting prize for the for the

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01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: Inline four, which is like sixty three, I think the three. Yeah, yeah,

1313
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Like it's an entry level, it's

1314
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: a mass luxury, it's a it's a mass produced I.

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: Don't know, Inline four. I feel like you've kind of

1316
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: given up on life at that point.

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01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: How can you say that there's there's not a big

1318
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: difference between this mild hybrid six and inline dude.

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the inline six is an amazing

1320
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 2: engine configuration. It's one of the great engine configurations. And

1321
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: in line four unless it's an Alfa Romeo four C

1322
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: I like the Inline four in the BMW five thirty.

1323
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: I guess, but I'm just so surprised.

1324
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: Uh, just quickly tell me what you're doing next week.

1325
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm I'm doing next week and

1326
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: then we'll wrap.

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: On Saturday, I am traveling to Luxembourg to drive the

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01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: Doce Chillandry, the twelve cylinder Ferrari.

1329
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, You're going to Luxembourg to drive a Ferrari. Yes,

1330
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: you live the lights.

1331
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: I know. I'm I'm blessed. Blessed, No, I hate that term.

1332
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: By God.

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01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm really happy to go. It should be fun. I

1334
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: hope that I can get enough information to help everyone

1335
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: else learn whether they should buy it. And yeah, so

1336
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing on Saturday.

1337
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.

1338
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

1339
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: Well? Next week, I'm going to Singer presentation. I don't

1340
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: even know what it is, but Singer is going to

1341
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: be here in New York City and Grangich Village, and

1342
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: I have never seen a singer in real life. So

1343
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: I have the turbocharged Tour is what it's called.

1344
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's.

1345
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: Gonna essentially be Barry's car, Barrie's M four ninety one,

1346
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: but with a turbocharged motor and obviously highly modified. I'm excited,

1347
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: super excited to see a singer for the first time.

1348
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: Obviously a car I will never Probably you don't, that's true.

1349
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: It could become a bitcoin billionaire.

1350
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy out here on the West

1351
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: Coast that just won the biggest Powerball payout. I believe

1352
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: who's been buying cars lately. He should get a singer

1353
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: that could be you.

1354
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see that. Here in New York City,

1355
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: there's a Ducatti meet up that I'm excited for here.

1356
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: And then Indian has come out with an all new Scout.

1357
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 2: I know this is a cars podcast, but Indian.

1358
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: I love the Scout.

1359
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: It's a great it's like such a great platform for Indian. Yes,

1360
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: and I'm more of a chief guy.

1361
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, yes you are.

1362
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: But I'm excited to drive this new Scout and I'm

1363
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna get one to test out for a week, so

1364
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm looking very much forward. The dozens of listeners that

1365
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: we have should definitely email us. We've been getting some

1366
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: really cool starting, some really cool conversation, so hot pursuit

1367
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: at Bloomberg dot Net. Me and Hannah right back usually

1368
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: straight away. And we've got some cool guests coming up.

1369
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: We've got Chris Body, the trumpeter, who's really extremely cool,

1370
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: world renowned, has toured with everybody, including Frank Sinatra. He's

1371
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: actually a big car guy and he lives he had

1372
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: it well, he lives many places, but he's got a

1373
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: place at Thermal Track and so we're going to talk

1374
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: to him about his life and cars. He's got some

1375
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: other cool cars on order, so that'll be really fun.

1376
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: Having house at Thermal would be I mean, you might

1377
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: know a few people will talk.

1378
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: To him about that.

1379
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: I think it's such a cool idea. And I've never

1380
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: been to a track where people have houses and garage

1381
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 2: set up, and so you know, we talked to Lake Bell,

1382
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 2: her dad set up I think New Jersey Motorsports Park

1383
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: like that kind of or he set up vir right,

1384
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 2: which is cool, I should say. I also have Ali

1385
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: Javidan from Range Energy lined up. I don't know when,

1386
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: but I talked to his people today on the actual telephone,

1387
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: and this guy has been like, uh, he's worked. He

1388
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 2: started I think at his first big job at Tesla,

1389
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: but he's been all over the place and he knows

1390
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: everything about suspension. Is a huge Porsche guy. So he'll

1391
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: be coming on at some point. And then you are

1392
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: you gonna tell? Are you gonna say? The CEO?

1393
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: Yes, Chris Brownridge, the new CEO of Rolls Royce, will

1394
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: be coming on and we will have a lot of

1395
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: fun talking with him about all of his new plans.

1396
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: You know, he's following in big footsteps from mister Torston

1397
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: Mueller Oatbos who was there for I think thirteen years,

1398
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: So Chris has got his work cut out from.

1399
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: But I'll never forget the first time I dro drove

1400
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: a Rolls Royce Ghost with Torsten.

1401
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: How did that go?

1402
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's my all time favorite car, so.

1403
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

1404
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my number one. Wow, the old one, the

1405
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: Ghost too, from the like twenty tens. All right, cool,

1406
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: that's all for us this week. We'll be back, same time,

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01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: same place next week. I'm Matt Miller and.

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott. And this is Bloomberg