WEBVTT - Party of One

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to I Do Part two. I'm one of

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<v Speaker 1>your celebrity mentors here on the pod, Cheryl Burke. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about sex and intimacy from a

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<v Speaker 1>single woman's perspective. You guys know, I have been really

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<v Speaker 1>open about my celibacy journey, so I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that and also about this new trend we're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about sleeping in separate rooms. So today we're

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<v Speaker 1>joined by relationship coach doctor Shanna Bromley to talk all

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<v Speaker 1>about it. How are you, doctor Shanna, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I've done a little bit of research on you,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's just get right into it and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>navigating intimacy. You know, I'm single. I have been very

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<v Speaker 1>open with my journey and how I've been celibate, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been choosing, obviously to be celibate for the past

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<v Speaker 1>I would say three years. I'm divorced and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>choosing to date myself and it's been lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious what brought you to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Decision dating myself?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dating yourself being celibate. It's I admire the commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always curious when people make that commitment to themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something I've never done before. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a serial dater. Like I never was single,

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<v Speaker 1>not even for a day. It was always back to

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<v Speaker 1>back relationships since I was thirteen and I'm forty now,

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<v Speaker 1>so it has been something that I am also very

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<v Speaker 1>much in therapy and I have been for most of

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<v Speaker 1>my life and I will continue to be till the

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<v Speaker 1>day I die. But I this is part of my

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<v Speaker 1>work and being sober now for six years, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that I now owe to myself. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no rush for me to start dating again.

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<v Speaker 2>And for you being solid. Bit is it about not

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<v Speaker 2>having sex and sexuality with partners or is it also

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<v Speaker 2>part of you shutting down your own sexual energy?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, I'm very sexual with myself. Okay, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but no I'm not dating, so therefore there is that

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<v Speaker 1>is not an option for me at the moment, which

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<v Speaker 1>is okay because I also fall in love quickly if

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<v Speaker 1>I do become intimate with you. But this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently working on, right So I mean, look, it

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<v Speaker 1>all traces back to the way I was raised, to

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<v Speaker 1>the trauma I deal with this little girl. My definition

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<v Speaker 1>of love is not necessarily something that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to live by because I want to change the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern in my brain. So in order for that to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>I really have to slowly rewire. You know, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>time limit, there's no taking time bomb, though there is

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<v Speaker 1>for our lives, but like one day at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>like my sobriety, and yeah, I just don't have that

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<v Speaker 1>urge like I used to. I think I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I needed that person was going to complete me. But

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<v Speaker 1>we all know that that doesn't happen through outside sources, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all from within, And that's what I'm currently working

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<v Speaker 1>on at this moment all at all. I've been very

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<v Speaker 1>open with just my story, especially on this podcast. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe is important when it comes to whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's newly being broken up as far as intimacy goes,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's with yourself or with other partners, Is it

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<v Speaker 1>important to continue the intimacy? Is it okay to take breaks?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it okay to just be celibate like me?

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<v Speaker 2>I think absolutely, it's okay to do whatever you feel

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<v Speaker 2>called to do. I don't think celibacy, it's I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the connections, your sexual connection should be the connection you

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<v Speaker 2>have with yourself. I don't think that that should ever

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<v Speaker 2>go away. I think that's something that we should always

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<v Speaker 2>invest our time into. Sensuality is absolutely something that every

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<v Speaker 2>woman and every man that they should keep for them selves,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they're in a partnership or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And when it comes to the older generation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that there is this whole thing when

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<v Speaker 1>giving pleasure to yourself for example, right, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is generational. I don't know, maybe it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just where I was raised, who knows, But

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that there is this weird like how dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't you can't please yourself and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in a marriage or you know, all of these

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<v Speaker 1>societal expectations. How how does one accept themselves if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do something that may not be what they

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<v Speaker 1>think is right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you are a spot on. I think society,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's church, whether it's our educational systems, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>just traditional family values and systems have programmed us to

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<v Speaker 2>feel that sex for pleasure, self pleasure, that it's dirty

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<v Speaker 2>and the big stigma behind it. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think especially so for women, you know that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be the good girl, you're supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>program and so pleasing yourself. Yeah, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us need to break through those like societal programmings

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<v Speaker 2>that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Number one just understanding that pleasure is not

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<v Speaker 2>a dirty thing. Pleasure is divine, It is a gift

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<v Speaker 2>in I mean, sensuality essentially means tuning into your sense it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing dirty or wrong about that. It's beautiful part

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<v Speaker 2>of being a human being. And I think if you're

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<v Speaker 2>having a hard time kind of breaking through that cap,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can do some research and find other people

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<v Speaker 2>who are also struggling with the same programming and then

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<v Speaker 2>realize like, hey, I'm not the only one that's feeling

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<v Speaker 2>this way. There's a lot people that want to be

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<v Speaker 2>having pleasure and are having pleasure and it's normal and

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<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful and it should be cherished and it should

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<v Speaker 2>be celebrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I think also having these conversations are it's

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<v Speaker 1>very important, you know, because we have to normalize it,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is not I think living in that strict

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in that world in our heads mainly, right,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? Because like when you start to actually have

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation, You're like, oh, I'm not alone, like at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, do you think that women get judged more for

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<v Speaker 2>being celibate than than men? Do? I find means it's wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so strong and with women, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>whole different mindset around it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like because I've been so open, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I I'm like an open book. I can care

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<v Speaker 1>less what I mean, I care what people think about

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<v Speaker 1>or what's what they think as far as like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>of what I say is it too much? But it

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<v Speaker 1>is because I'm a woman, Like I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>get celebrated enough. That is kind of like, oh, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find the right one, Like that's not the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm celibate. Like I know I can find the right one,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not out there finding the right one because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to, Like I'm finding myself right. So

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<v Speaker 1>like that alone, it's almost like that without even the

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<v Speaker 1>celibacy part, it's kind of like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely people think that as a woman, a single woman,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's it's it's a sad experience. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, seeing single is so empowering. You get to

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<v Speaker 2>design your life. You don't need to accommodate anybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's such a it's such an empowering experience, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's very sad that society looks on it like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you poor thing, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna die alone. Well how about this, We're all gonna

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<v Speaker 1>die alone? Like this is not a new news people,

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<v Speaker 1>and like who's going to take care of you when

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<v Speaker 1>you're old? Like what this is? Instead? Like you know

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<v Speaker 1>how people celebrate, Oh, we're Instagram official, Like I'm Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>official with myself, Like why can't we all just celebrate both,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the fact like Valentine's Day it's oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so so, Like I am so I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>so consistently content, and the love I have for myself

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<v Speaker 1>has never been where it is today. Put it that way,

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<v Speaker 1>not even close than when I was in relationships. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's black and white, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>truly believe that maybe now if I were to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a relationship, yes, things would change, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>take time to cause my I always say my lazy brain,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning like if I'm not really conscious and really thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about who I'm dating or what I'm attracting and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>I will go back to those old patterns right so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not scared of doing it. I'm just like, in

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<v Speaker 1>this moment, in this present time, I'm really enjoying myself

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<v Speaker 1>in my own company, and I don't think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad I'm forty, yes, And people are like, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>do you realize it? Maybe you're not gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have kids. I'm like, yeah, guys, Like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy how people are so open and quick to

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<v Speaker 1>judge others, but when it comes to their own experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big no no or I overshare. It's either

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<v Speaker 1>or you can never please everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to look at whether we're single or we're

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<v Speaker 2>in partnership as what is my spiritual assignment right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it that I need to grow? I've had times

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<v Speaker 2>where I've chosen, like, I really want to be single

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<v Speaker 2>right now, because, like you, I might have been serial

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<v Speaker 2>dating or am I dependent relationships, or I might not

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to release relationships when I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't right for me. And so I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>a period of time with just me, myself and I

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<v Speaker 2>was what I needed for my own healing and my

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<v Speaker 2>own growth, and then down that I've reached a point

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, okay, you know, I'm ready for an

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<v Speaker 2>other challenge right now and and and right now. For

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<v Speaker 2>me in partnership, it's quite a challenge at times because

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're triggered so much in partnership as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an opportunity for me to look at what the

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<v Speaker 2>mirror is in the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's got chills.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not a right or wrong. It's a very personal

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<v Speaker 2>decision about where is your healing and where is your

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<v Speaker 2>growth and what type of container right now is right

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have said so many important things just now about

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. It's kind of like the triggers, right

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<v Speaker 1>are so important to look at and observe and not react,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's so much easier said than done. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>so you're so you are in a partnership.

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<v Speaker 2>Currently, Yeah, I'm in a partnership.

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<v Speaker 1>It's new, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was after a period where I'd been by

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<v Speaker 2>my own for about a year and a half, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just started feeling a little stagnant. My life

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<v Speaker 2>was I was I was, I was, I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>was making my life quite isolated. I found so partnership

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<v Speaker 2>for me was I was ready for more challenges. I

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<v Speaker 2>was ready for Have I resolved my childhood traumas? Can

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<v Speaker 2>I be foot put in front of the triggers and

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<v Speaker 2>learn to respond and not react, learn to take a

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<v Speaker 2>higher perspective? Can I learn to love and lean in

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<v Speaker 2>when I really just want to hit the eject button

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<v Speaker 2>and run for the hills.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, Oh, okay, so you've done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work on yourself. Would you like to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>and my listeners like your background a little bit, just

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, we know, uh, we just know a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about you, because it's so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean, I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that there's good people are bad people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we're all doing the very best we

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<v Speaker 2>can with our states of consciousness at the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>the environment that I grew up in was not very nurturing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was quite traumatizing, and it really left me

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of limiting beliefs about myself. I fully

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<v Speaker 2>believed that I was not lovable, I would never be enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started as I became a teenager and I

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<v Speaker 2>became an adult, I started making really bad decisions for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I hang out with people that I thought would equate

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<v Speaker 2>to my worth, and that resulted in very abusive relationships

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<v Speaker 2>and just a life of chaos. And I just had

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<v Speaker 2>this moment one day where I just said, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want this, I don't want this anymore, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>just committed myself to education at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>so not just with psychology, but with metaphysics and spirituality,

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<v Speaker 2>really just trying to to learn as much as I

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<v Speaker 2>can from my healing. And then now I spend every

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<v Speaker 2>day helping people, you know, find their way out of

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<v Speaker 2>the darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I can relate big time. And it's beautiful what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing as far as you know, being of service

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so many people who I'm sure also can

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<v Speaker 1>relate to your story in a way. And that feels

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<v Speaker 1>stagnant and stuck. And it's interesting because when you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't feel that right now, just right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can only speak for now right and regardless of time.

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<v Speaker 1>What is time anyway at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But that I felt like that, like in my relationships

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<v Speaker 1>and that feeling of stagnant, I know it very well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was it is something that you can get

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<v Speaker 1>really comfortable in.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, for me, it was very disempowering to be in

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<v Speaker 2>relationships before I really needed to spend time alone and

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<v Speaker 2>just really focus on loving myself. My grandmother was somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that was a beautiful person in my life, and when

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<v Speaker 2>she had transitioned, she had left me her like great

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<v Speaker 2>great grandmother's engagement ring. And so the promise that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>made to myself when I had that aha moment was

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<v Speaker 2>I put it on my finger and I said, from

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<v Speaker 2>now on, I'm going to date you, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>love you. And I look back and it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>transition of how did that girl become this girl? And

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<v Speaker 2>really what it was it was just a decision to

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<v Speaker 2>love me and invest in me every day and then

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<v Speaker 2>slowly but surely you fill up your own cup and

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<v Speaker 2>you just experience the world and people within it in

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<v Speaker 2>a very different way. But it was necessary absolutely for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That takes a lot of self awareness, though, right, So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how does one do that if they they're just not

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<v Speaker 1>self aware? Like you know, I guess it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like do you have to hit rock bottom for that

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<v Speaker 1>to happen? I know it's different for everybody, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I have to take accountability for my sobriety, it's very similar,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I truly believe I'm not grateful for

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<v Speaker 1>the trauma that has happened in my life, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>because of the trauma, I'm able to voice I believe

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<v Speaker 1>this very in an open setting. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>for that, I know, is the reason why that has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I know we're helping people.

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I do actually think we need to hit

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<v Speaker 2>a rock bottom. If I look at my own experiences

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<v Speaker 2>and I look at anyone that's ever come to me

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<v Speaker 2>as a client, no one's ever come to me when

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<v Speaker 2>everything was going great and I can blow up? How

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<v Speaker 2>can I level up? It's always been like, wow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I just realize that I'm the common denominator in all

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<v Speaker 2>of these things that don't feel good. What can I do?

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually haven't seen anyone come to me when

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't been in a place of pain and they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been comfort So I wish I could say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just had like a seed of inspiration and self

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<v Speaker 2>awareness that just blossomed one day, but I haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think you're right. Actually, something has to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to where you're like, okay, I give up, like

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<v Speaker 1>you can. You can't blame anybody else but yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>We surrender, and what's just like okay, okay, what do

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So what happens when you're just not sexually inspired

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<v Speaker 1>or you're no longer motivated? Like, do you do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it important to reach oge like to re energize

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<v Speaker 1>that part of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think our sexual energy is our creative energy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do think that it is essential that we

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<v Speaker 2>invest into ourselves and we cultivate that energy. Now, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to just be in the mood for that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time, but it's the same as

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to have a certain body, I might

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<v Speaker 2>not feel like going to the gym, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>I need to go do those habits in order to

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<v Speaker 2>cultivate the result that I'm looking for. And well that

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<v Speaker 2>sensual energy and sexual energy and creative energy is all

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<v Speaker 2>something that is a lifeline to me and makes me

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<v Speaker 2>feel vibrant and happy and resonate on a higher vibrational level.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I know that I need to take the actions

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<v Speaker 2>and the habits that are going to cultivate that, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really about exploration and a self discovery. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>million death of different methodologies that we can use to

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<v Speaker 2>start to channel our sexual energy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think movement. I'm a dancer, you know, so like

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's just like self awareness with the body,

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<v Speaker 1>even just like it doesn't have to you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the nearest sex store, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it's called. But like, honestly, it's just being in

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<v Speaker 1>tune with your body, like just breathing.

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<v Speaker 2>How about just breathing, stretching even just I mean sensual energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your senses. It's not about your dina, It's about senses.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's any way that you feel like you can

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<v Speaker 2>tune into your senses. You can sit here in the

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<v Speaker 2>room and you can look at where the shadows and

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<v Speaker 2>the light meat. You can smell and see what's the

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<v Speaker 2>most fragrant smell if you can taste. I can take

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<v Speaker 2>coffee on my breath right now, How does this dress

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<v Speaker 2>feel on my body? Right now? It can be just

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<v Speaker 2>having a nice bubble bath with essential oils and giving

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<v Speaker 2>myself that time. It can be putting moisture lotion on.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be stretching, it can be.

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<v Speaker 1>To love self care. This is all the giving back

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<v Speaker 1>because like, you can't do anything if you don't fill

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<v Speaker 1>your cup up. You can't be there for anybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you can, but it's gonna run out, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're gonna be resentful. What you give to others

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<v Speaker 2>has to be what's left over, what's spilling out of

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<v Speaker 2>your cup. You can't give up. It has to spill

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<v Speaker 2>out of your cup.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to partnership and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>self please and have you know, please yourself, is it

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<v Speaker 1>something to be open as far as communication goes, Because

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<v Speaker 1>I have experienced you know, ex partners of mine who

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<v Speaker 1>may have not necessarily loved the idea of me giving

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to myself and have wanted to always be around

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<v Speaker 1>at every time, you know. And obviously I just think

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<v Speaker 1>people analyze things a little too much. And maybe also

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<v Speaker 1>I maybe I did not have to talk to them

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<v Speaker 1>about it, you know what I mean as far as

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<v Speaker 1>that goes, Maybe it's not their business. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me, Well, it really depends what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>relationship that you want to have. Yeah, I think if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is trying to control your pleasure. That's a red flag. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really agree with pornography. I think that there

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<v Speaker 2>can be an issue when we're using external people and

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<v Speaker 2>external stimulus to orgasm and the pleasure. For me, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it should be more about using your imagination and

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<v Speaker 2>tuning into your body and connecting to yourself. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>people feeling insecure and having fear based thoughts if they

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<v Speaker 2>think that, you know, you rather watch porn than be

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and I can see how a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>meanings can be given to that. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>necessary that you say, hey, this morning, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>masturbated and it was so awesome. Of course I think

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<v Speaker 2>we need to share that, but it's also what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of relationship do you want to have with somebody. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's something important to you that you guys are in

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<v Speaker 2>alignment on and that you do share, then yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to share. If it's something that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep as a ritual for yourself, that's fine too. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily tell my partner every time I take a

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<v Speaker 2>bubble bath.

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<v Speaker 1>No, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really I don't think there's a right and

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<v Speaker 2>wrong container. It's really about you knowing where you want

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<v Speaker 2>your relationship to be and then you make that you're

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<v Speaker 2>taking the actions and the habits in order to create

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<v Speaker 2>that for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean I will from

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<v Speaker 1>I mean years ago when I was in a I

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<v Speaker 1>have only been in serious relationships, you know, so and

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<v Speaker 1>plural back to back as you know now. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting because, like when it comes to porn and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, you know, if it happens regularly and

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<v Speaker 1>it's without you, then obviously those feelings of like am

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<v Speaker 1>I enough or not enough come up? And when you

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<v Speaker 1>say like outside pleasure in a wait, are you also

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like sex toys and stuff like that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think sex toys are fine because you're still

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<v Speaker 2>using your imaginary, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not using another person that you're watching another person.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the issue with pornography too is it

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<v Speaker 2>does to stimulate you because there's always people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>push the threshold more and more and more, and peorn

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<v Speaker 2>is performative. It's not real. Sex doesn't look like that,

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<v Speaker 2>so it also just creates really unrealistic expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, it's not healthy, yeah at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think, but like if to each their own, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think when it comes to that, I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe open conversation and being transparent is important because when

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<v Speaker 1>you start to hide it, which I've also experienced, is

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<v Speaker 1>just not that to me is like a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you feel that you need to hide anything,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all a red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>And that Yeah, yeah, you've done a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>on yourself. I really respect that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Likewise, thank you. Let's transition to this article that has

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<v Speaker 1>caused controversy, but I mean what hasn't nowadays. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what being a sleep divorce means. What does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Sleep divorce is when you are sleeping in separate beds,

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I think, with like many things, there's

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<v Speaker 2>pros and cons. Do what I've heard, decisions that you make.

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<v Speaker 2>For some people, it's very practical. It's more common in

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<v Speaker 2>older couples. Snoring is an issue, menopause, different sleep schedules.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is there is an unconscious bonding that

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<v Speaker 2>happens when we're sleeping next to somebody. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>are choosing to sleep in separate beds, be aware that

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<v Speaker 2>that closeness that you're not having does need to be

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<v Speaker 2>substituted and replaced with another type of connection ritual for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I posted something on my Instagram story yesterday about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got so many dms from football yeah saying

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's norms so loud, like there is no choice,

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<v Speaker 1>like I and mind you, this obviously has happened over time,

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<v Speaker 1>like they've obviously started out sleeping together. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a rule that was you know, enforced from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also matters when it comes to your mental health,

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<v Speaker 1>like sleep is so important. But yes, I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe there needs to be a time for intimacy,

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<v Speaker 1>but then there's the pressure of greate, I just gotta

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<v Speaker 1>like have sex with you now. Or it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>about this physical act of sex.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even about it's not even about sex. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just about chitchien. It's about intimacy, I meaning next to somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>There's those small little physical touches, there's the warmth of

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<v Speaker 2>a body next to you, there's the presence, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you do feel avoid when that person's

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<v Speaker 2>not there. But at the same time, if you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>one hour of disruptive sleep and you can't function the

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<v Speaker 2>next day. But you're like, oh, but we sleep in

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<v Speaker 2>bed every night. I mean, what's the trade off here?

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<v Speaker 2>But there's lots of ways around this. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can go to bed at the same time and you

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<v Speaker 2>can just cuddle for an hour. You can wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and you can cuddle for an hour, you can have

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<v Speaker 2>coffee in bed. Like, there's lots of ways that we

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<v Speaker 2>can still put the intimacy. If for your state of

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<v Speaker 2>well being, it just doesn't work to sleep in the

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<v Speaker 2>same bed together. Have you Have you ever slept in

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<v Speaker 2>a separate bed or wanted to with a partner?

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<v Speaker 1>I get hot, but I don't think so. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say me three years ago wouldn't like that because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not where I was in my personal life. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that with that would have come a lot of insecurity

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<v Speaker 1>to be just completely transparent with you, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>felt not as connected, but that had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>my trust issues and stuff like that, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was all also and just maybe just in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it would just escalate and kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>down around So but today I'm totally for it if needed.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people even sleep in bunk beds as long as

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<v Speaker 2>snoring's not the issue. But if it's something that I

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<v Speaker 2>get too hot.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say I have a really weird sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have as like I'm a dancer and my

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<v Speaker 1>creative juices happen at like after midnight. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>remember this bothering my exes at one point where like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't me going to bed before two of the

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<v Speaker 1>morning is hard to do, Like I am a night owl,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that that affected some of my relationships

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, especially if I wasn't dating a dancer, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people work better at night, some people work

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<v Speaker 1>better at mornings, and it's just different for everybody, and

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<v Speaker 1>so that would definitely screw get a little screwy. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's even a question on Tinder nowadays, are

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<v Speaker 2>you an early bird or are you a night owl?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there is a compatibility issue there that means you

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<v Speaker 2>need to talk about it and you need to compromise.

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<v Speaker 2>My partner he has really bad sleep anxiety, and so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time he tries to go to

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<v Speaker 2>bed with me, but he'll just lay there and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>he has to get up and then he falls asleep

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm getting up to start with my sessions in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning and the transition to have because I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>experienced that before. So it took us coming up with

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<v Speaker 2>like our rituals and ways that we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>work around this and creating a compromise and for that

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<v Speaker 2>to work for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mind sharing just quickly as for your last thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he'll lay in bed with me, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like out like a light by eight thirty because

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<v Speaker 2>I wake up super early, so be opposite is you,

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<v Speaker 2>And so he'll lay in bed with me. I'm gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he goes and he does his work. And

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<v Speaker 2>then generally I only worked till noon, so when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>done work, he's actually getting up, so we are not

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<v Speaker 2>really missing important time with each other. But then on

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend when I don't have clients, I stay up

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<v Speaker 2>later and he gets up earlier. So I'll usually book

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<v Speaker 2>us an adventure that we're going on with this in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, and we have something fun plan to do.

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<v Speaker 1>See you guys. There are solutions, It's very specific.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always solutions. It's just a matter of talking it

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<v Speaker 2>out because I mean, the biggest complex that all humans

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<v Speaker 2>have is we think we think the same. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing something different than me, I must be right

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<v Speaker 2>and you must be wrong, and it's where the issues begin.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we can just accept, hey, you're different and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm different. This is a very different thing about us.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do we find a middle ground here? What's

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<v Speaker 2>a fun compromise? It feels good for the both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's try that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make an agreement on that and the communication. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to feel comfortable enough to just communicate this right

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of shame behind it. But thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for all that you do. Seriously, this

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<v Speaker 1>is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for your time, Take care YouTube by bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you doctor Shanna for joining me today. I really

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't given too much thought to the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 1>sleep divorce, so I'm glad we talked about it. Are

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