Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on
Speaker 1: an amazing Thursday. We are going to get to Brandon
Speaker 1: Wikert and start chopping away at some I want clarification
Speaker 1: on so many things going on in Iran, and he's
Speaker 1: always a wealth of knowledge. This is coming on the
Speaker 1: heels of a report that hasn't been disputed yet, but
Speaker 1: it's NBC a report that said Trump blew up at
Speaker 1: his advisors. I don't know who all was in the
Speaker 1: room about the lack of any kind of a resolution
Speaker 1: when it comes to Iran, they use the term exasperated.
Speaker 1: We've heard about the Chinese involvement in Russians, and apparently
Speaker 1: the Ukraine is somehow getting involved. What is real? And
Speaker 1: You've had so many questions for me once I've tried
Speaker 1: to explain before from both sides. I've had people say
Speaker 1: many why can't we just leave? I'm gonna ask Brandon
Speaker 1: Wikert that I want him to lay it out. You've
Speaker 1: also said the people on the flip side of it,
Speaker 1: why don't we just finish the job. Why don't we
Speaker 1: just keep going kill them all, change the regime? Why
Speaker 1: don't we just I'm gonna ask him that too. Buckle up,
Speaker 1: no matter how you feel, and we'll probably all learn
Speaker 1: something before we get to that. You can't help. But
Speaker 1: notice how defensive so many people were yesterday and today
Speaker 1: about doctor Fauci. It's all over the news. I mean
Speaker 1: all over the news. You had this kind of story.
Speaker 2: Ny Moreno's target in that hearing today was a man
Speaker 2: who has done more in service to this country and
Speaker 2: the world than every senator in that room and the
Speaker 2: entire current United States Senate combined.
Speaker 1: That's Laurence O'Donnell. You think he's defending Fauci there, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's defending himself.
Speaker 3: Here was Bill Deblasia, and Fauci was, thank god, someone
Speaker 3: who actually knew something and was consistent in the advice
Speaker 3: he gave and was someone you could have a real
Speaker 3: conversation with, unlike so many other folks in the administration.
Speaker 3: But I think the bottom line here is Trump once
Speaker 3: again and the Republicans in the Senate, surprisingly, they can't
Speaker 3: get out of their own way, Caitlin. They should not
Speaker 3: be talking about something that happened five years ago, which
Speaker 3: the American people want to put behind them. They should
Speaker 3: be talking about the crisis of today that the American It.
Speaker 1: Was five years ago. Here's an email, Hey Jesse, my
Speaker 1: dad was admitted to the hospital in April of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty in Huntsville, Alabama because of metastatic stomach cancer. During
Speaker 1: his time in the hospital, nobody was allowed to see
Speaker 1: him because of COVID protocols. He was alone with only
Speaker 1: medical staff when he was told that the feeding tube
Speaker 1: they put in him wasn't working and he was going
Speaker 1: to die. We were allowed to hold funeral services for
Speaker 1: him a few weeks later, but the military wouldn't send
Speaker 1: anyone to give him a military funeral honors because of
Speaker 1: COVID protocols. My dad served twenty seven years in the army.
Speaker 1: It was the thing he was most proud of, and
Speaker 1: the military couldn't honor that. Thanks for sharing this. My
Speaker 1: name is Aaron, but it was five years ago. It
Speaker 1: was five years ago, Hey Jesse. Okay, so she says,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up too much space, but
Speaker 1: COVID took my grandma on my dad's side and my
Speaker 1: grandpa on my mom's side. My grandma didn't get the shop,
Speaker 1: but was in a nursing home at the time. She
Speaker 1: had a stroke and the nursing home wanted to put
Speaker 1: her in the hospital. We said absolutely not. My dad
Speaker 1: and his siblings brought her home to my aunt's house
Speaker 1: and we see firsthand the bruises she had from the
Speaker 1: nursing home. We weren't allowed to see her when COVID
Speaker 1: first hit. She didn't understand it. She had Parkinson's and
Speaker 1: could barely speak. She passed away two weeks later in
Speaker 1: my aunt's home. That was November of twenty My grandpa
Speaker 1: passed away in November of twenty twenty four. He got
Speaker 1: two shots in twenty twenty one and had heart problems
Speaker 1: ever since. He went to stand up from his bed,
Speaker 1: fell to the floor instantly. He died alone, faced down,
Speaker 1: and I never got to say goodbye. My son and
Speaker 1: him were best buds, and I hate it that we
Speaker 1: have to live without him. I miss him every day.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all you do. And if this gets
Speaker 1: to the air, says, I can say her name or
Speaker 1: name is Ashley, Now listen to Bill Deblasio.
Speaker 3: And Fauci was, thank god, someone who actually knew something
Speaker 3: and was consistent in the advice he gave and was
Speaker 3: someone you could have a real conversation with unlike so
Speaker 3: many other folks in the administration. But I think the
Speaker 3: bottom line here is Trump once again and the Republicans
Speaker 3: in the Senate. Surprisingly, they can't get out of their
Speaker 3: own way, Caitlin. They should not be talking about something
Speaker 3: that happened five years ago.
Speaker 1: Bill Deblasio isn't defending Fauci, He's defending him self. These
Speaker 1: people who participated in this horror. To watch the bloom
Speaker 1: fall off the rose for Fauci means the bloom has
Speaker 1: fallen off the rose for themselves. Yesterday was a very
Speaker 1: important day that Fauci stuff went national. This is the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator of the Philadelphia Eagles at a press conference yesterday.
Speaker 4: The plan at safety is at Marcus Jabaloos. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be like Fauci and just take the Fifth Amendment on
Speaker 4: out questions.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that? Oh my god, what was
Speaker 1: the question? It broke containment. The country saw, they saw
Speaker 1: the disgraced little man. And now the Lawrence O'Donnell's, the
Speaker 1: Bill of the Blasio's, and so many other people. They
Speaker 1: are the ones exposed, They are the ones who look terrible. Hey, Jess,
Speaker 1: you mentioned you have family in Ohio. If you're ever
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and want to literally, we don't use that word,
Speaker 1: play a tall shadow in an all veteran cast and
Speaker 1: crew Western. Hit me up, Chris, I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: movie star. What what are you? What? Chris said? I
Speaker 1: don't know how big the role is. Maybe it's minor.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be minor when I take it. Listen, Chris,
Speaker 1: there's been all kinds of stories in Hollywood history of
Speaker 1: just an extra on a show turning out to be
Speaker 1: a star. He starts out as an extra. What happens?
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, I'm in the background, But what if
Speaker 1: I think of something funny to say and I drop
Speaker 1: it out there, even when I haven't been given permission,
Speaker 1: and the director says, oh my gosh, this guy's amazing.
Speaker 1: Who is this? Let's make him a star? I bet
Speaker 1: I could see it, Chris, I certainly have the look
Speaker 1: for it. You don't. Hey, Jesse, thank you, that's all
Speaker 1: it says. You're welcome. I don't even know what I did,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it was something awesome. Thank you to
Speaker 1: Trump for this.
Speaker 5: We've already removed more than twenty four thousand non English
Speaker 5: speakers from behind the wheel. We've also forced states to
Speaker 5: cancel more than twenty eight thousand commercial drivers' licenses unlawfully
Speaker 5: issued to illegal aliens.
Speaker 1: Day word love it. Did you hear? Did you hear
Speaker 1: what Jasmin Crockett said? I mean this, Jasmin Krok. She
Speaker 1: is a gift. She really is a gift. I've told you,
Speaker 1: I'm really mad that she's leaving the house. Now we're
Speaker 1: going to get the same vote because it's some new
Speaker 1: scumbag who's going to represent that scumback district. But she
Speaker 1: was wonderful for us because she's such a toxic, toxic,
Speaker 1: poisonous person. She was always making Democrats look terrible and
Speaker 1: she just says the dumbest thing and the most insulting things.
Speaker 1: She'll go to public, in public and say.
Speaker 6: That young black woman was telling me that her dad,
Speaker 6: a black man, who was like, I can't vote for Kamala.
Speaker 6: He was like, if I go vote, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: for Trump. And she asked him, I know, right, And
Speaker 6: I asked, I said, did he vote? She was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't want to ask. But nevertheless,
Speaker 6: one of the things that she said was my dad
Speaker 6: said he could trust, he could trust Trump, and I
Speaker 6: was like, really.
Speaker 1: Toxic. Listen, and then she just makes stuff up. This
Speaker 1: is very common in the in the poisonous sectors of
Speaker 1: the black community in America. We've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: how poisonous it is that you just make stuff up.
Speaker 1: You know, we we built America and all this ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 1: We landed on the moon. First, you say things like
Speaker 1: that number one.
Speaker 6: When they decided to go after quote unquote DEI black
Speaker 6: women the most educated demographic in this country.
Speaker 1: Somehow, what our black women the most educated demographic in America? Ah,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna guess that's the Asians. What Chris, It's
Speaker 1: gotta be the Asians. You know how good they are
Speaker 1: at school and Jesse. Sometimes you just have a hankering.
Speaker 1: After you bringing up red lobster shrimp scampy, I just
Speaker 1: have to have some, since I can't afford the high
Speaker 1: society of red lobster. I went to a nice little
Speaker 1: Italian place where they always treat you like family. I
Speaker 1: am dis maade to report that the plate of scampy
Speaker 1: served to me had a total of five smallest shrimps
Speaker 1: tossed in among the angel here pasta and sauce. When
Speaker 1: did it come to this and they only brought me
Speaker 1: two breadsticks? When did Chris get in the restaurant franchise business?
Speaker 1: That is all? I'm a shrimp man, all right. I
Speaker 1: love shrimp. I love shrimp, scampy, black and shrimp. I
Speaker 1: am a shrimp guy. The problem with shrimp is it's
Speaker 1: almost impossible to fill up on shrimp. The other night,
Speaker 1: the reason this is near and dear to my heart,
Speaker 1: the other night, Bob says she's making shrimp scampy for dinner.
Speaker 1: I wasn't scampy. I take that back, some kind of
Speaker 1: garlic shrimp. I'm sure it was like shrimp scampy. The
Speaker 1: reason I don't know what it was like is I
Speaker 1: kid you not. She made two pounds of shrimp. I
Speaker 1: think she steamed it, or two pounds of shrimp. By
Speaker 1: the time I walked in the door, the boys had
Speaker 1: eaten all of it. I didn't get a single one,
Speaker 1: not a single shrimp. There's something about those things, Chris.
Speaker 1: You people can't even eat them, so you don't know
Speaker 1: what it's like. There's something about these things. Well, you've
Speaker 1: had it before. I didn't want to give that away.
Speaker 1: On the ear. I wouldn't want to embarrass you anyway.
Speaker 1: There's something about these shrimp. They just disappear. I don't
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Speaker 1: on a wonderful, Wonderful Thursday. Member Tomorrow's Ask Doctor Jesse Friday.
Speaker 1: Get your questions emailed in right now to Jesse at
Speaker 1: Jesse kellyshow dot com. I will continue to say this AI.
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Speaker 1: how big and pervasive it's going to be. But there
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Speaker 1: worst salesman for AI are the guys who lead these companies.
Speaker 1: They should outsource the selling of AI to someone else.
Speaker 1: This is Sam Altman, He's the CEO of OpenAI. This
Speaker 1: is not This is not good.
Speaker 4: I mean I feel kind of bad about it because
Speaker 4: we have this like genius level at everything intelligence sitting
Speaker 4: there like waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, why does my kid stop dropping his pizza
Speaker 4: on the floor and laughing? Yeah, you know, And so
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm not asking a good enough question,
Speaker 4: but it is. I don't I cannot imagine having gone
Speaker 4: through that, like figuring out how to raise a newborn
Speaker 4: without Chatti. Clearly people did it for a long time,
Speaker 4: no problem.
Speaker 1: What I could not imagine raising a newborn without chat GPT.
Speaker 1: Do you know how terrible that makes you sound. It's
Speaker 1: not good speaking of sounding terrible. This is Danny ben Benski.
Speaker 1: She is classified as an Epstein survivor. I don't have
Speaker 1: anything in front of me to dispute that. That's fine,
Speaker 1: she was talking about they finally got a meeting with
Speaker 1: Todd Blanche here she was.
Speaker 7: When you say he was condescending, yeah, I mean he
Speaker 7: actually said the words get to the point to us,
Speaker 7: where survivors who've been waiting to meet with him for
Speaker 7: nine months, eight months, we've been asking for meetings, and
Speaker 7: he very much said, can you get to the point already?
Speaker 7: Like you, what are you getting at right?
Speaker 1: So to treat us with that sort of.
Speaker 7: There was no integrity, There was no understanding that he's
Speaker 7: dealing with the largest sex trafficking ring that we've seen
Speaker 7: in the US ever. Instead, it was like, you have
Speaker 7: an Epstein.
Speaker 1: Problem, Okay, who did it? I'm going to keep bringing
Speaker 1: this up and I know it's uncomfortable and I know
Speaker 1: it makes people mad. I'm starting to get a little
Speaker 1: bit suspicious. I'm getting suspicious because we have this group
Speaker 1: of Epstein survivors and I'm not I'm not doubting that
Speaker 1: they had dealings with Epstein. Maybe maybe it was really bad.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were dealings they were happy to do. I
Speaker 1: don't have any app Maybe there's dealings they were paid for.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know there's a lot of all
Speaker 1: of that in epstein background, and I know Epstein's a
Speaker 1: bad guy. We've had approximately ten thousand press conferences with
Speaker 1: these ladies not a single name, not a single name.
Speaker 1: So I can imagine Todd Blanche saying, get to the point,
Speaker 1: who is it? Who did what? I want to hear
Speaker 1: the names, And I'm actually very interested in hearing the names.
Speaker 1: You know, we got the upstream files of this name
Speaker 1: in there and that name in there, and some of
Speaker 1: that stuff turned out to be crap, and some of
Speaker 1: it turned out to be reo when Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: If these are really living, breathing witnesses and possibly victims
Speaker 1: of what happened, I want names, And if you're unwilling
Speaker 1: or unable to provide names, I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: echo Todd Blanche here and say, get to the point,
Speaker 1: what the what is it you're seeking? What is it?
Speaker 1: If there is an international trafficking ring, and I suspect
Speaker 1: there are many international trafficking I take that back. I
Speaker 1: know there are many international tracking rings. It's just something
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. I would like to know who's running it.
Speaker 1: I would like to know who's involved. I would like
Speaker 1: to know who's doing it. But every time you give
Speaker 1: a press conference and you don't tell me anything, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get suspicious that you either don't know, or
Speaker 1: that you're covering for somebody, or maybe you're out for
Speaker 1: something other than justice. I want some names. Jesse, my
Speaker 1: wife and I got into a disagreement about something I said,
Speaker 1: and we need a mediator. When talking about government officials
Speaker 1: that intentionally destroyed the economy by lying in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I said they should be tried, and when convicted, we
Speaker 1: should sell tickets to an open air stadium and toss
Speaker 1: them without a parachute from fifteen thousand feet above. There
Speaker 1: is a net at the fifty yard line, so they
Speaker 1: could potentially live. It would be a cultural gathering, and
Speaker 1: it would send a message to the rest of the population.
Speaker 1: She said that I was a monster. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had this same conversation with my wife so many
Speaker 1: times before. You may be a monster, but that's what
Speaker 1: it takes. Sometimes when a country has become corrupted, when
Speaker 1: its politicians or its leaders are corrupted, when it's full
Speaker 1: of foreigners and dirt balls, sometimes it takes. Oftentimes it
Speaker 1: takes a tyrant of some kind, a monster of some kind.
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for tossing anybody out of a plane,
Speaker 1: but I've told you before, the worst punishments in this
Speaker 1: society should be reserved for government officials who abuse their power.
Speaker 1: The worst punishment death penalty. The death penalty should be
Speaker 1: the norm for someone in government who abuses their power.
Speaker 1: I don't say that because I want to see people
Speaker 1: stracked to an electric chair. I say that because that's
Speaker 1: how you keep a society in order. That's how you
Speaker 1: keep a government in order. You hold them to the
Speaker 1: highest standards. Instead, we have that completely flipped where they're
Speaker 1: not held to any standards at all, and that's why
Speaker 1: they're not afraid to keep doing all the things that
Speaker 1: they did. This guy should be quaking in his boots.
Speaker 1: This was Fauci. By the way, this is a flashback
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two. He went on. Cameron said that.
Speaker 2: If I become a punching bag, I'm a punching bag.
Speaker 2: But I am very happy to testify before any Congressional
Speaker 2: oversight committee.
Speaker 1: I have none except he took the fifth fine, go
Speaker 1: to a cage, all right, Brandon Wiker's going to tell
Speaker 1: us about Iran next truth attitude, Jesse Kelly. It is
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Thursday. Member tomorrow
Speaker 1: is ask doctor Jesse Friday, and you need to get
Speaker 1: your questions emailed in now to Jesse at Jesse kellyshow
Speaker 1: dot com. So I promised you. Brandon Weikert, and Brandon
Speaker 1: Weickert is here. Brandon, Before we get going, why don't
Speaker 1: you go ahead and give out your substack because I
Speaker 1: think it's outstanding. What is your substack again where people
Speaker 1: can get all this intel?
Speaker 8: Well, thank you. I just started about a month ago.
Speaker 8: It's the Wykert Brief and it's U We do deep
Speaker 8: dives on geopolitics, international relations, and basically, if you want
Speaker 8: to know the news six months from now, you're gonna
Speaker 8: want to check out my substack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really really good. It's really good. And the
Speaker 1: Wiker brief. All right, So, Brandon, the reason I reached
Speaker 1: out today is there's so much recent news, recent reports
Speaker 1: about Iran. We have rumors of a land blockade, we
Speaker 1: have rumors of Chinese providing man pats or something to them.
Speaker 1: We now have an NBC report out and again it's NBC.
Speaker 1: I realized that. But apparently Trump had a quote expl
Speaker 1: soove meeting with his advisors, very frustrated. I believe the
Speaker 1: term they used was exasperated with the whole affair. So
Speaker 1: allow me to hand you the Jesse Kelly show. What
Speaker 1: is going on and why?
Speaker 8: Well, unfortunately, President Trump has gotten himself, not unlike George W. Bush,
Speaker 8: into another Middle East war with no clear, definable objective
Speaker 8: and no exit strategy. And unfortunately, in my view, the
Speaker 8: President now finds himself stuck. Obviously he is not. He's
Speaker 8: not a chieved victory in any semblance of the word.
Speaker 8: If he had, we would have been out of this
Speaker 8: thing by now. So he's looking trying to figure out
Speaker 8: how does he get out without risking a larger escalation
Speaker 8: because the Iranians clearly are not going to just give
Speaker 8: up either, And how does he get out without looking
Speaker 8: like he lost? And that's the real rub here, because
Speaker 8: there is no way out without at least some degree
Speaker 8: of acceptance that we did not achieve whatever we sought
Speaker 8: out to achieve. Did we degrade certain Iranian capabilities? Absolutely?
Speaker 8: Did we set back their nuclear weapons program by at
Speaker 8: least you know, a couple, you know, maybe eighteen months.
Speaker 8: Probably Did we overthrow the regime? No, we just replaced
Speaker 8: one iotola with another. In fact, we probably did more
Speaker 8: to strengthen the hardliners with this war than anything that
Speaker 8: we could have done other than the war. So it
Speaker 8: to me looks like the president is realizing that which
Speaker 8: I was saying back. You know, I was on Tucker's show,
Speaker 8: i think the first time in March, and I was
Speaker 8: warning about depletion rates of our critical systems our weapons.
Speaker 8: There's about fourteen key systems. Some of them are offensive
Speaker 8: long range precision striggnitions. Others are these kind of defensive
Speaker 8: interceptors that we use to protect our bases and to
Speaker 8: protect our allies. Those fourteen key systems have been drastically depleted,
Speaker 8: and the strategic petroleum reserve is being depleted far greater
Speaker 8: than we thought it would be at this point. And
Speaker 8: all that is going on as the United States does
Speaker 8: not have the regular flow or the world, i should say,
Speaker 8: the regular flow of energy, agricultural and industrial inputs coming
Speaker 8: out of the Middle East that we are accustomed to having,
Speaker 8: which is going to create and already has started to
Speaker 8: create disruptions in our economy, and that is setting up
Speaker 8: the conditions for a real economic crisis, all as we
Speaker 8: enter midterm season, and the President is exasperated because I
Speaker 8: think he's realizing that, and I think he's realizing that
Speaker 8: so many of the advisors he hired are clearly not
Speaker 8: up to the job and they're not giving him the
Speaker 8: advice on how to get out. And the one guy
Speaker 8: who is telling him we should get out, the vice president.
Speaker 8: It sounds like the President doesn't really want to listen
Speaker 8: per se, because that gets us back to the position
Speaker 8: of well, that means the president that has to admit
Speaker 8: we didn't win the Iran war, and he doesn't want
Speaker 8: to be seen as that as losing or as not winning.
Speaker 8: So this is where we are right now, and this
Speaker 8: war will continue in some form because of that. You
Speaker 8: mentioned the man pads from China, Jesse. This is an
Speaker 8: escalatory thing. It is expanding. The war is beyond just Iran.
Speaker 8: You now have Iranians hitting the straight over Moose. Beyond that,
Speaker 8: you have the Iranians hitting the two ships, the gas
Speaker 8: ships in near Egypt. You have the Chinese moving these
Speaker 8: man pads in through through Central Asia into northern Iran.
Speaker 8: You've had Ukraine attacking Iranian ships in the Caspian Sea.
Speaker 8: I mean, it goes on and on and on. But
Speaker 8: the bottom line is this war. The longer it goes on,
Speaker 8: the greater the expansion of the war.
Speaker 1: Okay, Brandon, So let's just I get this email question
Speaker 1: in a lot and I've attempted to answer it in
Speaker 1: my own way, but I want to throw it to you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that we can't just walk away because then
Speaker 1: it would look like we're losing.
Speaker 8: But let me let me, let me, let me just clarify.
Speaker 8: I think that's exactly what we should do at this point.
Speaker 8: But I'm saying the president. The President doesn't want to
Speaker 8: do that because he doesn't want to admit that, you know,
Speaker 8: we have egg on our face. Now, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Though, No, no, no, it's fine. Actually, that kind of
Speaker 1: goes where I was going with it. Why can't he
Speaker 1: just leave? But then you know, you know Trump, he's
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and how he is leave and declare victory
Speaker 1: when you don't have to leave and say sorry, I
Speaker 1: screwed up. You leave, you hold a press conference, you
Speaker 1: did it, and come, oh, what prevents that?
Speaker 8: I think you've got two factors here. I go the
Speaker 8: one thing, definitely, And I think the President has said
Speaker 8: this a couple of times. I know Rubio, who's now
Speaker 8: the Secretary of Everything, he said this a bunch of times.
Speaker 8: And I think even Vance might have said it at
Speaker 8: one point. In the last few weeks, everybody in DC
Speaker 8: is very concerned about leaving the Strait of Hormuz in
Speaker 8: the control of your own. They're worried about the implications.
Speaker 8: They're worried about what that would mean for the petro dollar,
Speaker 8: for the dollar dominance. Is basically the concern is if
Speaker 8: they let the Iranians take control and start tolling the
Speaker 8: straight in their minds, it will have knock on effects
Speaker 8: where other countries near other critical choke points will do
Speaker 8: the same. And basically, the entire idea that undergirded the
Speaker 8: post world war. To international system was freedom of trade,
Speaker 8: freedom of movement internationally, and that basically will be gone.
Speaker 8: And the reason one of the main reasons the US
Speaker 8: was allowed to become the global hedgemon, particularly after the
Speaker 8: Cold War, but also after World War Two to some degree,
Speaker 8: was because the rest of the world said, Okay, the
Speaker 8: US Navy will ensure freedom of navigation in all these
Speaker 8: hot spots. That means trade will flow, that means everybody
Speaker 8: will get rich. Okay, we will use the dollar, we'll
Speaker 8: do business according to the American way. But if the
Speaker 8: US Navy can no longer allow, it can no longer
Speaker 8: accomplish that mission, not at least believably, then new calculations
Speaker 8: are made by everyone, and that's the end of the
Speaker 8: US led order as we understand it. And I think
Speaker 8: Trump is very sensitive to being seen as the last
Speaker 8: president of that order, and I think that's one of
Speaker 8: the reasons. I think the other reason is I think
Speaker 8: the president is very close to Netsan Yaho. Not just politically,
Speaker 8: I think he's very close to nets In Yahoo personally.
Speaker 8: The Israelis clearly do not want this war to end
Speaker 8: in any way that the Islamic Republic will continue on
Speaker 8: and so they're more than happy to see us, at
Speaker 8: the very least engaged in another endless war, because then
Speaker 8: the pressure will always be on the Islamic Republic. As
Speaker 8: the Israelis assess and Trump listens to Netanyaho, he buys
Speaker 8: in to a lot of the things Netanyah who tells him,
Speaker 8: which is one of the reasons we're in this war
Speaker 8: to begin with. So I think those are the two
Speaker 8: main reasons for why he is at the strategic level
Speaker 8: unwilling to walk away. I think there's a third reason
Speaker 8: real quick, and I think that's also the fact that
Speaker 8: you know it's Trump. He doesn't want people to people
Speaker 8: will hold this against him. I know he may in
Speaker 8: another way try to get out by saying I want
Speaker 8: even if he didn't, and that is the old Trump
Speaker 8: we all knew. But I think this situation is so
Speaker 8: big and everybody's paying so close attention to it. I
Speaker 8: think Trump is aware he can't just declare victory and
Speaker 8: come home. He's going to have a on his face
Speaker 8: and he doesn't want to have to deal with that.
Speaker 8: So you got the ego factor as well.
Speaker 1: Speaking with Brandon Wikert, we are going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we are going to come back with
Speaker 1: more of this. It's just too good. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: him around for a while. Hang on truth attitude. Jesse Kelly,
Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a fantastic Thursday.
Speaker 1: We are back with Brandon Wykert. Remember his substack. As
Speaker 1: you can imagine, it's really really good the Whykert brief.
Speaker 1: I would check it out if I were you. Brandon, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me go. I already asked you a question.
Speaker 1: I get a lot. Why not just leave you laid
Speaker 1: that out for us. Let me ask you the flip
Speaker 1: side of this, because I get emails from an all
Speaker 1: over map on it. It's not hard to hate the
Speaker 1: Iranian regime. It's not hard to say, hey, they've been
Speaker 1: killing us for a while, screw them. Why don't we
Speaker 1: just quote finish the job. I get that email all
Speaker 1: the time, Finish the job. Finish the job. So I
Speaker 1: know that's probably not your preference, but if it was,
Speaker 1: can we do what does finish the job look like?
Speaker 8: I think you, of all people with your background in
Speaker 8: the military, I think you know that is such a
Speaker 8: tall order given the limitations. After twenty five plus years
Speaker 8: of constant warfare. The US military is not at its
Speaker 8: peak performance. You've had not only twenty five years of
Speaker 8: constant warfare, but you've had the gutting of a lot
Speaker 8: of top leaders during the Obama years, replaced with these
Speaker 8: DEI people. You've had even during the end of the
Speaker 8: I would say during the Biden years. Also, you had
Speaker 8: a lot of COVID people. You know, a lot of
Speaker 8: the leaders that would have led us well were forced
Speaker 8: out because they didn't want to take the vaccines during COVID,
Speaker 8: and not all of them have been brought back. In
Speaker 8: contrary to with the Pentagon claims today, they've not been
Speaker 8: made whole. So the point is is that you have
Speaker 8: a lot of issues, and not to mention the arsenal depletion,
Speaker 8: not to mention the fact that the military just is
Speaker 8: not as as robost as it once was because of
Speaker 8: all of the operational tempo they've been made to sustain
Speaker 8: since nine to eleven. Really, the military is not what
Speaker 8: it once was, and it really needs, I would say,
Speaker 8: about a decade of no constant warfare of just rebuilding
Speaker 8: before we could even think about doing what some of
Speaker 8: your viewers or listeners are saying, because basically, when somebody
Speaker 8: says finished the job. In a country like Iran, where
Speaker 8: the regime is dug in like a tick, it's going
Speaker 8: to require more than the bombardment that we did. It's
Speaker 8: going to require also ground troops. And nobody really wants that,
Speaker 8: least of all me. And I don't think the president
Speaker 8: really want I think he'd do it. I think he
Speaker 8: might do some ground attack in a limited fashion near
Speaker 8: the straight of Horn moves. But to actually quote finish
Speaker 8: the job that implies regime change, You can't regime change
Speaker 8: by air war alone. We tried that. It was supposed
Speaker 8: to be a ninety six hour air war that ended
Speaker 8: in the overthrow of the Iatolas. It did not work. Now,
Speaker 8: almost six months into this thing with no end in sight.
Speaker 8: So if you want to finish the job, it means
Speaker 8: really finishing the job. It means you have to somehow
Speaker 8: have a ground force that can mass, that can have
Speaker 8: the time it needs to get the logistical supply chain
Speaker 8: in place to sustain an invasion. Has to be willing
Speaker 8: to take a lot of losses up front. We're not
Speaker 8: there yet. We're not there ever, I don't think, and
Speaker 8: so there is no way to fink I mean The
Speaker 8: only other thing I can think of is nukes. And
Speaker 8: while I don't discount the possibility that we might drop
Speaker 8: a B sixty one on Pickax Mountain, I also don't
Speaker 8: believe at all that the US military or the President
Speaker 8: are going to go along with an idea of drop
Speaker 8: nukes elsewhere in Iran. I don't think we're there yet.
Speaker 8: But those are really the only two ways I can
Speaker 8: think of, because we already tried the regime change not
Speaker 8: only by air, but regime change by popular overthrow, and
Speaker 8: the popular overthrow never came right, so and the people
Speaker 8: who could have done that on the ground were all
Speaker 8: wiped out or arrested already, so they've been broken up
Speaker 8: by the regime back in January. So there's nobody on
Speaker 8: the ground really that's organized enough and that has the
Speaker 8: popular support to do a regime change on their own.
Speaker 8: And so here we are. Do we invade the country
Speaker 8: that's insane? Or do we drop a nuke? I mean,
Speaker 8: what do we do to finish the job? We can't
Speaker 8: finish the job the way I think a lot of
Speaker 8: those boomers probably that you're talking to, are saying we should,
Speaker 8: because let's face it, most of the people running the
Speaker 8: country are boomers, and they have no idea what reality is.
Speaker 8: They're completely insulated from it.
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Speaker 1: only got about two and a half minutes left, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna beg you to actually stay for one more,
Speaker 1: but Pickaxe Mountain? Can you give me the two minutes
Speaker 1: on Pickaxe Mountain. I've referenced it on the show, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people are.
Speaker 8: Like, what, yeah, yeah. So basically, it's one of the
Speaker 8: deepest military facilities in the world. They began the Iranians
Speaker 8: began construction on it in twenty twenty because they looked
Speaker 8: around and said, the Americans might be able to destroy
Speaker 8: our other nuclear facilities. They've built weapons specific for knocking
Speaker 8: them down. We're gonna build a system of facility. I've
Speaker 8: been liking it, liking it to the Death Star from
Speaker 8: Star Wars. You know, it's like Return of the Jedi
Speaker 8: at the end there. It's not complete, it's still under construction,
Speaker 8: but once it's fully armed and operational, it will be
Speaker 8: able to basically completely mass produce nuclear weapons, store them,
Speaker 8: and it will be nearly impossible for all But you know,
Speaker 8: any of our non nuclear bombs will be very difficult
Speaker 8: for those systems to hit, which is why I mentioned
Speaker 8: earlier the B sixty one to eleven, which is a
Speaker 8: ground penetrating tactical nuke. That's really the only system we
Speaker 8: have that could collapse that thing. But right now it's
Speaker 8: still not yet fully constructed is rarely intelligence and saying
Speaker 8: it's already complete and they're already storing the blessed nuclear
Speaker 8: dust there that Trump keeps talking about. But the bottom
Speaker 8: line is it's a very important facility. Once it is
Speaker 8: fully operational, you know, basically all it will be the
Speaker 8: epicenter of Iran's nuclear weapons program. And it's there's some
Speaker 8: argument as to whether it is operation, which is why
Speaker 8: they're targeting it now because they think if they can
Speaker 8: get it before it goes operational, it'll basically kneecap the
Speaker 8: Iranian nuclear production capability for years. But you know, the
Speaker 8: point is it's very hard to get to. We don't
Speaker 8: have enough of those massive ordinance penetrators anymore. There's only
Speaker 8: about probably half a dozen left in our arsenal. We
Speaker 8: needed fourteen of those things to hit the nuclear sites
Speaker 8: we hit last year in the Twelve day war. We're
Speaker 8: gonna need a lot more than just six. So unless
Speaker 8: we're gonna use a B sixty one eleven, I don't
Speaker 8: know what the expectations, But that's why everybody's talking about it,
Speaker 8: because it's like the epicenter, and it's the most advanced
Speaker 8: nuclear weapons development and storage site in the Islamic Republic today.
Speaker 1: Brandon, you can say no because I didn't even ask you,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but I haven't even asked about Russia,
Speaker 1: what they're doing with this stuff, China, why they're doing.
Speaker 1: Do you have the ten more minutes for me?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, I got ten more minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, All right, Brandon Weikert. The Wykert brief is
Speaker 1: his sub stack. We are going to rewrite back to
Speaker 1: clear the rest of this up. Hang on,