WEBVTT - Ep 117: Japanese Breakfast 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:02.960 I was thinking about this a lot at the GRAMM News. 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.640 I don't have any industry connections. There are all things 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.880 that I've built of just like being an industrious person. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.360 I guess hello and welcome back to Midnight Chats, a 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:17.120 podcast of informal interviews with musicians that we love, posted 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:22.680 weekly at midnight to suit these rather informal conversations. This 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.000 week's episode is hosted by me Stuart Stubbs, editor of 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.440 Loud and Quiet magazine, and tonight's episode is a conversation 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.720 that I had earlier this year, in April twenty twenty two, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:41.920 with Michelle Zora aka Japanese Breakfast. We spoke just after 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.480 Michelle had been at the Grammys, where she was nominated 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:51.240 for two awards, Best New Artist and Best Alternative Album. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.360 Those took place in Vegas for the first time this year, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.680 but when I spoke to Michelle, she had relocated to 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.800 upstate New York for a bit of downtime before heading 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.080 back to California for Coachella. We speak about both of 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.959 those things, the Grammys, Coachella, and also her album Jubilee, 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.320 which she released last year. Is her third album, and 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.960 as you're hearing me say to Michelle. I think it's 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.120 a record that only gets better with time. I still 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.000 is into it a hell of a lot. And back 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.200 last year when it was released, we put Japanese Breakfast 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.000 on the cover of our magazine Loud and Quiet. I 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.520 have linked to that interview with Michelle in the show 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.399 notes of this podcast. There's also a few other bits 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.560 and pieces down there. What else can I tell you? 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.720 We also talk a little bit about Michelle's memoir, which 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.600 she released at the same time as she released Jubilee. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.160 It is a very personal book. Obviously it's a memoir, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.960 but it's also largely about the death of Michelle's mother, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.720 which is also what her last two albums have focused 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.720 on in one way or another. And that book, Crying 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.320 in h Mart, has now been picked up for a 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.280 movie deal. It's going to be made into a movie. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.800 And the book came about after Michelle had a couple 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.240 of essays published, one in Glamour magazine and then a 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.320 second essay of hers was published in The New Yorker, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.120 and that essentially led to her book deal. If you 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.000 have not heard Michelle's music yet, or the music of 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:36.040 Japanese Breakfast, then Jubilee I think is a perfect starting point. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.040 She has a couple of albums before that, Psychopomp also great, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.360 but for me, Jubilee really is her best work. Yeah, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.160 I have one thing left to sell to you. 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Have you managed to 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.920 decompress from the Grammys last week? 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.839 I think I'm in my final day of decompressing. I 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.880 had to do a couple of college readings right afterwards, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.400 So for that whole week it was a real whirlwind, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.000 Like my entire body needed to recover from the like 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.320 vanity trauma I inflicted upon it. Like I had these 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.880 really long nails that needed to be shaved off, and 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.760 so my nail beds are very thin underneath, and my 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.240 hair was like matted with wax for three days. So 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.760 it was a real physical recovery after the Grammy. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.640 Wow, so it's physical as well as mental. I mean, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.599 how did you how did you find it? Did you like? 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:17.760 How? 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.960 How was your first Grammy experience? 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.120 People kept asking me if I was nervous, and I 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.839 really wasn't. I'm a pretty high strung person, but I 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.720 felt very relaxed at the Grammys because I didn't have. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:31.560 To do anything. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.320 If I had to perform or something, I would have 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.200 been a wreck. But I just had to go there 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.280 and look hot and chat with people, which you know, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.279 I paid people to help me with it essentially, And 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.200 so yeah, I just went in having a good time. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:52.640 I had no expectations. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.160 I had a feeling we were probably gonna lose both Grammys, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.680 but you know, it's it's such a delight to be nominated. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.640 All of my favorite artists have never won Grammys, so 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.520 I feel an incredibly good company as a Grammy loser. Honestly, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.440 I mean, be Yor has lost fifteen nominations, so I'm 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.560 in very good company. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:12.679 She's never won a Grammy. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.960 I don't think she has ever won a Grammy. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.920 I was thinking about it and like, yeah, I think 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.560 she's been nominated like fifteen times. She's probably been in 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.200 the Best Alternative category at least five and has never 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.080 taken one because she doesn't want to play that game, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.880 because why was she you know? So, Yeah, I'm totally 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:36.560 into just being in the conversation and I'm totally okay 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.320 with it, and I just had a really great time. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.000 I went there to just celebrate this. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.920 Album with the team and the label and the band 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.080 and Vegas, and yeah, I had a great time. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:53.200 Your nominations were for Best New Artist and Best Alternative Album, right, Yes, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.000 I mean that's like congratulations, that's like, it's amazing to 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.360 thank you. Did you have many preconceived notions of what 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.160 it was going to be like before you went and 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.040 what was what was it like? How was it different 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.479 to what you thought maybe was in store for you? 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.120 I thought it was gonna be less fun, honestly. I 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.920 heard that like you don't get water or like. 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:23.080 Drink, and that there's no food, and I just thought 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.920 it was gonna be really long and boring. But once 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.480 we got in there, uh, because we were up for 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.320 a major category, we actually got like a little table 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.040 on the floor, so we were like in a. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.960 Really good spot. I was surprised like how close our 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:37.560 table was. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.680 And they had like champagne service, so we at least 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.239 got to have like champagne. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:43.720 And there was water. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.119 Uh, and half of the ceremony is really just performances, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.960 so it got it's really fun and like it's I 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.120 would say, it's like fifty percent major category awards and 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.240 fifty percent just like huge pop performance. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.360 And so I thought it was gonna be. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.720 Like really boring awards all the time, but it felt 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.280 like quite fun just because you get to see these 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.480 like stadium pop bands put on like this huge production 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.200 show back to back to back. You could see Billie Eilish, BTS, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.400 Lady Gaga, justin Bieber, like all these people. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.080 I would never you know, pay like five. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.120 Hundred dollars to go see a show and to be 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.120 able to like watch that back to back and have 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:31.040 these like huge artists actually you know, put on this 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.800 like enormous production was really fun. So I thought it 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.160 was gonna be kind of like a drag once we 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.840 were in the actual award ceremony, but it was. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.280 It was actually really fun to watch. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.959 Did you not even feel nervous as your categories were 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.920 coming out, not in the sense of like, oh, I 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.000 might not win, but I feel like I'd be more 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.080 nervous thinking what if I win and I've now got 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:53.680 I've got to get up there in a second. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.120 I mean, I feel like no one can judge you 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.839 like you win granty. You know. I knew that there 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.319 was just absolutely no way that we were gonna win 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.199 Best New Artists. I knew one hundred percent. I think 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.719 everyone else did that. Olivia Rodrigue was going to take it, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.280 and I think that she deserved it. For Best Alternative, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.120 I thought we had a fighting chance. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.760 But uh, I who thought that one? It was Saint Vincent, 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.680 you know, which is also well deserved. But I thought 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.560 maybe we had a chance. But I didn't feel too nervous. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.640 I was just gonna basically think everyone that helped me 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.760 work on the record, So I don't really I didn't 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.240 really feel like I had to make any kind of 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.440 statement because it's also untelevised, so it's, uh, it's like less. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.520 Pressure, right, Yeah, this was the first year it was untelevised, right, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.480 it normally is. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:42.960 No. I don't know, I don't know. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.040 I don't think it is ever televised, there's always it not. Yeah, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.520 there's a sect. There's one ceremony with a bunch of 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:53.480 other awards that are not as yeah, which includes best Alternative. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:53.880 That's not televisied. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.000 Got yeah, Okay, I don't know. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.760 I've never really paid attention to this compo. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.199 So it's this was but this was? Was this the 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.960 first one that was in Vegas for some reason? But no, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.920 it's normally in LA, but this year was in Vegas 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.760 due to a COVID delay. I think have you been 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.960 to Vegas before then? Or was that your first Vegas trip. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.720 I've been to Vegas a couple of times. My members 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.560 of Vegas I have. I have one. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.600 I went in my childhood with my parents and I 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.160 remember they I actually write about this in my book, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.920 but they left me in the hotel to go gamble 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.840 and I was an only child and I missed them, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.320 and so I cleaned the entire hotel room, hoping that 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.160 when they came back that they would be very proud 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:47.520 of me, not realizing that you know, there's you know, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.840 room service, housekeeping. But yeah, my mom was like a 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.520 real neat freak, and so I thought if I cleaned 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.680 the hotel room, and they came back that they would be. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:03.000 Sad that they looked. And then the other memory I 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.880 have is I played a show one of. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.480 Our first like DIY shows as Japanese Breakfast in like 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:15.040 twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, I booked a show. Shamir 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.360 actually helped me book a show at like a crepe 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.840 restaurant and it was like in a strip mall in 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.800 Las Vegas. There were maybe like ten people there that 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.880 was probably largely there for the crapes, and they kept 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.959 telling us to turn our amps down, and I was like, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.719 if I turned my amp down any quieter, it. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:33.640 Will just be off. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.960 Like it's at like two five, Like if you turn 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.679 it any lower, it just shuts off. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.520 And it was not really conducive to a gig. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.640 But yeah, I've been to I've been to Last Vegas 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.840 a couple of times. I actually was like legally married 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:47.640 in Las Vegas. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.800 So right, okay, yeah there a few times. So the 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.240 so that time when you went and cleaned the hotel room, 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:56.600 I mean, did it work? 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.360 Did your parents They were like embarrassed. I feel like 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:01.440 they've just felt bad. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.920 It was like such a needy only child and like 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.120 they left for like two hours and I couldn't handle it. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.080 Wow, how old were we? How would how old would 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:09.600 you have been them? 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.560 I like eight or something? 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.079 Okay, right, and so when, so when you were there 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.880 this time for Grammy's time? Did you? I mean, do 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.400 you like that? Are you a fan of Vegas as 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.240 a place. I've never been myself, but I've heard all 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.160 the cliches about it being a really fun place to 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:26.560 go for a short period of time. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.160 I hate Las Vegas. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.360 I feel like there are maybe kids from Las Vegas 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.959 that will tell me that I feel. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.480 Now, I feel hesitant to say that I hate Las Vegas. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.880 I hate like the center of Las Vegas or whatever. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.000 I'm sure that there's like a real I don't know, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:49.040 maybe there's like another culture outside of like the downtown, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.480 like Strip or whatever. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:50.960 I mean. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.120 I feel like I would be pissed off if someone said, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.439 like I hate Philadelphia and they were like talking about 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.720 like center city, like just like chain restaurant downtown. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.040 So maybe that's like unfair of me to say about 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.720 Las Vegas. But that type of Las Vegas. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.880 I'm not like a big gambler, and I'm also get 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.360 lost very easily of a really poor sense of direction. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.480 So I was like, honestly so overwhelmed about getting lost 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.520 in the casino that I tried not to leave my room. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.000 Like at one point, I ordered a breakfast room service 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.920 that was like two eggs and like hash browns and 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.960 toasts were like twenty seven dollars, and I ordered room 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.280 service because I was so afraid of leaving the room 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.800 and getting lost that I just. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.680 Stayed my room. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.760 I've never thought it, thought of it as the sort 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.360 of place where you would get lost, but I just 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.640 say I've never been. It's obviously huge. How do you 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.120 find like when you come to like a place like London, Like, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.480 do you tend to get lost everywhere? 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.640 I do. I tend to have like a some kind 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.200 of guardian with me. But I love London. I don't 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.600 feel that way about London at all. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.720 It's just because you know, we're so like your cities 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.360 are so grid like hmmm, because they're built for cars, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.480 you know, Like it's quite easy to be like, Okay, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.839 I'm I'm twenty blocks. I need to go up that way. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:13.679 The numbers are going up. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.920 I need to feel like in London, like I'll be 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.440 okay getting lost because it's so lovely everywhere, and then okay, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.040 don't want biggest if I get lost, It's. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:26.880 Like just hell, so did you after the Grammys? Did 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.560 you go to any of the There must have been 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.360 parties galore in Vegas. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:30.960 I don't know. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:37.080 I mean, I I heard a rumor that Olivia Rodrigo 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.480 was having a party, but there was a cover charge, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.880 so I was like, I'm not going to that. And 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.880 then I didn't really hear about Like Jack Antonov invited 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.920 me to like a small gathering, but I was honestly 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.280 like just so wrecked. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.560 I was like so tired. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.240 I had kind of celebrated the night before and I 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:56.960 was just really hungry and wanted to go to bed. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.320 So I kind of celebrated just like with my band 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:04.840 and my label and team, and I didn't really do much. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.320 Maybe I like ruined my Grammy's experience by doing that, 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.840 but I had a fun time. I didn't really go 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.600 into any after parties. I would like to believe there 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.720 weren't as many because it's in Las Vegas, but maybe 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.920 I'm just like not cool enough to know what they are. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.840 I can't believe I didn't realize some of them charged 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.440 that seems that doesn't seem right. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.000 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they had to like pay 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.680 for Paris Hilton's DJ set. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:34.800 Right. Well, congratulations on Tubilee. It's such a great record, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.400 and I think it just gets better over time the 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.840 more I was listening to it again yesterday ahead of this, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.640 having like hammered it when it came out last year, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.000 and I think it just kind of gets better. Like 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.800 do you how do you feel about it now with 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.440 a little bit of distance from it coming out and 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.440 obviously like the Grammys kind of may maybe makes you 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:55.760 reconnect with it a bit. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.360 Oh, I'm so proud of it, you know. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.360 I mean when you when you make something, I feel 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.720 like you always have this feeling that it's like the 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.760 best thing that you've made. But I really felt that way, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:13.040 and it's really validating to have it be, you know, 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.320 my most successful record. I'm I feel like I'm in 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.560 this new place now where I've just been. It's been 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:26.240 so charmed. This musical project has only gone up and up, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.440 and so I think I'm I'm sort of been in 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.520 this sphere of like when is this plateau gonna come? Like? 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.560 When am I going to make a record that causes 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.840 the Descent, But. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.600 Yeah, I mean, I was just talking to my husband 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.880 about this, about how you know, when you first put 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.600 out a record, you're just so nervous to put on 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.840 the live show, and there's so much pressure because it 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.080 feels like you up into the very moment that you 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.320 go on tour, it's up. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.520 To you to like build it up the way that 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:57.200 it needs to be. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.720 And now that it's been almost a year, it's not 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.080 even almost a year, I guess it's almost a year 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.320 that the record's been out. It feels like I can 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.600 finally just relax and enjoy the album and like. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.960 The show just is what the show is. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.399 You know, We've built this like machine that operates really 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.040 well and I can just go back to hopefully enjoying 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.520 these performances because I was such a ball of nerves 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.960 in the fall hoping that we could. You know, we 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.040 just scaled up so tremendously, Like we scaled up to 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.440 six piece band and we brought on, you know, two 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.160 more crew members, and it just scaled up. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.439 The show is so much And now I feel like 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.560 we've finally. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.040 Risen to the occasion and I can just enjoy myself 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:51.800 again because it was so nerve wracking for the first year, at. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:52.800 Least that's my hope. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.399 But going into Coachella and these big festivals, like, I 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.960 just feel really ready and I'd like to just relax 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.920 and enjoy the ride at this point because last year 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:02.840 was so stressful. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.240 Have you done Coachella before, either as a fan or 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:06.440 as an artist? 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.960 I played as an artist. I think in twenty eighteen. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.320 You're kind of going into that knowing what you're what 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:14.439 you're getting into. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.200 Yeah. I love Coachella. Honestly, I had a blast when 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:18.760 we played there. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.480 I went like years and years. I went in two 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:26.080 thousand and five. It's any time I've been well. Back 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.320 then it was only two days, it was only one weekend, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.600 and it wasn't really a thing. It wasn't really much 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.000 of a big thing. It didn't feel like that. It 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:39.800 was depeche Mode and Tall but in the in the 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.679 day Tool played Yeah, Yeah, Tall and depeche Mode. But 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.280 in the day, like Kanye played. In the day Madonna played. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.359 I think it's her only festival set. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:56.200 Wait, Madonna didn't headline no Mode Madonna. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:57.240 That's crazy. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.880 She played in the middle of the day in ten 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.359 That's wild and for a really short set. She probably 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.520 only played for about twenty minutes in the end because 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:07.600 she was really late coming on. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:08.679 Oh wow. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.760 She didn't seem to have a good time because she 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:11.360 as well, like. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.440 Why am I not headlining? I like my I think 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.359 she is like the highest paid tour before, like touring artist. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.479 Yeah, I can imagine that. Yeah, fully, I think it's 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.360 the only festival she's ever done. I don't think she's 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.080 done one since. I don't think she's done one before 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.840 because she was like, why is tool tool playing above me? 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.840 But it was kind of weird because you know, Madonna 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:34.879 doing a festival set. I was like, well, this is 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.240 just going to be incredible. But she kind of only played, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.159 you know, she only played I'd say maybe six or 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.560 seven songs if I remember correctly, and a lot of 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.320 them were like real deep cuts off of new records. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.680 And then she was like fuck you all, yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.600 and she kind of did it with just to I 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.679 don't think she had a band. I think it was 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.240 to backing. It was almost like she was a special 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.480 secret guest, but she wasn't. She was on the bill 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.000 like she It was kind of weird, but like this 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.000 was cool. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool to 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.840 see it. It was like the tent was rammed and 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.600 it was a thousand degrees in there. It was really uncomfortable. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.880 It was kind of weird. I remember when I got 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.560 to La and I told I met some I saw 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.520 some people, like we bumped into some people and they 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.080 were asking why we were in town, and we said, oh, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.560 we're going to Coachella. They didn't really know what it 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.159 was that. They were like, oh, what is that? They 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.080 thought they thought we were talking about a book festival. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.639 I think that the La Times Book Festival was around 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:38.639 the same. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:39.960 Time, right, and maybe it was that. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.400