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Speaker 1: listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's our

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Speaker 1: two and a Tuesday. Tom Brady's around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. We're live in LA. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like going to the Super Bowl when

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Speaker 1: Fox has it because we travel with a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and the staff's there and we go out for dinner

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot of fun. But I saw somebody

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Speaker 1: said the other day, Megan Rapino said, you know, sports

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Speaker 1: is about inclusion, and I think sports is mostly about competition.

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Speaker 1: If it was inclusion, people wouldn't get cut in high school,

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Speaker 1: college and pro sports, right right. Inclusion's great, but the

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Speaker 1: bottom line of sports is standing's first last cut day.

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Speaker 1: I always think that about the super Bowl. We're trying

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Speaker 1: so hard to get the super Bowl in all these

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Speaker 1: different locations.

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Speaker 2: Put it in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Where in America are you guaranteed to get usually. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know it's snowing in Florida this week, but in

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Speaker 1: my lifetime, where is the weather good in February?

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Speaker 2: It's not California.

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Speaker 1: LA's second, Arizona's kind of second ish Miami. I am

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Speaker 1: for super Bowls in one place, Santa Clara. Nobody in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco for goes. What do you want to do

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Speaker 1: to have lunch today? Where you want to go? Santa Clara.

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Speaker 3: To me?

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 1: Like the Grammys are held in one spot, Marty Grass

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Speaker 1: held in one space. They dropped the ball in Times Square.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we have to move super Bowls to multiple locations?

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Speaker 4: You know these owners they want they want the action

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Speaker 4: in their hometown.

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Speaker 1: I went to a super Bowl in Jacksonville. Nothing against

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Speaker 1: jackson One hotel. They had to bring in cruise ships

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Speaker 1: for rooms. They had such a shortage of taxis in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: These are great people. They tried so hard. They had

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Speaker 1: such a shortage on taxis. I was with a producer, Chad,

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Speaker 1: You sat in Valet waiting for it. That there was

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Speaker 1: no uber back then, there was no uber Lyft taxis

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Speaker 1: were it And they were calling on local citizens to help.

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Speaker 2: At one point.

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Speaker 1: A van pulls up and he opens the back door

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Speaker 1: and there was like a surgeon gloves and rope, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's Buffalo Bill.

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Speaker 2: Silence of the lambs, Like I can't get in the van.

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Speaker 1: Like Jacksonville's a great town, should not host super Bowls, right,

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Speaker 1: Like in Santa Clara. Nothing against Santa Clara, but it's

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Speaker 1: like nobody in San Francisco goes there for lunch. Miami

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Speaker 1: is such a great place for the beach. It's international,

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Speaker 1: it's fun, it's an NFL city.

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Speaker 2: The weather's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's places to hang out for you know, and

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Speaker 1: just enough places for players to get into trouble. Hot

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the Super Bowl in Detroit?

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Speaker 5: It snowed significantly, like two thousand and five ish.

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Speaker 4: All the parties had to be indoors.

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Speaker 2: And Michigan's amazing and Detroit's great.

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Speaker 1: They've read don in Downers not yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's what it is. So we were talking about Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel and so Robert Craft didn't get into the Hall

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Speaker 1: Jones in and Robert Craft is not in? He's got

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Speaker 1: eleven Super Bowls. The New England Patriots had the worst

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Speaker 1: record in the NFL the previous five years to Robert

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Speaker 1: Craft owning them. Since he's owned them, they have the

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Mike Vrabel was sort of asked about the Patriot job.

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Speaker 2: And remember he was the hot coach on the market.

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Speaker 3: You were the.

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Speaker 6: Hottest name on the coaching cycle this time around.

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Speaker 3: Presumably you had your pick of job.

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Speaker 6: So personally professionally, what really separated this choice among the others.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that the ability to have open dialogue

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Speaker 7: Obviously, what I believe and what everybody else believes is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said open dialogue with the owner. Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: like he said, you're not getting rid of Brady, We'll

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Speaker 1: move off Jimmy Garoppolo. That was the one time Robert

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Speaker 1: was not the future. Tom won another Super Bowl. Tom

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Speaker 1: on coaches. It's just I remember when the Chargers had

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Speaker 1: an opening and I and I know Dean Spanos because

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Speaker 1: he's told me this a couple different times occasionally listens

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Speaker 1: to our show. And I was literally sending a direct

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Speaker 1: Jim harr Ba, pay for him. They'd gone, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: months later. He's like, it's better than I thought.

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Speaker 2: There are so.

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Speaker 1: Many unintended or unknown benefits to hiring a Vrabel and

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Speaker 1: a paytent or you know, a John Harbaugh now with

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Speaker 1: years on stuff you didn't even understand. So here was

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer yesterday on sort of Mike Rabel's path to

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Speaker 7: What he's evolved into is the total package as a

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Speaker 7: head coach. Leadership relationships, scheme, game management, roster building. I

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Speaker 7: just think when you're talking about the totality of what

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Speaker 7: a head coach is, Mike Rabel checks every single box.

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Speaker 7: I just think Mike has grown in to becoming the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Most ex players, you know a lot of guys who

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Speaker 1: there's an argument Vrabel is the best ex player that's

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Speaker 1: some renown that you know now, Mike Ditka qualifies I

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Speaker 2: I think Vrabel Soup to nuts is.

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Speaker 1: Kind of manages the whole component of coach better than

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Speaker 1: Ditka did. I think he's just I just you know,

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Speaker 1: said this before, I think the Patriots are underrated. Very

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Speaker 1: rarely does a team get to a super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: they're underrated. But because the Patriots lost to the Steelers

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Speaker 1: when they kept losing early, and I've got it on tape.

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Speaker 1: I kept saying, folks, do not judge the Patriots in September.

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Speaker 1: Between free agency and the draft, They've got like twelve

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Speaker 1: new starters. You got to give this team to late October.

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Speaker 2: And I said it. That's why I've said.

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Speaker 1: Most of the year when the Patriots were winning, you

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Speaker 1: got to forget the Steelers loss, and you got to

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Speaker 1: forget the Raiders' loss. Okay, no, starters do not plan

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Speaker 1: in preseason free agents draft picks. This team will be

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Speaker 1: fully baked by Thanksgiving and they are and with that

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady he is joining us now Live. Seven times

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Speaker 1: super Bowl champ. So you were known for preparation.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Things you were known for, but more than any thing,

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Speaker 1: almost a healthy obsession, right, most successful being locked a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit, we're unhealthy obsession.

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Speaker 2: One of those two.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be diplomatic, but I would say this,

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh admitted after losing to the Belichick.

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Speaker 2: He said, I over prepared. The game got into my head.

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Speaker 1: Is there a danger for like a Drake may or

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Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold figured, I mean, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: locked and all of a sudden, it's paralysis by analysis.

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Speaker 1: You went to so many that you could judge them

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Speaker 8: First of all, I'm gonna apologize for the drill that's

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Speaker 8: They're literally doing I don't know, redoing the kitchen or something.

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Speaker 8: I'm trying to figure this out, and you know, I

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Speaker 8: think being over prepared, and at least in my opinion,

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Speaker 8: I wasn't the type of player that could ever feel

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Speaker 8: like I was over prepared. The more information I got,

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Speaker 8: the better. Loved having two weeks to prepare for this

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl game. Over a period of time, it just

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Speaker 8: got more important for me to double down on all

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Speaker 8: And the more you were to give me, the more

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Speaker 8: I will say some players don't do great with that.

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Speaker 3: So some players are option.

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Speaker 8: Some players they just want to know what they need

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Speaker 8: to know and then they want to go out there

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Speaker 3: I totally understand that.

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Speaker 8: I think a guy like ray lewis, a guy like

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Speaker 8: Ed Reid, they wanted as much information as they could get.

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Speaker 8: That would be their way of preparing and feeling like

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Speaker 8: I have all the answers to the test. Now I

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Speaker 8: could there be a danger and over preparing? Maybe overthinking,

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Speaker 8: but not over preparing. I mean, you got two weeks

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Speaker 8: to prepare this game. You're going to remember for the

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Speaker 8: rest of your life. That's the best part about this

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Speaker 3: You feel like you.

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Speaker 8: Give your team the best chance of succeeding, which means

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Speaker 8: you have to prepare as if this is the only

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Speaker 8: thing that's going on in your life, which to the

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Speaker 8: reality is that's all that should be going on in

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Speaker 2: So this is a different way of asking this question.

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Speaker 1: Is that you know, you look at a lot of

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Speaker 1: film and there you have a pretty good understanding all

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Speaker 1: your years in the league. Man, we don't match up

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Speaker 1: know you kind of know going into games. Did you

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Speaker 8: I have a feeling you're referring to the two thousand

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Speaker 8: I thought, you're bringing up my worst football memory. I mean,

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Speaker 8: And honestly, when I do my games for Fox, a

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Speaker 3: To get it right. In football, you got one chance

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Speaker 8: You could have an off day or we're up there

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Speaker 1: So you had a line about us Donald, and I

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Speaker 8: just that's how you have to develop a style of

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Speaker 8: against the defense that I'm seeing? That's the judgment the

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Speaker 3: Let's run it.

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Speaker 8: That's how you continue to take growth as a quarterback

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Speaker 1: So when you went into these Super Bowls, a majority

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Speaker 2: What was it like?

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Speaker 8: I mean, there was some of the coolest things I

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Speaker 3: So why have three hundred calls on the call sheet?

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Speaker 8: Why don't you try to just thin it out to

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Speaker 8: Twenty fourteen, We're playing the Seahawks in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 8: Between at ten and eleven o'clock at night, we walked

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Speaker 8: Yeah, guys, these are the plays. We're going to add

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Speaker 3: It's a very challenging style.

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Speaker 1: Coaches will deny it publicly, but how much do you

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Speaker 8: He's probably got every bit of underdog material up everywhere.

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Speaker 8: We were fourteen point underdogs in two thousand and one

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Speaker 8: an incredible season. I think what they've done is surprised everybody.

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Speaker 8: It's so many guys that have come together, coaches, players

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Speaker 8: that are new, great communication, great toughness. They played in

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Speaker 8: a lot of tough environments, and you know, they certainly

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Speaker 8: deserve to be representing the AFC. You know in this

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl, it's it's going to be a great game.

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Speaker 8: These teams are have played so well all season long.

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Speaker 8: They've been clutched, they played good defense, they played good offense.

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Speaker 3: They've explosive plays, surgical plays. They run the ball, they've

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Speaker 3: got explosive runs. They've really found a lot of different

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Speaker 3: ways to win. And that's why that's why they're playing

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Speaker 3: in this game.

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Speaker 1: So you you know, you always get asked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the last week about Belichick, but I defended Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: this morning, and I said, the Patriots have the worst

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Speaker 1: record in the league for five years before Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: owned them, from the day Heat bought them until today

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Speaker 1: they have the winningest record. And I said, wow, And

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Speaker 1: I said, go to the Yankees with George Steinbrenner thirty

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Speaker 1: seven years, won seven titles, had twenty three different managers,

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Speaker 1: sometimes Billy Martin for a third fourth time, different gms

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Speaker 1: and players.

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Speaker 2: I said, we don't like to.

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Speaker 1: Admit because owners are billionaires and they've got their own

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Speaker 1: plane and the quarterback, the coach, the coordinator. I said,

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Speaker 1: but most business people I know, I work at Fox.

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Speaker 1: Most of us make seven to ten decisions a day,

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Speaker 1: and the smarter people make the right one ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of the time. And so I said, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be outraged by Bill, and Bill will get in,

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Speaker 1: then you should be equally outraged that Robert Kraft, who

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Speaker 1: has more Super Bowls then the rest of the AFC East,

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Speaker 1: the AFC South, and the AFC North combined. You don't understand,

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Speaker 1: I mean Washington changed owners Tom twenty four years, embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: The next year they're in the NFC championship. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe in coincidence. So I want to just address

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Speaker 1: the craft part of this and that he was not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a medaler. But I don't believe it's a zany

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Speaker 1: happenstance that you guys literally coaching hires, draft development.

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Speaker 2: Trades in season.

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Speaker 1: Could you give me a sense, I know you were close,

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Speaker 1: are close with Robert Kraft.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think fans just think it's all players and coaches.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's the same crappy teams drafting at

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Speaker 1: the top every year.

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Speaker 2: It's the owner. It's not the coaches, just your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the just.

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Speaker 8: A great point that you make, and it always starts

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Speaker 8: at the top and the leadership, the figurehead or of

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Speaker 8: the organization is for the Patriots RKK, and it's you know,

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Speaker 8: being there for twenty years with him and watching the

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Speaker 8: nuances of that ownership role was something for me to

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Speaker 8: learn a lot from how he managed different personalities, how

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Speaker 8: he could fill in the gaps when he saw them

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Speaker 8: and where he saw them. He just did the most

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Speaker 8: unbelievable job. And it's seeing at firsthand of being a

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Speaker 8: part of it, recognizing the importance of that role in

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Speaker 8: a football organization. I believe that the owner is the

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Speaker 8: chief accountability officer, and you know, you hold everyone to

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Speaker 8: a standard and you expect everyone to live up to

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Speaker 8: that and believing when the owners sitting in their team

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Speaker 8: meeting room, the players are sitting up a lot straighter.

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Speaker 8: The head coaches message is directed a lot more intently.

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Speaker 8: And RKK his office was at the stadium. He would

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Speaker 8: sit in there in team meeting rooms. He would be

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Speaker 8: out there on the practice field. He would be there

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Speaker 8: at every road game, shaking people's hands as they walked

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Speaker 8: off the field. There's an importance of football that that

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Speaker 8: in Patriot Football that RKK.

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Speaker 3: Does not take lightly.

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Speaker 8: And not only that, look at the contributions that he's

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Speaker 8: made to the league, to the NFL in general, to

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Speaker 8: negotiate media rights deals.

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Speaker 3: This is the most popular sport in America.

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Speaker 8: It's you know, the thousands of hours that he's spent

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Speaker 8: bringing this game to life for the fans.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't go unnoticed.

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Speaker 8: Certainly, now that I'm in TV, I understand the amount

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Speaker 8: of work it takes for Fox to actually broadcast the game.

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Speaker 8: The partnership that Fox and its partners have with the

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Speaker 8: NFL it's extremely important that working relationship is so critical

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Speaker 8: to this game being you know, spread throughout our entire

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Speaker 8: country and bringing a lot of joy.

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Speaker 3: To people's lies.

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Speaker 8: So to me, it's not a matter just like Bill,

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Speaker 8: of if they're going to get in, it's when they're

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Speaker 8: going to get in, right. They're tremendous at what they've

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Speaker 8: done in the league, and maybe it's not trending so

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Speaker 8: well for ex patriots. Maybe I should be a little

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Speaker 8: concerns here, but you know, I think at some point

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Speaker 8: this thing is going to go in everybody's direction the

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Speaker 8: right way.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's It's what's interesting I want to cap it with

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Speaker 1: this is is that you know, Bill could come off

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Speaker 1: as very hardened because Bill is that that is his personality.

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Speaker 1: And do you think it hurt him for that twenty

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Speaker 1: four to forty eight hours when he didn't get in

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Speaker 1: just what you know of Bill.

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Speaker 8: I actually think in some ways it rallied a lot

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Speaker 8: of people who played for Bill and made sure they

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Speaker 8: reached out to him to express, you know, how much

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Speaker 8: they appreciated him, which I'm sure felt good for Bill.

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Speaker 3: And I said before, it.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't look we all want everything in life to happen

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Speaker 8: on our time frame and our time schedule. We want

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Speaker 8: everything to go when we wanted to go, but the

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Speaker 8: reality is that's not life. I actually think it's going

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Speaker 8: to work in his favor when he does get in,

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Speaker 8: because there's going to be a lot of people that

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Speaker 8: realize the impact that he made on their life as

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Speaker 8: a coach, as a player, and they're going to be

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Speaker 8: there to celebrate him. And this was another opportunity for

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Speaker 8: everybody to reach out to him and tell him how

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Speaker 8: much they appreciate him, even though he didn't get exactly

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Speaker 8: what he probably deserved here the first time around.

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, well I didn't hear the construction according

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Speaker 1: to you, it's it's quite a job video.

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Speaker 2: I can't hear it.

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Speaker 3: Geez all right, good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, seniors though, is Tom see my brother?

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Speaker 3: Take care. I'll see you this, you know. Okay, bye, guys,

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Speaker 3: Bye bye. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I said this about craft, is that

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Speaker 1: the Roger Goodell picks an owner. My understanding, he picks

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Speaker 1: an owner, a singular owner to negotiate with the networks

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Speaker 1: Fox and you know and and all these networks. My

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Speaker 1: understanding it was Robert Kraft if the commissioner has thirty

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Speaker 1: two billionaires that he can pick, and he picks Kraft,

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Speaker 1: It is obviously the first Super Bowl for not only

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, but Drake may and I had Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: on for about twenty five minutes and one of the

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Speaker 1: things I asked him is, you know, it's one thing, Tom,

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Speaker 1: when you've been to your second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth

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Speaker 1: don't get back. Is there a danger in over preparing,

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Speaker 1: analysis by paralysis for a young quarterback getting to his

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Speaker 8: The more you were to give me, the more I

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Speaker 8: could handle. I love that part of the preparation. You know,

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Speaker 8: I will say some players don't do great with that.

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Speaker 8: I think a guy like ray Lewis, a guy like

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Speaker 8: Ed Reid. They wanted as much information as they could get.

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Speaker 8: That would be their way of preparing and feeling like

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Speaker 8: I have all the answers to the test. Now I

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Speaker 8: could there be a danger and over preparing maybe overthinking,

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Speaker 8: but not over preparing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting kind of the narrative out there. This isn't

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Speaker 1: a great super Bowl, and I honestly think it's the

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Speaker 1: same team. Seattle is a better version of New England.

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Speaker 1: They're both athletic, big quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: That move well.

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Speaker 1: One's got a little more experience. Both offensive lines are

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Speaker 1: kind of the weakness of the team. I think Seattle's

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Speaker 1: Both defenses are excellent. I would say both secondaries outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Two defensive coaches both blew out nine teams. I think

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Speaker 1: Seattle is a slightly better version of New England. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great matchup. And there's a reason

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Speaker 1: they're a four, four and a half potentially five point favorite.

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Speaker 1: But weakness, strength, coaches, quarterbacks, it's I feel like strong

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Speaker 1: run games with both. I think it's great matchup. I

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Speaker 1: think Seattle is just a slightly better version of.

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Speaker 2: New England and Alliance the Hurt.

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward, four time Pro Bowl defensive tackle, one of

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Speaker 5: Let's start with the La Rams offensive coordinator. It's an

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Speaker 5: open spot. It's a really good job. Obviously, working under

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Speaker 5: the McVeigh tree sets you up for success.

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Speaker 4: Michael Floor has moved on to the Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: One of the big names is someone will get to

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Speaker 5: in a second. But here's what McVeigh said about an

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Speaker 5: internal candidate.

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Speaker 10: I did think that this was something that could occur,

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Speaker 10: you know, so we've got great candidates in house, you

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Speaker 10: know you obviously just based on the rules and I.

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Speaker 2: Think what is the appropriate thing.

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Speaker 10: You know, you're going to do an extensive search to

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Speaker 10: really just dive into, you know, what's going to be

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Speaker 10: the best way.

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Speaker 4: To bring in new people.

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Speaker 10: And we've had a lot of reps at it for

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Speaker 10: a lot of the right reasons. But I am excited

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Speaker 10: about diving in.

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Speaker 2: And it never fails.

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Speaker 10: Every time me and my wife go on vacation, somebody's

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Speaker 10: usually getting a head job and then I'm spending too

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Speaker 10: much time on my phone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you and I know the feeling anytime you're on

662
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: thinking well.

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Speaker 1: Now, people will say Colin, you don't like in house candidates.

664
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Speaker 1: I don't mind them when the offensive coach is the offense,

665
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: like if Shanahan loses a coordinator and goes in house,

666
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: or you know, Kevin O'Connell, Dan Campbell not a scheme

667
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: guy needs to get the best replacement for Ben Johnson.

668
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: There are offensive guys in this league. I don't worry

669
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: too much about.

670
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 5: Look at this coaching tree on the screen. This is

671
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 5: ridiculous working under McVeigh. Zach Taylor, who's with the Bengals.

672
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 5: We don't think he's great, but whatever, Liam Cohen gets

673
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 5: to the playoffs in year one in Jacksonville, Kevin O'Connell

674
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: one of the sharp young minds, and of course Matt

675
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 5: Lafleur in Green Bay.

676
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen gets overlooked. Look what Liam Cohen did in

677
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Speaker 1: a year they won thirteen games.

678
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Speaker 2: Not only that, but Trevor Lawrence. People were out on him.

679
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: Look at MVP candidate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it says like Liam Cohen gets lost

681
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Speaker 1: because Jacksonville. You know, it's that college country. Jacksonville was

682
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Speaker 1: a mess. I mean, I love Trevor Lawrence. I was

683
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Speaker 1: kind of du no, I was not he sells stock

684
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Speaker 1: too early.

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Speaker 2: You love to bail. I'm a d Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Basically the guy to watch here is Nate Shieldhouse. He

687
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: interviewed with the Browns and a bunch of other jobs.

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00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: He seems like the odds on favorite to be the

689
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Speaker 5: next O C with the Rams.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's move on to ooh.

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Speaker 5: This is spicy. We haven't talked about your guy, Aaron

692
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Speaker 5: Rodgers lately. Always something with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: So Mike McCarthy gets the job in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: He's installing his new staff, and he's expected to bring

696
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Speaker 5: on a gentleman by the name of Frank Signetti Junior

697
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Speaker 5: as an offensive advisor.

698
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Speaker 4: Kurt Signetti's brother. Okay, here's the interesting thing.

699
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Speaker 5: Okay, Frank has a negative history with Aaron Rodgers dating

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Speaker 5: back to their time with McCarthy in Green Bay. According

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Speaker 5: to a report, Rogers in twenty eighteen was upset that

702
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 5: the Packers did not renew Alex Van Pelt as the

703
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: quarterback coach and they went with Signetti. Rodgers was allegedly

704
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 5: so ticked off he refused to speak to Sing and

705
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 5: the two had to communicate through backup quarterback Tim Doyle.

706
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: I know you love Rogers. I know some level of

707
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: petty to not talk to your quarterback coach.

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Speaker 1: Listen, we all know the game with Aaron like it's

709
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: it's no, it's it's a I mean, we just know.

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00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I know two guys in the Packer locker

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00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: room that played with Aaron and they both have said

712
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: the basically the same thing. Aaron depends on the day.

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00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes good Aaron, sometimes moody Aaron. It is what it is.

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Speaker 5: That's not a guy that. By the way, we haven't

715
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Speaker 5: even talked about this. Rogers is probably done right.

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Speaker 4: There was no victory.

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00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: Tour, no like, hey, here's a rocking chair present or

718
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 5: is that just an NBA thing?

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00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: But like, I mean, ask yourself this. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy knows about Aaron and Frank Signetti? Course, well,

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00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: then why would he hire it?

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Speaker 4: Or yeah, I think Will Howard's gonna be their guy,

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Speaker 4: You and I.

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Speaker 1: Would Yes, I mean I think the hiring tells you

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00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy. This is a very intentional higher by

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy.

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 5: So you know, there's a big actions versus words thing.

728
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 5: A lot of young people will learn this. They'll give

729
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: you lip service and say all the right things, but

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Speaker 5: the actions speak louder Colin.

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Speaker 4: They're saying we're not rebuilding.

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Speaker 5: They say that in Pittsburgh if they go with Will Howard,

733
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Speaker 5: is that a rebuild to you? I mean, I'm gonna

734
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Speaker 5: wait to see the free agent moves, but this is

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00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 5: a quiet rebuild in Pittsburgh. McCarthy, I'm sure was given guarantees, Hey,

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Speaker 5: take your time.

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00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: You never have more leverage. Two times a coach has

738
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: leverage in the NFL after a super Bowl and first

739
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: year with a team. McCarthy has real leverage here. They

740
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: are disappointed in Pittsburgh, so Mike can can push the

741
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: discomfort to a little higher degree. If Mike goes seven

742
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: and ten, you lose the leverage. Mike has staff leverage here,

743
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: and I think what he's doing. What have his two

744
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: hires been, Frank Signetti senior and the O line coach.

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I love that the news out of Pittsburgh is offensive improvement.

746
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: So I think McCarthy is putting his stamp. You have listen.

747
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't care who you could be. Brian Callahan. Your

748
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: first year in Tennessee, you're the guy everybody follows up.

749
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: Everybody you know, they.

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00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: Follow behind you. They want to lead, they want to

751
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: be behind you over the hill. So McCarthy is making

752
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: his tweaks. What's your thing of signals?

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Speaker 2: The end of Aaron.

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 5: By the way, Aaron Rodgers fun fact final pass in

756
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 5: the NFL was a pick six against the Houston Texans.

757
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 5: Remember that in the playoff game to a pick six

758
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: and then he was like it's over, They're down thirty

759
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 5: to nine or whatever, and then he went to the bench.

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00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 5: Fun way to end his career. I just had to

761
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: get that in my final story. Let's go to Denver

762
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 5: Colin Denver Broncos obviously lost the AFC Championship game. This

763
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: is kind of fascinating. I did not realize this. We

764
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 5: know they moved off o C Joe Lombardi. Yeah right,

765
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Speaker 5: and they're gonna promote Davis Webb to be the new

766
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Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. Davis Webb the hot young name out there.

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Speaker 5: Did you know Joe Lombardi had been with Sean Payton

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Speaker 5: for fifteen months?

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Speaker 2: He was his guy. He was with him in New

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Speaker 2: Orleans for years.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen years, and he moved off him just to keep

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Speaker 4: Davis Webb.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is stunning too. Well, Web is the fifteen years.

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Say listen, what do you have to stay with people.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you do, but moving off just

776
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: because Davis Webb is geting some nibbles out there in

777
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: the market, you're gonna move off your guy at fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen years is a long time, bro, Come on.

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00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: See I look at it the opposite, Fifteen years is

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Speaker 1: a long time to be with Joel Lombardi. Okay, Joel

781
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: Lombardi should be Hey, I made a lot of money

782
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton.

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00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: You don't get. You don't get.

784
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: Just got you Anantcy championship game. Why are you trying

785
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: to tell me something else? Thirty years together?

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: You know what say?

787
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: You look at it like, where's the loyalty? And my

788
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: my take is a fifteen year relationship coach coordinator, a

789
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: lot of success, lots of siss fourth down gets.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Joe Lombardi had that fourth down call, so

791
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: on Peyton, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Joe Lombardi is fully aware of Sean Payton's personality,

793
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Speaker 1: and I think one of his quotes was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Sean was just got into the mood. He wanted something new.

795
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: And I think when you coach with Sean Payton, he's

796
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Speaker 1: very emotional and he wears his emotions, leads with his

797
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: chin and I think you just you realize that.

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Speaker 4: Wells, I'm gonna monitor this next year.

799
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Speaker 5: See how Davis Webb, the immortal Davis web he had

800
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Speaker 5: such a great NFL quarterback, Well you don't.

801
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Speaker 4: We'll see I know nothing about the guy.

802
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: We'll see then maybe not take shots at Well, I'm

803
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Speaker 1: just that's a reality.

804
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: He did not have a great NFL career.

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00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, he saves as a player.

806
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many great players are great coaches. I would

807
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: argue being a serviceable, rotational player where you had to

808
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: do all the little things right to get on the field.

809
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: It's like in baseball, a lot of like managers are catchers.

810
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Why they wear the It's the hardest position to play.

811
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: You see the entire game, you call the game. It's

812
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: an intellectual position where you don't have to be the

813
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: twitchiest or this or that. You basically have to be

814
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: one of the smart guys playing and dealing with the

815
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: emotions of a very emotional pitcher.

816
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, the backup quarterback is going to be a good

817
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: coach because you know what, You've got to be.

818
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Smart and now them to say the career backup Kevin

819
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: O'Connell's a good coach.

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00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: I mean the stars, they make a lot of money.

821
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 5: They were grinding. They don't need to What are they.

822
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: Returning for they're not coaching.

823
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: Why would you want to coach after you made a

824
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 5: lot of money as a starter for ten years?

825
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Brutal no J Mack with a news.

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Speaker 9: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the last.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Davis Webb to think I'm out where.

828
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: This show's out here taking shots. Is that Davis Webb

829
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: played and Davis web now getting a coaching opportunity, And

830
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I root for all these young like former players that coach.

831
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Speaker 2: I think is a cool thing because it's.

832
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Really really hard and a lot of them made money,

833
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: so they don't necessarily need the job, and you have

834
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: to sacrifice time with your family. So like players that

835
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: go to coaching like tip of the cap, like it's hard,

836
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: and they know how hard coaching is because they they're

837
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: in these rooms with these coaches who have baggy eyes

838
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: and put on weight and live on coffee.

839
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Speaker 2: So interesting.

840
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Speaker 5: He's been with the Broncos since twenty twenty three. He

841
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: had he threw forty NFL passes in his career, he

842
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: was in the league third round pick. Interestingly six'. Five you,

843
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: know looks the part we'll. SEE i mean, again you

844
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 5: go to THE Afc. Championship you're on the doorstep of

845
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 5: The Super. BOWL i, mean if Bo nix plays in that, Game,

846
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 5: colin they, might they probably win that they're at, home

847
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 5: and then and then you move it Off.

848
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Speaker 1: Lombardi, WELL i, mean wasn't it interesting when Bow knicks

849
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: was listed as Out the line shifted like way more

850
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: than you, know people always like Bow nix's.

851
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: You, know maybe he's worth a couple of. Points the

852
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: line dramatically.

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00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Shifted, Yeah vegas told you, no Bo nick's a good,

854
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Speaker 1: player solid above.

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Speaker 2: Solid Snob rock Party jinosa is not.

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Speaker 1: Solid come, on, Okay Cam, Hayward Jordan palmer around the

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Speaker 1: corner on A, Tuesday ive Been Los.

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Speaker 2: Angeles It's lavert